Fair result? Maybe - but Charlton boss was 'devastated' after Dunk's late goal

Sam Baldock tries to find a way through Bob Peeters' well-organised Charlton side

Sam Baldock tries to find a way through Bob Peeters' well-organised Charlton side

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Charlton boss Bob Peeters has admitted a draw might have been a fair result at the Amex.

But he was “devastated” to see Albion grab a point in added time.

Asked if the 2-2 draw was the right result on the balance of play, he said: “I’m not bothered about the right result.

“I think at the end you want to get the three points when you are close.

“Sami Hyypia plays his game and we play our game and I think our gameplan worked well.

“It is devastating that you concede a late goal but maybe the result was right.

“But when you get so close you want the three points.”

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9:42am Sun 31 Aug 14

Aye Aye says...

We know, only too well, what it feels like Bob!
We know, only too well, what it feels like Bob! Aye Aye
  • Score: 18

9:44am Sun 31 Aug 14

scottishb;ue says...

His game plan was to park the bus I would like to see the stats for the game we were by far the better team
His game plan was to park the bus I would like to see the stats for the game we were by far the better team scottishb;ue
  • Score: 24

9:50am Sun 31 Aug 14

Neville says...

Attn Old Tug
Last week we discussed the attendances and you expected 27000 plus,whether fans like it or not the crowd figures are down,even allowing for Bank Holidays etc. Charlton brought 1900 plus so the Albion gate on tickets sold (not actuals) was around 24000. It is a fact we are about 3000 down on sales last year and I am seated in lower west and numerous empty places. These are the most expensive seats with no concessions for age etc ,I know some have moved to cheaper areas but some have not renewed.At the match yesterday and lots of empty seats all around,lets hope the new players bring the fans back.
The other point again in the lower west is that not the queuing for food now and this is a reflection of the price increases which were introduced with no advance warning. The fish and chip place outside the ground seems busier but again prices expensive.
Before the usual thumbs down merchants hit the button,this is not a criticism just an observation. There has to be a fine balance on pricing etc and I feel the fans have been taken for granted on this in some areas and this is now been reflected in fans being more selective with food and matches.
Attendance wise I think we will probably end up third or so in the table behind the likes of Derby,Notts Forest poss Wolves.
Attn Old Tug Last week we discussed the attendances and you expected 27000 plus,whether fans like it or not the crowd figures are down,even allowing for Bank Holidays etc. Charlton brought 1900 plus so the Albion gate on tickets sold (not actuals) was around 24000. It is a fact we are about 3000 down on sales last year and I am seated in lower west and numerous empty places. These are the most expensive seats with no concessions for age etc ,I know some have moved to cheaper areas but some have not renewed.At the match yesterday and lots of empty seats all around,lets hope the new players bring the fans back. The other point again in the lower west is that not the queuing for food now and this is a reflection of the price increases which were introduced with no advance warning. The fish and chip place outside the ground seems busier but again prices expensive. Before the usual thumbs down merchants hit the button,this is not a criticism just an observation. There has to be a fine balance on pricing etc and I feel the fans have been taken for granted on this in some areas and this is now been reflected in fans being more selective with food and matches. Attendance wise I think we will probably end up third or so in the table behind the likes of Derby,Notts Forest poss Wolves. Neville
  • Score: 9

9:55am Sun 31 Aug 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Park the bus is exactly what his game plan was, a draw was still a win for his team in relative terms.
If both of the teams on the pitch played that sort of game plan (spoiling tactics) we would have watched a game lacking entertainment or football BBC say 64% possession but I think it was more like 75% plus, had Charlton lost 3-0 on balance of play it would have been a fair result, but thats football and thats why I go!
Park the bus is exactly what his game plan was, a draw was still a win for his team in relative terms. If both of the teams on the pitch played that sort of game plan (spoiling tactics) we would have watched a game lacking entertainment or football BBC say 64% possession but I think it was more like 75% plus, had Charlton lost 3-0 on balance of play it would have been a fair result, but thats football and thats why I go! Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 26

10:00am Sun 31 Aug 14

The Phantom says...

Can understand his frustration. Stockdale going up for the corner resulted in three Albion players being totally unmarked for the second ball from Lua Lua - we would be annoyed if we conceded like that at the end. I think in the brief few minutes Brighton were level (before both Charlton) goals) we were the better side but from Charlton's point of view once they went ahead they were content to slow the game down and get men behind the ball - fairly standard away tactics.
Can understand his frustration. Stockdale going up for the corner resulted in three Albion players being totally unmarked for the second ball from Lua Lua - we would be annoyed if we conceded like that at the end. I think in the brief few minutes Brighton were level (before both Charlton) goals) we were the better side but from Charlton's point of view once they went ahead they were content to slow the game down and get men behind the ball - fairly standard away tactics. The Phantom
  • Score: 17

10:10am Sun 31 Aug 14

bhapilar says...

This isn't the 1st team to come to tn Amex with the "park the bus " game plan, and it won't be the last. Playing against an atticking style Seagull team most visiting teams will use the same tactics. We need to be tight at the back and avoid making silly mistakes, continue creating chances from the midfield and hope the forwards can put some of those chances away. I am sure this will come as the team get a better understanding and start to gel.
This isn't the 1st team to come to tn Amex with the "park the bus " game plan, and it won't be the last. Playing against an atticking style Seagull team most visiting teams will use the same tactics. We need to be tight at the back and avoid making silly mistakes, continue creating chances from the midfield and hope the forwards can put some of those chances away. I am sure this will come as the team get a better understanding and start to gel. bhapilar
  • Score: 22

10:22am Sun 31 Aug 14

pjwilk says...

Would have liked to have seen Sam come on when we were attacking for a winner ,not after we had conceded again.
Would have liked to have seen Sam come on when we were attacking for a winner ,not after we had conceded again. pjwilk
  • Score: 3

10:38am Sun 31 Aug 14

Withdean-er says...

Neville wrote:
Attn Old Tug
Last week we discussed the attendances and you expected 27000 plus,whether fans like it or not the crowd figures are down,even allowing for Bank Holidays etc. Charlton brought 1900 plus so the Albion gate on tickets sold (not actuals) was around 24000. It is a fact we are about 3000 down on sales last year and I am seated in lower west and numerous empty places. These are the most expensive seats with no concessions for age etc ,I know some have moved to cheaper areas but some have not renewed.At the match yesterday and lots of empty seats all around,lets hope the new players bring the fans back.
The other point again in the lower west is that not the queuing for food now and this is a reflection of the price increases which were introduced with no advance warning. The fish and chip place outside the ground seems busier but again prices expensive.
Before the usual thumbs down merchants hit the button,this is not a criticism just an observation. There has to be a fine balance on pricing etc and I feel the fans have been taken for granted on this in some areas and this is now been reflected in fans being more selective with food and matches.
Attendance wise I think we will probably end up third or so in the table behind the likes of Derby,Notts Forest poss Wolves.
Take a step back and look at the big picture. The Albion, even using your stats, have crowds in the mid-20,000's, which in the entire history of the club compare to almost any season. They are still one of the best supported clubs in the country, including the PL. All this, despite not having the lure of going on a promotion chasing spending & wages spree, and not having parachute monies to keep/acquire PL quality players. And after the possession and low-scoring football served up by Poyet and Garcia at the Amex. Things can't be too bad, and the signs under Hyppia, with Teixeira and co look promising.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Attn Old Tug Last week we discussed the attendances and you expected 27000 plus,whether fans like it or not the crowd figures are down,even allowing for Bank Holidays etc. Charlton brought 1900 plus so the Albion gate on tickets sold (not actuals) was around 24000. It is a fact we are about 3000 down on sales last year and I am seated in lower west and numerous empty places. These are the most expensive seats with no concessions for age etc ,I know some have moved to cheaper areas but some have not renewed.At the match yesterday and lots of empty seats all around,lets hope the new players bring the fans back. The other point again in the lower west is that not the queuing for food now and this is a reflection of the price increases which were introduced with no advance warning. The fish and chip place outside the ground seems busier but again prices expensive. Before the usual thumbs down merchants hit the button,this is not a criticism just an observation. There has to be a fine balance on pricing etc and I feel the fans have been taken for granted on this in some areas and this is now been reflected in fans being more selective with food and matches. Attendance wise I think we will probably end up third or so in the table behind the likes of Derby,Notts Forest poss Wolves.[/p][/quote]Take a step back and look at the big picture. The Albion, even using your stats, have crowds in the mid-20,000's, which in the entire history of the club compare to almost any season. They are still one of the best supported clubs in the country, including the PL. All this, despite not having the lure of going on a promotion chasing spending & wages spree, and not having parachute monies to keep/acquire PL quality players. And after the possession and low-scoring football served up by Poyet and Garcia at the Amex. Things can't be too bad, and the signs under Hyppia, with Teixeira and co look promising. Withdean-er
  • Score: 54

