Virgo expects signings - but don't fret if they don't come by Saturday

Adam Chicksen

Adam Chicksen

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Albion were last night backed to make a winning start to the campaign – even if there are no eve of season signings.

But former skipper Adam Virgo admits new faces are required for the long haul of a Championship winter.

The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over, despite an unexpected hold-up in the Huddersfield midfielder’s switch to Middlesbrough.

Fans are still waiting for progress on other targets ahead of Sheffield Wednesday’s visit to the Amex on Saturday.

But Virgo reckons they might have enough for the opener, despite a subdued performance in last week’s friendly against Southampton.

Virgo said: “I think if Sami (Hyypia) has to start with the squad he has now, it will still be fine for a game or two.

“If he lost a player to injury or suspension, it could then be a problem.

“I would be slightly worried if this was the squad for the season judging on the game against Southampton. But I don’t think it will be.

“There is still time to go before the transfer window closes.

“We have a great chance to get off to a good start. If we can get four points from two games, against Wednesday and Birmingham, that’s a good start.

“Hopefully we haven’t missed the boat.”

Boro had yet to confirm Clayton’s arrival last night with the delay related to Jacob Butterfield’s possible move from the Riverside to Huddersfield.

In turn, the Terriers’ need for a midfielder appeared to be eased by the arrival of Conor Coady from Liverpool.

Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively.

Ward is seen as a key addition at left-back but ex-defender Virgo reckons Adam Chicksen, who played against Saints, has potential in the longer term.

Virgo said: “I think Adam is a work in progress and he needs to maybe go out on loan and get a good run of games.

“It’s hard to come in for the odd good game.

“Adam has weakness defensively but he is improving going forward and has a good change of pace.”

Former Albion midfielder David Lopez has signed a two-year deal at Spanish second-tier outfit Lugo.

David was released by the Seagulls at the end of last season and attracted interest from several teams, including Blackpool, before settling on a move to Galicia.

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5:53am Thu 7 Aug 14

namgo49 says...

Draw at best on Saturday!
Draw at best on Saturday! namgo49
  • Score: -18

6:17am Thu 7 Aug 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more.

Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over.

AND

Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively.

This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug.

These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?
Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more. Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over. AND Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively. This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug. These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus? Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: 7

6:31am Thu 7 Aug 14

arc12 says...

We must just focus on Saturday now and forget about any new additions for the time being. Can't afford to take our eye of the ball for Saturday's game just because we've struggled to get players in. Hopefully TB will be true to his word and a few will arrive by the end of the transfer window but it does now all seem a little too late. Get behind the lads on Saturday everyone and lets hope the team we put out can surprise a few of us.
We must just focus on Saturday now and forget about any new additions for the time being. Can't afford to take our eye of the ball for Saturday's game just because we've struggled to get players in. Hopefully TB will be true to his word and a few will arrive by the end of the transfer window but it does now all seem a little too late. Get behind the lads on Saturday everyone and lets hope the team we put out can surprise a few of us. arc12
  • Score: 26

6:43am Thu 7 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

On a general point, I do find it sad that, after a forum where the manager, CEO and Chairman were all present, the Argus hasn't had the chance (it seems) to do a follow up story - or stories.
No disrespect to Adam Virgo, but I'd like to hear a little more detail from one of the three who answered questions on Wednesday.
But it appears the Argus is not in the club's good books and isn't afforded such opportunity.
TB gave them a kicking - twice - and also made a point of saying that fans would be the first to hear of new signings "on the club website."
It's fairly clear, the club deem themselves to be in charge of their own message (fair enough) to the exclusion of the local paper, who are left feeding off scraps from ex-players and opposition managers. (Again no disrespect intended)
I understand the club has the right to manage it's own output and partner with whoever they wish, but surely there's a balance that would benefit all?
On a general point, I do find it sad that, after a forum where the manager, CEO and Chairman were all present, the Argus hasn't had the chance (it seems) to do a follow up story - or stories. No disrespect to Adam Virgo, but I'd like to hear a little more detail from one of the three who answered questions on Wednesday. But it appears the Argus is not in the club's good books and isn't afforded such opportunity. TB gave them a kicking - twice - and also made a point of saying that fans would be the first to hear of new signings "on the club website." It's fairly clear, the club deem themselves to be in charge of their own message (fair enough) to the exclusion of the local paper, who are left feeding off scraps from ex-players and opposition managers. (Again no disrespect intended) I understand the club has the right to manage it's own output and partner with whoever they wish, but surely there's a balance that would benefit all? Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 38

6:48am Thu 7 Aug 14

Baldseagull says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more.

Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over.

AND

Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively.

This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug.

These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?
Educated guessing all round. I had heard a rumour that the deal for Ward was as good as done last weekend, but it appears not.
As far as I know, no other club has expressed an interest in taking Ward, I guess it is common knowledge that he is on £13k per week for the next year and he will not leave for less.
A guess of my own is that it will happen but Wolves will want to give themselves every chance of not paying him off, so it will either be deadline day or be another loan.
Bristols valuation of Baldock is too high for us, or anyone else I think and Clayton looks to have had a better offer, he might have been close to signing for us before recieving that offer, or he might have a preference to go to Boro and asked them to match or better our offer,
The end of the loan window is when we know what we have to work with and until then it is all a bit of guessing.
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more. Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over. AND Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively. This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug. These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?[/p][/quote]Educated guessing all round. I had heard a rumour that the deal for Ward was as good as done last weekend, but it appears not. As far as I know, no other club has expressed an interest in taking Ward, I guess it is common knowledge that he is on £13k per week for the next year and he will not leave for less. A guess of my own is that it will happen but Wolves will want to give themselves every chance of not paying him off, so it will either be deadline day or be another loan. Bristols valuation of Baldock is too high for us, or anyone else I think and Clayton looks to have had a better offer, he might have been close to signing for us before recieving that offer, or he might have a preference to go to Boro and asked them to match or better our offer, The end of the loan window is when we know what we have to work with and until then it is all a bit of guessing. Baldseagull
  • Score: 12

6:57am Thu 7 Aug 14

elljam says...

It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave. elljam
  • Score: 23

7:21am Thu 7 Aug 14

AlfieT says...

Chicksen is poor defensively, Maksimenko better? Get Ward on a season long loan, better the devil you know.
Chicksen is poor defensively, Maksimenko better? Get Ward on a season long loan, better the devil you know. AlfieT
  • Score: 11

7:32am Thu 7 Aug 14

stevebh says...

elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
I agree financial (long term) stability is important......doesn
't help tho when you see forest splash 5.5 mil on a new striker.......
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]I agree financial (long term) stability is important......doesn 't help tho when you see forest splash 5.5 mil on a new striker....... stevebh
  • Score: 8

7:33am Thu 7 Aug 14

ringtone says...

AlfieT wrote:
Chicksen is poor defensively, Maksimenko better? Get Ward on a season long loan, better the devil you know.
Chicksen, another masterstroke from burke.
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: Chicksen is poor defensively, Maksimenko better? Get Ward on a season long loan, better the devil you know.[/p][/quote]Chicksen, another masterstroke from burke. ringtone
  • Score: -12

7:41am Thu 7 Aug 14

Bostik says...

I wonder if Mark McGhee has an opinion on our summer dealings? Would love to hear from him too.
I wonder if Mark McGhee has an opinion on our summer dealings? Would love to hear from him too. Bostik
  • Score: 2

7:45am Thu 7 Aug 14

Neville says...

Notts Frst just paid 5.5m for Peterborough striker,what is going on with FFP with this club,obviously not worried and banking on promotion. Peterborough seem to have a talent for producing lower league players into gems,perhaps we should try and employ their staff for our academy.
Notts Frst just paid 5.5m for Peterborough striker,what is going on with FFP with this club,obviously not worried and banking on promotion. Peterborough seem to have a talent for producing lower league players into gems,perhaps we should try and employ their staff for our academy. Neville
  • Score: 24

7:59am Thu 7 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

Bostik wrote:
I wonder if Mark McGhee has an opinion on our summer dealings? Would love to hear from him too.
Spoke to Mark this morning..he said " What deals?"
[quote][p][bold]Bostik[/bold] wrote: I wonder if Mark McGhee has an opinion on our summer dealings? Would love to hear from him too.[/p][/quote]Spoke to Mark this morning..he said " What deals?" AlanDuffy
  • Score: 3

8:01am Thu 7 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Neville wrote:
Notts Frst just paid 5.5m for Peterborough striker,what is going on with FFP with this club,obviously not worried and banking on promotion. Peterborough seem to have a talent for producing lower league players into gems,perhaps we should try and employ their staff for our academy.
Perhaps Forest don't have to offset previous losses with money gained from sales.
Remember they got £7m for the two who went to Newcastle.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Notts Frst just paid 5.5m for Peterborough striker,what is going on with FFP with this club,obviously not worried and banking on promotion. Peterborough seem to have a talent for producing lower league players into gems,perhaps we should try and employ their staff for our academy.[/p][/quote]Perhaps Forest don't have to offset previous losses with money gained from sales. Remember they got £7m for the two who went to Newcastle. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 9

8:15am Thu 7 Aug 14

Uckfield Seagull says...

The time has come for all this talk about lack of transfer activity to stop, all of a sudden we start within 48 hours and its time to concentrate on Saturday 15:00, we have a starting 11 that can beat Wednesday and Birmingham, so its the up the Albion !!!


( We have to trust Bloom to keep to his word, surely Hyypia would not of joined if transfers were not going to happen, and I hope they are Hyypia signings, all the names mentioned are before Hyypia time so I am taking this as a positive, he is in charge which hopefully means Burke can take an upseat )
The time has come for all this talk about lack of transfer activity to stop, all of a sudden we start within 48 hours and its time to concentrate on Saturday 15:00, we have a starting 11 that can beat Wednesday and Birmingham, so its the up the Albion !!! ( We have to trust Bloom to keep to his word, surely Hyypia would not of joined if transfers were not going to happen, and I hope they are Hyypia signings, all the names mentioned are before Hyypia time so I am taking this as a positive, he is in charge which hopefully means Burke can take an upseat ) Uckfield Seagull
  • Score: 4

8:33am Thu 7 Aug 14

mikeygit says...

Agree with comments on concentrating on Saturdays game but I and many others were hopeful that game would include ALL these new signings that were indicated. I am sorry but I am beginning to lose faith in ANYTHING that is printed about POTENTIAL players for the club. I cannot believe it is ALL a smoke screen. The FAMOUS THREE who were ´nailed´on Albion players look a distant hope--although Ward is my only hope---so WHERE are all these other players almost promised going to come from?? It is very disappointing to say the least and it looks like once again we will be starting a season on the back foot instead of hitting the ground running--I hope I am wrong---but I cannot see our last seasons players turning it around in dramatic fashion. GOALS is what we want to win matches and we cannot rely totally on CMS--who has yet to prove himself 100%--NOT a negative post, just reality.
Agree with comments on concentrating on Saturdays game but I and many others were hopeful that game would include ALL these new signings that were indicated. I am sorry but I am beginning to lose faith in ANYTHING that is printed about POTENTIAL players for the club. I cannot believe it is ALL a smoke screen. The FAMOUS THREE who were ´nailed´on Albion players look a distant hope--although Ward is my only hope---so WHERE are all these other players almost promised going to come from?? It is very disappointing to say the least and it looks like once again we will be starting a season on the back foot instead of hitting the ground running--I hope I am wrong---but I cannot see our last seasons players turning it around in dramatic fashion. GOALS is what we want to win matches and we cannot rely totally on CMS--who has yet to prove himself 100%--NOT a negative post, just reality. mikeygit
  • Score: 6

8:33am Thu 7 Aug 14

mark by the sea says...

AlfieT wrote:
Chicksen is poor defensively, Maksimenko better? Get Ward on a season long loan, better the devil you know.
Ward has a year left on his contract, wolves lost 150k when he was here last season by paying him 3k a week, wolves want him out, we don't want to pay him 13k a week, I have feeling he will join with a few days to go before the window shuts, undisclosed that deal!
I have to say the football club got stuck into the argus , but what for? They are in the business of news, there is none , the club won't give any interviews ... Andy Naylor can't find anything to write about! So he rolls Virgo out for a deep meaning quote!
We have three centrebacks,
One left back.
No creative mid field players , who can keep the ball under pressure .
Centre forwards we miss one, although ogrady is better than some think.
Chickson will get roasted by a decent experienced winger,
Right backs and central defenders are slow, upson covered a lot of problems last season .
I don't know a lot about Sheffield weds , but if I was there manager I would pressurise and hound out players , knowing the fans are restless.
We need a early goal to settle the nerves.
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: Chicksen is poor defensively, Maksimenko better? Get Ward on a season long loan, better the devil you know.[/p][/quote]Ward has a year left on his contract, wolves lost 150k when he was here last season by paying him 3k a week, wolves want him out, we don't want to pay him 13k a week, I have feeling he will join with a few days to go before the window shuts, undisclosed that deal! I have to say the football club got stuck into the argus , but what for? They are in the business of news, there is none , the club won't give any interviews ... Andy Naylor can't find anything to write about! So he rolls Virgo out for a deep meaning quote! We have three centrebacks, One left back. No creative mid field players , who can keep the ball under pressure . Centre forwards we miss one, although ogrady is better than some think. Chickson will get roasted by a decent experienced winger, Right backs and central defenders are slow, upson covered a lot of problems last season . I don't know a lot about Sheffield weds , but if I was there manager I would pressurise and hound out players , knowing the fans are restless. We need a early goal to settle the nerves. mark by the sea
  • Score: 13

8:47am Thu 7 Aug 14

Quiterie says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more.

Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over.

AND

Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively.

This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug.

These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?
Totally agree. If none of these 3 players arrive (or even if just Ward arrives - which we all could have predicted), Andy Naylor's reputation will have been shot to pieces. I certainly won't trust anything he writes again.
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more. Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over. AND Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively. This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug. These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?[/p][/quote]Totally agree. If none of these 3 players arrive (or even if just Ward arrives - which we all could have predicted), Andy Naylor's reputation will have been shot to pieces. I certainly won't trust anything he writes again. Quiterie
  • Score: 4

8:53am Thu 7 Aug 14

Captain Haddock says...

mark by the sea wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
Chicksen is poor defensively, Maksimenko better? Get Ward on a season long loan, better the devil you know.
Ward has a year left on his contract, wolves lost 150k when he was here last season by paying him 3k a week, wolves want him out, we don't want to pay him 13k a week, I have feeling he will join with a few days to go before the window shuts, undisclosed that deal!
I have to say the football club got stuck into the argus , but what for? They are in the business of news, there is none , the club won't give any interviews ... Andy Naylor can't find anything to write about! So he rolls Virgo out for a deep meaning quote!
We have three centrebacks,
One left back.
No creative mid field players , who can keep the ball under pressure .
Centre forwards we miss one, although ogrady is better than some think.
Chickson will get roasted by a decent experienced winger,
Right backs and central defenders are slow, upson covered a lot of problems last season .
I don't know a lot about Sheffield weds , but if I was there manager I would pressurise and hound out players , knowing the fans are restless.
We need a early goal to settle the nerves.
Spot on, Mark. I often disagree with your posts or their tone at least, but think this sums up where we are at the moment. 3 CBs though? I think Sami is counting Maksi in his first team ranks too!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: Chicksen is poor defensively, Maksimenko better? Get Ward on a season long loan, better the devil you know.[/p][/quote]Ward has a year left on his contract, wolves lost 150k when he was here last season by paying him 3k a week, wolves want him out, we don't want to pay him 13k a week, I have feeling he will join with a few days to go before the window shuts, undisclosed that deal! I have to say the football club got stuck into the argus , but what for? They are in the business of news, there is none , the club won't give any interviews ... Andy Naylor can't find anything to write about! So he rolls Virgo out for a deep meaning quote! We have three centrebacks, One left back. No creative mid field players , who can keep the ball under pressure . Centre forwards we miss one, although ogrady is better than some think. Chickson will get roasted by a decent experienced winger, Right backs and central defenders are slow, upson covered a lot of problems last season . I don't know a lot about Sheffield weds , but if I was there manager I would pressurise and hound out players , knowing the fans are restless. We need a early goal to settle the nerves.[/p][/quote]Spot on, Mark. I often disagree with your posts or their tone at least, but think this sums up where we are at the moment. 3 CBs though? I think Sami is counting Maksi in his first team ranks too! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 8

9:01am Thu 7 Aug 14

The lev says...

its all up side for me , seeing our best player sold and not replaced (yet) , watched the team play pre season and they were awful, my expectations have been adjusted (maybe burke is a machiavellian genius)

its all upside !


