Bloom in pledge to fans

Tony Bloom speaking at last night's forum. Picture by Tony Wood

Tony Bloom speaking at last night's forum. Picture by Tony Wood

First published in Sport by , Chief sports reporter

Albion chairman Tony Bloom has reassured supporters they will be happy with the squad by the end of the transfer window.

He made the pledge to fans last night following reports in the North-East that the Seagulls have lost out to Middlesbrough in their pursuit of Huddersfield midfielder Adam Clayton.

Bloom, speaking at a fans’ forum at the Amex, said: “We have brought in some players and by the end of the transfer window by the end of August we’ll have brought in a few more.

“We’ve got our main targets. It’s been a bit frustrating, we’d have liked to have brought one or two more in before the start of the season but the transfer window is the end of August and the season starts three or four weeks before that, so in an ideal world the transfer window would finish and the season would start.

“It doesn’t work like that. We could have brought in three or four players by now. They wouldn’t be the main ones we want. It’s a 46-game season and from our perspective we want to make sure we get the best players in at the best possible price we can within our budget, so I’m very confident by the end of August we will have a very good squad.

“Right now we are a few players light but that will be rectified at the right time. It’s not that easy to get in the players we want but I’m very confident by the end of August everyone will be happy with our squad.”

Albion have so far signed Congolese midfielder Nzuzi Toko from Swiss club Grasshopper Zurich, former Fulham goalkeeper David Stockdale, his ex-Fulham team-mate and centre-half Aaron Hughes and striker Chris O’Grady from Barnsley.

Clayton has been a target since January, when Albion had a £1 million bid rejected by Huddersfield.

The Seagulls stepped up their interest in the Leeds-born 25-year-old following the £8 million sale of marksman Leo Ulloa to Leicester but Clayton appears to have been captured by Boro for a £1.5 million fee rising to a potential £2 million.

He was not involved in Huddersfield’s home friendly against Newcastle last night which, according to a source in Yorkshire, was due to be attended by Albion’s recruitment manager.

Albion boss Sami Hyypia, speaking about the club’s recruitment drive, said: “I don’t have a lot of experience on this side of the business. How you recruit new players is quite a new thing for me and I’ve seen how difficult it is.

“Every manager wants the best possible squad to work with to get success. I’m an ambitious guy and I would like to have Messi and Ronaldo and those kind of players in the squad but that’s not always possible.

“We have our targets and sometimes it takes time to get the right players in. We don’t want to sign players that are average. I’d like to have targets that strengthen the squad.

“In an ideal world we would have the squad already in place before the first game of the season. In this league you can’t afford to give an advantage to the opposition, that your squad is not ready when others have the squad ready, but the situation is like the chairman said, we are working very hard to get the players in who we think witll strengthen the squad.”

Last season’s left-back loan signing Stephen Ward, another persistent target for Albion, played with other Wolves outcasts and under 21s in a friendly against Chester last night.

Wolves manager Kenny Jackett said earlier: “Nothing has developed at all. He has been with us getting fit, getting match fit, which he needs to be for his next challenge.

“He is a good professional. He had a good year last year, playing regularly at left-back in a side who got in the play offs. But we’re not close to anything and as far as I’m aware Brighton haven’t been in touch.”

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5:19am Wed 6 Aug 14

Believe the Hyypia says...

If you know who your 'main' targets are, and you don't want average players... go out and get them! We've got the stadium - PL worthy, and one of the best training facilities in the country players should be excited about the prospect of joining albion. I appreciate the need to keep things quiet... but I'm just hoping that we have been making substantial moves behind the scene to recruit players that support Sami's system.
If you know who your 'main' targets are, and you don't want average players... go out and get them! We've got the stadium - PL worthy, and one of the best training facilities in the country players should be excited about the prospect of joining albion. I appreciate the need to keep things quiet... but I'm just hoping that we have been making substantial moves behind the scene to recruit players that support Sami's system. Believe the Hyypia
  • Score: 2

5:29am Wed 6 Aug 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

To summarise the meeting...
We, the suits, know what we are doing, you - our customers - just keep paying the money. No-one can be criticised because you don't understand how wonderful we all are.
It's a shame the oft criticised DoF wasn't there but if we are to believe everything we hear he has been on the 'phone non-stop since he got out of bed this and every morning, negotiating with agents, chairmen and players. If he were judged on results he shouldn't be doing it for much longer.
Oh well, I suppose it'll be alright on the night... It's Saturday afternoon I'm more concerned with at the moment, and the next - and the next... In the meantime fingers crossed and UTA...
To summarise the meeting... We, the suits, know what we are doing, you - our customers - just keep paying the money. No-one can be criticised because you don't understand how wonderful we all are. It's a shame the oft criticised DoF wasn't there but if we are to believe everything we hear he has been on the 'phone non-stop since he got out of bed this and every morning, negotiating with agents, chairmen and players. If he were judged on results he shouldn't be doing it for much longer. Oh well, I suppose it'll be alright on the night... It's Saturday afternoon I'm more concerned with at the moment, and the next - and the next... In the meantime fingers crossed and UTA... Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 6

5:40am Wed 6 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap?
With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ...
If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened,
The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere,
I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ?
We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs !
I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B?
We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?
My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap? With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ... If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened, The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere, I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ? We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs ! I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B? We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then? mark by the sea
  • Score: 70

5:51am Wed 6 Aug 14

twonk says...

I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.
I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves. twonk
  • Score: -39

6:07am Wed 6 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

twonk wrote:
I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.
What a muppet! Perhaps you want to tell us exactly how many players and which ones we need to sign before you grace us with your presence?! I am concerned with our current apparent lack of direction but I know that come 3pm Saturday I'll be cheering the boys from my regular seat in the Lower West! UTA
[quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.[/p][/quote]What a muppet! Perhaps you want to tell us exactly how many players and which ones we need to sign before you grace us with your presence?! I am concerned with our current apparent lack of direction but I know that come 3pm Saturday I'll be cheering the boys from my regular seat in the Lower West! UTA brighton bluenose
  • Score: 49

6:07am Wed 6 Aug 14

Grendel says...

I can only assume that we are not interested in Ward. Wolves don't want him, he's on record as saying he'd like to return, we need a left back, but adjourning to Kenny Jackett we haven't been in touch. Maybe it's all sorted and we are just letting Wolves pay his wages for as long as possible? Who knows?
I can only assume that we are not interested in Ward. Wolves don't want him, he's on record as saying he'd like to return, we need a left back, but adjourning to Kenny Jackett we haven't been in touch. Maybe it's all sorted and we are just letting Wolves pay his wages for as long as possible? Who knows? Grendel
  • Score: 16

6:08am Wed 6 Aug 14

Grendel says...

*according* to Kenny Jackett! Aarghh!
*according* to Kenny Jackett! Aarghh! Grendel
  • Score: 9

6:29am Wed 6 Aug 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

mark by the sea wrote:
My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap?
With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ...
If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened,
The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere,
I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ?
We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs !
I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B?
We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?
You and your flippin' season ticket Mark! Anyone would think you're the only one who has one. Oh... hang on a moment... you soon might be!! 😉

UTA and bring on Wednesday on Saturday!!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap? With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ... If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened, The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere, I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ? We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs ! I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B? We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?[/p][/quote]You and your flippin' season ticket Mark! Anyone would think you're the only one who has one. Oh... hang on a moment... you soon might be!! 😉 UTA and bring on Wednesday on Saturday!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 12

6:33am Wed 6 Aug 14

StonesBHA says...

twonk wrote:
I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.
Childish and pathetic!!!
IF you regard yourself as a true fan, you'll stop sulking and put your toys back in your pram and turn up on Saturday.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.[/p][/quote]Childish and pathetic!!! IF you regard yourself as a true fan, you'll stop sulking and put your toys back in your pram and turn up on Saturday. UTA StonesBHA
  • Score: 14

6:42am Wed 6 Aug 14

Peteinblack says...

brighton bluenose wrote:
twonk wrote:
I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.
What a muppet! Perhaps you want to tell us exactly how many players and which ones we need to sign before you grace us with your presence?! I am concerned with our current apparent lack of direction but I know that come 3pm Saturday I'll be cheering the boys from my regular seat in the Lower West! UTA
Is because 'fans' like you will keep turning up and paying hard-earned money to watch the Albion, however weakened the team is, or dull the football, that the 'suits' can get away with not investing in decent players, and putting up price every year.

They are taking people like you for granted, and you're letting them!
[quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.[/p][/quote]What a muppet! Perhaps you want to tell us exactly how many players and which ones we need to sign before you grace us with your presence?! I am concerned with our current apparent lack of direction but I know that come 3pm Saturday I'll be cheering the boys from my regular seat in the Lower West! UTA[/p][/quote]Is because 'fans' like you will keep turning up and paying hard-earned money to watch the Albion, however weakened the team is, or dull the football, that the 'suits' can get away with not investing in decent players, and putting up price every year. They are taking people like you for granted, and you're letting them! Peteinblack
  • Score: -13

6:43am Wed 6 Aug 14

daughter-of-manag says...

"...which, according to a source in Yorkshire..." or (in other words) "... according to the next door neighbour's cousin, who knows a dental hygienist's Avon rep in Saltley, who overheard a taxi driver talk to a guy on the know ..."

Nice one Andy :)

I am left wondering why we couldn't move our offer from 1 mill to 1.5 mill in 6 months, for one of the best midfielders in the Championship? I understand that we've been told that Burke is 'tirelessly working behind the scenes" but I'm failing to understand what he is actually achieving?

We have the cash, so I'm curious as to why we didn't swoop for AC?
"...which, according to a source in Yorkshire..." or (in other words) "... according to the next door neighbour's cousin, who knows a dental hygienist's Avon rep in Saltley, who overheard a taxi driver talk to a guy on the know ..." Nice one Andy :) I am left wondering why we couldn't move our offer from 1 mill to 1.5 mill in 6 months, for one of the best midfielders in the Championship? I understand that we've been told that Burke is 'tirelessly working behind the scenes" but I'm failing to understand what he is actually achieving? We have the cash, so I'm curious as to why we didn't swoop for AC? daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 14

6:52am Wed 6 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

twonk wrote:
I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.
Oh really? How did you get on a few years ago when we were signing the Sebastian Carole and Alexandre Frutos on the eve of the season? How did you get on when we were signing Bristol Rovers reserves who had recently not scored many on loan to Bath City to play up front?

You are not a supporter so, as far as I am concerned, I'd rather you didn't turn up anyway.
[quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.[/p][/quote]Oh really? How did you get on a few years ago when we were signing the Sebastian Carole and Alexandre Frutos on the eve of the season? How did you get on when we were signing Bristol Rovers reserves who had recently not scored many on loan to Bath City to play up front? You are not a supporter so, as far as I am concerned, I'd rather you didn't turn up anyway. Hazey James
  • Score: 28

6:53am Wed 6 Aug 14

Opppsss!!! says...

Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!! Opppsss!!!
  • Score: -22

6:55am Wed 6 Aug 14

Baldseagull says...

Grendel wrote:
I can only assume that we are not interested in Ward. Wolves don't want him, he's on record as saying he'd like to return, we need a left back, but adjourning to Kenny Jackett we haven't been in touch. Maybe it's all sorted and we are just letting Wolves pay his wages for as long as possible? Who knows?
That quote from Jackett was weeks ago.

Naylor got slated yesterday for his reports of almost done deals not being correct and possibly enticing increased offers from elsewhere, a bit unlikely in my opinion, but I think this quote, at this time, is a bit of revenge mischief from Naylor.
[quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: I can only assume that we are not interested in Ward. Wolves don't want him, he's on record as saying he'd like to return, we need a left back, but adjourning to Kenny Jackett we haven't been in touch. Maybe it's all sorted and we are just letting Wolves pay his wages for as long as possible? Who knows?[/p][/quote]That quote from Jackett was weeks ago. Naylor got slated yesterday for his reports of almost done deals not being correct and possibly enticing increased offers from elsewhere, a bit unlikely in my opinion, but I think this quote, at this time, is a bit of revenge mischief from Naylor. Baldseagull
  • Score: 8

6:56am Wed 6 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

mark by the sea wrote:
My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap?
With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ...
If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened,
The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere,
I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ?
We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs !
I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B?
We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?
It's called negotiation mate. It's what happens in the adult world. Time is a huge factor and, unfortunately, the transfer window ends 3 weeks after the season starts (which is ridiculous).

The better price we get, the more and better quality players we can have. Simple facts. You need to grow up and live in the real world.

How did all these people refusing to now buy season tickets get on when we were losing out to Leyton Orient for Lorenzo Pinnamonte? I doubt they were even going to the football then.

This is a football which we support and want to do well. We ave no divine right to have any specific players for one bloke to spend hundreds of millions of his own money. Thankfully we do but we should just enjoy that and be grateful. We've never had it so good.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap? With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ... If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened, The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere, I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ? We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs ! I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B? We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?[/p][/quote]It's called negotiation mate. It's what happens in the adult world. Time is a huge factor and, unfortunately, the transfer window ends 3 weeks after the season starts (which is ridiculous). The better price we get, the more and better quality players we can have. Simple facts. You need to grow up and live in the real world. How did all these people refusing to now buy season tickets get on when we were losing out to Leyton Orient for Lorenzo Pinnamonte? I doubt they were even going to the football then. This is a football which we support and want to do well. We ave no divine right to have any specific players for one bloke to spend hundreds of millions of his own money. Thankfully we do but we should just enjoy that and be grateful. We've never had it so good. Hazey James
  • Score: 19

7:00am Wed 6 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

It seems to me the level of disquiet this morning is based around a feeling of "us and them" ?
The view that they don't care about the fans, seems purely based around the lack of signings - a fact I'm as frustrated about as anyone - and when there's frustration, fans vent their spleen about everything they can.
Suddenly, the pies are too expensive, the beer is too warm, but, mysteriously, a decent signing or two usually turns up the economy and turns down the chillers.
It's easy to say 'they don't care' when all we want is a competitive squad and a bit of optimism. Listening on the internet last night, I heard what I regard as some sound, solid consistent thinking, but I'll be the first to admit it needs backing up with some sound, solid (and immediate) action.
Then Paul Barber won't have to explain the philosophy on ticket prices because, frankly, we won't care.
It seems to me the level of disquiet this morning is based around a feeling of "us and them" ? The view that they don't care about the fans, seems purely based around the lack of signings - a fact I'm as frustrated about as anyone - and when there's frustration, fans vent their spleen about everything they can. Suddenly, the pies are too expensive, the beer is too warm, but, mysteriously, a decent signing or two usually turns up the economy and turns down the chillers. It's easy to say 'they don't care' when all we want is a competitive squad and a bit of optimism. Listening on the internet last night, I heard what I regard as some sound, solid consistent thinking, but I'll be the first to admit it needs backing up with some sound, solid (and immediate) action. Then Paul Barber won't have to explain the philosophy on ticket prices because, frankly, we won't care. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 15

7:00am Wed 6 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
To summarise the meeting...
We, the suits, know what we are doing, you - our customers - just keep paying the money. No-one can be criticised because you don't understand how wonderful we all are.
It's a shame the oft criticised DoF wasn't there but if we are to believe everything we hear he has been on the 'phone non-stop since he got out of bed this and every morning, negotiating with agents, chairmen and players. If he were judged on results he shouldn't be doing it for much longer.
Oh well, I suppose it'll be alright on the night... It's Saturday afternoon I'm more concerned with at the moment, and the next - and the next... In the meantime fingers crossed and UTA...
You talk as if the money we pay is just sloshing around the club with the "suits" creaming off the profit. Given the club are making a loss... even with you generous £500 - £1,000 a year... what point are you making? Is your money being spent on players? Yes, it is. The current ones need paying you know.

If you were in Tony Bloom's shoes, wouldn't you be chomping at the bit to sign players? Of course. Then why do you think he is not? Of course he is, its just that it is not as simple as buying a fantasy football team. There are other humans involved.

If he were judged on results? We've been in the playoffs the last 2 years? What were after?
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: To summarise the meeting... We, the suits, know what we are doing, you - our customers - just keep paying the money. No-one can be criticised because you don't understand how wonderful we all are. It's a shame the oft criticised DoF wasn't there but if we are to believe everything we hear he has been on the 'phone non-stop since he got out of bed this and every morning, negotiating with agents, chairmen and players. If he were judged on results he shouldn't be doing it for much longer. Oh well, I suppose it'll be alright on the night... It's Saturday afternoon I'm more concerned with at the moment, and the next - and the next... In the meantime fingers crossed and UTA...[/p][/quote]You talk as if the money we pay is just sloshing around the club with the "suits" creaming off the profit. Given the club are making a loss... even with you generous £500 - £1,000 a year... what point are you making? Is your money being spent on players? Yes, it is. The current ones need paying you know. If you were in Tony Bloom's shoes, wouldn't you be chomping at the bit to sign players? Of course. Then why do you think he is not? Of course he is, its just that it is not as simple as buying a fantasy football team. There are other humans involved. If he were judged on results? We've been in the playoffs the last 2 years? What were after? Hazey James
  • Score: 17

7:01am Wed 6 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

mark by the sea wrote:
My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap?
With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ...
If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened,
The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere,
I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ?
We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs !
I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B?
We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?
We are targeting Ward but if Wolves want to mess about then what can we do.

He'll be here soon, no doubt.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap? With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ... If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened, The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere, I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ? We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs ! I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B? We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?[/p][/quote]We are targeting Ward but if Wolves want to mess about then what can we do. He'll be here soon, no doubt. Hazey James
  • Score: 3

7:03am Wed 6 Aug 14

ringtone says...

Not interested in players like stockdale, barnsley bloke, clayton,baldock and ward.

I want some stellar names and i want them now.
Not interested in players like stockdale, barnsley bloke, clayton,baldock and ward. I want some stellar names and i want them now. ringtone
  • Score: -41

7:06am Wed 6 Aug 14

Dolph Ins says...

twonk wrote:
I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.
If you were one of my kids you would be on the naughty step for a week and unable to go anyway.
[quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.[/p][/quote]If you were one of my kids you would be on the naughty step for a week and unable to go anyway. Dolph Ins
  • Score: 12

7:08am Wed 6 Aug 14

brighton bluenose says...

Peteinblack wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
twonk wrote:
I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.
What a muppet! Perhaps you want to tell us exactly how many players and which ones we need to sign before you grace us with your presence?! I am concerned with our current apparent lack of direction but I know that come 3pm Saturday I'll be cheering the boys from my regular seat in the Lower West! UTA
Is because 'fans' like you will keep turning up and paying hard-earned money to watch the Albion, however weakened the team is, or dull the football, that the 'suits' can get away with not investing in decent players, and putting up price every year.

They are taking people like you for granted, and you're letting them!
You are having a laugh - if you've read any of my posts you would know that I am far from happy with what has been happening for at least the last year but as a SUPPORTER I will get behind the team week in week out! Perhaps you've forgotten where we've been and how close we came to being finished?!!
[quote][p][bold]Peteinblack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.[/p][/quote]What a muppet! Perhaps you want to tell us exactly how many players and which ones we need to sign before you grace us with your presence?! I am concerned with our current apparent lack of direction but I know that come 3pm Saturday I'll be cheering the boys from my regular seat in the Lower West! UTA[/p][/quote]Is because 'fans' like you will keep turning up and paying hard-earned money to watch the Albion, however weakened the team is, or dull the football, that the 'suits' can get away with not investing in decent players, and putting up price every year. They are taking people like you for granted, and you're letting them![/p][/quote]You are having a laugh - if you've read any of my posts you would know that I am far from happy with what has been happening for at least the last year but as a SUPPORTER I will get behind the team week in week out! Perhaps you've forgotten where we've been and how close we came to being finished?!! brighton bluenose
  • Score: 7

7:09am Wed 6 Aug 14

AlfieT says...

We go with what we have got on Saturday, one or two in by the end of August, let's hope we are not bottom three by then. It's time for all true Brighton fans to get behind sami and the team, let's make some noise on Saturday and start with a win.
We go with what we have got on Saturday, one or two in by the end of August, let's hope we are not bottom three by then. It's time for all true Brighton fans to get behind sami and the team, let's make some noise on Saturday and start with a win. AlfieT
  • Score: 12

7:09am Wed 6 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
[quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more). Hazey James
  • Score: 22

7:20am Wed 6 Aug 14

To baldly go says...

Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
DREAMER
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]DREAMER To baldly go
  • Score: -14

7:22am Wed 6 Aug 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Enjoying your postings Hazey. There aren't enough o us positive people on here... or at least there might be but they seem reluctant to post on a site full of trolls, WUMs and negs.

UTA!!
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Enjoying your postings Hazey. There aren't enough o us positive people on here... or at least there might be but they seem reluctant to post on a site full of trolls, WUMs and negs. UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 3

7:22am Wed 6 Aug 14

StonesBHA says...

Peteinblack wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
twonk wrote:
I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.
What a muppet! Perhaps you want to tell us exactly how many players and which ones we need to sign before you grace us with your presence?! I am concerned with our current apparent lack of direction but I know that come 3pm Saturday I'll be cheering the boys from my regular seat in the Lower West! UTA
Is because 'fans' like you will keep turning up and paying hard-earned money to watch the Albion, however weakened the team is, or dull the football, that the 'suits' can get away with not investing in decent players, and putting up price every year.

They are taking people like you for granted, and you're letting them!
Just think back as little as 4years ago and where we were and look at now and where these 'SUITS' have taken us. I've been through many seasons watching dull football, sometimes it happens, all football clubs have their highs and lows and maybe, just maybe we might have a blip this season. That's what being a SUPPORTER is all about.
Trust in Bloom.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Peteinblack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.[/p][/quote]What a muppet! Perhaps you want to tell us exactly how many players and which ones we need to sign before you grace us with your presence?! I am concerned with our current apparent lack of direction but I know that come 3pm Saturday I'll be cheering the boys from my regular seat in the Lower West! UTA[/p][/quote]Is because 'fans' like you will keep turning up and paying hard-earned money to watch the Albion, however weakened the team is, or dull the football, that the 'suits' can get away with not investing in decent players, and putting up price every year. They are taking people like you for granted, and you're letting them![/p][/quote]Just think back as little as 4years ago and where we were and look at now and where these 'SUITS' have taken us. I've been through many seasons watching dull football, sometimes it happens, all football clubs have their highs and lows and maybe, just maybe we might have a blip this season. That's what being a SUPPORTER is all about. Trust in Bloom. UTA StonesBHA
  • Score: 28

7:31am Wed 6 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
You miss out a few points,
If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales,
The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again,
Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG)
Nothing much has changed has it?
For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time?
How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time..
I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now. mark by the sea
  • Score: -16

7:37am Wed 6 Aug 14

To baldly go says...

2 managers gone in consecutive years, why, lack of investment in the team, how long will SH put up with the same? Christmas is my guess.
We have the best stadium, best academy, highest attendences for the last 2 seasons, awards for programes, pies etc. The stadium being used for concerts, rugby world cup and so on, but, we are penny pinching when it comes to the team. Yes there are the diehard fans who watch in all weathers, all divisions and good luck to them, but for most of us its about entertainment, and at the moment i cannot see it being a very entertaining season tbh.
Go to the theatre, cinema or a concert and if its rubbish you dont go back, but you tell your friends how bad it is and then they dont go either, this could happen to the Albion if they are not careful, sub 20k attendences could be a matter of weeks away, they need to get it right or it will be a sttep hill to climb to get back on track!
Lets hope come Saturday we're all eating our words, but i have my doubts. UTA
2 managers gone in consecutive years, why, lack of investment in the team, how long will SH put up with the same? Christmas is my guess. We have the best stadium, best academy, highest attendences for the last 2 seasons, awards for programes, pies etc. The stadium being used for concerts, rugby world cup and so on, but, we are penny pinching when it comes to the team. Yes there are the diehard fans who watch in all weathers, all divisions and good luck to them, but for most of us its about entertainment, and at the moment i cannot see it being a very entertaining season tbh. Go to the theatre, cinema or a concert and if its rubbish you dont go back, but you tell your friends how bad it is and then they dont go either, this could happen to the Albion if they are not careful, sub 20k attendences could be a matter of weeks away, they need to get it right or it will be a sttep hill to climb to get back on track! Lets hope come Saturday we're all eating our words, but i have my doubts. UTA To baldly go
  • Score: 9

7:38am Wed 6 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

Hazey James wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap?
With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ...
If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened,
The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere,
I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ?
We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs !
I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B?
We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?
We are targeting Ward but if Wolves want to mess about then what can we do.

He'll be here soon, no doubt.
How long do we target ward? Lol we targeted him over a year ago!
In 3 weeks time a club might desperately need a left back ( wolves even)
Then our negotiation is a waste of time, ward will go to the club where he gets the most money.
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap? With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ... If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened, The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere, I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ? We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs ! I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B? We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?[/p][/quote]We are targeting Ward but if Wolves want to mess about then what can we do. He'll be here soon, no doubt.[/p][/quote]How long do we target ward? Lol we targeted him over a year ago! In 3 weeks time a club might desperately need a left back ( wolves even) Then our negotiation is a waste of time, ward will go to the club where he gets the most money. mark by the sea
  • Score: 2

7:39am Wed 6 Aug 14

Mossie707 says...

Interesting comment from Sami about not affording to give the opposition an advantage by not having your squad ready. I wonder just how ready other squads are and whether he was actually making a statement to the chairman?
Interesting comment from Sami about not affording to give the opposition an advantage by not having your squad ready. I wonder just how ready other squads are and whether he was actually making a statement to the chairman? Mossie707
  • Score: 11

7:44am Wed 6 Aug 14

Mark Dixon says...

Though l totally agree no point buying players for the sake of it for TB to say the main targets are here is somewhat worrying to say the least.

I can never understand why the transfer window closes about three weeks after the season starts, it should be end of July.

As for the forum last night , well what a waste of time that was. It reminded me of a work's staff meeting, everyone thought of a probing question but ended up chickening out asking it.
Though l totally agree no point buying players for the sake of it for TB to say the main targets are here is somewhat worrying to say the least. I can never understand why the transfer window closes about three weeks after the season starts, it should be end of July. As for the forum last night , well what a waste of time that was. It reminded me of a work's staff meeting, everyone thought of a probing question but ended up chickening out asking it. Mark Dixon
  • Score: 5

7:48am Wed 6 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Sorry, I stopped reading when you said you know more than 99% of people who post on here..... Get You!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Sorry, I stopped reading when you said you know more than 99% of people who post on here..... Get You!!!!! Quiterie
  • Score: 4

7:48am Wed 6 Aug 14

Plutomania says...

Expect lots of thumbs down on this but here goes.

What a lot of rubbish last night. Bloom -Burke-Sammy all sitting there expecting to get put through the ringer and what happened.
All questions were some what all non- conciliatory - tame -passionless
Peoples tones were like ,Apologizing to utter vebal concerns at the running of our club to the suit men.
Blooms replies were, I think script written.To me he does not seem to have the fire-passion anymore. Seems to be too lay back, she`ll be right attitude- what will happen will happen. Perhaps living in the fat too much
Sammy I did not think had a gram of energy in him, did`nt seem to want to be there, attitude. Does not bode well if he does not know much about players side of business. I hope he has more drive in him on match days.
The club seems to be in a go slow mode.

I am very open on what I think of Gus,but one thing I am sure about is.

GUS had, drive- passion - commitment-,he oozed energy- positiveness.
When he was on the side line ,the fire in his belly-the adrenalin rubbed off on the players ,supporters alike , when he shouted we all shouted and most of all he infected th management, it was if a storm was brewing at Withdean and into the Amex. Everything he said at forums and on TV and interviews bought life and fresh air into the arena

What did I hear last night, 3 damp squids up on the podium lacking FIRE in their Bellies.Saying We`ll be Right , still 3 weeks to go before the transfer window closes. BUT without much conviction.

I hope I am wrong
Expect lots of thumbs down on this but here goes. What a lot of rubbish last night. Bloom -Burke-Sammy all sitting there expecting to get put through the ringer and what happened. All questions were some what all non- conciliatory - tame -passionless Peoples tones were like ,Apologizing to utter vebal concerns at the running of our club to the suit men. Blooms replies were, I think script written.To me he does not seem to have the fire-passion anymore. Seems to be too lay back, she`ll be right attitude- what will happen will happen. Perhaps living in the fat too much Sammy I did not think had a gram of energy in him, did`nt seem to want to be there, attitude. Does not bode well if he does not know much about players side of business. I hope he has more drive in him on match days. The club seems to be in a go slow mode. I am very open on what I think of Gus,but one thing I am sure about is. GUS had, drive- passion - commitment-,he oozed energy- positiveness. When he was on the side line ,the fire in his belly-the adrenalin rubbed off on the players ,supporters alike , when he shouted we all shouted and most of all he infected th management, it was if a storm was brewing at Withdean and into the Amex. Everything he said at forums and on TV and interviews bought life and fresh air into the arena What did I hear last night, 3 damp squids up on the podium lacking FIRE in their Bellies.Saying We`ll be Right , still 3 weeks to go before the transfer window closes. BUT without much conviction. I hope I am wrong Plutomania
  • Score: 20

7:51am Wed 6 Aug 14

seagull52 says...

As a true fan, I will go on Saturday, wear my blue and white , cheer, sing, clap, anything to let what team we do have, know I'm behind them. I'm in West lower, I apologise now if anyone objects!!
I sat in the East stand last Thursday, I could not believe how quiet it was, no one made a sound! UTA
As a true fan, I will go on Saturday, wear my blue and white , cheer, sing, clap, anything to let what team we do have, know I'm behind them. I'm in West lower, I apologise now if anyone objects!! I sat in the East stand last Thursday, I could not believe how quiet it was, no one made a sound! UTA seagull52
  • Score: 0

7:53am Wed 6 Aug 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Maybe we should have a sit down protest on Saturday where we sit on the pitch and don't move until the club signs at least 10 million worth of talent, cos that's frankly what we need. Probably would have to be done after the game. Also Bloom should know we are not afraid to boo if necessary.
Maybe we should have a sit down protest on Saturday where we sit on the pitch and don't move until the club signs at least 10 million worth of talent, cos that's frankly what we need. Probably would have to be done after the game. Also Bloom should know we are not afraid to boo if necessary. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -17

7:55am Wed 6 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
You miss out a few points,
If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales,
The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again,
Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG)
Nothing much has changed has it?
For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time?
How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time..
I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.
Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.[/p][/quote]Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 8

7:57am Wed 6 Aug 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion.

Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions.

I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags'

First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL!

The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F.

PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual.

So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well.

Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was.

My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark.

The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion!
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 26

8:01am Wed 6 Aug 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Maybe we should have a sit down protest on Saturday where we sit on the pitch and don't move until the club signs at least 10 million worth of talent, cos that's frankly what we need. Probably would have to be done after the game. Also Bloom should know we are not afraid to boo if necessary.
We won't actually hear you booing in Croydon.

Idiot.

UTA!!
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Maybe we should have a sit down protest on Saturday where we sit on the pitch and don't move until the club signs at least 10 million worth of talent, cos that's frankly what we need. Probably would have to be done after the game. Also Bloom should know we are not afraid to boo if necessary.[/p][/quote]We won't actually hear you booing in Croydon. Idiot. UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 4

8:01am Wed 6 Aug 14

pte says...

I'm afraid 1m doesn't buy you a lot these days. If they paid 1.5-2m that might seem like a lot now but how much will the boy be worth in 2 years time. Its not spending money with no return, it's investing money with the return of increased performance, higher gate receipts and greater sell on value.

Then it comes down to persuading the player to come here. Sami has no imput regarding financial negotiations. But often these things come down to personal preferences and who a player wants to work for. So shouldn't Sami be involved at least in talking with the player so he knows who he's going to work with and whether he prefers working with Sami or someone else? Wasn't that Gus's strength, his charm in getting good players to come to the Amex? But maybe now the manager has been completely frozen out when he doesn't need to be. If there is an issue preventing the player from signing, the manager can go to Bloom and make him aware that the player will not sign if whoever is conducting the negotiations doesn't show more flexibility. The tiniest thing can put a player off signing and if the negotiator is a dunderhead, see what the problem is and find an imaginative way round then the player goes elsewhere.

This is happening far too often for it to be just bad luck, it's ps poor negotiations
I'm afraid 1m doesn't buy you a lot these days. If they paid 1.5-2m that might seem like a lot now but how much will the boy be worth in 2 years time. Its not spending money with no return, it's investing money with the return of increased performance, higher gate receipts and greater sell on value. Then it comes down to persuading the player to come here. Sami has no imput regarding financial negotiations. But often these things come down to personal preferences and who a player wants to work for. So shouldn't Sami be involved at least in talking with the player so he knows who he's going to work with and whether he prefers working with Sami or someone else? Wasn't that Gus's strength, his charm in getting good players to come to the Amex? But maybe now the manager has been completely frozen out when he doesn't need to be. If there is an issue preventing the player from signing, the manager can go to Bloom and make him aware that the player will not sign if whoever is conducting the negotiations doesn't show more flexibility. The tiniest thing can put a player off signing and if the negotiator is a dunderhead, see what the problem is and find an imaginative way round then the player goes elsewhere. This is happening far too often for it to be just bad luck, it's ps poor negotiations pte
  • Score: 1

8:09am Wed 6 Aug 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

Hazey James wrote:
Jonathan Mouette wrote:
To summarise the meeting...
We, the suits, know what we are doing, you - our customers - just keep paying the money. No-one can be criticised because you don't understand how wonderful we all are.
It's a shame the oft criticised DoF wasn't there but if we are to believe everything we hear he has been on the 'phone non-stop since he got out of bed this and every morning, negotiating with agents, chairmen and players. If he were judged on results he shouldn't be doing it for much longer.
Oh well, I suppose it'll be alright on the night... It's Saturday afternoon I'm more concerned with at the moment, and the next - and the next... In the meantime fingers crossed and UTA...
You talk as if the money we pay is just sloshing around the club with the "suits" creaming off the profit. Given the club are making a loss... even with you generous £500 - £1,000 a year... what point are you making? Is your money being spent on players? Yes, it is. The current ones need paying you know.

If you were in Tony Bloom's shoes, wouldn't you be chomping at the bit to sign players? Of course. Then why do you think he is not? Of course he is, its just that it is not as simple as buying a fantasy football team. There are other humans involved.

If he were judged on results? We've been in the playoffs the last 2 years? What were after?
Before leaping on to the keyboard in a search to get some thumbs up, try reading the post again... My sentence " If he were judged on results he shouldn't be doing it for much longer. " was linked specifically to a criticism of the DoF, not TB for whom I have unbounded admiration and a huge debt of gratitude... even if he gets it wrong from time to time, but then again Hazey, don't we all.
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: To summarise the meeting... We, the suits, know what we are doing, you - our customers - just keep paying the money. No-one can be criticised because you don't understand how wonderful we all are. It's a shame the oft criticised DoF wasn't there but if we are to believe everything we hear he has been on the 'phone non-stop since he got out of bed this and every morning, negotiating with agents, chairmen and players. If he were judged on results he shouldn't be doing it for much longer. Oh well, I suppose it'll be alright on the night... It's Saturday afternoon I'm more concerned with at the moment, and the next - and the next... In the meantime fingers crossed and UTA...[/p][/quote]You talk as if the money we pay is just sloshing around the club with the "suits" creaming off the profit. Given the club are making a loss... even with you generous £500 - £1,000 a year... what point are you making? Is your money being spent on players? Yes, it is. The current ones need paying you know. If you were in Tony Bloom's shoes, wouldn't you be chomping at the bit to sign players? Of course. Then why do you think he is not? Of course he is, its just that it is not as simple as buying a fantasy football team. There are other humans involved. If he were judged on results? We've been in the playoffs the last 2 years? What were after?[/p][/quote]Before leaping on to the keyboard in a search to get some thumbs up, try reading the post again... My sentence " If he were judged on results he shouldn't be doing it for much longer. " was linked specifically to a criticism of the DoF, not TB for whom I have unbounded admiration and a huge debt of gratitude... even if he gets it wrong from time to time, but then again Hazey, don't we all. Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 3

8:09am Wed 6 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
You miss out a few points,
If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales,
The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again,
Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG)
Nothing much has changed has it?
For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time?
How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time..
I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.
Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.
The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.[/p][/quote]Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.[/p][/quote]The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets mark by the sea
  • Score: -6

8:15am Wed 6 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
You miss out a few points,
If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales,
The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again,
Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG)
Nothing much has changed has it?
For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time?
How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time..
I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.
Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.
The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets
Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.[/p][/quote]Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.[/p][/quote]The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets[/p][/quote]Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 7

8:20am Wed 6 Aug 14

bbb1969 says...

I am fed up with fans saying "look where we were 4 years ago; remember Withdean, Gillingham etc... ; well I for one don't want to look back or actually want to go back to those times. I want to look to the future but the fundamental needs of a great football club is to have a full team. Losing out on Clayton is so bad especially to boro so really hope this was Clayton personal choice and not the money. When we have Kaz and Lua Lua injured then I will start to worry. There should be none of this "he cannot play a full 90 minute", rubbish.
Will support whatever team goes out but please lets not keep reminding peopl how bad it was cos it aint helping.
I am fed up with fans saying "look where we were 4 years ago; remember Withdean, Gillingham etc... ; well I for one don't want to look back or actually want to go back to those times. I want to look to the future but the fundamental needs of a great football club is to have a full team. Losing out on Clayton is so bad especially to boro so really hope this was Clayton personal choice and not the money. When we have Kaz and Lua Lua injured then I will start to worry. There should be none of this "he cannot play a full 90 minute", rubbish. Will support whatever team goes out but please lets not keep reminding peopl how bad it was cos it aint helping. bbb1969
  • Score: -1

8:24am Wed 6 Aug 14

scottishb;ue says...

I can see the fans doing what Rangers fans have done hold back on season ticket money till they know what is going on at the club ,something is def not right behind the scene but the players we do put on the pitch need us as there 12th man and get behind them
I can see the fans doing what Rangers fans have done hold back on season ticket money till they know what is going on at the club ,something is def not right behind the scene but the players we do put on the pitch need us as there 12th man and get behind them scottishb;ue
  • Score: 2

8:25am Wed 6 Aug 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

ringtone wrote:
Not interested in players like stockdale, barnsley bloke, clayton,baldock and ward.