11:34am Sun 31 Aug 14

Charlie Baker's Cap says...

pjwilk wrote:
Would have liked to have seen Sam come on when we were attacking for a winner ,not after we had conceded again.
There was an article here last week where Alan Navarro, a former teammate of Baldock, said Sam played best as a 'second striker' - i.e. he needs a partnership. That's why I was hoping we'd see both CMS and Baldock on at the same time, if only for half an hour. Perhaps Sami can find a solution in the next two weeks - a striking pair would be great, even if causes a selection problem - like who plays behind them? Colunga, Gardner and Teixeira? A wide man too? Crofts and JFC on together didn't really work, so could we see Holla looking after the defensive midfielder duties alone, so that Lualua or McCourt get a run? Bruno isn't the perfect solution as a wide player - and not the safest of right backs either - while Calde is no spring chicken and can't be expected to play as wide midfield as well as right back.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Would have liked to have seen Sam come on when we were attacking for a winner ,not after we had conceded again.[/p][/quote]There was an article here last week where Alan Navarro, a former teammate of Baldock, said Sam played best as a 'second striker' - i.e. he needs a partnership. That's why I was hoping we'd see both CMS and Baldock on at the same time, if only for half an hour. Perhaps Sami can find a solution in the next two weeks - a striking pair would be great, even if causes a selection problem - like who plays behind them? Colunga, Gardner and Teixeira? A wide man too? Crofts and JFC on together didn't really work, so could we see Holla looking after the defensive midfielder duties alone, so that Lualua or McCourt get a run? Bruno isn't the perfect solution as a wide player - and not the safest of right backs either - while Calde is no spring chicken and can't be expected to play as wide midfield as well as right back. Charlie Baker's Cap
  • Score: 14

11:37am Sun 31 Aug 14

falmer seagull says...

Still want to see Paddy McCourt at least on the subs bench at the Amex!
Still want to see Paddy McCourt at least on the subs bench at the Amex! falmer seagull
  • Score: 14

12:00pm Sun 31 Aug 14

FFPgull says...

Draw good considering how it was done but should have won with possession we had. Dunks hopefully sorted out whatever trouble he was in and seems to be focusing on his career can only be a good thing. Other than that the Charlton scorer Ventokeke frustrating he scored as his pace is well known and should have been closed down also Stockdales positioning? If it weren't for one or two individual errors we would have won.
Draw good considering how it was done but should have won with possession we had. Dunks hopefully sorted out whatever trouble he was in and seems to be focusing on his career can only be a good thing. Other than that the Charlton scorer Ventokeke frustrating he scored as his pace is well known and should have been closed down also Stockdales positioning? If it weren't for one or two individual errors we would have won. FFPgull
  • Score: 14

12:15pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Can't keep relying on last minute point savers every week, that's now 8 points dropped this season. More money should have been spent signing better players.
Can't keep relying on last minute point savers every week, that's now 8 points dropped this season. More money should have been spent signing better players. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -37

12:39pm Sun 31 Aug 14

kwaidam says...

Can't help thinking CMS will end up being the one to miss out or be off in this or the next transfer window. Colunga looked the far better technical player and he certainly has more speed than CMS these days. I'd like to see Colunga and Baldock together. ps. Texeira is possibly the most gifted player we have seen in an Albion shirt since Vicente. Some of his skills yesterday were sublime. He ran the game. What was refreshing was to see the movement, control and domination of the midfield with Holla outstanding too. Yes, we lacked the killer touch in front of goal but that was also down to Charlton throwing bodies in front of shots and crowding the box. And we will get goals, and maybe be more potent away from home. All in all, it felt like a win in the end thanks to Dunky. So good to go into the international break on a high rather than being gutted with a loss. Thought the CAFC fans were good, fair play. Glad they didn't go home too happy although they should have been very content with a point. All in all, keep at it Albion. I am confident of a top half finish, flirting with the playoffs. And we should all be happy with that. UTA
Can't help thinking CMS will end up being the one to miss out or be off in this or the next transfer window. Colunga looked the far better technical player and he certainly has more speed than CMS these days. I'd like to see Colunga and Baldock together. ps. Texeira is possibly the most gifted player we have seen in an Albion shirt since Vicente. Some of his skills yesterday were sublime. He ran the game. What was refreshing was to see the movement, control and domination of the midfield with Holla outstanding too. Yes, we lacked the killer touch in front of goal but that was also down to Charlton throwing bodies in front of shots and crowding the box. And we will get goals, and maybe be more potent away from home. All in all, it felt like a win in the end thanks to Dunky. So good to go into the international break on a high rather than being gutted with a loss. Thought the CAFC fans were good, fair play. Glad they didn't go home too happy although they should have been very content with a point. All in all, keep at it Albion. I am confident of a top half finish, flirting with the playoffs. And we should all be happy with that. UTA kwaidam
  • Score: 24

12:45pm Sun 31 Aug 14

fansunited says...

Score first then they would have to come out. This would stop the bus parking up & time wasting!
Score first then they would have to come out. This would stop the bus parking up & time wasting! fansunited
  • Score: 13

12:51pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

In three home league games so far we've only been ahead once.
So the answer is we must score first. Simple!
Disappointing that we conceded two poor goals but encouraging that we kept going and managed to score twice against a 10 man defence. May be we've discovered Charlton's weakness in that they keep a tight rein on the attackers and fail to notice defenders coming forward.
It's early days and the performances will get better. UTA
In three home league games so far we've only been ahead once. So the answer is we must score first. Simple! Disappointing that we conceded two poor goals but encouraging that we kept going and managed to score twice against a 10 man defence. May be we've discovered Charlton's weakness in that they keep a tight rein on the attackers and fail to notice defenders coming forward. It's early days and the performances will get better. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 13

1:03pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Dave in Hastings says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Can't keep relying on last minute point savers every week, that's now 8 points dropped this season. More money should have been spent signing better players.
Moron.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Can't keep relying on last minute point savers every week, that's now 8 points dropped this season. More money should have been spent signing better players.[/p][/quote]Moron. Dave in Hastings
  • Score: 12

1:07pm Sun 31 Aug 14

twica12 says...

We have got to get rid of Greer. He simply cannot tackle. Watch closely at fault on some part for the first goal and weak in the tackle for the second.
We have got to get rid of Greer. He simply cannot tackle. Watch closely at fault on some part for the first goal and weak in the tackle for the second. twica12
  • Score: -24

1:17pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Aldrington Halt says...

Good result from hard work. They parked the bus after the first goal granted but we showed character, there was entertaining football and there's no disputing now that Dunk is fully grown into his shirt. The errors, negative points and sub selection tactics will be something for them too work on which can only mean better performances down the line. Kaz as usual was instrumental in saving our cred last minute as he did so many times last year and it's still early days for finding the chemistry in the squad which will forge the new guys in, giving us the edge required.. UTA!!!
Good result from hard work. They parked the bus after the first goal granted but we showed character, there was entertaining football and there's no disputing now that Dunk is fully grown into his shirt. The errors, negative points and sub selection tactics will be something for them too work on which can only mean better performances down the line. Kaz as usual was instrumental in saving our cred last minute as he did so many times last year and it's still early days for finding the chemistry in the squad which will forge the new guys in, giving us the edge required.. UTA!!! Aldrington Halt
  • Score: 22

1:18pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

Happening tomorrow, one transfer out, three loans also going out, one loan defender coming in and another striker coming in! Don't shoot the messenger!
Happening tomorrow, one transfer out, three loans also going out, one loan defender coming in and another striker coming in! Don't shoot the messenger! Conelli98
  • Score: 2

1:40pm Sun 31 Aug 14

mikeygit says...