UTA!!!!!!!!!!
its all up side for me , seeing our best player sold and not replaced (yet) , watched the team play pre season and they were awful, my expectations have been adjusted (maybe burke is a machiavellian genius) its all upside ! UTA!!!!!!!!!! The lev
  • Score: 4

9:16am Thu 7 Aug 14

TheWerewolf says...

elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way.... TheWerewolf
  • Score: 6

9:22am Thu 7 Aug 14

daughter-of-manag says...

Quiterie wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more.

Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over.

AND

Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively.

This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug.

These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?
Totally agree. If none of these 3 players arrive (or even if just Ward arrives - which we all could have predicted), Andy Naylor's reputation will have been shot to pieces. I certainly won't trust anything he writes again.
A journalist with a (positive) reputation, is like a lawyer with a (beating) heart.

Smokescreen it certainly was - AN was just doing his job, and if we had to rely on the official site for up-to-date information and/or spin, then things would really become desperate.

AN's and BO's news (albeit incorrect) is surely better than no news or speculation? May I suggest that we currently have a weakened squad because DB and his gang have been somewhat lacking in success ... this really isn't the Argus' fault.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more. Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over. AND Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively. This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug. These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?[/p][/quote]Totally agree. If none of these 3 players arrive (or even if just Ward arrives - which we all could have predicted), Andy Naylor's reputation will have been shot to pieces. I certainly won't trust anything he writes again.[/p][/quote]A journalist with a (positive) reputation, is like a lawyer with a (beating) heart. Smokescreen it certainly was - AN was just doing his job, and if we had to rely on the official site for up-to-date information and/or spin, then things would really become desperate. AN's and BO's news (albeit incorrect) is surely better than no news or speculation? May I suggest that we currently have a weakened squad because DB and his gang have been somewhat lacking in success ... this really isn't the Argus' fault. daughter-of-manag
  • Score: 8

9:23am Thu 7 Aug 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

There may be some, including the famous suits, that believe the PL clubs will have a clear out just before the window closes, an appetizing thought especially when you see the names being bandied around concerning ManU for example. SUrely there will be some little gems in that lot but the suits are going to have to do one hell of a selling job if they believe they can entice any of them to come here. First of all someone is going to have to look at the budgets all over again... Oh well it was a nice idea whilst it lasted. Lets hope SH can really inspire and motivate the likes of Adam C and Maksi and turn them into defenders with championship pedigree. There may not be too much alternative and it is up to us to get behind them and not on their backs, that they certainly don't need. UTA...!!!
There may be some, including the famous suits, that believe the PL clubs will have a clear out just before the window closes, an appetizing thought especially when you see the names being bandied around concerning ManU for example. SUrely there will be some little gems in that lot but the suits are going to have to do one hell of a selling job if they believe they can entice any of them to come here. First of all someone is going to have to look at the budgets all over again... Oh well it was a nice idea whilst it lasted. Lets hope SH can really inspire and motivate the likes of Adam C and Maksi and turn them into defenders with championship pedigree. There may not be too much alternative and it is up to us to get behind them and not on their backs, that they certainly don't need. UTA...!!! Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 6

9:41am Thu 7 Aug 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Don't do friendlies generally so Saturday is my first look at Sami's blue and white army.
I have an open mind and will give it 100% support.
Let's all create a great atmosphere and cheer the Albion to 3 points especially those in the East stand, many of whom just tend to sit there and not move a muscle for most of the game. UTA
Don't do friendlies generally so Saturday is my first look at Sami's blue and white army. I have an open mind and will give it 100% support. Let's all create a great atmosphere and cheer the Albion to 3 points especially those in the East stand, many of whom just tend to sit there and not move a muscle for most of the game. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 6

9:44am Thu 7 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

stevebh wrote:
elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
I agree financial (long term) stability is important......doesn

't help tho when you see forest splash 5.5 mil on a new striker.......
Interesting that you should mention Forest since I thought that last season they were one of the teams flouting FFP.
I now suspect that they know that come the end of December that they will be hit with a transfer embargo etc and therefore might as well be hung as a sheep rather than as a lamb and are therefore splashing cash around this Window while they can.
The fatal flaw with FFP as it stands is that any sanctions that might be levied are applied long after the time that the regulations are broken as my theory about Forest illustrates.
I really don't see why each club in both the Premier and Football Leagues can't submit Management Accounts to the end of June by say 25 July so that any sanctions can be levied at the beginning of August ie BEFORE the new season.
One would have to have a regulation that says that if the Management Accounts prove subsequently to be more than say 3% out and as a result that penalties are not applied when otherwise they would be then the sanctions subsequently applied (fines and points deductions perhaps) should be even higher"
One potential benefit of such a regime would be for the PL and FL to apply points deductions against teams for the season just ended which might just result in a club who has broken the rules not being promoted or being relagated (next highest club in the final table taking their place fôr the new season)
Comments anyone - no doubt these thoughts will be attacked but logically there must be some way along the lines I have outlined for the FFP sanctions to be applied much closer to the season in which they are broken.
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]stevebh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]I agree financial (long term) stability is important......doesn 't help tho when you see forest splash 5.5 mil on a new striker.......[/p][/quote]Interesting that you should mention Forest since I thought that last season they were one of the teams flouting FFP. I now suspect that they know that come the end of December that they will be hit with a transfer embargo etc and therefore might as well be hung as a sheep rather than as a lamb and are therefore splashing cash around this Window while they can. The fatal flaw with FFP as it stands is that any sanctions that might be levied are applied long after the time that the regulations are broken as my theory about Forest illustrates. I really don't see why each club in both the Premier and Football Leagues can't submit Management Accounts to the end of June by say 25 July so that any sanctions can be levied at the beginning of August ie BEFORE the new season. One would have to have a regulation that says that if the Management Accounts prove subsequently to be more than say 3% out and as a result that penalties are not applied when otherwise they would be then the sanctions subsequently applied (fines and points deductions perhaps) should be even higher" One potential benefit of such a regime would be for the PL and FL to apply points deductions against teams for the season just ended which might just result in a club who has broken the rules not being promoted or being relagated (next highest club in the final table taking their place fôr the new season) Comments anyone - no doubt these thoughts will be attacked but logically there must be some way along the lines I have outlined for the FFP sanctions to be applied much closer to the season in which they are broken. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

9:45am Thu 7 Aug 14

elljam says...

TheWerewolf wrote:
elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....
It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !!
[quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....[/p][/quote]It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !! elljam
  • Score: 5

9:45am Thu 7 Aug 14

Blue and White Gulls says...

mark by the sea wrote:
AlfieT wrote:
Chicksen is poor defensively, Maksimenko better? Get Ward on a season long loan, better the devil you know.
Ward has a year left on his contract, wolves lost 150k when he was here last season by paying him 3k a week, wolves want him out, we don't want to pay him 13k a week, I have feeling he will join with a few days to go before the window shuts, undisclosed that deal!
I have to say the football club got stuck into the argus , but what for? They are in the business of news, there is none , the club won't give any interviews ... Andy Naylor can't find anything to write about! So he rolls Virgo out for a deep meaning quote!
We have three centrebacks,
One left back.
No creative mid field players , who can keep the ball under pressure .
Centre forwards we miss one, although ogrady is better than some think.
Chickson will get roasted by a decent experienced winger,
Right backs and central defenders are slow, upson covered a lot of problems last season .
I don't know a lot about Sheffield weds , but if I was there manager I would pressurise and hound out players , knowing the fans are restless.
We need a early goal to settle the nerves.
You're right Mark, If they put in Chickson in too soon and up and coming star or not if he gets found out that won't help his confidence at all. These youngsters need mentoring not chucked in the deep end.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: Chicksen is poor defensively, Maksimenko better? Get Ward on a season long loan, better the devil you know.[/p][/quote]Ward has a year left on his contract, wolves lost 150k when he was here last season by paying him 3k a week, wolves want him out, we don't want to pay him 13k a week, I have feeling he will join with a few days to go before the window shuts, undisclosed that deal! I have to say the football club got stuck into the argus , but what for? They are in the business of news, there is none , the club won't give any interviews ... Andy Naylor can't find anything to write about! So he rolls Virgo out for a deep meaning quote! We have three centrebacks, One left back. No creative mid field players , who can keep the ball under pressure . Centre forwards we miss one, although ogrady is better than some think. Chickson will get roasted by a decent experienced winger, Right backs and central defenders are slow, upson covered a lot of problems last season . I don't know a lot about Sheffield weds , but if I was there manager I would pressurise and hound out players , knowing the fans are restless. We need a early goal to settle the nerves.[/p][/quote]You're right Mark, If they put in Chickson in too soon and up and coming star or not if he gets found out that won't help his confidence at all. These youngsters need mentoring not chucked in the deep end. Blue and White Gulls
  • Score: 7

9:47am Thu 7 Aug 14

AlanDuffy says...

I see Wednesday are on the verge of signing Stevie May for £800,000. There's barely a day passes without someone signing someone who I think could do a job for us. Surely this is the sort of player we should be going for? Young, full of promise, bring him on for a couple of years and sell at massive profit. Peterborough seem to manage it.
I see Wednesday are on the verge of signing Stevie May for £800,000. There's barely a day passes without someone signing someone who I think could do a job for us. Surely this is the sort of player we should be going for? Young, full of promise, bring him on for a couple of years and sell at massive profit. Peterborough seem to manage it. AlanDuffy
  • Score: 15

9:56am Thu 7 Aug 14

markymark03 says...

We aren't totally ready I agree but its the same as last year and the year before that, so why did we suddenly expect that to change? Because we got £10m plus from Ulloa, Bridcutt and Barnes?

Its all very disapointing about Clayton, Baldock and maybe even Ward, but on the face of it we have a pretty good team still. Preseason wasn't great but we didn't really field our strongest available team all in one go. We only lost at Peterborough because Duncan Fergason hit the substitute button first and brought on 9 fresh players on an extremely hot afternoon.

Its not ideal but we still have a good team. I know we are worried about left back but Calderon has covered there plenty of times and done a job.
The starting 11 will look something like...

DS, IC, GG, AH, BS, AC, RI, WB, KLL, CMS, COG

Keep the faith - UTA
We aren't totally ready I agree but its the same as last year and the year before that, so why did we suddenly expect that to change? Because we got £10m plus from Ulloa, Bridcutt and Barnes? Its all very disapointing about Clayton, Baldock and maybe even Ward, but on the face of it we have a pretty good team still. Preseason wasn't great but we didn't really field our strongest available team all in one go. We only lost at Peterborough because Duncan Fergason hit the substitute button first and brought on 9 fresh players on an extremely hot afternoon. Its not ideal but we still have a good team. I know we are worried about left back but Calderon has covered there plenty of times and done a job. The starting 11 will look something like... DS, IC, GG, AH, BS, AC, RI, WB, KLL, CMS, COG Keep the faith - UTA markymark03
  • Score: 4

9:58am Thu 7 Aug 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Neville wrote:
Notts Frst just paid 5.5m for Peterborough striker,what is going on with FFP with this club,obviously not worried and banking on promotion. Peterborough seem to have a talent for producing lower league players into gems,perhaps we should try and employ their staff for our academy.
We paid Peterborough 3 million odd for Mackail Smith, perhaps they've seen enough of this lad to know he's not injury prone and can fulfil expectation. Also they've just raised about 6-7 million with the 2 players going to Newcastle. Then again we've just got 8 million for Ulloa! Difference is, Forest want the Premier league more than we do, putting FFP aside, if you want something enough you find a way to achieve it, that's the truth of the matter.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Notts Frst just paid 5.5m for Peterborough striker,what is going on with FFP with this club,obviously not worried and banking on promotion. Peterborough seem to have a talent for producing lower league players into gems,perhaps we should try and employ their staff for our academy.[/p][/quote]We paid Peterborough 3 million odd for Mackail Smith, perhaps they've seen enough of this lad to know he's not injury prone and can fulfil expectation. Also they've just raised about 6-7 million with the 2 players going to Newcastle. Then again we've just got 8 million for Ulloa! Difference is, Forest want the Premier league more than we do, putting FFP aside, if you want something enough you find a way to achieve it, that's the truth of the matter. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -2

10:05am Thu 7 Aug 14

gilbertthecat says...

Quiterie wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more.

Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over.

AND

Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively.

This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug.

These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?
Totally agree. If none of these 3 players arrive (or even if just Ward arrives - which we all could have predicted), Andy Naylor's reputation will have been shot to pieces. I certainly won't trust anything he writes again.
Not disagreeing with you but is this a real surprise? Grabban was a done deal in January and look where that went. Same for other 'signings' last summer. I think the reputation for accurate reporting was shot to pieces along time ago.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more. Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over. AND Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively. This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug. These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?[/p][/quote]Totally agree. If none of these 3 players arrive (or even if just Ward arrives - which we all could have predicted), Andy Naylor's reputation will have been shot to pieces. I certainly won't trust anything he writes again.[/p][/quote]Not disagreeing with you but is this a real surprise? Grabban was a done deal in January and look where that went. Same for other 'signings' last summer. I think the reputation for accurate reporting was shot to pieces along time ago. gilbertthecat
  • Score: -2

10:05am Thu 7 Aug 14

Neville says...