I want some stellar names and i want them now.
Yes, we want the finest ******* players available to humanity, and we want them now! Bit of ' withnail and I' approach needed methinks.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: Not interested in players like stockdale, barnsley bloke, clayton,baldock and ward. I want some stellar names and i want them now.[/p][/quote]Yes, we want the finest ******* players available to humanity, and we want them now! Bit of ' withnail and I' approach needed methinks. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -5

8:25am Wed 6 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
You miss out a few points,
If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales,
The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again,
Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG)
Nothing much has changed has it?
For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time?
How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time..
I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.
Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.
The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets
Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.
What? We had a waiting list for season tickets two years ago, forget the churn ( spin) we have lost 7% of our season ticket holders, name last time that happened?
I honestly think you believe anything without thinking! Churn is people moving, divorcing dying , that happens every year! You suck the spin in.
This churn is the same across all clubs, it was not at ours though was it when we went from 18000 season ticket holders to 24000 season ticket holders in two seasons, with a waiting list on both seasons..
Explain why sales drop ... It's called not wanting a season ticket!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.[/p][/quote]Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.[/p][/quote]The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets[/p][/quote]Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.[/p][/quote]What? We had a waiting list for season tickets two years ago, forget the churn ( spin) we have lost 7% of our season ticket holders, name last time that happened? I honestly think you believe anything without thinking! Churn is people moving, divorcing dying , that happens every year! You suck the spin in. This churn is the same across all clubs, it was not at ours though was it when we went from 18000 season ticket holders to 24000 season ticket holders in two seasons, with a waiting list on both seasons.. Explain why sales drop ... It's called not wanting a season ticket! mark by the sea
  • Score: -4

8:25am Wed 6 Aug 14

jarmonesque says...

Peteinblack wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
twonk wrote:
I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.
What a muppet! Perhaps you want to tell us exactly how many players and which ones we need to sign before you grace us with your presence?! I am concerned with our current apparent lack of direction but I know that come 3pm Saturday I'll be cheering the boys from my regular seat in the Lower West! UTA
Is because 'fans' like you will keep turning up and paying hard-earned money to watch the Albion, however weakened the team is, or dull the football, that the 'suits' can get away with not investing in decent players, and putting up price every year.

They are taking people like you for granted, and you're letting them!
That's because he is a true fan, not a fair weather 1901 rugby idiot
[quote][p][bold]Peteinblack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.[/p][/quote]What a muppet! Perhaps you want to tell us exactly how many players and which ones we need to sign before you grace us with your presence?! I am concerned with our current apparent lack of direction but I know that come 3pm Saturday I'll be cheering the boys from my regular seat in the Lower West! UTA[/p][/quote]Is because 'fans' like you will keep turning up and paying hard-earned money to watch the Albion, however weakened the team is, or dull the football, that the 'suits' can get away with not investing in decent players, and putting up price every year. They are taking people like you for granted, and you're letting them![/p][/quote]That's because he is a true fan, not a fair weather 1901 rugby idiot jarmonesque
  • Score: 2

8:27am Wed 6 Aug 14

wallygould says...

There is a very good article by PB in the Mail today ref parachute payments...glad some of those " fans " posting are not in charge of the Albion or we would end up as a Leeds or Pompey
There is a very good article by PB in the Mail today ref parachute payments...glad some of those " fans " posting are not in charge of the Albion or we would end up as a Leeds or Pompey wallygould
  • Score: 7

8:35am Wed 6 Aug 14

beanyeye says...

TB says we have bought our main targets - by implication Clayton, Baldock and Ward are/were not 'main targets. We may have bought for value, but unquestionably average players - O,Grady, Hughes etc. The club clearly lacks the vision, drive and ambition that Gus had. Frankly we have continued to lose momentum as a club since that fateful Palace game and Gus's departure. A sad demise. True supporters should rally, nonetheless. Things can change!
TB says we have bought our main targets - by implication Clayton, Baldock and Ward are/were not 'main targets. We may have bought for value, but unquestionably average players - O,Grady, Hughes etc. The club clearly lacks the vision, drive and ambition that Gus had. Frankly we have continued to lose momentum as a club since that fateful Palace game and Gus's departure. A sad demise. True supporters should rally, nonetheless. Things can change! beanyeye
  • Score: 7

8:39am Wed 6 Aug 14

9 of us says...

Patince is an advantage.
Why on earth does the transfer window close close after the season starts?
Why is there another in January? We'll go through this pross all over again.
We have 5 league games before the window closes and 3 are at home. The current squad should be capable of gaining 7 points which will match the 7 points gained last season, also from 5 games in August.
With the new players then arriving to boost the squad, we should no excuses not to move on.
Roll on Saturday UTA
Patince is an advantage. Why on earth does the transfer window close close after the season starts? Why is there another in January? We'll go through this pross all over again. We have 5 league games before the window closes and 3 are at home. The current squad should be capable of gaining 7 points which will match the 7 points gained last season, also from 5 games in August. With the new players then arriving to boost the squad, we should no excuses not to move on. Roll on Saturday UTA 9 of us
  • Score: -2

8:41am Wed 6 Aug 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

pte wrote:
I'm afraid 1m doesn't buy you a lot these days. If they paid 1.5-2m that might seem like a lot now but how much will the boy be worth in 2 years time. Its not spending money with no return, it's investing money with the return of increased performance, higher gate receipts and greater sell on value.

Then it comes down to persuading the player to come here. Sami has no imput regarding financial negotiations. But often these things come down to personal preferences and who a player wants to work for. So shouldn't Sami be involved at least in talking with the player so he knows who he's going to work with and whether he prefers working with Sami or someone else? Wasn't that Gus's strength, his charm in getting good players to come to the Amex? But maybe now the manager has been completely frozen out when he doesn't need to be. If there is an issue preventing the player from signing, the manager can go to Bloom and make him aware that the player will not sign if whoever is conducting the negotiations doesn't show more flexibility. The tiniest thing can put a player off signing and if the negotiator is a dunderhead, see what the problem is and find an imaginative way round then the player goes elsewhere.

This is happening far too often for it to be just bad luck, it's ps poor negotiations
Quite right and it's called 'ego'. Guys who have never done much in the game trying to live their unlived dreams through others. They get all 'puffed up' when dealing with players. The game is full of them in Boardrooms up and down the land!
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: I'm afraid 1m doesn't buy you a lot these days. If they paid 1.5-2m that might seem like a lot now but how much will the boy be worth in 2 years time. Its not spending money with no return, it's investing money with the return of increased performance, higher gate receipts and greater sell on value. Then it comes down to persuading the player to come here. Sami has no imput regarding financial negotiations. But often these things come down to personal preferences and who a player wants to work for. So shouldn't Sami be involved at least in talking with the player so he knows who he's going to work with and whether he prefers working with Sami or someone else? Wasn't that Gus's strength, his charm in getting good players to come to the Amex? But maybe now the manager has been completely frozen out when he doesn't need to be. If there is an issue preventing the player from signing, the manager can go to Bloom and make him aware that the player will not sign if whoever is conducting the negotiations doesn't show more flexibility. The tiniest thing can put a player off signing and if the negotiator is a dunderhead, see what the problem is and find an imaginative way round then the player goes elsewhere. This is happening far too often for it to be just bad luck, it's ps poor negotiations[/p][/quote]Quite right and it's called 'ego'. Guys who have never done much in the game trying to live their unlived dreams through others. They get all 'puffed up' when dealing with players. The game is full of them in Boardrooms up and down the land! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 5

8:41am Wed 6 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.
I see 7% non renewals as evidence of unrealistic supporter's expectations rather than a sign that the club are poorly run.
On the contrary, OG wanted less to do with transfers than the club wanted him to have.
Negotiations will have been begun already. It is not just a case of waiting to bid.
I don't see how we can all have a say on how one bloke spends his own money. Mine and your season ticket income does not keep the club going, Tony Bloom's money does. He has every right to want value for money and I am pleased he does as it will help the club get as many quality players as possible.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.[/p][/quote]I see 7% non renewals as evidence of unrealistic supporter's expectations rather than a sign that the club are poorly run. On the contrary, OG wanted less to do with transfers than the club wanted him to have. Negotiations will have been begun already. It is not just a case of waiting to bid. I don't see how we can all have a say on how one bloke spends his own money. Mine and your season ticket income does not keep the club going, Tony Bloom's money does. He has every right to want value for money and I am pleased he does as it will help the club get as many quality players as possible. Hazey James
  • Score: -3

8:45am Wed 6 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
mark by the sea wrote: My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap? With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ... If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened, The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere, I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ? We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs ! I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B? We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?
We are targeting Ward but if Wolves want to mess about then what can we do. He'll be here soon, no doubt.
How long do we target ward? Lol we targeted him over a year ago! In 3 weeks time a club might desperately need a left back ( wolves even) Then our negotiation is a waste of time, ward will go to the club where he gets the most money.
We had him all last season so I don't understand your point. Correct he may get bought by someone else is break his leg but that is the calculated risk that is negotiation. Bloom knows what he is doing. I am sure we could have got stockdale 2 months ago for £3m. I'm pleased we waited and paid £1m.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap? With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ... If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened, The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere, I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ? We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs ! I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B? We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?[/p][/quote]We are targeting Ward but if Wolves want to mess about then what can we do. He'll be here soon, no doubt.[/p][/quote]How long do we target ward? Lol we targeted him over a year ago! In 3 weeks time a club might desperately need a left back ( wolves even) Then our negotiation is a waste of time, ward will go to the club where he gets the most money.[/p][/quote]We had him all last season so I don't understand your point. Correct he may get bought by someone else is break his leg but that is the calculated risk that is negotiation. Bloom knows what he is doing. I am sure we could have got stockdale 2 months ago for £3m. I'm pleased we waited and paid £1m. Hazey James
  • Score: -3

8:48am Wed 6 Aug 14

Peteinblack says...

About the 7% decline in season ticket saes d to 'churn' (people dying or moving away):

1) Did fewer people die or move last season or the season before?
2) Surely new people move TO Brighton, and younger people replace those who have gone to the stadium in the sky, so the overall impact on season ticket sales would be neutral?
About the 7% decline in season ticket saes d to 'churn' (people dying or moving away): 1) Did fewer people die or move last season or the season before? 2) Surely new people move TO Brighton, and younger people replace those who have gone to the stadium in the sky, so the overall impact on season ticket sales would be neutral? Peteinblack
  • Score: 2

8:49am Wed 6 Aug 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

One other thing that seemed to be clear last night was Tony Bloom's veiled, yet clear, criticism of The Argus.

Please remember Tony. The pen is mightier than the sword! These guys, despite the fact that their interests often clash with the interests of the club, have their own job to do . It is part of your executive's and senior staff's job to work in a harmonious relationship with them .

I find it interesting that there was a time recently when all their articles seemed to be so positively supportive of the club. Things seemed to have changed there as well. We also do not seem to get as much coverage as a club from the national press despite achieving reaching the play offs the past two seasons.

People do business with people - when they're made to feel welcome, listened to and respected. I hope that applies to the press too at our club!
One other thing that seemed to be clear last night was Tony Bloom's veiled, yet clear, criticism of The Argus. Please remember Tony. The pen is mightier than the sword! These guys, despite the fact that their interests often clash with the interests of the club, have their own job to do . It is part of your executive's and senior staff's job to work in a harmonious relationship with them . I find it interesting that there was a time recently when all their articles seemed to be so positively supportive of the club. Things seemed to have changed there as well. We also do not seem to get as much coverage as a club from the national press despite achieving reaching the play offs the past two seasons. People do business with people - when they're made to feel welcome, listened to and respected. I hope that applies to the press too at our club! WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 1

8:52am Wed 6 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

Quiterie wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Sorry, I stopped reading when you said you know more than 99% of people who post on here..... Get You!!!!!
Fair play. Reading that back, I do sound like a prat. But it is not difficult to know more than people who know very little and I find it frustrating hearing things told as fact which I know are untrue. It is difficult to state a fact based on a good source without coming across as a billy big balls.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Sorry, I stopped reading when you said you know more than 99% of people who post on here..... Get You!!!!![/p][/quote]Fair play. Reading that back, I do sound like a prat. But it is not difficult to know more than people who know very little and I find it frustrating hearing things told as fact which I know are untrue. It is difficult to state a fact based on a good source without coming across as a billy big balls. Hazey James
  • Score: 5

8:59am Wed 6 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion!
I am definitely not inside the club. It is not hard to know more than the very little that most on here know.

I don't see how anything over the past 5 seasons could be seen as negative. The overwhelming trajectory has been up. I believe this will continue.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion![/p][/quote]I am definitely not inside the club. It is not hard to know more than the very little that most on here know. I don't see how anything over the past 5 seasons could be seen as negative. The overwhelming trajectory has been up. I believe this will continue. Hazey James
  • Score: 3

9:06am Wed 6 Aug 14

northernseagull says...

ringtone wrote:
Not interested in players like stockdale, barnsley bloke, clayton,baldock and ward.

I want some stellar names and i want them now.
Sure. Feel free to fund the extra £10 million then.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: Not interested in players like stockdale, barnsley bloke, clayton,baldock and ward. I want some stellar names and i want them now.[/p][/quote]Sure. Feel free to fund the extra £10 million then. northernseagull
  • Score: 3

9:07am Wed 6 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

Mossie707 wrote:
Interesting comment from Sami about not affording to give the opposition an advantage by not having your squad ready. I wonder just how ready other squads are and whether he was actually making a statement to the chairman?
Apart from Blackpool and Reading, I'm struggling to think of another side who haven't significantly strengthened their squads. There is no doubt that we are weaker as a squad than in either of our two Championship seasons, so I think it's fair to say that we are giving most of the opposition an advantage. There are 3 weeks to the end of the window, the chairman has promised that we will have a squad that we will be happy with by then, it will take a few games to integrate the new players, so we're probably looking at early October before Sami has his squad together and we'll be able to make judgements. The danger with this approach is that if we lose our first 3 or 4 games it becomes more difficult to attract the calibre of player we want. Let's hope we really do have these "targets" and we can get them in sooner rather later.
[quote][p][bold]Mossie707[/bold] wrote: Interesting comment from Sami about not affording to give the opposition an advantage by not having your squad ready. I wonder just how ready other squads are and whether he was actually making a statement to the chairman?[/p][/quote]Apart from Blackpool and Reading, I'm struggling to think of another side who haven't significantly strengthened their squads. There is no doubt that we are weaker as a squad than in either of our two Championship seasons, so I think it's fair to say that we are giving most of the opposition an advantage. There are 3 weeks to the end of the window, the chairman has promised that we will have a squad that we will be happy with by then, it will take a few games to integrate the new players, so we're probably looking at early October before Sami has his squad together and we'll be able to make judgements. The danger with this approach is that if we lose our first 3 or 4 games it becomes more difficult to attract the calibre of player we want. Let's hope we really do have these "targets" and we can get them in sooner rather later. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 4

9:08am Wed 6 Aug 14

afr says...

Hazey James wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.
I see 7% non renewals as evidence of unrealistic supporter's expectations rather than a sign that the club are poorly run.
On the contrary, OG wanted less to do with transfers than the club wanted him to have.
Negotiations will have been begun already. It is not just a case of waiting to bid.
I don't see how we can all have a say on how one bloke spends his own money. Mine and your season ticket income does not keep the club going, Tony Bloom's money does. He has every right to want value for money and I am pleased he does as it will help the club get as many quality players as possible.
Thanks both MBS and J Mouette , two of the only decent posters on here. I'm fed up of so called die-hards like you thinking anybody with an opinion is a Troll. These two guys say it like it is; let them have their opinion.

There are a few clear Trolls/ Wind up Mercants on here, but they provide the odd laugh. More fun than the " remember where we were a few years ago" brigade anyway.

Yes, T B is a great guy and we are eternally grateful; we couldn't wish for a better Chairman. However, we are we are now, and our step towards the big time will inevitably bring frustration and questions from the fans. Of course there is a bit of a gap now between what has become a very corporate top end of the club and the supporters ; it's inevitable.

If some of us miss a bit of the grass roots stuff from Withdean and previous years, then let us have a bit of a moan; call it nostalgia if you like. Just don't label us all as Trolls or unfaithful fans.

UTA.
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.[/p][/quote]I see 7% non renewals as evidence of unrealistic supporter's expectations rather than a sign that the club are poorly run. On the contrary, OG wanted less to do with transfers than the club wanted him to have. Negotiations will have been begun already. It is not just a case of waiting to bid. I don't see how we can all have a say on how one bloke spends his own money. Mine and your season ticket income does not keep the club going, Tony Bloom's money does. He has every right to want value for money and I am pleased he does as it will help the club get as many quality players as possible.[/p][/quote]Thanks both MBS and J Mouette , two of the only decent posters on here. I'm fed up of so called die-hards like you thinking anybody with an opinion is a Troll. These two guys say it like it is; let them have their opinion. There are a few clear Trolls/ Wind up Mercants on here, but they provide the odd laugh. More fun than the " remember where we were a few years ago" brigade anyway. Yes, T B is a great guy and we are eternally grateful; we couldn't wish for a better Chairman. However, we are we are now, and our step towards the big time will inevitably bring frustration and questions from the fans. Of course there is a bit of a gap now between what has become a very corporate top end of the club and the supporters ; it's inevitable. If some of us miss a bit of the grass roots stuff from Withdean and previous years, then let us have a bit of a moan; call it nostalgia if you like. Just don't label us all as Trolls or unfaithful fans. UTA. afr
  • Score: 11

9:10am Wed 6 Aug 14

The lev says...

the bit that made me laugh was when they said , we will not sign average players.............
.get yourselves down the training ground chaps , and you will see plenty of average players.
the bit that made me laugh was when they said , we will not sign average players............. .get yourselves down the training ground chaps , and you will see plenty of average players. The lev
  • Score: 10

9:14am Wed 6 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
You miss out a few points,
If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales,
The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again,
Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG)
Nothing much has changed has it?
For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time?
How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time..
I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.
Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.
The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets
Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.
No, you're making the same mistake Barber made. The average "churn" across football is 5% - 10%, i.e. 5% - 10% of season ticket holders as at end of the previous season don't renew.

What Barber said was that season ticket sales are 7% down on "this time last year". That's a completely different comparison and is a real drop in season ticket sales. It means that people who haven't renewed aren't being replaced and that's a real concern.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.[/p][/quote]Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.[/p][/quote]The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets[/p][/quote]Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.[/p][/quote]No, you're making the same mistake Barber made. The average "churn" across football is 5% - 10%, i.e. 5% - 10% of season ticket holders as at end of the previous season don't renew. What Barber said was that season ticket sales are 7% down on "this time last year". That's a completely different comparison and is a real drop in season ticket sales. It means that people who haven't renewed aren't being replaced and that's a real concern. Quiterie
  • Score: 7

9:15am Wed 6 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

bbb1969 wrote:
I am fed up with fans saying "look where we were 4 years ago; remember Withdean, Gillingham etc... ; well I for one don't want to look back or actually want to go back to those times. I want to look to the future but the fundamental needs of a great football club is to have a full team. Losing out on Clayton is so bad especially to boro so really hope this was Clayton personal choice and not the money. When we have Kaz and Lua Lua injured then I will start to worry. There should be none of this "he cannot play a full 90 minute", rubbish. Will support whatever team goes out but please lets not keep reminding peopl how bad it was cos it aint helping.
Not if we believe Boro overpaid.
Also, we can't offer being located in north England.
I don't know if this is what happened but if you had the choice between £10k pw and not having to move your family far away or £12k pw and having to move your family far away, which would you choose? I'd go for the former but every one is different. Things are always more complicated than we think.
[quote][p][bold]bbb1969[/bold] wrote: I am fed up with fans saying "look where we were 4 years ago; remember Withdean, Gillingham etc... ; well I for one don't want to look back or actually want to go back to those times. I want to look to the future but the fundamental needs of a great football club is to have a full team. Losing out on Clayton is so bad especially to boro so really hope this was Clayton personal choice and not the money. When we have Kaz and Lua Lua injured then I will start to worry. There should be none of this "he cannot play a full 90 minute", rubbish. Will support whatever team goes out but please lets not keep reminding peopl how bad it was cos it aint helping.[/p][/quote]Not if we believe Boro overpaid. Also, we can't offer being located in north England. I don't know if this is what happened but if you had the choice between £10k pw and not having to move your family far away or £12k pw and having to move your family far away, which would you choose? I'd go for the former but every one is different. Things are always more complicated than we think. Hazey James
  • Score: 1

9:24am Wed 6 Aug 14

pablobrowno says...

Baldseagull wrote:
Grendel wrote:
I can only assume that we are not interested in Ward. Wolves don't want him, he's on record as saying he'd like to return, we need a left back, but adjourning to Kenny Jackett we haven't been in touch. Maybe it's all sorted and we are just letting Wolves pay his wages for as long as possible? Who knows?
That quote from Jackett was weeks ago.

Naylor got slated yesterday for his reports of almost done deals not being correct and possibly enticing increased offers from elsewhere, a bit unlikely in my opinion, but I think this quote, at this time, is a bit of revenge mischief from Naylor.
Correct.
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grendel[/bold] wrote: I can only assume that we are not interested in Ward. Wolves don't want him, he's on record as saying he'd like to return, we need a left back, but adjourning to Kenny Jackett we haven't been in touch. Maybe it's all sorted and we are just letting Wolves pay his wages for as long as possible? Who knows?[/p][/quote]That quote from Jackett was weeks ago. Naylor got slated yesterday for his reports of almost done deals not being correct and possibly enticing increased offers from elsewhere, a bit unlikely in my opinion, but I think this quote, at this time, is a bit of revenge mischief from Naylor.[/p][/quote]Correct. pablobrowno
  • Score: 1

9:25am Wed 6 Aug 14

JeffLomer says...

We can all moan we ain't git more players in fir the start of season, but we have a squad wt the moment good enough to beat Wednesday on Saturday, let's look forward to the new season and we should all get behind Hyppia and the lads on the pitch, one thing if you want to moan at the game don't bother coming, the Amex should be a stadium known for great atmosphere but it's not so let's bring our singing heads and make the place rock,
I'm coming 200 miles to get behind the boys, three points on sat should cheer some moaning people on here up
Up the Albion!!
We can all moan we ain't git more players in fir the start of season, but we have a squad wt the moment good enough to beat Wednesday on Saturday, let's look forward to the new season and we should all get behind Hyppia and the lads on the pitch, one thing if you want to moan at the game don't bother coming, the Amex should be a stadium known for great atmosphere but it's not so let's bring our singing heads and make the place rock, I'm coming 200 miles to get behind the boys, three points on sat should cheer some moaning people on here up Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 6

9:29am Wed 6 Aug 14

Claude Back says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap?
With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ...
If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened,
The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere,
I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ?
We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs !
I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B?
We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?
You and your flippin' season ticket Mark! Anyone would think you're the only one who has one. Oh... hang on a moment... you soon might be!! 😉

UTA and bring on Wednesday on Saturday!!
Mark's got a Season Ticket?
Now that is news. Better tell Andy Naylor.
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap? With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ... If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened, The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere, I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ? We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs ! I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B? We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?[/p][/quote]You and your flippin' season ticket Mark! Anyone would think you're the only one who has one. Oh... hang on a moment... you soon might be!! 😉 UTA and bring on Wednesday on Saturday!![/p][/quote]Mark's got a Season Ticket? Now that is news. Better tell Andy Naylor. Claude Back
  • Score: 5

9:31am Wed 6 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

Morning All! IMO our squad at this moment in time is weaker than this time last year, no ward Upson or Ulloa. If you look at our first six/Seven league fixtures they should of all been winnable with a stronger squad. Now we will be scratching around for points, This will not be Hypia's fault but you can bet the suits will finger point when really it will be theirs. What could of been a fantastic start to the season will now be a shambles because the powers that be did not have the bloody foresight to look at the football side(fixtures) rather than just the commercial side!. Take 15 points from 21 and people would happily part with their money and come to the Amex. Take 6 from 21and you can wave goodbye to a lot of income!!
Not as articulate as others may put it but I hope you get the jist!😳
Have a good all!
Morning All! IMO our squad at this moment in time is weaker than this time last year, no ward Upson or Ulloa. If you look at our first six/Seven league fixtures they should of all been winnable with a stronger squad. Now we will be scratching around for points, This will not be Hypia's fault but you can bet the suits will finger point when really it will be theirs. What could of been a fantastic start to the season will now be a shambles because the powers that be did not have the bloody foresight to look at the football side(fixtures) rather than just the commercial side!. Take 15 points from 21 and people would happily part with their money and come to the Amex. Take 6 from 21and you can wave goodbye to a lot of income!! Not as articulate as others may put it but I hope you get the jist!😳 Have a good all! Conelli98
  • Score: 0

9:32am Wed 6 Aug 14

Claude Back says...

Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
All your geese are swans aren't they?
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]All your geese are swans aren't they? Claude Back
  • Score: 3

9:37am Wed 6 Aug 14

Claude Back says...

JeffLomer wrote:
We can all moan we ain't git more players in fir the start of season, but we have a squad wt the moment good enough to beat Wednesday on Saturday, let's look forward to the new season and we should all get behind Hyppia and the lads on the pitch, one thing if you want to moan at the game don't bother coming, the Amex should be a stadium known for great atmosphere but it's not so let's bring our singing heads and make the place rock,
I'm coming 200 miles to get behind the boys, three points on sat should cheer some moaning people on here up
Up the Albion!!
' I'm coming 200 miles to get behind the boys.'
I shouldn't shout that around if I were you.That's free legal advice.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: We can all moan we ain't git more players in fir the start of season, but we have a squad wt the moment good enough to beat Wednesday on Saturday, let's look forward to the new season and we should all get behind Hyppia and the lads on the pitch, one thing if you want to moan at the game don't bother coming, the Amex should be a stadium known for great atmosphere but it's not so let's bring our singing heads and make the place rock, I'm coming 200 miles to get behind the boys, three points on sat should cheer some moaning people on here up Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]' I'm coming 200 miles to get behind the boys.' I shouldn't shout that around if I were you.That's free legal advice. Claude Back
  • Score: 11

9:39am Wed 6 Aug 14

WisdomSpeaks says...

Hazey James wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion!
I am definitely not inside the club. It is not hard to know more than the very little that most on here know.

I don't see how anything over the past 5 seasons could be seen as negative. The overwhelming trajectory has been up. I believe this will continue.
Yes and the people most responsible for that upward trajectory have all left the club. It's not Chairman and D o F's who make that happen. Yes, of course the Chairman/Owner is very important and I, like most others' have the highest respect and gratitude to Tony Bloom for the financial backing he has given the club.

However, it is true, I believe, that he is a gambler. That's how he made the start of his fortunes and good luck to him I have absolutely no judgment whatsoever about that fact. All I do have is an observation that that is not particularly a 'people' business and that's the part I'm suggesting where he may have lost his way.

It seems clear to me that the two top men he brought in are not particularly 'people' people either.

So I'm only stating facts in my observation. You do not achieve goals by aiming at lower ones. I respect that you might not 'hit the target' when aiming for the Moon - but you might still hit the Stars. His comment shocked me for the top man.
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion![/p][/quote]I am definitely not inside the club. It is not hard to know more than the very little that most on here know. I don't see how anything over the past 5 seasons could be seen as negative. The overwhelming trajectory has been up. I believe this will continue.[/p][/quote]Yes and the people most responsible for that upward trajectory have all left the club. It's not Chairman and D o F's who make that happen. Yes, of course the Chairman/Owner is very important and I, like most others' have the highest respect and gratitude to Tony Bloom for the financial backing he has given the club. However, it is true, I believe, that he is a gambler. That's how he made the start of his fortunes and good luck to him I have absolutely no judgment whatsoever about that fact. All I do have is an observation that that is not particularly a 'people' business and that's the part I'm suggesting where he may have lost his way. It seems clear to me that the two top men he brought in are not particularly 'people' people either. So I'm only stating facts in my observation. You do not achieve goals by aiming at lower ones. I respect that you might not 'hit the target' when aiming for the Moon - but you might still hit the Stars. His comment shocked me for the top man. WisdomSpeaks
  • Score: 5

9:40am Wed 6 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

Plutomania wrote:
Expect lots of thumbs down on this but here goes.

What a lot of rubbish last night. Bloom -Burke-Sammy all sitting there expecting to get put through the ringer and what happened.
All questions were some what all non- conciliatory - tame -passionless
Peoples tones were like ,Apologizing to utter vebal concerns at the running of our club to the suit men.
Blooms replies were, I think script written.To me he does not seem to have the fire-passion anymore. Seems to be too lay back, she`ll be right attitude- what will happen will happen. Perhaps living in the fat too much
Sammy I did not think had a gram of energy in him, did`nt seem to want to be there, attitude. Does not bode well if he does not know much about players side of business. I hope he has more drive in him on match days.
The club seems to be in a go slow mode.

I am very open on what I think of Gus,but one thing I am sure about is.

GUS had, drive- passion - commitment-,he oozed energy- positiveness.
When he was on the side line ,the fire in his belly-the adrenalin rubbed off on the players ,supporters alike , when he shouted we all shouted and most of all he infected th management, it was if a storm was brewing at Withdean and into the Amex. Everything he said at forums and on TV and interviews bought life and fresh air into the arena

What did I hear last night, 3 damp squids up on the podium lacking FIRE in their Bellies.Saying We`ll be Right , still 3 weeks to go before the transfer window closes. BUT without much conviction.

I hope I am wrong
And it's a thumbs UP from me. Like many, I was disappointed, to say the least, with last night's forum. No searching questions, bland replies, Sami seemed to be towing the party line, the chairman told us nothing we didn't already know and there was more talk about finances and telephone calls, than the only thing that I'm really interested in - what happens on the pitch. Sami seems like a nice guy, but he didn't exactly enthuse or exude personality - hope he's better with the players. However, I will reserve judgement for a month or so, in the hope that we do what was promised last night.
[quote][p][bold]Plutomania[/bold] wrote: Expect lots of thumbs down on this but here goes. What a lot of rubbish last night. Bloom -Burke-Sammy all sitting there expecting to get put through the ringer and what happened. All questions were some what all non- conciliatory - tame -passionless Peoples tones were like ,Apologizing to utter vebal concerns at the running of our club to the suit men. Blooms replies were, I think script written.To me he does not seem to have the fire-passion anymore. Seems to be too lay back, she`ll be right attitude- what will happen will happen. Perhaps living in the fat too much Sammy I did not think had a gram of energy in him, did`nt seem to want to be there, attitude. Does not bode well if he does not know much about players side of business. I hope he has more drive in him on match days. The club seems to be in a go slow mode. I am very open on what I think of Gus,but one thing I am sure about is. GUS had, drive- passion - commitment-,he oozed energy- positiveness. When he was on the side line ,the fire in his belly-the adrenalin rubbed off on the players ,supporters alike , when he shouted we all shouted and most of all he infected th management, it was if a storm was brewing at Withdean and into the Amex. Everything he said at forums and on TV and interviews bought life and fresh air into the arena What did I hear last night, 3 damp squids up on the podium lacking FIRE in their Bellies.Saying We`ll be Right , still 3 weeks to go before the transfer window closes. BUT without much conviction. I hope I am wrong[/p][/quote]And it's a thumbs UP from me. Like many, I was disappointed, to say the least, with last night's forum. No searching questions, bland replies, Sami seemed to be towing the party line, the chairman told us nothing we didn't already know and there was more talk about finances and telephone calls, than the only thing that I'm really interested in - what happens on the pitch. Sami seems like a nice guy, but he didn't exactly enthuse or exude personality - hope he's better with the players. However, I will reserve judgement for a month or so, in the hope that we do what was promised last night. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 5

9:43am Wed 6 Aug 14

lenward says...

I can not say that I was happy with what Tony Bloom said about keeping tight lipped about signings. Alright things may go wrong for what ever reason, but to my thinking they is no harm in saying who they are interested in, and if the club were not so tight lipped about things, the Argus or us will not have to speculate to what is going on. If they think we are so fantastic supporters, why don't they trust us a little more.
I can not say that I was happy with what Tony Bloom said about keeping tight lipped about signings. Alright things may go wrong for what ever reason, but to my thinking they is no harm in saying who they are interested in, and if the club were not so tight lipped about things, the Argus or us will not have to speculate to what is going on. If they think we are so fantastic supporters, why don't they trust us a little more. lenward
  • Score: -3

9:53am Wed 6 Aug 14

brightonup says...

lenward wrote:
I can not say that I was happy with what Tony Bloom said about keeping tight lipped about signings. Alright things may go wrong for what ever reason, but to my thinking they is no harm in saying who they are interested in, and if the club were not so tight lipped about things, the Argus or us will not have to speculate to what is going on. If they think we are so fantastic supporters, why don't they trust us a little more.
Middlesborough played a clever hand in gaining Clayton's signature. They expressed an interest and the went to ground 'watching developments' and then moving in for 'the kill'....
The Board really do need to move stealthily to get the players we need - and as for speculation - well it is just a more respectable word for idle gossip which will never go away...

I say, keep tight lipped and we can approve or not the outcome of your dealings!
[quote][p][bold]lenward[/bold] wrote: I can not say that I was happy with what Tony Bloom said about keeping tight lipped about signings. Alright things may go wrong for what ever reason, but to my thinking they is no harm in saying who they are interested in, and if the club were not so tight lipped about things, the Argus or us will not have to speculate to what is going on. If they think we are so fantastic supporters, why don't they trust us a little more.[/p][/quote]Middlesborough played a clever hand in gaining Clayton's signature. They expressed an interest and the went to ground 'watching developments' and then moving in for 'the kill'.... The Board really do need to move stealthily to get the players we need - and as for speculation - well it is just a more respectable word for idle gossip which will never go away... I say, keep tight lipped and we can approve or not the outcome of your dealings! brightonup
  • Score: 0

10:07am Wed 6 Aug 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

I can think of a much better situation to be in but let's not push the panic button just yet.
I'm prepared to wait and see what Sami's first competitive team produces on Saturday and most importantly get behind the players.
Let's create a great atmosphere and cheer the Albion to victory. UTA
I can think of a much better situation to be in but let's not push the panic button just yet. I'm prepared to wait and see what Sami's first competitive team produces on Saturday and most importantly get behind the players. Let's create a great atmosphere and cheer the Albion to victory. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 7

10:15am Wed 6 Aug 14

JeffLomer says...

Claude Back wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
We can all moan we ain't git more players in fir the start of season, but we have a squad wt the moment good enough to beat Wednesday on Saturday, let's look forward to the new season and we should all get behind Hyppia and the lads on the pitch, one thing if you want to moan at the game don't bother coming, the Amex should be a stadium known for great atmosphere but it's not so let's bring our singing heads and make the place rock,
I'm coming 200 miles to get behind the boys, three points on sat should cheer some moaning people on here up
Up the Albion!!
' I'm coming 200 miles to get behind the boys.'
I shouldn't shout that around if I were you.That's free legal advice.
Morning Claude still the usual rubbish out your mouth, morning!!
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: We can all moan we ain't git more players in fir the start of season, but we have a squad wt the moment good enough to beat Wednesday on Saturday, let's look forward to the new season and we should all get behind Hyppia and the lads on the pitch, one thing if you want to moan at the game don't bother coming, the Amex should be a stadium known for great atmosphere but it's not so let's bring our singing heads and make the place rock, I'm coming 200 miles to get behind the boys, three points on sat should cheer some moaning people on here up Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]' I'm coming 200 miles to get behind the boys.' I shouldn't shout that around if I were you.That's free legal advice.[/p][/quote]Morning Claude still the usual rubbish out your mouth, morning!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -2

10:15am Wed 6 Aug 14

albionfan33 says...

I dont know if anyone has said this yet as i havent read all comments. The most telling thing for me was when tb didnt give a prediction for where he wanted us to finish. I was surprised to say the least as we are in the 4th of a 5 year plan. I would of hoped we would have a squad ready to be pushing for a top 4 finish as a minimum requirement and all stops pulled out in bringing at least 6 quality signings in ( we have 3) in my view. And at this time before the start of the season we should only be looking at bringing exceptional players (for our budget) in alla vicente etc but without doubt the core should be in and itching to play as it stands we should be greatfull we are playing some percieved weaker sides to start with hopefully that will offset our shortfall until new players arrive. I live in hope as always UTA
I dont know if anyone has said this yet as i havent read all comments. The most telling thing for me was when tb didnt give a prediction for where he wanted us to finish. I was surprised to say the least as we are in the 4th of a 5 year plan. I would of hoped we would have a squad ready to be pushing for a top 4 finish as a minimum requirement and all stops pulled out in bringing at least 6 quality signings in ( we have 3) in my view. And at this time before the start of the season we should only be looking at bringing exceptional players (for our budget) in alla vicente etc but without doubt the core should be in and itching to play as it stands we should be greatfull we are playing some percieved weaker sides to start with hopefully that will offset our shortfall until new players arrive. I live in hope as always UTA albionfan33
  • Score: 1

10:16am Wed 6 Aug 14

Neville says...

Ringtone
Good news you wanted some stellar players I hear we are about sign french midfielder Artois
Ringtone Good news you wanted some stellar players I hear we are about sign french midfielder Artois Neville
  • Score: 1

10:18am Wed 6 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

Why wasn't David Burke at the forum last night? Surely the one man everyone wants to question.....what's your policy when identifying targets, why have we missed out on certain players, what input does the manager have, how does the process work, what areas are we looking to strengthen.....etc etc. Instead we get vague promises, platitudes and a lecture on financial responsibility. Personally, I don't give a rats tail for FFP, sales of pies or churning supporters, I think Paul Barber is doing a good job and I'm glad he's doing it, but I'm much more interested in the team and the direction we are taking. It all seems a bit aimless at the moment. Maybe Gus was right, maybe we have hit the ceiling and if we want to continue to progress, we might need some additional investment.
Why wasn't David Burke at the forum last night? Surely the one man everyone wants to question.....what's your policy when identifying targets, why have we missed out on certain players, what input does the manager have, how does the process work, what areas are we looking to strengthen.....etc etc. Instead we get vague promises, platitudes and a lecture on financial responsibility. Personally, I don't give a rats tail for FFP, sales of pies or churning supporters, I think Paul Barber is doing a good job and I'm glad he's doing it, but I'm much more interested in the team and the direction we are taking. It all seems a bit aimless at the moment. Maybe Gus was right, maybe we have hit the ceiling and if we want to continue to progress, we might need some additional investment. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 6

10:23am Wed 6 Aug 14

Sid East Brighton says...

mark by the sea wrote:
My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap?
With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ...
If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened,
The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere,
I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ?
We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs !
I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B?
We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?
Agree. The season starts this weekend. Will we get a rebate on our season tickets until the squad is finalized.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap? With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ... If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened, The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere, I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ? We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs ! I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B? We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?[/p][/quote]Agree. The season starts this weekend. Will we get a rebate on our season tickets until the squad is finalized. Sid East Brighton
  • Score: -2

10:23am Wed 6 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion.

Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions.

I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags'

First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL!

The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F.

PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual.

So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well.

Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was.

My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark.

The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion!
Much incorrect in what you write (far, far too much 'woo' - by the way NLP is a generally derided and discredited pseudo-science), but you keep banging on about Brendan Rodgers. Do you honestly think he can fulfil both roles of head coach and head of recruitment? If he does one properly he CANNOT have the time to do the other properly. Each job is a full-time post that will take what, 60-70 hours a week? Unless he can survive with no sleep then he will need help in one or both facets.

Harry Redknapp loves getting involved in deals (someone has to make sure they're too old and far too expensive!) but he leaves the coaching to someone else. One man cannot do both, and Barber made that quite clear. Every club has someone in a DOF-type role, no matter the title. In Liverpool's case that may well be Rodgers himself, but don't think he can spend enough time on that without neglecting his primary job.

Other than that you are one of the posters on here I most look forward to reading :-)
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion![/p][/quote]Much incorrect in what you write (far, far too much 'woo' - by the way NLP is a generally derided and discredited pseudo-science), but you keep banging on about Brendan Rodgers. Do you honestly think he can fulfil both roles of head coach and head of recruitment? If he does one properly he CANNOT have the time to do the other properly. Each job is a full-time post that will take what, 60-70 hours a week? Unless he can survive with no sleep then he will need help in one or both facets. Harry Redknapp loves getting involved in deals (someone has to make sure they're too old and far too expensive!) but he leaves the coaching to someone else. One man cannot do both, and Barber made that quite clear. Every club has someone in a DOF-type role, no matter the title. In Liverpool's case that may well be Rodgers himself, but don't think he can spend enough time on that without neglecting his primary job. Other than that you are one of the posters on here I most look forward to reading :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 0

10:25am Wed 6 Aug 14

Sid East Brighton says...

Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
I don't know you. But am I one of your 99%
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]I don't know you. But am I one of your 99% Sid East Brighton
  • Score: 0

10:32am Wed 6 Aug 14

Claude Back says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
We can all moan we ain't git more players in fir the start of season, but we have a squad wt the moment good enough to beat Wednesday on Saturday, let's look forward to the new season and we should all get behind Hyppia and the lads on the pitch, one thing if you want to moan at the game don't bother coming, the Amex should be a stadium known for great atmosphere but it's not so let's bring our singing heads and make the place rock,
I'm coming 200 miles to get behind the boys, three points on sat should cheer some moaning people on here up
Up the Albion!!
' I'm coming 200 miles to get behind the boys.'
I shouldn't shout that around if I were you.That's free legal advice.
Morning Claude still the usual rubbish out your mouth, morning!!
It was a joke, Jeff. Glad you appreciated it. ;-)
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: We can all moan we ain't git more players in fir the start of season, but we have a squad wt the moment good enough to beat Wednesday on Saturday, let's look forward to the new season and we should all get behind Hyppia and the lads on the pitch, one thing if you want to moan at the game don't bother coming, the Amex should be a stadium known for great atmosphere but it's not so let's bring our singing heads and make the place rock, I'm coming 200 miles to get behind the boys, three points on sat should cheer some moaning people on here up Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]' I'm coming 200 miles to get behind the boys.' I shouldn't shout that around if I were you.That's free legal advice.[/p][/quote]Morning Claude still the usual rubbish out your mouth, morning!![/p][/quote]It was a joke, Jeff. Glad you appreciated it. ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 5

10:36am Wed 6 Aug 14

dinobha says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
It seems to me the level of disquiet this morning is based around a feeling of "us and them" ?
The view that they don't care about the fans, seems purely based around the lack of signings - a fact I'm as frustrated about as anyone - and when there's frustration, fans vent their spleen about everything they can.
Suddenly, the pies are too expensive, the beer is too warm, but, mysteriously, a decent signing or two usually turns up the economy and turns down the chillers.
It's easy to say 'they don't care' when all we want is a competitive squad and a bit of optimism. Listening on the internet last night, I heard what I regard as some sound, solid consistent thinking, but I'll be the first to admit it needs backing up with some sound, solid (and immediate) action.
Then Paul Barber won't have to explain the philosophy on ticket prices because, frankly, we won't care.
We have the best ground in the Championship, the best beer (Harvey's), the best pies, the best seats, even the best toilets and when it rocks the best atmosphere in the Championship so "The suits" are getting something right. I for one am happy to pay a pound or two more for the privilege. You only have to go to a couple of away games to see the rubbish being served up elsewhere. Granted, I would love to see a marquee signing or two arriving but for now I will be patient and believe in the people who delivered all of the above. Those that don't appreciate it don't have to go. I will still be pinching myself as I get off the (free) train at Falmer and walk up to The Amex on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: It seems to me the level of disquiet this morning is based around a feeling of "us and them" ? The view that they don't care about the fans, seems purely based around the lack of signings - a fact I'm as frustrated about as anyone - and when there's frustration, fans vent their spleen about everything they can. Suddenly, the pies are too expensive, the beer is too warm, but, mysteriously, a decent signing or two usually turns up the economy and turns down the chillers. It's easy to say 'they don't care' when all we want is a competitive squad and a bit of optimism. Listening on the internet last night, I heard what I regard as some sound, solid consistent thinking, but I'll be the first to admit it needs backing up with some sound, solid (and immediate) action. Then Paul Barber won't have to explain the philosophy on ticket prices because, frankly, we won't care.[/p][/quote]We have the best ground in the Championship, the best beer (Harvey's), the best pies, the best seats, even the best toilets and when it rocks the best atmosphere in the Championship so "The suits" are getting something right. I for one am happy to pay a pound or two more for the privilege. You only have to go to a couple of away games to see the rubbish being served up elsewhere. Granted, I would love to see a marquee signing or two arriving but for now I will be patient and believe in the people who delivered all of the above. Those that don't appreciate it don't have to go. I will still be pinching myself as I get off the (free) train at Falmer and walk up to The Amex on Saturday. dinobha
  • Score: 12

10:37am Wed 6 Aug 14

Claude Back says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion.

Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions.

I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags'

First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL!

The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F.

PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual.

So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well.

Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was.

My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark.

The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion!
Much incorrect in what you write (far, far too much 'woo' - by the way NLP is a generally derided and discredited pseudo-science), but you keep banging on about Brendan Rodgers. Do you honestly think he can fulfil both roles of head coach and head of recruitment? If he does one properly he CANNOT have the time to do the other properly. Each job is a full-time post that will take what, 60-70 hours a week? Unless he can survive with no sleep then he will need help in one or both facets.

Harry Redknapp loves getting involved in deals (someone has to make sure they're too old and far too expensive!) but he leaves the coaching to someone else. One man cannot do both, and Barber made that quite clear. Every club has someone in a DOF-type role, no matter the title. In Liverpool's case that may well be Rodgers himself, but don't think he can spend enough time on that without neglecting his primary job.

Other than that you are one of the posters on here I most look forward to reading :-)
Am I one of the others, Arnie? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion![/p][/quote]Much incorrect in what you write (far, far too much 'woo' - by the way NLP is a generally derided and discredited pseudo-science), but you keep banging on about Brendan Rodgers. Do you honestly think he can fulfil both roles of head coach and head of recruitment? If he does one properly he CANNOT have the time to do the other properly. Each job is a full-time post that will take what, 60-70 hours a week? Unless he can survive with no sleep then he will need help in one or both facets. Harry Redknapp loves getting involved in deals (someone has to make sure they're too old and far too expensive!) but he leaves the coaching to someone else. One man cannot do both, and Barber made that quite clear. Every club has someone in a DOF-type role, no matter the title. In Liverpool's case that may well be Rodgers himself, but don't think he can spend enough time on that without neglecting his primary job. Other than that you are one of the posters on here I most look forward to reading :-)[/p][/quote]Am I one of the others, Arnie? ;-) Claude Back
  • Score: 3

10:41am Wed 6 Aug 14

Aye Aye says...

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/28
661360
http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/28 661360 Aye Aye
  • Score: 0

10:41am Wed 6 Aug 14

Claude Back says...

Neville wrote:
Ringtone
Good news you wanted some stellar players I hear we are about sign french midfielder Artois
Nice. He's the glass half full type we need now.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Ringtone Good news you wanted some stellar players I hear we are about sign french midfielder Artois[/p][/quote]Nice. He's the glass half full type we need now. Claude Back
  • Score: 7

10:47am Wed 6 Aug 14

Claude Back says...

Quiterie wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Sorry, I stopped reading when you said you know more than 99% of people who post on here..... Get You!!!!!
I agree,Quiterie, I have told him a hundred billion billion times not to exaggerate.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Sorry, I stopped reading when you said you know more than 99% of people who post on here..... Get You!!!!![/p][/quote]I agree,Quiterie, I have told him a hundred billion billion times not to exaggerate. Claude Back
  • Score: 8

10:51am Wed 6 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Claude Back wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion.

Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions.

I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags'

First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL!

The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F.

PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual.

So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well.

Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was.

My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark.

The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion!
Much incorrect in what you write (far, far too much 'woo' - by the way NLP is a generally derided and discredited pseudo-science), but you keep banging on about Brendan Rodgers. Do you honestly think he can fulfil both roles of head coach and head of recruitment? If he does one properly he CANNOT have the time to do the other properly. Each job is a full-time post that will take what, 60-70 hours a week? Unless he can survive with no sleep then he will need help in one or both facets.

Harry Redknapp loves getting involved in deals (someone has to make sure they're too old and far too expensive!) but he leaves the coaching to someone else. One man cannot do both, and Barber made that quite clear. Every club has someone in a DOF-type role, no matter the title. In Liverpool's case that may well be Rodgers himself, but don't think he can spend enough time on that without neglecting his primary job.

Other than that you are one of the posters on here I most look forward to reading :-)
Am I one of the others, Arnie? ;-)
If I need a chuckle, yes... ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion![/p][/quote]Much incorrect in what you write (far, far too much 'woo' - by the way NLP is a generally derided and discredited pseudo-science), but you keep banging on about Brendan Rodgers. Do you honestly think he can fulfil both roles of head coach and head of recruitment? If he does one properly he CANNOT have the time to do the other properly. Each job is a full-time post that will take what, 60-70 hours a week? Unless he can survive with no sleep then he will need help in one or both facets. Harry Redknapp loves getting involved in deals (someone has to make sure they're too old and far too expensive!) but he leaves the coaching to someone else. One man cannot do both, and Barber made that quite clear. Every club has someone in a DOF-type role, no matter the title. In Liverpool's case that may well be Rodgers himself, but don't think he can spend enough time on that without neglecting his primary job. Other than that you are one of the posters on here I most look forward to reading :-)[/p][/quote]Am I one of the others, Arnie? ;-)[/p][/quote]If I need a chuckle, yes... ;-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 6

10:51am Wed 6 Aug 14

Clean Sheet says...

Why do people think our squad is so much weaker this season? We have replaced pretty much all the regular players, Stockdale for TK, Hughes for Upson, Toko for Bridders, CoG for Barnes, and we have CMS back this season for Ulloa. We need Ward or similar at LB, and maybe someone to replace Orlandi, but this does not feel a disaster to me. For those who think the club should be spending millions on "names", well, get your chequebooks out. It is always very easy to spend other peoples money!
Why do people think our squad is so much weaker this season? We have replaced pretty much all the regular players, Stockdale for TK, Hughes for Upson, Toko for Bridders, CoG for Barnes, and we have CMS back this season for Ulloa. We need Ward or similar at LB, and maybe someone to replace Orlandi, but this does not feel a disaster to me. For those who think the club should be spending millions on "names", well, get your chequebooks out. It is always very easy to spend other peoples money! Clean Sheet
  • Score: 11

10:52am Wed 6 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Aye Aye wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk

/sport/0/football/28

661360
He looks very useful. Why has Burke not signed him yet? BARBER OUT!
[quote][p][bold]Aye Aye[/bold] wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/28 661360[/p][/quote]He looks very useful. Why has Burke not signed him yet? BARBER OUT! Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

10:58am Wed 6 Aug 14

Mad Mark says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
One other thing that seemed to be clear last night was Tony Bloom's veiled, yet clear, criticism of The Argus.

Please remember Tony. The pen is mightier than the sword! These guys, despite the fact that their interests often clash with the interests of the club, have their own job to do . It is part of your executive's and senior staff's job to work in a harmonious relationship with them .

I find it interesting that there was a time recently when all their articles seemed to be so positively supportive of the club. Things seemed to have changed there as well. We also do not seem to get as much coverage as a club from the national press despite achieving reaching the play offs the past two seasons.

People do business with people - when they're made to feel welcome, listened to and respected. I hope that applies to the press too at our club!
The problem arises from a sincere dislike of Andy Naylor from the club, the guy is a very poor excuse of a journalist, when no news is forthcoming from the club he has a habit of raking up old stories or plain fantasy. Where did the story come from about the imminent signing of Clayton, Baldock and Ward come from, for me it is worse to raise peoples hopes regarding good players signing and then three days later reporting that they are signing for another championship side, this disappointment is far worse than not knowing when or if players are coming. Please Mr Naylor state 'the club are refusing to talk regarding possible transfers' which is far better than making up garbage just to fill your day
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: One other thing that seemed to be clear last night was Tony Bloom's veiled, yet clear, criticism of The Argus. Please remember Tony. The pen is mightier than the sword! These guys, despite the fact that their interests often clash with the interests of the club, have their own job to do . It is part of your executive's and senior staff's job to work in a harmonious relationship with them . I find it interesting that there was a time recently when all their articles seemed to be so positively supportive of the club. Things seemed to have changed there as well. We also do not seem to get as much coverage as a club from the national press despite achieving reaching the play offs the past two seasons. People do business with people - when they're made to feel welcome, listened to and respected. I hope that applies to the press too at our club![/p][/quote]The problem arises from a sincere dislike of Andy Naylor from the club, the guy is a very poor excuse of a journalist, when no news is forthcoming from the club he has a habit of raking up old stories or plain fantasy. Where did the story come from about the imminent signing of Clayton, Baldock and Ward come from, for me it is worse to raise peoples hopes regarding good players signing and then three days later reporting that they are signing for another championship side, this disappointment is far worse than not knowing when or if players are coming. Please Mr Naylor state 'the club are refusing to talk regarding possible transfers' which is far better than making up garbage just to fill your day Mad Mark
  • Score: 5

11:01am Wed 6 Aug 14

Aye Aye says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Aye Aye wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk


/sport/0/football/28


661360
He looks very useful. Why has Burke not signed him yet? BARBER OUT!
Talk about salt in the wound!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Aye Aye[/bold] wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/28 661360[/p][/quote]He looks very useful. Why has Burke not signed him yet? BARBER OUT![/p][/quote]Talk about salt in the wound! Aye Aye
  • Score: 4

11:04am Wed 6 Aug 14

fratsomrover says...

What a miserable lot of supporters we have on here today !!
But then from what I'm reading some of them aren't supporters at all.
" I'm not going to come until they buy someone" ??
How pathetic !
Supporters support teams through thick and thin. They are there wind rain or snow. They are there even if we have to play at Gillingham !!
True hard core supporters will always be there supporting their team, no matter what !!
The club has advanced so much over the last few seasons, I dont understand why people cant see that.
I have confidence in Bloom, Barber, Burke and Hyypia to get us success.
It wont be overnight, but it will happen.
So do stop whinging. Get behind everyone and support whoever it is who pulls on that shirt on Saturday.
The future's bright----- The futures blue & white !!
What a miserable lot of supporters we have on here today !! But then from what I'm reading some of them aren't supporters at all. " I'm not going to come until they buy someone" ?? How pathetic ! Supporters support teams through thick and thin. They are there wind rain or snow. They are there even if we have to play at Gillingham !! True hard core supporters will always be there supporting their team, no matter what !! The club has advanced so much over the last few seasons, I dont understand why people cant see that. I have confidence in Bloom, Barber, Burke and Hyypia to get us success. It wont be overnight, but it will happen. So do stop whinging. Get behind everyone and support whoever it is who pulls on that shirt on Saturday. The future's bright----- The futures blue & white !! fratsomrover
  • Score: 5

11:10am Wed 6 Aug 14

tug509 says...

Hazey James wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap?
With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ...
If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened,
The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere,
I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ?
We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs !
I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B?
We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?
It's called negotiation mate. It's what happens in the adult world. Time is a huge factor and, unfortunately, the transfer window ends 3 weeks after the season starts (which is ridiculous).

The better price we get, the more and better quality players we can have. Simple facts. You need to grow up and live in the real world.

How did all these people refusing to now buy season tickets get on when we were losing out to Leyton Orient for Lorenzo Pinnamonte? I doubt they were even going to the football then.

This is a football which we support and want to do well. We ave no divine right to have any specific players for one bloke to spend hundreds of millions of his own money. Thankfully we do but we should just enjoy that and be grateful. We've never had it so good.
Pull your neck in HJ ,or do you intend to insult everyone on here who doesn`t agree with all that pony last night ,if you choose to swallow up all this garbage about waiting for the best players until right at the 11th hour ,that's up to you ,what that means is that all the worst players are snapped up early and all the good ones are left on the shelf ,just waiting for Burke to pick off at random and at a reduced price ,are you really that naïve ?.
You might want to consider that the people on here that you are insulting ,have earn`t the right to their view ,paid for by trapesing around the country all year long watching and supporting The Albion ,have you earn`t the same right ? . and if you have you should know better .Personally I think you are on here to convince people to tow the party line ,hows that working out ?. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap? With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ... If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened, The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere, I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ? We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs ! I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B? We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?[/p][/quote]It's called negotiation mate. It's what happens in the adult world. Time is a huge factor and, unfortunately, the transfer window ends 3 weeks after the season starts (which is ridiculous). The better price we get, the more and better quality players we can have. Simple facts. You need to grow up and live in the real world. How did all these people refusing to now buy season tickets get on when we were losing out to Leyton Orient for Lorenzo Pinnamonte? I doubt they were even going to the football then. This is a football which we support and want to do well. We ave no divine right to have any specific players for one bloke to spend hundreds of millions of his own money. Thankfully we do but we should just enjoy that and be grateful. We've never had it so good.[/p][/quote]Pull your neck in HJ ,or do you intend to insult everyone on here who doesn`t agree with all that pony last night ,if you choose to swallow up all this garbage about waiting for the best players until right at the 11th hour ,that's up to you ,what that means is that all the worst players are snapped up early and all the good ones are left on the shelf ,just waiting for Burke to pick off at random and at a reduced price ,are you really that naïve ?. You might want to consider that the people on here that you are insulting ,have earn`t the right to their view ,paid for by trapesing around the country all year long watching and supporting The Albion ,have you earn`t the same right ? . and if you have you should know better .Personally I think you are on here to convince people to tow the party line ,hows that working out ?. UTA tug509
  • Score: 4

11:10am Wed 6 Aug 14

Havok82 says...

Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
After weeks of reading I've found a post I whole heartedly agree with. Pat on the back that man!
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]After weeks of reading I've found a post I whole heartedly agree with. Pat on the back that man! Havok82
  • Score: 5

11:18am Wed 6 Aug 14

Havok82 says...

Havok82 wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
After weeks of reading I've found a post I whole heartedly agree with. Pat on the back that man!
That woman sorry Hazel
[quote][p][bold]Havok82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]After weeks of reading I've found a post I whole heartedly agree with. Pat on the back that man![/p][/quote]That woman sorry Hazel Havok82
  • Score: -1

11:21am Wed 6 Aug 14

pjwilk says...

I dont know what Burke is doing on the phone all day but he is not buying players,probably ordering his shopping from Tesco and Iceland(i would investigate Tony) because these calls cost money and can save the club pounds.I think he is just waiting for the 3 weeks till near the end of the window to pick up bargain basement players or basically whats left .The transfer window should shut 3 weeks before the start of the season,in that way we will not be playing catch up,which we will never do.
I dont know what Burke is doing on the phone all day but he is not buying players,probably ordering his shopping from Tesco and Iceland(i would investigate Tony) because these calls cost money and can save the club pounds.I think he is just waiting for the 3 weeks till near the end of the window to pick up bargain basement players or basically whats left .The transfer window should shut 3 weeks before the start of the season,in that way we will not be playing catch up,which we will never do. pjwilk
  • Score: 6

11:22am Wed 6 Aug 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Claude Back wrote:
Neville wrote:
Ringtone
Good news you wanted some stellar players I hear we are about sign french midfielder Artois
Nice. He's the glass half full type we need now.
Stella artois is actually Belgian not french.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Ringtone Good news you wanted some stellar players I hear we are about sign french midfielder Artois[/p][/quote]Nice. He's the glass half full type we need now.[/p][/quote]Stella artois is actually Belgian not french. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -4

11:26am Wed 6 Aug 14

rolivan says...

Premiership clubs will be sorting out their squads will be offloading a few or more of their players and that will then bring into play either other premiership clubs or teams elsewhere being able to bid for these players which will have a snowball effect this is perhaps what TB and others are waiting for.
Premiership clubs will be sorting out their squads will be offloading a few or more of their players and that will then bring into play either other premiership clubs or teams elsewhere being able to bid for these players which will have a snowball effect this is perhaps what TB and others are waiting for. rolivan
  • Score: 7

11:28am Wed 6 Aug 14

pte says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
You miss out a few points,
If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales,
The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again,
Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG)
Nothing much has changed has it?
For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time?
How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time..
I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.
Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.
The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets
Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.
What? We had a waiting list for season tickets two years ago, forget the churn ( spin) we have lost 7% of our season ticket holders, name last time that happened?
I honestly think you believe anything without thinking! Churn is people moving, divorcing dying , that happens every year! You suck the spin in.
This churn is the same across all clubs, it was not at ours though was it when we went from 18000 season ticket holders to 24000 season ticket holders in two seasons, with a waiting list on both seasons..
Explain why sales drop ... It's called not wanting a season ticket!
The club look at it differently. When you see a drop in sales of 7% you think better buy some players to put bums on seats ie when the going gets tough the tough get going.

But when the club see a drop in receipts they get alarmed and cut costs accordingly in case the drop becomes a trend. In other words instead of planning for success they plan for failure

Bit like a shop whose sales have dropped because they have the wrong goods that no one wants. Instead of reducing their stock levels to pay the bills, they should buy more stock that people want or increase their stock levels so sales increase. But that takes confidence and strength but some people lose their nerve and just want to sit on their assets

Three years ago the club got promoted and immediately spent a million here and a million there on players and I thought wow this is reminiscent of the Bamber years. But 3 years later they still want to pay a million when the market has moved on
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.[/p][/quote]Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.[/p][/quote]The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets[/p][/quote]Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.[/p][/quote]What? We had a waiting list for season tickets two years ago, forget the churn ( spin) we have lost 7% of our season ticket holders, name last time that happened? I honestly think you believe anything without thinking! Churn is people moving, divorcing dying , that happens every year! You suck the spin in. This churn is the same across all clubs, it was not at ours though was it when we went from 18000 season ticket holders to 24000 season ticket holders in two seasons, with a waiting list on both seasons.. Explain why sales drop ... It's called not wanting a season ticket![/p][/quote]The club look at it differently. When you see a drop in sales of 7% you think better buy some players to put bums on seats ie when the going gets tough the tough get going. But when the club see a drop in receipts they get alarmed and cut costs accordingly in case the drop becomes a trend. In other words instead of planning for success they plan for failure Bit like a shop whose sales have dropped because they have the wrong goods that no one wants. Instead of reducing their stock levels to pay the bills, they should buy more stock that people want or increase their stock levels so sales increase. But that takes confidence and strength but some people lose their nerve and just want to sit on their assets Three years ago the club got promoted and immediately spent a million here and a million there on players and I thought wow this is reminiscent of the Bamber years. But 3 years later they still want to pay a million when the market has moved on pte
  • Score: 1

11:42am Wed 6 Aug 14

tug509 says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion.

Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions.

I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags'

First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL!

The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F.

PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual.

So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well.

Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was.

My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark.

The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion!
EXCELLENT POST WISDOM .
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT POST WISDOM . tug509
  • Score: 2

11:55am Wed 6 Aug 14

pjwilk says...

tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion.

Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions.

I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags'

First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL!

The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F.

PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual.

So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well.

Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was.

My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark.

The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion!
EXCELLENT POST WISDOM .
Totally agree,excellent post by someone who really feels whats happening at our club.We feel we are just feeding fodder to bring in money and be kept in the dark.To be honest i am feeling more isolated from the club every year.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT POST WISDOM .[/p][/quote]Totally agree,excellent post by someone who really feels whats happening at our club.We feel we are just feeding fodder to bring in money and be kept in the dark.To be honest i am feeling more isolated from the club every year. pjwilk
  • Score: 1

12:00pm Wed 6 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

pjwilk wrote:
tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion.

Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions.

I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags'

First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL!

The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F.

PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual.

So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well.

Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was.

My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark.

The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion!
EXCELLENT POST WISDOM .
Totally agree,excellent post by someone who really feels whats happening at our club.We feel we are just feeding fodder to bring in money and be kept in the dark.To be honest i am feeling more isolated from the club every year.
Wise words, mate. I too found it revealing that TB seemed to suggest that the only way we would be able to compete on an equal footing in this division would be to be promoted and then relegated, so we could benefit from parachute payments. Sounds like we may have hit the ceiling.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT POST WISDOM .[/p][/quote]Totally agree,excellent post by someone who really feels whats happening at our club.We feel we are just feeding fodder to bring in money and be kept in the dark.To be honest i am feeling more isolated from the club every year.[/p][/quote]Wise words, mate. I too found it revealing that TB seemed to suggest that the only way we would be able to compete on an equal footing in this division would be to be promoted and then relegated, so we could benefit from parachute payments. Sounds like we may have hit the ceiling. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 2

12:05pm Wed 6 Aug 14

tug509 says...

Hazey James wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Sorry, I stopped reading when you said you know more than 99% of people who post on here..... Get You!!!!!
Fair play. Reading that back, I do sound like a prat. But it is not difficult to know more than people who know very little and I find it frustrating hearing things told as fact which I know are untrue. It is difficult to state a fact based on a good source without coming across as a billy big balls.
99% of what you have posted today is written as fact ,plus of course your claim to know " it is not hard to know more than the very little that most on here now " wow your good ,sorry did I say good ,I meant FULL OF IT !.

ps you did get one thing spot on ,take a guess which bit ?.
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Sorry, I stopped reading when you said you know more than 99% of people who post on here..... Get You!!!!![/p][/quote]Fair play. Reading that back, I do sound like a prat. But it is not difficult to know more than people who know very little and I find it frustrating hearing things told as fact which I know are untrue. It is difficult to state a fact based on a good source without coming across as a billy big balls.[/p][/quote]99% of what you have posted today is written as fact ,plus of course your claim to know " it is not hard to know more than the very little that most on here now " wow your good ,sorry did I say good ,I meant FULL OF IT !. ps you did get one thing spot on ,take a guess which bit ?. tug509
  • Score: 2

12:07pm Wed 6 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

pjwilk wrote:
tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion.

Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions.

I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags'

First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL!

The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F.

PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual.

So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well.

Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was.

My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark.

The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion!
EXCELLENT POST WISDOM .
Totally agree,excellent post by someone who really feels whats happening at our club.We feel we are just feeding fodder to bring in money and be kept in the dark.To be honest i am feeling more isolated from the club every year.
You and many others. One thing that came out of last night was the apparent disdain that the club has for the supporters. They don't feel it is necessary to keep us informed on the progress of team-building ( you don't need to specifically name players or "targets" to do so ), one stage-managed "forum" is deemed sufficient. Meanwhile, please keep buying your season tickets, eating pies and buying up new kit every couple of years. No surprise, but every questioner had the mic whipped away as soon as they'd asked their question, so didn't have the opportunity to come back on anything.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT POST WISDOM .[/p][/quote]Totally agree,excellent post by someone who really feels whats happening at our club.We feel we are just feeding fodder to bring in money and be kept in the dark.To be honest i am feeling more isolated from the club every year.[/p][/quote]You and many others. One thing that came out of last night was the apparent disdain that the club has for the supporters. They don't feel it is necessary to keep us informed on the progress of team-building ( you don't need to specifically name players or "targets" to do so ), one stage-managed "forum" is deemed sufficient. Meanwhile, please keep buying your season tickets, eating pies and buying up new kit every couple of years. No surprise, but every questioner had the mic whipped away as soon as they'd asked their question, so didn't have the opportunity to come back on anything. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 1

12:26pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

A simple question, does David Burke actually exist and has anybody ever seen him or heard his explanation of exactly what is going on within the Amex?
A simple question, does David Burke actually exist and has anybody ever seen him or heard his explanation of exactly what is going on within the Amex? Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: 4

12:28pm Wed 6 Aug 14

argy seagull says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion.

Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions.

I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags'

First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL!

The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F.

PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual.

So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well.

Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was.

My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark.

The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion!
My sentiments exactly
A top six finish is no good at all especially as when, push came to push during the games that really mattered, the team performed so badly. The club must have as its ambition a top two place and then take whatever action it needs to to try its best to achieve that
We can all agree on the wonderful job that has been done to get the club to where it is now. However I wonder if parachute payments to other clubs coupled with a lack of available finance for our club means that the club has peaked and it needs a manager of considerable vision and drive to take it to the next stage
By the way I'm not a supporter of keeping within the FPP rules. It is obviously a big gamble but why not throw lots of money to obtain promotion? The financial gains far outweigh the penalties involved. I just wonder if the money is running out and that is dressed up as keeping within the FPP rules, top 6 finish etc
Also despite Sami's comments about crowd size impacting performance, nevertheless the club's home performance over the last two seasons is POOR and even POORER taking into account crowd sizes. This must be rectified as we would be a Premiership team now if we had matched the top 10 teams average home/away performance ratio
I think something major needed to have happened over the last couple of months - a major new investor, an association/investme
nt by a Premiership team, whatever
It's now too late for that of course with the real danger that the club will start slipping away....
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion![/p][/quote]My sentiments exactly A top six finish is no good at all especially as when, push came to push during the games that really mattered, the team performed so badly. The club must have as its ambition a top two place and then take whatever action it needs to to try its best to achieve that We can all agree on the wonderful job that has been done to get the club to where it is now. However I wonder if parachute payments to other clubs coupled with a lack of available finance for our club means that the club has peaked and it needs a manager of considerable vision and drive to take it to the next stage By the way I'm not a supporter of keeping within the FPP rules. It is obviously a big gamble but why not throw lots of money to obtain promotion? The financial gains far outweigh the penalties involved. I just wonder if the money is running out and that is dressed up as keeping within the FPP rules, top 6 finish etc Also despite Sami's comments about crowd size impacting performance, nevertheless the club's home performance over the last two seasons is POOR and even POORER taking into account crowd sizes. This must be rectified as we would be a Premiership team now if we had matched the top 10 teams average home/away performance ratio I think something major needed to have happened over the last couple of months - a major new investor, an association/investme nt by a Premiership team, whatever It's now too late for that of course with the real danger that the club will start slipping away.... argy seagull
  • Score: 3

1:05pm Wed 6 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

Mark Dixon wrote:
Though l totally agree no point buying players for the sake of it for TB to say the main targets are here is somewhat worrying to say the least.

I can never understand why the transfer window closes about three weeks after the season starts, it should be end of July.

As for the forum last night , well what a waste of time that was. It reminded me of a work's staff meeting, everyone thought of a probing question but ended up chickening out asking it.
Mark as I posted last night a number of people myself included who couldn't attend the Forum last night emailed questions for the Panel to BBC Sussex. Why Cantor chose only to ask one of them I don't know but perhaps he didn't want to raise any leading questions.
I have noticed that a number of posters have picked up on the comment that Paul Barber made about how hard Burke works.
I am not aware of any poster on this website ever questioning how hard Burke and his team work. We are simply interested in whether or not they deliver results. Actually I wouldn't care if they only worked a couple of days a week as long as their objectives are met and (in this instance) that quality players are signed for the positions that need improving.
Unfortunately too many people mistake activity for action and I just hope that TB and his Board are not falling into that trap as far as our Recruitment department is concerned. Personally I think the jury is out on how effective Burke and Co are at achieving the results SH and the club need.
I will reserve judgement until 2 September in the light of TB's reassurance that we will have a competitive squad by then (isn't this what TB says every year ? I don't quite understand why he only wants the club to be competitive for 41 matches of the season !). I very much trust that TB's faith in Burke and Co proves justified.
Of course should Burke miss the deadline for any permanent signings I anticipate that the club will say it s not critical since they can use the Loan window...and after that the January one !
A couple of other points.
Firstly there is no doubt that the squad needs strengthening and importantly the club recognises this - none of the 3 members of the panel denied this at the Forum. In fact they voiced their frustration at how laborious the process is when trying to acquire players.
Secondly I don't think that most fans would be quite as concerned as we are right now if we only had one , or at the most two, more signings to finalise rather than the about 5 (minimum 4) we are faced with this season.
With Luck and Perseverance, given that we now have the funds from Ulloa's and Bridcutt's sales, the targets that SH wants will be signed in time before the window closes. As a result we fans will realise that we should have relaxed and left it to TB and the club to get things done.
Onwards and Upwards.
[quote][p][bold]Mark Dixon[/bold] wrote: Though l totally agree no point buying players for the sake of it for TB to say the main targets are here is somewhat worrying to say the least. I can never understand why the transfer window closes about three weeks after the season starts, it should be end of July. As for the forum last night , well what a waste of time that was. It reminded me of a work's staff meeting, everyone thought of a probing question but ended up chickening out asking it.[/p][/quote]Mark as I posted last night a number of people myself included who couldn't attend the Forum last night emailed questions for the Panel to BBC Sussex. Why Cantor chose only to ask one of them I don't know but perhaps he didn't want to raise any leading questions. I have noticed that a number of posters have picked up on the comment that Paul Barber made about how hard Burke works. I am not aware of any poster on this website ever questioning how hard Burke and his team work. We are simply interested in whether or not they deliver results. Actually I wouldn't care if they only worked a couple of days a week as long as their objectives are met and (in this instance) that quality players are signed for the positions that need improving. Unfortunately too many people mistake activity for action and I just hope that TB and his Board are not falling into that trap as far as our Recruitment department is concerned. Personally I think the jury is out on how effective Burke and Co are at achieving the results SH and the club need. I will reserve judgement until 2 September in the light of TB's reassurance that we will have a competitive squad by then (isn't this what TB says every year ? I don't quite understand why he only wants the club to be competitive for 41 matches of the season !). I very much trust that TB's faith in Burke and Co proves justified. Of course should Burke miss the deadline for any permanent signings I anticipate that the club will say it s not critical since they can use the Loan window...and after that the January one ! A couple of other points. Firstly there is no doubt that the squad needs strengthening and importantly the club recognises this - none of the 3 members of the panel denied this at the Forum. In fact they voiced their frustration at how laborious the process is when trying to acquire players. Secondly I don't think that most fans would be quite as concerned as we are right now if we only had one , or at the most two, more signings to finalise rather than the about 5 (minimum 4) we are faced with this season. With Luck and Perseverance, given that we now have the funds from Ulloa's and Bridcutt's sales, the targets that SH wants will be signed in time before the window closes. As a result we fans will realise that we should have relaxed and left it to TB and the club to get things done. Onwards and Upwards. ballantrrae
  • Score: 8

1:13pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
Neville wrote:
Ringtone
Good news you wanted some stellar players I hear we are about sign french midfielder Artois
Nice. He's the glass half full type we need now.
Stella artois is actually Belgian not french.
Naylor reported it was Cidre anyway!
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Ringtone Good news you wanted some stellar players I hear we are about sign french midfielder Artois[/p][/quote]Nice. He's the glass half full type we need now.[/p][/quote]Stella artois is actually Belgian not french.[/p][/quote]Naylor reported it was Cidre anyway! Conelli98
  • Score: 4

1:18pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion!
If aiming for top 6 is evidence of negative belief then wouldn't it also be negative to say we will stay up in the premier league? Shouldn't we be saying that we will WIN the premier?

Why not?
Because of money.
Same reason we don't say we'll win this league. Playoffs is a realistic but still ambitious target given the head start relegated teams from the prem get. It certainly isn't negative and I would be delighted if we got in the playoffs this season... and I expect we will do.
[quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion![/p][/quote]If aiming for top 6 is evidence of negative belief then wouldn't it also be negative to say we will stay up in the premier league? Shouldn't we be saying that we will WIN the premier? Why not? Because of money. Same reason we don't say we'll win this league. Playoffs is a realistic but still ambitious target given the head start relegated teams from the prem get. It certainly isn't negative and I would be delighted if we got in the playoffs this season... and I expect we will do. Hazey James
  • Score: 0

1:22pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

The issue of our being 7% down on season ticket sales compared to this time last year, seems to me that 24,000 is the high and 18,000 is the low, and sales will fluctuate between those figures as each season progresses. Some of those 24K were what I think of as, 'novelty,' sales, 'my pal down the road goes to matches, and even tho I am not really into football, I'll go with him.' The season done, they tried it and now have decided that cricket suits them better. Some of the 24K might have been husband and wife sales, and now the wife has changed her mind, perhaps she has had a child and now can't attend.

My point is, as of now maybe selling 24,000 season tickets represented a false level of support, and 18,000 was a figure that could be increased, 22,000 might be a more genuine level.