Scottishblue---If you go over to BBC Sport--Football and see yesterdays game it will give you the stats--you are correct we had more of the play by far, many more shots, few on target though, more corners etc.
Agree we have to score first, especially at Home. As to players, they are still getting to know one another---some have not even trained together. As to the forwards, I guess Sammi is still working that out,many will not like it but give CMS another few games and if he does not work out then come Jan I can see him going, we cannot carry forwards that are paid to score but fail to do so. Nice bloke , no doubt , works hard, but GOALS get results, So CMS start scoring regularly or I can see you will have new employers soon!!
Scottishblue---If you go over to BBC Sport--Football and see yesterdays game it will give you the stats--you are correct we had more of the play by far, many more shots, few on target though, more corners etc. Agree we have to score first, especially at Home. As to players, they are still getting to know one another---some have not even trained together. As to the forwards, I guess Sammi is still working that out,many will not like it but give CMS another few games and if he does not work out then come Jan I can see him going, we cannot carry forwards that are paid to score but fail to do so. Nice bloke , no doubt , works hard, but GOALS get results, So CMS start scoring regularly or I can see you will have new employers soon!! mikeygit
  • Score: 0

1:50pm Sun 31 Aug 14

fratsomrover says...

kwaidam wrote:
Can't help thinking CMS will end up being the one to miss out or be off in this or the next transfer window. Colunga looked the far better technical player and he certainly has more speed than CMS these days. I'd like to see Colunga and Baldock together. ps. Texeira is possibly the most gifted player we have seen in an Albion shirt since Vicente. Some of his skills yesterday were sublime. He ran the game. What was refreshing was to see the movement, control and domination of the midfield with Holla outstanding too. Yes, we lacked the killer touch in front of goal but that was also down to Charlton throwing bodies in front of shots and crowding the box. And we will get goals, and maybe be more potent away from home. All in all, it felt like a win in the end thanks to Dunky. So good to go into the international break on a high rather than being gutted with a loss. Thought the CAFC fans were good, fair play. Glad they didn't go home too happy although they should have been very content with a point. All in all, keep at it Albion. I am confident of a top half finish, flirting with the playoffs. And we should all be happy with that. UTA
Good post and sentiments I go along with. It was the first opportunity I've had to see them this season and although leaving disappointing we did not win, I thoroughly enjoyed the match and took great pleasure from the new approach. I can't see CMS playing much this season and I'm sure Baldock and Colunga will be the preferred duo up front. They have more pace, greater sharpness and control and look generally more inventive and elusive than CMS. J. Tex is a real find, very constructive always a threat. Dare I say he looks too good for us, so is a great signing, as is Joe Bennett who was brilliant. His link up play and support with Tex bodes really well. We were a constant threat down the left hand side. Would have liked to have seen more of Gardner and possibly even Ince as I felt JFC and Crofts were never going to open the opposition up with their passes. I understand Bruno being preferred to Inigo, but he was poor going forward and his passes lacked precision and accuracy, especially when compared to Bennett on the other flank.
Dunk was excellent. Commanding at the back and two wonderful goals. He rescued us without a doubt and it's great to see him performing so well. We may do well to keep him.
As for Charlton, i thought they were much improved and were tactically very astute. I dont prescribe to the "park the bus"brigade. They snatched a lead and defended it, but they always looked capable of scaring us on the break and they played almost the entire match with two up top. On the balance of play, we dominated, but couldn't break them down, though were it not for Henderson's incredible save from Tex in the first half, and Colunga lifting Dunks header over the bar, it could have been much different.
But goals influence tactics and we had to work hard to get our reward.
I left highly optimistic for the future.
Once Baldock and Colunga get a few games together I can see us rattling in some goals. I loved the approach and the entertainment and I look forward to seeing the improvement that playing together will bring.
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking CMS will end up being the one to miss out or be off in this or the next transfer window. Colunga looked the far better technical player and he certainly has more speed than CMS these days. I'd like to see Colunga and Baldock together. ps. Texeira is possibly the most gifted player we have seen in an Albion shirt since Vicente. Some of his skills yesterday were sublime. He ran the game. What was refreshing was to see the movement, control and domination of the midfield with Holla outstanding too. Yes, we lacked the killer touch in front of goal but that was also down to Charlton throwing bodies in front of shots and crowding the box. And we will get goals, and maybe be more potent away from home. All in all, it felt like a win in the end thanks to Dunky. So good to go into the international break on a high rather than being gutted with a loss. Thought the CAFC fans were good, fair play. Glad they didn't go home too happy although they should have been very content with a point. All in all, keep at it Albion. I am confident of a top half finish, flirting with the playoffs. And we should all be happy with that. UTA[/p][/quote]Good post and sentiments I go along with. It was the first opportunity I've had to see them this season and although leaving disappointing we did not win, I thoroughly enjoyed the match and took great pleasure from the new approach. I can't see CMS playing much this season and I'm sure Baldock and Colunga will be the preferred duo up front. They have more pace, greater sharpness and control and look generally more inventive and elusive than CMS. J. Tex is a real find, very constructive always a threat. Dare I say he looks too good for us, so is a great signing, as is Joe Bennett who was brilliant. His link up play and support with Tex bodes really well. We were a constant threat down the left hand side. Would have liked to have seen more of Gardner and possibly even Ince as I felt JFC and Crofts were never going to open the opposition up with their passes. I understand Bruno being preferred to Inigo, but he was poor going forward and his passes lacked precision and accuracy, especially when compared to Bennett on the other flank. Dunk was excellent. Commanding at the back and two wonderful goals. He rescued us without a doubt and it's great to see him performing so well. We may do well to keep him. As for Charlton, i thought they were much improved and were tactically very astute. I dont prescribe to the "park the bus"brigade. They snatched a lead and defended it, but they always looked capable of scaring us on the break and they played almost the entire match with two up top. On the balance of play, we dominated, but couldn't break them down, though were it not for Henderson's incredible save from Tex in the first half, and Colunga lifting Dunks header over the bar, it could have been much different. But goals influence tactics and we had to work hard to get our reward. I left highly optimistic for the future. Once Baldock and Colunga get a few games together I can see us rattling in some goals. I loved the approach and the entertainment and I look forward to seeing the improvement that playing together will bring. fratsomrover
  • Score: 5