I don't know if anyone else has realised but all the stories or non stories are written by Brian Owen,nothing from Andy Naylor for a while.
both the Argus and the Albion need each other community team and community paper,but it just seems there is a total run down of rappor with the fans now. The main blame,in my opinion, lies squarely on the hierarchy,they need a professional communicator,PB talks well just like a politician with all the spin,especially justifying a 7% fall in season tickets,I am led to believe its more than that at least 3000 down. We are only told what told what they believe is beneficial to the club. There was no advance warning of the price hikes in food and drink,is this the right way to go about things and expect people to just keep paying out.
Many fans would love to visit the training academy but according to the forum night it is like stalag 17 with 24 hr security and not currently available to the paying fans,compare this to most other clubs who welcome fans and make money from merchandising,food etc.
This situation all started with the introduction of PB,whether fans acknowledge this or not and was the start of the GP scenarios.
I understand the board not revealing targets etc however I do expect some meaningful news occasionally on other aspects of the club,something on the structure of the academy,age groups, how to get accepted etc etc. I feel the next 6 months up to season ticket renewals is going to be a defining moment on the future success of the club. Yes it does sound negative but as a lifelong fan I am concerned the direction the club is going in.Great stadium and Academy but currently no investment at all on the playing side.
I don't know if anyone else has realised but all the stories or non stories are written by Brian Owen,nothing from Andy Naylor for a while. both the Argus and the Albion need each other community team and community paper,but it just seems there is a total run down of rappor with the fans now. The main blame,in my opinion, lies squarely on the hierarchy,they need a professional communicator,PB talks well just like a politician with all the spin,especially justifying a 7% fall in season tickets,I am led to believe its more than that at least 3000 down. We are only told what told what they believe is beneficial to the club. There was no advance warning of the price hikes in food and drink,is this the right way to go about things and expect people to just keep paying out. Many fans would love to visit the training academy but according to the forum night it is like stalag 17 with 24 hr security and not currently available to the paying fans,compare this to most other clubs who welcome fans and make money from merchandising,food etc. This situation all started with the introduction of PB,whether fans acknowledge this or not and was the start of the GP scenarios. I understand the board not revealing targets etc however I do expect some meaningful news occasionally on other aspects of the club,something on the structure of the academy,age groups, how to get accepted etc etc. I feel the next 6 months up to season ticket renewals is going to be a defining moment on the future success of the club. Yes it does sound negative but as a lifelong fan I am concerned the direction the club is going in.Great stadium and Academy but currently no investment at all on the playing side. Neville
  • Score: -5

10:10am Thu 7 Aug 14

gilbertthecat says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
There may be some, including the famous suits, that believe the PL clubs will have a clear out just before the window closes, an appetizing thought especially when you see the names being bandied around concerning ManU for example. SUrely there will be some little gems in that lot but the suits are going to have to do one hell of a selling job if they believe they can entice any of them to come here. First of all someone is going to have to look at the budgets all over again... Oh well it was a nice idea whilst it lasted. Lets hope SH can really inspire and motivate the likes of Adam C and Maksi and turn them into defenders with championship pedigree. There may not be too much alternative and it is up to us to get behind them and not on their backs, that they certainly don't need. UTA...!!!
JM you make a good point about any that we might look to buy. Quite simply the club wouldn't cover their wages and asking prices might still be high if there's a sniff of a contract left to run. I think it will be loans if anything, but not purchases of unwanted PL players.
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: There may be some, including the famous suits, that believe the PL clubs will have a clear out just before the window closes, an appetizing thought especially when you see the names being bandied around concerning ManU for example. SUrely there will be some little gems in that lot but the suits are going to have to do one hell of a selling job if they believe they can entice any of them to come here. First of all someone is going to have to look at the budgets all over again... Oh well it was a nice idea whilst it lasted. Lets hope SH can really inspire and motivate the likes of Adam C and Maksi and turn them into defenders with championship pedigree. There may not be too much alternative and it is up to us to get behind them and not on their backs, that they certainly don't need. UTA...!!![/p][/quote]JM you make a good point about any that we might look to buy. Quite simply the club wouldn't cover their wages and asking prices might still be high if there's a sniff of a contract left to run. I think it will be loans if anything, but not purchases of unwanted PL players. gilbertthecat
  • Score: 3

10:24am Thu 7 Aug 14

pjwilk says...

Sorry but i can see us loosing to Sheff.W ,Birminghan,Leeds and Bolton.Could be bottom in September.I hope not but its not looking good.
Sorry but i can see us loosing to Sheff.W ,Birminghan,Leeds and Bolton.Could be bottom in September.I hope not but its not looking good. pjwilk
  • Score: -4

10:28am Thu 7 Aug 14

Barry W says...

Where have all the foreign players that have been mentioned on here gone,and surely Sami must have a contact or two at Liverpool to help us out.
Where have all the foreign players that have been mentioned on here gone,and surely Sami must have a contact or two at Liverpool to help us out. Barry W
  • Score: 5

11:02am Thu 7 Aug 14

tinker111 says...

namgo49 wrote:
Draw at best on Saturday!
WHAT DOES VIRGO KNOW ????? NOWT
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: Draw at best on Saturday![/p][/quote]WHAT DOES VIRGO KNOW ????? NOWT tinker111
  • Score: 0

11:04am Thu 7 Aug 14

tinker111 says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more.

Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over.

AND

Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively.

This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug.

These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?
Held back because of fans forum
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more. Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over. AND Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively. This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug. These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?[/p][/quote]Held back because of fans forum tinker111
  • Score: 0

11:07am Thu 7 Aug 14

pte says...

elljam wrote:
TheWerewolf wrote:
elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....
It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !!
So TB repays himself? TB owns the club and any loans so theres no need to repay any loan not until the club is sold and then the sale proceeds are used to pay off any loans

Actually, the club don't owe a penny for the stadium because they don't own the stadium! The stadium is owned by a separate company that TB no doubt owns and controls or by a consortium he is involved in.

It's hard for people to comprehend but the stadium building costs are really not a drain on the club finances. The only reason for the penny pinching is FFP
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....[/p][/quote]It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !![/p][/quote]So TB repays himself? TB owns the club and any loans so theres no need to repay any loan not until the club is sold and then the sale proceeds are used to pay off any loans Actually, the club don't owe a penny for the stadium because they don't own the stadium! The stadium is owned by a separate company that TB no doubt owns and controls or by a consortium he is involved in. It's hard for people to comprehend but the stadium building costs are really not a drain on the club finances. The only reason for the penny pinching is FFP pte
  • Score: 1

11:07am Thu 7 Aug 14

tinker111 says...

AlfieT wrote:
Chicksen is poor defensively, Maksimenko better? Get Ward on a season long loan, better the devil you know.
NO DONT LOAN BUY SPEND SOME THE MONEY BEFORE IT GOES WEST ????
[quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: Chicksen is poor defensively, Maksimenko better? Get Ward on a season long loan, better the devil you know.[/p][/quote]NO DONT LOAN BUY SPEND SOME THE MONEY BEFORE IT GOES WEST ???? tinker111
  • Score: -3

11:08am Thu 7 Aug 14

tinker111 says...

Baldseagull wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more.

Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over.

AND

Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively.

This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug.

These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?
Educated guessing all round. I had heard a rumour that the deal for Ward was as good as done last weekend, but it appears not.
As far as I know, no other club has expressed an interest in taking Ward, I guess it is common knowledge that he is on £13k per week for the next year and he will not leave for less.
A guess of my own is that it will happen but Wolves will want to give themselves every chance of not paying him off, so it will either be deadline day or be another loan.
Bristols valuation of Baldock is too high for us, or anyone else I think and Clayton looks to have had a better offer, he might have been close to signing for us before recieving that offer, or he might have a preference to go to Boro and asked them to match or better our offer,
The end of the loan window is when we know what we have to work with and until then it is all a bit of guessing.
10 K + bonus as has been done before should do it
[quote][p][bold]Baldseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more. Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over. AND Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively. This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug. These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?[/p][/quote]Educated guessing all round. I had heard a rumour that the deal for Ward was as good as done last weekend, but it appears not. As far as I know, no other club has expressed an interest in taking Ward, I guess it is common knowledge that he is on £13k per week for the next year and he will not leave for less. A guess of my own is that it will happen but Wolves will want to give themselves every chance of not paying him off, so it will either be deadline day or be another loan. Bristols valuation of Baldock is too high for us, or anyone else I think and Clayton looks to have had a better offer, he might have been close to signing for us before recieving that offer, or he might have a preference to go to Boro and asked them to match or better our offer, The end of the loan window is when we know what we have to work with and until then it is all a bit of guessing.[/p][/quote]10 K + bonus as has been done before should do it tinker111
  • Score: -2

11:09am Thu 7 Aug 14

Mark Dixon says...

Sorry where does Virgo come into things, has he just signed up for the Albion or is it the Albion arn't speaking to the Argus so stories have to come from ex-players now??
Sorry where does Virgo come into things, has he just signed up for the Albion or is it the Albion arn't speaking to the Argus so stories have to come from ex-players now?? Mark Dixon
  • Score: -3

11:10am Thu 7 Aug 14

tinker111 says...

Bostik wrote:
I wonder if Mark McGhee has an opinion on our summer dealings? Would love to hear from him too.
Please no we have gone low with AV but not that low
[quote][p][bold]Bostik[/bold] wrote: I wonder if Mark McGhee has an opinion on our summer dealings? Would love to hear from him too.[/p][/quote]Please no we have gone low with AV but not that low tinker111
  • Score: -6

11:12am Thu 7 Aug 14

tinker111 says...

Uckfield Seagull wrote:
The time has come for all this talk about lack of transfer activity to stop, all of a sudden we start within 48 hours and its time to concentrate on Saturday 15:00, we have a starting 11 that can beat Wednesday and Birmingham, so its the up the Albion !!!


( We have to trust Bloom to keep to his word, surely Hyypia would not of joined if transfers were not going to happen, and I hope they are Hyypia signings, all the names mentioned are before Hyypia time so I am taking this as a positive, he is in charge which hopefully means Burke can take an upseat )
SH GONE END OF YEAR SOLD A PUP
[quote][p][bold]Uckfield Seagull[/bold] wrote: The time has come for all this talk about lack of transfer activity to stop, all of a sudden we start within 48 hours and its time to concentrate on Saturday 15:00, we have a starting 11 that can beat Wednesday and Birmingham, so its the up the Albion !!! ( We have to trust Bloom to keep to his word, surely Hyypia would not of joined if transfers were not going to happen, and I hope they are Hyypia signings, all the names mentioned are before Hyypia time so I am taking this as a positive, he is in charge which hopefully means Burke can take an upseat )[/p][/quote]SH GONE END OF YEAR SOLD A PUP tinker111
  • Score: -1

11:19am Thu 7 Aug 14

tug509 says...

From what I heard from Bloom and Barber on the forum ,if they said it was raining I would look out a window to check ,I wont trust anyone who has lied through their teeth and made the use of excuses a daily habit .
Every single one of us has some small and basic understanding of how the club is run ,and we heavily rely on those who we trust at the club to ,at least try to keep us ,as supporters/customers in the loop within reason .What I heard on that farce of a forum was a totally dismissive attitude ,a you wouldn`t understand brush off .
Well ,we understand when we are being taken for a ride Mr Bloom ,and whilst I have never had a bad word for you until the forum ,I can think of one or two quite easily now ,and BS is at the top of the list .
I can only speak for myself ,but I would rather be given a ream of truthful bad news ,than be lied to and expected to suck it up without a murmur ,and to be given false hope and PROMISES ,so easily and brazenly broken .
There are lots of views on here ,but one unescapable fact is that we have been lied to on several occasions recently ,I love my club and expected my loyalty to be worth more than that , apparently it`s not .
From what I heard from Bloom and Barber on the forum ,if they said it was raining I would look out a window to check ,I wont trust anyone who has lied through their teeth and made the use of excuses a daily habit . Every single one of us has some small and basic understanding of how the club is run ,and we heavily rely on those who we trust at the club to ,at least try to keep us ,as supporters/customers in the loop within reason .What I heard on that farce of a forum was a totally dismissive attitude ,a you wouldn`t understand brush off . Well ,we understand when we are being taken for a ride Mr Bloom ,and whilst I have never had a bad word for you until the forum ,I can think of one or two quite easily now ,and BS is at the top of the list . I can only speak for myself ,but I would rather be given a ream of truthful bad news ,than be lied to and expected to suck it up without a murmur ,and to be given false hope and PROMISES ,so easily and brazenly broken . There are lots of views on here ,but one unescapable fact is that we have been lied to on several occasions recently ,I love my club and expected my loyalty to be worth more than that , apparently it`s not . tug509
  • Score: -5

11:20am Thu 7 Aug 14

stonegold says...

So DB is working really hard on trying to land our targets and is on the phone to agents all day long. According to TB and PB he's doing a great job and the Club couldn't do without him. Didn't someone once say that football was a results business? At what point does DB get judged on results, not just on all the hard work he (and his apparently extensive team) put in?

Surely if your main role is player recruitment, and you don't manage to recruit any players, people have a right to raise serious questions.
So DB is working really hard on trying to land our targets and is on the phone to agents all day long. According to TB and PB he's doing a great job and the Club couldn't do without him. Didn't someone once say that football was a results business? At what point does DB get judged on results, not just on all the hard work he (and his apparently extensive team) put in? Surely if your main role is player recruitment, and you don't manage to recruit any players, people have a right to raise serious questions. stonegold
  • Score: 15

11:20am Thu 7 Aug 14

Jules boy says...

Billy Sharp anyone? Linked on Sky Sports
Billy Sharp anyone? Linked on Sky Sports Jules boy
  • Score: 3

11:21am Thu 7 Aug 14

daveyboy35 says...

Neville wrote:
I don't know if anyone else has realised but all the stories or non stories are written by Brian Owen,nothing from Andy Naylor for a while.
both the Argus and the Albion need each other community team and community paper,but it just seems there is a total run down of rappor with the fans now. The main blame,in my opinion, lies squarely on the hierarchy,they need a professional communicator,PB talks well just like a politician with all the spin,especially justifying a 7% fall in season tickets,I am led to believe its more than that at least 3000 down. We are only told what told what they believe is beneficial to the club. There was no advance warning of the price hikes in food and drink,is this the right way to go about things and expect people to just keep paying out.
Many fans would love to visit the training academy but according to the forum night it is like stalag 17 with 24 hr security and not currently available to the paying fans,compare this to most other clubs who welcome fans and make money from merchandising,food etc.
This situation all started with the introduction of PB,whether fans acknowledge this or not and was the start of the GP scenarios.
I understand the board not revealing targets etc however I do expect some meaningful news occasionally on other aspects of the club,something on the structure of the academy,age groups, how to get accepted etc etc. I feel the next 6 months up to season ticket renewals is going to be a defining moment on the future success of the club. Yes it does sound negative but as a lifelong fan I am concerned the direction the club is going in.Great stadium and Academy but currently no investment at all on the playing side.
Spot on..... And if we get beat on Saturday then the powers that be are gonna have to stop feeding us **** and come up with some proper answers!!!! They might own the club but without paying customers there won't be a club!!!
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: I don't know if anyone else has realised but all the stories or non stories are written by Brian Owen,nothing from Andy Naylor for a while. both the Argus and the Albion need each other community team and community paper,but it just seems there is a total run down of rappor with the fans now. The main blame,in my opinion, lies squarely on the hierarchy,they need a professional communicator,PB talks well just like a politician with all the spin,especially justifying a 7% fall in season tickets,I am led to believe its more than that at least 3000 down. We are only told what told what they believe is beneficial to the club. There was no advance warning of the price hikes in food and drink,is this the right way to go about things and expect people to just keep paying out. Many fans would love to visit the training academy but according to the forum night it is like stalag 17 with 24 hr security and not currently available to the paying fans,compare this to most other clubs who welcome fans and make money from merchandising,food etc. This situation all started with the introduction of PB,whether fans acknowledge this or not and was the start of the GP scenarios. I understand the board not revealing targets etc however I do expect some meaningful news occasionally on other aspects of the club,something on the structure of the academy,age groups, how to get accepted etc etc. I feel the next 6 months up to season ticket renewals is going to be a defining moment on the future success of the club. Yes it does sound negative but as a lifelong fan I am concerned the direction the club is going in.Great stadium and Academy but currently no investment at all on the playing side.[/p][/quote]Spot on..... And if we get beat on Saturday then the powers that be are gonna have to stop feeding us **** and come up with some proper answers!!!! They might own the club but without paying customers there won't be a club!!! daveyboy35
  • Score: 1

11:25am Thu 7 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

I see that Sky Sports are running a story saying that we are one of a number of Championship clubs interested in Southampton's Billy Sharp.
If memory serves me right weren't we keen on him about 4 or 5 years ago ? I know the market is slow these days but that is ridiculous !
I see that Sky Sports are running a story saying that we are one of a number of Championship clubs interested in Southampton's Billy Sharp. If memory serves me right weren't we keen on him about 4 or 5 years ago ? I know the market is slow these days but that is ridiculous ! ballantrrae
  • Score: 7

11:27am Thu 7 Aug 14

Rhodes Seagull says...

