Talking point: Buckley had lost some spark - but his exit is another sad day for fans

Talking point: Buckley had lost some spark - but his exit is another sad day for fans

Will Buckley scores his famous winner against Doncaster

Buckley's time at Albion was hindered by injuries

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Albion might not be doing a bad bit of business as they bank more than £2 million for selling Will Buckley today.

Not going on what he produced last season anyway.

But the cumulative effect of another star name leaving will go down like a lead balloon with many Seagulls fans.

Another big player in what will probably go down as a mini golden era under Gus Poyet is on his way.

And, while they are assured hard work is being put in to sign players, that has to be unsettling for fans.

Albion have already replaced Tomasz Kuszczak, Matt Upson, Ashley Barnes and, to a degree, Liam Bridcutt, the latter through promotion in-house.

They may well secure replacements who are as good as Buckley, Leo Ulloa, a fit Andrea Orlandi, an on-song David Lopez and loan stars Stephen Ward and Jesse Lingard.

When and if that happens, the top men at the Amex will be lauded – and rightly so.

Just as they have been praised for the huge progress the club has made in many areas in recent years.

But fans have seen many of their favourites go in the past few months and that has to be disconcerting.

Buckley ranks among those favourites, even though last season (apart from the two games against Bolton) was largely a non-event for him.

His place in club legend was secured, of course, by two goals on his debut on the opening day at the Amex in 2011.

There were fabulous moments throughout his first two seasons in Sussex.

Hauntingly, his final act for the club came in identical circumstances to his debut, getting off the bench at the Amex in the first game of the season with his team 1-0 down to dogged opponents from Yorkshire.

But this time there was no magic.

At his best Buckley was among the most entertaining players Albion have fielded in recent years.

He could – and still can – beat players with ease. He can score crucial goals.

Off the pitch, he always came across as a quiet, polite and thoroughly pleasant young bloke.

Which doesn’t matter an awful lot on the field of play.

But it makes you hope he goes on to fulfil his potential.

Buckley lost momentum with the Seagulls a little while ago.

But the timing will make his exit hard to take for many supporters.

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1:05pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Hoarder12345444 says...

It is hard to take indeed, another 2.5 million in the coffers. We need about 4 new players before the end of the transfer window now. We need them quick. Lets see what happens, remember a couple of years ago business was done very late bringing in Dobbie and Orlandi. So lets see. 3 points at Brum saturday would be a welcome boost. O Grady and Macca need games to get sharp and score more. I have faith, but we need some good news, Brighton simply have to spend on quality if we have a chance of challenging or anything.
It is hard to take indeed, another 2.5 million in the coffers. We need about 4 new players before the end of the transfer window now. We need them quick. Lets see what happens, remember a couple of years ago business was done very late bringing in Dobbie and Orlandi. So lets see. 3 points at Brum saturday would be a welcome boost. O Grady and Macca need games to get sharp and score more. I have faith, but we need some good news, Brighton simply have to spend on quality if we have a chance of challenging or anything. Hoarder12345444
  • Score: 22

1:07pm Thu 14 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

I think that the attachment many fans had for Buckley had, to a certain extent withered, this due to his persistent hamstring issues. Buying Buckley is a gamble, joining a prem club doesn't have some magical power that makes what is wrong right, and for too many weeks his hamstrings were not right.
I think that the attachment many fans had for Buckley had, to a certain extent withered, this due to his persistent hamstring issues. Buying Buckley is a gamble, joining a prem club doesn't have some magical power that makes what is wrong right, and for too many weeks his hamstrings were not right. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 9

1:12pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Withdean-er says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I think that the attachment many fans had for Buckley had, to a certain extent withered, this due to his persistent hamstring issues. Buying Buckley is a gamble, joining a prem club doesn't have some magical power that makes what is wrong right, and for too many weeks his hamstrings were not right.
When a PL club has £60m TV income in a year, on top of £40m from other sources, year on year, £2.5m + wages on the classy Buckley is a drop in the ocean. £8m for (never proved himself in top flights) Ulloa stands out as the mad fee.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I think that the attachment many fans had for Buckley had, to a certain extent withered, this due to his persistent hamstring issues. Buying Buckley is a gamble, joining a prem club doesn't have some magical power that makes what is wrong right, and for too many weeks his hamstrings were not right.[/p][/quote]When a PL club has £60m TV income in a year, on top of £40m from other sources, year on year, £2.5m + wages on the classy Buckley is a drop in the ocean. £8m for (never proved himself in top flights) Ulloa stands out as the mad fee. Withdean-er
  • Score: 7

1:17pm Thu 14 Aug 14

mikeygit says...

I hope this is the last post by Argus on Buckley!! Good luck to the bloke and hope he remains fit to do a better job for Sunderland than he did for us. Some profit made and Watford due some money from the deal.
HOWEVER the concern for me and no doubt many others is the post on the previous Argus article about the Clubs accounts and the horrendous costs. For those who read it---and I suggest your do---it IS very worrying and one that really needs a Club statement now. This information in the public domain will only cause concern and answer the question as to why we are not attracting the players we so desperately need. IF it is true then the club needs to come clean--likewise if it is NOT. If the club has money problems then I cannot see us progressing any further and may lead to more players going and sub standard players--for us--coming in. Come on BHA Board lets hear from you.- PLEASE
I hope this is the last post by Argus on Buckley!! Good luck to the bloke and hope he remains fit to do a better job for Sunderland than he did for us. Some profit made and Watford due some money from the deal. HOWEVER the concern for me and no doubt many others is the post on the previous Argus article about the Clubs accounts and the horrendous costs. For those who read it---and I suggest your do---it IS very worrying and one that really needs a Club statement now. This information in the public domain will only cause concern and answer the question as to why we are not attracting the players we so desperately need. IF it is true then the club needs to come clean--likewise if it is NOT. If the club has money problems then I cannot see us progressing any further and may lead to more players going and sub standard players--for us--coming in. Come on BHA Board lets hear from you.- PLEASE mikeygit
  • Score: 4

1:22pm Thu 14 Aug 14

arc12 says...