2:06pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

fratsomrover wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
Can't help thinking CMS will end up being the one to miss out or be off in this or the next transfer window. Colunga looked the far better technical player and he certainly has more speed than CMS these days. I'd like to see Colunga and Baldock together. ps. Texeira is possibly the most gifted player we have seen in an Albion shirt since Vicente. Some of his skills yesterday were sublime. He ran the game. What was refreshing was to see the movement, control and domination of the midfield with Holla outstanding too. Yes, we lacked the killer touch in front of goal but that was also down to Charlton throwing bodies in front of shots and crowding the box. And we will get goals, and maybe be more potent away from home. All in all, it felt like a win in the end thanks to Dunky. So good to go into the international break on a high rather than being gutted with a loss. Thought the CAFC fans were good, fair play. Glad they didn't go home too happy although they should have been very content with a point. All in all, keep at it Albion. I am confident of a top half finish, flirting with the playoffs. And we should all be happy with that. UTA
Good post and sentiments I go along with. It was the first opportunity I've had to see them this season and although leaving disappointing we did not win, I thoroughly enjoyed the match and took great pleasure from the new approach. I can't see CMS playing much this season and I'm sure Baldock and Colunga will be the preferred duo up front. They have more pace, greater sharpness and control and look generally more inventive and elusive than CMS. J. Tex is a real find, very constructive always a threat. Dare I say he looks too good for us, so is a great signing, as is Joe Bennett who was brilliant. His link up play and support with Tex bodes really well. We were a constant threat down the left hand side. Would have liked to have seen more of Gardner and possibly even Ince as I felt JFC and Crofts were never going to open the opposition up with their passes. I understand Bruno being preferred to Inigo, but he was poor going forward and his passes lacked precision and accuracy, especially when compared to Bennett on the other flank.
Dunk was excellent. Commanding at the back and two wonderful goals. He rescued us without a doubt and it's great to see him performing so well. We may do well to keep him.
As for Charlton, i thought they were much improved and were tactically very astute. I dont prescribe to the "park the bus"brigade. They snatched a lead and defended it, but they always looked capable of scaring us on the break and they played almost the entire match with two up top. On the balance of play, we dominated, but couldn't break them down, though were it not for Henderson's incredible save from Tex in the first half, and Colunga lifting Dunks header over the bar, it could have been much different.
But goals influence tactics and we had to work hard to get our reward.
I left highly optimistic for the future.
Once Baldock and Colunga get a few games together I can see us rattling in some goals. I loved the approach and the entertainment and I look forward to seeing the improvement that playing together will bring.
Two excellent posts.

It really helps those of us who can't be there to see sensible and measured reviews like yours. Keep them coming.

Thanks guys.

UTA!!
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking CMS will end up being the one to miss out or be off in this or the next transfer window. Colunga looked the far better technical player and he certainly has more speed than CMS these days. I'd like to see Colunga and Baldock together. ps. Texeira is possibly the most gifted player we have seen in an Albion shirt since Vicente. Some of his skills yesterday were sublime. He ran the game. What was refreshing was to see the movement, control and domination of the midfield with Holla outstanding too. Yes, we lacked the killer touch in front of goal but that was also down to Charlton throwing bodies in front of shots and crowding the box. And we will get goals, and maybe be more potent away from home. All in all, it felt like a win in the end thanks to Dunky. So good to go into the international break on a high rather than being gutted with a loss. Thought the CAFC fans were good, fair play. Glad they didn't go home too happy although they should have been very content with a point. All in all, keep at it Albion. I am confident of a top half finish, flirting with the playoffs. And we should all be happy with that. UTA[/p][/quote]Good post and sentiments I go along with. It was the first opportunity I've had to see them this season and although leaving disappointing we did not win, I thoroughly enjoyed the match and took great pleasure from the new approach. I can't see CMS playing much this season and I'm sure Baldock and Colunga will be the preferred duo up front. They have more pace, greater sharpness and control and look generally more inventive and elusive than CMS. J. Tex is a real find, very constructive always a threat. Dare I say he looks too good for us, so is a great signing, as is Joe Bennett who was brilliant. His link up play and support with Tex bodes really well. We were a constant threat down the left hand side. Would have liked to have seen more of Gardner and possibly even Ince as I felt JFC and Crofts were never going to open the opposition up with their passes. I understand Bruno being preferred to Inigo, but he was poor going forward and his passes lacked precision and accuracy, especially when compared to Bennett on the other flank. Dunk was excellent. Commanding at the back and two wonderful goals. He rescued us without a doubt and it's great to see him performing so well. We may do well to keep him. As for Charlton, i thought they were much improved and were tactically very astute. I dont prescribe to the "park the bus"brigade. They snatched a lead and defended it, but they always looked capable of scaring us on the break and they played almost the entire match with two up top. On the balance of play, we dominated, but couldn't break them down, though were it not for Henderson's incredible save from Tex in the first half, and Colunga lifting Dunks header over the bar, it could have been much different. But goals influence tactics and we had to work hard to get our reward. I left highly optimistic for the future. Once Baldock and Colunga get a few games together I can see us rattling in some goals. I loved the approach and the entertainment and I look forward to seeing the improvement that playing together will bring.[/p][/quote]Two excellent posts. It really helps those of us who can't be there to see sensible and measured reviews like yours. Keep them coming. Thanks guys. UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 1

2:14pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Conelli98 says...

fratsomrover wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
Can't help thinking CMS will end up being the one to miss out or be off in this or the next transfer window. Colunga looked the far better technical player and he certainly has more speed than CMS these days. I'd like to see Colunga and Baldock together. ps. Texeira is possibly the most gifted player we have seen in an Albion shirt since Vicente. Some of his skills yesterday were sublime. He ran the game. What was refreshing was to see the movement, control and domination of the midfield with Holla outstanding too. Yes, we lacked the killer touch in front of goal but that was also down to Charlton throwing bodies in front of shots and crowding the box. And we will get goals, and maybe be more potent away from home. All in all, it felt like a win in the end thanks to Dunky. So good to go into the international break on a high rather than being gutted with a loss. Thought the CAFC fans were good, fair play. Glad they didn't go home too happy although they should have been very content with a point. All in all, keep at it Albion. I am confident of a top half finish, flirting with the playoffs. And we should all be happy with that. UTA
Good post and sentiments I go along with. It was the first opportunity I've had to see them this season and although leaving disappointing we did not win, I thoroughly enjoyed the match and took great pleasure from the new approach. I can't see CMS playing much this season and I'm sure Baldock and Colunga will be the preferred duo up front. They have more pace, greater sharpness and control and look generally more inventive and elusive than CMS. J. Tex is a real find, very constructive always a threat. Dare I say he looks too good for us, so is a great signing, as is Joe Bennett who was brilliant. His link up play and support with Tex bodes really well. We were a constant threat down the left hand side. Would have liked to have seen more of Gardner and possibly even Ince as I felt JFC and Crofts were never going to open the opposition up with their passes. I understand Bruno being preferred to Inigo, but he was poor going forward and his passes lacked precision and accuracy, especially when compared to Bennett on the other flank.
Dunk was excellent. Commanding at the back and two wonderful goals. He rescued us without a doubt and it's great to see him performing so well. We may do well to keep him.
As for Charlton, i thought they were much improved and were tactically very astute. I dont prescribe to the "park the bus"brigade. They snatched a lead and defended it, but they always looked capable of scaring us on the break and they played almost the entire match with two up top. On the balance of play, we dominated, but couldn't break them down, though were it not for Henderson's incredible save from Tex in the first half, and Colunga lifting Dunks header over the bar, it could have been much different.
But goals influence tactics and we had to work hard to get our reward.
I left highly optimistic for the future.
Once Baldock and Colunga get a few games together I can see us rattling in some goals. I loved the approach and the entertainment and I look forward to seeing the improvement that playing together will bring.
Excellent post! And I would agree with all you have written. I would like to keep CMS for the rest of the season but if club had offer for him tomorrow or next window I can't see them turning it down. I noticed from your post this is the first time you've seen us this season, so with that in mind do you think it's good to have a big target man within the match day squad?
To those that have been this season home or away including pre season, can anyone tell me if they think OGrady is worthy of a place in our squad...BECAUSE I DONT!!! He surely can't be a Hypia signing based on the others he has bought in?
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking CMS will end up being the one to miss out or be off in this or the next transfer window. Colunga looked the far better technical player and he certainly has more speed than CMS these days. I'd like to see Colunga and Baldock together. ps. Texeira is possibly the most gifted player we have seen in an Albion shirt since Vicente. Some of his skills yesterday were sublime. He ran the game. What was refreshing was to see the movement, control and domination of the midfield with Holla outstanding too. Yes, we lacked the killer touch in front of goal but that was also down to Charlton throwing bodies in front of shots and crowding the box. And we will get goals, and maybe be more potent away from home. All in all, it felt like a win in the end thanks to Dunky. So good to go into the international break on a high rather than being gutted with a loss. Thought the CAFC fans were good, fair play. Glad they didn't go home too happy although they should have been very content with a point. All in all, keep at it Albion. I am confident of a top half finish, flirting with the playoffs. And we should all be happy with that. UTA[/p][/quote]Good post and sentiments I go along with. It was the first opportunity I've had to see them this season and although leaving disappointing we did not win, I thoroughly enjoyed the match and took great pleasure from the new approach. I can't see CMS playing much this season and I'm sure Baldock and Colunga will be the preferred duo up front. They have more pace, greater sharpness and control and look generally more inventive and elusive than CMS. J. Tex is a real find, very constructive always a threat. Dare I say he looks too good for us, so is a great signing, as is Joe Bennett who was brilliant. His link up play and support with Tex bodes really well. We were a constant threat down the left hand side. Would have liked to have seen more of Gardner and possibly even Ince as I felt JFC and Crofts were never going to open the opposition up with their passes. I understand Bruno being preferred to Inigo, but he was poor going forward and his passes lacked precision and accuracy, especially when compared to Bennett on the other flank. Dunk was excellent. Commanding at the back and two wonderful goals. He rescued us without a doubt and it's great to see him performing so well. We may do well to keep him. As for Charlton, i thought they were much improved and were tactically very astute. I dont prescribe to the "park the bus"brigade. They snatched a lead and defended it, but they always looked capable of scaring us on the break and they played almost the entire match with two up top. On the balance of play, we dominated, but couldn't break them down, though were it not for Henderson's incredible save from Tex in the first half, and Colunga lifting Dunks header over the bar, it could have been much different. But goals influence tactics and we had to work hard to get our reward. I left highly optimistic for the future. Once Baldock and Colunga get a few games together I can see us rattling in some goals. I loved the approach and the entertainment and I look forward to seeing the improvement that playing together will bring.[/p][/quote]Excellent post! And I would agree with all you have written. I would like to keep CMS for the rest of the season but if club had offer for him tomorrow or next window I can't see them turning it down. I noticed from your post this is the first time you've seen us this season, so with that in mind do you think it's good to have a big target man within the match day squad? To those that have been this season home or away including pre season, can anyone tell me if they think OGrady is worthy of a place in our squad...BECAUSE I DONT!!! He surely can't be a Hypia signing based on the others he has bought in? Conelli98
  • Score: 4