Jules boy wrote:
Billy Sharp anyone? Linked on Sky Sports
Yep read this
Sky Sports understands a number of Championship clubs are chasing Southampton striker Billy Sharp.
[quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: Billy Sharp anyone? Linked on Sky Sports[/p][/quote]Yep read this Sky Sports understands a number of Championship clubs are chasing Southampton striker Billy Sharp. Rhodes Seagull
  • Score: 0

11:37am Thu 7 Aug 14

tug509 says...

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Jules boy wrote:
Billy Sharp anyone? Linked on Sky Sports
Yep read this
Sky Sports understands a number of Championship clubs are chasing Southampton striker Billy Sharp.
Get your arse in gear burke ,there wont be any excuses for moving long distances ,they are our neighbours ,and after the Lee business would surely nudge him in our direction ,IF WE STAMP UP THE MONEY ,lose this and you should be bloody shot ! .
[quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: Billy Sharp anyone? Linked on Sky Sports[/p][/quote]Yep read this Sky Sports understands a number of Championship clubs are chasing Southampton striker Billy Sharp.[/p][/quote]Get your arse in gear burke ,there wont be any excuses for moving long distances ,they are our neighbours ,and after the Lee business would surely nudge him in our direction ,IF WE STAMP UP THE MONEY ,lose this and you should be bloody shot ! . tug509
  • Score: 5

11:43am Thu 7 Aug 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

tug509 wrote:
From what I heard from Bloom and Barber on the forum ,if they said it was raining I would look out a window to check ,I wont trust anyone who has lied through their teeth and made the use of excuses a daily habit .
Every single one of us has some small and basic understanding of how the club is run ,and we heavily rely on those who we trust at the club to ,at least try to keep us ,as supporters/customers in the loop within reason .What I heard on that farce of a forum was a totally dismissive attitude ,a you wouldn`t understand brush off .
Well ,we understand when we are being taken for a ride Mr Bloom ,and whilst I have never had a bad word for you until the forum ,I can think of one or two quite easily now ,and BS is at the top of the list .
I can only speak for myself ,but I would rather be given a ream of truthful bad news ,than be lied to and expected to suck it up without a murmur ,and to be given false hope and PROMISES ,so easily and brazenly broken .
There are lots of views on here ,but one unescapable fact is that we have been lied to on several occasions recently ,I love my club and expected my loyalty to be worth more than that , apparently it`s not .
Yet another great post mate...

Breaking news on TeamTalk site is that Billy Sharp could be up for grabs; with 10 from 18 at S'ton we could do worse... Apparently we're in the frame with Leeds and Reading... Let's see where that one goes.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: From what I heard from Bloom and Barber on the forum ,if they said it was raining I would look out a window to check ,I wont trust anyone who has lied through their teeth and made the use of excuses a daily habit . Every single one of us has some small and basic understanding of how the club is run ,and we heavily rely on those who we trust at the club to ,at least try to keep us ,as supporters/customers in the loop within reason .What I heard on that farce of a forum was a totally dismissive attitude ,a you wouldn`t understand brush off . Well ,we understand when we are being taken for a ride Mr Bloom ,and whilst I have never had a bad word for you until the forum ,I can think of one or two quite easily now ,and BS is at the top of the list . I can only speak for myself ,but I would rather be given a ream of truthful bad news ,than be lied to and expected to suck it up without a murmur ,and to be given false hope and PROMISES ,so easily and brazenly broken . There are lots of views on here ,but one unescapable fact is that we have been lied to on several occasions recently ,I love my club and expected my loyalty to be worth more than that , apparently it`s not .[/p][/quote]Yet another great post mate... Breaking news on TeamTalk site is that Billy Sharp could be up for grabs; with 10 from 18 at S'ton we could do worse... Apparently we're in the frame with Leeds and Reading... Let's see where that one goes. Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 0

11:46am Thu 7 Aug 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

stonegold wrote:
So DB is working really hard on trying to land our targets and is on the phone to agents all day long. According to TB and PB he's doing a great job and the Club couldn't do without him. Didn't someone once say that football was a results business? At what point does DB get judged on results, not just on all the hard work he (and his apparently extensive team) put in?

Surely if your main role is player recruitment, and you don't manage to recruit any players, people have a right to raise serious questions.
Credit where credit's due... Along with Tug another great post.
[quote][p][bold]stonegold[/bold] wrote: So DB is working really hard on trying to land our targets and is on the phone to agents all day long. According to TB and PB he's doing a great job and the Club couldn't do without him. Didn't someone once say that football was a results business? At what point does DB get judged on results, not just on all the hard work he (and his apparently extensive team) put in? Surely if your main role is player recruitment, and you don't manage to recruit any players, people have a right to raise serious questions.[/p][/quote]Credit where credit's due... Along with Tug another great post. Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 4

11:55am Thu 7 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

ballantrrae wrote:
I see that Sky Sports are running a story saying that we are one of a number of Championship clubs interested in Southampton's Billy Sharp.
If memory serves me right weren't we keen on him about 4 or 5 years ago ? I know the market is slow these days but that is ridiculous !
Ha, ha, Like it
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: I see that Sky Sports are running a story saying that we are one of a number of Championship clubs interested in Southampton's Billy Sharp. If memory serves me right weren't we keen on him about 4 or 5 years ago ? I know the market is slow these days but that is ridiculous ![/p][/quote]Ha, ha, Like it dave from bexill
  • Score: 1

12:10pm Thu 7 Aug 14

jarmonesque says...

markymark03 wrote:
We aren't totally ready I agree but its the same as last year and the year before that, so why did we suddenly expect that to change? Because we got £10m plus from Ulloa, Bridcutt and Barnes?

Its all very disapointing about Clayton, Baldock and maybe even Ward, but on the face of it we have a pretty good team still. Preseason wasn't great but we didn't really field our strongest available team all in one go. We only lost at Peterborough because Duncan Fergason hit the substitute button first and brought on 9 fresh players on an extremely hot afternoon.

Its not ideal but we still have a good team. I know we are worried about left back but Calderon has covered there plenty of times and done a job.
The starting 11 will look something like...

DS, IC, GG, AH, BS, AC, RI, WB, KLL, CMS, COG

Keep the faith - UTA
Absolutely spot on!
[quote][p][bold]markymark03[/bold] wrote: We aren't totally ready I agree but its the same as last year and the year before that, so why did we suddenly expect that to change? Because we got £10m plus from Ulloa, Bridcutt and Barnes? Its all very disapointing about Clayton, Baldock and maybe even Ward, but on the face of it we have a pretty good team still. Preseason wasn't great but we didn't really field our strongest available team all in one go. We only lost at Peterborough because Duncan Fergason hit the substitute button first and brought on 9 fresh players on an extremely hot afternoon. Its not ideal but we still have a good team. I know we are worried about left back but Calderon has covered there plenty of times and done a job. The starting 11 will look something like... DS, IC, GG, AH, BS, AC, RI, WB, KLL, CMS, COG Keep the faith - UTA[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on! jarmonesque
  • Score: 0

12:28pm Thu 7 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Considering recent events regarding press reports, I wouldn't get too excited over the Billy Sharp report. Everyone and his dog knows that Brighton are looking for a striker and that we have money to spend, so when there is a hint of one becoming available it's not hard for the press to put our name in the ring.
Considering recent events regarding press reports, I wouldn't get too excited over the Billy Sharp report. Everyone and his dog knows that Brighton are looking for a striker and that we have money to spend, so when there is a hint of one becoming available it's not hard for the press to put our name in the ring. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

12:40pm Thu 7 Aug 14

To baldly go says...

mark by the sea wrote:
AlfieT wrote: Chicksen is poor defensively, Maksimenko better? Get Ward on a season long loan, better the devil you know.
Ward has a year left on his contract, wolves lost 150k when he was here last season by paying him 3k a week, wolves want him out, we don't want to pay him 13k a week, I have feeling he will join with a few days to go before the window shuts, undisclosed that deal! I have to say the football club got stuck into the argus , but what for? They are in the business of news, there is none , the club won't give any interviews ... Andy Naylor can't find anything to write about! So he rolls Virgo out for a deep meaning quote! We have three centrebacks, One left back. No creative mid field players , who can keep the ball under pressure . Centre forwards we miss one, although ogrady is better than some think. Chickson will get roasted by a decent experienced winger, Right backs and central defenders are slow, upson covered a lot of problems last season . I don't know a lot about Sheffield weds , but if I was there manager I would pressurise and hound out players , knowing the fans are restless. We need a early goal to settle the nerves.
Chicksen is better than a lot of us think, he needs a run in the team to gain that experience/confidenc
e required, the games he played in last season he looked ok imo, how ever, the way Hyypia has the team set up judging by the games against Posh and the Saints, Chicksen will be playing a very advanced role leaving the defence exposed, can the likes of Hughes or Greer cover?
Ward may arrive at the end of August, but only if Chicksen doesnt prove himself begore hand. I think Maksi will be used as cover for both left back and centre back at the moment.
Wednesday are in a worse position than us player wise and also having trouble with a new owner, hopefully it will be us hassling them and get a winning start to the season for a change.
My pick for Saturday:
Stockdale, Bruno, Greer, Hughes, Chicksen, Ince, Crofts, Jfc, LuaLua, O'Grady, Buckley.
Subs, Casper, Dunk, Caldi, Agustien, Toko, March, Cms.
Not to bad a team, depends on tactics imo, get a few injuries though and you can see how thin the squad is.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlfieT[/bold] wrote: Chicksen is poor defensively, Maksimenko better? Get Ward on a season long loan, better the devil you know.[/p][/quote]Ward has a year left on his contract, wolves lost 150k when he was here last season by paying him 3k a week, wolves want him out, we don't want to pay him 13k a week, I have feeling he will join with a few days to go before the window shuts, undisclosed that deal! I have to say the football club got stuck into the argus , but what for? They are in the business of news, there is none , the club won't give any interviews ... Andy Naylor can't find anything to write about! So he rolls Virgo out for a deep meaning quote! We have three centrebacks, One left back. No creative mid field players , who can keep the ball under pressure . Centre forwards we miss one, although ogrady is better than some think. Chickson will get roasted by a decent experienced winger, Right backs and central defenders are slow, upson covered a lot of problems last season . I don't know a lot about Sheffield weds , but if I was there manager I would pressurise and hound out players , knowing the fans are restless. We need a early goal to settle the nerves.[/p][/quote]Chicksen is better than a lot of us think, he needs a run in the team to gain that experience/confidenc e required, the games he played in last season he looked ok imo, how ever, the way Hyypia has the team set up judging by the games against Posh and the Saints, Chicksen will be playing a very advanced role leaving the defence exposed, can the likes of Hughes or Greer cover? Ward may arrive at the end of August, but only if Chicksen doesnt prove himself begore hand. I think Maksi will be used as cover for both left back and centre back at the moment. Wednesday are in a worse position than us player wise and also having trouble with a new owner, hopefully it will be us hassling them and get a winning start to the season for a change. My pick for Saturday: Stockdale, Bruno, Greer, Hughes, Chicksen, Ince, Crofts, Jfc, LuaLua, O'Grady, Buckley. Subs, Casper, Dunk, Caldi, Agustien, Toko, March, Cms. Not to bad a team, depends on tactics imo, get a few injuries though and you can see how thin the squad is. To baldly go
  • Score: 3

12:42pm Thu 7 Aug 14

tinker111 says...

tug509 wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Jules boy wrote:
Billy Sharp anyone? Linked on Sky Sports
Yep read this
Sky Sports understands a number of Championship clubs are chasing Southampton striker Billy Sharp.
Get your arse in gear burke ,there wont be any excuses for moving long distances ,they are our neighbours ,and after the Lee business would surely nudge him in our direction ,IF WE STAMP UP THE MONEY ,lose this and you should be bloody shot ! .
Should have been shot out of here way back
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: Billy Sharp anyone? Linked on Sky Sports[/p][/quote]Yep read this Sky Sports understands a number of Championship clubs are chasing Southampton striker Billy Sharp.[/p][/quote]Get your arse in gear burke ,there wont be any excuses for moving long distances ,they are our neighbours ,and after the Lee business would surely nudge him in our direction ,IF WE STAMP UP THE MONEY ,lose this and you should be bloody shot ! .[/p][/quote]Should have been shot out of here way back tinker111
  • Score: 0

12:43pm Thu 7 Aug 14

tug509 says...

markymark03 wrote:
We aren't totally ready I agree but its the same as last year and the year before that, so why did we suddenly expect that to change? Because we got £10m plus from Ulloa, Bridcutt and Barnes?

Its all very disapointing about Clayton, Baldock and maybe even Ward, but on the face of it we have a pretty good team still. Preseason wasn't great but we didn't really field our strongest available team all in one go. We only lost at Peterborough because Duncan Fergason hit the substitute button first and brought on 9 fresh players on an extremely hot afternoon.

Its not ideal but we still have a good team. I know we are worried about left back but Calderon has covered there plenty of times and done a job.
The starting 11 will look something like...

DS, IC, GG, AH, BS, AC, RI, WB, KLL, CMS, COG

Keep the faith - UTA
Hi MarkyMark03 ,
Saturday we could probably just about field a competitive team so long as we don't ask too much from the bench ,but it will be ,as all first games of the new season are fought out tooth and nail ,if we are lucky enough to walk away from this without more than a couple of knocks ,who do we play on Tuesday for the cup game ? do we ask some if not most who played on Saturday to do a turn again or play the U18s or whats left of our DS squad , we are in the smelly stuff ,and make no bones about it ,we need a LOT of new lads in . I don't choose to be rude to anyone ,but it`s a natural reflex to people like the (now) 3Bs who treat me ,a supporter for 43 years like a mug . If we take some injuries on Saturday ,we are ****** plain and simple ,and no amount of have faiths or keep your chin ups are going to change a cold fact .
Please make me wrong and give us some new blood 3Bs, Sharp would be at least a statement of intent and not your recent contempt .
[quote][p][bold]markymark03[/bold] wrote: We aren't totally ready I agree but its the same as last year and the year before that, so why did we suddenly expect that to change? Because we got £10m plus from Ulloa, Bridcutt and Barnes? Its all very disapointing about Clayton, Baldock and maybe even Ward, but on the face of it we have a pretty good team still. Preseason wasn't great but we didn't really field our strongest available team all in one go. We only lost at Peterborough because Duncan Fergason hit the substitute button first and brought on 9 fresh players on an extremely hot afternoon. Its not ideal but we still have a good team. I know we are worried about left back but Calderon has covered there plenty of times and done a job. The starting 11 will look something like... DS, IC, GG, AH, BS, AC, RI, WB, KLL, CMS, COG Keep the faith - UTA[/p][/quote]Hi MarkyMark03 , Saturday we could probably just about field a competitive team so long as we don't ask too much from the bench ,but it will be ,as all first games of the new season are fought out tooth and nail ,if we are lucky enough to walk away from this without more than a couple of knocks ,who do we play on Tuesday for the cup game ? do we ask some if not most who played on Saturday to do a turn again or play the U18s or whats left of our DS squad , we are in the smelly stuff ,and make no bones about it ,we need a LOT of new lads in . I don't choose to be rude to anyone ,but it`s a natural reflex to people like the (now) 3Bs who treat me ,a supporter for 43 years like a mug . If we take some injuries on Saturday ,we are ****** plain and simple ,and no amount of have faiths or keep your chin ups are going to change a cold fact . Please make me wrong and give us some new blood 3Bs, Sharp would be at least a statement of intent and not your recent contempt . tug509
  • Score: 3

12:43pm Thu 7 Aug 14

tinker111 says...

