Albion confirm signing of Gardner

Gary Gardner in action for Villa against Paul Scholes of Manchester United. Pic by birminghammail.net

Gary Gardner in action for Villa against Paul Scholes of Manchester United. Pic by birminghammail.net

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Albion have confirmed the capture of Aston Villa midfield prospect Gary Gardner on loan until January 1.

The 22-year-old is available for tonight's Capital One Cup tie at Swindon after completing a medical at the Seagulls' hotel base in Wiltshire last night and signing the paperwork this morning.

Boss Sami Hyypia said: "Gary is a quality midfielder who we have been aware of for some time. When we knew he was available, we wanted to bring him here as he will give us another quality option in the middle of the park.

"There are areas of the squad where we would like more options and midfield was one of those areas. We have Dale Stephens out injured but more importantly, given the considerable demands of the Championship, I want to be able to rotate the squad.

"Gary has had a tough couple of seasons due to injury but he showed during a spell with Sheffield Wednesday last season that he is over those problems. We hope this loan spell will benefit Gary, us and Aston Villa.

"He is the type of midfielder who is active and mobile but very importantly he has real quality on the ball - and is also capable of producing things from set pieces."

Gardner graduated through the ranks at Villa Park where he caught the eye in the club's under 18s and reserves, captaining the side at both levels.

In November 2011 he joined Coventry City on loan and scored on his Championship debut for the Sky Blues at the Amex in a 2-1 win for Albion.

After four appearances for the Sky Blues he was recalled to Villa Park, promoted to the first team squad and awarded his Premier League debut against Chelsea on New Year's Eve 2011.

Gardner went on to make 16 appearances for Villa in the second half of the season before a cruciate knee ligament injury halted his progress and restricted him to just two appearances in the 2012-13 campaign.

He returned to action on loan to Sheffield Wednesday at the end of last season.

Birmingham-born Gardner, younger brother of Sunderland's Craig, has also represented England at every level from under 17s through to under 21s.

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10:48am Tue 26 Aug 14

SMF20 says...

Wow... Another top notch signing. Well done guys.

Just the number 9 shirt to fill now.

Uta
Wow... Another top notch signing. Well done guys. Just the number 9 shirt to fill now. Uta SMF20
  • Score: 12

10:49am Tue 26 Aug 14

pandaking says...

Another signing! :D

What a wonderful and new place to be: cover for most of our positions! How many times in seasons gone have we been left very short of cover, suffering massive injury blows to half the team, playing young unready development squad players - then at the end of the season ruing the points lost due to injuries. Lessons learned?

I also feel squad rotation should help minimise the injuries as well. Nothing but good news of late.

Still would be happy to see another striker and perhaps a winger signed, but I think we have a fairly strong squad as is now.

UTA!
Another signing! :D What a wonderful and new place to be: cover for most of our positions! How many times in seasons gone have we been left very short of cover, suffering massive injury blows to half the team, playing young unready development squad players - then at the end of the season ruing the points lost due to injuries. Lessons learned? I also feel squad rotation should help minimise the injuries as well. Nothing but good news of late. Still would be happy to see another striker and perhaps a winger signed, but I think we have a fairly strong squad as is now. UTA! pandaking
  • Score: 3

10:52am Tue 26 Aug 14

pandaking says...

Video of this kid scoring a hat-trick:
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=y-HVq8Qf
L3g
Video of this kid scoring a hat-trick: https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=y-HVq8Qf L3g pandaking
  • Score: 3

11:00am Tue 26 Aug 14

Cliify0002 says...

Omg another midfield player , and worse another loanee , is anyone thinking of long term stability and forward thinking . He's a decent player but what happens when the season ends, more uncertainty. I am aware it's till January for him but rather have bought one good striker than over fill midfield. Have to see how the boss uses them all
Omg another midfield player , and worse another loanee , is anyone thinking of long term stability and forward thinking . He's a decent player but what happens when the season ends, more uncertainty. I am aware it's till January for him but rather have bought one good striker than over fill midfield. Have to see how the boss uses them all Cliify0002
  • Score: -50

11:04am Tue 26 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

Carlton Cole and that will be it I reckon!
Carlton Cole and that will be it I reckon! Conelli98
  • Score: -27

11:24am Tue 26 Aug 14

brightonup says...

Is there any more odious creature than a troll?
When times are difficult they emerge in force to try and undermine the spirit of supporters still further; when good news comes our way, they try all their usual tricks to dampen any euphoria.
What kind of a hobby is that?
They really are the underclass of humanity!
Is there any more odious creature than a troll? When times are difficult they emerge in force to try and undermine the spirit of supporters still further; when good news comes our way, they try all their usual tricks to dampen any euphoria. What kind of a hobby is that? They really are the underclass of humanity! brightonup
  • Score: 25

11:37am Tue 26 Aug 14

Sid East Brighton says...

Cliify0002 wrote:
Omg another midfield player , and worse another loanee , is anyone thinking of long term stability and forward thinking . He's a decent player but what happens when the season ends, more uncertainty. I am aware it's till January for him but rather have bought one good striker than over fill midfield. Have to see how the boss uses them all
Just maybe there was'nt the quality of player available.Therfore loan players are brought in. Why worry about the season end, we have 9 months of this season left.
[quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: Omg another midfield player , and worse another loanee , is anyone thinking of long term stability and forward thinking . He's a decent player but what happens when the season ends, more uncertainty. I am aware it's till January for him but rather have bought one good striker than over fill midfield. Have to see how the boss uses them all[/p][/quote]Just maybe there was'nt the quality of player available.Therfore loan players are brought in. Why worry about the season end, we have 9 months of this season left. Sid East Brighton
  • Score: 14

11:43am Tue 26 Aug 14

brightonup says...

Sid East Brighton wrote:
Cliify0002 wrote:
Omg another midfield player , and worse another loanee , is anyone thinking of long term stability and forward thinking . He's a decent player but what happens when the season ends, more uncertainty. I am aware it's till January for him but rather have bought one good striker than over fill midfield. Have to see how the boss uses them all
Just maybe there was'nt the quality of player available.Therfore loan players are brought in. Why worry about the season end, we have 9 months of this season left.
HE IS A WUM ON A FISHING TRIP. PLEASE DO NOT FEED!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Sid East Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: Omg another midfield player , and worse another loanee , is anyone thinking of long term stability and forward thinking . He's a decent player but what happens when the season ends, more uncertainty. I am aware it's till January for him but rather have bought one good striker than over fill midfield. Have to see how the boss uses them all[/p][/quote]Just maybe there was'nt the quality of player available.Therfore loan players are brought in. Why worry about the season end, we have 9 months of this season left.[/p][/quote]HE IS A WUM ON A FISHING TRIP. PLEASE DO NOT FEED!!!!! brightonup
  • Score: 5

11:47am Tue 26 Aug 14

brightonfan34 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Carlton Cole and that will be it I reckon!
carlton cole could be going to bournemouth
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Carlton Cole and that will be it I reckon![/p][/quote]carlton cole could be going to bournemouth brightonfan34
  • Score: 3

11:49am Tue 26 Aug 14

JeffLomer says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Carlton Cole and that will be it I reckon!
Let's hope it ain't Cole no thank you!!
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Carlton Cole and that will be it I reckon![/p][/quote]Let's hope it ain't Cole no thank you!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 6

11:52am Tue 26 Aug 14

Sweetmanattheamex says...

Another quality signing in Gary Gardner. Welcome to the Albion Gary. Very exciting times ahead for us all. UTA
Another quality signing in Gary Gardner. Welcome to the Albion Gary. Very exciting times ahead for us all. UTA Sweetmanattheamex
  • Score: 15

11:58am Tue 26 Aug 14

BobGear says...

Cliify0002 wrote:
Omg another midfield player , and worse another loanee , is anyone thinking of long term stability and forward thinking . He's a decent player but what happens when the season ends, more uncertainty. I am aware it's till January for him but rather have bought one good striker than over fill midfield. Have to see how the boss uses them all
Cover for Stephens I guess
[quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: Omg another midfield player , and worse another loanee , is anyone thinking of long term stability and forward thinking . He's a decent player but what happens when the season ends, more uncertainty. I am aware it's till January for him but rather have bought one good striker than over fill midfield. Have to see how the boss uses them all[/p][/quote]Cover for Stephens I guess BobGear
  • Score: 8

11:58am Tue 26 Aug 14

BobGear says...

Cliify0002 wrote:
Omg another midfield player , and worse another loanee , is anyone thinking of long term stability and forward thinking . He's a decent player but what happens when the season ends, more uncertainty. I am aware it's till January for him but rather have bought one good striker than over fill midfield. Have to see how the boss uses them all
Cover for Stephens I guess
[quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: Omg another midfield player , and worse another loanee , is anyone thinking of long term stability and forward thinking . He's a decent player but what happens when the season ends, more uncertainty. I am aware it's till January for him but rather have bought one good striker than over fill midfield. Have to see how the boss uses them all[/p][/quote]Cover for Stephens I guess BobGear
  • Score: 1

12:18pm Tue 26 Aug 14

college says...