3:51pm Sun 31 Aug 14

kwaidam says...

I agree with all the sentiments in your post fratsomrover. Good analysis.
I agree with all the sentiments in your post fratsomrover. Good analysis. kwaidam
  • Score: -3

3:58pm Sun 31 Aug 14

mikeygit says...

Cannot see why I get the thumbs down for my post re-CMS?? Others have said the same thing and get a thumbs up!! Not said anything bad about the bloke, just that he is not up to the standard of some of the others at present. Maybe with more games he will get back to scoring form!!
Connelli--as to OGrady, although unable to see matches as yet, I am of the opinion he may be the weak signing so far this season. Maybe he was a stop gap signing until we got the players we really wanted??
Cannot see why I get the thumbs down for my post re-CMS?? Others have said the same thing and get a thumbs up!! Not said anything bad about the bloke, just that he is not up to the standard of some of the others at present. Maybe with more games he will get back to scoring form!! Connelli--as to OGrady, although unable to see matches as yet, I am of the opinion he may be the weak signing so far this season. Maybe he was a stop gap signing until we got the players we really wanted?? mikeygit
  • Score: -6

4:35pm Sun 31 Aug 14

JeffLomer says...

mikeygit wrote:
Cannot see why I get the thumbs down for my post re-CMS?? Others have said the same thing and get a thumbs up!! Not said anything bad about the bloke, just that he is not up to the standard of some of the others at present. Maybe with more games he will get back to scoring form!!
Connelli--as to OGrady, although unable to see matches as yet, I am of the opinion he may be the weak signing so far this season. Maybe he was a stop gap signing until we got the players we really wanted??
I for one would like Smith to stay why should we sell him for what reason, a fit Smith is as good as anybody as long as he gets the service he will score goals, give the lad a break he has not long come back from a bad injury, now he is injury free why sell him to another club so they benefit,
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Cannot see why I get the thumbs down for my post re-CMS?? Others have said the same thing and get a thumbs up!! Not said anything bad about the bloke, just that he is not up to the standard of some of the others at present. Maybe with more games he will get back to scoring form!! Connelli--as to OGrady, although unable to see matches as yet, I am of the opinion he may be the weak signing so far this season. Maybe he was a stop gap signing until we got the players we really wanted??[/p][/quote]I for one would like Smith to stay why should we sell him for what reason, a fit Smith is as good as anybody as long as he gets the service he will score goals, give the lad a break he has not long come back from a bad injury, now he is injury free why sell him to another club so they benefit, Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 8

4:37pm Sun 31 Aug 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

mikeygit wrote:
Cannot see why I get the thumbs down for my post re-CMS?? Others have said the same thing and get a thumbs up!! Not said anything bad about the bloke, just that he is not up to the standard of some of the others at present. Maybe with more games he will get back to scoring form!!
Connelli--as to OGrady, although unable to see matches as yet, I am of the opinion he may be the weak signing so far this season. Maybe he was a stop gap signing until we got the players we really wanted??
Why are you worried about the thumbs,its either post is being read and do not agree,or they don't like you.

Either one one does mean you'r noticed,who was it said "as long as they spell my name right".

BTW lets give the travellingman some time.
[quote][p][bold]mikeygit[/bold] wrote: Cannot see why I get the thumbs down for my post re-CMS?? Others have said the same thing and get a thumbs up!! Not said anything bad about the bloke, just that he is not up to the standard of some of the others at present. Maybe with more games he will get back to scoring form!! Connelli--as to OGrady, although unable to see matches as yet, I am of the opinion he may be the weak signing so far this season. Maybe he was a stop gap signing until we got the players we really wanted??[/p][/quote]Why are you worried about the thumbs,its either post is being read and do not agree,or they don't like you. Either one one does mean you'r noticed,who was it said "as long as they spell my name right". BTW lets give the travellingman some time. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 2

5:36pm Sun 31 Aug 14

sussexram40 says...

Great performance by Leo Ulloa today. Really putting Arsenal to the word - one great goal and nearly a brilliant second.
Bad business by the suits - we sold him too cheaply.
Great performance by Leo Ulloa today. Really putting Arsenal to the word - one great goal and nearly a brilliant second. Bad business by the suits - we sold him too cheaply. sussexram40
  • Score: -18

5:44pm Sun 31 Aug 14

fratsomrover says...

In reply to your question Conelli98 about do I feel we require a large target man, then I would say not necessarily so. Tactics are determined by the quality of the players you have. If you have a talented group of short, pacy, sharp players, you play a system which keeps the ball on the ground, requires quick sharp passing, and above all, a range of movement up front. The Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling forward line immediately springs to mind. We have this potential with Texeira, Colunga, Baldock, March, Lua Lua and CMS.
Sammi seems to prefer this approach.
It's not the only difference I noted either.
He seems to be leaning towards a back three with Holla playing between Dunk & Greer, thus allowing Bennett and Bruno to advance into very forward positions.
So, it's different, a new approach and I think it looked very exciting.
If we had Andy Carrol or Peter Crouch I'm sure it would be different but I for one would rather watch this system of play than say "an Allardyce" approach of lumping long balls forward to massive target men.
I like tactical innovation and the more these guys play together and learn how and when they like to receive passes, the better it will become.
In reply to your question Conelli98 about do I feel we require a large target man, then I would say not necessarily so. Tactics are determined by the quality of the players you have. If you have a talented group of short, pacy, sharp players, you play a system which keeps the ball on the ground, requires quick sharp passing, and above all, a range of movement up front. The Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling forward line immediately springs to mind. We have this potential with Texeira, Colunga, Baldock, March, Lua Lua and CMS. Sammi seems to prefer this approach. It's not the only difference I noted either. He seems to be leaning towards a back three with Holla playing between Dunk & Greer, thus allowing Bennett and Bruno to advance into very forward positions. So, it's different, a new approach and I think it looked very exciting. If we had Andy Carrol or Peter Crouch I'm sure it would be different but I for one would rather watch this system of play than say "an Allardyce" approach of lumping long balls forward to massive target men. I like tactical innovation and the more these guys play together and learn how and when they like to receive passes, the better it will become. fratsomrover
  • Score: 6

6:18pm Sun 31 Aug 14

JeffLomer says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Great performance by Leo Ulloa today. Really putting Arsenal to the word - one great goal and nearly a brilliant second.
Bad business by the suits - we sold him too cheaply.
Look to the future not the past it might help!!
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Great performance by Leo Ulloa today. Really putting Arsenal to the word - one great goal and nearly a brilliant second. Bad business by the suits - we sold him too cheaply.[/p][/quote]Look to the future not the past it might help!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 8

7:08pm Sun 31 Aug 14

bhapilar says...