Last minute rushed signings are often fraught with risk - remember Dobbie! I have lost all faith in our ability to attract quality players and would almost rather go with what we've got now than rush a multitude of new scrambled last minute signings into the squad hoping that 1 or 2 may work out. If Solly was to go too then I think that would be the last straw. How must Sammi be feeling now? Talk about being sold a pup!
Last minute rushed signings are often fraught with risk - remember Dobbie! I have lost all faith in our ability to attract quality players and would almost rather go with what we've got now than rush a multitude of new scrambled last minute signings into the squad hoping that 1 or 2 may work out. If Solly was to go too then I think that would be the last straw. How must Sammi be feeling now? Talk about being sold a pup! arc12
  • Score: 0

1:37pm Thu 14 Aug 14

nkwbtn says...

Another player whose name on the team sheet could lead to a buzz of excitement for the fans. We now seem to have a squad of hardworking journeymen (exception of KLL) who may be hard to be beat but not going to be particularly entertaining or exciting.

Anyway, there is still time so good luck Will - you will always be remembered down here for the great moments you produced in the first two seasons you were here.
Another player whose name on the team sheet could lead to a buzz of excitement for the fans. We now seem to have a squad of hardworking journeymen (exception of KLL) who may be hard to be beat but not going to be particularly entertaining or exciting. Anyway, there is still time so good luck Will - you will always be remembered down here for the great moments you produced in the first two seasons you were here. nkwbtn
  • Score: 6

1:44pm Thu 14 Aug 14

wardfan says...

It is my opinion the players we have sold or let go are not good enough for our Team.
We still have 3 players at the back need to move on these are not good enough.

Lets consider what we do have left, young improving player's not over rated or over paid. Gus build his Team on over rated & over paid players, not good enough to beat the Palace.
Brighton & Hove Albion in my opinion are doing just fine, bring in 3 defenders 2 Strikers .
Just remember the less players you have the more these player's will play together, to make a Team.
I for one are happy to be in the Championship building for the future, then at the bottom of the Premiership fighting to stay in it.
It is my opinion the players we have sold or let go are not good enough for our Team. We still have 3 players at the back need to move on these are not good enough. Lets consider what we do have left, young improving player's not over rated or over paid. Gus build his Team on over rated & over paid players, not good enough to beat the Palace. Brighton & Hove Albion in my opinion are doing just fine, bring in 3 defenders 2 Strikers . Just remember the less players you have the more these player's will play together, to make a Team. I for one are happy to be in the Championship building for the future, then at the bottom of the Premiership fighting to stay in it. wardfan
  • Score: 0

1:59pm Thu 14 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

mikeygit wrote:
I hope this is the last post by Argus on Buckley!! Good luck to the bloke and hope he remains fit to do a better job for Sunderland than he did for us. Some profit made and Watford due some money from the deal.
HOWEVER the concern for me and no doubt many others is the post on the previous Argus article about the Clubs accounts and the horrendous costs. For those who read it---and I suggest your do---it IS very worrying and one that really needs a Club statement now. This information in the public domain will only cause concern and answer the question as to why we are not attracting the players we so desperately need. IF it is true then the club needs to come clean--likewise if it is NOT. If the club has money problems then I cannot see us progressing any further and may lead to more players going and sub standard players--for us--coming in. Come on BHA Board lets hear from you.- PLEASE
Hi Mikey.
Just for a moment let's pretend that FFP had never come about and consider the fact that the club lost 14 million in just one year, and further millions in previous years, how long would the club last if it didn't cut it's losses.
The earnings of the club do not meet their weekly costs, every week we fall short, so the only way to rectify that is to increase earnings or reduce costs, the club is in the process of doing both. The only, 'marquee,' signings that might arrive at the Amex will come on loan deals, IMHO, those waiting for the 4 million striker to be bought have a long wait.

FFP doesn't matter, not when you are losing 14 million in a single year, you either deal with your losses or eventually go broke. Things today are slightly different (re finances and losses,) costs have been cut and new money has come in (naming rights and shirts deals,) but the improvement in our financial situation will only remain if we bring in new players at a cost that doesn't inflate our losses. I am expecting Brighton to finish in the top twelve this season if we continue to buy decent but not special players, (Hughes and O'grady,) but one good buy added to maybe 4 good loanees could change that to top eight.