Sami got his hand on the tiller for new signings? whoever is doing it seems to have their priority's right, strong defence - midfield with scorers and passers, just need another one up front and we could be buzzing.
Cole is allegedly reported to be against a move to the championship so I don't think we'll be seeing him here. There are decent forwards out there all across Europe it just depends on how good Sami's and our scouts are, the next seven days look exciting.
As for the criticisms over loans, well why shouldn't we take advantage of a system that benefits us financially, the parent club for a possible 3rd choice to gain experience and the player himself as a shop window if he has doubts about making it at the parent club. Unless the player turns out to be a total prima donna like the two Gus got from Man city we win all round.
UTA
Sami got his hand on the tiller for new signings? whoever is doing it seems to have their priority's right, strong defence - midfield with scorers and passers, just need another one up front and we could be buzzing. Cole is allegedly reported to be against a move to the championship so I don't think we'll be seeing him here. There are decent forwards out there all across Europe it just depends on how good Sami's and our scouts are, the next seven days look exciting. As for the criticisms over loans, well why shouldn't we take advantage of a system that benefits us financially, the parent club for a possible 3rd choice to gain experience and the player himself as a shop window if he has doubts about making it at the parent club. Unless the player turns out to be a total prima donna like the two Gus got from Man city we win all round. UTA college
  • Score: 10

12:24pm Tue 26 Aug 14

tinker111 says...

brightonfan34 wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Carlton Cole and that will be it I reckon!
carlton cole could be going to bournemouth
good
[quote][p][bold]brightonfan34[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Carlton Cole and that will be it I reckon![/p][/quote]carlton cole could be going to bournemouth[/p][/quote]good tinker111
  • Score: 9

12:54pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Sid East Brighton says...

brightonup wrote:
Sid East Brighton wrote:
Cliify0002 wrote:
Omg another midfield player , and worse another loanee , is anyone thinking of long term stability and forward thinking . He's a decent player but what happens when the season ends, more uncertainty. I am aware it's till January for him but rather have bought one good striker than over fill midfield. Have to see how the boss uses them all
Just maybe there was'nt the quality of player available.Therfore loan players are brought in. Why worry about the season end, we have 9 months of this season left.
HE IS A WUM ON A FISHING TRIP. PLEASE DO NOT FEED!!!!!
Thanks brightonup. Sometimes difficult to spot the trolls
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sid East Brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: Omg another midfield player , and worse another loanee , is anyone thinking of long term stability and forward thinking . He's a decent player but what happens when the season ends, more uncertainty. I am aware it's till January for him but rather have bought one good striker than over fill midfield. Have to see how the boss uses them all[/p][/quote]Just maybe there was'nt the quality of player available.Therfore loan players are brought in. Why worry about the season end, we have 9 months of this season left.[/p][/quote]HE IS A WUM ON A FISHING TRIP. PLEASE DO NOT FEED!!!!![/p][/quote]Thanks brightonup. Sometimes difficult to spot the trolls Sid East Brighton
  • Score: -1

1:08pm Tue 26 Aug 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

Just noticed on Wiki that Gardner is 6ft. 2 " which is unusually tall for a midfielder so his extra height could be useful in set pieces.
Just noticed on Wiki that Gardner is 6ft. 2 " which is unusually tall for a midfielder so his extra height could be useful in set pieces. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 8

1:20pm Tue 26 Aug 14

edspells says...

we need a striker not another midfield has been,this loaness are just boring me
we need a striker not another midfield has been,this loaness are just boring me edspells
  • Score: -12

1:31pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Well I'll be says...

edspells wrote:
we need a striker not another midfield has been,this loaness are just boring me
At what age do you become a 'has-been' nowadays?

By the way, sort your grammar out; it is really starting to bore me!
[quote][p][bold]edspells[/bold] wrote: we need a striker not another midfield has been,this loaness are just boring me[/p][/quote]At what age do you become a 'has-been' nowadays? By the way, sort your grammar out; it is really starting to bore me! Well I'll be
  • Score: 9

1:39pm Tue 26 Aug 14

CiderBaz says...

Central midfield overload? You can have too many. Ince, Toko, Stephens, Agustien, Tex, Crofts, Holla, JFC, McCourt. Bruno played CM on Saturday, Garcia played March in CM. Need a balance between a settled team and rotation. Is this the right balance? This is more CMs than we have ever had by far. Is this quantity over quality?
Central midfield overload? You can have too many. Ince, Toko, Stephens, Agustien, Tex, Crofts, Holla, JFC, McCourt. Bruno played CM on Saturday, Garcia played March in CM. Need a balance between a settled team and rotation. Is this the right balance? This is more CMs than we have ever had by far. Is this quantity over quality? CiderBaz
  • Score: -7

1:46pm Tue 26 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Hyypia is clearly looking for players with good on ball ability, those that can work and create the spaces and also move the ball with accuracy, if Gardner is of this type would we not benefit from having him for the season rather than just until January? I wonder if we wanted a longer deal but couldn't get one.
Hyypia is clearly looking for players with good on ball ability, those that can work and create the spaces and also move the ball with accuracy, if Gardner is of this type would we not benefit from having him for the season rather than just until January? I wonder if we wanted a longer deal but couldn't get one. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 6

1:50pm Tue 26 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

CiderBaz wrote:
Central midfield overload? You can have too many. Ince, Toko, Stephens, Agustien, Tex, Crofts, Holla, JFC, McCourt. Bruno played CM on Saturday, Garcia played March in CM. Need a balance between a settled team and rotation. Is this the right balance? This is more CMs than we have ever had by far. Is this quantity over quality?
if you are going to start a match with five mid-field players, a combination of defensive, attacking and one capable of getting wide, do you not need at least a further four as cover and for rotation purposes?
[quote][p][bold]CiderBaz[/bold] wrote: Central midfield overload? You can have too many. Ince, Toko, Stephens, Agustien, Tex, Crofts, Holla, JFC, McCourt. Bruno played CM on Saturday, Garcia played March in CM. Need a balance between a settled team and rotation. Is this the right balance? This is more CMs than we have ever had by far. Is this quantity over quality?[/p][/quote]if you are going to start a match with five mid-field players, a combination of defensive, attacking and one capable of getting wide, do you not need at least a further four as cover and for rotation purposes? VegasSeagull
  • Score: 8

2:46pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Thatch527 says...

Another quality signing in Gary Gardner ....if he's as exciting as Joe Bennett also from Villa showed on Saturday that will do nicely ...no reason why loan players can't be signed permanently after a successful loan spell.
Another quality signing in Gary Gardner ....if he's as exciting as Joe Bennett also from Villa showed on Saturday that will do nicely ...no reason why loan players can't be signed permanently after a successful loan spell. Thatch527
  • Score: 11

3:26pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Carlton Cole and that will be it I reckon!
Ok so nobody wants Carlton Cole bar me then!!!
So if you turned the clock back then say 2 months and it was a straight choice between COG or Cole are you lot seriously telling me you would all choose COG?
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Carlton Cole and that will be it I reckon![/p][/quote]Ok so nobody wants Carlton Cole bar me then!!! So if you turned the clock back then say 2 months and it was a straight choice between COG or Cole are you lot seriously telling me you would all choose COG? Conelli98
  • Score: 2

3:27pm Tue 26 Aug 14

CiderBaz says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
CiderBaz wrote:
Central midfield overload? You can have too many. Ince, Toko, Stephens, Agustien, Tex, Crofts, Holla, JFC, McCourt. Bruno played CM on Saturday, Garcia played March in CM. Need a balance between a settled team and rotation. Is this the right balance? This is more CMs than we have ever had by far. Is this quantity over quality?
if you are going to start a match with five mid-field players, a combination of defensive, attacking and one capable of getting wide, do you not need at least a further four as cover and for rotation purposes?
Add KLL & Gardner - that makes 5 from 13 midfielders. Too many?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CiderBaz[/bold] wrote: Central midfield overload? You can have too many. Ince, Toko, Stephens, Agustien, Tex, Crofts, Holla, JFC, McCourt. Bruno played CM on Saturday, Garcia played March in CM. Need a balance between a settled team and rotation. Is this the right balance? This is more CMs than we have ever had by far. Is this quantity over quality?[/p][/quote]if you are going to start a match with five mid-field players, a combination of defensive, attacking and one capable of getting wide, do you not need at least a further four as cover and for rotation purposes?[/p][/quote]Add KLL & Gardner - that makes 5 from 13 midfielders. Too many? CiderBaz
  • Score: 3

3:29pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Neville says...