Jules boy wrote:
Billy Sharp anyone? Linked on Sky Sports
no thanks
[quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: Billy Sharp anyone? Linked on Sky Sports[/p][/quote]no thanks tinker111
  • Score: 1

12:48pm Thu 7 Aug 14

gordongull says...

ballantrrae wrote:
stevebh wrote:
elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
I agree financial (long term) stability is important......doesn


't help tho when you see forest splash 5.5 mil on a new striker.......
Interesting that you should mention Forest since I thought that last season they were one of the teams flouting FFP.
I now suspect that they know that come the end of December that they will be hit with a transfer embargo etc and therefore might as well be hung as a sheep rather than as a lamb and are therefore splashing cash around this Window while they can.
The fatal flaw with FFP as it stands is that any sanctions that might be levied are applied long after the time that the regulations are broken as my theory about Forest illustrates.
I really don't see why each club in both the Premier and Football Leagues can't submit Management Accounts to the end of June by say 25 July so that any sanctions can be levied at the beginning of August ie BEFORE the new season.
One would have to have a regulation that says that if the Management Accounts prove subsequently to be more than say 3% out and as a result that penalties are not applied when otherwise they would be then the sanctions subsequently applied (fines and points deductions perhaps) should be even higher"
One potential benefit of such a regime would be for the PL and FL to apply points deductions against teams for the season just ended which might just result in a club who has broken the rules not being promoted or being relagated (next highest club in the final table taking their place fôr the new season)
Comments anyone - no doubt these thoughts will be attacked but logically there must be some way along the lines I have outlined for the FFP sanctions to be applied much closer to the season in which they are broken.
UTA.
There were proposals to introduce ‘Real Time Testing’ to ensure compliance during the season, avoiding the need for retrospective penalties, Ballanttrae.
The changes were rejected at a meeting of Championship Club Owners in May, because they failed to gain the required 75% of the votes.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevebh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]I agree financial (long term) stability is important......doesn 't help tho when you see forest splash 5.5 mil on a new striker.......[/p][/quote]Interesting that you should mention Forest since I thought that last season they were one of the teams flouting FFP. I now suspect that they know that come the end of December that they will be hit with a transfer embargo etc and therefore might as well be hung as a sheep rather than as a lamb and are therefore splashing cash around this Window while they can. The fatal flaw with FFP as it stands is that any sanctions that might be levied are applied long after the time that the regulations are broken as my theory about Forest illustrates. I really don't see why each club in both the Premier and Football Leagues can't submit Management Accounts to the end of June by say 25 July so that any sanctions can be levied at the beginning of August ie BEFORE the new season. One would have to have a regulation that says that if the Management Accounts prove subsequently to be more than say 3% out and as a result that penalties are not applied when otherwise they would be then the sanctions subsequently applied (fines and points deductions perhaps) should be even higher" One potential benefit of such a regime would be for the PL and FL to apply points deductions against teams for the season just ended which might just result in a club who has broken the rules not being promoted or being relagated (next highest club in the final table taking their place fôr the new season) Comments anyone - no doubt these thoughts will be attacked but logically there must be some way along the lines I have outlined for the FFP sanctions to be applied much closer to the season in which they are broken. UTA.[/p][/quote]There were proposals to introduce ‘Real Time Testing’ to ensure compliance during the season, avoiding the need for retrospective penalties, Ballanttrae. The changes were rejected at a meeting of Championship Club Owners in May, because they failed to gain the required 75% of the votes. gordongull
  • Score: 3

12:59pm Thu 7 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

gordongull wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
stevebh wrote:
elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
I agree financial (long term) stability is important......doesn



't help tho when you see forest splash 5.5 mil on a new striker.......
Interesting that you should mention Forest since I thought that last season they were one of the teams flouting FFP.
I now suspect that they know that come the end of December that they will be hit with a transfer embargo etc and therefore might as well be hung as a sheep rather than as a lamb and are therefore splashing cash around this Window while they can.
The fatal flaw with FFP as it stands is that any sanctions that might be levied are applied long after the time that the regulations are broken as my theory about Forest illustrates.
I really don't see why each club in both the Premier and Football Leagues can't submit Management Accounts to the end of June by say 25 July so that any sanctions can be levied at the beginning of August ie BEFORE the new season.
One would have to have a regulation that says that if the Management Accounts prove subsequently to be more than say 3% out and as a result that penalties are not applied when otherwise they would be then the sanctions subsequently applied (fines and points deductions perhaps) should be even higher"
One potential benefit of such a regime would be for the PL and FL to apply points deductions against teams for the season just ended which might just result in a club who has broken the rules not being promoted or being relagated (next highest club in the final table taking their place fôr the new season)
Comments anyone - no doubt these thoughts will be attacked but logically there must be some way along the lines I have outlined for the FFP sanctions to be applied much closer to the season in which they are broken.
UTA.
There were proposals to introduce ‘Real Time Testing’ to ensure compliance during the season, avoiding the need for retrospective penalties, Ballanttrae.
The changes were rejected at a meeting of Championship Club Owners in May, because they failed to gain the required 75% of the votes.
I think you will find that the next set of figures that Forest and all Champ Div clubs announce, will be for last season, so only then will we know if Forest, or anyone else, flouted the FFP rules.Like wise, any money Forest spend for this season, will not be known until December of next season.

I seem to recall someone at Forest, maybe three months ago, saying that they were confident that they did not break the FFP rules last year.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevebh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]I agree financial (long term) stability is important......doesn 't help tho when you see forest splash 5.5 mil on a new striker.......[/p][/quote]Interesting that you should mention Forest since I thought that last season they were one of the teams flouting FFP. I now suspect that they know that come the end of December that they will be hit with a transfer embargo etc and therefore might as well be hung as a sheep rather than as a lamb and are therefore splashing cash around this Window while they can. The fatal flaw with FFP as it stands is that any sanctions that might be levied are applied long after the time that the regulations are broken as my theory about Forest illustrates. I really don't see why each club in both the Premier and Football Leagues can't submit Management Accounts to the end of June by say 25 July so that any sanctions can be levied at the beginning of August ie BEFORE the new season. One would have to have a regulation that says that if the Management Accounts prove subsequently to be more than say 3% out and as a result that penalties are not applied when otherwise they would be then the sanctions subsequently applied (fines and points deductions perhaps) should be even higher" One potential benefit of such a regime would be for the PL and FL to apply points deductions against teams for the season just ended which might just result in a club who has broken the rules not being promoted or being relagated (next highest club in the final table taking their place fôr the new season) Comments anyone - no doubt these thoughts will be attacked but logically there must be some way along the lines I have outlined for the FFP sanctions to be applied much closer to the season in which they are broken. UTA.[/p][/quote]There were proposals to introduce ‘Real Time Testing’ to ensure compliance during the season, avoiding the need for retrospective penalties, Ballanttrae. The changes were rejected at a meeting of Championship Club Owners in May, because they failed to gain the required 75% of the votes.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the next set of figures that Forest and all Champ Div clubs announce, will be for last season, so only then will we know if Forest, or anyone else, flouted the FFP rules.Like wise, any money Forest spend for this season, will not be known until December of next season. I seem to recall someone at Forest, maybe three months ago, saying that they were confident that they did not break the FFP rules last year. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

1:11pm Thu 7 Aug 14

gordongull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
gordongull wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
stevebh wrote:
elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
I agree financial (long term) stability is important......doesn




't help tho when you see forest splash 5.5 mil on a new striker.......
Interesting that you should mention Forest since I thought that last season they were one of the teams flouting FFP.
I now suspect that they know that come the end of December that they will be hit with a transfer embargo etc and therefore might as well be hung as a sheep rather than as a lamb and are therefore splashing cash around this Window while they can.
The fatal flaw with FFP as it stands is that any sanctions that might be levied are applied long after the time that the regulations are broken as my theory about Forest illustrates.
I really don't see why each club in both the Premier and Football Leagues can't submit Management Accounts to the end of June by say 25 July so that any sanctions can be levied at the beginning of August ie BEFORE the new season.
One would have to have a regulation that says that if the Management Accounts prove subsequently to be more than say 3% out and as a result that penalties are not applied when otherwise they would be then the sanctions subsequently applied (fines and points deductions perhaps) should be even higher"
One potential benefit of such a regime would be for the PL and FL to apply points deductions against teams for the season just ended which might just result in a club who has broken the rules not being promoted or being relagated (next highest club in the final table taking their place fôr the new season)
Comments anyone - no doubt these thoughts will be attacked but logically there must be some way along the lines I have outlined for the FFP sanctions to be applied much closer to the season in which they are broken.
UTA.
There were proposals to introduce ‘Real Time Testing’ to ensure compliance during the season, avoiding the need for retrospective penalties, Ballanttrae.
The changes were rejected at a meeting of Championship Club Owners in May, because they failed to gain the required 75% of the votes.
I think you will find that the next set of figures that Forest and all Champ Div clubs announce, will be for last season, so only then will we know if Forest, or anyone else, flouted the FFP rules.Like wise, any money Forest spend for this season, will not be known until December of next season.

I seem to recall someone at Forest, maybe three months ago, saying that they were confident that they did not break the FFP rules last year.
That is right, Vegas, we will know in December, and penalties will will be handed out in January.
What Ballantrrae was suggesting was for testing and penalties to be done in the actual season.
In my reply I pointed out that the Owners recently debated and voted on 'Real Time Testing' to be brought in next season, but the proposals were rejected.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stevebh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]I agree financial (long term) stability is important......doesn 't help tho when you see forest splash 5.5 mil on a new striker.......[/p][/quote]Interesting that you should mention Forest since I thought that last season they were one of the teams flouting FFP. I now suspect that they know that come the end of December that they will be hit with a transfer embargo etc and therefore might as well be hung as a sheep rather than as a lamb and are therefore splashing cash around this Window while they can. The fatal flaw with FFP as it stands is that any sanctions that might be levied are applied long after the time that the regulations are broken as my theory about Forest illustrates. I really don't see why each club in both the Premier and Football Leagues can't submit Management Accounts to the end of June by say 25 July so that any sanctions can be levied at the beginning of August ie BEFORE the new season. One would have to have a regulation that says that if the Management Accounts prove subsequently to be more than say 3% out and as a result that penalties are not applied when otherwise they would be then the sanctions subsequently applied (fines and points deductions perhaps) should be even higher" One potential benefit of such a regime would be for the PL and FL to apply points deductions against teams for the season just ended which might just result in a club who has broken the rules not being promoted or being relagated (next highest club in the final table taking their place fôr the new season) Comments anyone - no doubt these thoughts will be attacked but logically there must be some way along the lines I have outlined for the FFP sanctions to be applied much closer to the season in which they are broken. UTA.[/p][/quote]There were proposals to introduce ‘Real Time Testing’ to ensure compliance during the season, avoiding the need for retrospective penalties, Ballanttrae. The changes were rejected at a meeting of Championship Club Owners in May, because they failed to gain the required 75% of the votes.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the next set of figures that Forest and all Champ Div clubs announce, will be for last season, so only then will we know if Forest, or anyone else, flouted the FFP rules.Like wise, any money Forest spend for this season, will not be known until December of next season. I seem to recall someone at Forest, maybe three months ago, saying that they were confident that they did not break the FFP rules last year.[/p][/quote]That is right, Vegas, we will know in December, and penalties will will be handed out in January. What Ballantrrae was suggesting was for testing and penalties to be done in the actual season. In my reply I pointed out that the Owners recently debated and voted on 'Real Time Testing' to be brought in next season, but the proposals were rejected. gordongull
  • Score: 0

1:15pm Thu 7 Aug 14

TheWerewolf says...

elljam wrote:
TheWerewolf wrote:
elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....
It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !!
So at the moment year on year, how much do you think we are paying? This is like an interest only mortgage with no interest. If TB was not blue blooded i would be far more concerned but with him at the helm we have the ability to move forward cost free.....The Arsenal analogy doesn't work since they have real interest payments which reduce their cash flow for player investment
[quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....[/p][/quote]It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !![/p][/quote]So at the moment year on year, how much do you think we are paying? This is like an interest only mortgage with no interest. If TB was not blue blooded i would be far more concerned but with him at the helm we have the ability to move forward cost free.....The Arsenal analogy doesn't work since they have real interest payments which reduce their cash flow for player investment TheWerewolf
  • Score: -2

1:19pm Thu 7 Aug 14

TheWerewolf says...

pte wrote:
elljam wrote:
TheWerewolf wrote:
elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....
It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !!
So TB repays himself? TB owns the club and any loans so theres no need to repay any loan not until the club is sold and then the sale proceeds are used to pay off any loans

Actually, the club don't owe a penny for the stadium because they don't own the stadium! The stadium is owned by a separate company that TB no doubt owns and controls or by a consortium he is involved in.

It's hard for people to comprehend but the stadium building costs are really not a drain on the club finances. The only reason for the penny pinching is FFP
Thank you....Glad we have people who understand how this works....we need to spread the word....Personally i think even without FFP TB would not inject millions...he wants a sustainable business rather than a Billionaires toy.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....[/p][/quote]It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !![/p][/quote]So TB repays himself? TB owns the club and any loans so theres no need to repay any loan not until the club is sold and then the sale proceeds are used to pay off any loans Actually, the club don't owe a penny for the stadium because they don't own the stadium! The stadium is owned by a separate company that TB no doubt owns and controls or by a consortium he is involved in. It's hard for people to comprehend but the stadium building costs are really not a drain on the club finances. The only reason for the penny pinching is FFP[/p][/quote]Thank you....Glad we have people who understand how this works....we need to spread the word....Personally i think even without FFP TB would not inject millions...he wants a sustainable business rather than a Billionaires toy. TheWerewolf
  • Score: -2

1:35pm Thu 7 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Bloom, and more importantly Hyypia, have both said that we could have signed four additional players by now, but we chose not to. Hyypia has also said that it's not just a numbers game, we only want the players that will improve the squad. Well given that the season kicks off saturday I can't help but think that our targets are linked, one way or another, with the prem. If this is right, one can assume that prelim talks have taken place, why else would we pass up on some of those we could have got, or if not exactly pass up, we didn't go all out to get, (Baldock - Ward).

Bloom says that by the end of the month we will have a stronger squad. With the prem matches not starting for a couple of weeks yet, and by the time they do most prem clubs will have decided who is going out, sale or loan, his promise would fit that time line.