When last year's figures come out this December, I doubt that they will tell of us losing 14 million, that number would have been cut, but it will still be a sizeable loss year. Decent journeymen and loanees is our future for the next couple of seasons, IMHO.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: I hope this is the last post by Argus on Buckley!! Good luck to the bloke and hope he remains fit to do a better job for Sunderland than he did for us. Some profit made and Watford due some money from the deal. HOWEVER the concern for me and no doubt many others is the post on the previous Argus article about the Clubs accounts and the horrendous costs. For those who read it---and I suggest your do---it IS very worrying and one that really needs a Club statement now. This information in the public domain will only cause concern and answer the question as to why we are not attracting the players we so desperately need. IF it is true then the club needs to come clean--likewise if it is NOT. If the club has money problems then I cannot see us progressing any further and may lead to more players going and sub standard players--for us--coming in. Come on BHA Board lets hear from you.- PLEASE[/p][/quote]Hi Mikey. Just for a moment let's pretend that FFP had never come about and consider the fact that the club lost 14 million in just one year, and further millions in previous years, how long would the club last if it didn't cut it's losses. The earnings of the club do not meet their weekly costs, every week we fall short, so the only way to rectify that is to increase earnings or reduce costs, the club is in the process of doing both. The only, 'marquee,' signings that might arrive at the Amex will come on loan deals, IMHO, those waiting for the 4 million striker to be bought have a long wait. FFP doesn't matter, not when you are losing 14 million in a single year, you either deal with your losses or eventually go broke. Things today are slightly different (re finances and losses,) costs have been cut and new money has come in (naming rights and shirts deals,) but the improvement in our financial situation will only remain if we bring in new players at a cost that doesn't inflate our losses. I am expecting Brighton to finish in the top twelve this season if we continue to buy decent but not special players, (Hughes and O'grady,) but one good buy added to maybe 4 good loanees could change that to top eight. When last year's figures come out this December, I doubt that they will tell of us losing 14 million, that number would have been cut, but it will still be a sizeable loss year. Decent journeymen and loanees is our future for the next couple of seasons, IMHO. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

2:23pm Thu 14 Aug 14

mikeygit says...

Vegas--I think you are correct. No business can continue to make year on year losses otherwise it eventually becomes unsustainable --I think where the board are at fault is that they do not recognise that BHA has quite a large diverse fan base--maybe unusual for a seaside town---who were promised players in by the close of the transfer. Granted they did not say they would be players of this or that standard but if the club has the ambition as it keeps telling us it has, then it is only natural for the fans to want good players who are going to improve our place in the league to a day when we DO get into the Premiership. The problem--as I see it--is that the club are TOO secretive thereby creating too much and often incorrect speculation. Far better for the club to explain in laymans terms that whilst their ultimate goal is to be a Premiership Club and that is what they are preparing for, but that the debt has to be reduced before we can contemplate that move and so in the meanwhile we cannot afford high maintenance players but hope to bring those type of players through the Training and DS route. That way the fans know where they stand. We have had HUNDREDS of posts here over the past days from fans offering many different opinions. It tells me that we have a very passionate bunch of fans who want only the best for the Club---not fair that the fans are doing their bit with info, TB needs to lay his cards on the table---sorry for the pun----and tell the fans REALLY how it is, that way any confidence being lost in the fan base has a chance of being restored.

I hope that makes sense but that is how I see it. their has been too much talk by us fans lately for the Board to ignore it. And yes I am sure someone at the Club reads some of our comments so they must know how we feel.
Vegas--I think you are correct. No business can continue to make year on year losses otherwise it eventually becomes unsustainable --I think where the board are at fault is that they do not recognise that BHA has quite a large diverse fan base--maybe unusual for a seaside town---who were promised players in by the close of the transfer. Granted they did not say they would be players of this or that standard but if the club has the ambition as it keeps telling us it has, then it is only natural for the fans to want good players who are going to improve our place in the league to a day when we DO get into the Premiership. The problem--as I see it--is that the club are TOO secretive thereby creating too much and often incorrect speculation. Far better for the club to explain in laymans terms that whilst their ultimate goal is to be a Premiership Club and that is what they are preparing for, but that the debt has to be reduced before we can contemplate that move and so in the meanwhile we cannot afford high maintenance players but hope to bring those type of players through the Training and DS route. That way the fans know where they stand. We have had HUNDREDS of posts here over the past days from fans offering many different opinions. It tells me that we have a very passionate bunch of fans who want only the best for the Club---not fair that the fans are doing their bit with info, TB needs to lay his cards on the table---sorry for the pun----and tell the fans REALLY how it is, that way any confidence being lost in the fan base has a chance of being restored. I hope that makes sense but that is how I see it. their has been too much talk by us fans lately for the Board to ignore it. And yes I am sure someone at the Club reads some of our comments so they must know how we feel. mikeygit
  • Score: 10

2:35pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Claude Back says...

wardfan wrote:
It is my opinion the players we have sold or let go are not good enough for our Team.
We still have 3 players at the back need to move on these are not good enough.

Lets consider what we do have left, young improving player's not over rated or over paid. Gus build his Team on over rated & over paid players, not good enough to beat the Palace.
Brighton & Hove Albion in my opinion are doing just fine, bring in 3 defenders 2 Strikers .
Just remember the less players you have the more these player's will play together, to make a Team.
I for one are happy to be in the Championship building for the future, then at the bottom of the Premiership fighting to stay in it.
I think you really are deluded or a WUM. If those players eere not good enough for our team how the hell are we going to replace them with better players for the same money? You can play all the lesser talented players you want till the cows come home but you won't get a good team. Otherwise why do Prem clubs buy anyone?
[quote][p][bold]wardfan[/bold] wrote: It is my opinion the players we have sold or let go are not good enough for our Team. We still have 3 players at the back need to move on these are not good enough. Lets consider what we do have left, young improving player's not over rated or over paid. Gus build his Team on over rated & over paid players, not good enough to beat the Palace. Brighton & Hove Albion in my opinion are doing just fine, bring in 3 defenders 2 Strikers . Just remember the less players you have the more these player's will play together, to make a Team. I for one are happy to be in the Championship building for the future, then at the bottom of the Premiership fighting to stay in it.[/p][/quote]I think you really are deluded or a WUM. If those players eere not good enough for our team how the hell are we going to replace them with better players for the same money? You can play all the lesser talented players you want till the cows come home but you won't get a good team. Otherwise why do Prem clubs buy anyone? Claude Back
  • Score: -3

2:35pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Claude Back says...

wardfan wrote:
It is my opinion the players we have sold or let go are not good enough for our Team.
We still have 3 players at the back need to move on these are not good enough.