Not selling so many season tickets will allow more seats to be available for thsoe, 'big,' matches, casual supporters will be able to buy tickets easier, and buy them at full price. I owuldn't get too hung up on season ticket sales, the declared number attending is what counts.
The issue of our being 7% down on season ticket sales compared to this time last year, seems to me that 24,000 is the high and 18,000 is the low, and sales will fluctuate between those figures as each season progresses. Some of those 24K were what I think of as, 'novelty,' sales, 'my pal down the road goes to matches, and even tho I am not really into football, I'll go with him.' The season done, they tried it and now have decided that cricket suits them better. Some of the 24K might have been husband and wife sales, and now the wife has changed her mind, perhaps she has had a child and now can't attend. My point is, as of now maybe selling 24,000 season tickets represented a false level of support, and 18,000 was a figure that could be increased, 22,000 might be a more genuine level. Not selling so many season tickets will allow more seats to be available for thsoe, 'big,' matches, casual supporters will be able to buy tickets easier, and buy them at full price. I owuldn't get too hung up on season ticket sales, the declared number attending is what counts. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

1:24pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
So by not spending more of his own money, Tony Bloom is disrespecting you? Bizarre outlook. If the club were spending less on players than they receive in ticket and catering income then you might have a point but they don't.

Or maybe you mean that you feel disrespected for of knowing the exact details of each transfer negotiation? Surely you realise the club will have a level of confidentiality they have to keep (may even be legally required to in fact)?

I don't see where we are being disrespected as supporters.
[quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]So by not spending more of his own money, Tony Bloom is disrespecting you? Bizarre outlook. If the club were spending less on players than they receive in ticket and catering income then you might have a point but they don't. Or maybe you mean that you feel disrespected for of knowing the exact details of each transfer negotiation? Surely you realise the club will have a level of confidentiality they have to keep (may even be legally required to in fact)? I don't see where we are being disrespected as supporters. Hazey James
  • Score: 0

1:29pm Wed 6 Aug 14

tug509 says...

I have one question that I would of liked an answer for .TB says that because the transfer window closes at the end of August ,we should be patient and wait until then for a full and competitive squad ,I would hope that if the TW closed at the end of October we would not have to wait until then . But the points are :
1/Why do all other clubs including those like us (no parachute payments) get their squad sorted in time ?.
2/If we are a well run club ,why when we know when the TW closes do we still leave it to the last minute ,when we know it will hamper Sami and the squad integrate ?.
3/If the TW was moved to the end of July ( I wish ) before the first game of the season ,would we be able to get ourselves sorted in time ,and if so ,why have we failed in 4 straight seasons to do this ?.
I have one question that I would of liked an answer for .TB says that because the transfer window closes at the end of August ,we should be patient and wait until then for a full and competitive squad ,I would hope that if the TW closed at the end of October we would not have to wait until then . But the points are : 1/Why do all other clubs including those like us (no parachute payments) get their squad sorted in time ?. 2/If we are a well run club ,why when we know when the TW closes do we still leave it to the last minute ,when we know it will hamper Sami and the squad integrate ?. 3/If the TW was moved to the end of July ( I wish ) before the first game of the season ,would we be able to get ourselves sorted in time ,and if so ,why have we failed in 4 straight seasons to do this ?. tug509
  • Score: 4

1:36pm Wed 6 Aug 14

mikeygit says...

Just looked on the Middlesboro Newspaper site and the Clayton ´deal´has hit a snag!! Although Middlesboro still reckon they will get their man. Could we still be in with a shout---or have we walked away from that one??
Just looked on the Middlesboro Newspaper site and the Clayton ´deal´has hit a snag!! Although Middlesboro still reckon they will get their man. Could we still be in with a shout---or have we walked away from that one?? mikeygit
  • Score: 4

1:38pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Ken from Beamish says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
pjwilk wrote:
tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion.

Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions.

I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags'

First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL!

The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F.

PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual.

So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well.

Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was.

My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark.

The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion!
EXCELLENT POST WISDOM .
Totally agree,excellent post by someone who really feels whats happening at our club.We feel we are just feeding fodder to bring in money and be kept in the dark.To be honest i am feeling more isolated from the club every year.
You and many others. One thing that came out of last night was the apparent disdain that the club has for the supporters. They don't feel it is necessary to keep us informed on the progress of team-building ( you don't need to specifically name players or "targets" to do so ), one stage-managed "forum" is deemed sufficient. Meanwhile, please keep buying your season tickets, eating pies and buying up new kit every couple of years. No surprise, but every questioner had the mic whipped away as soon as they'd asked their question, so didn't have the opportunity to come back on anything.
Just a little anecdote about the disdain that is shown to supporters these days. My wife turned up at the Amex today to buy a Bridge Car Parking ticket for Saturday. The young guy was happy to take the money, but had no voucher to pass over. Called numerous internal numbers within the Amex, no response. My wife offered to pick it up from wherever in the Amex these vouchers were - the offer was refused. Instead, they'll post it. Is this good customer service ? I have personally been down to the Amex a couple of times recently - one assistant n the West Stand reception (with Security Guard!) to deal with anyone coming in to buy tickets or queries. Waiting time has often been 20-30mins. Reminds me of a non-league club set up. Customer service is poor, and fans are being taking for granted. One club ? I don't think so.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]Hazel James - If you state you know more than 99% of those on this site does that mean you are on the inside of the club? It sounds as though you could be since you seem to be very dismissive of everybody's right to an opinion and feel the need to 'name call' and deride anyone who shares an opinion. Shall we look at some facts rather than simply exchange opinions. I, along with some very level headed friends, were visibly shocked last night listening to the forum at three major 'red flags' First was when Tony Bloom stated that when the club eventually get promoted they will inevetibly come back down again. That tells us that Tony has a 'negative belief' mentality. It's also evident when he continually states his aim is always for 'a top six finish'. No Tony, our aim should ALWAYS be to be FIRST! Any other aim is a negative aim. Whether we achieve that is another matter - but it must always be our aim. And also our aim to stay in the PL! The second point is from Paul Barber's blatant untruth when he stated that no club in the top two leagues operate without a D of F or someone fulfilling that role. By saying that Paul evidences that he could well have a dismissive attitude to the intelligence of his 'customers' knowledge of the game in general. Please Paul, read Brendan Rodgers article where he categorically states that despite having the greatest respect for Louis Van Gaal, he informed John Henry during his interview that he would not take the job as manager of Liverpool if they wished to pursue their intention of offering LVG, or anyone else, as a D of F. PB went on about how it is impossible to expect the manager to deal with agents, press, chase prospects bla bla bla. We aren't idiots. We understand that and that is not the bone of contention with most people. It is a fact that as a principal, it is the way the manager is PERCEIVED by his players which is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A FOOTBALL CLUB. They have to FEEL that he is the one making ALL the football decisions in order for him to maintain that ultimate control over his players and maintain their respect as a strong minded confident individual. So the facts are that not only is it not true that every club in the top 2 Divisions operates with a D of F it's actually a fact that three of the most successful clubs adamantly refuse to entertain the idea. Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. And their are more as well. Finally we felt it totally un necessary for ?Tony Bloom to once again bring up the 'Gus Poyet was sacked for gross mis-conduct comment, especially as no one is allowed to explain publicly what the 'gross mis conduct' was. My point is that this kind of behavior is very revealing of the basic hierarchical attitude which appears to permeate through the club these days. We felt there was an element of vindictiveness in that un necessary remark. The final fact is that, despite all the continuous references to how 'hard everyone is working' - people still either wish to leave our club and don't seem to be in a hurry to come and work here. There is never any smoke without fire. It remains to be seen if TB has the wherewithal to extinguish this smoldering fire before it turns into an explosion![/p][/quote]EXCELLENT POST WISDOM .[/p][/quote]Totally agree,excellent post by someone who really feels whats happening at our club.We feel we are just feeding fodder to bring in money and be kept in the dark.To be honest i am feeling more isolated from the club every year.[/p][/quote]You and many others. One thing that came out of last night was the apparent disdain that the club has for the supporters. They don't feel it is necessary to keep us informed on the progress of team-building ( you don't need to specifically name players or "targets" to do so ), one stage-managed "forum" is deemed sufficient. Meanwhile, please keep buying your season tickets, eating pies and buying up new kit every couple of years. No surprise, but every questioner had the mic whipped away as soon as they'd asked their question, so didn't have the opportunity to come back on anything.[/p][/quote]Just a little anecdote about the disdain that is shown to supporters these days. My wife turned up at the Amex today to buy a Bridge Car Parking ticket for Saturday. The young guy was happy to take the money, but had no voucher to pass over. Called numerous internal numbers within the Amex, no response. My wife offered to pick it up from wherever in the Amex these vouchers were - the offer was refused. Instead, they'll post it. Is this good customer service ? I have personally been down to the Amex a couple of times recently - one assistant n the West Stand reception (with Security Guard!) to deal with anyone coming in to buy tickets or queries. Waiting time has often been 20-30mins. Reminds me of a non-league club set up. Customer service is poor, and fans are being taking for granted. One club ? I don't think so. Ken from Beamish
  • Score: -1

1:41pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Having had a night to sleep on the events of yesterday, and taking into account what Bloom said about targets arriving by August, I can only assume that we have targets that are currently residing in the prem div or the equivalent abroad. I don't rule out the possibility that one or more might not be, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense. We have the money, we have the need, our competitors are getting players but we seem to be dragging our heels, so why.

We all hoped that Hyypia would use his contacts in the prem to get some quality in, well maybe he is doing exactly that, but as we all know the prem clubs are still working thru their own transfer issues, and their season starts after ours.

The forum is done and dusted, the first match of this season is only days away, it's time to start speculating on just how Sami will line up the players he has, rather than worrying about those we don't have.
Having had a night to sleep on the events of yesterday, and taking into account what Bloom said about targets arriving by August, I can only assume that we have targets that are currently residing in the prem div or the equivalent abroad. I don't rule out the possibility that one or more might not be, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense. We have the money, we have the need, our competitors are getting players but we seem to be dragging our heels, so why. We all hoped that Hyypia would use his contacts in the prem to get some quality in, well maybe he is doing exactly that, but as we all know the prem clubs are still working thru their own transfer issues, and their season starts after ours. The forum is done and dusted, the first match of this season is only days away, it's time to start speculating on just how Sami will line up the players he has, rather than worrying about those we don't have. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

1:44pm Wed 6 Aug 14

9 of us says...

there's only 5 of you posting.
Threads too long.
Boring material, like the rest on the Argus website. The article about the bloke drinking acid says it all
there's only 5 of you posting. Threads too long. Boring material, like the rest on the Argus website. The article about the bloke drinking acid says it all 9 of us
  • Score: 0

2:02pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Grummitt says...

mikeygit wrote:
Just looked on the Middlesboro Newspaper site and the Clayton ´deal´has hit a snag!! Although Middlesboro still reckon they will get their man. Could we still be in with a shout---or have we walked away from that one??
Mikey, according to the report the Argus source told them that Burke was due to attend Huddersfield's friendly with Newcastle last night. Maybe he upped our bid for Clayton. We have all seen the reliability of their sources over the last couple of days, but you never know.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Just looked on the Middlesboro Newspaper site and the Clayton ´deal´has hit a snag!! Although Middlesboro still reckon they will get their man. Could we still be in with a shout---or have we walked away from that one??[/p][/quote]Mikey, according to the report the Argus source told them that Burke was due to attend Huddersfield's friendly with Newcastle last night. Maybe he upped our bid for Clayton. We have all seen the reliability of their sources over the last couple of days, but you never know. Grummitt
  • Score: 4

2:07pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Hazey James says...

tug509 wrote:
I have one question that I would of liked an answer for .TB says that because the transfer window closes at the end of August ,we should be patient and wait until then for a full and competitive squad ,I would hope that if the TW closed at the end of October we would not have to wait until then . But the points are : 1/Why do all other clubs including those like us (no parachute payments) get their squad sorted in time ?. 2/If we are a well run club ,why when we know when the TW closes do we still leave it to the last minute ,when we know it will hamper Sami and the squad integrate ?. 3/If the TW was moved to the end of July ( I wish ) before the first game of the season ,would we be able to get ourselves sorted in time ,and if so ,why have we failed in 4 straight seasons to do this ?.
1. Which clubs have got their squads sorted and, if those you name make further additions before end of August, are they just extras?

2. Because that is how you get the best deal and therefore the guest number of players in.

3. I presume we'd be in the same position as we are at end of August currently so yes. Don't understand what you mean by not being ready in last 4 seasons. We won the league and finished in playoffs twice. The odd one out of those seasons probably had the biggest and earliest activity (first season at Amex, cms, Buckley, Hoskins etc etc).

My question to you. If we're never ready then why did we make such fast starts in 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons? Think we we're top after first few games both seasons?
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I have one question that I would of liked an answer for .TB says that because the transfer window closes at the end of August ,we should be patient and wait until then for a full and competitive squad ,I would hope that if the TW closed at the end of October we would not have to wait until then . But the points are : 1/Why do all other clubs including those like us (no parachute payments) get their squad sorted in time ?. 2/If we are a well run club ,why when we know when the TW closes do we still leave it to the last minute ,when we know it will hamper Sami and the squad integrate ?. 3/If the TW was moved to the end of July ( I wish ) before the first game of the season ,would we be able to get ourselves sorted in time ,and if so ,why have we failed in 4 straight seasons to do this ?.[/p][/quote]1. Which clubs have got their squads sorted and, if those you name make further additions before end of August, are they just extras? 2. Because that is how you get the best deal and therefore the guest number of players in. 3. I presume we'd be in the same position as we are at end of August currently so yes. Don't understand what you mean by not being ready in last 4 seasons. We won the league and finished in playoffs twice. The odd one out of those seasons probably had the biggest and earliest activity (first season at Amex, cms, Buckley, Hoskins etc etc). My question to you. If we're never ready then why did we make such fast starts in 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons? Think we we're top after first few games both seasons? Hazey James
  • Score: 0

2:08pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Having had a night to sleep on the events of yesterday, and taking into account what Bloom said about targets arriving by August, I can only assume that we have targets that are currently residing in the prem div or the equivalent abroad. I don't rule out the possibility that one or more might not be, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense. We have the money, we have the need, our competitors are getting players but we seem to be dragging our heels, so why.

We all hoped that Hyypia would use his contacts in the prem to get some quality in, well maybe he is doing exactly that, but as we all know the prem clubs are still working thru their own transfer issues, and their season starts after ours.

The forum is done and dusted, the first match of this season is only days away, it's time to start speculating on just how Sami will line up the players he has, rather than worrying about those we don't have.
Hi Tug.
Maybe, and I only say maybe, the problem we seem to have in getting players in early is that gnerally we tend to aim slightly higher than our competitors do when selecting who we want to bring in. That is not going to be true in all cases, but I am only taking in general terms.

Going for a player that is under contract is much harder than picking up a free agent, and costs more. Players under contract might have other suitors too, so the ratio of offers made to players signed, will be low, we won't get all those we try for.
A case in point might be Lingard, (I know some don't rate him) if he is a target, all be it on loan, we can't move until United do, and their season starts later so they can wait a little longer to decide. Should we sign a different player rather than wait, by waiting and then getting him, was the wait worth enduring. Of course Lingard might not arrive, United decide that, but then we have to move to the next on our list, and it's almost certain that the next lad on the list is also going to be a player under contract.

I could be very wrong in my thinking, but if we think back over the last three seasons, those that have arrived late have for the most part been players of a decent quality, not all, but most. If we need a minimum of three players, four would be better and five would be great, perhaps it's better to hold off so that we can buy two from where ever and borrow three from the prem. The two might come from our own division, maybe their clubs are also waiting on the prem to decide.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Having had a night to sleep on the events of yesterday, and taking into account what Bloom said about targets arriving by August, I can only assume that we have targets that are currently residing in the prem div or the equivalent abroad. I don't rule out the possibility that one or more might not be, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense. We have the money, we have the need, our competitors are getting players but we seem to be dragging our heels, so why. We all hoped that Hyypia would use his contacts in the prem to get some quality in, well maybe he is doing exactly that, but as we all know the prem clubs are still working thru their own transfer issues, and their season starts after ours. The forum is done and dusted, the first match of this season is only days away, it's time to start speculating on just how Sami will line up the players he has, rather than worrying about those we don't have.[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. Maybe, and I only say maybe, the problem we seem to have in getting players in early is that gnerally we tend to aim slightly higher than our competitors do when selecting who we want to bring in. That is not going to be true in all cases, but I am only taking in general terms. Going for a player that is under contract is much harder than picking up a free agent, and costs more. Players under contract might have other suitors too, so the ratio of offers made to players signed, will be low, we won't get all those we try for. A case in point might be Lingard, (I know some don't rate him) if he is a target, all be it on loan, we can't move until United do, and their season starts later so they can wait a little longer to decide. Should we sign a different player rather than wait, by waiting and then getting him, was the wait worth enduring. Of course Lingard might not arrive, United decide that, but then we have to move to the next on our list, and it's almost certain that the next lad on the list is also going to be a player under contract. I could be very wrong in my thinking, but if we think back over the last three seasons, those that have arrived late have for the most part been players of a decent quality, not all, but most. If we need a minimum of three players, four would be better and five would be great, perhaps it's better to hold off so that we can buy two from where ever and borrow three from the prem. The two might come from our own division, maybe their clubs are also waiting on the prem to decide. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

2:08pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

tug509 wrote:
I have one question that I would of liked an answer for .TB says that because the transfer window closes at the end of August ,we should be patient and wait until then for a full and competitive squad ,I would hope that if the TW closed at the end of October we would not have to wait until then . But the points are :
1/Why do all other clubs including those like us (no parachute payments) get their squad sorted in time ?.
2/If we are a well run club ,why when we know when the TW closes do we still leave it to the last minute ,when we know it will hamper Sami and the squad integrate ?.
3/If the TW was moved to the end of July ( I wish ) before the first game of the season ,would we be able to get ourselves sorted in time ,and if so ,why have we failed in 4 straight seasons to do this ?.
1) I doubt any clubs have finished their squads by now, or will be fully happy with them by the time the window closes. Deals always break down at the last minute, or time just runs out, or a third party comes in and changes things. You look on any club forum and see the myriad of posts all asking "why haven't we bought so and so yet? Our team is looking pitifully thin. I expect relegation"
2) You only have to look at deadline day to see the majority of moves happen one the final day. We are not unusual in that regard. It's not as if we reach the final day and only then decide which players are coming - things will have been cooking for weeks/months, but the deadline has forced clubs and players to a little more give and take. That's what deadlines do.
3) The sooner the deadline, then surely the less time to properly choose the right player? Deals would still be done, but there might be more than a hint of panic?

Just my tuppence :-)
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I have one question that I would of liked an answer for .TB says that because the transfer window closes at the end of August ,we should be patient and wait until then for a full and competitive squad ,I would hope that if the TW closed at the end of October we would not have to wait until then . But the points are : 1/Why do all other clubs including those like us (no parachute payments) get their squad sorted in time ?. 2/If we are a well run club ,why when we know when the TW closes do we still leave it to the last minute ,when we know it will hamper Sami and the squad integrate ?. 3/If the TW was moved to the end of July ( I wish ) before the first game of the season ,would we be able to get ourselves sorted in time ,and if so ,why have we failed in 4 straight seasons to do this ?.[/p][/quote]1) I doubt any clubs have finished their squads by now, or will be fully happy with them by the time the window closes. Deals always break down at the last minute, or time just runs out, or a third party comes in and changes things. You look on any club forum and see the myriad of posts all asking "why haven't we bought so and so yet? Our team is looking pitifully thin. I expect relegation" 2) You only have to look at deadline day to see the majority of moves happen one the final day. We are not unusual in that regard. It's not as if we reach the final day and only then decide which players are coming - things will have been cooking for weeks/months, but the deadline has forced clubs and players to a little more give and take. That's what deadlines do. 3) The sooner the deadline, then surely the less time to properly choose the right player? Deals would still be done, but there might be more than a hint of panic? Just my tuppence :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 3

2:22pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

mikeygit wrote:
Just looked on the Middlesboro Newspaper site and the Clayton ´deal´has hit a snag!! Although Middlesboro still reckon they will get their man. Could we still be in with a shout---or have we walked away from that one??
Says nothing about a snag!
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Just looked on the Middlesboro Newspaper site and the Clayton ´deal´has hit a snag!! Although Middlesboro still reckon they will get their man. Could we still be in with a shout---or have we walked away from that one??[/p][/quote]Says nothing about a snag! Conelli98
  • Score: 2

2:27pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Conelli98 wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
Just looked on the Middlesboro Newspaper site and the Clayton ´deal´has hit a snag!! Although Middlesboro still reckon they will get their man. Could we still be in with a shout---or have we walked away from that one??
Says nothing about a snag!
yeah it does, check out news now. Clayton's move appears to be a cash plus player deal, the snag being the player.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Just looked on the Middlesboro Newspaper site and the Clayton ´deal´has hit a snag!! Although Middlesboro still reckon they will get their man. Could we still be in with a shout---or have we walked away from that one??[/p][/quote]Says nothing about a snag![/p][/quote]yeah it does, check out news now. Clayton's move appears to be a cash plus player deal, the snag being the player. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 3

2:41pm Wed 6 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Having had a night to sleep on the events of yesterday, and taking into account what Bloom said about targets arriving by August, I can only assume that we have targets that are currently residing in the prem div or the equivalent abroad. I don't rule out the possibility that one or more might not be, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense. We have the money, we have the need, our competitors are getting players but we seem to be dragging our heels, so why.

We all hoped that Hyypia would use his contacts in the prem to get some quality in, well maybe he is doing exactly that, but as we all know the prem clubs are still working thru their own transfer issues, and their season starts after ours.

The forum is done and dusted, the first match of this season is only days away, it's time to start speculating on just how Sami will line up the players he has, rather than worrying about those we don't have.
Hi Tug.
Maybe, and I only say maybe, the problem we seem to have in getting players in early is that gnerally we tend to aim slightly higher than our competitors do when selecting who we want to bring in. That is not going to be true in all cases, but I am only taking in general terms.

Going for a player that is under contract is much harder than picking up a free agent, and costs more. Players under contract might have other suitors too, so the ratio of offers made to players signed, will be low, we won't get all those we try for.
A case in point might be Lingard, (I know some don't rate him) if he is a target, all be it on loan, we can't move until United do, and their season starts later so they can wait a little longer to decide. Should we sign a different player rather than wait, by waiting and then getting him, was the wait worth enduring. Of course Lingard might not arrive, United decide that, but then we have to move to the next on our list, and it's almost certain that the next lad on the list is also going to be a player under contract.

I could be very wrong in my thinking, but if we think back over the last three seasons, those that have arrived late have for the most part been players of a decent quality, not all, but most. If we need a minimum of three players, four would be better and five would be great, perhaps it's better to hold off so that we can buy two from where ever and borrow three from the prem. The two might come from our own division, maybe their clubs are also waiting on the prem to decide.
All of this may/may not be true, but what I can't understand is why the club steadfastly refuses to tell us what is causing the delays. If, as you suggest, we are aiming higher then tell us, it would placate many of the disillusioned fans, we don't need to know specifics, just broad policy. My own hope is that by targeting players with some experience, but not at the end of their careers, we can start to build a squad which will be around for a few years, rather than relying on loans and older players, thus needing to rebuild at the start of each season. If this is the case, then why not tell the supporters? It would certainly explain why the deals are harder to find and complete, but if we are rebuilding in this way, it could take a couple of seasons to complete the task. If so, and we know what the policy is, then most reasonable supporters would get behind it and there'd be less negativity around the place.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Having had a night to sleep on the events of yesterday, and taking into account what Bloom said about targets arriving by August, I can only assume that we have targets that are currently residing in the prem div or the equivalent abroad. I don't rule out the possibility that one or more might not be, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense. We have the money, we have the need, our competitors are getting players but we seem to be dragging our heels, so why. We all hoped that Hyypia would use his contacts in the prem to get some quality in, well maybe he is doing exactly that, but as we all know the prem clubs are still working thru their own transfer issues, and their season starts after ours. The forum is done and dusted, the first match of this season is only days away, it's time to start speculating on just how Sami will line up the players he has, rather than worrying about those we don't have.[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. Maybe, and I only say maybe, the problem we seem to have in getting players in early is that gnerally we tend to aim slightly higher than our competitors do when selecting who we want to bring in. That is not going to be true in all cases, but I am only taking in general terms. Going for a player that is under contract is much harder than picking up a free agent, and costs more. Players under contract might have other suitors too, so the ratio of offers made to players signed, will be low, we won't get all those we try for. A case in point might be Lingard, (I know some don't rate him) if he is a target, all be it on loan, we can't move until United do, and their season starts later so they can wait a little longer to decide. Should we sign a different player rather than wait, by waiting and then getting him, was the wait worth enduring. Of course Lingard might not arrive, United decide that, but then we have to move to the next on our list, and it's almost certain that the next lad on the list is also going to be a player under contract. I could be very wrong in my thinking, but if we think back over the last three seasons, those that have arrived late have for the most part been players of a decent quality, not all, but most. If we need a minimum of three players, four would be better and five would be great, perhaps it's better to hold off so that we can buy two from where ever and borrow three from the prem. The two might come from our own division, maybe their clubs are also waiting on the prem to decide.[/p][/quote]All of this may/may not be true, but what I can't understand is why the club steadfastly refuses to tell us what is causing the delays. If, as you suggest, we are aiming higher then tell us, it would placate many of the disillusioned fans, we don't need to know specifics, just broad policy. My own hope is that by targeting players with some experience, but not at the end of their careers, we can start to build a squad which will be around for a few years, rather than relying on loans and older players, thus needing to rebuild at the start of each season. If this is the case, then why not tell the supporters? It would certainly explain why the deals are harder to find and complete, but if we are rebuilding in this way, it could take a couple of seasons to complete the task. If so, and we know what the policy is, then most reasonable supporters would get behind it and there'd be less negativity around the place. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 2

2:54pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Gordon of Goring says...

Ideally, a settled (completed squad) would have suited us all not least because it can be an advantage in banking some early wins. Realistically it may take a couple of months for our season to settle down and only then will we have an idea of what is realistically achievable. As fans we have very little influence in such matters other than getting behind the team. The players that Sami fields on Saturday deserve our full support. All will want to play.
Ideally, a settled (completed squad) would have suited us all not least because it can be an advantage in banking some early wins. Realistically it may take a couple of months for our season to settle down and only then will we have an idea of what is realistically achievable. As fans we have very little influence in such matters other than getting behind the team. The players that Sami fields on Saturday deserve our full support. All will want to play. Gordon of Goring
  • Score: 3

3:01pm Wed 6 Aug 14

woodcroft says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
It seems to me the level of disquiet this morning is based around a feeling of "us and them" ?
The view that they don't care about the fans, seems purely based around the lack of signings - a fact I'm as frustrated about as anyone - and when there's frustration, fans vent their spleen about everything they can.
Suddenly, the pies are too expensive, the beer is too warm, but, mysteriously, a decent signing or two usually turns up the economy and turns down the chillers.
It's easy to say 'they don't care' when all we want is a competitive squad and a bit of optimism. Listening on the internet last night, I heard what I regard as some sound, solid consistent thinking, but I'll be the first to admit it needs backing up with some sound, solid (and immediate) action.
Then Paul Barber won't have to explain the philosophy on ticket prices because, frankly, we won't care.
As usual some common clear comments from our man in Staffs. The mood music has been very anti all the pinstripes over the last week. Naylor quite correctly has come in for criticism ad it will take him along time to gain any credibility.
I hope come end of the Month w will have some quality additions .
I travel on Friday this time for a home game with little enthusiasm. I hope when I get back on Sunday night l will be feeling happier than I am at present
Sami needs support and some time . He clearly is worried by some of his comments and lack of as well.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: It seems to me the level of disquiet this morning is based around a feeling of "us and them" ? The view that they don't care about the fans, seems purely based around the lack of signings - a fact I'm as frustrated about as anyone - and when there's frustration, fans vent their spleen about everything they can. Suddenly, the pies are too expensive, the beer is too warm, but, mysteriously, a decent signing or two usually turns up the economy and turns down the chillers. It's easy to say 'they don't care' when all we want is a competitive squad and a bit of optimism. Listening on the internet last night, I heard what I regard as some sound, solid consistent thinking, but I'll be the first to admit it needs backing up with some sound, solid (and immediate) action. Then Paul Barber won't have to explain the philosophy on ticket prices because, frankly, we won't care.[/p][/quote]As usual some common clear comments from our man in Staffs. The mood music has been very anti all the pinstripes over the last week. Naylor quite correctly has come in for criticism ad it will take him along time to gain any credibility. I hope come end of the Month w will have some quality additions . I travel on Friday this time for a home game with little enthusiasm. I hope when I get back on Sunday night l will be feeling happier than I am at present Sami needs support and some time . He clearly is worried by some of his comments and lack of as well. woodcroft
  • Score: 19

3:06pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
Just looked on the Middlesboro Newspaper site and the Clayton ´deal´has hit a snag!! Although Middlesboro still reckon they will get their man. Could we still be in with a shout---or have we walked away from that one??
Says nothing about a snag!
yeah it does, check out news now. Clayton's move appears to be a cash plus player deal, the snag being the player.
HIJACK THE DEAL TONY!!!So if they want a player as well give them Augestein plus 1.75 million. Simples! Vegas get on the phone to Uncle Tony!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Just looked on the Middlesboro Newspaper site and the Clayton ´deal´has hit a snag!! Although Middlesboro still reckon they will get their man. Could we still be in with a shout---or have we walked away from that one??[/p][/quote]Says nothing about a snag![/p][/quote]yeah it does, check out news now. Clayton's move appears to be a cash plus player deal, the snag being the player.[/p][/quote]HIJACK THE DEAL TONY!!!So if they want a player as well give them Augestein plus 1.75 million. Simples! Vegas get on the phone to Uncle Tony! Conelli98
  • Score: 6

3:08pm Wed 6 Aug 14

heshootshescores says...

People are usually pretty upbeat after the fans' forum. The fact that most of us aren't buying the spin this year tells its own story.

I think the club's PR leaves a lot to be desired. They don't seem too keen to communicate through the local media. Of course, they're not going to like every story the Argus prints but the newspaper has been pretty supportive of the club over the years. Perhaps if they gave AN a few more facts, he wouldn't have to run so many speculative stories?

It's all very well telling us the fans we'll be happy with the squad come August 31 but the season doesn't start on that date...it starts this Saturday. We have a home game and we need to pick up three points.

It's bad enough targeting lower league players like Clayton, Baldock and Ward (and by lower league I mean outside the Premier League). But when you can't even sign players of this calibre, it suggests there is something very wrong with your recruitment policy and wage structure.

Nobody wants the club to mortgage its future. But after selling Ulloa, I did expect one or two marquee signings to excite me – and I still am.
People are usually pretty upbeat after the fans' forum. The fact that most of us aren't buying the spin this year tells its own story. I think the club's PR leaves a lot to be desired. They don't seem too keen to communicate through the local media. Of course, they're not going to like every story the Argus prints but the newspaper has been pretty supportive of the club over the years. Perhaps if they gave AN a few more facts, he wouldn't have to run so many speculative stories? It's all very well telling us the fans we'll be happy with the squad come August 31 but the season doesn't start on that date...it starts this Saturday. We have a home game and we need to pick up three points. It's bad enough targeting lower league players like Clayton, Baldock and Ward (and by lower league I mean outside the Premier League). But when you can't even sign players of this calibre, it suggests there is something very wrong with your recruitment policy and wage structure. Nobody wants the club to mortgage its future. But after selling Ulloa, I did expect one or two marquee signings to excite me – and I still am. heshootshescores
  • Score: 2

3:22pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Conelli98 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
Just looked on the Middlesboro Newspaper site and the Clayton ´deal´has hit a snag!! Although Middlesboro still reckon they will get their man. Could we still be in with a shout---or have we walked away from that one??
Says nothing about a snag!
yeah it does, check out news now. Clayton's move appears to be a cash plus player deal, the snag being the player.
HIJACK THE DEAL TONY!!!So if they want a player as well give them Augestein plus 1.75 million. Simples! Vegas get on the phone to Uncle Tony!
Uncle Tony prefers cash only deals, player plus deals can get complicated, just as this one has. The question is, will a bid of 1.75M cash be enough to hijack the deal.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Just looked on the Middlesboro Newspaper site and the Clayton ´deal´has hit a snag!! Although Middlesboro still reckon they will get their man. Could we still be in with a shout---or have we walked away from that one??[/p][/quote]Says nothing about a snag![/p][/quote]yeah it does, check out news now. Clayton's move appears to be a cash plus player deal, the snag being the player.[/p][/quote]HIJACK THE DEAL TONY!!!So if they want a player as well give them Augestein plus 1.75 million. Simples! Vegas get on the phone to Uncle Tony![/p][/quote]Uncle Tony prefers cash only deals, player plus deals can get complicated, just as this one has. The question is, will a bid of 1.75M cash be enough to hijack the deal. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

3:23pm Wed 6 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Tomorrow TALKSPORT radio,Colin Murray show,the championship teams will be discussed regarding the up and coming season.

Today it was League 1.

Interesting listening , neutral people.
Tomorrow TALKSPORT radio,Colin Murray show,the championship teams will be discussed regarding the up and coming season. Today it was League 1. Interesting listening , neutral people. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 4

3:25pm Wed 6 Aug 14

jarmonesque says...

So excited for Saturday, three points in the bag
So excited for Saturday, three points in the bag jarmonesque
  • Score: -9

3:48pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Beale32 says...

Mad Mark wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
One other thing that seemed to be clear last night was Tony Bloom's veiled, yet clear, criticism of The Argus.

Please remember Tony. The pen is mightier than the sword! These guys, despite the fact that their interests often clash with the interests of the club, have their own job to do . It is part of your executive's and senior staff's job to work in a harmonious relationship with them .

I find it interesting that there was a time recently when all their articles seemed to be so positively supportive of the club. Things seemed to have changed there as well. We also do not seem to get as much coverage as a club from the national press despite achieving reaching the play offs the past two seasons.

People do business with people - when they're made to feel welcome, listened to and respected. I hope that applies to the press too at our club!
The problem arises from a sincere dislike of Andy Naylor from the club, the guy is a very poor excuse of a journalist, when no news is forthcoming from the club he has a habit of raking up old stories or plain fantasy. Where did the story come from about the imminent signing of Clayton, Baldock and Ward come from, for me it is worse to raise peoples hopes regarding good players signing and then three days later reporting that they are signing for another championship side, this disappointment is far worse than not knowing when or if players are coming. Please Mr Naylor state 'the club are refusing to talk regarding possible transfers' which is far better than making up garbage just to fill your day
People keep slagging of naylor but all these people return to read what he has to say. If they are so against him, why keep reading his reports?
[quote][p][bold]Mad Mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: One other thing that seemed to be clear last night was Tony Bloom's veiled, yet clear, criticism of The Argus. Please remember Tony. The pen is mightier than the sword! These guys, despite the fact that their interests often clash with the interests of the club, have their own job to do . It is part of your executive's and senior staff's job to work in a harmonious relationship with them . I find it interesting that there was a time recently when all their articles seemed to be so positively supportive of the club. Things seemed to have changed there as well. We also do not seem to get as much coverage as a club from the national press despite achieving reaching the play offs the past two seasons. People do business with people - when they're made to feel welcome, listened to and respected. I hope that applies to the press too at our club![/p][/quote]The problem arises from a sincere dislike of Andy Naylor from the club, the guy is a very poor excuse of a journalist, when no news is forthcoming from the club he has a habit of raking up old stories or plain fantasy. Where did the story come from about the imminent signing of Clayton, Baldock and Ward come from, for me it is worse to raise peoples hopes regarding good players signing and then three days later reporting that they are signing for another championship side, this disappointment is far worse than not knowing when or if players are coming. Please Mr Naylor state 'the club are refusing to talk regarding possible transfers' which is far better than making up garbage just to fill your day[/p][/quote]People keep slagging of naylor but all these people return to read what he has to say. If they are so against him, why keep reading his reports? Beale32
  • Score: -2

3:54pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

For those thinking that our competitors have got their teams together ready for the season, take a look at who is still doing business. The list of teams is taken from Sky Sports live updates.

Derby, Wolves, Boro, B.Pool, Brentford, Sheff Wed, Charlton, Huddersfield and Forest, and this lot are just from today's news reports, and all are inward deals not outward. Tomorrow I am sure other names will be added to the list, I didn't even bother looking at yesterday's reports.
For those thinking that our competitors have got their teams together ready for the season, take a look at who is still doing business. The list of teams is taken from Sky Sports live updates. Derby, Wolves, Boro, B.Pool, Brentford, Sheff Wed, Charlton, Huddersfield and Forest, and this lot are just from today's news reports, and all are inward deals not outward. Tomorrow I am sure other names will be added to the list, I didn't even bother looking at yesterday's reports. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

3:55pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Max Ripple says...

Last nights forum was a joke. A wasted hour of my life.
Last nights forum was a joke. A wasted hour of my life. Max Ripple
  • Score: -6

3:58pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Beale32 says...

9 of us wrote:
there's only 5 of you posting.
Threads too long.
Boring material, like the rest on the Argus website. The article about the bloke drinking acid says it all
If you get all 9 of you posting then there will be 14, and just maybe the 9 of you can make short post and more interesting!!
[quote][p][bold]9 of us[/bold] wrote: there's only 5 of you posting. Threads too long. Boring material, like the rest on the Argus website. The article about the bloke drinking acid says it all[/p][/quote]If you get all 9 of you posting then there will be 14, and just maybe the 9 of you can make short post and more interesting!! Beale32
  • Score: 1

4:00pm Wed 6 Aug 14

rolivan says...

Beale32 wrote:
Mad Mark wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
One other thing that seemed to be clear last night was Tony Bloom's veiled, yet clear, criticism of The Argus.

Please remember Tony. The pen is mightier than the sword! These guys, despite the fact that their interests often clash with the interests of the club, have their own job to do . It is part of your executive's and senior staff's job to work in a harmonious relationship with them .

I find it interesting that there was a time recently when all their articles seemed to be so positively supportive of the club. Things seemed to have changed there as well. We also do not seem to get as much coverage as a club from the national press despite achieving reaching the play offs the past two seasons.