Thatch527
The reason loan players won,t be signed is because they are on PL wages and Brighton have a wage cap in place,unless of course the players are prepared to cut their salary.
Thatch527 The reason loan players won,t be signed is because they are on PL wages and Brighton have a wage cap in place,unless of course the players are prepared to cut their salary. Neville
  • Score: 4

3:37pm Tue 26 Aug 14

sussexram40 says...

Well, plenty of players coming in but all freebies.
This Gardner lad obviously has talent but is obviously injury prone. The wily foxes named Lambert and Keane wouldn't be letting him go on loan if they thought he could do a job for Villa this season.
Well, plenty of players coming in but all freebies. This Gardner lad obviously has talent but is obviously injury prone. The wily foxes named Lambert and Keane wouldn't be letting him go on loan if they thought he could do a job for Villa this season. sussexram40
  • Score: -11

3:56pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Well, plenty of players coming in but all freebies.
This Gardner lad obviously has talent but is obviously injury prone. The wily foxes named Lambert and Keane wouldn't be letting him go on loan if they thought he could do a job for Villa this season.
The loan system works in other ways. Maybe Villa see this lad as potential first team material and want him to get game time at a quality level with the view to taking him back in January. If he does really well it'll be to our detriment and he'll be gone. Lambert and Keane aren't stupid. UTA
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Well, plenty of players coming in but all freebies. This Gardner lad obviously has talent but is obviously injury prone. The wily foxes named Lambert and Keane wouldn't be letting him go on loan if they thought he could do a job for Villa this season.[/p][/quote]The loan system works in other ways. Maybe Villa see this lad as potential first team material and want him to get game time at a quality level with the view to taking him back in January. If he does really well it'll be to our detriment and he'll be gone. Lambert and Keane aren't stupid. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 5

3:58pm Tue 26 Aug 14

JeffLomer says...

I live in Leeds the word is Oscar has left his post to take up the managers job at Elland road with Hockaday as his assistant, don't shoot the messenger just passing on what I've been told!!
I live in Leeds the word is Oscar has left his post to take up the managers job at Elland road with Hockaday as his assistant, don't shoot the messenger just passing on what I've been told!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -4

3:58pm Tue 26 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

CiderBaz wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
CiderBaz wrote:
Central midfield overload? You can have too many. Ince, Toko, Stephens, Agustien, Tex, Crofts, Holla, JFC, McCourt. Bruno played CM on Saturday, Garcia played March in CM. Need a balance between a settled team and rotation. Is this the right balance? This is more CMs than we have ever had by far. Is this quantity over quality?
if you are going to start a match with five mid-field players, a combination of defensive, attacking and one capable of getting wide, do you not need at least a further four as cover and for rotation purposes?
Add KLL & Gardner - that makes 5 from 13 midfielders. Too many?
But as of right now both Stephens and March are out and we are not sure when they will return. Bruno might be playing in mid-field today but tomorrow might see him at right back, the 13 figure may be true in math, but in terms of our needs on any given day it could be a false figure.
[quote][p][bold]CiderBaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CiderBaz[/bold] wrote: Central midfield overload? You can have too many. Ince, Toko, Stephens, Agustien, Tex, Crofts, Holla, JFC, McCourt. Bruno played CM on Saturday, Garcia played March in CM. Need a balance between a settled team and rotation. Is this the right balance? This is more CMs than we have ever had by far. Is this quantity over quality?[/p][/quote]if you are going to start a match with five mid-field players, a combination of defensive, attacking and one capable of getting wide, do you not need at least a further four as cover and for rotation purposes?[/p][/quote]Add KLL & Gardner - that makes 5 from 13 midfielders. Too many?[/p][/quote]But as of right now both Stephens and March are out and we are not sure when they will return. Bruno might be playing in mid-field today but tomorrow might see him at right back, the 13 figure may be true in math, but in terms of our needs on any given day it could be a false figure. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

4:39pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Alfie T says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
CiderBaz wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
CiderBaz wrote:
Central midfield overload? You can have too many. Ince, Toko, Stephens, Agustien, Tex, Crofts, Holla, JFC, McCourt. Bruno played CM on Saturday, Garcia played March in CM. Need a balance between a settled team and rotation. Is this the right balance? This is more CMs than we have ever had by far. Is this quantity over quality?
if you are going to start a match with five mid-field players, a combination of defensive, attacking and one capable of getting wide, do you not need at least a further four as cover and for rotation purposes?
Add KLL & Gardner - that makes 5 from 13 midfielders. Too many?
But as of right now both Stephens and March are out and we are not sure when they will return. Bruno might be playing in mid-field today but tomorrow might see him at right back, the 13 figure may be true in math, but in terms of our needs on any given day it could be a false figure.
Up Up and away in my beautiful balloon......
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CiderBaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CiderBaz[/bold] wrote: Central midfield overload? You can have too many. Ince, Toko, Stephens, Agustien, Tex, Crofts, Holla, JFC, McCourt. Bruno played CM on Saturday, Garcia played March in CM. Need a balance between a settled team and rotation. Is this the right balance? This is more CMs than we have ever had by far. Is this quantity over quality?[/p][/quote]if you are going to start a match with five mid-field players, a combination of defensive, attacking and one capable of getting wide, do you not need at least a further four as cover and for rotation purposes?[/p][/quote]Add KLL & Gardner - that makes 5 from 13 midfielders. Too many?[/p][/quote]But as of right now both Stephens and March are out and we are not sure when they will return. Bruno might be playing in mid-field today but tomorrow might see him at right back, the 13 figure may be true in math, but in terms of our needs on any given day it could be a false figure.[/p][/quote]Up Up and away in my beautiful balloon...... Alfie T
  • Score: 10

5:03pm Tue 26 Aug 14

mikeygit says...

With all these new players and those already here one wonders who is going to get a game?? Interesting teams to come. PLus IF another striker comes in. Who would have thought a couple of weeks ago we would have been in this position??
With all these new players and those already here one wonders who is going to get a game?? Interesting teams to come. PLus IF another striker comes in. Who would have thought a couple of weeks ago we would have been in this position?? mikeygit
  • Score: 2

5:04pm Tue 26 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
CiderBaz wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
CiderBaz wrote:
Central midfield overload? You can have too many. Ince, Toko, Stephens, Agustien, Tex, Crofts, Holla, JFC, McCourt. Bruno played CM on Saturday, Garcia played March in CM. Need a balance between a settled team and rotation. Is this the right balance? This is more CMs than we have ever had by far. Is this quantity over quality?
if you are going to start a match with five mid-field players, a combination of defensive, attacking and one capable of getting wide, do you not need at least a further four as cover and for rotation purposes?
Add KLL & Gardner - that makes 5 from 13 midfielders. Too many?
But as of right now both Stephens and March are out and we are not sure when they will return. Bruno might be playing in mid-field today but tomorrow might see him at right back, the 13 figure may be true in math, but in terms of our needs on any given day it could be a false figure.
Hi Vegas and CiderBazI thought I might join your debate. I reckon SH knows what he is doing and has got his midfield options about right even allowing for CiderBaz's list of 12 players to choose from if one adds Gardner.
Starting from the front supporting the main striker from wide but slightly deeper positions SH has in the last 2 matches featured Teixeira, Agustein and Crofts with LuaLua coming off the bench. SH said he would have played March up there against Wednesday but for his injury but ended up playing Fenelon instead.
Moving back there are Holla, Ince and Toko all vying for the Defensive Midfielder role.
That leaves us with McCourt JFC, Gardner and the currently injured Stephens to compete for the other two CM slots. I know Bruno has been playing there but I feel the team would be better served if Bruno reverted to RB where his superior passing would be more effective than Calde's.
Obviously Crofts could be deployed in CM in the same way that McCourt could be utilised in the wide front role.
Basically SH has about 2 players for each position.
In terms of further recruitment that just leaves the Albion needing a quality striker and 6 days in which to sign one before the Window closes.
Personally I wouldn't object to another out and out winger in the LuaLua and Buckley mould being signed. Another possibility is a CB since I am unsure of how SH views Maksimenko and we fans haven't really seem him playing to be able to assess his readiness for the squad - as we saw in the play-offs 3 CBs are not sufficient.
Back to subject. the midfielders that SH has brought in have added significantly to the team's creativity which was noticeably missing last season and much needed if we want to be really go for promotion.
I therefore welcome all these recent additions.
Onwards and Upwards with SH.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CiderBaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CiderBaz[/bold] wrote: Central midfield overload? You can have too many. Ince, Toko, Stephens, Agustien, Tex, Crofts, Holla, JFC, McCourt. Bruno played CM on Saturday, Garcia played March in CM. Need a balance between a settled team and rotation. Is this the right balance? This is more CMs than we have ever had by far. Is this quantity over quality?[/p][/quote]if you are going to start a match with five mid-field players, a combination of defensive, attacking and one capable of getting wide, do you not need at least a further four as cover and for rotation purposes?[/p][/quote]Add KLL & Gardner - that makes 5 from 13 midfielders. Too many?[/p][/quote]But as of right now both Stephens and March are out and we are not sure when they will return. Bruno might be playing in mid-field today but tomorrow might see him at right back, the 13 figure may be true in math, but in terms of our needs on any given day it could be a false figure.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas and CiderBazI thought I might join your debate. I reckon SH knows what he is doing and has got his midfield options about right even allowing for CiderBaz's list of 12 players to choose from if one adds Gardner. Starting from the front supporting the main striker from wide but slightly deeper positions SH has in the last 2 matches featured Teixeira, Agustein and Crofts with LuaLua coming off the bench. SH said he would have played March up there against Wednesday but for his injury but ended up playing Fenelon instead. Moving back there are Holla, Ince and Toko all vying for the Defensive Midfielder role. That leaves us with McCourt JFC, Gardner and the currently injured Stephens to compete for the other two CM slots. I know Bruno has been playing there but I feel the team would be better served if Bruno reverted to RB where his superior passing would be more effective than Calde's. Obviously Crofts could be deployed in CM in the same way that McCourt could be utilised in the wide front role. Basically SH has about 2 players for each position. In terms of further recruitment that just leaves the Albion needing a quality striker and 6 days in which to sign one before the Window closes. Personally I wouldn't object to another out and out winger in the LuaLua and Buckley mould being signed. Another possibility is a CB since I am unsure of how SH views Maksimenko and we fans haven't really seem him playing to be able to assess his readiness for the squad - as we saw in the play-offs 3 CBs are not sufficient. Back to subject. the midfielders that SH has brought in have added significantly to the team's creativity which was noticeably missing last season and much needed if we want to be really go for promotion. I therefore welcome all these recent additions. Onwards and Upwards with SH. ballantrrae
  • Score: 6