Lets consider what we do have left, young improving player's not over rated or over paid. Gus build his Team on over rated & over paid players, not good enough to beat the Palace.
Brighton & Hove Albion in my opinion are doing just fine, bring in 3 defenders 2 Strikers .
Just remember the less players you have the more these player's will play together, to make a Team.
I for one are happy to be in the Championship building for the future, then at the bottom of the Premiership fighting to stay in it.
I think you really are deluded or a WUM. If those players eere not good enough for our team how the hell are we going to replace them with better players for the same money? You can play all the lesser talented players you want till the cows come home but you won't get a good team. Otherwise why do Prem clubs buy anyone?
[quote][p][bold]wardfan[/bold] wrote: It is my opinion the players we have sold or let go are not good enough for our Team. We still have 3 players at the back need to move on these are not good enough. Lets consider what we do have left, young improving player's not over rated or over paid. Gus build his Team on over rated & over paid players, not good enough to beat the Palace. Brighton & Hove Albion in my opinion are doing just fine, bring in 3 defenders 2 Strikers . Just remember the less players you have the more these player's will play together, to make a Team. I for one are happy to be in the Championship building for the future, then at the bottom of the Premiership fighting to stay in it.[/p][/quote]I think you really are deluded or a WUM. If those players eere not good enough for our team how the hell are we going to replace them with better players for the same money? You can play all the lesser talented players you want till the cows come home but you won't get a good team. Otherwise why do Prem clubs buy anyone? Claude Back
  • Score: 1

2:36pm Thu 14 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Mickey, yes a club statement telling the fans, in plain terms, 'this is what we really think,' would be refreshing and open. Heightened expectations sells season tickets, not delivering on those expectations results in less sales, a fine balancing act has to be struck. Words count for little if there isn't some tangible movement regarding the squad, we have heard the words but not, so far, seen the movement.
I would settle for Bloom telling the fans, 'we have one more target we wish to buy, and we also have x number of loan targets that we are currently trying to negotiate to a conclusion.'
Mickey, yes a club statement telling the fans, in plain terms, 'this is what we really think,' would be refreshing and open. Heightened expectations sells season tickets, not delivering on those expectations results in less sales, a fine balancing act has to be struck. Words count for little if there isn't some tangible movement regarding the squad, we have heard the words but not, so far, seen the movement. I would settle for Bloom telling the fans, 'we have one more target we wish to buy, and we also have x number of loan targets that we are currently trying to negotiate to a conclusion.' VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

2:41pm Thu 14 Aug 14

ringtone says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
I hope this is the last post by Argus on Buckley!! Good luck to the bloke and hope he remains fit to do a better job for Sunderland than he did for us. Some profit made and Watford due some money from the deal.
HOWEVER the concern for me and no doubt many others is the post on the previous Argus article about the Clubs accounts and the horrendous costs. For those who read it---and I suggest your do---it IS very worrying and one that really needs a Club statement now. This information in the public domain will only cause concern and answer the question as to why we are not attracting the players we so desperately need. IF it is true then the club needs to come clean--likewise if it is NOT. If the club has money problems then I cannot see us progressing any further and may lead to more players going and sub standard players--for us--coming in. Come on BHA Board lets hear from you.- PLEASE
Hi Mikey.
Just for a moment let's pretend that FFP had never come about and consider the fact that the club lost 14 million in just one year, and further millions in previous years, how long would the club last if it didn't cut it's losses.
The earnings of the club do not meet their weekly costs, every week we fall short, so the only way to rectify that is to increase earnings or reduce costs, the club is in the process of doing both. The only, 'marquee,' signings that might arrive at the Amex will come on loan deals, IMHO, those waiting for the 4 million striker to be bought have a long wait.

FFP doesn't matter, not when you are losing 14 million in a single year, you either deal with your losses or eventually go broke. Things today are slightly different (re finances and losses,) costs have been cut and new money has come in (naming rights and shirts deals,) but the improvement in our financial situation will only remain if we bring in new players at a cost that doesn't inflate our losses. I am expecting Brighton to finish in the top twelve this season if we continue to buy decent but not special players, (Hughes and O'grady,) but one good buy added to maybe 4 good loanees could change that to top eight.

When last year's figures come out this December, I doubt that they will tell of us losing 14 million, that number would have been cut, but it will still be a sizeable loss year. Decent journeymen and loanees is our future for the next couple of seasons, IMHO.
The alleged 14 million loss must include a sizeable chunk in stadium repayments.

If not the current regime have presided over the worse financial mismanagement in recent football history.

We just want bto know the facts.

UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: I hope this is the last post by Argus on Buckley!! Good luck to the bloke and hope he remains fit to do a better job for Sunderland than he did for us. Some profit made and Watford due some money from the deal. HOWEVER the concern for me and no doubt many others is the post on the previous Argus article about the Clubs accounts and the horrendous costs. For those who read it---and I suggest your do---it IS very worrying and one that really needs a Club statement now. This information in the public domain will only cause concern and answer the question as to why we are not attracting the players we so desperately need. IF it is true then the club needs to come clean--likewise if it is NOT. If the club has money problems then I cannot see us progressing any further and may lead to more players going and sub standard players--for us--coming in. Come on BHA Board lets hear from you.- PLEASE[/p][/quote]Hi Mikey. Just for a moment let's pretend that FFP had never come about and consider the fact that the club lost 14 million in just one year, and further millions in previous years, how long would the club last if it didn't cut it's losses. The earnings of the club do not meet their weekly costs, every week we fall short, so the only way to rectify that is to increase earnings or reduce costs, the club is in the process of doing both. The only, 'marquee,' signings that might arrive at the Amex will come on loan deals, IMHO, those waiting for the 4 million striker to be bought have a long wait. FFP doesn't matter, not when you are losing 14 million in a single year, you either deal with your losses or eventually go broke. Things today are slightly different (re finances and losses,) costs have been cut and new money has come in (naming rights and shirts deals,) but the improvement in our financial situation will only remain if we bring in new players at a cost that doesn't inflate our losses. I am expecting Brighton to finish in the top twelve this season if we continue to buy decent but not special players, (Hughes and O'grady,) but one good buy added to maybe 4 good loanees could change that to top eight. When last year's figures come out this December, I doubt that they will tell of us losing 14 million, that number would have been cut, but it will still be a sizeable loss year. Decent journeymen and loanees is our future for the next couple of seasons, IMHO.[/p][/quote]The alleged 14 million loss must include a sizeable chunk in stadium repayments. If not the current regime have presided over the worse financial mismanagement in recent football history. We just want bto know the facts. UTA ringtone
  • Score: 6

2:48pm Thu 14 Aug 14

DazLow says...

Buckley leaving is sad. I, for one, always thought we could win a game when he was playing and that we had less of a chance when he wasn't. He could create things from nothing and frightened defenders. He had a reliable pass which Lua Lua does not.

Good luck Will and thanks for the service.
Buckley leaving is sad. I, for one, always thought we could win a game when he was playing and that we had less of a chance when he wasn't. He could create things from nothing and frightened defenders. He had a reliable pass which Lua Lua does not. Good luck Will and thanks for the service. DazLow
  • Score: 5

2:59pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

My mate goes fishing off the marina wall and saw a car pull up and then someone throwing bags of what looked like cash into a speedboat before zooming off to the horizon. Could it be Bloom taking all the transfer money to Monaco or somewhere? It certainly isn't being spent in replacement players, although we've at last found that extra few grand for Ward. We've got enough to compete with the Fulhams and Norwichs if you think how many million we've earnt the last few weeks.
My mate goes fishing off the marina wall and saw a car pull up and then someone throwing bags of what looked like cash into a speedboat before zooming off to the horizon. Could it be Bloom taking all the transfer money to Monaco or somewhere? It certainly isn't being spent in replacement players, although we've at last found that extra few grand for Ward. We've got enough to compete with the Fulhams and Norwichs if you think how many million we've earnt the last few weeks. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: 1

3:04pm Thu 14 Aug 14

blueskiesfromnowon says...

Who is this Will Buckley everyone keeps talking about? I don't remember seeing him last season. Was he any good?
Who is this Will Buckley everyone keeps talking about? I don't remember seeing him last season. Was he any good? blueskiesfromnowon
  • Score: 3

3:53pm Thu 14 Aug 14

mikeygit says...

Ringtone---I am not sure TB is receiving any repayments for The Amex yet??? I understand that any business has to get its finances in order before expanding but JUST TELL US THAT IS part of he problem, we are not children most of us are adults who understand this sort of thing, but saying nothing only raises suspicions and creates distrust.
Ringtone---I am not sure TB is receiving any repayments for The Amex yet??? I understand that any business has to get its finances in order before expanding but JUST TELL US THAT IS part of he problem, we are not children most of us are adults who understand this sort of thing, but saying nothing only raises suspicions and creates distrust. mikeygit
  • Score: 0

4:24pm Thu 14 Aug 14

magicmenagerie says...

The list of player sales above is pretty depressing isn't it ? Buckley, Bridcutt, Barnes, Ulloa, Upson, Kuzczack, Orlandi, Lopez. And now you can add Solly March, off down the coast to the other selling club.
Oh well.
The list of player sales above is pretty depressing isn't it ? Buckley, Bridcutt, Barnes, Ulloa, Upson, Kuzczack, Orlandi, Lopez. And now you can add Solly March, off down the coast to the other selling club. Oh well. magicmenagerie
  • Score: -3

4:38pm Thu 14 Aug 14

tez1959 says...

buckley barnes bridcutt upson ulloa murray bridge the only one missing is mr burke yes you muppet
buckley barnes bridcutt upson ulloa murray bridge the only one missing is mr burke yes you muppet tez1959
  • Score: 2