JeffLomer wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
Great performance by Leo Ulloa today. Really putting Arsenal to the word - one great goal and nearly a brilliant second.
Bad business by the suits - we sold him too cheaply.
Look to the future not the past it might help!!
Up the Albion!!
I agree, really happy for LU but he is no longer a Seagulls player. Lets keep it current. We had some good performances against Charlton and I amsure when the team start to gel we will start putting some of the chances away.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Great performance by Leo Ulloa today. Really putting Arsenal to the word - one great goal and nearly a brilliant second. Bad business by the suits - we sold him too cheaply.[/p][/quote]Look to the future not the past it might help!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]I agree, really happy for LU but he is no longer a Seagulls player. Lets keep it current. We had some good performances against Charlton and I amsure when the team start to gel we will start putting some of the chances away. UTA bhapilar
  • Score: 5

8:00pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

fratsomrover wrote:
In reply to your question Conelli98 about do I feel we require a large target man, then I would say not necessarily so. Tactics are determined by the quality of the players you have. If you have a talented group of short, pacy, sharp players, you play a system which keeps the ball on the ground, requires quick sharp passing, and above all, a range of movement up front. The Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling forward line immediately springs to mind. We have this potential with Texeira, Colunga, Baldock, March, Lua Lua and CMS.
Sammi seems to prefer this approach.
It's not the only difference I noted either.
He seems to be leaning towards a back three with Holla playing between Dunk & Greer, thus allowing Bennett and Bruno to advance into very forward positions.
So, it's different, a new approach and I think it looked very exciting.
If we had Andy Carrol or Peter Crouch I'm sure it would be different but I for one would rather watch this system of play than say "an Allardyce" approach of lumping long balls forward to massive target men.
I like tactical innovation and the more these guys play together and learn how and when they like to receive passes, the better it will become.
Regarding the "back three", to be fair to OG he used to do this quite often: the fullbacks would push forwards, the centre-backs would separate and shift towards the sidelines and Ince would drop to cover the gap.

There, however, the similarity between the coaches ends :-)
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: In reply to your question Conelli98 about do I feel we require a large target man, then I would say not necessarily so. Tactics are determined by the quality of the players you have. If you have a talented group of short, pacy, sharp players, you play a system which keeps the ball on the ground, requires quick sharp passing, and above all, a range of movement up front. The Suarez, Sturridge, Sterling forward line immediately springs to mind. We have this potential with Texeira, Colunga, Baldock, March, Lua Lua and CMS. Sammi seems to prefer this approach. It's not the only difference I noted either. He seems to be leaning towards a back three with Holla playing between Dunk & Greer, thus allowing Bennett and Bruno to advance into very forward positions. So, it's different, a new approach and I think it looked very exciting. If we had Andy Carrol or Peter Crouch I'm sure it would be different but I for one would rather watch this system of play than say "an Allardyce" approach of lumping long balls forward to massive target men. I like tactical innovation and the more these guys play together and learn how and when they like to receive passes, the better it will become.[/p][/quote]Regarding the "back three", to be fair to OG he used to do this quite often: the fullbacks would push forwards, the centre-backs would separate and shift towards the sidelines and Ince would drop to cover the gap. There, however, the similarity between the coaches ends :-) Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 2

8:31pm Sun 31 Aug 14

brightonup says...

bhapilar wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
Great performance by Leo Ulloa today. Really putting Arsenal to the word - one great goal and nearly a brilliant second.
Bad business by the suits - we sold him too cheaply.
Look to the future not the past it might help!!
Up the Albion!!
I agree, really happy for LU but he is no longer a Seagulls player. Lets keep it current. We had some good performances against Charlton and I amsure when the team start to gel we will start putting some of the chances away.
UTA
Why do people not get it. SUSSEXSCUM40 IS FISHING AND YOU ARE GIVING HIM THE ATTENTION HE NEEDS TO KEEP CHURNING OUT HIS DRIVEL!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]bhapilar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Great performance by Leo Ulloa today. Really putting Arsenal to the word - one great goal and nearly a brilliant second. Bad business by the suits - we sold him too cheaply.[/p][/quote]Look to the future not the past it might help!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]I agree, really happy for LU but he is no longer a Seagulls player. Lets keep it current. We had some good performances against Charlton and I amsure when the team start to gel we will start putting some of the chances away. UTA[/p][/quote]Why do people not get it. SUSSEXSCUM40 IS FISHING AND YOU ARE GIVING HIM THE ATTENTION HE NEEDS TO KEEP CHURNING OUT HIS DRIVEL!!!!!!! brightonup
  • Score: -3

8:43pm Sun 31 Aug 14

JeffLomer says...

brightonup wrote:
bhapilar wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
Great performance by Leo Ulloa today. Really putting Arsenal to the word - one great goal and nearly a brilliant second.
Bad business by the suits - we sold him too cheaply.
Look to the future not the past it might help!!
Up the Albion!!
I agree, really happy for LU but he is no longer a Seagulls player. Lets keep it current. We had some good performances against Charlton and I amsure when the team start to gel we will start putting some of the chances away.
UTA
Why do people not get it. SUSSEXSCUM40 IS FISHING AND YOU ARE GIVING HIM THE ATTENTION HE NEEDS TO KEEP CHURNING OUT HIS DRIVEL!!!!!!!
Calm down !!
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhapilar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Great performance by Leo Ulloa today. Really putting Arsenal to the word - one great goal and nearly a brilliant second. Bad business by the suits - we sold him too cheaply.[/p][/quote]Look to the future not the past it might help!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]I agree, really happy for LU but he is no longer a Seagulls player. Lets keep it current. We had some good performances against Charlton and I amsure when the team start to gel we will start putting some of the chances away. UTA[/p][/quote]Why do people not get it. SUSSEXSCUM40 IS FISHING AND YOU ARE GIVING HIM THE ATTENTION HE NEEDS TO KEEP CHURNING OUT HIS DRIVEL!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Calm down !! JeffLomer
  • Score: 2

9:15pm Sun 31 Aug 14

2ndCitySeagull says...