5:09pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

up here, Gary was always regarded as a more skilful player than his brother Craig and he's the type of ball player who should work well in the Championship.
And to the person who says that if he does well, he'll return to Villa to the detriment of ourselves, I'd say two things. Firstly, he can't be recalled until January and secondly, because he's here until then, we'll have four months worth of Premier League option. I don't see that as detrimental.
Finally, note to Andy Naylor, his brother actually joined WBA in the summer. oops.
up here, Gary was always regarded as a more skilful player than his brother Craig and he's the type of ball player who should work well in the Championship. And to the person who says that if he does well, he'll return to Villa to the detriment of ourselves, I'd say two things. Firstly, he can't be recalled until January and secondly, because he's here until then, we'll have four months worth of Premier League option. I don't see that as detrimental. Finally, note to Andy Naylor, his brother actually joined WBA in the summer. oops. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 9

5:09pm Tue 26 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

ballantrrae wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
CiderBaz wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
CiderBaz wrote:
Central midfield overload? You can have too many. Ince, Toko, Stephens, Agustien, Tex, Crofts, Holla, JFC, McCourt. Bruno played CM on Saturday, Garcia played March in CM. Need a balance between a settled team and rotation. Is this the right balance? This is more CMs than we have ever had by far. Is this quantity over quality?
if you are going to start a match with five mid-field players, a combination of defensive, attacking and one capable of getting wide, do you not need at least a further four as cover and for rotation purposes?
Add KLL & Gardner - that makes 5 from 13 midfielders. Too many?
But as of right now both Stephens and March are out and we are not sure when they will return. Bruno might be playing in mid-field today but tomorrow might see him at right back, the 13 figure may be true in math, but in terms of our needs on any given day it could be a false figure.
Hi Vegas and CiderBazI thought I might join your debate. I reckon SH knows what he is doing and has got his midfield options about right even allowing for CiderBaz's list of 12 players to choose from if one adds Gardner.
Starting from the front supporting the main striker from wide but slightly deeper positions SH has in the last 2 matches featured Teixeira, Agustein and Crofts with LuaLua coming off the bench. SH said he would have played March up there against Wednesday but for his injury but ended up playing Fenelon instead.
Moving back there are Holla, Ince and Toko all vying for the Defensive Midfielder role.
That leaves us with McCourt JFC, Gardner and the currently injured Stephens to compete for the other two CM slots. I know Bruno has been playing there but I feel the team would be better served if Bruno reverted to RB where his superior passing would be more effective than Calde's.
Obviously Crofts could be deployed in CM in the same way that McCourt could be utilised in the wide front role.
Basically SH has about 2 players for each position.
In terms of further recruitment that just leaves the Albion needing a quality striker and 6 days in which to sign one before the Window closes.
Personally I wouldn't object to another out and out winger in the LuaLua and Buckley mould being signed. Another possibility is a CB since I am unsure of how SH views Maksimenko and we fans haven't really seem him playing to be able to assess his readiness for the squad - as we saw in the play-offs 3 CBs are not sufficient.
Back to subject. the midfielders that SH has brought in have added significantly to the team's creativity which was noticeably missing last season and much needed if we want to be really go for promotion.
I therefore welcome all these recent additions.
Onwards and Upwards with SH.
Should read 'want to really go for promotion' - apologies.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CiderBaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CiderBaz[/bold] wrote: Central midfield overload? You can have too many. Ince, Toko, Stephens, Agustien, Tex, Crofts, Holla, JFC, McCourt. Bruno played CM on Saturday, Garcia played March in CM. Need a balance between a settled team and rotation. Is this the right balance? This is more CMs than we have ever had by far. Is this quantity over quality?[/p][/quote]if you are going to start a match with five mid-field players, a combination of defensive, attacking and one capable of getting wide, do you not need at least a further four as cover and for rotation purposes?[/p][/quote]Add KLL & Gardner - that makes 5 from 13 midfielders. Too many?[/p][/quote]But as of right now both Stephens and March are out and we are not sure when they will return. Bruno might be playing in mid-field today but tomorrow might see him at right back, the 13 figure may be true in math, but in terms of our needs on any given day it could be a false figure.[/p][/quote]Hi Vegas and CiderBazI thought I might join your debate. I reckon SH knows what he is doing and has got his midfield options about right even allowing for CiderBaz's list of 12 players to choose from if one adds Gardner. Starting from the front supporting the main striker from wide but slightly deeper positions SH has in the last 2 matches featured Teixeira, Agustein and Crofts with LuaLua coming off the bench. SH said he would have played March up there against Wednesday but for his injury but ended up playing Fenelon instead. Moving back there are Holla, Ince and Toko all vying for the Defensive Midfielder role. That leaves us with McCourt JFC, Gardner and the currently injured Stephens to compete for the other two CM slots. I know Bruno has been playing there but I feel the team would be better served if Bruno reverted to RB where his superior passing would be more effective than Calde's. Obviously Crofts could be deployed in CM in the same way that McCourt could be utilised in the wide front role. Basically SH has about 2 players for each position. In terms of further recruitment that just leaves the Albion needing a quality striker and 6 days in which to sign one before the Window closes. Personally I wouldn't object to another out and out winger in the LuaLua and Buckley mould being signed. Another possibility is a CB since I am unsure of how SH views Maksimenko and we fans haven't really seem him playing to be able to assess his readiness for the squad - as we saw in the play-offs 3 CBs are not sufficient. Back to subject. the midfielders that SH has brought in have added significantly to the team's creativity which was noticeably missing last season and much needed if we want to be really go for promotion. I therefore welcome all these recent additions. Onwards and Upwards with SH.[/p][/quote]Should read 'want to really go for promotion' - apologies. ballantrrae
  • Score: 2

5:11pm Tue 26 Aug 14

pjwilk says...

Conelli98 wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
Carlton Cole and that will be it I reckon!
Ok so nobody wants Carlton Cole bar me then!!!
So if you turned the clock back then say 2 months and it was a straight choice between COG or Cole are you lot seriously telling me you would all choose COG?
I want Carlton Cole,a good header of the ball and would score a hat full of goals in the Championship.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: Carlton Cole and that will be it I reckon![/p][/quote]Ok so nobody wants Carlton Cole bar me then!!! So if you turned the clock back then say 2 months and it was a straight choice between COG or Cole are you lot seriously telling me you would all choose COG?[/p][/quote]I want Carlton Cole,a good header of the ball and would score a hat full of goals in the Championship. pjwilk
  • Score: 2

5:24pm Tue 26 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
up here, Gary was always regarded as a more skilful player than his brother Craig and he's the type of ball player who should work well in the Championship.
And to the person who says that if he does well, he'll return to Villa to the detriment of ourselves, I'd say two things. Firstly, he can't be recalled until January and secondly, because he's here until then, we'll have four months worth of Premier League option. I don't see that as detrimental.
Finally, note to Andy Naylor, his brother actually joined WBA in the summer. oops.
Hi Staffs.
Not saying you are wrong but, I thought only those on a season long loan deal were exempt from being recalled, this lad was recalled last season when out on loan was he not?