4:40pm Thu 14 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

magicmenagerie wrote:
The list of player sales above is pretty depressing isn't it ? Buckley, Bridcutt, Barnes, Ulloa, Upson, Kuzczack, Orlandi, Lopez. And now you can add Solly March, off down the coast to the other selling club.
Oh well.
Buckley missed about two thirds of the season.
Bridcutt allowed Ince to get his chance, a good result for us.
Barnes, a decent striker that has been replaced by a decent striker, O'Grady.
Ulloa, massive money and a player that will be hard to replace.
Kuz, has been replaced by a good quality keeper, IMHO.
Orlandi, another who spent too much time with the medics.
Lopez, his best days are long gone.
March, is he going?
[quote][p][bold]magicmenagerie[/bold] wrote: The list of player sales above is pretty depressing isn't it ? Buckley, Bridcutt, Barnes, Ulloa, Upson, Kuzczack, Orlandi, Lopez. And now you can add Solly March, off down the coast to the other selling club. Oh well.[/p][/quote]Buckley missed about two thirds of the season. Bridcutt allowed Ince to get his chance, a good result for us. Barnes, a decent striker that has been replaced by a decent striker, O'Grady. Ulloa, massive money and a player that will be hard to replace. Kuz, has been replaced by a good quality keeper, IMHO. Orlandi, another who spent too much time with the medics. Lopez, his best days are long gone. March, is he going? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

4:45pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Withdean-er says...

ringtone wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
I hope this is the last post by Argus on Buckley!! Good luck to the bloke and hope he remains fit to do a better job for Sunderland than he did for us. Some profit made and Watford due some money from the deal.
HOWEVER the concern for me and no doubt many others is the post on the previous Argus article about the Clubs accounts and the horrendous costs. For those who read it---and I suggest your do---it IS very worrying and one that really needs a Club statement now. This information in the public domain will only cause concern and answer the question as to why we are not attracting the players we so desperately need. IF it is true then the club needs to come clean--likewise if it is NOT. If the club has money problems then I cannot see us progressing any further and may lead to more players going and sub standard players--for us--coming in. Come on BHA Board lets hear from you.- PLEASE
Hi Mikey.
Just for a moment let's pretend that FFP had never come about and consider the fact that the club lost 14 million in just one year, and further millions in previous years, how long would the club last if it didn't cut it's losses.
The earnings of the club do not meet their weekly costs, every week we fall short, so the only way to rectify that is to increase earnings or reduce costs, the club is in the process of doing both. The only, 'marquee,' signings that might arrive at the Amex will come on loan deals, IMHO, those waiting for the 4 million striker to be bought have a long wait.

FFP doesn't matter, not when you are losing 14 million in a single year, you either deal with your losses or eventually go broke. Things today are slightly different (re finances and losses,) costs have been cut and new money has come in (naming rights and shirts deals,) but the improvement in our financial situation will only remain if we bring in new players at a cost that doesn't inflate our losses. I am expecting Brighton to finish in the top twelve this season if we continue to buy decent but not special players, (Hughes and O'grady,) but one good buy added to maybe 4 good loanees could change that to top eight.

When last year's figures come out this December, I doubt that they will tell of us losing 14 million, that number would have been cut, but it will still be a sizeable loss year. Decent journeymen and loanees is our future for the next couple of seasons, IMHO.
The alleged 14 million loss must include a sizeable chunk in stadium repayments.

If not the current regime have presided over the worse financial mismanagement in recent football history.

We just want bto know the facts.

UTA
It doesn't contain any stadium repayments. There aren't any as it was entirely funded by an interest free loan from TB, with nothing repaid as yet. If any, the loan has increased as TB dips into his pocket to fund the Lancing complex and massive trading losses.

No interest is paid.

Most of the loss was cause by payroll being greater than £20m per annum, far more than we can afford.

The facts are there in very open and full financial statements on public record online at Companies House. Yours for a £1 or 2.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: I hope this is the last post by Argus on Buckley!! Good luck to the bloke and hope he remains fit to do a better job for Sunderland than he did for us. Some profit made and Watford due some money from the deal. HOWEVER the concern for me and no doubt many others is the post on the previous Argus article about the Clubs accounts and the horrendous costs. For those who read it---and I suggest your do---it IS very worrying and one that really needs a Club statement now. This information in the public domain will only cause concern and answer the question as to why we are not attracting the players we so desperately need. IF it is true then the club needs to come clean--likewise if it is NOT. If the club has money problems then I cannot see us progressing any further and may lead to more players going and sub standard players--for us--coming in. Come on BHA Board lets hear from you.- PLEASE[/p][/quote]Hi Mikey. Just for a moment let's pretend that FFP had never come about and consider the fact that the club lost 14 million in just one year, and further millions in previous years, how long would the club last if it didn't cut it's losses. The earnings of the club do not meet their weekly costs, every week we fall short, so the only way to rectify that is to increase earnings or reduce costs, the club is in the process of doing both. The only, 'marquee,' signings that might arrive at the Amex will come on loan deals, IMHO, those waiting for the 4 million striker to be bought have a long wait. FFP doesn't matter, not when you are losing 14 million in a single year, you either deal with your losses or eventually go broke. Things today are slightly different (re finances and losses,) costs have been cut and new money has come in (naming rights and shirts deals,) but the improvement in our financial situation will only remain if we bring in new players at a cost that doesn't inflate our losses. I am expecting Brighton to finish in the top twelve this season if we continue to buy decent but not special players, (Hughes and O'grady,) but one good buy added to maybe 4 good loanees could change that to top eight. When last year's figures come out this December, I doubt that they will tell of us losing 14 million, that number would have been cut, but it will still be a sizeable loss year. Decent journeymen and loanees is our future for the next couple of seasons, IMHO.[/p][/quote]The alleged 14 million loss must include a sizeable chunk in stadium repayments. If not the current regime have presided over the worse financial mismanagement in recent football history. We just want bto know the facts. UTA[/p][/quote]It doesn't contain any stadium repayments. There aren't any as it was entirely funded by an interest free loan from TB, with nothing repaid as yet. If any, the loan has increased as TB dips into his pocket to fund the Lancing complex and massive trading losses. No interest is paid. Most of the loss was cause by payroll being greater than £20m per annum, far more than we can afford. The facts are there in very open and full financial statements on public record online at Companies House. Yours for a £1 or 2. Withdean-er
  • Score: 1