People do business with people - when they're made to feel welcome, listened to and respected. I hope that applies to the press too at our club!
The problem arises from a sincere dislike of Andy Naylor from the club, the guy is a very poor excuse of a journalist, when no news is forthcoming from the club he has a habit of raking up old stories or plain fantasy. Where did the story come from about the imminent signing of Clayton, Baldock and Ward come from, for me it is worse to raise peoples hopes regarding good players signing and then three days later reporting that they are signing for another championship side, this disappointment is far worse than not knowing when or if players are coming. Please Mr Naylor state 'the club are refusing to talk regarding possible transfers' which is far better than making up garbage just to fill your day
People keep slagging of naylor but all these people return to read what he has to say. If they are so against him, why keep reading his reports?
Andy Naylor has had more hits on his last couple of 'stories' than the entire paper for about a month . The people who pay his wages will be pleased.
[quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad Mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: One other thing that seemed to be clear last night was Tony Bloom's veiled, yet clear, criticism of The Argus. Please remember Tony. The pen is mightier than the sword! These guys, despite the fact that their interests often clash with the interests of the club, have their own job to do . It is part of your executive's and senior staff's job to work in a harmonious relationship with them . I find it interesting that there was a time recently when all their articles seemed to be so positively supportive of the club. Things seemed to have changed there as well. We also do not seem to get as much coverage as a club from the national press despite achieving reaching the play offs the past two seasons. People do business with people - when they're made to feel welcome, listened to and respected. I hope that applies to the press too at our club![/p][/quote]The problem arises from a sincere dislike of Andy Naylor from the club, the guy is a very poor excuse of a journalist, when no news is forthcoming from the club he has a habit of raking up old stories or plain fantasy. Where did the story come from about the imminent signing of Clayton, Baldock and Ward come from, for me it is worse to raise peoples hopes regarding good players signing and then three days later reporting that they are signing for another championship side, this disappointment is far worse than not knowing when or if players are coming. Please Mr Naylor state 'the club are refusing to talk regarding possible transfers' which is far better than making up garbage just to fill your day[/p][/quote]People keep slagging of naylor but all these people return to read what he has to say. If they are so against him, why keep reading his reports?[/p][/quote]Andy Naylor has had more hits on his last couple of 'stories' than the entire paper for about a month . The people who pay his wages will be pleased. rolivan
  • Score: 7

4:02pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

jarmonesque wrote:
So excited for Saturday, three points in the bag
You must be a Wednesday fan then!😜
[quote][p][bold]jarmonesque[/bold] wrote: So excited for Saturday, three points in the bag[/p][/quote]You must be a Wednesday fan then!😜 Conelli98
  • Score: -1

4:26pm Wed 6 Aug 14

AlfieT says...

Conelli98 wrote:
jarmonesque wrote:
So excited for Saturday, three points in the bag
You must be a Wednesday fan then!😜
Some posters just don't have a sense of humour!
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jarmonesque[/bold] wrote: So excited for Saturday, three points in the bag[/p][/quote]You must be a Wednesday fan then!😜[/p][/quote]Some posters just don't have a sense of humour! AlfieT
  • Score: 5

4:39pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Our opponets on saturday have brought in 4 players on loan, 3 on free transfers and bought one for money. Having checked out who they are, none of them stands out as being anything special.
The betting is, 10/11 Brighton win, 11/5 the draw and 14/5 Wednesday to win, prices from Sky betting.
Our opponets on saturday have brought in 4 players on loan, 3 on free transfers and bought one for money. Having checked out who they are, none of them stands out as being anything special. The betting is, 10/11 Brighton win, 11/5 the draw and 14/5 Wednesday to win, prices from Sky betting. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -4

4:40pm Wed 6 Aug 14

mikeygit says...

Conelli----I will accept your apology over the Clayton transfer hiccup!!
Conelli----I will accept your apology over the Clayton transfer hiccup!! mikeygit
  • Score: 0

4:42pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Piglet1 says...

Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Please do stay away as even if you did come you would no doubt moan the whole game and upset everyone around you.
[quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Please do stay away as even if you did come you would no doubt moan the whole game and upset everyone around you. Piglet1
  • Score: -1

4:45pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Piglet1 says...

ringtone wrote:
Not interested in players like stockdale, barnsley bloke, clayton,baldock and ward.

I want some stellar names and i want them now.
Please go watch another team.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: Not interested in players like stockdale, barnsley bloke, clayton,baldock and ward. I want some stellar names and i want them now.[/p][/quote]Please go watch another team. Piglet1
  • Score: 2

4:50pm Wed 6 Aug 14

New Jersey Seagull says...

At the end of the day, FFP is what is referred to in the US as salary cap and for a team to be profitable the percentage of player salaries should be somewhere between 50 and 60% of turnover. As of today, BHA has 21 players listed in the squad and even using the ten thousand pounds a week maximum as the average this represents approximately 43% of overall turnover. Obviously, certain players will be earning far less and that can accommodate the cost of development squad players and sundry benefits received. What clubs can do is to make this percentage appear significantly higher is to add in the cost of putting players on the pitch, including medical staff, coaches, trainers, administrators etc. However, as with any employee, players are more concerned about what is in their pocket at the end of the week and to date this has been the problem with BHA’s transfer policy. By senior administrators saying that players will sign by the end of the transfer window, they are hoping that the supply of quality players will eventually outstrip demand and that wages, sign on bonuses and loanee costs will allow BHA to maintain their salary cap. The problem with this approach is that the anticipated players might not be available and players commanding significant transfer (the money from Bridcutt and Ulloa) fees will expect wages above the hard salary cap and this might have been the problem for Clayton.

UTA
At the end of the day, FFP is what is referred to in the US as salary cap and for a team to be profitable the percentage of player salaries should be somewhere between 50 and 60% of turnover. As of today, BHA has 21 players listed in the squad and even using the ten thousand pounds a week maximum as the average this represents approximately 43% of overall turnover. Obviously, certain players will be earning far less and that can accommodate the cost of development squad players and sundry benefits received. What clubs can do is to make this percentage appear significantly higher is to add in the cost of putting players on the pitch, including medical staff, coaches, trainers, administrators etc. However, as with any employee, players are more concerned about what is in their pocket at the end of the week and to date this has been the problem with BHA’s transfer policy. By senior administrators saying that players will sign by the end of the transfer window, they are hoping that the supply of quality players will eventually outstrip demand and that wages, sign on bonuses and loanee costs will allow BHA to maintain their salary cap. The problem with this approach is that the anticipated players might not be available and players commanding significant transfer (the money from Bridcutt and Ulloa) fees will expect wages above the hard salary cap and this might have been the problem for Clayton. UTA New Jersey Seagull
  • Score: 1

4:54pm Wed 6 Aug 14

daughter-of-manag says...

Beale32 wrote:
Mad Mark wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
One other thing that seemed to be clear last night was Tony Bloom's veiled, yet clear, criticism of The Argus.

Please remember Tony. The pen is mightier than the sword! These guys, despite the fact that their interests often clash with the interests of the club, have their own job to do . It is part of your executive's and senior staff's job to work in a harmonious relationship with them .

I find it interesting that there was a time recently when all their articles seemed to be so positively supportive of the club. Things seemed to have changed there as well. We also do not seem to get as much coverage as a club from the national press despite achieving reaching the play offs the past two seasons.

People do business with people - when they're made to feel welcome, listened to and respected. I hope that applies to the press too at our club!
The problem arises from a sincere dislike of Andy Naylor from the club, the guy is a very poor excuse of a journalist, when no news is forthcoming from the club he has a habit of raking up old stories or plain fantasy. Where did the story come from about the imminent signing of Clayton, Baldock and Ward come from, for me it is worse to raise peoples hopes regarding good players signing and then three days later reporting that they are signing for another championship side, this disappointment is far worse than not knowing when or if players are coming. Please Mr Naylor state 'the club are refusing to talk regarding possible transfers' which is far better than making up garbage just to fill your day
People keep slagging of naylor but all these people return to read what he has to say. If they are so against him, why keep reading his reports?
"People keep slagging of naylor but all these people return to read what he has to say. If they are so against him, why keep reading his reports?"

It's "slagging "off," not "of."

If people keep slagging "off" elected governments. why keep voting? If there wasn't an opportunity to read posts, or add a comment here or there .... I probably wouldn't. His "interesting" journalism has stirred up the pot, just look at the amount of postings that have occurred on the site.

Although he put his foot in his mouth re. the signing of the famous "trio," he was just doing his job, and (at least) I was excited for a few minutes until I realized that it was probably untrue.
[quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad Mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: One other thing that seemed to be clear last night was Tony Bloom's veiled, yet clear, criticism of The Argus. Please remember Tony. The pen is mightier than the sword! These guys, despite the fact that their interests often clash with the interests of the club, have their own job to do . It is part of your executive's and senior staff's job to work in a harmonious relationship with them . I find it interesting that there was a time recently when all their articles seemed to be so positively supportive of the club. Things seemed to have changed there as well. We also do not seem to get as much coverage as a club from the national press despite achieving reaching the play offs the past two seasons. People do business with people - when they're made to feel welcome, listened to and respected. I hope that applies to the press too at our club![/p][/quote]The problem arises from a sincere dislike of Andy Naylor from the club, the guy is a very poor excuse of a journalist, when no news is forthcoming from the club he has a habit of raking up old stories or plain fantasy. Where did the story come from about the imminent signing of Clayton, Baldock and Ward come from, for me it is worse to raise peoples hopes regarding good players signing and then three days later reporting that they are signing for another championship side, this disappointment is far worse than not knowing when or if players are coming. Please Mr Naylor state 'the club are refusing to talk regarding possible transfers' which is far better than making up garbage just to fill your day[/p][/quote]People keep slagging of naylor but all these people return to read what he has to say. If they are so against him, why keep reading his reports?[/p][/quote]"People keep slagging of naylor but all these people return to read what he has to say. If they are so against him, why keep reading his reports?" It's "slagging "off," not "of." If people keep slagging "off" elected governments. why keep voting? If there wasn't an opportunity to read posts, or add a comment here or there .... I probably wouldn't. His "interesting" journalism has stirred up the pot, just look at the amount of postings that have occurred on the site. Although he put his foot in his mouth re. the signing of the famous "trio," he was just doing his job, and (at least) I was excited for a few minutes until I realized that it was probably untrue. daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 11

5:00pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

New Jersey Seagull wrote:
At the end of the day, FFP is what is referred to in the US as salary cap and for a team to be profitable the percentage of player salaries should be somewhere between 50 and 60% of turnover. As of today, BHA has 21 players listed in the squad and even using the ten thousand pounds a week maximum as the average this represents approximately 43% of overall turnover. Obviously, certain players will be earning far less and that can accommodate the cost of development squad players and sundry benefits received. What clubs can do is to make this percentage appear significantly higher is to add in the cost of putting players on the pitch, including medical staff, coaches, trainers, administrators etc. However, as with any employee, players are more concerned about what is in their pocket at the end of the week and to date this has been the problem with BHA’s transfer policy. By senior administrators saying that players will sign by the end of the transfer window, they are hoping that the supply of quality players will eventually outstrip demand and that wages, sign on bonuses and loanee costs will allow BHA to maintain their salary cap. The problem with this approach is that the anticipated players might not be available and players commanding significant transfer (the money from Bridcutt and Ulloa) fees will expect wages above the hard salary cap and this might have been the problem for Clayton.

UTA
There is something done in the MLS that isn't done in the Uk system or just about anyother system, and it goes to maintaining the salary cap.

MLS players earn a lot less than many would think, apart form the big names that is. In many, if not most cases, it is the MLS management team that set the price of a player and not his club, in fact many players move for nothing, a weak club will be given playes from one or more of the stronger clubs.
If you like it's a version of FFP, the MLS does all it can to maintain the survival of all clubs so as to not reduce the number of clubs in the league.
[quote][p][bold]New Jersey Seagull[/bold] wrote: At the end of the day, FFP is what is referred to in the US as salary cap and for a team to be profitable the percentage of player salaries should be somewhere between 50 and 60% of turnover. As of today, BHA has 21 players listed in the squad and even using the ten thousand pounds a week maximum as the average this represents approximately 43% of overall turnover. Obviously, certain players will be earning far less and that can accommodate the cost of development squad players and sundry benefits received. What clubs can do is to make this percentage appear significantly higher is to add in the cost of putting players on the pitch, including medical staff, coaches, trainers, administrators etc. However, as with any employee, players are more concerned about what is in their pocket at the end of the week and to date this has been the problem with BHA’s transfer policy. By senior administrators saying that players will sign by the end of the transfer window, they are hoping that the supply of quality players will eventually outstrip demand and that wages, sign on bonuses and loanee costs will allow BHA to maintain their salary cap. The problem with this approach is that the anticipated players might not be available and players commanding significant transfer (the money from Bridcutt and Ulloa) fees will expect wages above the hard salary cap and this might have been the problem for Clayton. UTA[/p][/quote]There is something done in the MLS that isn't done in the Uk system or just about anyother system, and it goes to maintaining the salary cap. MLS players earn a lot less than many would think, apart form the big names that is. In many, if not most cases, it is the MLS management team that set the price of a player and not his club, in fact many players move for nothing, a weak club will be given playes from one or more of the stronger clubs. If you like it's a version of FFP, the MLS does all it can to maintain the survival of all clubs so as to not reduce the number of clubs in the league. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

5:01pm Wed 6 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Having had a night to sleep on the events of yesterday, and taking into account what Bloom said about targets arriving by August, I can only assume that we have targets that are currently residing in the prem div or the equivalent abroad. I don't rule out the possibility that one or more might not be, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense. We have the money, we have the need, our competitors are getting players but we seem to be dragging our heels, so why.

We all hoped that Hyypia would use his contacts in the prem to get some quality in, well maybe he is doing exactly that, but as we all know the prem clubs are still working thru their own transfer issues, and their season starts after ours.

The forum is done and dusted, the first match of this season is only days away, it's time to start speculating on just how Sami will line up the players he has, rather than worrying about those we don't have.
After having a nice sleep you come up with, yes-maybe-no,ussual, crap.WE HAVE THE MONEY ???
SH did use his contacts SL look what happend.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Having had a night to sleep on the events of yesterday, and taking into account what Bloom said about targets arriving by August, I can only assume that we have targets that are currently residing in the prem div or the equivalent abroad. I don't rule out the possibility that one or more might not be, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense. We have the money, we have the need, our competitors are getting players but we seem to be dragging our heels, so why. We all hoped that Hyypia would use his contacts in the prem to get some quality in, well maybe he is doing exactly that, but as we all know the prem clubs are still working thru their own transfer issues, and their season starts after ours. The forum is done and dusted, the first match of this season is only days away, it's time to start speculating on just how Sami will line up the players he has, rather than worrying about those we don't have.[/p][/quote]After having a nice sleep you come up with, yes-maybe-no,ussual, crap.WE HAVE THE MONEY ??? SH did use his contacts SL look what happend. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 1

5:04pm Wed 6 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

rolivan wrote:
Beale32 wrote:
Mad Mark wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
One other thing that seemed to be clear last night was Tony Bloom's veiled, yet clear, criticism of The Argus.

Please remember Tony. The pen is mightier than the sword! These guys, despite the fact that their interests often clash with the interests of the club, have their own job to do . It is part of your executive's and senior staff's job to work in a harmonious relationship with them .

I find it interesting that there was a time recently when all their articles seemed to be so positively supportive of the club. Things seemed to have changed there as well. We also do not seem to get as much coverage as a club from the national press despite achieving reaching the play offs the past two seasons.

People do business with people - when they're made to feel welcome, listened to and respected. I hope that applies to the press too at our club!
The problem arises from a sincere dislike of Andy Naylor from the club, the guy is a very poor excuse of a journalist, when no news is forthcoming from the club he has a habit of raking up old stories or plain fantasy. Where did the story come from about the imminent signing of Clayton, Baldock and Ward come from, for me it is worse to raise peoples hopes regarding good players signing and then three days later reporting that they are signing for another championship side, this disappointment is far worse than not knowing when or if players are coming. Please Mr Naylor state 'the club are refusing to talk regarding possible transfers' which is far better than making up garbage just to fill your day
People keep slagging of naylor but all these people return to read what he has to say. If they are so against him, why keep reading his reports?
Andy Naylor has had more hits on his last couple of 'stories' than the entire paper for about a month . The people who pay his wages will be pleased.
In defence of Naylor and specifically his report re the potential/expected signing of Messrs Baldock, Clayton and Ward some of the information is coming from elsewhere.
BALDOCK. Steve Cotterill confirms that Brighton have made an approach for Baldock (see BBC Sports).
CLAYTON: Sky Sports ran a story saying he was close o signing for BHA although now it seems he is going to Boro not that I have seen any official announcement yet. According to a local Huddersfield paper the football club (HTFC) said last night (Tuesday) that no deal had been agreed to sell Clayton to Middlesbrough.
Fairly certain however that Clayton is being sold by Huddersfield since Liverpool have just accepted a £500,000 bid from them for midfielder Conor Coady.
WARD: The FRST4LCFC website is currently reporting that BHA have cooled their interest in Konchesky because they are moving in on Ward.
So it would appear that Naylor did hear/pick up something regarding all 3 of the players mentioned and therefore it is not unreasonable for the Argus to have run the story.
I only wish that there had been some real substance to these rumours and that we can acquire the players concerned.
However I will keep dreaming and look forward to hearing of the signing of, to quote TB, a 'few' new players whether it is this transfer window or (knowing our luck) the next !
UTA
[quote][p][bold]rolivan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beale32[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mad Mark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WisdomSpeaks[/bold] wrote: One other thing that seemed to be clear last night was Tony Bloom's veiled, yet clear, criticism of The Argus. Please remember Tony. The pen is mightier than the sword! These guys, despite the fact that their interests often clash with the interests of the club, have their own job to do . It is part of your executive's and senior staff's job to work in a harmonious relationship with them . I find it interesting that there was a time recently when all their articles seemed to be so positively supportive of the club. Things seemed to have changed there as well. We also do not seem to get as much coverage as a club from the national press despite achieving reaching the play offs the past two seasons. People do business with people - when they're made to feel welcome, listened to and respected. I hope that applies to the press too at our club![/p][/quote]The problem arises from a sincere dislike of Andy Naylor from the club, the guy is a very poor excuse of a journalist, when no news is forthcoming from the club he has a habit of raking up old stories or plain fantasy. Where did the story come from about the imminent signing of Clayton, Baldock and Ward come from, for me it is worse to raise peoples hopes regarding good players signing and then three days later reporting that they are signing for another championship side, this disappointment is far worse than not knowing when or if players are coming. Please Mr Naylor state 'the club are refusing to talk regarding possible transfers' which is far better than making up garbage just to fill your day[/p][/quote]People keep slagging of naylor but all these people return to read what he has to say. If they are so against him, why keep reading his reports?[/p][/quote]Andy Naylor has had more hits on his last couple of 'stories' than the entire paper for about a month . The people who pay his wages will be pleased.[/p][/quote]In defence of Naylor and specifically his report re the potential/expected signing of Messrs Baldock, Clayton and Ward some of the information is coming from elsewhere. BALDOCK. Steve Cotterill confirms that Brighton have made an approach for Baldock (see BBC Sports). CLAYTON: Sky Sports ran a story saying he was close o signing for BHA although now it seems he is going to Boro not that I have seen any official announcement yet. According to a local Huddersfield paper the football club (HTFC) said last night (Tuesday) that no deal had been agreed to sell Clayton to Middlesbrough. Fairly certain however that Clayton is being sold by Huddersfield since Liverpool have just accepted a £500,000 bid from them for midfielder Conor Coady. WARD: The FRST4LCFC website is currently reporting that BHA have cooled their interest in Konchesky because they are moving in on Ward. So it would appear that Naylor did hear/pick up something regarding all 3 of the players mentioned and therefore it is not unreasonable for the Argus to have run the story. I only wish that there had been some real substance to these rumours and that we can acquire the players concerned. However I will keep dreaming and look forward to hearing of the signing of, to quote TB, a 'few' new players whether it is this transfer window or (knowing our luck) the next ! UTA ballantrrae
  • Score: 8

5:08pm Wed 6 Aug 14

tug509 says...

Hazey James wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I have one question that I would of liked an answer for .TB says that because the transfer window closes at the end of August ,we should be patient and wait until then for a full and competitive squad ,I would hope that if the TW closed at the end of October we would not have to wait until then . But the points are : 1/Why do all other clubs including those like us (no parachute payments) get their squad sorted in time ?. 2/If we are a well run club ,why when we know when the TW closes do we still leave it to the last minute ,when we know it will hamper Sami and the squad integrate ?. 3/If the TW was moved to the end of July ( I wish ) before the first game of the season ,would we be able to get ourselves sorted in time ,and if so ,why have we failed in 4 straight seasons to do this ?.
1. Which clubs have got their squads sorted and, if those you name make further additions before end of August, are they just extras?

2. Because that is how you get the best deal and therefore the guest number of players in.

3. I presume we'd be in the same position as we are at end of August currently so yes. Don't understand what you mean by not being ready in last 4 seasons. We won the league and finished in playoffs twice. The odd one out of those seasons probably had the biggest and earliest activity (first season at Amex, cms, Buckley, Hoskins etc etc).

My question to you. If we're never ready then why did we make such fast starts in 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons? Think we we're top after first few games both seasons?
1/We let go or sold 15 players in total I believe ,we have added 4 ,we were already 4 players light to start with from January ,so mathematically at least are seriously depleted ,and heavily relying on the DS lads .TB said last night he "hopes" to have at least a couple more by end of August ,meanwhile Sheff Wed ,remember them ,well they have I believe it`s 10 new players without the same out goings ,H,field had at last count added 11 new players similarly without the same departures .Now you tell me compared with similar clubs are we sorted for the new season ,or are they ?.
Any additions for a club that is as active as most have been ,at the end of the TW ,I would suggest are the "final touches" ,not like us buying our Christmas presents at a petrol station on the 24th of December !.
2/Absolute crap ,you do not get the best by watching every other team have first choice ,and with 10 teams on parapay we need to be in like flint ,yes there are always likely to be good players left at the end of the TW ,and history has told us that burke will choose someone like Dobbie ,Hammond (who did a turn ) Obika or Lita ,or unless you believe the best players are always the last to be sold ,and always at bargain prices ,please !.
3/What I mean by not being ready is ,what we will see on Saturday ,we will struggle with a scratch team ,they will have a far more settled squad ,we will win (2-1) but it wont be anywhere near the same quality of play as we will see in November for instance ,"not being ready means exactly that ,if your not at least near to complete ,we are not ,the 2 I mentioned are . The last 4 seasons includes this one ,as we now know there is little likelihood of any additions before KO Saturday ,and we have been in the exact same position on all previous seasons .
As for answering your question ,we made fast starts 2 out of 4 seasons that you mention ,equally we didn`t ?.
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I have one question that I would of liked an answer for .TB says that because the transfer window closes at the end of August ,we should be patient and wait until then for a full and competitive squad ,I would hope that if the TW closed at the end of October we would not have to wait until then . But the points are : 1/Why do all other clubs including those like us (no parachute payments) get their squad sorted in time ?. 2/If we are a well run club ,why when we know when the TW closes do we still leave it to the last minute ,when we know it will hamper Sami and the squad integrate ?. 3/If the TW was moved to the end of July ( I wish ) before the first game of the season ,would we be able to get ourselves sorted in time ,and if so ,why have we failed in 4 straight seasons to do this ?.[/p][/quote]1. Which clubs have got their squads sorted and, if those you name make further additions before end of August, are they just extras? 2. Because that is how you get the best deal and therefore the guest number of players in. 3. I presume we'd be in the same position as we are at end of August currently so yes. Don't understand what you mean by not being ready in last 4 seasons. We won the league and finished in playoffs twice. The odd one out of those seasons probably had the biggest and earliest activity (first season at Amex, cms, Buckley, Hoskins etc etc). My question to you. If we're never ready then why did we make such fast starts in 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons? Think we we're top after first few games both seasons?[/p][/quote]1/We let go or sold 15 players in total I believe ,we have added 4 ,we were already 4 players light to start with from January ,so mathematically at least are seriously depleted ,and heavily relying on the DS lads .TB said last night he "hopes" to have at least a couple more by end of August ,meanwhile Sheff Wed ,remember them ,well they have I believe it`s 10 new players without the same out goings ,H,field had at last count added 11 new players similarly without the same departures .Now you tell me compared with similar clubs are we sorted for the new season ,or are they ?. Any additions for a club that is as active as most have been ,at the end of the TW ,I would suggest are the "final touches" ,not like us buying our Christmas presents at a petrol station on the 24th of December !. 2/Absolute crap ,you do not get the best by watching every other team have first choice ,and with 10 teams on parapay we need to be in like flint ,yes there are always likely to be good players left at the end of the TW ,and history has told us that burke will choose someone like Dobbie ,Hammond (who did a turn ) Obika or Lita ,or unless you believe the best players are always the last to be sold ,and always at bargain prices ,please !. 3/What I mean by not being ready is ,what we will see on Saturday ,we will struggle with a scratch team ,they will have a far more settled squad ,we will win (2-1) but it wont be anywhere near the same quality of play as we will see in November for instance ,"not being ready means exactly that ,if your not at least near to complete ,we are not ,the 2 I mentioned are . The last 4 seasons includes this one ,as we now know there is little likelihood of any additions before KO Saturday ,and we have been in the exact same position on all previous seasons . As for answering your question ,we made fast starts 2 out of 4 seasons that you mention ,equally we didn`t ?. tug509
  • Score: 4

5:23pm Wed 6 Aug 14

tug509 says...

Piglet1 wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Not interested in players like stockdale, barnsley bloke, clayton,baldock and ward.

I want some stellar names and i want them now.
Please go watch another team.
NO ,Ringtone is integral to the master plan ,whatever it turns out to be !.
[quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: Not interested in players like stockdale, barnsley bloke, clayton,baldock and ward. I want some stellar names and i want them now.[/p][/quote]Please go watch another team.[/p][/quote]NO ,Ringtone is integral to the master plan ,whatever it turns out to be !. tug509
  • Score: 5

5:28pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

Peteinblack wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
twonk wrote:
I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.
What a muppet! Perhaps you want to tell us exactly how many players and which ones we need to sign before you grace us with your presence?! I am concerned with our current apparent lack of direction but I know that come 3pm Saturday I'll be cheering the boys from my regular seat in the Lower West! UTA
Is because 'fans' like you will keep turning up and paying hard-earned money to watch the Albion, however weakened the team is, or dull the football, that the 'suits' can get away with not investing in decent players, and putting up price every year.

They are taking people like you for granted, and you're letting them!
So, PeteInBlack, what you are actually proposing is that we all boycott games and achieve attendances of zero (plus away fans) just to make a point to the club, while harming the club finances further at the same time? Great idea! #facepalm

Ok, good luck with that!

What any true fan should REALLY do is to continue to support the team as much as physically and verbally possible and continue spending at games (within reasonable bounds).

Any qualms or major criticisms should be directed to the club via emails, fans forums and if necessary by protesting pre-and post- match at the stadium, inviting members of the press along for the ride if necessary.
[quote][p][bold]Peteinblack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.[/p][/quote]What a muppet! Perhaps you want to tell us exactly how many players and which ones we need to sign before you grace us with your presence?! I am concerned with our current apparent lack of direction but I know that come 3pm Saturday I'll be cheering the boys from my regular seat in the Lower West! UTA[/p][/quote]Is because 'fans' like you will keep turning up and paying hard-earned money to watch the Albion, however weakened the team is, or dull the football, that the 'suits' can get away with not investing in decent players, and putting up price every year. They are taking people like you for granted, and you're letting them![/p][/quote]So, PeteInBlack, what you are actually proposing is that we all boycott games and achieve attendances of zero (plus away fans) just to make a point to the club, while harming the club finances further at the same time? Great idea! #facepalm Ok, good luck with that! What any true fan should REALLY do is to continue to support the team as much as physically and verbally possible and continue spending at games (within reasonable bounds). Any qualms or major criticisms should be directed to the club via emails, fans forums and if necessary by protesting pre-and post- match at the stadium, inviting members of the press along for the ride if necessary. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 4

5:34pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
It seems to me the level of disquiet this morning is based around a feeling of "us and them" ?
The view that they don't care about the fans, seems purely based around the lack of signings - a fact I'm as frustrated about as anyone - and when there's frustration, fans vent their spleen about everything they can.
Suddenly, the pies are too expensive, the beer is too warm, but, mysteriously, a decent signing or two usually turns up the economy and turns down the chillers.
It's easy to say 'they don't care' when all we want is a competitive squad and a bit of optimism. Listening on the internet last night, I heard what I regard as some sound, solid consistent thinking, but I'll be the first to admit it needs backing up with some sound, solid (and immediate) action.
Then Paul Barber won't have to explain the philosophy on ticket prices because, frankly, we won't care.
Spot on, as usual, Staffs.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: It seems to me the level of disquiet this morning is based around a feeling of "us and them" ? The view that they don't care about the fans, seems purely based around the lack of signings - a fact I'm as frustrated about as anyone - and when there's frustration, fans vent their spleen about everything they can. Suddenly, the pies are too expensive, the beer is too warm, but, mysteriously, a decent signing or two usually turns up the economy and turns down the chillers. It's easy to say 'they don't care' when all we want is a competitive squad and a bit of optimism. Listening on the internet last night, I heard what I regard as some sound, solid consistent thinking, but I'll be the first to admit it needs backing up with some sound, solid (and immediate) action. Then Paul Barber won't have to explain the philosophy on ticket prices because, frankly, we won't care.[/p][/quote]Spot on, as usual, Staffs. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

5:39pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I have one question that I would of liked an answer for .TB says that because the transfer window closes at the end of August ,we should be patient and wait until then for a full and competitive squad ,I would hope that if the TW closed at the end of October we would not have to wait until then . But the points are : 1/Why do all other clubs including those like us (no parachute payments) get their squad sorted in time ?. 2/If we are a well run club ,why when we know when the TW closes do we still leave it to the last minute ,when we know it will hamper Sami and the squad integrate ?. 3/If the TW was moved to the end of July ( I wish ) before the first game of the season ,would we be able to get ourselves sorted in time ,and if so ,why have we failed in 4 straight seasons to do this ?.
1. Which clubs have got their squads sorted and, if those you name make further additions before end of August, are they just extras?

2. Because that is how you get the best deal and therefore the guest number of players in.

3. I presume we'd be in the same position as we are at end of August currently so yes. Don't understand what you mean by not being ready in last 4 seasons. We won the league and finished in playoffs twice. The odd one out of those seasons probably had the biggest and earliest activity (first season at Amex, cms, Buckley, Hoskins etc etc).

My question to you. If we're never ready then why did we make such fast starts in 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons? Think we we're top after first few games both seasons?
1/We let go or sold 15 players in total I believe ,we have added 4 ,we were already 4 players light to start with from January ,so mathematically at least are seriously depleted ,and heavily relying on the DS lads .TB said last night he "hopes" to have at least a couple more by end of August ,meanwhile Sheff Wed ,remember them ,well they have I believe it`s 10 new players without the same out goings ,H,field had at last count added 11 new players similarly without the same departures .Now you tell me compared with similar clubs are we sorted for the new season ,or are they ?.
Any additions for a club that is as active as most have been ,at the end of the TW ,I would suggest are the "final touches" ,not like us buying our Christmas presents at a petrol station on the 24th of December !.
2/Absolute crap ,you do not get the best by watching every other team have first choice ,and with 10 teams on parapay we need to be in like flint ,yes there are always likely to be good players left at the end of the TW ,and history has told us that burke will choose someone like Dobbie ,Hammond (who did a turn ) Obika or Lita ,or unless you believe the best players are always the last to be sold ,and always at bargain prices ,please !.
3/What I mean by not being ready is ,what we will see on Saturday ,we will struggle with a scratch team ,they will have a far more settled squad ,we will win (2-1) but it wont be anywhere near the same quality of play as we will see in November for instance ,"not being ready means exactly that ,if your not at least near to complete ,we are not ,the 2 I mentioned are . The last 4 seasons includes this one ,as we now know there is little likelihood of any additions before KO Saturday ,and we have been in the exact same position on all previous seasons .
As for answering your question ,we made fast starts 2 out of 4 seasons that you mention ,equally we didn`t ?.
Tug are you thinking that,JFC, Solly or Ince, are still development squad players? After their collective exploits of last season, I think now they are considered frist team squad players.

I still think that there is a deliberate plan to have a smaller squad than other seasons, smaller in a sense that the three young lads now have an elevated status at the club so are seen as three places filled thus cutting the number of players needed to be signed, and smaller in total number.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I have one question that I would of liked an answer for .TB says that because the transfer window closes at the end of August ,we should be patient and wait until then for a full and competitive squad ,I would hope that if the TW closed at the end of October we would not have to wait until then . But the points are : 1/Why do all other clubs including those like us (no parachute payments) get their squad sorted in time ?. 2/If we are a well run club ,why when we know when the TW closes do we still leave it to the last minute ,when we know it will hamper Sami and the squad integrate ?. 3/If the TW was moved to the end of July ( I wish ) before the first game of the season ,would we be able to get ourselves sorted in time ,and if so ,why have we failed in 4 straight seasons to do this ?.[/p][/quote]1. Which clubs have got their squads sorted and, if those you name make further additions before end of August, are they just extras? 2. Because that is how you get the best deal and therefore the guest number of players in. 3. I presume we'd be in the same position as we are at end of August currently so yes. Don't understand what you mean by not being ready in last 4 seasons. We won the league and finished in playoffs twice. The odd one out of those seasons probably had the biggest and earliest activity (first season at Amex, cms, Buckley, Hoskins etc etc). My question to you. If we're never ready then why did we make such fast starts in 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons? Think we we're top after first few games both seasons?[/p][/quote]1/We let go or sold 15 players in total I believe ,we have added 4 ,we were already 4 players light to start with from January ,so mathematically at least are seriously depleted ,and heavily relying on the DS lads .TB said last night he "hopes" to have at least a couple more by end of August ,meanwhile Sheff Wed ,remember them ,well they have I believe it`s 10 new players without the same out goings ,H,field had at last count added 11 new players similarly without the same departures .Now you tell me compared with similar clubs are we sorted for the new season ,or are they ?. Any additions for a club that is as active as most have been ,at the end of the TW ,I would suggest are the "final touches" ,not like us buying our Christmas presents at a petrol station on the 24th of December !. 2/Absolute crap ,you do not get the best by watching every other team have first choice ,and with 10 teams on parapay we need to be in like flint ,yes there are always likely to be good players left at the end of the TW ,and history has told us that burke will choose someone like Dobbie ,Hammond (who did a turn ) Obika or Lita ,or unless you believe the best players are always the last to be sold ,and always at bargain prices ,please !. 3/What I mean by not being ready is ,what we will see on Saturday ,we will struggle with a scratch team ,they will have a far more settled squad ,we will win (2-1) but it wont be anywhere near the same quality of play as we will see in November for instance ,"not being ready means exactly that ,if your not at least near to complete ,we are not ,the 2 I mentioned are . The last 4 seasons includes this one ,as we now know there is little likelihood of any additions before KO Saturday ,and we have been in the exact same position on all previous seasons . As for answering your question ,we made fast starts 2 out of 4 seasons that you mention ,equally we didn`t ?.[/p][/quote]Tug are you thinking that,JFC, Solly or Ince, are still development squad players? After their collective exploits of last season, I think now they are considered frist team squad players. I still think that there is a deliberate plan to have a smaller squad than other seasons, smaller in a sense that the three young lads now have an elevated status at the club so are seen as three places filled thus cutting the number of players needed to be signed, and smaller in total number. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

5:40pm Wed 6 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Having had a night to sleep on the events of yesterday, and taking into account what Bloom said about targets arriving by August, I can only assume that we have targets that are currently residing in the prem div or the equivalent abroad. I don't rule out the possibility that one or more might not be, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense. We have the money, we have the need, our competitors are getting players but we seem to be dragging our heels, so why.

We all hoped that Hyypia would use his contacts in the prem to get some quality in, well maybe he is doing exactly that, but as we all know the prem clubs are still working thru their own transfer issues, and their season starts after ours.

The forum is done and dusted, the first match of this season is only days away, it's time to start speculating on just how Sami will line up the players he has, rather than worrying about those we don't have.
After having a nice sleep you come up with, yes-maybe-no,ussual, crap.WE HAVE THE MONEY ???
SH did use his contacts SL look what happend.
Vegas reading your post it makes me wonder why we (the UK ) don't arrange the Transfer Windows so that the Football League's Windows always close say 2 or 3 days AFTER the Premier League's.
In that way the Premier League clubs would have finalised their 25 man squads and the Football League clubs would know what PL players might be available.
It would also ease the pressure of having everything on one day by having it spread across 2 making it easier for deals/paperwork to be completed.
No doubt FIFA and UEFA would object but Russia for example already has a window that is set after ours.
Comments ?
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Having had a night to sleep on the events of yesterday, and taking into account what Bloom said about targets arriving by August, I can only assume that we have targets that are currently residing in the prem div or the equivalent abroad. I don't rule out the possibility that one or more might not be, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense. We have the money, we have the need, our competitors are getting players but we seem to be dragging our heels, so why. We all hoped that Hyypia would use his contacts in the prem to get some quality in, well maybe he is doing exactly that, but as we all know the prem clubs are still working thru their own transfer issues, and their season starts after ours. The forum is done and dusted, the first match of this season is only days away, it's time to start speculating on just how Sami will line up the players he has, rather than worrying about those we don't have.[/p][/quote]After having a nice sleep you come up with, yes-maybe-no,ussual, crap.WE HAVE THE MONEY ??? SH did use his contacts SL look what happend.[/p][/quote]Vegas reading your post it makes me wonder why we (the UK ) don't arrange the Transfer Windows so that the Football League's Windows always close say 2 or 3 days AFTER the Premier League's. In that way the Premier League clubs would have finalised their 25 man squads and the Football League clubs would know what PL players might be available. It would also ease the pressure of having everything on one day by having it spread across 2 making it easier for deals/paperwork to be completed. No doubt FIFA and UEFA would object but Russia for example already has a window that is set after ours. Comments ? ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

5:53pm Wed 6 Aug 14

gordongull says...