Hi Ballantrrae.
Well you have got the creative mid-field player you have been hoping we would get, I am yet to see another CB arrive, something I have been thinking we need for some time now.
Maksi, so hard to work out Hyypia's thinking on this player, is he cover for the CB's, and extra cover for left back or simply a player seeing out his contract so possibly one to go out on loan.
Hyypia has hinted that a further striker might come in, if this happens does Fenelon become another to go out on loan?
Nothing new on the Irish lad, new one way or the other, so are we still in with a shout of getting him and if we do, is he bound for the DS or the senior squad.

Seems to me that there yet more developments to come before both windows close.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: up here, Gary was always regarded as a more skilful player than his brother Craig and he's the type of ball player who should work well in the Championship. And to the person who says that if he does well, he'll return to Villa to the detriment of ourselves, I'd say two things. Firstly, he can't be recalled until January and secondly, because he's here until then, we'll have four months worth of Premier League option. I don't see that as detrimental. Finally, note to Andy Naylor, his brother actually joined WBA in the summer. oops.[/p][/quote]Hi Staffs. Not saying you are wrong but, I thought only those on a season long loan deal were exempt from being recalled, this lad was recalled last season when out on loan was he not? Hi Ballantrrae. Well you have got the creative mid-field player you have been hoping we would get, I am yet to see another CB arrive, something I have been thinking we need for some time now. Maksi, so hard to work out Hyypia's thinking on this player, is he cover for the CB's, and extra cover for left back or simply a player seeing out his contract so possibly one to go out on loan. Hyypia has hinted that a further striker might come in, if this happens does Fenelon become another to go out on loan? Nothing new on the Irish lad, new one way or the other, so are we still in with a shout of getting him and if we do, is he bound for the DS or the senior squad. Seems to me that there yet more developments to come before both windows close. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

5:33pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
up here, Gary was always regarded as a more skilful player than his brother Craig and he's the type of ball player who should work well in the Championship.
And to the person who says that if he does well, he'll return to Villa to the detriment of ourselves, I'd say two things. Firstly, he can't be recalled until January and secondly, because he's here until then, we'll have four months worth of Premier League option. I don't see that as detrimental.
Finally, note to Andy Naylor, his brother actually joined WBA in the summer. oops.
Hi Staffs.
Not saying you are wrong but, I thought only those on a season long loan deal were exempt from being recalled, this lad was recalled last season when out on loan was he not?

Hi Ballantrrae.
Well you have got the creative mid-field player you have been hoping we would get, I am yet to see another CB arrive, something I have been thinking we need for some time now.
Maksi, so hard to work out Hyypia's thinking on this player, is he cover for the CB's, and extra cover for left back or simply a player seeing out his contract so possibly one to go out on loan.
Hyypia has hinted that a further striker might come in, if this happens does Fenelon become another to go out on loan?
Nothing new on the Irish lad, new one way or the other, so are we still in with a shout of getting him and if we do, is he bound for the DS or the senior squad.

Seems to me that there yet more developments to come before both windows close.
Vegas,
Naturally I hate admitting it, but there's always a chance I'm wrong!
However, my understanding is that you can terminate an outfield player's loan early if there's written agreement between the two clubs. But, 28 days has to elapse before that can happen and the recall can only be made within a transfer window. Therefore I deduce that after 28 days has elapsed he's here until January 1st come what may..
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: up here, Gary was always regarded as a more skilful player than his brother Craig and he's the type of ball player who should work well in the Championship. And to the person who says that if he does well, he'll return to Villa to the detriment of ourselves, I'd say two things. Firstly, he can't be recalled until January and secondly, because he's here until then, we'll have four months worth of Premier League option. I don't see that as detrimental. Finally, note to Andy Naylor, his brother actually joined WBA in the summer. oops.[/p][/quote]Hi Staffs. Not saying you are wrong but, I thought only those on a season long loan deal were exempt from being recalled, this lad was recalled last season when out on loan was he not? Hi Ballantrrae. Well you have got the creative mid-field player you have been hoping we would get, I am yet to see another CB arrive, something I have been thinking we need for some time now. Maksi, so hard to work out Hyypia's thinking on this player, is he cover for the CB's, and extra cover for left back or simply a player seeing out his contract so possibly one to go out on loan. Hyypia has hinted that a further striker might come in, if this happens does Fenelon become another to go out on loan? Nothing new on the Irish lad, new one way or the other, so are we still in with a shout of getting him and if we do, is he bound for the DS or the senior squad. Seems to me that there yet more developments to come before both windows close.[/p][/quote]Vegas, Naturally I hate admitting it, but there's always a chance I'm wrong! However, my understanding is that you can terminate an outfield player's loan early if there's written agreement between the two clubs. But, 28 days has to elapse before that can happen and the recall can only be made within a transfer window. Therefore I deduce that after 28 days has elapsed he's here until January 1st come what may.. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

5:46pm Tue 26 Aug 14

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
up here, Gary was always regarded as a more skilful player than his brother Craig and he's the type of ball player who should work well in the Championship.
And to the person who says that if he does well, he'll return to Villa to the detriment of ourselves, I'd say two things. Firstly, he can't be recalled until January and secondly, because he's here until then, we'll have four months worth of Premier League option. I don't see that as detrimental.
Finally, note to Andy Naylor, his brother actually joined WBA in the summer. oops.
Hi Staffs.
Not saying you are wrong but, I thought only those on a season long loan deal were exempt from being recalled, this lad was recalled last season when out on loan was he not?

Hi Ballantrrae.
Well you have got the creative mid-field player you have been hoping we would get, I am yet to see another CB arrive, something I have been thinking we need for some time now.
Maksi, so hard to work out Hyypia's thinking on this player, is he cover for the CB's, and extra cover for left back or simply a player seeing out his contract so possibly one to go out on loan.
Hyypia has hinted that a further striker might come in, if this happens does Fenelon become another to go out on loan?
Nothing new on the Irish lad, new one way or the other, so are we still in with a shout of getting him and if we do, is he bound for the DS or the senior squad.

Seems to me that there yet more developments to come before both windows close.
Vegas,
Naturally I hate admitting it, but there's always a chance I'm wrong!
However, my understanding is that you can terminate an outfield player's loan early if there's written agreement between the two clubs. But, 28 days has to elapse before that can happen and the recall can only be made within a transfer window. Therefore I deduce that after 28 days has elapsed he's here until January 1st come what may..
Yeah you are probably correct, my comment was just a thought, nothing more.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: up here, Gary was always regarded as a more skilful player than his brother Craig and he's the type of ball player who should work well in the Championship. And to the person who says that if he does well, he'll return to Villa to the detriment of ourselves, I'd say two things. Firstly, he can't be recalled until January and secondly, because he's here until then, we'll have four months worth of Premier League option. I don't see that as detrimental. Finally, note to Andy Naylor, his brother actually joined WBA in the summer. oops.[/p][/quote]Hi Staffs. Not saying you are wrong but, I thought only those on a season long loan deal were exempt from being recalled, this lad was recalled last season when out on loan was he not? Hi Ballantrrae. Well you have got the creative mid-field player you have been hoping we would get, I am yet to see another CB arrive, something I have been thinking we need for some time now. Maksi, so hard to work out Hyypia's thinking on this player, is he cover for the CB's, and extra cover for left back or simply a player seeing out his contract so possibly one to go out on loan. Hyypia has hinted that a further striker might come in, if this happens does Fenelon become another to go out on loan? Nothing new on the Irish lad, new one way or the other, so are we still in with a shout of getting him and if we do, is he bound for the DS or the senior squad. Seems to me that there yet more developments to come before both windows close.[/p][/quote]Vegas, Naturally I hate admitting it, but there's always a chance I'm wrong! However, my understanding is that you can terminate an outfield player's loan early if there's written agreement between the two clubs. But, 28 days has to elapse before that can happen and the recall can only be made within a transfer window. Therefore I deduce that after 28 days has elapsed he's here until January 1st come what may..[/p][/quote]Yeah you are probably correct, my comment was just a thought, nothing more. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 2