4:56pm Thu 14 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Gus Poyet did well for Brighton, but he also saddled the club with some big wage packets to cover, big wages added to a few expensive transfer fees. Looking thru the squad as it stands today, I think only CMS remains on a contract connected to Poyet. Bruno and Calde both signed new contracts so their cost must be acceptable to the club.
Poyet might have had a good way about him when convincing players to join us, but the wages he got Bloom to agree to played their part. If we ever get around to offering CMS a new deal, I bet he will have to accept a pay cut.
Gus Poyet did well for Brighton, but he also saddled the club with some big wage packets to cover, big wages added to a few expensive transfer fees. Looking thru the squad as it stands today, I think only CMS remains on a contract connected to Poyet. Bruno and Calde both signed new contracts so their cost must be acceptable to the club. Poyet might have had a good way about him when convincing players to join us, but the wages he got Bloom to agree to played their part. If we ever get around to offering CMS a new deal, I bet he will have to accept a pay cut. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 1

5:17pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
I hope this is the last post by Argus on Buckley!! Good luck to the bloke and hope he remains fit to do a better job for Sunderland than he did for us. Some profit made and Watford due some money from the deal.
HOWEVER the concern for me and no doubt many others is the post on the previous Argus article about the Clubs accounts and the horrendous costs. For those who read it---and I suggest your do---it IS very worrying and one that really needs a Club statement now. This information in the public domain will only cause concern and answer the question as to why we are not attracting the players we so desperately need. IF it is true then the club needs to come clean--likewise if it is NOT. If the club has money problems then I cannot see us progressing any further and may lead to more players going and sub standard players--for us--coming in. Come on BHA Board lets hear from you.- PLEASE
Hi Mikey.
Just for a moment let's pretend that FFP had never come about and consider the fact that the club lost 14 million in just one year, and further millions in previous years, how long would the club last if it didn't cut it's losses.
The earnings of the club do not meet their weekly costs, every week we fall short, so the only way to rectify that is to increase earnings or reduce costs, the club is in the process of doing both. The only, 'marquee,' signings that might arrive at the Amex will come on loan deals, IMHO, those waiting for the 4 million striker to be bought have a long wait.

FFP doesn't matter, not when you are losing 14 million in a single year, you either deal with your losses or eventually go broke. Things today are slightly different (re finances and losses,) costs have been cut and new money has come in (naming rights and shirts deals,) but the improvement in our financial situation will only remain if we bring in new players at a cost that doesn't inflate our losses. I am expecting Brighton to finish in the top twelve this season if we continue to buy decent but not special players, (Hughes and O'grady,) but one good buy added to maybe 4 good loanees could change that to top eight.

When last year's figures come out this December, I doubt that they will tell of us losing 14 million, that number would have been cut, but it will still be a sizeable loss year. Decent journeymen and loanees is our future for the next couple of seasons, IMHO.
Can't believe your post has been voted down just because it's an 'inconvenient truth'.

Or rather I can given that a majority of fans (not just Brighton) really don't understsnd the economics behind modern football. "Get into debt chasing the dream and then swap it all for twelve points" seems to be the more popular business model chosen by most clubs. And when you read a lot of the posts on here (and NSC) you understand why clubs find it easier just to give in to fans.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: I hope this is the last post by Argus on Buckley!! Good luck to the bloke and hope he remains fit to do a better job for Sunderland than he did for us. Some profit made and Watford due some money from the deal. HOWEVER the concern for me and no doubt many others is the post on the previous Argus article about the Clubs accounts and the horrendous costs. For those who read it---and I suggest your do---it IS very worrying and one that really needs a Club statement now. This information in the public domain will only cause concern and answer the question as to why we are not attracting the players we so desperately need. IF it is true then the club needs to come clean--likewise if it is NOT. If the club has money problems then I cannot see us progressing any further and may lead to more players going and sub standard players--for us--coming in. Come on BHA Board lets hear from you.- PLEASE[/p][/quote]Hi Mikey. Just for a moment let's pretend that FFP had never come about and consider the fact that the club lost 14 million in just one year, and further millions in previous years, how long would the club last if it didn't cut it's losses. The earnings of the club do not meet their weekly costs, every week we fall short, so the only way to rectify that is to increase earnings or reduce costs, the club is in the process of doing both. The only, 'marquee,' signings that might arrive at the Amex will come on loan deals, IMHO, those waiting for the 4 million striker to be bought have a long wait. FFP doesn't matter, not when you are losing 14 million in a single year, you either deal with your losses or eventually go broke. Things today are slightly different (re finances and losses,) costs have been cut and new money has come in (naming rights and shirts deals,) but the improvement in our financial situation will only remain if we bring in new players at a cost that doesn't inflate our losses. I am expecting Brighton to finish in the top twelve this season if we continue to buy decent but not special players, (Hughes and O'grady,) but one good buy added to maybe 4 good loanees could change that to top eight. When last year's figures come out this December, I doubt that they will tell of us losing 14 million, that number would have been cut, but it will still be a sizeable loss year. Decent journeymen and loanees is our future for the next couple of seasons, IMHO.[/p][/quote]Can't believe your post has been voted down just because it's an 'inconvenient truth'. Or rather I can given that a majority of fans (not just Brighton) really don't understsnd the economics behind modern football. "Get into debt chasing the dream and then swap it all for twelve points" seems to be the more popular business model chosen by most clubs. And when you read a lot of the posts on here (and NSC) you understand why clubs find it easier just to give in to fans. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 0