Bloom may gamble but I don't think Hyypia would. We have flirted with one or two deals but we haven't, IMHO, really tested the resolve of other clubs. If Hyypia is waiting then surely he has to have a good feeling that waiting is the right thing to do, and that something is in the pipe line.
Players such as Lingard and Ibe could be two perfect examples of who we could be waiting on. Loan deal talks for both of these could have already taken place, subject to how their tours worked out and other dealings by their clubs.
Bloom, and more importantly Hyypia, have both said that we could have signed four additional players by now, but we chose not to. Hyypia has also said that it's not just a numbers game, we only want the players that will improve the squad. Well given that the season kicks off saturday I can't help but think that our targets are linked, one way or another, with the prem. If this is right, one can assume that prelim talks have taken place, why else would we pass up on some of those we could have got, or if not exactly pass up, we didn't go all out to get, (Baldock - Ward). Bloom says that by the end of the month we will have a stronger squad. With the prem matches not starting for a couple of weeks yet, and by the time they do most prem clubs will have decided who is going out, sale or loan, his promise would fit that time line. Bloom may gamble but I don't think Hyypia would. We have flirted with one or two deals but we haven't, IMHO, really tested the resolve of other clubs. If Hyypia is waiting then surely he has to have a good feeling that waiting is the right thing to do, and that something is in the pipe line. Players such as Lingard and Ibe could be two perfect examples of who we could be waiting on. Loan deal talks for both of these could have already taken place, subject to how their tours worked out and other dealings by their clubs. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

1:39pm Thu 7 Aug 14

tug509 says...

TheWerewolf wrote:
pte wrote:
elljam wrote:
TheWerewolf wrote:
elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....
It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !!
So TB repays himself? TB owns the club and any loans so theres no need to repay any loan not until the club is sold and then the sale proceeds are used to pay off any loans

Actually, the club don't owe a penny for the stadium because they don't own the stadium! The stadium is owned by a separate company that TB no doubt owns and controls or by a consortium he is involved in.

It's hard for people to comprehend but the stadium building costs are really not a drain on the club finances. The only reason for the penny pinching is FFP
Thank you....Glad we have people who understand how this works....we need to spread the word....Personally i think even without FFP TB would not inject millions...he wants a sustainable business rather than a Billionaires toy.
Perhaps you can explain it to me then ,because I am having trouble seeing that Forest after all their spending believe they are within ffp ,unyet the team best supported for two years on the trot and who has sold players and spent virtually none is in a position where we cant buy players in to compete . I assume ffp is the same for all teams (that was rhetorical ) so how come I`m currently looking at Brentford just signed Tommy Smith and Sheff Wed Stevie May and Blackpool have also signed yet another earlier today .EVERYONE else seems to manage but us ,or has this tiny FACT slipped by so many on here .
[quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....[/p][/quote]It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !![/p][/quote]So TB repays himself? TB owns the club and any loans so theres no need to repay any loan not until the club is sold and then the sale proceeds are used to pay off any loans Actually, the club don't owe a penny for the stadium because they don't own the stadium! The stadium is owned by a separate company that TB no doubt owns and controls or by a consortium he is involved in. It's hard for people to comprehend but the stadium building costs are really not a drain on the club finances. The only reason for the penny pinching is FFP[/p][/quote]Thank you....Glad we have people who understand how this works....we need to spread the word....Personally i think even without FFP TB would not inject millions...he wants a sustainable business rather than a Billionaires toy.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you can explain it to me then ,because I am having trouble seeing that Forest after all their spending believe they are within ffp ,unyet the team best supported for two years on the trot and who has sold players and spent virtually none is in a position where we cant buy players in to compete . I assume ffp is the same for all teams (that was rhetorical ) so how come I`m currently looking at Brentford just signed Tommy Smith and Sheff Wed Stevie May and Blackpool have also signed yet another earlier today .EVERYONE else seems to manage but us ,or has this tiny FACT slipped by so many on here . tug509
  • Score: 0

1:50pm Thu 7 Aug 14

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Bloom, and more importantly Hyypia, have both said that we could have signed four additional players by now, but we chose not to. Hyypia has also said that it's not just a numbers game, we only want the players that will improve the squad. Well given that the season kicks off saturday I can't help but think that our targets are linked, one way or another, with the prem. If this is right, one can assume that prelim talks have taken place, why else would we pass up on some of those we could have got, or if not exactly pass up, we didn't go all out to get, (Baldock - Ward).

Bloom says that by the end of the month we will have a stronger squad. With the prem matches not starting for a couple of weeks yet, and by the time they do most prem clubs will have decided who is going out, sale or loan, his promise would fit that time line.

Bloom may gamble but I don't think Hyypia would. We have flirted with one or two deals but we haven't, IMHO, really tested the resolve of other clubs. If Hyypia is waiting then surely he has to have a good feeling that waiting is the right thing to do, and that something is in the pipe line.
Players such as Lingard and Ibe could be two perfect examples of who we could be waiting on. Loan deal talks for both of these could have already taken place, subject to how their tours worked out and other dealings by their clubs.
Hi Vegas ,
I love your optimism mate and you are probably right ,but if your not and these supposed deals don't fruit ,it will be closed window and a relegation fight as any hope for top 6 will be gone . I have boasted that Brighton & Hove Albion are the gutsiest team in England a thousand times since 97 ,and I stand by that ,but we are up against 23 good sides this season not Hereford Utd .It`s gonna take more than blind faith ,if that was all it took we would win the Prem every year . We might sign 4 or 5 world beaters by end of August ,but in honesty do you see that happening with recent showings .
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Bloom, and more importantly Hyypia, have both said that we could have signed four additional players by now, but we chose not to. Hyypia has also said that it's not just a numbers game, we only want the players that will improve the squad. Well given that the season kicks off saturday I can't help but think that our targets are linked, one way or another, with the prem. If this is right, one can assume that prelim talks have taken place, why else would we pass up on some of those we could have got, or if not exactly pass up, we didn't go all out to get, (Baldock - Ward). Bloom says that by the end of the month we will have a stronger squad. With the prem matches not starting for a couple of weeks yet, and by the time they do most prem clubs will have decided who is going out, sale or loan, his promise would fit that time line. Bloom may gamble but I don't think Hyypia would. We have flirted with one or two deals but we haven't, IMHO, really tested the resolve of other clubs. If Hyypia is waiting then surely he has to have a good feeling that waiting is the right thing to do, and that something is in the pipe line. Players such as Lingard and Ibe could be two perfect examples of who we could be waiting on. Loan deal talks for both of these could have already taken place, subject to how their tours worked out and other dealings by their clubs.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas , I love your optimism mate and you are probably right ,but if your not and these supposed deals don't fruit ,it will be closed window and a relegation fight as any hope for top 6 will be gone . I have boasted that Brighton & Hove Albion are the gutsiest team in England a thousand times since 97 ,and I stand by that ,but we are up against 23 good sides this season not Hereford Utd .It`s gonna take more than blind faith ,if that was all it took we would win the Prem every year . We might sign 4 or 5 world beaters by end of August ,but in honesty do you see that happening with recent showings . tug509
  • Score: 3

1:56pm Thu 7 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
TheWerewolf wrote:
pte wrote:
elljam wrote:
TheWerewolf wrote:
elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....
It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !!
So TB repays himself? TB owns the club and any loans so theres no need to repay any loan not until the club is sold and then the sale proceeds are used to pay off any loans

Actually, the club don't owe a penny for the stadium because they don't own the stadium! The stadium is owned by a separate company that TB no doubt owns and controls or by a consortium he is involved in.

It's hard for people to comprehend but the stadium building costs are really not a drain on the club finances. The only reason for the penny pinching is FFP
Thank you....Glad we have people who understand how this works....we need to spread the word....Personally i think even without FFP TB would not inject millions...he wants a sustainable business rather than a Billionaires toy.
Perhaps you can explain it to me then ,because I am having trouble seeing that Forest after all their spending believe they are within ffp ,unyet the team best supported for two years on the trot and who has sold players and spent virtually none is in a position where we cant buy players in to compete . I assume ffp is the same for all teams (that was rhetorical ) so how come I`m currently looking at Brentford just signed Tommy Smith and Sheff Wed Stevie May and Blackpool have also signed yet another earlier today .EVERYONE else seems to manage but us ,or has this tiny FACT slipped by so many on here .
Hi Tug.
I don't think it's a case of, 'Brighton won't spend,' to me it's more a case of, 'we haven't spend yet.' Clubs have their targets, players they feel will meet their needs, and I am sure we do too, the difference being, those that other clubs have bought did not meet the needs as identified by Hyypia. Players will pop up, such as Clayton, that we have an interest in simply because they are available, but how strong is that interest. 2.5M cash probabaly would have got Clayton, he went for 1.5 rising to 2M, we didn't do that. He wasn't a target, even tho we have shown previous interest, what he was was a player we would have taken, maybe, if the price was right.

I refer you to my previous comment regarding the prem and possible signings.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....[/p][/quote]It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !![/p][/quote]So TB repays himself? TB owns the club and any loans so theres no need to repay any loan not until the club is sold and then the sale proceeds are used to pay off any loans Actually, the club don't owe a penny for the stadium because they don't own the stadium! The stadium is owned by a separate company that TB no doubt owns and controls or by a consortium he is involved in. It's hard for people to comprehend but the stadium building costs are really not a drain on the club finances. The only reason for the penny pinching is FFP[/p][/quote]Thank you....Glad we have people who understand how this works....we need to spread the word....Personally i think even without FFP TB would not inject millions...he wants a sustainable business rather than a Billionaires toy.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you can explain it to me then ,because I am having trouble seeing that Forest after all their spending believe they are within ffp ,unyet the team best supported for two years on the trot and who has sold players and spent virtually none is in a position where we cant buy players in to compete . I assume ffp is the same for all teams (that was rhetorical ) so how come I`m currently looking at Brentford just signed Tommy Smith and Sheff Wed Stevie May and Blackpool have also signed yet another earlier today .EVERYONE else seems to manage but us ,or has this tiny FACT slipped by so many on here .[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. I don't think it's a case of, 'Brighton won't spend,' to me it's more a case of, 'we haven't spend yet.' Clubs have their targets, players they feel will meet their needs, and I am sure we do too, the difference being, those that other clubs have bought did not meet the needs as identified by Hyypia. Players will pop up, such as Clayton, that we have an interest in simply because they are available, but how strong is that interest. 2.5M cash probabaly would have got Clayton, he went for 1.5 rising to 2M, we didn't do that. He wasn't a target, even tho we have shown previous interest, what he was was a player we would have taken, maybe, if the price was right. I refer you to my previous comment regarding the prem and possible signings. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

1:58pm Thu 7 Aug 14

ringtone says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Don't do friendlies generally so Saturday is my first look at Sami's blue and white army.
I have an open mind and will give it 100% support.
Let's all create a great atmosphere and cheer the Albion to 3 points especially those in the East stand, many of whom just tend to sit there and not move a muscle for most of the game. UTA
It's up to the players to entertain the fans, not vice versa.

And we want to see more than just plain honest toil.

If i want to watch hard work i will go to a building site and save myself fifty notes.
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Don't do friendlies generally so Saturday is my first look at Sami's blue and white army. I have an open mind and will give it 100% support. Let's all create a great atmosphere and cheer the Albion to 3 points especially those in the East stand, many of whom just tend to sit there and not move a muscle for most of the game. UTA[/p][/quote]It's up to the players to entertain the fans, not vice versa. And we want to see more than just plain honest toil. If i want to watch hard work i will go to a building site and save myself fifty notes. ringtone
  • Score: 1

2:02pm Thu 7 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Bloom, and more importantly Hyypia, have both said that we could have signed four additional players by now, but we chose not to. Hyypia has also said that it's not just a numbers game, we only want the players that will improve the squad. Well given that the season kicks off saturday I can't help but think that our targets are linked, one way or another, with the prem. If this is right, one can assume that prelim talks have taken place, why else would we pass up on some of those we could have got, or if not exactly pass up, we didn't go all out to get, (Baldock - Ward).

Bloom says that by the end of the month we will have a stronger squad. With the prem matches not starting for a couple of weeks yet, and by the time they do most prem clubs will have decided who is going out, sale or loan, his promise would fit that time line.

Bloom may gamble but I don't think Hyypia would. We have flirted with one or two deals but we haven't, IMHO, really tested the resolve of other clubs. If Hyypia is waiting then surely he has to have a good feeling that waiting is the right thing to do, and that something is in the pipe line.
Players such as Lingard and Ibe could be two perfect examples of who we could be waiting on. Loan deal talks for both of these could have already taken place, subject to how their tours worked out and other dealings by their clubs.
Hi Vegas ,
I love your optimism mate and you are probably right ,but if your not and these supposed deals don't fruit ,it will be closed window and a relegation fight as any hope for top 6 will be gone . I have boasted that Brighton & Hove Albion are the gutsiest team in England a thousand times since 97 ,and I stand by that ,but we are up against 23 good sides this season not Hereford Utd .It`s gonna take more than blind faith ,if that was all it took we would win the Prem every year . We might sign 4 or 5 world beaters by end of August ,but in honesty do you see that happening with recent showings .
4 or 5, 'world beaters,' no Tug I don't see that happening, but maybe 4 Champ Div beaters is something else. Players are coming Tug. We can look at our situation as one where it's good that we have past up, on one or two, that would on the face of it have been good signings, if that means that better players are coming. Optimist, yep, guilty as charged :-))
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Bloom, and more importantly Hyypia, have both said that we could have signed four additional players by now, but we chose not to. Hyypia has also said that it's not just a numbers game, we only want the players that will improve the squad. Well given that the season kicks off saturday I can't help but think that our targets are linked, one way or another, with the prem. If this is right, one can assume that prelim talks have taken place, why else would we pass up on some of those we could have got, or if not exactly pass up, we didn't go all out to get, (Baldock - Ward). Bloom says that by the end of the month we will have a stronger squad. With the prem matches not starting for a couple of weeks yet, and by the time they do most prem clubs will have decided who is going out, sale or loan, his promise would fit that time line. Bloom may gamble but I don't think Hyypia would. We have flirted with one or two deals but we haven't, IMHO, really tested the resolve of other clubs. If Hyypia is waiting then surely he has to have a good feeling that waiting is the right thing to do, and that something is in the pipe line. Players such as Lingard and Ibe could be two perfect examples of who we could be waiting on. Loan deal talks for both of these could have already taken place, subject to how their tours worked out and other dealings by their clubs.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas , I love your optimism mate and you are probably right ,but if your not and these supposed deals don't fruit ,it will be closed window and a relegation fight as any hope for top 6 will be gone . I have boasted that Brighton & Hove Albion are the gutsiest team in England a thousand times since 97 ,and I stand by that ,but we are up against 23 good sides this season not Hereford Utd .It`s gonna take more than blind faith ,if that was all it took we would win the Prem every year . We might sign 4 or 5 world beaters by end of August ,but in honesty do you see that happening with recent showings .[/p][/quote]4 or 5, 'world beaters,' no Tug I don't see that happening, but maybe 4 Champ Div beaters is something else. Players are coming Tug. We can look at our situation as one where it's good that we have past up, on one or two, that would on the face of it have been good signings, if that means that better players are coming. Optimist, yep, guilty as charged :-)) VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

2:07pm Thu 7 Aug 14

ringtone says...

tug509 wrote:
TheWerewolf wrote:
pte wrote:
elljam wrote:
TheWerewolf wrote:
elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....
It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !!
So TB repays himself? TB owns the club and any loans so theres no need to repay any loan not until the club is sold and then the sale proceeds are used to pay off any loans

Actually, the club don't owe a penny for the stadium because they don't own the stadium! The stadium is owned by a separate company that TB no doubt owns and controls or by a consortium he is involved in.