5:47pm Tue 26 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Well, plenty of players coming in but all freebies.
This Gardner lad obviously has talent but is obviously injury prone. The wily foxes named Lambert and Keane wouldn't be letting him go on loan if they thought he could do a job for Villa this season.
sussexram40 a question. If you had to choose between 2 players of equal ability and one costs a substantial fee and the other is a 'freebie' which would you select ?
As far as I am concerned, so long as BHA are acquiring quality players in the positions SH wants and feels is needed I am happy. How much a player costs is not the real issue but whether he has the ability we seek.. Paying a lot of money for a player doesn't guarantee he will deliver witness Liverpool forking out £35 million for Carroll.
Two other points.
Firstly BHA have a whole bunch of players (mainly defenders) who will be out of contract at the end of the season or whose loans will have expired who will either need replacing or resigning.
The list includes Ankergren, Bruno, Calde, GG, Hughes, Maksimenko, Chicksen, Bennett, Agustein, Crofts, LuaLua, McCourt, Teixeira, Gardner (1 Jan 2015) and CMS. That represents an even bigger rebuilding exercise than we are experiencing at the moment.
Secondly FFP sanctions will be levied for the first time at the end of this calendar year. The Albion should have quite a significant 'war chest'
left available to be able to take advantage of this by snapping up any bargains that might as a result come on to the transfer market. If we have used up all the proceeds from the sales of Ulloa, Bridcutt and Buckley we would be less able to pursue such a strategy. Therefore by signing players on economic terms/low fees now the club is potentially
placing itself in an excellent position to deal from strength in the next couple of Windows. All credit to the 3 Bloom, Barber, Burke and Hyypia if they pull this strategy off.
UTA.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Well, plenty of players coming in but all freebies. This Gardner lad obviously has talent but is obviously injury prone. The wily foxes named Lambert and Keane wouldn't be letting him go on loan if they thought he could do a job for Villa this season.[/p][/quote]sussexram40 a question. If you had to choose between 2 players of equal ability and one costs a substantial fee and the other is a 'freebie' which would you select ? As far as I am concerned, so long as BHA are acquiring quality players in the positions SH wants and feels is needed I am happy. How much a player costs is not the real issue but whether he has the ability we seek.. Paying a lot of money for a player doesn't guarantee he will deliver witness Liverpool forking out £35 million for Carroll. Two other points. Firstly BHA have a whole bunch of players (mainly defenders) who will be out of contract at the end of the season or whose loans will have expired who will either need replacing or resigning. The list includes Ankergren, Bruno, Calde, GG, Hughes, Maksimenko, Chicksen, Bennett, Agustein, Crofts, LuaLua, McCourt, Teixeira, Gardner (1 Jan 2015) and CMS. That represents an even bigger rebuilding exercise than we are experiencing at the moment. Secondly FFP sanctions will be levied for the first time at the end of this calendar year. The Albion should have quite a significant 'war chest' left available to be able to take advantage of this by snapping up any bargains that might as a result come on to the transfer market. If we have used up all the proceeds from the sales of Ulloa, Bridcutt and Buckley we would be less able to pursue such a strategy. Therefore by signing players on economic terms/low fees now the club is potentially placing itself in an excellent position to deal from strength in the next couple of Windows. All credit to the 3 Bloom, Barber, Burke and Hyypia if they pull this strategy off. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 7

5:55pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
up here, Gary was always regarded as a more skilful player than his brother Craig and he's the type of ball player who should work well in the Championship.
And to the person who says that if he does well, he'll return to Villa to the detriment of ourselves, I'd say two things. Firstly, he can't be recalled until January and secondly, because he's here until then, we'll have four months worth of Premier League option. I don't see that as detrimental.
Finally, note to Andy Naylor, his brother actually joined WBA in the summer. oops.
Hi Staffs.
Not saying you are wrong but, I thought only those on a season long loan deal were exempt from being recalled, this lad was recalled last season when out on loan was he not?

Hi Ballantrrae.
Well you have got the creative mid-field player you have been hoping we would get, I am yet to see another CB arrive, something I have been thinking we need for some time now.
Maksi, so hard to work out Hyypia's thinking on this player, is he cover for the CB's, and extra cover for left back or simply a player seeing out his contract so possibly one to go out on loan.
Hyypia has hinted that a further striker might come in, if this happens does Fenelon become another to go out on loan?
Nothing new on the Irish lad, new one way or the other, so are we still in with a shout of getting him and if we do, is he bound for the DS or the senior squad.

Seems to me that there yet more developments to come before both windows close.
Vegas,
Naturally I hate admitting it, but there's always a chance I'm wrong!
However, my understanding is that you can terminate an outfield player's loan early if there's written agreement between the two clubs. But, 28 days has to elapse before that can happen and the recall can only be made within a transfer window. Therefore I deduce that after 28 days has elapsed he's here until January 1st come what may..
Yeah you are probably correct, my comment was just a thought, nothing more.
Moot point anyway. I only made it because I can't see the downside to his arrival.
How the temporary presence of a highly rated Premier League player can be regarded as 'detrimental' is beyond me - even if he does have to go back.
A win-win for us and I'd suggest that tonight there'll be a few fans of rival clubs who'll be saying: 'Why didn't we make a move for him?"
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: up here, Gary was always regarded as a more skilful player than his brother Craig and he's the type of ball player who should work well in the Championship. And to the person who says that if he does well, he'll return to Villa to the detriment of ourselves, I'd say two things. Firstly, he can't be recalled until January and secondly, because he's here until then, we'll have four months worth of Premier League option. I don't see that as detrimental. Finally, note to Andy Naylor, his brother actually joined WBA in the summer. oops.[/p][/quote]Hi Staffs. Not saying you are wrong but, I thought only those on a season long loan deal were exempt from being recalled, this lad was recalled last season when out on loan was he not? Hi Ballantrrae. Well you have got the creative mid-field player you have been hoping we would get, I am yet to see another CB arrive, something I have been thinking we need for some time now. Maksi, so hard to work out Hyypia's thinking on this player, is he cover for the CB's, and extra cover for left back or simply a player seeing out his contract so possibly one to go out on loan. Hyypia has hinted that a further striker might come in, if this happens does Fenelon become another to go out on loan? Nothing new on the Irish lad, new one way or the other, so are we still in with a shout of getting him and if we do, is he bound for the DS or the senior squad. Seems to me that there yet more developments to come before both windows close.[/p][/quote]Vegas, Naturally I hate admitting it, but there's always a chance I'm wrong! However, my understanding is that you can terminate an outfield player's loan early if there's written agreement between the two clubs. But, 28 days has to elapse before that can happen and the recall can only be made within a transfer window. Therefore I deduce that after 28 days has elapsed he's here until January 1st come what may..[/p][/quote]Yeah you are probably correct, my comment was just a thought, nothing more.[/p][/quote]Moot point anyway. I only made it because I can't see the downside to his arrival. How the temporary presence of a highly rated Premier League player can be regarded as 'detrimental' is beyond me - even if he does have to go back. A win-win for us and I'd suggest that tonight there'll be a few fans of rival clubs who'll be saying: 'Why didn't we make a move for him?" Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

6:03pm Tue 26 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Well, plenty of players coming in but all freebies.
This Gardner lad obviously has talent but is obviously injury prone. The wily foxes named Lambert and Keane wouldn't be letting him go on loan if they thought he could do a job for Villa this season.
sussexram40 further to my previous post I wonder if Gardner might possibly (I admit unlikely) be on a loan to buy option.
It occurs to me that given his recent injury track record that, rather as we did a few years back with LuaLua, we would want to double check Gardner's fitness levels before paying any transfer fee, hence the loan until 1 January 2015. At which point we could make him a permanent signing assuming we want to proceed. Certainly it would seem to be a sensible precaution to take if that is our intention.
Just a thought
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Well, plenty of players coming in but all freebies. This Gardner lad obviously has talent but is obviously injury prone. The wily foxes named Lambert and Keane wouldn't be letting him go on loan if they thought he could do a job for Villa this season.[/p][/quote]sussexram40 further to my previous post I wonder if Gardner might possibly (I admit unlikely) be on a loan to buy option. It occurs to me that given his recent injury track record that, rather as we did a few years back with LuaLua, we would want to double check Gardner's fitness levels before paying any transfer fee, hence the loan until 1 January 2015. At which point we could make him a permanent signing assuming we want to proceed. Certainly it would seem to be a sensible precaution to take if that is our intention. Just a thought ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

6:11pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Chi Gull says...

If Sami has not liked the look of one or two squad players, like say Toko and Agustein, there is the option to loan one or two out. We need to wait a couple of weeks to see how things settle down, but I would rather have too many at this stage than too few. This guy looks like a good prospect who's career has been blighted by injury, so a loan is a sensible option. Villa obviously rate him or they wouldn't have offered him a new 2 yr deal.
If Sami has not liked the look of one or two squad players, like say Toko and Agustein, there is the option to loan one or two out. We need to wait a couple of weeks to see how things settle down, but I would rather have too many at this stage than too few. This guy looks like a good prospect who's career has been blighted by injury, so a loan is a sensible option. Villa obviously rate him or they wouldn't have offered him a new 2 yr deal. Chi Gull
  • Score: 3

7:38pm Tue 26 Aug 14

tez1959 says...

i can tell you who can wear the no 9 shirt tom pope from port vale 6ft 3 powerhouse cms would feed off him he might get his 30 goals this season then come on sami sign him
i can tell you who can wear the no 9 shirt tom pope from port vale 6ft 3 powerhouse cms would feed off him he might get his 30 goals this season then come on sami sign him tez1959
  • Score: 2

7:38pm Tue 26 Aug 14

dave from bexill says...