Conelli98 wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
Can't help thinking CMS will end up being the one to miss out or be off in this or the next transfer window. Colunga looked the far better technical player and he certainly has more speed than CMS these days. I'd like to see Colunga and Baldock together. ps. Texeira is possibly the most gifted player we have seen in an Albion shirt since Vicente. Some of his skills yesterday were sublime. He ran the game. What was refreshing was to see the movement, control and domination of the midfield with Holla outstanding too. Yes, we lacked the killer touch in front of goal but that was also down to Charlton throwing bodies in front of shots and crowding the box. And we will get goals, and maybe be more potent away from home. All in all, it felt like a win in the end thanks to Dunky. So good to go into the international break on a high rather than being gutted with a loss. Thought the CAFC fans were good, fair play. Glad they didn't go home too happy although they should have been very content with a point. All in all, keep at it Albion. I am confident of a top half finish, flirting with the playoffs. And we should all be happy with that. UTA
Good post and sentiments I go along with. It was the first opportunity I've had to see them this season and although leaving disappointing we did not win, I thoroughly enjoyed the match and took great pleasure from the new approach. I can't see CMS playing much this season and I'm sure Baldock and Colunga will be the preferred duo up front. They have more pace, greater sharpness and control and look generally more inventive and elusive than CMS. J. Tex is a real find, very constructive always a threat. Dare I say he looks too good for us, so is a great signing, as is Joe Bennett who was brilliant. His link up play and support with Tex bodes really well. We were a constant threat down the left hand side. Would have liked to have seen more of Gardner and possibly even Ince as I felt JFC and Crofts were never going to open the opposition up with their passes. I understand Bruno being preferred to Inigo, but he was poor going forward and his passes lacked precision and accuracy, especially when compared to Bennett on the other flank.
Dunk was excellent. Commanding at the back and two wonderful goals. He rescued us without a doubt and it's great to see him performing so well. We may do well to keep him.
As for Charlton, i thought they were much improved and were tactically very astute. I dont prescribe to the "park the bus"brigade. They snatched a lead and defended it, but they always looked capable of scaring us on the break and they played almost the entire match with two up top. On the balance of play, we dominated, but couldn't break them down, though were it not for Henderson's incredible save from Tex in the first half, and Colunga lifting Dunks header over the bar, it could have been much different.
But goals influence tactics and we had to work hard to get our reward.
I left highly optimistic for the future.
Once Baldock and Colunga get a few games together I can see us rattling in some goals. I loved the approach and the entertainment and I look forward to seeing the improvement that playing together will bring.
Excellent post! And I would agree with all you have written. I would like to keep CMS for the rest of the season but if club had offer for him tomorrow or next window I can't see them turning it down. I noticed from your post this is the first time you've seen us this season, so with that in mind do you think it's good to have a big target man within the match day squad?
To those that have been this season home or away including pre season, can anyone tell me if they think OGrady is worthy of a place in our squad...BECAUSE I DONT!!! He surely can't be a Hypia signing based on the others he has bought in?
C98, I think COG has a place in the squad because he does offer a specialist striker role the other three do not. He finds space and takes up good scoring positions in the box. Where he looks after the ball and when he does pull the trigger, COG usually gets his shots on target (it would be interesting to see his career shots on/off target stats?).

That said I do think he will only be used sparingly as a Plan B option or as a foil for Sam B or CMS, in a traditional 4-4-2 set up.

I for one hope all three other strikers stick around stay fit and rotate two from three, week in week out. I really like what I've seen of Adrian Colunga so far and until I see more of what Sam B has to offer at this level, my hope will be to see AC and CMS attacking from the off.
[quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking CMS will end up being the one to miss out or be off in this or the next transfer window. Colunga looked the far better technical player and he certainly has more speed than CMS these days. I'd like to see Colunga and Baldock together. ps. Texeira is possibly the most gifted player we have seen in an Albion shirt since Vicente. Some of his skills yesterday were sublime. He ran the game. What was refreshing was to see the movement, control and domination of the midfield with Holla outstanding too. Yes, we lacked the killer touch in front of goal but that was also down to Charlton throwing bodies in front of shots and crowding the box. And we will get goals, and maybe be more potent away from home. All in all, it felt like a win in the end thanks to Dunky. So good to go into the international break on a high rather than being gutted with a loss. Thought the CAFC fans were good, fair play. Glad they didn't go home too happy although they should have been very content with a point. All in all, keep at it Albion. I am confident of a top half finish, flirting with the playoffs. And we should all be happy with that. UTA[/p][/quote]Good post and sentiments I go along with. It was the first opportunity I've had to see them this season and although leaving disappointing we did not win, I thoroughly enjoyed the match and took great pleasure from the new approach. I can't see CMS playing much this season and I'm sure Baldock and Colunga will be the preferred duo up front. They have more pace, greater sharpness and control and look generally more inventive and elusive than CMS. J. Tex is a real find, very constructive always a threat. Dare I say he looks too good for us, so is a great signing, as is Joe Bennett who was brilliant. His link up play and support with Tex bodes really well. We were a constant threat down the left hand side. Would have liked to have seen more of Gardner and possibly even Ince as I felt JFC and Crofts were never going to open the opposition up with their passes. I understand Bruno being preferred to Inigo, but he was poor going forward and his passes lacked precision and accuracy, especially when compared to Bennett on the other flank. Dunk was excellent. Commanding at the back and two wonderful goals. He rescued us without a doubt and it's great to see him performing so well. We may do well to keep him. As for Charlton, i thought they were much improved and were tactically very astute. I dont prescribe to the "park the bus"brigade. They snatched a lead and defended it, but they always looked capable of scaring us on the break and they played almost the entire match with two up top. On the balance of play, we dominated, but couldn't break them down, though were it not for Henderson's incredible save from Tex in the first half, and Colunga lifting Dunks header over the bar, it could have been much different. But goals influence tactics and we had to work hard to get our reward. I left highly optimistic for the future. Once Baldock and Colunga get a few games together I can see us rattling in some goals. I loved the approach and the entertainment and I look forward to seeing the improvement that playing together will bring.[/p][/quote]Excellent post! And I would agree with all you have written. I would like to keep CMS for the rest of the season but if club had offer for him tomorrow or next window I can't see them turning it down. I noticed from your post this is the first time you've seen us this season, so with that in mind do you think it's good to have a big target man within the match day squad? To those that have been this season home or away including pre season, can anyone tell me if they think OGrady is worthy of a place in our squad...BECAUSE I DONT!!! He surely can't be a Hypia signing based on the others he has bought in?[/p][/quote]C98, I think COG has a place in the squad because he does offer a specialist striker role the other three do not. He finds space and takes up good scoring positions in the box. Where he looks after the ball and when he does pull the trigger, COG usually gets his shots on target (it would be interesting to see his career shots on/off target stats?). That said I do think he will only be used sparingly as a Plan B option or as a foil for Sam B or CMS, in a traditional 4-4-2 set up. I for one hope all three other strikers stick around stay fit and rotate two from three, week in week out. I really like what I've seen of Adrian Colunga so far and until I see more of what Sam B has to offer at this level, my hope will be to see AC and CMS attacking from the off. 2ndCitySeagull
  • Score: 4

9:31pm Sun 31 Aug 14

brightonup says...

brightonup wrote:
bhapilar wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
Great performance by Leo Ulloa today. Really putting Arsenal to the word - one great goal and nearly a brilliant second.
Bad business by the suits - we sold him too cheaply.
Look to the future not the past it might help!!
Up the Albion!!
I agree, really happy for LU but he is no longer a Seagulls player. Lets keep it current. We had some good performances against Charlton and I amsure when the team start to gel we will start putting some of the chances away.
UTA
Why do people not get it. SUSSEXSCUM40 IS FISHING AND YOU ARE GIVING HIM THE ATTENTION HE NEEDS TO KEEP CHURNING OUT HIS DRIVEL!!!!!!!
Calm, but frustrated with the endless cycle of troll comment, reaction, troll comment.......
Time to stop feeding them!
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhapilar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Great performance by Leo Ulloa today. Really putting Arsenal to the word - one great goal and nearly a brilliant second. Bad business by the suits - we sold him too cheaply.[/p][/quote]Look to the future not the past it might help!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]I agree, really happy for LU but he is no longer a Seagulls player. Lets keep it current. We had some good performances against Charlton and I amsure when the team start to gel we will start putting some of the chances away. UTA[/p][/quote]Why do people not get it. SUSSEXSCUM40 IS FISHING AND YOU ARE GIVING HIM THE ATTENTION HE NEEDS TO KEEP CHURNING OUT HIS DRIVEL!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Calm, but frustrated with the endless cycle of troll comment, reaction, troll comment....... Time to stop feeding them! brightonup
  • Score: -2

9:38pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Max Ripple says...