It's hard for people to comprehend but the stadium building costs are really not a drain on the club finances. The only reason for the penny pinching is FFP
Thank you....Glad we have people who understand how this works....we need to spread the word....Personally i think even without FFP TB would not inject millions...he wants a sustainable business rather than a Billionaires toy.
Perhaps you can explain it to me then ,because I am having trouble seeing that Forest after all their spending believe they are within ffp ,unyet the team best supported for two years on the trot and who has sold players and spent virtually none is in a position where we cant buy players in to compete . I assume ffp is the same for all teams (that was rhetorical ) so how come I`m currently looking at Brentford just signed Tommy Smith and Sheff Wed Stevie May and Blackpool have also signed yet another earlier today .EVERYONE else seems to manage but us ,or has this tiny FACT slipped by so many on here .
Maybe its what another poster mentioned earlier today.

Repayments for the new stadium.

I believe Bloom only loaned the money or is it a gift?

UTA, burke out.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....[/p][/quote]It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !![/p][/quote]So TB repays himself? TB owns the club and any loans so theres no need to repay any loan not until the club is sold and then the sale proceeds are used to pay off any loans Actually, the club don't owe a penny for the stadium because they don't own the stadium! The stadium is owned by a separate company that TB no doubt owns and controls or by a consortium he is involved in. It's hard for people to comprehend but the stadium building costs are really not a drain on the club finances. The only reason for the penny pinching is FFP[/p][/quote]Thank you....Glad we have people who understand how this works....we need to spread the word....Personally i think even without FFP TB would not inject millions...he wants a sustainable business rather than a Billionaires toy.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you can explain it to me then ,because I am having trouble seeing that Forest after all their spending believe they are within ffp ,unyet the team best supported for two years on the trot and who has sold players and spent virtually none is in a position where we cant buy players in to compete . I assume ffp is the same for all teams (that was rhetorical ) so how come I`m currently looking at Brentford just signed Tommy Smith and Sheff Wed Stevie May and Blackpool have also signed yet another earlier today .EVERYONE else seems to manage but us ,or has this tiny FACT slipped by so many on here .[/p][/quote]Maybe its what another poster mentioned earlier today. Repayments for the new stadium. I believe Bloom only loaned the money or is it a gift? UTA, burke out. ringtone
  • Score: 0

2:42pm Thu 7 Aug 14

tug509 says...

tug509 wrote:
TheWerewolf wrote:
pte wrote:
elljam wrote:
TheWerewolf wrote:
elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....
It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !!
So TB repays himself? TB owns the club and any loans so theres no need to repay any loan not until the club is sold and then the sale proceeds are used to pay off any loans

Actually, the club don't owe a penny for the stadium because they don't own the stadium! The stadium is owned by a separate company that TB no doubt owns and controls or by a consortium he is involved in.

It's hard for people to comprehend but the stadium building costs are really not a drain on the club finances. The only reason for the penny pinching is FFP
Thank you....Glad we have people who understand how this works....we need to spread the word....Personally i think even without FFP TB would not inject millions...he wants a sustainable business rather than a Billionaires toy.
Perhaps you can explain it to me then ,because I am having trouble seeing that Forest after all their spending believe they are within ffp ,unyet the team best supported for two years on the trot and who has sold players and spent virtually none is in a position where we cant buy players in to compete . I assume ffp is the same for all teams (that was rhetorical ) so how come I`m currently looking at Brentford just signed Tommy Smith and Sheff Wed Stevie May and Blackpool have also signed yet another earlier today .EVERYONE else seems to manage but us ,or has this tiny FACT slipped by so many on here .
So that's a NO ?
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....[/p][/quote]It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !![/p][/quote]So TB repays himself? TB owns the club and any loans so theres no need to repay any loan not until the club is sold and then the sale proceeds are used to pay off any loans Actually, the club don't owe a penny for the stadium because they don't own the stadium! The stadium is owned by a separate company that TB no doubt owns and controls or by a consortium he is involved in. It's hard for people to comprehend but the stadium building costs are really not a drain on the club finances. The only reason for the penny pinching is FFP[/p][/quote]Thank you....Glad we have people who understand how this works....we need to spread the word....Personally i think even without FFP TB would not inject millions...he wants a sustainable business rather than a Billionaires toy.[/p][/quote]Perhaps you can explain it to me then ,because I am having trouble seeing that Forest after all their spending believe they are within ffp ,unyet the team best supported for two years on the trot and who has sold players and spent virtually none is in a position where we cant buy players in to compete . I assume ffp is the same for all teams (that was rhetorical ) so how come I`m currently looking at Brentford just signed Tommy Smith and Sheff Wed Stevie May and Blackpool have also signed yet another earlier today .EVERYONE else seems to manage but us ,or has this tiny FACT slipped by so many on here .[/p][/quote]So that's a NO ? tug509
  • Score: 1

2:47pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Matthews1986 says...

Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Don't do friendlies generally so Saturday is my first look at Sami's blue and white army.
I have an open mind and will give it 100% support.
Let's all create a great atmosphere and cheer the Albion to 3 points especially those in the East stand, many of whom just tend to sit there and not move a muscle for most of the game. UTA
What a **** thing to wright it's for family's in east stand **** you know some where they can have kids with out **** like you f ing and blinding
[quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Don't do friendlies generally so Saturday is my first look at Sami's blue and white army. I have an open mind and will give it 100% support. Let's all create a great atmosphere and cheer the Albion to 3 points especially those in the East stand, many of whom just tend to sit there and not move a muscle for most of the game. UTA[/p][/quote]What a **** thing to wright it's for family's in east stand **** you know some where they can have kids with out **** like you f ing and blinding Matthews1986
  • Score: -6

2:54pm Thu 7 Aug 14

tug509 says...

tug509 wrote:
From what I heard from Bloom and Barber on the forum ,if they said it was raining I would look out a window to check ,I wont trust anyone who has lied through their teeth and made the use of excuses a daily habit .
Every single one of us has some small and basic understanding of how the club is run ,and we heavily rely on those who we trust at the club to ,at least try to keep us ,as supporters/customers in the loop within reason .What I heard on that farce of a forum was a totally dismissive attitude ,a you wouldn`t understand brush off .
Well ,we understand when we are being taken for a ride Mr Bloom ,and whilst I have never had a bad word for you until the forum ,I can think of one or two quite easily now ,and BS is at the top of the list .
I can only speak for myself ,but I would rather be given a ream of truthful bad news ,than be lied to and expected to suck it up without a murmur ,and to be given false hope and PROMISES ,so easily and brazenly broken .
There are lots of views on here ,but one unescapable fact is that we have been lied to on several occasions recently ,I love my club and expected my loyalty to be worth more than that , apparently it`s not .
OK 7 down I`ve no problem if it was 70 ,but the content was accurate ,so I have to assume it`s me ,I promise I did shower this morning .
All I can say is this is the impression given ,no answers ,no insight ,and no signings ,we were PROMISED a competitive budget ,all these things COULD have been addressed at the forum without giving details or risk to possible deals ,NONE were .
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: From what I heard from Bloom and Barber on the forum ,if they said it was raining I would look out a window to check ,I wont trust anyone who has lied through their teeth and made the use of excuses a daily habit . Every single one of us has some small and basic understanding of how the club is run ,and we heavily rely on those who we trust at the club to ,at least try to keep us ,as supporters/customers in the loop within reason .What I heard on that farce of a forum was a totally dismissive attitude ,a you wouldn`t understand brush off . Well ,we understand when we are being taken for a ride Mr Bloom ,and whilst I have never had a bad word for you until the forum ,I can think of one or two quite easily now ,and BS is at the top of the list . I can only speak for myself ,but I would rather be given a ream of truthful bad news ,than be lied to and expected to suck it up without a murmur ,and to be given false hope and PROMISES ,so easily and brazenly broken . There are lots of views on here ,but one unescapable fact is that we have been lied to on several occasions recently ,I love my club and expected my loyalty to be worth more than that , apparently it`s not .[/p][/quote]OK 7 down I`ve no problem if it was 70 ,but the content was accurate ,so I have to assume it`s me ,I promise I did shower this morning . All I can say is this is the impression given ,no answers ,no insight ,and no signings ,we were PROMISED a competitive budget ,all these things COULD have been addressed at the forum without giving details or risk to possible deals ,NONE were . tug509
  • Score: 3

3:01pm Thu 7 Aug 14

the herbster says...

our dealings on deadline day doesnt really fill me with confidence thats my concern
our dealings on deadline day doesnt really fill me with confidence thats my concern the herbster
  • Score: -1

3:03pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Jules boy wrote:
Billy Sharp anyone? Linked on Sky Sports
Ok striker but is he the spearhead for a promotion push? No.
[quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: Billy Sharp anyone? Linked on Sky Sports[/p][/quote]Ok striker but is he the spearhead for a promotion push? No. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: 4

3:43pm Thu 7 Aug 14

pte says...

TheWerewolf wrote:
pte wrote:
elljam wrote:
TheWerewolf wrote:
elljam wrote:
It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad.
The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers.
It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed.
Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.
When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....
It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !!
So TB repays himself? TB owns the club and any loans so theres no need to repay any loan not until the club is sold and then the sale proceeds are used to pay off any loans

Actually, the club don't owe a penny for the stadium because they don't own the stadium! The stadium is owned by a separate company that TB no doubt owns and controls or by a consortium he is involved in.

It's hard for people to comprehend but the stadium building costs are really not a drain on the club finances. The only reason for the penny pinching is FFP
Thank you....Glad we have people who understand how this works....we need to spread the word....Personally i think even without FFP TB would not inject millions...he wants a sustainable business rather than a Billionaires toy.
TB made a big deal out of the fact that he was supplying interest free loan like he was Mr Generous and fans were duly impressed. But since he owns the club it didn't matter whether he paid/charged himself interest or not!!! I hope this merry go round is not making people giddy

Its all about moving assets from one legal entity such as a limited company to another for tax advantage and protection from creditors should things go wrong.

Although he doesn't charge the club (which he owns) interest that means it makes more profit for him! So its swings and roundabouts. As I believe the stadium is owned by another company he is involved in, though he may not charge any interest for short term loans he can still charge the club rent for the stadium. But as he controls and finances the whole shooting match there's nothing wrong in that.

The only time it would have significance is if he had to sell the club but still retained control over the stadium. But I wouldnt worry about that.

Before FFP TB did push the boat out on players so I think its purely about FFP and not him being a tightwad. The club simply has no choice. OK they are making mistakes like letting go of Barnes and missing out on players but mistakes are inevitable in the short term as they rush to cut costs. But in a years time they will reap the reward when clubs are hit with sanctions and cant renew contracts on valuable players. Then there will be Bosmans aplenty to pick which will make up for all the players they missed out on previously
[quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]elljam[/bold] wrote: It seems that we are in a similar position that Arsenal were in until recently. The fact is we are still paying for a new stadium & therefore, despite having the biggest average home attendance in the division & getting decent money for some of our players, not all of this income will be available to spend on the squad. The club won't say this publicly because it will possibly deter supporters from coming, knowing that we are not in the market for top-end Championship performers. It was only after Arsenal finished paying for the Emirates Stadium that Arsene Wenger confirmed his hands had been tied during that period & that they had to sell a top player each season (Fabregas, Henry, Van Persie etc) without replacing them to balance the books. During the repayment period Arsenal always maintained the money was available for top players, which was obviously just a line because it is only now the Ozils & Sanchezes are being signed. Therefore I think we may have to sit & suffer a little bit while the repayments are made before we start getting the marquee signings the fans crave.[/p][/quote]When you say 'we are still paying for the stadium' what do you mean? This was funded with an interest free loan by TB. I do agree that we are trying to set up the club in the correct way and of all the prem clubs Arsenal lead the way....[/p][/quote]It might be interest free but it's still a LOAN & they need to be repaid !![/p][/quote]So TB repays himself? TB owns the club and any loans so theres no need to repay any loan not until the club is sold and then the sale proceeds are used to pay off any loans Actually, the club don't owe a penny for the stadium because they don't own the stadium! The stadium is owned by a separate company that TB no doubt owns and controls or by a consortium he is involved in. It's hard for people to comprehend but the stadium building costs are really not a drain on the club finances. The only reason for the penny pinching is FFP[/p][/quote]Thank you....Glad we have people who understand how this works....we need to spread the word....Personally i think even without FFP TB would not inject millions...he wants a sustainable business rather than a Billionaires toy.[/p][/quote]TB made a big deal out of the fact that he was supplying interest free loan like he was Mr Generous and fans were duly impressed. But since he owns the club it didn't matter whether he paid/charged himself interest or not!!! I hope this merry go round is not making people giddy Its all about moving assets from one legal entity such as a limited company to another for tax advantage and protection from creditors should things go wrong. Although he doesn't charge the club (which he owns) interest that means it makes more profit for him! So its swings and roundabouts. As I believe the stadium is owned by another company he is involved in, though he may not charge any interest for short term loans he can still charge the club rent for the stadium. But as he controls and finances the whole shooting match there's nothing wrong in that. The only time it would have significance is if he had to sell the club but still retained control over the stadium. But I wouldnt worry about that. Before FFP TB did push the boat out on players so I think its purely about FFP and not him being a tightwad. The club simply has no choice. OK they are making mistakes like letting go of Barnes and missing out on players but mistakes are inevitable in the short term as they rush to cut costs. But in a years time they will reap the reward when clubs are hit with sanctions and cant renew contracts on valuable players. Then there will be Bosmans aplenty to pick which will make up for all the players they missed out on previously pte
  • Score: 1

3:58pm Thu 7 Aug 14

arc12 says...

If we went for Sharp now I'd be very disappointed as TB said they don't want average players, and like some have suggested it may well be that the new faces who come in will be loans from the cast offs from Premiership clubs. If they really did see Sharp as a player they wanted why wouldn't they have moved for him 2 months ago? Would smack of a desperation signing IMO if he came in now.
If we went for Sharp now I'd be very disappointed as TB said they don't want average players, and like some have suggested it may well be that the new faces who come in will be loans from the cast offs from Premiership clubs. If they really did see Sharp as a player they wanted why wouldn't they have moved for him 2 months ago? Would smack of a desperation signing IMO if he came in now. arc12
  • Score: 10

5:33pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

This is boring...!!! Why am I, self proclaimed President of the Yug Appreciation Society, the only one to share his views and give him thumbs up... His views are rational, logical and well written (excluding the occasional typo!) so it is beyond my comprehension why he attracts so many downward facing thumbs - but of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion - even those without a rational, logical thjought in their entire bodies.

I hope for the sake of the many on this site who appear to have unquestioning blind faith that they are not disappointed come October. I shall just cross fingers and hope, despite all the indications, that something really does show up soon - and I don't mean Billy Sharp (please!). UTA
This is boring...!!! Why am I, self proclaimed President of the Yug Appreciation Society, the only one to share his views and give him thumbs up... His views are rational, logical and well written (excluding the occasional typo!) so it is beyond my comprehension why he attracts so many downward facing thumbs - but of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion - even those without a rational, logical thjought in their entire bodies. I hope for the sake of the many on this site who appear to have unquestioning blind faith that they are not disappointed come October. I shall just cross fingers and hope, despite all the indications, that something really does show up soon - and I don't mean Billy Sharp (please!). UTA Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 2

5:35pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Jonathan Mouette says...