ballantrrae wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
Well, plenty of players coming in but all freebies.
This Gardner lad obviously has talent but is obviously injury prone. The wily foxes named Lambert and Keane wouldn't be letting him go on loan if they thought he could do a job for Villa this season.
sussexram40 a question. If you had to choose between 2 players of equal ability and one costs a substantial fee and the other is a 'freebie' which would you select ?
As far as I am concerned, so long as BHA are acquiring quality players in the positions SH wants and feels is needed I am happy. How much a player costs is not the real issue but whether he has the ability we seek.. Paying a lot of money for a player doesn't guarantee he will deliver witness Liverpool forking out £35 million for Carroll.
Two other points.
Firstly BHA have a whole bunch of players (mainly defenders) who will be out of contract at the end of the season or whose loans will have expired who will either need replacing or resigning.
The list includes Ankergren, Bruno, Calde, GG, Hughes, Maksimenko, Chicksen, Bennett, Agustein, Crofts, LuaLua, McCourt, Teixeira, Gardner (1 Jan 2015) and CMS. That represents an even bigger rebuilding exercise than we are experiencing at the moment.
Secondly FFP sanctions will be levied for the first time at the end of this calendar year. The Albion should have quite a significant 'war chest'
left available to be able to take advantage of this by snapping up any bargains that might as a result come on to the transfer market. If we have used up all the proceeds from the sales of Ulloa, Bridcutt and Buckley we would be less able to pursue such a strategy. Therefore by signing players on economic terms/low fees now the club is potentially
placing itself in an excellent position to deal from strength in the next couple of Windows. All credit to the 3 Bloom, Barber, Burke and Hyypia if they pull this strategy off.
UTA.
ballanttrae, you make some insightful observations above, particularly I think regarding FFP and players contracts coming to an end at the end of the current season. In relation to the loan system, it can certainly work for championship clubs and Div one/Div two sides. Gardner would seem to be a good example of this. A well thought of young player, who would seem to have a good career ahead of him but needs to be playing games, particularly because of his lost time through serious injury. Should therefore suit all parties, in particular us, as we seem to be getting a talented, exciting player, who's salary, in part at least, will I think be met by his parent club.
However and conversely, I am, (like Arsene Wenger and other respected football figure) against loans between premiership clubs, for all sorts of reasons. I'm also concerned in respect of what seems a growing trend in 'third party ownership' a la Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano, likely to become more prevalent with the growing number of Latin American players (as good as they are) coming to play in England. I'm getting on a bit now, so I suppose I'm getting a bit conservative (please note the small c in conservative) in my ways regarding too many changes in the great game.
Incidently, I agree with Vegas regarding another CB. I like the three we have, but am concerned what will happen if and when we get injuries and suspensions. Another striker, would be good, but not entirely sure yet what type Sami wants and much may depend on how well Colunga fits in with CMS and Teixeira and not forgetting COG. Exciting times again (we all hope) I wonder who we'll get in the next round of the Capital Cup!
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Well, plenty of players coming in but all freebies. This Gardner lad obviously has talent but is obviously injury prone. The wily foxes named Lambert and Keane wouldn't be letting him go on loan if they thought he could do a job for Villa this season.[/p][/quote]sussexram40 a question. If you had to choose between 2 players of equal ability and one costs a substantial fee and the other is a 'freebie' which would you select ? As far as I am concerned, so long as BHA are acquiring quality players in the positions SH wants and feels is needed I am happy. How much a player costs is not the real issue but whether he has the ability we seek.. Paying a lot of money for a player doesn't guarantee he will deliver witness Liverpool forking out £35 million for Carroll. Two other points. Firstly BHA have a whole bunch of players (mainly defenders) who will be out of contract at the end of the season or whose loans will have expired who will either need replacing or resigning. The list includes Ankergren, Bruno, Calde, GG, Hughes, Maksimenko, Chicksen, Bennett, Agustein, Crofts, LuaLua, McCourt, Teixeira, Gardner (1 Jan 2015) and CMS. That represents an even bigger rebuilding exercise than we are experiencing at the moment. Secondly FFP sanctions will be levied for the first time at the end of this calendar year. The Albion should have quite a significant 'war chest' left available to be able to take advantage of this by snapping up any bargains that might as a result come on to the transfer market. If we have used up all the proceeds from the sales of Ulloa, Bridcutt and Buckley we would be less able to pursue such a strategy. Therefore by signing players on economic terms/low fees now the club is potentially placing itself in an excellent position to deal from strength in the next couple of Windows. All credit to the 3 Bloom, Barber, Burke and Hyypia if they pull this strategy off. UTA.[/p][/quote]ballanttrae, you make some insightful observations above, particularly I think regarding FFP and players contracts coming to an end at the end of the current season. In relation to the loan system, it can certainly work for championship clubs and Div one/Div two sides. Gardner would seem to be a good example of this. A well thought of young player, who would seem to have a good career ahead of him but needs to be playing games, particularly because of his lost time through serious injury. Should therefore suit all parties, in particular us, as we seem to be getting a talented, exciting player, who's salary, in part at least, will I think be met by his parent club. However and conversely, I am, (like Arsene Wenger and other respected football figure) against loans between premiership clubs, for all sorts of reasons. I'm also concerned in respect of what seems a growing trend in 'third party ownership' a la Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano, likely to become more prevalent with the growing number of Latin American players (as good as they are) coming to play in England. I'm getting on a bit now, so I suppose I'm getting a bit conservative (please note the small c in conservative) in my ways regarding too many changes in the great game. Incidently, I agree with Vegas regarding another CB. I like the three we have, but am concerned what will happen if and when we get injuries and suspensions. Another striker, would be good, but not entirely sure yet what type Sami wants and much may depend on how well Colunga fits in with CMS and Teixeira and not forgetting COG. Exciting times again (we all hope) I wonder who we'll get in the next round of the Capital Cup! dave from bexill
  • Score: 3

7:39pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Falmer Wizard says...

Whilst agreeing that we need another striker it looks as if our medical team will have to be strengthened due to a number of new arrivals who have had injury problems,this could well be the reason we have so many mid fielders on the books.
Whilst agreeing that we need another striker it looks as if our medical team will have to be strengthened due to a number of new arrivals who have had injury problems,this could well be the reason we have so many mid fielders on the books. Falmer Wizard
  • Score: -1

7:50pm Tue 26 Aug 14

rroybha says...

My concern is what happens to us towards the end of this season...with almost all the defenders well above 30 they might get slower considerably and we might leak a few cheap goals which might cost us d play off spot...
My concern is what happens to us towards the end of this season...with almost all the defenders well above 30 they might get slower considerably and we might leak a few cheap goals which might cost us d play off spot... rroybha
  • Score: 2

8:23pm Tue 26 Aug 14

edspells says...

Well I'll be wrote:
edspells wrote:
we need a striker not another midfield has been,this loaness are just boring me
At what age do you become a 'has-been' nowadays?

By the way, sort your grammar out; it is really starting to bore me!
yawn yawn yawn
[quote][p][bold]Well I'll be[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]edspells[/bold] wrote: we need a striker not another midfield has been,this loaness are just boring me[/p][/quote]At what age do you become a 'has-been' nowadays? By the way, sort your grammar out; it is really starting to bore me![/p][/quote]yawn yawn yawn edspells
  • Score: 1

8:44pm Tue 26 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
up here, Gary was always regarded as a more skilful player than his brother Craig and he's the type of ball player who should work well in the Championship.
And to the person who says that if he does well, he'll return to Villa to the detriment of ourselves, I'd say two things. Firstly, he can't be recalled until January and secondly, because he's here until then, we'll have four months worth of Premier League option. I don't see that as detrimental.
Finally, note to Andy Naylor, his brother actually joined WBA in the summer. oops.
Hi Staffs.
Not saying you are wrong but, I thought only those on a season long loan deal were exempt from being recalled, this lad was recalled last season when out on loan was he not?

Hi Ballantrrae.
Well you have got the creative mid-field player you have been hoping we would get, I am yet to see another CB arrive, something I have been thinking we need for some time now.
Maksi, so hard to work out Hyypia's thinking on this player, is he cover for the CB's, and extra cover for left back or simply a player seeing out his contract so possibly one to go out on loan.
Hyypia has hinted that a further striker might come in, if this happens does Fenelon become another to go out on loan?
Nothing new on the Irish lad, new one way or the other, so are we still in with a shout of getting him and if we do, is he bound for the DS or the senior squad.