The only surprising revelation yesterday evening was that Paul Barber takes Sami coffee.
Could this be to make sure the big man doesn't help himself to an FFP-busting measure?
The only surprising revelation yesterday evening was that Paul Barber takes Sami coffee. Could this be to make sure the big man doesn't help himself to an FFP-busting measure? gordongull
  • Score: 5

5:54pm Wed 6 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Peteinblack wrote:
brighton bluenose wrote:
twonk wrote:
I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.
What a muppet! Perhaps you want to tell us exactly how many players and which ones we need to sign before you grace us with your presence?! I am concerned with our current apparent lack of direction but I know that come 3pm Saturday I'll be cheering the boys from my regular seat in the Lower West! UTA
Is because 'fans' like you will keep turning up and paying hard-earned money to watch the Albion, however weakened the team is, or dull the football, that the 'suits' can get away with not investing in decent players, and putting up price every year.

They are taking people like you for granted, and you're letting them!
So, PeteInBlack, what you are actually proposing is that we all boycott games and achieve attendances of zero (plus away fans) just to make a point to the club, while harming the club finances further at the same time? Great idea! #facepalm

Ok, good luck with that!

What any true fan should REALLY do is to continue to support the team as much as physically and verbally possible and continue spending at games (within reasonable bounds).

Any qualms or major criticisms should be directed to the club via emails, fans forums and if necessary by protesting pre-and post- match at the stadium, inviting members of the press along for the ride if necessary.
What any true Albion fan WILL do is support,go to the games,how many do YOU estimate there are,apart from a home tie against ManU.

Forums do not think would work,unless straight to club.NSC-this site(lol)

Starting to think its we havelost the amex,down in league 2,playing to stay from being relegated
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peteinblack[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brighton bluenose[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.[/p][/quote]What a muppet! Perhaps you want to tell us exactly how many players and which ones we need to sign before you grace us with your presence?! I am concerned with our current apparent lack of direction but I know that come 3pm Saturday I'll be cheering the boys from my regular seat in the Lower West! UTA[/p][/quote]Is because 'fans' like you will keep turning up and paying hard-earned money to watch the Albion, however weakened the team is, or dull the football, that the 'suits' can get away with not investing in decent players, and putting up price every year. They are taking people like you for granted, and you're letting them![/p][/quote]So, PeteInBlack, what you are actually proposing is that we all boycott games and achieve attendances of zero (plus away fans) just to make a point to the club, while harming the club finances further at the same time? Great idea! #facepalm Ok, good luck with that! What any true fan should REALLY do is to continue to support the team as much as physically and verbally possible and continue spending at games (within reasonable bounds). Any qualms or major criticisms should be directed to the club via emails, fans forums and if necessary by protesting pre-and post- match at the stadium, inviting members of the press along for the ride if necessary.[/p][/quote]What any true Albion fan WILL do is support,go to the games,how many do YOU estimate there are,apart from a home tie against ManU. Forums do not think would work,unless straight to club.NSC-this site(lol) Starting to think its we havelost the amex,down in league 2,playing to stay from being relegated don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -5

5:58pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

ballantrrae wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Having had a night to sleep on the events of yesterday, and taking into account what Bloom said about targets arriving by August, I can only assume that we have targets that are currently residing in the prem div or the equivalent abroad. I don't rule out the possibility that one or more might not be, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense. We have the money, we have the need, our competitors are getting players but we seem to be dragging our heels, so why.

We all hoped that Hyypia would use his contacts in the prem to get some quality in, well maybe he is doing exactly that, but as we all know the prem clubs are still working thru their own transfer issues, and their season starts after ours.

The forum is done and dusted, the first match of this season is only days away, it's time to start speculating on just how Sami will line up the players he has, rather than worrying about those we don't have.
After having a nice sleep you come up with, yes-maybe-no,ussual, crap.WE HAVE THE MONEY ???
SH did use his contacts SL look what happend.
Vegas reading your post it makes me wonder why we (the UK ) don't arrange the Transfer Windows so that the Football League's Windows always close say 2 or 3 days AFTER the Premier League's.
In that way the Premier League clubs would have finalised their 25 man squads and the Football League clubs would know what PL players might be available.
It would also ease the pressure of having everything on one day by having it spread across 2 making it easier for deals/paperwork to be completed.
No doubt FIFA and UEFA would object but Russia for example already has a window that is set after ours.
Comments ?
Ballantrrae my predered option would be for the window to open the instant the season ends for all clubs, excluding cup matches if they are dated after the end of the regular season, and close on the day that the first match is played in the league.

Having all start and finish transfer business on the same day regardless of what division you are in would simplify matters a great deal. The loan window could run for one month after the cut off date.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Having had a night to sleep on the events of yesterday, and taking into account what Bloom said about targets arriving by August, I can only assume that we have targets that are currently residing in the prem div or the equivalent abroad. I don't rule out the possibility that one or more might not be, but if you think about it, it's the only thing that makes sense. We have the money, we have the need, our competitors are getting players but we seem to be dragging our heels, so why. We all hoped that Hyypia would use his contacts in the prem to get some quality in, well maybe he is doing exactly that, but as we all know the prem clubs are still working thru their own transfer issues, and their season starts after ours. The forum is done and dusted, the first match of this season is only days away, it's time to start speculating on just how Sami will line up the players he has, rather than worrying about those we don't have.[/p][/quote]After having a nice sleep you come up with, yes-maybe-no,ussual, crap.WE HAVE THE MONEY ??? SH did use his contacts SL look what happend.[/p][/quote]Vegas reading your post it makes me wonder why we (the UK ) don't arrange the Transfer Windows so that the Football League's Windows always close say 2 or 3 days AFTER the Premier League's. In that way the Premier League clubs would have finalised their 25 man squads and the Football League clubs would know what PL players might be available. It would also ease the pressure of having everything on one day by having it spread across 2 making it easier for deals/paperwork to be completed. No doubt FIFA and UEFA would object but Russia for example already has a window that is set after ours. Comments ?[/p][/quote]Ballantrrae my predered option would be for the window to open the instant the season ends for all clubs, excluding cup matches if they are dated after the end of the regular season, and close on the day that the first match is played in the league. Having all start and finish transfer business on the same day regardless of what division you are in would simplify matters a great deal. The loan window could run for one month after the cut off date. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

6:02pm Wed 6 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
For those thinking that our competitors have got their teams together ready for the season, take a look at who is still doing business. The list of teams is taken from Sky Sports live updates.

Derby, Wolves, Boro, B.Pool, Brentford, Sheff Wed, Charlton, Huddersfield and Forest, and this lot are just from today's news reports, and all are inward deals not outward. Tomorrow I am sure other names will be added to the list, I didn't even bother looking at yesterday's reports.
Vegas one small but perhaps vital point - Brighton's name wasn't amongst your list of club's signing players.
I think the main issue that posters are raising is that we have signed less than 50% of the players we want and need.
TB and Co acknowledged last night that they are frustrated over the protracted nature of trying to acquire 'main targets' . Bloom did confirm that they hoped to get a few new signings completed before the Window closes.
A few in my book means at least 4 or 5 not just 1 or 2.
My consistent concern is that the club focuses every season on the end of the Window 1 September rather than the start of the season - 9 August this year. I find it slightly odd that we are prepared to potentially drop points at the beginning of the season when over the whole of it EVERY point counts.
Like most on here I will be at the Amex on Saturday supporting the team and hoping to see 3 points safely 'banked'.
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: For those thinking that our competitors have got their teams together ready for the season, take a look at who is still doing business. The list of teams is taken from Sky Sports live updates. Derby, Wolves, Boro, B.Pool, Brentford, Sheff Wed, Charlton, Huddersfield and Forest, and this lot are just from today's news reports, and all are inward deals not outward. Tomorrow I am sure other names will be added to the list, I didn't even bother looking at yesterday's reports.[/p][/quote]Vegas one small but perhaps vital point - Brighton's name wasn't amongst your list of club's signing players. I think the main issue that posters are raising is that we have signed less than 50% of the players we want and need. TB and Co acknowledged last night that they are frustrated over the protracted nature of trying to acquire 'main targets' . Bloom did confirm that they hoped to get a few new signings completed before the Window closes. A few in my book means at least 4 or 5 not just 1 or 2. My consistent concern is that the club focuses every season on the end of the Window 1 September rather than the start of the season - 9 August this year. I find it slightly odd that we are prepared to potentially drop points at the beginning of the season when over the whole of it EVERY point counts. Like most on here I will be at the Amex on Saturday supporting the team and hoping to see 3 points safely 'banked'. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 5

6:21pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
For those thinking that our competitors have got their teams together ready for the season, take a look at who is still doing business. The list of teams is taken from Sky Sports live updates.

Derby, Wolves, Boro, B.Pool, Brentford, Sheff Wed, Charlton, Huddersfield and Forest, and this lot are just from today's news reports, and all are inward deals not outward. Tomorrow I am sure other names will be added to the list, I didn't even bother looking at yesterday's reports.
Vegas one small but perhaps vital point - Brighton's name wasn't amongst your list of club's signing players.
I think the main issue that posters are raising is that we have signed less than 50% of the players we want and need.
TB and Co acknowledged last night that they are frustrated over the protracted nature of trying to acquire 'main targets' . Bloom did confirm that they hoped to get a few new signings completed before the Window closes.
A few in my book means at least 4 or 5 not just 1 or 2.
My consistent concern is that the club focuses every season on the end of the Window 1 September rather than the start of the season - 9 August this year. I find it slightly odd that we are prepared to potentially drop points at the beginning of the season when over the whole of it EVERY point counts.
Like most on here I will be at the Amex on Saturday supporting the team and hoping to see 3 points safely 'banked'.
UTA.
My comment was intended to do nothing more than show that clubs in our division are still doing business, they are nowhere near the point of being done, just as we are not.

'A few,' to me means 3 or 4, and getting 3 or 4 is not beyond the realms of possibility prior to the window closing.

There is still the question of just how many do we need, opinions are some what divided in certain quarters. There are those that would like to see Chicksen given his chance this season, many others think we need a left back. Some would say that one more striker with Fenelon as cover would be ok, that would give us three plus one. I am up for one more center back, some say that Maksi and Dunk is enough.
Creative midfield player, well Crofts is back and we have Stephens.

Three could be enough, a defender, a versatile midfielder and a foward. The squad could be one or two smaller than last season in terms of total numbers.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: For those thinking that our competitors have got their teams together ready for the season, take a look at who is still doing business. The list of teams is taken from Sky Sports live updates. Derby, Wolves, Boro, B.Pool, Brentford, Sheff Wed, Charlton, Huddersfield and Forest, and this lot are just from today's news reports, and all are inward deals not outward. Tomorrow I am sure other names will be added to the list, I didn't even bother looking at yesterday's reports.[/p][/quote]Vegas one small but perhaps vital point - Brighton's name wasn't amongst your list of club's signing players. I think the main issue that posters are raising is that we have signed less than 50% of the players we want and need. TB and Co acknowledged last night that they are frustrated over the protracted nature of trying to acquire 'main targets' . Bloom did confirm that they hoped to get a few new signings completed before the Window closes. A few in my book means at least 4 or 5 not just 1 or 2. My consistent concern is that the club focuses every season on the end of the Window 1 September rather than the start of the season - 9 August this year. I find it slightly odd that we are prepared to potentially drop points at the beginning of the season when over the whole of it EVERY point counts. Like most on here I will be at the Amex on Saturday supporting the team and hoping to see 3 points safely 'banked'. UTA.[/p][/quote]My comment was intended to do nothing more than show that clubs in our division are still doing business, they are nowhere near the point of being done, just as we are not. 'A few,' to me means 3 or 4, and getting 3 or 4 is not beyond the realms of possibility prior to the window closing. There is still the question of just how many do we need, opinions are some what divided in certain quarters. There are those that would like to see Chicksen given his chance this season, many others think we need a left back. Some would say that one more striker with Fenelon as cover would be ok, that would give us three plus one. I am up for one more center back, some say that Maksi and Dunk is enough. Creative midfield player, well Crofts is back and we have Stephens. Three could be enough, a defender, a versatile midfielder and a foward. The squad could be one or two smaller than last season in terms of total numbers. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

6:24pm Wed 6 Aug 14

namgo49 says...

Liambhataylor19 says...


namgo49 wrote:

AlfieT wrote:
NSC posting that the Ward saga has been sorted barring a medical, announcement in a day or two?

About as in the know as the Argus!

The ward deal is a done deal according to twitter just waiting for ward to put pen to paper and sign a tree year deal. Also these two young kids look good hope they get some first team action. The future looks bright. Now bring on the new season and hope for promotion.

Well here we are two days on and no signing, explanation please Liambhataylor19
Liambhataylor19 says... namgo49 wrote: AlfieT wrote: NSC posting that the Ward saga has been sorted barring a medical, announcement in a day or two? About as in the know as the Argus! The ward deal is a done deal according to twitter just waiting for ward to put pen to paper and sign a tree year deal. Also these two young kids look good hope they get some first team action. The future looks bright. Now bring on the new season and hope for promotion. Well here we are two days on and no signing, explanation please Liambhataylor19 namgo49
  • Score: -1

6:28pm Wed 6 Aug 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I have one question that I would of liked an answer for .TB says that because the transfer window closes at the end of August ,we should be patient and wait until then for a full and competitive squad ,I would hope that if the TW closed at the end of October we would not have to wait until then . But the points are : 1/Why do all other clubs including those like us (no parachute payments) get their squad sorted in time ?. 2/If we are a well run club ,why when we know when the TW closes do we still leave it to the last minute ,when we know it will hamper Sami and the squad integrate ?. 3/If the TW was moved to the end of July ( I wish ) before the first game of the season ,would we be able to get ourselves sorted in time ,and if so ,why have we failed in 4 straight seasons to do this ?.
1. Which clubs have got their squads sorted and, if those you name make further additions before end of August, are they just extras?

2. Because that is how you get the best deal and therefore the guest number of players in.

3. I presume we'd be in the same position as we are at end of August currently so yes. Don't understand what you mean by not being ready in last 4 seasons. We won the league and finished in playoffs twice. The odd one out of those seasons probably had the biggest and earliest activity (first season at Amex, cms, Buckley, Hoskins etc etc).

My question to you. If we're never ready then why did we make such fast starts in 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons? Think we we're top after first few games both seasons?
1/We let go or sold 15 players in total I believe ,we have added 4 ,we were already 4 players light to start with from January ,so mathematically at least are seriously depleted ,and heavily relying on the DS lads .TB said last night he "hopes" to have at least a couple more by end of August ,meanwhile Sheff Wed ,remember them ,well they have I believe it`s 10 new players without the same out goings ,H,field had at last count added 11 new players similarly without the same departures .Now you tell me compared with similar clubs are we sorted for the new season ,or are they ?.
Any additions for a club that is as active as most have been ,at the end of the TW ,I would suggest are the "final touches" ,not like us buying our Christmas presents at a petrol station on the 24th of December !.
2/Absolute crap ,you do not get the best by watching every other team have first choice ,and with 10 teams on parapay we need to be in like flint ,yes there are always likely to be good players left at the end of the TW ,and history has told us that burke will choose someone like Dobbie ,Hammond (who did a turn ) Obika or Lita ,or unless you believe the best players are always the last to be sold ,and always at bargain prices ,please !.
3/What I mean by not being ready is ,what we will see on Saturday ,we will struggle with a scratch team ,they will have a far more settled squad ,we will win (2-1) but it wont be anywhere near the same quality of play as we will see in November for instance ,"not being ready means exactly that ,if your not at least near to complete ,we are not ,the 2 I mentioned are . The last 4 seasons includes this one ,as we now know there is little likelihood of any additions before KO Saturday ,and we have been in the exact same position on all previous seasons .
As for answering your question ,we made fast starts 2 out of 4 seasons that you mention ,equally we didn`t ?.
Tug are you thinking that,JFC, Solly or Ince, are still development squad players? After their collective exploits of last season, I think now they are considered frist team squad players.

I still think that there is a deliberate plan to have a smaller squad than other seasons, smaller in a sense that the three young lads now have an elevated status at the club so are seen as three places filled thus cutting the number of players needed to be signed, and smaller in total number.
Bloody stupid computer ,I had just written an answer and now lost it ,not the first time today .

Sorry Vegas ,yes I included those 3 lads in the full squad ,we lost 4 lads in Jan and since have sold or let go a total of 15 according to what I read on here ,how many are DS I`m not sure ,but we all know how seriously in the mire we are at present ,unless as I think it was OldGull suggested we join a 5 aside league .I agreed with you in the past that a smaller higher quality squad would work well ,but to achieve that these tosspots need to actually give us a viable squad ,as apposed to their budget team and large but untouchable bank balance ,finally fed up with these idiots ,I`ve heard others say it and now I am ,this is the first season I havn`t looked forward to ,by now I should be actually sleeping badly with anticipation ,but the incompetence we have witnessed is taking the pleasure out of it a bit . UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I have one question that I would of liked an answer for .TB says that because the transfer window closes at the end of August ,we should be patient and wait until then for a full and competitive squad ,I would hope that if the TW closed at the end of October we would not have to wait until then . But the points are : 1/Why do all other clubs including those like us (no parachute payments) get their squad sorted in time ?. 2/If we are a well run club ,why when we know when the TW closes do we still leave it to the last minute ,when we know it will hamper Sami and the squad integrate ?. 3/If the TW was moved to the end of July ( I wish ) before the first game of the season ,would we be able to get ourselves sorted in time ,and if so ,why have we failed in 4 straight seasons to do this ?.[/p][/quote]1. Which clubs have got their squads sorted and, if those you name make further additions before end of August, are they just extras? 2. Because that is how you get the best deal and therefore the guest number of players in. 3. I presume we'd be in the same position as we are at end of August currently so yes. Don't understand what you mean by not being ready in last 4 seasons. We won the league and finished in playoffs twice. The odd one out of those seasons probably had the biggest and earliest activity (first season at Amex, cms, Buckley, Hoskins etc etc). My question to you. If we're never ready then why did we make such fast starts in 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons? Think we we're top after first few games both seasons?[/p][/quote]1/We let go or sold 15 players in total I believe ,we have added 4 ,we were already 4 players light to start with from January ,so mathematically at least are seriously depleted ,and heavily relying on the DS lads .TB said last night he "hopes" to have at least a couple more by end of August ,meanwhile Sheff Wed ,remember them ,well they have I believe it`s 10 new players without the same out goings ,H,field had at last count added 11 new players similarly without the same departures .Now you tell me compared with similar clubs are we sorted for the new season ,or are they ?. Any additions for a club that is as active as most have been ,at the end of the TW ,I would suggest are the "final touches" ,not like us buying our Christmas presents at a petrol station on the 24th of December !. 2/Absolute crap ,you do not get the best by watching every other team have first choice ,and with 10 teams on parapay we need to be in like flint ,yes there are always likely to be good players left at the end of the TW ,and history has told us that burke will choose someone like Dobbie ,Hammond (who did a turn ) Obika or Lita ,or unless you believe the best players are always the last to be sold ,and always at bargain prices ,please !. 3/What I mean by not being ready is ,what we will see on Saturday ,we will struggle with a scratch team ,they will have a far more settled squad ,we will win (2-1) but it wont be anywhere near the same quality of play as we will see in November for instance ,"not being ready means exactly that ,if your not at least near to complete ,we are not ,the 2 I mentioned are . The last 4 seasons includes this one ,as we now know there is little likelihood of any additions before KO Saturday ,and we have been in the exact same position on all previous seasons . As for answering your question ,we made fast starts 2 out of 4 seasons that you mention ,equally we didn`t ?.[/p][/quote]Tug are you thinking that,JFC, Solly or Ince, are still development squad players? After their collective exploits of last season, I think now they are considered frist team squad players. I still think that there is a deliberate plan to have a smaller squad than other seasons, smaller in a sense that the three young lads now have an elevated status at the club so are seen as three places filled thus cutting the number of players needed to be signed, and smaller in total number.[/p][/quote]Bloody stupid computer ,I had just written an answer and now lost it ,not the first time today . Sorry Vegas ,yes I included those 3 lads in the full squad ,we lost 4 lads in Jan and since have sold or let go a total of 15 according to what I read on here ,how many are DS I`m not sure ,but we all know how seriously in the mire we are at present ,unless as I think it was OldGull suggested we join a 5 aside league .I agreed with you in the past that a smaller higher quality squad would work well ,but to achieve that these tosspots need to actually give us a viable squad ,as apposed to their budget team and large but untouchable bank balance ,finally fed up with these idiots ,I`ve heard others say it and now I am ,this is the first season I havn`t looked forward to ,by now I should be actually sleeping badly with anticipation ,but the incompetence we have witnessed is taking the pleasure out of it a bit . UTA tug509
  • Score: 2

6:34pm Wed 6 Aug 14

To baldly go says...

What we have here is the club not wanting to admit that we are going to have a season of transition, mid table safety and the team built over the next couple of seasons to make a go of it 2016/17, that would put paying customers off before a ball is kicked.
1 or 2 players is not going to change things enough imo, we need 5 or 6 to make a go of it this season, can any of us honestly see that amount of players arriving? Others are putting the finishing touches to their squads, we are yet to start!
Teams are already taking players on loan from the likes of Everton, Chelsea and I see Forest have just got Assombalonga for £8m!
£8m on one player! What chance have we got competing with that?
Saturday and Tuesday are going to be even more pivotal than usual as to how the season goes, we need two good performances to keep the fans on side, two bad games and I can already hear the boo's!
The buzz about the new stadium is now gone, we need entertainment to keep the crowds coming, poor entertainment equals poor attendances.
Will be there with my son and nephew on Saturday giving it everything as usual but the realist in me knows it's going to be a long hard season. UTA
What we have here is the club not wanting to admit that we are going to have a season of transition, mid table safety and the team built over the next couple of seasons to make a go of it 2016/17, that would put paying customers off before a ball is kicked. 1 or 2 players is not going to change things enough imo, we need 5 or 6 to make a go of it this season, can any of us honestly see that amount of players arriving? Others are putting the finishing touches to their squads, we are yet to start! Teams are already taking players on loan from the likes of Everton, Chelsea and I see Forest have just got Assombalonga for £8m! £8m on one player! What chance have we got competing with that? Saturday and Tuesday are going to be even more pivotal than usual as to how the season goes, we need two good performances to keep the fans on side, two bad games and I can already hear the boo's! The buzz about the new stadium is now gone, we need entertainment to keep the crowds coming, poor entertainment equals poor attendances. Will be there with my son and nephew on Saturday giving it everything as usual but the realist in me knows it's going to be a long hard season. UTA To baldly go
  • Score: 14

6:39pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Quiterie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
You miss out a few points,
If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales,
The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again,
Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG)
Nothing much has changed has it?
For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time?
How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time..
I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.
Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.
The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets
Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.
No, you're making the same mistake Barber made. The average "churn" across football is 5% - 10%, i.e. 5% - 10% of season ticket holders as at end of the previous season don't renew.

What Barber said was that season ticket sales are 7% down on "this time last year". That's a completely different comparison and is a real drop in season ticket sales. It means that people who haven't renewed aren't being replaced and that's a real concern.
Sorry....
You're not taking into account the new business that naturally occurs while others are dropping off the scale.
Churn is not simply the number of people who don't renew, its the specific comparison between those and new business.
If 5% of season ticket holders don't renew at the end of the year, that is not churn, it's simply that 5% of season ticket holders haven't renewed. Churn can be a positive of negative figure.
So, as PB said last night taking into account churn, we are 7% down on the SAME TIME LAST YEAR, not compared to the end of the season and not compared to the start of the last. Of course it's not a great figure but it's less than average for most football clubs.
It doesn't mean to say we will have 7% less season ticket holders in a month's time and as I said earlier today, renewals are always the latest arrivals. So with this time of year being noted more for renewals because cancellations, for whatever reasons, have all taken place, the figure should improve.
Sorry if it sounds like a lecture - it's certainly not meant to, but I do get frustrated when people twist someone's words because they want a new way to vent their own frustrations.
Paul Barber spoke clearly on this subject last night, the only thing he and his colleagues don't seem clear on is how to sign a player - and that's what's annoying most of us.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.[/p][/quote]Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.[/p][/quote]The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets[/p][/quote]Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.[/p][/quote]No, you're making the same mistake Barber made. The average "churn" across football is 5% - 10%, i.e. 5% - 10% of season ticket holders as at end of the previous season don't renew. What Barber said was that season ticket sales are 7% down on "this time last year". That's a completely different comparison and is a real drop in season ticket sales. It means that people who haven't renewed aren't being replaced and that's a real concern.[/p][/quote]Sorry.... You're not taking into account the new business that naturally occurs while others are dropping off the scale. Churn is not simply the number of people who don't renew, its the specific comparison between those and new business. If 5% of season ticket holders don't renew at the end of the year, that is not churn, it's simply that 5% of season ticket holders haven't renewed. Churn can be a positive of negative figure. So, as PB said last night taking into account churn, we are 7% down on the SAME TIME LAST YEAR, not compared to the end of the season and not compared to the start of the last. Of course it's not a great figure but it's less than average for most football clubs. It doesn't mean to say we will have 7% less season ticket holders in a month's time and as I said earlier today, renewals are always the latest arrivals. So with this time of year being noted more for renewals because cancellations, for whatever reasons, have all taken place, the figure should improve. Sorry if it sounds like a lecture - it's certainly not meant to, but I do get frustrated when people twist someone's words because they want a new way to vent their own frustrations. Paul Barber spoke clearly on this subject last night, the only thing he and his colleagues don't seem clear on is how to sign a player - and that's what's annoying most of us. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

6:51pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

To baldly go wrote:
What we have here is the club not wanting to admit that we are going to have a season of transition, mid table safety and the team built over the next couple of seasons to make a go of it 2016/17, that would put paying customers off before a ball is kicked.
1 or 2 players is not going to change things enough imo, we need 5 or 6 to make a go of it this season, can any of us honestly see that amount of players arriving? Others are putting the finishing touches to their squads, we are yet to start!
Teams are already taking players on loan from the likes of Everton, Chelsea and I see Forest have just got Assombalonga for £8m!
£8m on one player! What chance have we got competing with that?
Saturday and Tuesday are going to be even more pivotal than usual as to how the season goes, we need two good performances to keep the fans on side, two bad games and I can already hear the boo's!
The buzz about the new stadium is now gone, we need entertainment to keep the crowds coming, poor entertainment equals poor attendances.
Will be there with my son and nephew on Saturday giving it everything as usual but the realist in me knows it's going to be a long hard season. UTA
It seems to me that what people are saying is that, due to new players not arriving quick enough, our existing players have some how lost their ability, I don't get that.
We have a good keeper, have Bruno, Calde or Greer become less than they were? Hughes bring experience and so should be able to offer some cover to Chicksen. Are we now saying that Ince, Crofts, Kaz and Buckley are not good enough for the Champ Div. Up front yeah, we are a little short but we are not devoid of strikers. New players are wanted to improve the squad not to replace it. We have a lot of last years players available for selection, and we have some new. If those that got us thru last season were good enough then, why shouldn't they be this year. New recruits will come and they will make us better, but that doesn't mean that we are crap now.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: What we have here is the club not wanting to admit that we are going to have a season of transition, mid table safety and the team built over the next couple of seasons to make a go of it 2016/17, that would put paying customers off before a ball is kicked. 1 or 2 players is not going to change things enough imo, we need 5 or 6 to make a go of it this season, can any of us honestly see that amount of players arriving? Others are putting the finishing touches to their squads, we are yet to start! Teams are already taking players on loan from the likes of Everton, Chelsea and I see Forest have just got Assombalonga for £8m! £8m on one player! What chance have we got competing with that? Saturday and Tuesday are going to be even more pivotal than usual as to how the season goes, we need two good performances to keep the fans on side, two bad games and I can already hear the boo's! The buzz about the new stadium is now gone, we need entertainment to keep the crowds coming, poor entertainment equals poor attendances. Will be there with my son and nephew on Saturday giving it everything as usual but the realist in me knows it's going to be a long hard season. UTA[/p][/quote]It seems to me that what people are saying is that, due to new players not arriving quick enough, our existing players have some how lost their ability, I don't get that. We have a good keeper, have Bruno, Calde or Greer become less than they were? Hughes bring experience and so should be able to offer some cover to Chicksen. Are we now saying that Ince, Crofts, Kaz and Buckley are not good enough for the Champ Div. Up front yeah, we are a little short but we are not devoid of strikers. New players are wanted to improve the squad not to replace it. We have a lot of last years players available for selection, and we have some new. If those that got us thru last season were good enough then, why shouldn't they be this year. New recruits will come and they will make us better, but that doesn't mean that we are crap now. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

6:54pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Brighton Bill says...

We have to move on, but Ulloa did score two last night, you do not win anything by selling your best players.
We have to move on, but Ulloa did score two last night, you do not win anything by selling your best players. Brighton Bill
  • Score: 4

6:56pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

mikeygit wrote:
Conelli----I will accept your apology over the Clayton transfer hiccup!!
Sorry😢
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Conelli----I will accept your apology over the Clayton transfer hiccup!![/p][/quote]Sorry😢 Conelli98
  • Score: 2

7:02pm Wed 6 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
You miss out a few points,
If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales,
The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again,
Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG)
Nothing much has changed has it?
For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time?
How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time..
I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.
Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.
The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets
Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.
No, you're making the same mistake Barber made. The average "churn" across football is 5% - 10%, i.e. 5% - 10% of season ticket holders as at end of the previous season don't renew.

What Barber said was that season ticket sales are 7% down on "this time last year". That's a completely different comparison and is a real drop in season ticket sales. It means that people who haven't renewed aren't being replaced and that's a real concern.
Sorry....
You're not taking into account the new business that naturally occurs while others are dropping off the scale.
Churn is not simply the number of people who don't renew, its the specific comparison between those and new business.
If 5% of season ticket holders don't renew at the end of the year, that is not churn, it's simply that 5% of season ticket holders haven't renewed. Churn can be a positive of negative figure.
So, as PB said last night taking into account churn, we are 7% down on the SAME TIME LAST YEAR, not compared to the end of the season and not compared to the start of the last. Of course it's not a great figure but it's less than average for most football clubs.
It doesn't mean to say we will have 7% less season ticket holders in a month's time and as I said earlier today, renewals are always the latest arrivals. So with this time of year being noted more for renewals because cancellations, for whatever reasons, have all taken place, the figure should improve.
Sorry if it sounds like a lecture - it's certainly not meant to, but I do get frustrated when people twist someone's words because they want a new way to vent their own frustrations.
Paul Barber spoke clearly on this subject last night, the only thing he and his colleagues don't seem clear on is how to sign a player - and that's what's annoying most of us.
The part about renewals will only be a few.

Signing players think they do know,but if they have their amount(transfer-fee,
wages etc),what is wrong with that.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.[/p][/quote]Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.[/p][/quote]The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets[/p][/quote]Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.[/p][/quote]No, you're making the same mistake Barber made. The average "churn" across football is 5% - 10%, i.e. 5% - 10% of season ticket holders as at end of the previous season don't renew. What Barber said was that season ticket sales are 7% down on "this time last year". That's a completely different comparison and is a real drop in season ticket sales. It means that people who haven't renewed aren't being replaced and that's a real concern.[/p][/quote]Sorry.... You're not taking into account the new business that naturally occurs while others are dropping off the scale. Churn is not simply the number of people who don't renew, its the specific comparison between those and new business. If 5% of season ticket holders don't renew at the end of the year, that is not churn, it's simply that 5% of season ticket holders haven't renewed. Churn can be a positive of negative figure. So, as PB said last night taking into account churn, we are 7% down on the SAME TIME LAST YEAR, not compared to the end of the season and not compared to the start of the last. Of course it's not a great figure but it's less than average for most football clubs. It doesn't mean to say we will have 7% less season ticket holders in a month's time and as I said earlier today, renewals are always the latest arrivals. So with this time of year being noted more for renewals because cancellations, for whatever reasons, have all taken place, the figure should improve. Sorry if it sounds like a lecture - it's certainly not meant to, but I do get frustrated when people twist someone's words because they want a new way to vent their own frustrations. Paul Barber spoke clearly on this subject last night, the only thing he and his colleagues don't seem clear on is how to sign a player - and that's what's annoying most of us.[/p][/quote]The part about renewals will only be a few. Signing players think they do know,but if they have their amount(transfer-fee, wages etc),what is wrong with that. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 0

7:17pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Piglet1 says...

tug509 wrote:
Piglet1 wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Not interested in players like stockdale, barnsley bloke, clayton,baldock and ward.

I want some stellar names and i want them now.
Please go watch another team.
NO ,Ringtone is integral to the master plan ,whatever it turns out to be !.
Really?
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: Not interested in players like stockdale, barnsley bloke, clayton,baldock and ward. I want some stellar names and i want them now.[/p][/quote]Please go watch another team.[/p][/quote]NO ,Ringtone is integral to the master plan ,whatever it turns out to be !.[/p][/quote]Really? Piglet1
  • Score: 0

7:22pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Piglet1 says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
You miss out a few points,
If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales,
The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again,
Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG)
Nothing much has changed has it?
For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time?
How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time..
I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.
Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.
The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets
Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.
No, you're making the same mistake Barber made. The average "churn" across football is 5% - 10%, i.e. 5% - 10% of season ticket holders as at end of the previous season don't renew.

What Barber said was that season ticket sales are 7% down on "this time last year". That's a completely different comparison and is a real drop in season ticket sales. It means that people who haven't renewed aren't being replaced and that's a real concern.
Sorry....
You're not taking into account the new business that naturally occurs while others are dropping off the scale.
Churn is not simply the number of people who don't renew, its the specific comparison between those and new business.
If 5% of season ticket holders don't renew at the end of the year, that is not churn, it's simply that 5% of season ticket holders haven't renewed. Churn can be a positive of negative figure.
So, as PB said last night taking into account churn, we are 7% down on the SAME TIME LAST YEAR, not compared to the end of the season and not compared to the start of the last. Of course it's not a great figure but it's less than average for most football clubs.
It doesn't mean to say we will have 7% less season ticket holders in a month's time and as I said earlier today, renewals are always the latest arrivals. So with this time of year being noted more for renewals because cancellations, for whatever reasons, have all taken place, the figure should improve.
Sorry if it sounds like a lecture - it's certainly not meant to, but I do get frustrated when people twist someone's words because they want a new way to vent their own frustrations.
Paul Barber spoke clearly on this subject last night, the only thing he and his colleagues don't seem clear on is how to sign a player - and that's what's annoying most of us.
Well done, Someone who understands what is being said.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.[/p][/quote]Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.[/p][/quote]The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets[/p][/quote]Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.[/p][/quote]No, you're making the same mistake Barber made. The average "churn" across football is 5% - 10%, i.e. 5% - 10% of season ticket holders as at end of the previous season don't renew. What Barber said was that season ticket sales are 7% down on "this time last year". That's a completely different comparison and is a real drop in season ticket sales. It means that people who haven't renewed aren't being replaced and that's a real concern.[/p][/quote]Sorry.... You're not taking into account the new business that naturally occurs while others are dropping off the scale. Churn is not simply the number of people who don't renew, its the specific comparison between those and new business. If 5% of season ticket holders don't renew at the end of the year, that is not churn, it's simply that 5% of season ticket holders haven't renewed. Churn can be a positive of negative figure. So, as PB said last night taking into account churn, we are 7% down on the SAME TIME LAST YEAR, not compared to the end of the season and not compared to the start of the last. Of course it's not a great figure but it's less than average for most football clubs. It doesn't mean to say we will have 7% less season ticket holders in a month's time and as I said earlier today, renewals are always the latest arrivals. So with this time of year being noted more for renewals because cancellations, for whatever reasons, have all taken place, the figure should improve. Sorry if it sounds like a lecture - it's certainly not meant to, but I do get frustrated when people twist someone's words because they want a new way to vent their own frustrations. Paul Barber spoke clearly on this subject last night, the only thing he and his colleagues don't seem clear on is how to sign a player - and that's what's annoying most of us.[/p][/quote]Well done, Someone who understands what is being said. Piglet1
  • Score: -1

7:23pm Wed 6 Aug 14

jarmonesque says...

AlfieT wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
jarmonesque wrote:
So excited for Saturday, three points in the bag
You must be a Wednesday fan then!😜
Some posters just don't have a sense of humour!
Blimey!! I've been watching the Albion every season since 1977, sick of all the moaning on here. Think we'll win, and genuinely excited, That's all.
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jarmonesque[/bold] wrote: So excited for Saturday, three points in the bag[/p][/quote]You must be a Wednesday fan then!😜[/p][/quote]Some posters just don't have a sense of humour![/p][/quote]Blimey!! I've been watching the Albion every season since 1977, sick of all the moaning on here. Think we'll win, and genuinely excited, That's all. jarmonesque
  • Score: 0

7:28pm Wed 6 Aug 14

brightonup says...

jarmonesque wrote:
So excited for Saturday, three points in the bag
....I really get irritated when people are so presumptuous. I heard it so many times last season..... home game against Barnsley, for instance.
Why do people do it ?
[quote][p][bold]jarmonesque[/bold] wrote: So excited for Saturday, three points in the bag[/p][/quote]....I really get irritated when people are so presumptuous. I heard it so many times last season..... home game against Barnsley, for instance. Why do people do it ? brightonup
  • Score: 2

7:32pm Wed 6 Aug 14

heshootshescores says...

Funny how Forest always have money to spend on players – they've just shelled out 5.5 mill on yet another striker – but we don't. Or are they, like almost every other club in this division it seems, gambling on getting to the PL this season?
Funny how Forest always have money to spend on players – they've just shelled out 5.5 mill on yet another striker – but we don't. Or are they, like almost every other club in this division it seems, gambling on getting to the PL this season? heshootshescores
  • Score: 0

7:51pm Wed 6 Aug 14

London Dave says...

Hazey James wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap?
With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ...
If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened,
The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere,
I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ?
We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs !
I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B?
We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?
It's called negotiation mate. It's what happens in the adult world. Time is a huge factor and, unfortunately, the transfer window ends 3 weeks after the season starts (which is ridiculous).

The better price we get, the more and better quality players we can have. Simple facts. You need to grow up and live in the real world.