Sorry Tug, that should have been Tug, not Yug (bloody funny though!!!).
Sorry Tug, that should have been Tug, not Yug (bloody funny though!!!). Jonathan Mouette
  • Score: 2

6:00pm Thu 7 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
This is boring...!!! Why am I, self proclaimed President of the Yug Appreciation Society, the only one to share his views and give him thumbs up... His views are rational, logical and well written (excluding the occasional typo!) so it is beyond my comprehension why he attracts so many downward facing thumbs - but of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion - even those without a rational, logical thjought in their entire bodies.

I hope for the sake of the many on this site who appear to have unquestioning blind faith that they are not disappointed come October. I shall just cross fingers and hope, despite all the indications, that something really does show up soon - and I don't mean Billy Sharp (please!). UTA
I agree with most of what Tug says, but not all. What I love about him is his passion for his club. Tug wears his heart on his sleeve and long may it last.
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: This is boring...!!! Why am I, self proclaimed President of the Yug Appreciation Society, the only one to share his views and give him thumbs up... His views are rational, logical and well written (excluding the occasional typo!) so it is beyond my comprehension why he attracts so many downward facing thumbs - but of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion - even those without a rational, logical thjought in their entire bodies. I hope for the sake of the many on this site who appear to have unquestioning blind faith that they are not disappointed come October. I shall just cross fingers and hope, despite all the indications, that something really does show up soon - and I don't mean Billy Sharp (please!). UTA[/p][/quote]I agree with most of what Tug says, but not all. What I love about him is his passion for his club. Tug wears his heart on his sleeve and long may it last. dave from bexill
  • Score: 3

6:29pm Thu 7 Aug 14

daughter-of-manag says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Sorry Tug, that should have been Tug, not Yug (bloody funny though!!!).
I like Yug's posts - they have that caveman feel; who really cares about thumbs up or down Jonathan? Long may Tug post what he feels - it makes for a more interesting and entertaining read and discussion.

What I can't cope with is the monotonous posts about FFP. Ugh!

If BHA has to have a DoF (as per the forum), then can we have a new one please?
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Sorry Tug, that should have been Tug, not Yug (bloody funny though!!!).[/p][/quote]I like Yug's posts - they have that caveman feel; who really cares about thumbs up or down Jonathan? Long may Tug post what he feels - it makes for a more interesting and entertaining read and discussion. What I can't cope with is the monotonous posts about FFP. Ugh! If BHA has to have a DoF (as per the forum), then can we have a new one please? daughter-of-manag
  • Score: -1

7:52pm Thu 7 Aug 14

ringtone says...

I dont like the blue club badge against the red and black stripes of the new away kit, blue and red what a ghastly combination.

What sort a football club would ever entertain the idea.
I dont like the blue club badge against the red and black stripes of the new away kit, blue and red what a ghastly combination. What sort a football club would ever entertain the idea. ringtone
  • Score: 2

7:59pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Claude Back says...

tug509 wrote:
From what I heard from Bloom and Barber on the forum ,if they said it was raining I would look out a window to check ,I wont trust anyone who has lied through their teeth and made the use of excuses a daily habit .
Every single one of us has some small and basic understanding of how the club is run ,and we heavily rely on those who we trust at the club to ,at least try to keep us ,as supporters/customers in the loop within reason .What I heard on that farce of a forum was a totally dismissive attitude ,a you wouldn`t understand brush off .
Well ,we understand when we are being taken for a ride Mr Bloom ,and whilst I have never had a bad word for you until the forum ,I can think of one or two quite easily now ,and BS is at the top of the list .
I can only speak for myself ,but I would rather be given a ream of truthful bad news ,than be lied to and expected to suck it up without a murmur ,and to be given false hope and PROMISES ,so easily and brazenly broken .
There are lots of views on here ,but one unescapable fact is that we have been lied to on several occasions recently ,I love my club and expected my loyalty to be worth more than that , apparently it`s not .
I do enjoy your posts, Tug. So passionate and expressive.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: From what I heard from Bloom and Barber on the forum ,if they said it was raining I would look out a window to check ,I wont trust anyone who has lied through their teeth and made the use of excuses a daily habit . Every single one of us has some small and basic understanding of how the club is run ,and we heavily rely on those who we trust at the club to ,at least try to keep us ,as supporters/customers in the loop within reason .What I heard on that farce of a forum was a totally dismissive attitude ,a you wouldn`t understand brush off . Well ,we understand when we are being taken for a ride Mr Bloom ,and whilst I have never had a bad word for you until the forum ,I can think of one or two quite easily now ,and BS is at the top of the list . I can only speak for myself ,but I would rather be given a ream of truthful bad news ,than be lied to and expected to suck it up without a murmur ,and to be given false hope and PROMISES ,so easily and brazenly broken . There are lots of views on here ,but one unescapable fact is that we have been lied to on several occasions recently ,I love my club and expected my loyalty to be worth more than that , apparently it`s not .[/p][/quote]I do enjoy your posts, Tug. So passionate and expressive. Claude Back
  • Score: 2

8:00pm Thu 7 Aug 14

London Dave says...

ringtone wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Don't do friendlies generally so Saturday is my first look at Sami's blue and white army.
I have an open mind and will give it 100% support.
Let's all create a great atmosphere and cheer the Albion to 3 points especially those in the East stand, many of whom just tend to sit there and not move a muscle for most of the game. UTA
It's up to the players to entertain the fans, not vice versa.

And we want to see more than just plain honest toil.

If i want to watch hard work i will go to a building site and save myself fifty notes.
A fair point football wise, although I'm not sure which building sites you're going to visit in this country to see hard work...
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Don't do friendlies generally so Saturday is my first look at Sami's blue and white army. I have an open mind and will give it 100% support. Let's all create a great atmosphere and cheer the Albion to 3 points especially those in the East stand, many of whom just tend to sit there and not move a muscle for most of the game. UTA[/p][/quote]It's up to the players to entertain the fans, not vice versa. And we want to see more than just plain honest toil. If i want to watch hard work i will go to a building site and save myself fifty notes.[/p][/quote]A fair point football wise, although I'm not sure which building sites you're going to visit in this country to see hard work... London Dave
  • Score: 0

8:02pm Thu 7 Aug 14

London Dave says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Jules boy wrote:
Billy Sharp anyone? Linked on Sky Sports
Ok striker but is he the spearhead for a promotion push? No.
No he isn't. And we're not pushing for promotion either.

We've got a very financially sensible club though for what it's worth...
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jules boy[/bold] wrote: Billy Sharp anyone? Linked on Sky Sports[/p][/quote]Ok striker but is he the spearhead for a promotion push? No.[/p][/quote]No he isn't. And we're not pushing for promotion either. We've got a very financially sensible club though for what it's worth... London Dave
  • Score: -3

8:12pm Thu 7 Aug 14

gordongull says...

London Dave wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Joel'sGrandad wrote:
Don't do friendlies generally so Saturday is my first look at Sami's blue and white army.
I have an open mind and will give it 100% support.
Let's all create a great atmosphere and cheer the Albion to 3 points especially those in the East stand, many of whom just tend to sit there and not move a muscle for most of the game. UTA
It's up to the players to entertain the fans, not vice versa.

And we want to see more than just plain honest toil.

If i want to watch hard work i will go to a building site and save myself fifty notes.
A fair point football wise, although I'm not sure which building sites you're going to visit in this country to see hard work...
You've obviously never been on a construction site, London Dave.
[quote][p][bold]London Dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Joel'sGrandad[/bold] wrote: Don't do friendlies generally so Saturday is my first look at Sami's blue and white army. I have an open mind and will give it 100% support. Let's all create a great atmosphere and cheer the Albion to 3 points especially those in the East stand, many of whom just tend to sit there and not move a muscle for most of the game. UTA[/p][/quote]It's up to the players to entertain the fans, not vice versa. And we want to see more than just plain honest toil. If i want to watch hard work i will go to a building site and save myself fifty notes.[/p][/quote]A fair point football wise, although I'm not sure which building sites you're going to visit in this country to see hard work...[/p][/quote]You've obviously never been on a construction site, London Dave. gordongull
  • Score: 2

9:20pm Thu 7 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

Quiterie wrote:
Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more.

Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over.

AND

Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively.

This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug.

These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?
Totally agree. If none of these 3 players arrive (or even if just Ward arrives - which we all could have predicted), Andy Naylor's reputation will have been shot to pieces. I certainly won't trust anything he writes again.
I think it is worth pointing out that Naylor does not appear to have got it all wrong with regards to BHA being interested in Baldock.
Steve Cotterill Bristol's Manager has confirmed that we made an approach for Baldock. . I read this on the BBC Sports site. What he (Naylor) got wrong it seems is that we were about to sign Baldock..
If the club aren't prepared to speak to Naylor it makes his job pretty difficult with regards to covering all things Albion.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rhodes Seagull[/bold] wrote: Argud Saturday 2nd Aug Quote:- Trio expected to sign - and there could be more. Today Quote:- The Seagulls’ move for Adam Clayton last night looked to be over. AND Bristol City manager Steve Cotterill and Wolves boss Kenny Jackett have both played down the chance of Albion signing Sam Baldock and Stephen Ward respectively. This should have been printed on April 1st not 7th Aug. These players have been mentioned time and time again so is it was it a smoke screen for someone else joining or just bad second guess reorting from the Argus?[/p][/quote]Totally agree. If none of these 3 players arrive (or even if just Ward arrives - which we all could have predicted), Andy Naylor's reputation will have been shot to pieces. I certainly won't trust anything he writes again.[/p][/quote]I think it is worth pointing out that Naylor does not appear to have got it all wrong with regards to BHA being interested in Baldock. Steve Cotterill Bristol's Manager has confirmed that we made an approach for Baldock. . I read this on the BBC Sports site. What he (Naylor) got wrong it seems is that we were about to sign Baldock.. If the club aren't prepared to speak to Naylor it makes his job pretty difficult with regards to covering all things Albion. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

9:30pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

ringtone wrote:
I dont like the blue club badge against the red and black stripes of the new away kit, blue and red what a ghastly combination.

What sort a football club would ever entertain the idea.
I'm still not happy with the kit design and the stuck on sponsors logo, everywhere you look at this club there's problems.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: I dont like the blue club badge against the red and black stripes of the new away kit, blue and red what a ghastly combination. What sort a football club would ever entertain the idea.[/p][/quote]I'm still not happy with the kit design and the stuck on sponsors logo, everywhere you look at this club there's problems. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: 5

11:47pm Thu 7 Aug 14

tug509 says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
This is boring...!!! Why am I, self proclaimed President of the Yug Appreciation Society, the only one to share his views and give him thumbs up... His views are rational, logical and well written (excluding the occasional typo!) so it is beyond my comprehension why he attracts so many downward facing thumbs - but of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion - even those without a rational, logical thjought in their entire bodies.

I hope for the sake of the many on this site who appear to have unquestioning blind faith that they are not disappointed come October. I shall just cross fingers and hope, despite all the indications, that something really does show up soon - and I don't mean Billy Sharp (please!). UTA
JM ,you bute ,the trouble is these drongos believe everything they are fed ,there`s a guy I know who has a Roo that can kick a ball the length of a footy pitch ,swears he even looks like Fozzie (when he had the head band ) but doesn`t drink as much !.We can get him if we try ,but he spends a lot of time scratching his arse and that seems to make him happy ,so everyone leaves him alone ,reminds me a lot of ermm burke barber and bloom ,they do a lot of arse scratching ,but as yet no sign of anyone who can kick a ball !!!.
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: This is boring...!!! Why am I, self proclaimed President of the Yug Appreciation Society, the only one to share his views and give him thumbs up... His views are rational, logical and well written (excluding the occasional typo!) so it is beyond my comprehension why he attracts so many downward facing thumbs - but of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion - even those without a rational, logical thjought in their entire bodies. I hope for the sake of the many on this site who appear to have unquestioning blind faith that they are not disappointed come October. I shall just cross fingers and hope, despite all the indications, that something really does show up soon - and I don't mean Billy Sharp (please!). UTA[/p][/quote]JM ,you bute ,the trouble is these drongos believe everything they are fed ,there`s a guy I know who has a Roo that can kick a ball the length of a footy pitch ,swears he even looks like Fozzie (when he had the head band ) but doesn`t drink as much !.We can get him if we try ,but he spends a lot of time scratching his arse and that seems to make him happy ,so everyone leaves him alone ,reminds me a lot of ermm burke barber and bloom ,they do a lot of arse scratching ,but as yet no sign of anyone who can kick a ball !!!. tug509
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12:59am Fri 8 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Tugster - it could be that we think you may be over-reacting a touch :-) We all love your enthusiasm and loyalty, but sometimes your adherence to your pre-conceptions blinkers you. Burke and Barber are not the bad guys here. No-one is. DOFs in general aren't the problem, but the transfer game and how it is played during the close season.

We are all frustrated but have faith and hope - it makes life far less frustrating and stressful and works wonders for the fingernails :-)
Tugster - it could be that we think you may be over-reacting a touch :-) We all love your enthusiasm and loyalty, but sometimes your adherence to your pre-conceptions blinkers you. Burke and Barber are not the bad guys here. No-one is. DOFs in general aren't the problem, but the transfer game and how it is played during the close season. We are all frustrated but have faith and hope - it makes life far less frustrating and stressful and works wonders for the fingernails :-) Ex-pat Arnie
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1:15am Fri 8 Aug 14

tug509 says...

Claude Back , me old mate Vegas ,and of course my most trustiest of allies Jonathan Mouette ,thank you so much for not taking me too serious ,although I mean every word ,it`s great that some on here can have a good laugh ,I wish you all well and we shall return to the battlefield tomorrow !. UTA
ps if it wasn`t for you I would feel as welcome as a palace shirt in a Brighton raffle.
Claude Back , me old mate Vegas ,and of course my most trustiest of allies Jonathan Mouette ,thank you so much for not taking me too serious ,although I mean every word ,it`s great that some on here can have a good laugh ,I wish you all well and we shall return to the battlefield tomorrow !. UTA ps if it wasn`t for you I would feel as welcome as a palace shirt in a Brighton raffle. tug509
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1:30am Fri 8 Aug 14

tug509 says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Tugster - it could be that we think you may be over-reacting a touch :-) We all love your enthusiasm and loyalty, but sometimes your adherence to your pre-conceptions blinkers you. Burke and Barber are not the bad guys here. No-one is. DOFs in general aren't the problem, but the transfer game and how it is played during the close season.

We are all frustrated but have faith and hope - it makes life far less frustrating and stressful and works wonders for the fingernails :-)
As I have said many times before I know your right ,I am lead by my singular love for the The Albion , common sense sometimes takes a back seat to the pursuit of the Premiership ,I know we all love this Great club the same ,and we all say it in our own way , and regardless of thumbs up or down ,or a difference of opinion ,the person I see in my minds eye ,at the end of every post is wearing BLUE &WHITE and God bless them all . UTA
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: Tugster - it could be that we think you may be over-reacting a touch :-) We all love your enthusiasm and loyalty, but sometimes your adherence to your pre-conceptions blinkers you. Burke and Barber are not the bad guys here. No-one is. DOFs in general aren't the problem, but the transfer game and how it is played during the close season. We are all frustrated but have faith and hope - it makes life far less frustrating and stressful and works wonders for the fingernails :-)[/p][/quote]As I have said many times before I know your right ,I am lead by my singular love for the The Albion , common sense sometimes takes a back seat to the pursuit of the Premiership ,I know we all love this Great club the same ,and we all say it in our own way , and regardless of thumbs up or down ,or a difference of opinion ,the person I see in my minds eye ,at the end of every post is wearing BLUE &WHITE and God bless them all . UTA tug509
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