5:23pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

mikeygit wrote:
Ringtone---I am not sure TB is receiving any repayments for The Amex yet??? I understand that any business has to get its finances in order before expanding but JUST TELL US THAT IS part of he problem, we are not children most of us are adults who understand this sort of thing, but saying nothing only raises suspicions and creates distrust.
No he's not - and unless he sells the club he never will. His loan is being converted into shares.

However I totally agree with your second point. If the club intend to use the majority of the transfer money simply to stay out of debt then they should say so. Mind you it will be a lot harder to get people to pay all the high prices if they do.

Club moto: "One club, one ambition"
Fans motto: "High prices, high expectations"
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Ringtone---I am not sure TB is receiving any repayments for The Amex yet??? I understand that any business has to get its finances in order before expanding but JUST TELL US THAT IS part of he problem, we are not children most of us are adults who understand this sort of thing, but saying nothing only raises suspicions and creates distrust.[/p][/quote]No he's not - and unless he sells the club he never will. His loan is being converted into shares. However I totally agree with your second point. If the club intend to use the majority of the transfer money simply to stay out of debt then they should say so. Mind you it will be a lot harder to get people to pay all the high prices if they do. Club moto: "One club, one ambition" Fans motto: "High prices, high expectations" Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
  • Score: 1

5:54pm Thu 14 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Jimmy Stewart, part of the reason why I got thumbs down is, IMHO, because I took FFP out of the way, and once that is done, then you are forced to face the reality of what being a Brighton fan entails, at the moment.

All the time the FFP is thrown up it gives us something to point to, 'we are not signing players of note because we must comply with FFP rules.' 'We are only offering low wages, not enough to get players in, because we must comply with FFP rules,' and a whole bunch of other, 'thoughts.' Take the FFP out and all we have is, 'we are losing millions every year so no, we will not be buying a promotion winning squad at this time.' The FFP issue can be seen as a crutch for the club, and fans, to lean on, who would agrue against the club doing all it can to remain solvent.
Jimmy Stewart, part of the reason why I got thumbs down is, IMHO, because I took FFP out of the way, and once that is done, then you are forced to face the reality of what being a Brighton fan entails, at the moment. All the time the FFP is thrown up it gives us something to point to, 'we are not signing players of note because we must comply with FFP rules.' 'We are only offering low wages, not enough to get players in, because we must comply with FFP rules,' and a whole bunch of other, 'thoughts.' Take the FFP out and all we have is, 'we are losing millions every year so no, we will not be buying a promotion winning squad at this time.' The FFP issue can be seen as a crutch for the club, and fans, to lean on, who would agrue against the club doing all it can to remain solvent. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

6:13pm Thu 14 Aug 14

AlfieT says...

Donny game elevated him to Albion legend status, will always love him for those memories, good luck Will hope this move gives you your mojo back.
Donny game elevated him to Albion legend status, will always love him for those memories, good luck Will hope this move gives you your mojo back. AlfieT
  • Score: 1

6:35pm Thu 14 Aug 14

wardfan says...

Claude Back wrote:
wardfan wrote:
It is my opinion the players we have sold or let go are not good enough for our Team.
We still have 3 players at the back need to move on these are not good enough.

Lets consider what we do have left, young improving player's not over rated or over paid. Gus build his Team on over rated & over paid players, not good enough to beat the Palace.
Brighton & Hove Albion in my opinion are doing just fine, bring in 3 defenders 2 Strikers .
Just remember the less players you have the more these player's will play together, to make a Team.
I for one are happy to be in the Championship building for the future, then at the bottom of the Premiership fighting to stay in it.
I think you really are deluded or a WUM. If those players eere not good enough for our team how the hell are we going to replace them with better players for the same money? You can play all the lesser talented players you want till the cows come home but you won't get a good team. Otherwise why do Prem clubs buy anyone?
Just because one spends money, does not guarantee quality player's.

Good scouting that's how Sir.

You should read the quote properly.
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wardfan[/bold] wrote: It is my opinion the players we have sold or let go are not good enough for our Team. We still have 3 players at the back need to move on these are not good enough. Lets consider what we do have left, young improving player's not over rated or over paid. Gus build his Team on over rated & over paid players, not good enough to beat the Palace. Brighton & Hove Albion in my opinion are doing just fine, bring in 3 defenders 2 Strikers . Just remember the less players you have the more these player's will play together, to make a Team. I for one are happy to be in the Championship building for the future, then at the bottom of the Premiership fighting to stay in it.[/p][/quote]I think you really are deluded or a WUM. If those players eere not good enough for our team how the hell are we going to replace them with better players for the same money? You can play all the lesser talented players you want till the cows come home but you won't get a good team. Otherwise why do Prem clubs buy anyone?[/p][/quote]Just because one spends money, does not guarantee quality player's. Good scouting that's how Sir. You should read the quote properly. wardfan
  • Score: 1

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