How did all these people refusing to now buy season tickets get on when we were losing out to Leyton Orient for Lorenzo Pinnamonte? I doubt they were even going to the football then.

This is a football which we support and want to do well. We ave no divine right to have any specific players for one bloke to spend hundreds of millions of his own money. Thankfully we do but we should just enjoy that and be grateful. We've never had it so good.
Peter Ward. 30,000 plus fans. Equivalent of Premier League football. Some might say that was better. We do have a lovely stadium now, however.
[quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: My season ticket starts from this Saturday , I expect a side capable of winning , I think the problem is clubs and agents know we have 12 million banked from sales, .. Why would a player come here if they think we are trying to do things on the cheap? With regards to season ticket sales, talking of churn is nonsense , people die, move divorce at pretty much the same rate every year, ... If we have lost 7% now from last season, that's after a play off, we need to really understand the club is risking burning bridges with the ten thousand fans we have picked up since Amex opened, The club pointed out that all of Barbers hard work did not match one single parachute payment of a relegated club, that makes life difficult, but I get a suspicion that the club are taking people for granted, charging £15 to park a car for a friendly is a joke in my opinion.. Food and drink going up a few percent is fine, bottom line is simple unless fans think we are being competitive and entertain us at the Amex the churn next year will be 20% that leaves us with a half empty stadium! no atmosphere, I accept Burke works hard, great, but is he producing the goods ? We surely should have targeted ward and sealed a deal or simply moved on, there are other left backs ! I would imagine the club were aware Leo may want to move at the end of the season, again where is plan B? We are going to hold out till end of August for our targets? Who is to say they won't be gone to another club by then?[/p][/quote]It's called negotiation mate. It's what happens in the adult world. Time is a huge factor and, unfortunately, the transfer window ends 3 weeks after the season starts (which is ridiculous). The better price we get, the more and better quality players we can have. Simple facts. You need to grow up and live in the real world. How did all these people refusing to now buy season tickets get on when we were losing out to Leyton Orient for Lorenzo Pinnamonte? I doubt they were even going to the football then. This is a football which we support and want to do well. We ave no divine right to have any specific players for one bloke to spend hundreds of millions of his own money. Thankfully we do but we should just enjoy that and be grateful. We've never had it so good.[/p][/quote]Peter Ward. 30,000 plus fans. Equivalent of Premier League football. Some might say that was better. We do have a lovely stadium now, however. London Dave
  • Score: 1

7:51pm Wed 6 Aug 14

beanyeye says...

Interesting juggling going on at Forest. Sell two players to Newcastle, get them back on a season long lone without paying any salary and then lash out £5.5m on Assombalonga. Fair play rules work in mysterious ways! Still Albion have got their 'main targets' so alls well in the world. Could be a tough season, but those looking to get out of the Championship are making their moves.
Interesting juggling going on at Forest. Sell two players to Newcastle, get them back on a season long lone without paying any salary and then lash out £5.5m on Assombalonga. Fair play rules work in mysterious ways! Still Albion have got their 'main targets' so alls well in the world. Could be a tough season, but those looking to get out of the Championship are making their moves. beanyeye
  • Score: 3

7:54pm Wed 6 Aug 14

gordongull says...

Tony Bloom was relaxed and laid back when reassuring supporters they will be happy with the squad by the end of the transfer window.
This is not in the least bit reassuring!
10% of the season will be gone when the Window closes. 10% !!!!
We know there are no easy games in this League, but our opponents for the first five games all finished in the bottom half last season. We need to hit the ground running, and take 12 or 13 points from those fixtures, but we are likely to be 2nd best in terms of both preparation and personnel. When you add a new Manager and new style of play to the equation, we will be fortunate to pick up a win and two draws for a maximum of 5 points.
The addition of players with the experience and quality of those linked to the Club at the weekend was the minimum requirement BEFORE the season starts if we are to make any impression on the League table.
Pre-season has shown that we are nowhere near ready to take part in what is one of the most competitive Leagues in world football. Without an injection of quality into the squad, and soon, we are likely to be on the wrong end of some dramatic scorelines.
This first 10% of the campaign would not be treated with such indifference if the hierarchy which was focused on adding to the success of the previous two seasons.
Sami Hyypia already has his work cut out to produce a winning side in his first managerial position in English football. To expect him to set out on that assignment with such a weakened squad is nothing short of negligent.
Tony Bloom was relaxed and laid back when reassuring supporters they will be happy with the squad by the end of the transfer window. This is not in the least bit reassuring! 10% of the season will be gone when the Window closes. 10% !!!! We know there are no easy games in this League, but our opponents for the first five games all finished in the bottom half last season. We need to hit the ground running, and take 12 or 13 points from those fixtures, but we are likely to be 2nd best in terms of both preparation and personnel. When you add a new Manager and new style of play to the equation, we will be fortunate to pick up a win and two draws for a maximum of 5 points. The addition of players with the experience and quality of those linked to the Club at the weekend was the minimum requirement BEFORE the season starts if we are to make any impression on the League table. Pre-season has shown that we are nowhere near ready to take part in what is one of the most competitive Leagues in world football. Without an injection of quality into the squad, and soon, we are likely to be on the wrong end of some dramatic scorelines. This first 10% of the campaign would not be treated with such indifference if the hierarchy which was focused on adding to the success of the previous two seasons. Sami Hyypia already has his work cut out to produce a winning side in his first managerial position in English football. To expect him to set out on that assignment with such a weakened squad is nothing short of negligent. gordongull
  • Score: 4

7:54pm Wed 6 Aug 14

London Dave says...

Dolph Ins wrote:
twonk wrote:
I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.
If you were one of my kids you would be on the naughty step for a week and unable to go anyway.
Look, in fairness. this guy's getting a lot of stick, it's up to him if he wants to pay his hard earned money or not. Some people will turn up every week even if it is to watch mid table pitter patter sideways backwards any where but forwards football, because they say that is what a true fan is. Others want to entertained (preferably not by the opposition). That's their right as paying customers.
[quote][p][bold]Dolph Ins[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.[/p][/quote]If you were one of my kids you would be on the naughty step for a week and unable to go anyway.[/p][/quote]Look, in fairness. this guy's getting a lot of stick, it's up to him if he wants to pay his hard earned money or not. Some people will turn up every week even if it is to watch mid table pitter patter sideways backwards any where but forwards football, because they say that is what a true fan is. Others want to entertained (preferably not by the opposition). That's their right as paying customers. London Dave
  • Score: 3

7:57pm Wed 6 Aug 14

To baldly go says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
What we have here is the club not wanting to admit that we are going to have a season of transition, mid table safety and the team built over the next couple of seasons to make a go of it 2016/17, that would put paying customers off before a ball is kicked.
1 or 2 players is not going to change things enough imo, we need 5 or 6 to make a go of it this season, can any of us honestly see that amount of players arriving? Others are putting the finishing touches to their squads, we are yet to start!
Teams are already taking players on loan from the likes of Everton, Chelsea and I see Forest have just got Assombalonga for £8m!
£8m on one player! What chance have we got competing with that?
Saturday and Tuesday are going to be even more pivotal than usual as to how the season goes, we need two good performances to keep the fans on side, two bad games and I can already hear the boo's!
The buzz about the new stadium is now gone, we need entertainment to keep the crowds coming, poor entertainment equals poor attendances.
Will be there with my son and nephew on Saturday giving it everything as usual but the realist in me knows it's going to be a long hard season. UTA
It seems to me that what people are saying is that, due to new players not arriving quick enough, our existing players have some how lost their ability, I don't get that.
We have a good keeper, have Bruno, Calde or Greer become less than they were? Hughes bring experience and so should be able to offer some cover to Chicksen. Are we now saying that Ince, Crofts, Kaz and Buckley are not good enough for the Champ Div. Up front yeah, we are a little short but we are not devoid of strikers. New players are wanted to improve the squad not to replace it. We have a lot of last years players available for selection, and we have some new. If those that got us thru last season were good enough then, why shouldn't they be this year. New recruits will come and they will make us better, but that doesn't mean that we are crap now.
Hi Vegas, the nucleus is still there yes, but it's another year older! Bruno, Caldi and Greer will be half a yard slower this season compared to last, we have a good keeper no argument there, but I feel he is going to be busy!
Chicksen, Dunk and Maksi all need game time, but not all at the same time so it will be difficult to give them a run, Hughes at 35 is another one who will be slow at the back, very experienced yes but not an Upson!
Midfield, apart from Ince and Crofts no one stands out, we need a play maker or two, Agustien if he gets himself fit and sharp could be one of them, Jfc and Stevens good cover players, March needs to grow a bit physically, LuaLua and Buckley need to stay fit, Cms needs a few games to rediscover his pace, cog looks like he will struggle imo, you don't have 11 teams on your cv for no reason!
That leaves Hyppia, from what I've seen at Posh and against the Saints his tactics leave something to be desired imo, only pre season games I know but no understanding and no cohesion in the team. A good start is vital, confidence is a great game changer, lack of confidence from a poor start will be hard to turn around imo. Fingers crossed we sign some quality but I very much doubt it, let's hope we get that winning start for a change on Saturday, Wednesday are in a bit of turmoil at the moment and we couldn't ask for a better team to kick off the season against! UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: What we have here is the club not wanting to admit that we are going to have a season of transition, mid table safety and the team built over the next couple of seasons to make a go of it 2016/17, that would put paying customers off before a ball is kicked. 1 or 2 players is not going to change things enough imo, we need 5 or 6 to make a go of it this season, can any of us honestly see that amount of players arriving? Others are putting the finishing touches to their squads, we are yet to start! Teams are already taking players on loan from the likes of Everton, Chelsea and I see Forest have just got Assombalonga for £8m! £8m on one player! What chance have we got competing with that? Saturday and Tuesday are going to be even more pivotal than usual as to how the season goes, we need two good performances to keep the fans on side, two bad games and I can already hear the boo's! The buzz about the new stadium is now gone, we need entertainment to keep the crowds coming, poor entertainment equals poor attendances. Will be there with my son and nephew on Saturday giving it everything as usual but the realist in me knows it's going to be a long hard season. UTA[/p][/quote]It seems to me that what people are saying is that, due to new players not arriving quick enough, our existing players have some how lost their ability, I don't get that. We have a good keeper, have Bruno, Calde or Greer become less than they were? Hughes bring experience and so should be able to offer some cover to Chicksen. Are we now saying that Ince, Crofts, Kaz and Buckley are not good enough for the Champ Div. Up front yeah, we are a little short but we are not devoid of strikers. New players are wanted to improve the squad not to replace it. We have a lot of last years players available for selection, and we have some new. If those that got us thru last season were good enough then, why shouldn't they be this year. New recruits will come and they will make us better, but that doesn't mean that we are crap now.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas, the nucleus is still there yes, but it's another year older! Bruno, Caldi and Greer will be half a yard slower this season compared to last, we have a good keeper no argument there, but I feel he is going to be busy! Chicksen, Dunk and Maksi all need game time, but not all at the same time so it will be difficult to give them a run, Hughes at 35 is another one who will be slow at the back, very experienced yes but not an Upson! Midfield, apart from Ince and Crofts no one stands out, we need a play maker or two, Agustien if he gets himself fit and sharp could be one of them, Jfc and Stevens good cover players, March needs to grow a bit physically, LuaLua and Buckley need to stay fit, Cms needs a few games to rediscover his pace, cog looks like he will struggle imo, you don't have 11 teams on your cv for no reason! That leaves Hyppia, from what I've seen at Posh and against the Saints his tactics leave something to be desired imo, only pre season games I know but no understanding and no cohesion in the team. A good start is vital, confidence is a great game changer, lack of confidence from a poor start will be hard to turn around imo. Fingers crossed we sign some quality but I very much doubt it, let's hope we get that winning start for a change on Saturday, Wednesday are in a bit of turmoil at the moment and we couldn't ask for a better team to kick off the season against! UTA To baldly go
  • Score: 4

8:03pm Wed 6 Aug 14

London Dave says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
What we have here is the club not wanting to admit that we are going to have a season of transition, mid table safety and the team built over the next couple of seasons to make a go of it 2016/17, that would put paying customers off before a ball is kicked.
1 or 2 players is not going to change things enough imo, we need 5 or 6 to make a go of it this season, can any of us honestly see that amount of players arriving? Others are putting the finishing touches to their squads, we are yet to start!
Teams are already taking players on loan from the likes of Everton, Chelsea and I see Forest have just got Assombalonga for £8m!
£8m on one player! What chance have we got competing with that?
Saturday and Tuesday are going to be even more pivotal than usual as to how the season goes, we need two good performances to keep the fans on side, two bad games and I can already hear the boo's!
The buzz about the new stadium is now gone, we need entertainment to keep the crowds coming, poor entertainment equals poor attendances.
Will be there with my son and nephew on Saturday giving it everything as usual but the realist in me knows it's going to be a long hard season. UTA
It seems to me that what people are saying is that, due to new players not arriving quick enough, our existing players have some how lost their ability, I don't get that.
We have a good keeper, have Bruno, Calde or Greer become less than they were? Hughes bring experience and so should be able to offer some cover to Chicksen. Are we now saying that Ince, Crofts, Kaz and Buckley are not good enough for the Champ Div. Up front yeah, we are a little short but we are not devoid of strikers. New players are wanted to improve the squad not to replace it. We have a lot of last years players available for selection, and we have some new. If those that got us thru last season were good enough then, why shouldn't they be this year. New recruits will come and they will make us better, but that doesn't mean that we are crap now.
We're good enough to stay in the Championship.

It's probably just natural though that a lot of fans want us to get into the Premier League, however.

Unfortunately for them though a footballer looking for a club to match his Premiership ambitions is possibly looking at a number of other clubs ahead of Brighton right now: Cardiff, Derby, Forest, Fulham, Norwich, Wigan, Blackburn even..

Let's face it, it was a bit of a miracle that we got into the play offs last season.

And Calderon? Good grief. Super, loyal guy, but an absolute defensive liability...
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: What we have here is the club not wanting to admit that we are going to have a season of transition, mid table safety and the team built over the next couple of seasons to make a go of it 2016/17, that would put paying customers off before a ball is kicked. 1 or 2 players is not going to change things enough imo, we need 5 or 6 to make a go of it this season, can any of us honestly see that amount of players arriving? Others are putting the finishing touches to their squads, we are yet to start! Teams are already taking players on loan from the likes of Everton, Chelsea and I see Forest have just got Assombalonga for £8m! £8m on one player! What chance have we got competing with that? Saturday and Tuesday are going to be even more pivotal than usual as to how the season goes, we need two good performances to keep the fans on side, two bad games and I can already hear the boo's! The buzz about the new stadium is now gone, we need entertainment to keep the crowds coming, poor entertainment equals poor attendances. Will be there with my son and nephew on Saturday giving it everything as usual but the realist in me knows it's going to be a long hard season. UTA[/p][/quote]It seems to me that what people are saying is that, due to new players not arriving quick enough, our existing players have some how lost their ability, I don't get that. We have a good keeper, have Bruno, Calde or Greer become less than they were? Hughes bring experience and so should be able to offer some cover to Chicksen. Are we now saying that Ince, Crofts, Kaz and Buckley are not good enough for the Champ Div. Up front yeah, we are a little short but we are not devoid of strikers. New players are wanted to improve the squad not to replace it. We have a lot of last years players available for selection, and we have some new. If those that got us thru last season were good enough then, why shouldn't they be this year. New recruits will come and they will make us better, but that doesn't mean that we are crap now.[/p][/quote]We're good enough to stay in the Championship. It's probably just natural though that a lot of fans want us to get into the Premier League, however. Unfortunately for them though a footballer looking for a club to match his Premiership ambitions is possibly looking at a number of other clubs ahead of Brighton right now: Cardiff, Derby, Forest, Fulham, Norwich, Wigan, Blackburn even.. Let's face it, it was a bit of a miracle that we got into the play offs last season. And Calderon? Good grief. Super, loyal guy, but an absolute defensive liability... London Dave
  • Score: 2

8:20pm Wed 6 Aug 14

jcrumplinfootballgenius says...

Agreeing with most posters regarding the need for more experienced players, I don't understand is the complete difference between the first team squad and the development squad's scouting policies and can only assume that this is a deliberate ploy by the board to cut short term spending on players wages for the next season.
Having, read the article this has compounded my theory that if TB (and the board) were going to put their hands further into their pockets for players they would have done it by now.
Instead whilst I am convinced we have strength in depth to comfortably sustain our championship status, the building of long term infrastructure has made a big impact upon the first team scouting process as I cannot believe that it could be so inept otherwise.
Personally, I think TB&tb see BHA as a financial venture firstly and a football club secondly but completely unlike Archer realise that if you invest in the future you get bigger profits than by asset stripping.
The future of our club is in safe hands but fair weather supporters resistance will be tested because anyone buying their ticket thinking we're going to be challenging for promotion to the premiership soon must be deluded.
UTA
Agreeing with most posters regarding the need for more experienced players, I don't understand is the complete difference between the first team squad and the development squad's scouting policies and can only assume that this is a deliberate ploy by the board to cut short term spending on players wages for the next season. Having, read the article this has compounded my theory that if TB (and the board) were going to put their hands further into their pockets for players they would have done it by now. Instead whilst I am convinced we have strength in depth to comfortably sustain our championship status, the building of long term infrastructure has made a big impact upon the first team scouting process as I cannot believe that it could be so inept otherwise. Personally, I think TB&tb see BHA as a financial venture firstly and a football club secondly but completely unlike Archer realise that if you invest in the future you get bigger profits than by asset stripping. The future of our club is in safe hands but fair weather supporters resistance will be tested because anyone buying their ticket thinking we're going to be challenging for promotion to the premiership soon must be deluded. UTA jcrumplinfootballgenius
  • Score: 6

8:27pm Wed 6 Aug 14

London Dave says...

jcrumplinfootballgen
ius
wrote:
Agreeing with most posters regarding the need for more experienced players, I don't understand is the complete difference between the first team squad and the development squad's scouting policies and can only assume that this is a deliberate ploy by the board to cut short term spending on players wages for the next season.
Having, read the article this has compounded my theory that if TB (and the board) were going to put their hands further into their pockets for players they would have done it by now.
Instead whilst I am convinced we have strength in depth to comfortably sustain our championship status, the building of long term infrastructure has made a big impact upon the first team scouting process as I cannot believe that it could be so inept otherwise.
Personally, I think TB&tb see BHA as a financial venture firstly and a football club secondly but completely unlike Archer realise that if you invest in the future you get bigger profits than by asset stripping.
The future of our club is in safe hands but fair weather supporters resistance will be tested because anyone buying their ticket thinking we're going to be challenging for promotion to the premiership soon must be deluded.
UTA
Excellent post mate. Spot on in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]jcrumplinfootballgen ius[/bold] wrote: Agreeing with most posters regarding the need for more experienced players, I don't understand is the complete difference between the first team squad and the development squad's scouting policies and can only assume that this is a deliberate ploy by the board to cut short term spending on players wages for the next season. Having, read the article this has compounded my theory that if TB (and the board) were going to put their hands further into their pockets for players they would have done it by now. Instead whilst I am convinced we have strength in depth to comfortably sustain our championship status, the building of long term infrastructure has made a big impact upon the first team scouting process as I cannot believe that it could be so inept otherwise. Personally, I think TB&tb see BHA as a financial venture firstly and a football club secondly but completely unlike Archer realise that if you invest in the future you get bigger profits than by asset stripping. The future of our club is in safe hands but fair weather supporters resistance will be tested because anyone buying their ticket thinking we're going to be challenging for promotion to the premiership soon must be deluded. UTA[/p][/quote]Excellent post mate. Spot on in my opinion. London Dave
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8:28pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

TBG, we will soon know how our first match will turn out and how certain players will perform. Being the optimist that I am I think the lads will do well but that optimism is not based purely on hope, I honestly think that we will put out a team that will be able to take the game to Wednesday.

I would have loved the squad to have been made stronger but it hasn't and that's that. When we were short on players last season due to loads of injuries other players stepped up, well come saturday it looks like only Stephens will be absent. Ulloa is gone and I am sure that the likes of CMS and O'Grady will look to take full advantage of him having left. In the absense of a third striker coming in there is a great chance for CMS or O' Grady to claim the top spot in the striker pecking order.

For me Crofts returning is a massive plus, I would place him above Orlandi so losing Orlandi is not a big deal.
TBG, we will soon know how our first match will turn out and how certain players will perform. Being the optimist that I am I think the lads will do well but that optimism is not based purely on hope, I honestly think that we will put out a team that will be able to take the game to Wednesday. I would have loved the squad to have been made stronger but it hasn't and that's that. When we were short on players last season due to loads of injuries other players stepped up, well come saturday it looks like only Stephens will be absent. Ulloa is gone and I am sure that the likes of CMS and O'Grady will look to take full advantage of him having left. In the absense of a third striker coming in there is a great chance for CMS or O' Grady to claim the top spot in the striker pecking order. For me Crofts returning is a massive plus, I would place him above Orlandi so losing Orlandi is not a big deal. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

8:34pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hazey James wrote:
Opppsss!!! wrote:
Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it?
Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!!
Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish.

Behave like children and you should be treated like children.

How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again.

Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up.

I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you.

Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).
You miss out a few points,
If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales,
The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again,
Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG)
Nothing much has changed has it?
For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time?
How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time..
I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.
Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.
The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets
Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.
No, you're making the same mistake Barber made. The average "churn" across football is 5% - 10%, i.e. 5% - 10% of season ticket holders as at end of the previous season don't renew.

What Barber said was that season ticket sales are 7% down on "this time last year". That's a completely different comparison and is a real drop in season ticket sales. It means that people who haven't renewed aren't being replaced and that's a real concern.
Sorry....
You're not taking into account the new business that naturally occurs while others are dropping off the scale.
Churn is not simply the number of people who don't renew, its the specific comparison between those and new business.
If 5% of season ticket holders don't renew at the end of the year, that is not churn, it's simply that 5% of season ticket holders haven't renewed. Churn can be a positive of negative figure.
So, as PB said last night taking into account churn, we are 7% down on the SAME TIME LAST YEAR, not compared to the end of the season and not compared to the start of the last. Of course it's not a great figure but it's less than average for most football clubs.
It doesn't mean to say we will have 7% less season ticket holders in a month's time and as I said earlier today, renewals are always the latest arrivals. So with this time of year being noted more for renewals because cancellations, for whatever reasons, have all taken place, the figure should improve.
Sorry if it sounds like a lecture - it's certainly not meant to, but I do get frustrated when people twist someone's words because they want a new way to vent their own frustrations.
Paul Barber spoke clearly on this subject last night, the only thing he and his colleagues don't seem clear on is how to sign a player - and that's what's annoying most of us.
I accept your apology, but you're wrong. Barber said "We are about seven per cent down on this time last year". That s a true "like for like" comparison. Yes, there will some more renewals to come as you say, but there will also have been some more renewals to come this time last year. I don't have any frustrations at all and I will be there on Saturday cheering the team on, but I am concerned about this season ticket issue. And as someone else has mentioned, it's not just lost season ticket revenue, it's beer sales, food sales, parking sales etc......
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hazey James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Opppsss!!![/bold] wrote: Why do the suits think they can treat us like naughty children. Don't ask questions, we are the grown ups just do as we say and, stay silent until spoken to? Well sorry guys I was given wrong advise by my superiors in my younger days, and paid the price? Me finks Burke & Barber make me feel like a mushroom? KEPT IN THE DARK and feed on B*******? wake up guys!! we pay your wages, and so far you ain't done enough to deserve it? Still time to come good, but my gut says we have lost the plot, we will struggle? and I for one wont be there Saturday or any other day till we sign players and the suits show respect to the supporters, we are paying the price for inept management, and Sami must wonder what the hell he signed up too fasical!![/p][/quote]Whinging about a lack of signings by a specific date when the transfer window (you, know, the one we have to work with in negotiations) doesn't shut for another 3 weeks and whilst sitting a state of the art stadium and knowing that we now have a top level academy/training complex open is childish. Behave like children and you should be treated like children. How can people have such strong opinions without knowing 90% of the information? I reckon I know more than 99% who post on here and I am very happy and believe will be challenging at the top of the table... again. Why can't people have some trust in the executive team who have delivered consistently over the past 4 seasons? It does my head in. We fought for so long to get to the situation we are now in and now I have to read a load of kids getting upset about us not singing players in a certain timeframe. Grow up. I genuinely believe that if we hadn't built the training ground but had signed Adam Clayton and Demba Ba by the end of July then people would be delighted. Of course, players go off form or break their leg whilst the academy will eventually churn out payers for decades to come but let's not worry about that, I want, I want and I want now. Grow up the lot of you. Tony Bloom is a winner and we literally couldn't have a better owner. people need to realise this. We do not have a divine right to anything. Enjoy what we have. We've finished in the playoffs two season running. We will again this season (if not more).[/p][/quote]You miss out a few points, If the suits are doing so well, why have we lost 7% of season ticket sales, The club is lucky the renewal date is not today as I would imagine many would not have taken there's again, Let's not believe the hype, Two managers gone because of lack of investment in players, or no imput in signings (OG) Nothing much has changed has it? For TB to say targets will be here in 24 days time? How does he know they will be available ? Sound more like playing for time.. I be there Saturday , I fancy a draw if honest, but we start again in our quest for the premiership, something I feel is further away right now.[/p][/quote]Did you not here the mention of the fact that 7% was less than the figure expected across football generally? Clubs expect there to be late renewals, they also expect new business to be late turning up. It happens all over the country. The only difference this year, is you've chosen to pick up on a negative figure and use it because it suits. In seasons past, you wouldn't have given it a thought.[/p][/quote]The figure is down 7% on this time last year! I would say the trend is far worse if you consider we had a waiting list for season tickets[/p][/quote]Mark, that's exactly the point. 7% is a smaller figure than the average across football when compared to last year. It's not a phenomenon that's unique to Brighton because of our preparation.[/p][/quote]No, you're making the same mistake Barber made. The average "churn" across football is 5% - 10%, i.e. 5% - 10% of season ticket holders as at end of the previous season don't renew. What Barber said was that season ticket sales are 7% down on "this time last year". That's a completely different comparison and is a real drop in season ticket sales. It means that people who haven't renewed aren't being replaced and that's a real concern.[/p][/quote]Sorry.... You're not taking into account the new business that naturally occurs while others are dropping off the scale. Churn is not simply the number of people who don't renew, its the specific comparison between those and new business. If 5% of season ticket holders don't renew at the end of the year, that is not churn, it's simply that 5% of season ticket holders haven't renewed. Churn can be a positive of negative figure. So, as PB said last night taking into account churn, we are 7% down on the SAME TIME LAST YEAR, not compared to the end of the season and not compared to the start of the last. Of course it's not a great figure but it's less than average for most football clubs. It doesn't mean to say we will have 7% less season ticket holders in a month's time and as I said earlier today, renewals are always the latest arrivals. So with this time of year being noted more for renewals because cancellations, for whatever reasons, have all taken place, the figure should improve. Sorry if it sounds like a lecture - it's certainly not meant to, but I do get frustrated when people twist someone's words because they want a new way to vent their own frustrations. Paul Barber spoke clearly on this subject last night, the only thing he and his colleagues don't seem clear on is how to sign a player - and that's what's annoying most of us.[/p][/quote]I accept your apology, but you're wrong. Barber said "We are about seven per cent down on this time last year". That s a true "like for like" comparison. Yes, there will some more renewals to come as you say, but there will also have been some more renewals to come this time last year. I don't have any frustrations at all and I will be there on Saturday cheering the team on, but I am concerned about this season ticket issue. And as someone else has mentioned, it's not just lost season ticket revenue, it's beer sales, food sales, parking sales etc...... Quiterie
  • Score: 1

8:38pm Wed 6 Aug 14

To baldly go says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
TBG, we will soon know how our first match will turn out and how certain players will perform. Being the optimist that I am I think the lads will do well but that optimism is not based purely on hope, I honestly think that we will put out a team that will be able to take the game to Wednesday.

I would have loved the squad to have been made stronger but it hasn't and that's that. When we were short on players last season due to loads of injuries other players stepped up, well come saturday it looks like only Stephens will be absent. Ulloa is gone and I am sure that the likes of CMS and O'Grady will look to take full advantage of him having left. In the absense of a third striker coming in there is a great chance for CMS or O' Grady to claim the top spot in the striker pecking order.

For me Crofts returning is a massive plus, I would place him above Orlandi so losing Orlandi is not a big deal.
Agree we have enough to start the season well, if we get the tactics right! It's if and when we get a few injuries we WILL struggle this season.
The way we used to play was hard to breakdown but we also didn't score many, I see this season being the opposite, score more but concede more, remember Newcastle under Keegan, don't think the team is that good but you get what I mean. If we put up a fight and lose a few games 3-2 or 4-3 i will still go home happy, please not the stuff we were served up for most of last season, that was hard work to watch, not enjoyable! Role on Saturday, at least all the guessing will stop and we will have something factual to talk/moan about! Lol
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: TBG, we will soon know how our first match will turn out and how certain players will perform. Being the optimist that I am I think the lads will do well but that optimism is not based purely on hope, I honestly think that we will put out a team that will be able to take the game to Wednesday. I would have loved the squad to have been made stronger but it hasn't and that's that. When we were short on players last season due to loads of injuries other players stepped up, well come saturday it looks like only Stephens will be absent. Ulloa is gone and I am sure that the likes of CMS and O'Grady will look to take full advantage of him having left. In the absense of a third striker coming in there is a great chance for CMS or O' Grady to claim the top spot in the striker pecking order. For me Crofts returning is a massive plus, I would place him above Orlandi so losing Orlandi is not a big deal.[/p][/quote]Agree we have enough to start the season well, if we get the tactics right! It's if and when we get a few injuries we WILL struggle this season. The way we used to play was hard to breakdown but we also didn't score many, I see this season being the opposite, score more but concede more, remember Newcastle under Keegan, don't think the team is that good but you get what I mean. If we put up a fight and lose a few games 3-2 or 4-3 i will still go home happy, please not the stuff we were served up for most of last season, that was hard work to watch, not enjoyable! Role on Saturday, at least all the guessing will stop and we will have something factual to talk/moan about! Lol To baldly go
  • Score: -1

8:42pm Wed 6 Aug 14

oksouthstander says...

We are in a better position than last season with the promise of some new faces by the end of August.All the present squad WANT TO PLAY FOR BHA and are out to impress Sami. Our boys will be Hyper and more than capable of a win at home againts the owls to start the season with 3 points Saturday. In Bloom I trust .
We are in a better position than last season with the promise of some new faces by the end of August.All the present squad WANT TO PLAY FOR BHA and are out to impress Sami. Our boys will be Hyper and more than capable of a win at home againts the owls to start the season with 3 points Saturday. In Bloom I trust . oksouthstander
  • Score: -6

8:52pm Wed 6 Aug 14

ringtone says...

oksouthstander wrote:
We are in a better position than last season with the promise of some new faces by the end of August.All the present squad WANT TO PLAY FOR BHA and are out to impress Sami. Our boys will be Hyper and more than capable of a win at home againts the owls to start the season with 3 points Saturday. In Bloom I trust .
How many times did you say the same thing last season, only for the Albion to lose or draw another home game.

Time to shut up or consider not going to the matches, you decide.
[quote][p][bold]oksouthstander[/bold] wrote: We are in a better position than last season with the promise of some new faces by the end of August.All the present squad WANT TO PLAY FOR BHA and are out to impress Sami. Our boys will be Hyper and more than capable of a win at home againts the owls to start the season with 3 points Saturday. In Bloom I trust .[/p][/quote]How many times did you say the same thing last season, only for the Albion to lose or draw another home game. Time to shut up or consider not going to the matches, you decide. ringtone
  • Score: 1

8:57pm Wed 6 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

For me, one issue which is largely ignored is the club policy of including season ticket holders in the attendance figures, even if they don't attend. So we don't get an accurate picture of how many are at the games. If someone has paid for a season ticket but doesn't go to the game this may reflect, in the minority of cases, other commitments, but more commonly and more pertinently, it shows disenchantment with the teams' performances. I'd prefer to know how many people actually come through the turnstiles - I'm afraid this is yet another example of the spin, which has become too familiar at the club in recent years. Boring, I know, but if there's 22,000 at the game, that's what I want to know - not some massaged figure.
For me, one issue which is largely ignored is the club policy of including season ticket holders in the attendance figures, even if they don't attend. So we don't get an accurate picture of how many are at the games. If someone has paid for a season ticket but doesn't go to the game this may reflect, in the minority of cases, other commitments, but more commonly and more pertinently, it shows disenchantment with the teams' performances. I'd prefer to know how many people actually come through the turnstiles - I'm afraid this is yet another example of the spin, which has become too familiar at the club in recent years. Boring, I know, but if there's 22,000 at the game, that's what I want to know - not some massaged figure. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 10

9:04pm Wed 6 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
For those thinking that our competitors have got their teams together ready for the season, take a look at who is still doing business. The list of teams is taken from Sky Sports live updates.

Derby, Wolves, Boro, B.Pool, Brentford, Sheff Wed, Charlton, Huddersfield and Forest, and this lot are just from today's news reports, and all are inward deals not outward. Tomorrow I am sure other names will be added to the list, I didn't even bother looking at yesterday's reports.
Vegas one small but perhaps vital point - Brighton's name wasn't amongst your list of club's signing players.
I think the main issue that posters are raising is that we have signed less than 50% of the players we want and need.
TB and Co acknowledged last night that they are frustrated over the protracted nature of trying to acquire 'main targets' . Bloom did confirm that they hoped to get a few new signings completed before the Window closes.
A few in my book means at least 4 or 5 not just 1 or 2.
My consistent concern is that the club focuses every season on the end of the Window 1 September rather than the start of the season - 9 August this year. I find it slightly odd that we are prepared to potentially drop points at the beginning of the season when over the whole of it EVERY point counts.
Like most on here I will be at the Amex on Saturday supporting the team and hoping to see 3 points safely 'banked'.
UTA.
My comment was intended to do nothing more than show that clubs in our division are still doing business, they are nowhere near the point of being done, just as we are not.

'A few,' to me means 3 or 4, and getting 3 or 4 is not beyond the realms of possibility prior to the window closing.

There is still the question of just how many do we need, opinions are some what divided in certain quarters. There are those that would like to see Chicksen given his chance this season, many others think we need a left back. Some would say that one more striker with Fenelon as cover would be ok, that would give us three plus one. I am up for one more center back, some say that Maksi and Dunk is enough.
Creative midfield player, well Crofts is back and we have Stephens.