Seems to me that there yet more developments to come before both windows close.
Vegas,
Naturally I hate admitting it, but there's always a chance I'm wrong!
However, my understanding is that you can terminate an outfield player's loan early if there's written agreement between the two clubs. But, 28 days has to elapse before that can happen and the recall can only be made within a transfer window. Therefore I deduce that after 28 days has elapsed he's here until January 1st come what may..
Yeah you are probably correct, my comment was just a thought, nothing more.
Vegas like you I would like the Albion to sign another CB as I feel the jury is out on Maksimenko as I have posted elsewhere. If we could get a young defender with pace that Hughes and GG can mentor that might prove to be a worthwhile use of resource and a good strategy to adopt with the longer term in mind.
UTA tonight.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: up here, Gary was always regarded as a more skilful player than his brother Craig and he's the type of ball player who should work well in the Championship. And to the person who says that if he does well, he'll return to Villa to the detriment of ourselves, I'd say two things. Firstly, he can't be recalled until January and secondly, because he's here until then, we'll have four months worth of Premier League option. I don't see that as detrimental. Finally, note to Andy Naylor, his brother actually joined WBA in the summer. oops.[/p][/quote]Hi Staffs. Not saying you are wrong but, I thought only those on a season long loan deal were exempt from being recalled, this lad was recalled last season when out on loan was he not? Hi Ballantrrae. Well you have got the creative mid-field player you have been hoping we would get, I am yet to see another CB arrive, something I have been thinking we need for some time now. Maksi, so hard to work out Hyypia's thinking on this player, is he cover for the CB's, and extra cover for left back or simply a player seeing out his contract so possibly one to go out on loan. Hyypia has hinted that a further striker might come in, if this happens does Fenelon become another to go out on loan? Nothing new on the Irish lad, new one way or the other, so are we still in with a shout of getting him and if we do, is he bound for the DS or the senior squad. Seems to me that there yet more developments to come before both windows close.[/p][/quote]Vegas, Naturally I hate admitting it, but there's always a chance I'm wrong! However, my understanding is that you can terminate an outfield player's loan early if there's written agreement between the two clubs. But, 28 days has to elapse before that can happen and the recall can only be made within a transfer window. Therefore I deduce that after 28 days has elapsed he's here until January 1st come what may..[/p][/quote]Yeah you are probably correct, my comment was just a thought, nothing more.[/p][/quote]Vegas like you I would like the Albion to sign another CB as I feel the jury is out on Maksimenko as I have posted elsewhere. If we could get a young defender with pace that Hughes and GG can mentor that might prove to be a worthwhile use of resource and a good strategy to adopt with the longer term in mind. UTA tonight. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

9:01pm Tue 26 Aug 14

ballantrrae says...

dave from bexill wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
Well, plenty of players coming in but all freebies.
This Gardner lad obviously has talent but is obviously injury prone. The wily foxes named Lambert and Keane wouldn't be letting him go on loan if they thought he could do a job for Villa this season.
sussexram40 a question. If you had to choose between 2 players of equal ability and one costs a substantial fee and the other is a 'freebie' which would you select ?
As far as I am concerned, so long as BHA are acquiring quality players in the positions SH wants and feels is needed I am happy. How much a player costs is not the real issue but whether he has the ability we seek.. Paying a lot of money for a player doesn't guarantee he will deliver witness Liverpool forking out £35 million for Carroll.
Two other points.
Firstly BHA have a whole bunch of players (mainly defenders) who will be out of contract at the end of the season or whose loans will have expired who will either need replacing or resigning.
The list includes Ankergren, Bruno, Calde, GG, Hughes, Maksimenko, Chicksen, Bennett, Agustein, Crofts, LuaLua, McCourt, Teixeira, Gardner (1 Jan 2015) and CMS. That represents an even bigger rebuilding exercise than we are experiencing at the moment.
Secondly FFP sanctions will be levied for the first time at the end of this calendar year. The Albion should have quite a significant 'war chest'
left available to be able to take advantage of this by snapping up any bargains that might as a result come on to the transfer market. If we have used up all the proceeds from the sales of Ulloa, Bridcutt and Buckley we would be less able to pursue such a strategy. Therefore by signing players on economic terms/low fees now the club is potentially
placing itself in an excellent position to deal from strength in the next couple of Windows. All credit to the 3 Bloom, Barber, Burke and Hyypia if they pull this strategy off.
UTA.
ballanttrae, you make some insightful observations above, particularly I think regarding FFP and players contracts coming to an end at the end of the current season. In relation to the loan system, it can certainly work for championship clubs and Div one/Div two sides. Gardner would seem to be a good example of this. A well thought of young player, who would seem to have a good career ahead of him but needs to be playing games, particularly because of his lost time through serious injury. Should therefore suit all parties, in particular us, as we seem to be getting a talented, exciting player, who's salary, in part at least, will I think be met by his parent club.
However and conversely, I am, (like Arsene Wenger and other respected football figure) against loans between premiership clubs, for all sorts of reasons. I'm also concerned in respect of what seems a growing trend in 'third party ownership' a la Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano, likely to become more prevalent with the growing number of Latin American players (as good as they are) coming to play in England. I'm getting on a bit now, so I suppose I'm getting a bit conservative (please note the small c in conservative) in my ways regarding too many changes in the great game.
Incidently, I agree with Vegas regarding another CB. I like the three we have, but am concerned what will happen if and when we get injuries and suspensions. Another striker, would be good, but not entirely sure yet what type Sami wants and much may depend on how well Colunga fits in with CMS and Teixeira and not forgetting COG. Exciting times again (we all hope) I wonder who we'll get in the next round of the Capital Cup!
Some good points Dave from Bexhill especially regarding players ownership and inter PL club loans. Don't worry about having been around a few years since with age. Comes perspective and yours (normally) seems spot on and is on this occasion.
Regarding Colunga I notice that he is being played tonight in the wide forward position to COG's right with LuaLua on the left. Interestingly in today's Argus SH says that Colunga can play' tween the lines' as well as up front.
I think a front 3 of CMS flanked by Teixeira and Colunga could be quite potent.
Hoping that Colunga has a positive start to football in England tonight. UTA.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Well, plenty of players coming in but all freebies. This Gardner lad obviously has talent but is obviously injury prone. The wily foxes named Lambert and Keane wouldn't be letting him go on loan if they thought he could do a job for Villa this season.[/p][/quote]sussexram40 a question. If you had to choose between 2 players of equal ability and one costs a substantial fee and the other is a 'freebie' which would you select ? As far as I am concerned, so long as BHA are acquiring quality players in the positions SH wants and feels is needed I am happy. How much a player costs is not the real issue but whether he has the ability we seek.. Paying a lot of money for a player doesn't guarantee he will deliver witness Liverpool forking out £35 million for Carroll. Two other points. Firstly BHA have a whole bunch of players (mainly defenders) who will be out of contract at the end of the season or whose loans will have expired who will either need replacing or resigning. The list includes Ankergren, Bruno, Calde, GG, Hughes, Maksimenko, Chicksen, Bennett, Agustein, Crofts, LuaLua, McCourt, Teixeira, Gardner (1 Jan 2015) and CMS. That represents an even bigger rebuilding exercise than we are experiencing at the moment. Secondly FFP sanctions will be levied for the first time at the end of this calendar year. The Albion should have quite a significant 'war chest' left available to be able to take advantage of this by snapping up any bargains that might as a result come on to the transfer market. If we have used up all the proceeds from the sales of Ulloa, Bridcutt and Buckley we would be less able to pursue such a strategy. Therefore by signing players on economic terms/low fees now the club is potentially placing itself in an excellent position to deal from strength in the next couple of Windows. All credit to the 3 Bloom, Barber, Burke and Hyypia if they pull this strategy off. UTA.[/p][/quote]ballanttrae, you make some insightful observations above, particularly I think regarding FFP and players contracts coming to an end at the end of the current season. In relation to the loan system, it can certainly work for championship clubs and Div one/Div two sides. Gardner would seem to be a good example of this. A well thought of young player, who would seem to have a good career ahead of him but needs to be playing games, particularly because of his lost time through serious injury. Should therefore suit all parties, in particular us, as we seem to be getting a talented, exciting player, who's salary, in part at least, will I think be met by his parent club. However and conversely, I am, (like Arsene Wenger and other respected football figure) against loans between premiership clubs, for all sorts of reasons. I'm also concerned in respect of what seems a growing trend in 'third party ownership' a la Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano, likely to become more prevalent with the growing number of Latin American players (as good as they are) coming to play in England. I'm getting on a bit now, so I suppose I'm getting a bit conservative (please note the small c in conservative) in my ways regarding too many changes in the great game. Incidently, I agree with Vegas regarding another CB. I like the three we have, but am concerned what will happen if and when we get injuries and suspensions. Another striker, would be good, but not entirely sure yet what type Sami wants and much may depend on how well Colunga fits in with CMS and Teixeira and not forgetting COG. Exciting times again (we all hope) I wonder who we'll get in the next round of the Capital Cup![/p][/quote]Some good points Dave from Bexhill especially regarding players ownership and inter PL club loans. Don't worry about having been around a few years since with age. Comes perspective and yours (normally) seems spot on and is on this occasion. Regarding Colunga I notice that he is being played tonight in the wide forward position to COG's right with LuaLua on the left. Interestingly in today's Argus SH says that Colunga can play' tween the lines' as well as up front. I think a front 3 of CMS flanked by Teixeira and Colunga could be quite potent. Hoping that Colunga has a positive start to football in England tonight. UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3
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