Three could be enough, a defender, a versatile midfielder and a foward. The squad could be one or two smaller than last season in terms of total numbers.
Vegas hi.. I realised what you point was and did take it on board. As I am sure you appreciated the point I was making that whilst other clubs are successfully completing acquisitions BHA is struggling to do so. This concerns one given that the season kicks off in less than 72 hours.
I am interested in your comments about the extent to which we need to strengthen the squad both in this post and on a second one you posted later.
Let's just run through the resource we have and in what positions we need more players. As part of this exercise I want to bear in mind the fact that SH said about 3 weeks ago he wanted to have plenty of attacking options. I think we should also factor in the type of players that we are being linked with on websites and Media rumours. Most of these seem to include FB like Ward, creative midfielder eg Clayton, Winger eg Lingard and striker for example Baldock. I have seen other names mentioned such as the young Liverpool winger Ibe (a potential loanee).
GKs full complement.
FBs both Bruno and Calde in theory fine but they are both a year older. Chicksen at LB. I saw him play in both the Peterborough and Southampton games and he looked vulnerable and not ready yet to be the No 1 choice as LB. So a LB is needed IMO.
CB. We might be OK here with GG, Hughes and Dunk but Maksimenko still has a question mark over him simply because we haven't really seen him play as a CB. However we are probably sufficiently well served in this position to start the season without signing another CB although like you Vegas I suspect it might be sensible for us to do so. Of course we could bring someone in on Loan after the Window closes if required.
Midfield. We have Ince and Toko covering the DM slot. JFC would cover the LCM position and Crofts and Stephens who are both box to box players the RCM. What we haven't really got is a creative attacking midfielder who can deliver a killing pass and is a good dead ball specialist. March might develop into such a player but the only other candidate Agustien is potentially such a player but the jury is out on him. Even by his own admission he was poor against Peterborough ( 'the worst game I have ever played'). Presumably that might be why we were possibly trying to sign Clayton. So we need a CREATIVE midfielder.
Winger. LuaLua and Buckley are great but we all know their injury problems and we can only bank on getting half a season out of each of them so in a sense they are the equivalent of one winger. With March being seen as an attacking midfielder that leaves us short of a winger hence the continued rumours regarding Lingard. So one WINGER needed.
Striker. We urgently need a proven goal scorer to replace Ulloa. I also believe we should bring in one other striker since I think that it might take CMS a couple of months to get back to his best. This extra striker could be a loanee. I don't think Fenelon is quite the finished article yet and he won't become ready unless he gets plenty of game time so I would favour him going out again on loan for a couple of months. So that is 2 STRIKERS needed.
I make that a total of at least 4 new signings, 5 with the extra striker which I favour or 6 if you add a CB as you have proposed quite regularly Vegas.
That's a lot of new quality players to get signed, sealed and delivered in 25 days and unfortunately we have to rely on the club's slightly unproven recruitment side to do so. If all these potential targets were acquired then I think Burke and Co would deserve our most heartfelt congratulations.
I look forward to getting your response Vegas and would welcome comments from others but will probably get a shed full of thumbs down - C'est la vie.
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: For those thinking that our competitors have got their teams together ready for the season, take a look at who is still doing business. The list of teams is taken from Sky Sports live updates. Derby, Wolves, Boro, B.Pool, Brentford, Sheff Wed, Charlton, Huddersfield and Forest, and this lot are just from today's news reports, and all are inward deals not outward. Tomorrow I am sure other names will be added to the list, I didn't even bother looking at yesterday's reports.[/p][/quote]Vegas one small but perhaps vital point - Brighton's name wasn't amongst your list of club's signing players. I think the main issue that posters are raising is that we have signed less than 50% of the players we want and need. TB and Co acknowledged last night that they are frustrated over the protracted nature of trying to acquire 'main targets' . Bloom did confirm that they hoped to get a few new signings completed before the Window closes. A few in my book means at least 4 or 5 not just 1 or 2. My consistent concern is that the club focuses every season on the end of the Window 1 September rather than the start of the season - 9 August this year. I find it slightly odd that we are prepared to potentially drop points at the beginning of the season when over the whole of it EVERY point counts. Like most on here I will be at the Amex on Saturday supporting the team and hoping to see 3 points safely 'banked'. UTA.[/p][/quote]My comment was intended to do nothing more than show that clubs in our division are still doing business, they are nowhere near the point of being done, just as we are not. 'A few,' to me means 3 or 4, and getting 3 or 4 is not beyond the realms of possibility prior to the window closing. There is still the question of just how many do we need, opinions are some what divided in certain quarters. There are those that would like to see Chicksen given his chance this season, many others think we need a left back. Some would say that one more striker with Fenelon as cover would be ok, that would give us three plus one. I am up for one more center back, some say that Maksi and Dunk is enough. Creative midfield player, well Crofts is back and we have Stephens. Three could be enough, a defender, a versatile midfielder and a foward. The squad could be one or two smaller than last season in terms of total numbers.[/p][/quote]Vegas hi.. I realised what you point was and did take it on board. As I am sure you appreciated the point I was making that whilst other clubs are successfully completing acquisitions BHA is struggling to do so. This concerns one given that the season kicks off in less than 72 hours. I am interested in your comments about the extent to which we need to strengthen the squad both in this post and on a second one you posted later. Let's just run through the resource we have and in what positions we need more players. As part of this exercise I want to bear in mind the fact that SH said about 3 weeks ago he wanted to have plenty of attacking options. I think we should also factor in the type of players that we are being linked with on websites and Media rumours. Most of these seem to include FB like Ward, creative midfielder eg Clayton, Winger eg Lingard and striker for example Baldock. I have seen other names mentioned such as the young Liverpool winger Ibe (a potential loanee). GKs full complement. FBs both Bruno and Calde in theory fine but they are both a year older. Chicksen at LB. I saw him play in both the Peterborough and Southampton games and he looked vulnerable and not ready yet to be the No 1 choice as LB. So a LB is needed IMO. CB. We might be OK here with GG, Hughes and Dunk but Maksimenko still has a question mark over him simply because we haven't really seen him play as a CB. However we are probably sufficiently well served in this position to start the season without signing another CB although like you Vegas I suspect it might be sensible for us to do so. Of course we could bring someone in on Loan after the Window closes if required. Midfield. We have Ince and Toko covering the DM slot. JFC would cover the LCM position and Crofts and Stephens who are both box to box players the RCM. What we haven't really got is a creative attacking midfielder who can deliver a killing pass and is a good dead ball specialist. March might develop into such a player but the only other candidate Agustien is potentially such a player but the jury is out on him. Even by his own admission he was poor against Peterborough ( 'the worst game I have ever played'). Presumably that might be why we were possibly trying to sign Clayton. So we need a CREATIVE midfielder. Winger. LuaLua and Buckley are great but we all know their injury problems and we can only bank on getting half a season out of each of them so in a sense they are the equivalent of one winger. With March being seen as an attacking midfielder that leaves us short of a winger hence the continued rumours regarding Lingard. So one WINGER needed. Striker. We urgently need a proven goal scorer to replace Ulloa. I also believe we should bring in one other striker since I think that it might take CMS a couple of months to get back to his best. This extra striker could be a loanee. I don't think Fenelon is quite the finished article yet and he won't become ready unless he gets plenty of game time so I would favour him going out again on loan for a couple of months. So that is 2 STRIKERS needed. I make that a total of at least 4 new signings, 5 with the extra striker which I favour or 6 if you add a CB as you have proposed quite regularly Vegas. That's a lot of new quality players to get signed, sealed and delivered in 25 days and unfortunately we have to rely on the club's slightly unproven recruitment side to do so. If all these potential targets were acquired then I think Burke and Co would deserve our most heartfelt congratulations. I look forward to getting your response Vegas and would welcome comments from others but will probably get a shed full of thumbs down - C'est la vie. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 0

9:08pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
TBG, we will soon know how our first match will turn out and how certain players will perform. Being the optimist that I am I think the lads will do well but that optimism is not based purely on hope, I honestly think that we will put out a team that will be able to take the game to Wednesday.

I would have loved the squad to have been made stronger but it hasn't and that's that. When we were short on players last season due to loads of injuries other players stepped up, well come saturday it looks like only Stephens will be absent. Ulloa is gone and I am sure that the likes of CMS and O'Grady will look to take full advantage of him having left. In the absense of a third striker coming in there is a great chance for CMS or O' Grady to claim the top spot in the striker pecking order.

For me Crofts returning is a massive plus, I would place him above Orlandi so losing Orlandi is not a big deal.
Agree we have enough to start the season well, if we get the tactics right! It's if and when we get a few injuries we WILL struggle this season.
The way we used to play was hard to breakdown but we also didn't score many, I see this season being the opposite, score more but concede more, remember Newcastle under Keegan, don't think the team is that good but you get what I mean. If we put up a fight and lose a few games 3-2 or 4-3 i will still go home happy, please not the stuff we were served up for most of last season, that was hard work to watch, not enjoyable! Role on Saturday, at least all the guessing will stop and we will have something factual to talk/moan about! Lol
well TBG, by the time we get a few injuries I would hope that the promised new players will have arrived.
Putting more goals away is a must, if for no other reason that it means that the games will be more entertaining, but I am not so sure that our defense will leak as many as some suspect. One thing I am a tad concerned about is the fact that we have lost Ulloa's defensive headers at set pieces, not sure how we can counter that loss at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: TBG, we will soon know how our first match will turn out and how certain players will perform. Being the optimist that I am I think the lads will do well but that optimism is not based purely on hope, I honestly think that we will put out a team that will be able to take the game to Wednesday. I would have loved the squad to have been made stronger but it hasn't and that's that. When we were short on players last season due to loads of injuries other players stepped up, well come saturday it looks like only Stephens will be absent. Ulloa is gone and I am sure that the likes of CMS and O'Grady will look to take full advantage of him having left. In the absense of a third striker coming in there is a great chance for CMS or O' Grady to claim the top spot in the striker pecking order. For me Crofts returning is a massive plus, I would place him above Orlandi so losing Orlandi is not a big deal.[/p][/quote]Agree we have enough to start the season well, if we get the tactics right! It's if and when we get a few injuries we WILL struggle this season. The way we used to play was hard to breakdown but we also didn't score many, I see this season being the opposite, score more but concede more, remember Newcastle under Keegan, don't think the team is that good but you get what I mean. If we put up a fight and lose a few games 3-2 or 4-3 i will still go home happy, please not the stuff we were served up for most of last season, that was hard work to watch, not enjoyable! Role on Saturday, at least all the guessing will stop and we will have something factual to talk/moan about! Lol[/p][/quote]well TBG, by the time we get a few injuries I would hope that the promised new players will have arrived. Putting more goals away is a must, if for no other reason that it means that the games will be more entertaining, but I am not so sure that our defense will leak as many as some suspect. One thing I am a tad concerned about is the fact that we have lost Ulloa's defensive headers at set pieces, not sure how we can counter that loss at the moment. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -4

9:19pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
For me, one issue which is largely ignored is the club policy of including season ticket holders in the attendance figures, even if they don't attend. So we don't get an accurate picture of how many are at the games. If someone has paid for a season ticket but doesn't go to the game this may reflect, in the minority of cases, other commitments, but more commonly and more pertinently, it shows disenchantment with the teams' performances. I'd prefer to know how many people actually come through the turnstiles - I'm afraid this is yet another example of the spin, which has become too familiar at the club in recent years. Boring, I know, but if there's 22,000 at the game, that's what I want to know - not some massaged figure.
It's exactly what every club does. We're no different.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: For me, one issue which is largely ignored is the club policy of including season ticket holders in the attendance figures, even if they don't attend. So we don't get an accurate picture of how many are at the games. If someone has paid for a season ticket but doesn't go to the game this may reflect, in the minority of cases, other commitments, but more commonly and more pertinently, it shows disenchantment with the teams' performances. I'd prefer to know how many people actually come through the turnstiles - I'm afraid this is yet another example of the spin, which has become too familiar at the club in recent years. Boring, I know, but if there's 22,000 at the game, that's what I want to know - not some massaged figure.[/p][/quote]It's exactly what every club does. We're no different. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -6

9:34pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Cap'n Pugwash says...

twonk wrote:
I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.
One less tw@t at Selhurst...
[quote][p][bold]twonk[/bold] wrote: I won't turn up until the new players arrive. It's what the club deserves.[/p][/quote]One less tw@t at Selhurst... Cap'n Pugwash
  • Score: -2

9:36pm Wed 6 Aug 14

To baldly go says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
To baldly go wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
TBG, we will soon know how our first match will turn out and how certain players will perform. Being the optimist that I am I think the lads will do well but that optimism is not based purely on hope, I honestly think that we will put out a team that will be able to take the game to Wednesday.

I would have loved the squad to have been made stronger but it hasn't and that's that. When we were short on players last season due to loads of injuries other players stepped up, well come saturday it looks like only Stephens will be absent. Ulloa is gone and I am sure that the likes of CMS and O'Grady will look to take full advantage of him having left. In the absense of a third striker coming in there is a great chance for CMS or O' Grady to claim the top spot in the striker pecking order.

For me Crofts returning is a massive plus, I would place him above Orlandi so losing Orlandi is not a big deal.
Agree we have enough to start the season well, if we get the tactics right! It's if and when we get a few injuries we WILL struggle this season.
The way we used to play was hard to breakdown but we also didn't score many, I see this season being the opposite, score more but concede more, remember Newcastle under Keegan, don't think the team is that good but you get what I mean. If we put up a fight and lose a few games 3-2 or 4-3 i will still go home happy, please not the stuff we were served up for most of last season, that was hard work to watch, not enjoyable! Role on Saturday, at least all the guessing will stop and we will have something factual to talk/moan about! Lol
well TBG, by the time we get a few injuries I would hope that the promised new players will have arrived.
Putting more goals away is a must, if for no other reason that it means that the games will be more entertaining, but I am not so sure that our defense will leak as many as some suspect. One thing I am a tad concerned about is the fact that we have lost Ulloa's defensive headers at set pieces, not sure how we can counter that loss at the moment.
Think we had our fair share of injuries etc last season, be nice to do a Burnley and have a settled side for most of the season, that might help!
The way we pushed up in the pre season games, I think the defence will struggle tbh, we didn't sit deep like under Poyet and Garcia, allowing the ball to be passed around, remember how Watford tore us apart a couple of christmas's ago, pace killed us that game, playing higher up the pitch will expose us every game if we're not careful. Agree on the Ulloa front, he did play a big part defending set pieces, hard one to call, could be our Achilles heal. In 72hrs time we will all know and have an idea of how the season could look, time to get excited at last!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]To baldly go[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: TBG, we will soon know how our first match will turn out and how certain players will perform. Being the optimist that I am I think the lads will do well but that optimism is not based purely on hope, I honestly think that we will put out a team that will be able to take the game to Wednesday. I would have loved the squad to have been made stronger but it hasn't and that's that. When we were short on players last season due to loads of injuries other players stepped up, well come saturday it looks like only Stephens will be absent. Ulloa is gone and I am sure that the likes of CMS and O'Grady will look to take full advantage of him having left. In the absense of a third striker coming in there is a great chance for CMS or O' Grady to claim the top spot in the striker pecking order. For me Crofts returning is a massive plus, I would place him above Orlandi so losing Orlandi is not a big deal.[/p][/quote]Agree we have enough to start the season well, if we get the tactics right! It's if and when we get a few injuries we WILL struggle this season. The way we used to play was hard to breakdown but we also didn't score many, I see this season being the opposite, score more but concede more, remember Newcastle under Keegan, don't think the team is that good but you get what I mean. If we put up a fight and lose a few games 3-2 or 4-3 i will still go home happy, please not the stuff we were served up for most of last season, that was hard work to watch, not enjoyable! Role on Saturday, at least all the guessing will stop and we will have something factual to talk/moan about! Lol[/p][/quote]well TBG, by the time we get a few injuries I would hope that the promised new players will have arrived. Putting more goals away is a must, if for no other reason that it means that the games will be more entertaining, but I am not so sure that our defense will leak as many as some suspect. One thing I am a tad concerned about is the fact that we have lost Ulloa's defensive headers at set pieces, not sure how we can counter that loss at the moment.[/p][/quote]Think we had our fair share of injuries etc last season, be nice to do a Burnley and have a settled side for most of the season, that might help! The way we pushed up in the pre season games, I think the defence will struggle tbh, we didn't sit deep like under Poyet and Garcia, allowing the ball to be passed around, remember how Watford tore us apart a couple of christmas's ago, pace killed us that game, playing higher up the pitch will expose us every game if we're not careful. Agree on the Ulloa front, he did play a big part defending set pieces, hard one to call, could be our Achilles heal. In 72hrs time we will all know and have an idea of how the season could look, time to get excited at last! To baldly go
  • Score: 2

9:43pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
For those thinking that our competitors have got their teams together ready for the season, take a look at who is still doing business. The list of teams is taken from Sky Sports live updates.

Derby, Wolves, Boro, B.Pool, Brentford, Sheff Wed, Charlton, Huddersfield and Forest, and this lot are just from today's news reports, and all are inward deals not outward. Tomorrow I am sure other names will be added to the list, I didn't even bother looking at yesterday's reports.
Vegas one small but perhaps vital point - Brighton's name wasn't amongst your list of club's signing players.
I think the main issue that posters are raising is that we have signed less than 50% of the players we want and need.
TB and Co acknowledged last night that they are frustrated over the protracted nature of trying to acquire 'main targets' . Bloom did confirm that they hoped to get a few new signings completed before the Window closes.
A few in my book means at least 4 or 5 not just 1 or 2.
My consistent concern is that the club focuses every season on the end of the Window 1 September rather than the start of the season - 9 August this year. I find it slightly odd that we are prepared to potentially drop points at the beginning of the season when over the whole of it EVERY point counts.
Like most on here I will be at the Amex on Saturday supporting the team and hoping to see 3 points safely 'banked'.
UTA.
My comment was intended to do nothing more than show that clubs in our division are still doing business, they are nowhere near the point of being done, just as we are not.

'A few,' to me means 3 or 4, and getting 3 or 4 is not beyond the realms of possibility prior to the window closing.

There is still the question of just how many do we need, opinions are some what divided in certain quarters. There are those that would like to see Chicksen given his chance this season, many others think we need a left back. Some would say that one more striker with Fenelon as cover would be ok, that would give us three plus one. I am up for one more center back, some say that Maksi and Dunk is enough.
Creative midfield player, well Crofts is back and we have Stephens.

Three could be enough, a defender, a versatile midfielder and a foward. The squad could be one or two smaller than last season in terms of total numbers.
Vegas hi.. I realised what you point was and did take it on board. As I am sure you appreciated the point I was making that whilst other clubs are successfully completing acquisitions BHA is struggling to do so. This concerns one given that the season kicks off in less than 72 hours.
I am interested in your comments about the extent to which we need to strengthen the squad both in this post and on a second one you posted later.
Let's just run through the resource we have and in what positions we need more players. As part of this exercise I want to bear in mind the fact that SH said about 3 weeks ago he wanted to have plenty of attacking options. I think we should also factor in the type of players that we are being linked with on websites and Media rumours. Most of these seem to include FB like Ward, creative midfielder eg Clayton, Winger eg Lingard and striker for example Baldock. I have seen other names mentioned such as the young Liverpool winger Ibe (a potential loanee).
GKs full complement.
FBs both Bruno and Calde in theory fine but they are both a year older. Chicksen at LB. I saw him play in both the Peterborough and Southampton games and he looked vulnerable and not ready yet to be the No 1 choice as LB. So a LB is needed IMO.
CB. We might be OK here with GG, Hughes and Dunk but Maksimenko still has a question mark over him simply because we haven't really seen him play as a CB. However we are probably sufficiently well served in this position to start the season without signing another CB although like you Vegas I suspect it might be sensible for us to do so. Of course we could bring someone in on Loan after the Window closes if required.
Midfield. We have Ince and Toko covering the DM slot. JFC would cover the LCM position and Crofts and Stephens who are both box to box players the RCM. What we haven't really got is a creative attacking midfielder who can deliver a killing pass and is a good dead ball specialist. March might develop into such a player but the only other candidate Agustien is potentially such a player but the jury is out on him. Even by his own admission he was poor against Peterborough ( 'the worst game I have ever played'). Presumably that might be why we were possibly trying to sign Clayton. So we need a CREATIVE midfielder.
Winger. LuaLua and Buckley are great but we all know their injury problems and we can only bank on getting half a season out of each of them so in a sense they are the equivalent of one winger. With March being seen as an attacking midfielder that leaves us short of a winger hence the continued rumours regarding Lingard. So one WINGER needed.
Striker. We urgently need a proven goal scorer to replace Ulloa. I also believe we should bring in one other striker since I think that it might take CMS a couple of months to get back to his best. This extra striker could be a loanee. I don't think Fenelon is quite the finished article yet and he won't become ready unless he gets plenty of game time so I would favour him going out again on loan for a couple of months. So that is 2 STRIKERS needed.
I make that a total of at least 4 new signings, 5 with the extra striker which I favour or 6 if you add a CB as you have proposed quite regularly Vegas.
That's a lot of new quality players to get signed, sealed and delivered in 25 days and unfortunately we have to rely on the club's slightly unproven recruitment side to do so. If all these potential targets were acquired then I think Burke and Co would deserve our most heartfelt congratulations.
I look forward to getting your response Vegas and would welcome comments from others but will probably get a shed full of thumbs down - C'est la vie.
UTA.
Urgently needed players from your comments, which I have to say have been clealry well considered before being submitted.
Starting up front, we urgently need a third striker, agreed.
Going to the back of the park, a left back, I have to go with what you, and others, have seen as I obviously don't have that advantage, so new left back, agreed.
Creative midfielder, yes wanted but not so sure that this position can be called, 'urgent.'
Wide player urgently needed, well yes if Buckley and Kaz can't sustain the right level of fitness, I will agree on this one but as much as Solly might now be seen as an attacking midfield player, he will remain an option for out wide.

I can agree on three players being needed urgently, and by urgently I mean before both windows close. I can't agree when you say that we only have 25 days left to get those we need, the loan window closes later than that, and players will come on loan in addition to those we buy.

Within the squad as it currently stands we do have a certain amount of flexibility, not as much as we might like, but it's there. I get your point about the players we have been linked with, they do tend to suggest where Sami thinks we are a tad short, but if we were able to get all those that have been mentioned then we just might see pigs flying over the Amex.

Ibe had a great game last week, for the first 45 he was the best player on the park, I guess he could go out on loan and he would be a fantastic capture for us. Lingard didn't get much playing time during their tour and to be honest, apart from his great goal, he did very little, he is one we could certainly get. A striker such as Baldock, yeah I can see that, but I would hope that we are also looking at other options, and again could very well be a loanee. Baldock would be a purchase, and I think other clubs will enter the bidding for him once they see that his club might do a deal with us, the price and his demands could get high.

If we get slapped in say, our first 4 matches, then 'urgent,' becomes TOMORROW, if we come away with say, seven points from those same matches, then urgent might be when the window closes, take more than seven points, and urgent is moved all the way to the end of the loan window.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: For those thinking that our competitors have got their teams together ready for the season, take a look at who is still doing business. The list of teams is taken from Sky Sports live updates. Derby, Wolves, Boro, B.Pool, Brentford, Sheff Wed, Charlton, Huddersfield and Forest, and this lot are just from today's news reports, and all are inward deals not outward. Tomorrow I am sure other names will be added to the list, I didn't even bother looking at yesterday's reports.[/p][/quote]Vegas one small but perhaps vital point - Brighton's name wasn't amongst your list of club's signing players. I think the main issue that posters are raising is that we have signed less than 50% of the players we want and need. TB and Co acknowledged last night that they are frustrated over the protracted nature of trying to acquire 'main targets' . Bloom did confirm that they hoped to get a few new signings completed before the Window closes. A few in my book means at least 4 or 5 not just 1 or 2. My consistent concern is that the club focuses every season on the end of the Window 1 September rather than the start of the season - 9 August this year. I find it slightly odd that we are prepared to potentially drop points at the beginning of the season when over the whole of it EVERY point counts. Like most on here I will be at the Amex on Saturday supporting the team and hoping to see 3 points safely 'banked'. UTA.[/p][/quote]My comment was intended to do nothing more than show that clubs in our division are still doing business, they are nowhere near the point of being done, just as we are not. 'A few,' to me means 3 or 4, and getting 3 or 4 is not beyond the realms of possibility prior to the window closing. There is still the question of just how many do we need, opinions are some what divided in certain quarters. There are those that would like to see Chicksen given his chance this season, many others think we need a left back. Some would say that one more striker with Fenelon as cover would be ok, that would give us three plus one. I am up for one more center back, some say that Maksi and Dunk is enough. Creative midfield player, well Crofts is back and we have Stephens. Three could be enough, a defender, a versatile midfielder and a foward. The squad could be one or two smaller than last season in terms of total numbers.[/p][/quote]Vegas hi.. I realised what you point was and did take it on board. As I am sure you appreciated the point I was making that whilst other clubs are successfully completing acquisitions BHA is struggling to do so. This concerns one given that the season kicks off in less than 72 hours. I am interested in your comments about the extent to which we need to strengthen the squad both in this post and on a second one you posted later. Let's just run through the resource we have and in what positions we need more players. As part of this exercise I want to bear in mind the fact that SH said about 3 weeks ago he wanted to have plenty of attacking options. I think we should also factor in the type of players that we are being linked with on websites and Media rumours. Most of these seem to include FB like Ward, creative midfielder eg Clayton, Winger eg Lingard and striker for example Baldock. I have seen other names mentioned such as the young Liverpool winger Ibe (a potential loanee). GKs full complement. FBs both Bruno and Calde in theory fine but they are both a year older. Chicksen at LB. I saw him play in both the Peterborough and Southampton games and he looked vulnerable and not ready yet to be the No 1 choice as LB. So a LB is needed IMO. CB. We might be OK here with GG, Hughes and Dunk but Maksimenko still has a question mark over him simply because we haven't really seen him play as a CB. However we are probably sufficiently well served in this position to start the season without signing another CB although like you Vegas I suspect it might be sensible for us to do so. Of course we could bring someone in on Loan after the Window closes if required. Midfield. We have Ince and Toko covering the DM slot. JFC would cover the LCM position and Crofts and Stephens who are both box to box players the RCM. What we haven't really got is a creative attacking midfielder who can deliver a killing pass and is a good dead ball specialist. March might develop into such a player but the only other candidate Agustien is potentially such a player but the jury is out on him. Even by his own admission he was poor against Peterborough ( 'the worst game I have ever played'). Presumably that might be why we were possibly trying to sign Clayton. So we need a CREATIVE midfielder. Winger. LuaLua and Buckley are great but we all know their injury problems and we can only bank on getting half a season out of each of them so in a sense they are the equivalent of one winger. With March being seen as an attacking midfielder that leaves us short of a winger hence the continued rumours regarding Lingard. So one WINGER needed. Striker. We urgently need a proven goal scorer to replace Ulloa. I also believe we should bring in one other striker since I think that it might take CMS a couple of months to get back to his best. This extra striker could be a loanee. I don't think Fenelon is quite the finished article yet and he won't become ready unless he gets plenty of game time so I would favour him going out again on loan for a couple of months. So that is 2 STRIKERS needed. I make that a total of at least 4 new signings, 5 with the extra striker which I favour or 6 if you add a CB as you have proposed quite regularly Vegas. That's a lot of new quality players to get signed, sealed and delivered in 25 days and unfortunately we have to rely on the club's slightly unproven recruitment side to do so. If all these potential targets were acquired then I think Burke and Co would deserve our most heartfelt congratulations. I look forward to getting your response Vegas and would welcome comments from others but will probably get a shed full of thumbs down - C'est la vie. UTA.[/p][/quote]Urgently needed players from your comments, which I have to say have been clealry well considered before being submitted. Starting up front, we urgently need a third striker, agreed. Going to the back of the park, a left back, I have to go with what you, and others, have seen as I obviously don't have that advantage, so new left back, agreed. Creative midfielder, yes wanted but not so sure that this position can be called, 'urgent.' Wide player urgently needed, well yes if Buckley and Kaz can't sustain the right level of fitness, I will agree on this one but as much as Solly might now be seen as an attacking midfield player, he will remain an option for out wide. I can agree on three players being needed urgently, and by urgently I mean before both windows close. I can't agree when you say that we only have 25 days left to get those we need, the loan window closes later than that, and players will come on loan in addition to those we buy. Within the squad as it currently stands we do have a certain amount of flexibility, not as much as we might like, but it's there. I get your point about the players we have been linked with, they do tend to suggest where Sami thinks we are a tad short, but if we were able to get all those that have been mentioned then we just might see pigs flying over the Amex. Ibe had a great game last week, for the first 45 he was the best player on the park, I guess he could go out on loan and he would be a fantastic capture for us. Lingard didn't get much playing time during their tour and to be honest, apart from his great goal, he did very little, he is one we could certainly get. A striker such as Baldock, yeah I can see that, but I would hope that we are also looking at other options, and again could very well be a loanee. Baldock would be a purchase, and I think other clubs will enter the bidding for him once they see that his club might do a deal with us, the price and his demands could get high. If we get slapped in say, our first 4 matches, then 'urgent,' becomes TOMORROW, if we come away with say, seven points from those same matches, then urgent might be when the window closes, take more than seven points, and urgent is moved all the way to the end of the loan window. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

9:49pm Wed 6 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
For me, one issue which is largely ignored is the club policy of including season ticket holders in the attendance figures, even if they don't attend. So we don't get an accurate picture of how many are at the games. If someone has paid for a season ticket but doesn't go to the game this may reflect, in the minority of cases, other commitments, but more commonly and more pertinently, it shows disenchantment with the teams' performances. I'd prefer to know how many people actually come through the turnstiles - I'm afraid this is yet another example of the spin, which has become too familiar at the club in recent years. Boring, I know, but if there's 22,000 at the game, that's what I want to know - not some massaged figure.
It's exactly what every club does. We're no different.
That may be so, but I don't like sitting in a stadium with 22,000 people inside and being told there's 27,000. It's a lie.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: For me, one issue which is largely ignored is the club policy of including season ticket holders in the attendance figures, even if they don't attend. So we don't get an accurate picture of how many are at the games. If someone has paid for a season ticket but doesn't go to the game this may reflect, in the minority of cases, other commitments, but more commonly and more pertinently, it shows disenchantment with the teams' performances. I'd prefer to know how many people actually come through the turnstiles - I'm afraid this is yet another example of the spin, which has become too familiar at the club in recent years. Boring, I know, but if there's 22,000 at the game, that's what I want to know - not some massaged figure.[/p][/quote]It's exactly what every club does. We're no different.[/p][/quote]That may be so, but I don't like sitting in a stadium with 22,000 people inside and being told there's 27,000. It's a lie. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 4

9:57pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
For me, one issue which is largely ignored is the club policy of including season ticket holders in the attendance figures, even if they don't attend. So we don't get an accurate picture of how many are at the games. If someone has paid for a season ticket but doesn't go to the game this may reflect, in the minority of cases, other commitments, but more commonly and more pertinently, it shows disenchantment with the teams' performances. I'd prefer to know how many people actually come through the turnstiles - I'm afraid this is yet another example of the spin, which has become too familiar at the club in recent years. Boring, I know, but if there's 22,000 at the game, that's what I want to know - not some massaged figure.
It's exactly what every club does. We're no different.
That may be so, but I don't like sitting in a stadium with 22,000 people inside and being told there's 27,000. It's a lie.
I understand your point, mine is simply that BHA are doing nothing wrong. Your preference is perfectly valid, but so too is the way attendances are calculated. It really is what they all do so it's not a stick to beat Barber and Bloom with.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: For me, one issue which is largely ignored is the club policy of including season ticket holders in the attendance figures, even if they don't attend. So we don't get an accurate picture of how many are at the games. If someone has paid for a season ticket but doesn't go to the game this may reflect, in the minority of cases, other commitments, but more commonly and more pertinently, it shows disenchantment with the teams' performances. I'd prefer to know how many people actually come through the turnstiles - I'm afraid this is yet another example of the spin, which has become too familiar at the club in recent years. Boring, I know, but if there's 22,000 at the game, that's what I want to know - not some massaged figure.[/p][/quote]It's exactly what every club does. We're no different.[/p][/quote]That may be so, but I don't like sitting in a stadium with 22,000 people inside and being told there's 27,000. It's a lie.[/p][/quote]I understand your point, mine is simply that BHA are doing nothing wrong. Your preference is perfectly valid, but so too is the way attendances are calculated. It really is what they all do so it's not a stick to beat Barber and Bloom with. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -5

10:00pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

TBG, yep I agree, with the defenders pushing up, as they did in pre-season matches, our lack of pace at the back will be an issue, and for that reason until new recruits arrive, we might well go with a 4-5-1 line up. Having 5 in midfield would allow for one to drop back.

I have suggested several times that we might go for an extra CB, but it might be that we look for pace at right back instead. Get Ward, he has some pace, use Dunk, not fast but quicker than Greer and has good passing abilities combined with a new and quick right back. Bruno or Calde becomes cover for right back and the other becomes utility defensive cover. Could happen.
TBG, yep I agree, with the defenders pushing up, as they did in pre-season matches, our lack of pace at the back will be an issue, and for that reason until new recruits arrive, we might well go with a 4-5-1 line up. Having 5 in midfield would allow for one to drop back. I have suggested several times that we might go for an extra CB, but it might be that we look for pace at right back instead. Get Ward, he has some pace, use Dunk, not fast but quicker than Greer and has good passing abilities combined with a new and quick right back. Bruno or Calde becomes cover for right back and the other becomes utility defensive cover. Could happen. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -7

10:05pm Wed 6 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
For me, one issue which is largely ignored is the club policy of including season ticket holders in the attendance figures, even if they don't attend. So we don't get an accurate picture of how many are at the games. If someone has paid for a season ticket but doesn't go to the game this may reflect, in the minority of cases, other commitments, but more commonly and more pertinently, it shows disenchantment with the teams' performances. I'd prefer to know how many people actually come through the turnstiles - I'm afraid this is yet another example of the spin, which has become too familiar at the club in recent years. Boring, I know, but if there's 22,000 at the game, that's what I want to know - not some massaged figure.
It's exactly what every club does. We're no different.
That may be so, but I don't like sitting in a stadium with 22,000 people inside and being told there's 27,000. It's a lie.
the only figure that matters is how many seats were sold whether the buyer turns up or not, it's money in the bank that counts. Not sure a day will ever arrive when 27,000 tickets have been sold, but 5,000 all decided to to turn up all on the same day. There might be an imbalance between those actualy in the stadium and he number of seats sold, but the difference would never be that big.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: For me, one issue which is largely ignored is the club policy of including season ticket holders in the attendance figures, even if they don't attend. So we don't get an accurate picture of how many are at the games. If someone has paid for a season ticket but doesn't go to the game this may reflect, in the minority of cases, other commitments, but more commonly and more pertinently, it shows disenchantment with the teams' performances. I'd prefer to know how many people actually come through the turnstiles - I'm afraid this is yet another example of the spin, which has become too familiar at the club in recent years. Boring, I know, but if there's 22,000 at the game, that's what I want to know - not some massaged figure.[/p][/quote]It's exactly what every club does. We're no different.[/p][/quote]That may be so, but I don't like sitting in a stadium with 22,000 people inside and being told there's 27,000. It's a lie.[/p][/quote]the only figure that matters is how many seats were sold whether the buyer turns up or not, it's money in the bank that counts. Not sure a day will ever arrive when 27,000 tickets have been sold, but 5,000 all decided to to turn up all on the same day. There might be an imbalance between those actualy in the stadium and he number of seats sold, but the difference would never be that big. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -4

10:13pm Wed 6 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
For me, one issue which is largely ignored is the club policy of including season ticket holders in the attendance figures, even if they don't attend. So we don't get an accurate picture of how many are at the games. If someone has paid for a season ticket but doesn't go to the game this may reflect, in the minority of cases, other commitments, but more commonly and more pertinently, it shows disenchantment with the teams' performances. I'd prefer to know how many people actually come through the turnstiles - I'm afraid this is yet another example of the spin, which has become too familiar at the club in recent years. Boring, I know, but if there's 22,000 at the game, that's what I want to know - not some massaged figure.
It's exactly what every club does. We're no different.
That may be so, but I don't like sitting in a stadium with 22,000 people inside and being told there's 27,000. It's a lie.
And how can you be so sure it's 22,000, and not say 24,000? Or 25,000? People - me included - are notoriously bad at estimating crowd sizes.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: For me, one issue which is largely ignored is the club policy of including season ticket holders in the attendance figures, even if they don't attend. So we don't get an accurate picture of how many are at the games. If someone has paid for a season ticket but doesn't go to the game this may reflect, in the minority of cases, other commitments, but more commonly and more pertinently, it shows disenchantment with the teams' performances. I'd prefer to know how many people actually come through the turnstiles - I'm afraid this is yet another example of the spin, which has become too familiar at the club in recent years. Boring, I know, but if there's 22,000 at the game, that's what I want to know - not some massaged figure.[/p][/quote]It's exactly what every club does. We're no different.[/p][/quote]That may be so, but I don't like sitting in a stadium with 22,000 people inside and being told there's 27,000. It's a lie.[/p][/quote]And how can you be so sure it's 22,000, and not say 24,000? Or 25,000? People - me included - are notoriously bad at estimating crowd sizes. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: -4

10:26pm Wed 6 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
For me, one issue which is largely ignored is the club policy of including season ticket holders in the attendance figures, even if they don't attend. So we don't get an accurate picture of how many are at the games. If someone has paid for a season ticket but doesn't go to the game this may reflect, in the minority of cases, other commitments, but more commonly and more pertinently, it shows disenchantment with the teams' performances. I'd prefer to know how many people actually come through the turnstiles - I'm afraid this is yet another example of the spin, which has become too familiar at the club in recent years. Boring, I know, but if there's 22,000 at the game, that's what I want to know - not some massaged figure.
It's exactly what every club does. We're no different.
That may be so, but I don't like sitting in a stadium with 22,000 people inside and being told there's 27,000. It's a lie.
I believe the club is quite open in saying that their 'attendance' figures are seats sold. After all once someone has bought the ST that specific seat is reserved for them and the club cannot sell it to anyone else.
Obviously the club can't force ST holders to attend games.
If other clubs quote their 'attendance' figures on the same basis then for comparison purposes we need to do the same.
As long as the club is absolutely clear and consistent as to how the 'attendance' figures are arrived at then I have no complaint.
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: For me, one issue which is largely ignored is the club policy of including season ticket holders in the attendance figures, even if they don't attend. So we don't get an accurate picture of how many are at the games. If someone has paid for a season ticket but doesn't go to the game this may reflect, in the minority of cases, other commitments, but more commonly and more pertinently, it shows disenchantment with the teams' performances. I'd prefer to know how many people actually come through the turnstiles - I'm afraid this is yet another example of the spin, which has become too familiar at the club in recent years. Boring, I know, but if there's 22,000 at the game, that's what I want to know - not some massaged figure.[/p][/quote]It's exactly what every club does. We're no different.[/p][/quote]That may be so, but I don't like sitting in a stadium with 22,000 people inside and being told there's 27,000. It's a lie.[/p][/quote]I believe the club is quite open in saying that their 'attendance' figures are seats sold. After all once someone has bought the ST that specific seat is reserved for them and the club cannot sell it to anyone else. Obviously the club can't force ST holders to attend games. If other clubs quote their 'attendance' figures on the same basis then for comparison purposes we need to do the same. As long as the club is absolutely clear and consistent as to how the 'attendance' figures are arrived at then I have no complaint. ballantrrae
  • Score: 0

10:48pm Wed 6 Aug 14

pte says...

I listened to the forum. Admittedly there were plants in the audience to ask well rehearsed questions to give the club the opportunity to give equally well rehearsed answers to explain it's position and some of the explanations were ridiculous.

However, despite that I thought the club gave a good insight into their strategy. If they adhere to FFP it will be difficult in the short term but in the longer term those breaching FFP will face not just fines but will have transfer embargoes and won't be able to extend contracts. So not only will there be fire sales to avoid a player embargo but also if clubs are barred from extending contracts they will have to either let players go cheap or they go on a Bosman.

So they may miss out on their targets this season but the avoid a lot of pain next season and be able to pick up players on the cheap. This season we may only tread water but next season we will be in a stronger position

Some of the decisions are short term and the club are forced to make illogical decisions. But Sami said he preferred quality rather than just numbers that don't improve the squad so I take it Burke has offered him dross and he has said no thank you, either quality or don't bother.

Although the audience were pretty sycophantic and generally supportive of the panel members, when a couple of questioners slipped in a couple of slightly sarcastic or coded comments that gave air to fans concerns, that actually drew laughter from the audience so the panel knew there was a lot of unspoken unease
I listened to the forum. Admittedly there were plants in the audience to ask well rehearsed questions to give the club the opportunity to give equally well rehearsed answers to explain it's position and some of the explanations were ridiculous. However, despite that I thought the club gave a good insight into their strategy. If they adhere to FFP it will be difficult in the short term but in the longer term those breaching FFP will face not just fines but will have transfer embargoes and won't be able to extend contracts. So not only will there be fire sales to avoid a player embargo but also if clubs are barred from extending contracts they will have to either let players go cheap or they go on a Bosman. So they may miss out on their targets this season but the avoid a lot of pain next season and be able to pick up players on the cheap. This season we may only tread water but next season we will be in a stronger position Some of the decisions are short term and the club are forced to make illogical decisions. But Sami said he preferred quality rather than just numbers that don't improve the squad so I take it Burke has offered him dross and he has said no thank you, either quality or don't bother. Although the audience were pretty sycophantic and generally supportive of the panel members, when a couple of questioners slipped in a couple of slightly sarcastic or coded comments that gave air to fans concerns, that actually drew laughter from the audience so the panel knew there was a lot of unspoken unease pte
  • Score: 4

11:42pm Wed 6