2ndCitySeagull wrote:
Conelli98 wrote:
fratsomrover wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
Can't help thinking CMS will end up being the one to miss out or be off in this or the next transfer window. Colunga looked the far better technical player and he certainly has more speed than CMS these days. I'd like to see Colunga and Baldock together. ps. Texeira is possibly the most gifted player we have seen in an Albion shirt since Vicente. Some of his skills yesterday were sublime. He ran the game. What was refreshing was to see the movement, control and domination of the midfield with Holla outstanding too. Yes, we lacked the killer touch in front of goal but that was also down to Charlton throwing bodies in front of shots and crowding the box. And we will get goals, and maybe be more potent away from home. All in all, it felt like a win in the end thanks to Dunky. So good to go into the international break on a high rather than being gutted with a loss. Thought the CAFC fans were good, fair play. Glad they didn't go home too happy although they should have been very content with a point. All in all, keep at it Albion. I am confident of a top half finish, flirting with the playoffs. And we should all be happy with that. UTA
Good post and sentiments I go along with. It was the first opportunity I've had to see them this season and although leaving disappointing we did not win, I thoroughly enjoyed the match and took great pleasure from the new approach. I can't see CMS playing much this season and I'm sure Baldock and Colunga will be the preferred duo up front. They have more pace, greater sharpness and control and look generally more inventive and elusive than CMS. J. Tex is a real find, very constructive always a threat. Dare I say he looks too good for us, so is a great signing, as is Joe Bennett who was brilliant. His link up play and support with Tex bodes really well. We were a constant threat down the left hand side. Would have liked to have seen more of Gardner and possibly even Ince as I felt JFC and Crofts were never going to open the opposition up with their passes. I understand Bruno being preferred to Inigo, but he was poor going forward and his passes lacked precision and accuracy, especially when compared to Bennett on the other flank.
Dunk was excellent. Commanding at the back and two wonderful goals. He rescued us without a doubt and it's great to see him performing so well. We may do well to keep him.
As for Charlton, i thought they were much improved and were tactically very astute. I dont prescribe to the "park the bus"brigade. They snatched a lead and defended it, but they always looked capable of scaring us on the break and they played almost the entire match with two up top. On the balance of play, we dominated, but couldn't break them down, though were it not for Henderson's incredible save from Tex in the first half, and Colunga lifting Dunks header over the bar, it could have been much different.
But goals influence tactics and we had to work hard to get our reward.
I left highly optimistic for the future.
Once Baldock and Colunga get a few games together I can see us rattling in some goals. I loved the approach and the entertainment and I look forward to seeing the improvement that playing together will bring.
Excellent post! And I would agree with all you have written. I would like to keep CMS for the rest of the season but if club had offer for him tomorrow or next window I can't see them turning it down. I noticed from your post this is the first time you've seen us this season, so with that in mind do you think it's good to have a big target man within the match day squad?
To those that have been this season home or away including pre season, can anyone tell me if they think OGrady is worthy of a place in our squad...BECAUSE I DONT!!! He surely can't be a Hypia signing based on the others he has bought in?
C98, I think COG has a place in the squad because he does offer a specialist striker role the other three do not. He finds space and takes up good scoring positions in the box. Where he looks after the ball and when he does pull the trigger, COG usually gets his shots on target (it would be interesting to see his career shots on/off target stats?).

That said I do think he will only be used sparingly as a Plan B option or as a foil for Sam B or CMS, in a traditional 4-4-2 set up.

I for one hope all three other strikers stick around stay fit and rotate two from three, week in week out. I really like what I've seen of Adrian Colunga so far and until I see more of what Sam B has to offer at this level, my hope will be to see AC and CMS attacking from the off.
Have to say I agree here. I think Sami will select a team for each individual match and opposition. If he sees a back line which might be vulnerable to a big front man then he will play COG. If they are a big tall back line he will play the smaller guys who hopefully will run rings round 'em. Putting quick balls through for our guys to run on to or low stinging crosses into the box for the little jab home. I'm happy with that.
I also can't see why the CMS critics are getting so many thumbs down. I think he has lost a good yard of pace since his injury. He looks like he's running fast with his little legs but the Charlton defenders were outpacing him every time on Saturday. We wait to see the outcome on this one.

But things are looking good, guys. We should be very optimistic as things stand! UTA!!
[quote][p][bold]2ndCitySeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Conelli98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Can't help thinking CMS will end up being the one to miss out or be off in this or the next transfer window. Colunga looked the far better technical player and he certainly has more speed than CMS these days. I'd like to see Colunga and Baldock together. ps. Texeira is possibly the most gifted player we have seen in an Albion shirt since Vicente. Some of his skills yesterday were sublime. He ran the game. What was refreshing was to see the movement, control and domination of the midfield with Holla outstanding too. Yes, we lacked the killer touch in front of goal but that was also down to Charlton throwing bodies in front of shots and crowding the box. And we will get goals, and maybe be more potent away from home. All in all, it felt like a win in the end thanks to Dunky. So good to go into the international break on a high rather than being gutted with a loss. Thought the CAFC fans were good, fair play. Glad they didn't go home too happy although they should have been very content with a point. All in all, keep at it Albion. I am confident of a top half finish, flirting with the playoffs. And we should all be happy with that. UTA[/p][/quote]Good post and sentiments I go along with. It was the first opportunity I've had to see them this season and although leaving disappointing we did not win, I thoroughly enjoyed the match and took great pleasure from the new approach. I can't see CMS playing much this season and I'm sure Baldock and Colunga will be the preferred duo up front. They have more pace, greater sharpness and control and look generally more inventive and elusive than CMS. J. Tex is a real find, very constructive always a threat. Dare I say he looks too good for us, so is a great signing, as is Joe Bennett who was brilliant. His link up play and support with Tex bodes really well. We were a constant threat down the left hand side. Would have liked to have seen more of Gardner and possibly even Ince as I felt JFC and Crofts were never going to open the opposition up with their passes. I understand Bruno being preferred to Inigo, but he was poor going forward and his passes lacked precision and accuracy, especially when compared to Bennett on the other flank. Dunk was excellent. Commanding at the back and two wonderful goals. He rescued us without a doubt and it's great to see him performing so well. We may do well to keep him. As for Charlton, i thought they were much improved and were tactically very astute. I dont prescribe to the "park the bus"brigade. They snatched a lead and defended it, but they always looked capable of scaring us on the break and they played almost the entire match with two up top. On the balance of play, we dominated, but couldn't break them down, though were it not for Henderson's incredible save from Tex in the first half, and Colunga lifting Dunks header over the bar, it could have been much different. But goals influence tactics and we had to work hard to get our reward. I left highly optimistic for the future. Once Baldock and Colunga get a few games together I can see us rattling in some goals. I loved the approach and the entertainment and I look forward to seeing the improvement that playing together will bring.[/p][/quote]Excellent post! And I would agree with all you have written. I would like to keep CMS for the rest of the season but if club had offer for him tomorrow or next window I can't see them turning it down. I noticed from your post this is the first time you've seen us this season, so with that in mind do you think it's good to have a big target man within the match day squad? To those that have been this season home or away including pre season, can anyone tell me if they think OGrady is worthy of a place in our squad...BECAUSE I DONT!!! He surely can't be a Hypia signing based on the others he has bought in?[/p][/quote]C98, I think COG has a place in the squad because he does offer a specialist striker role the other three do not. He finds space and takes up good scoring positions in the box. Where he looks after the ball and when he does pull the trigger, COG usually gets his shots on target (it would be interesting to see his career shots on/off target stats?). That said I do think he will only be used sparingly as a Plan B option or as a foil for Sam B or CMS, in a traditional 4-4-2 set up. I for one hope all three other strikers stick around stay fit and rotate two from three, week in week out. I really like what I've seen of Adrian Colunga so far and until I see more of what Sam B has to offer at this level, my hope will be to see AC and CMS attacking from the off.[/p][/quote]Have to say I agree here. I think Sami will select a team for each individual match and opposition. If he sees a back line which might be vulnerable to a big front man then he will play COG. If they are a big tall back line he will play the smaller guys who hopefully will run rings round 'em. Putting quick balls through for our guys to run on to or low stinging crosses into the box for the little jab home. I'm happy with that. I also can't see why the CMS critics are getting so many thumbs down. I think he has lost a good yard of pace since his injury. He looks like he's running fast with his little legs but the Charlton defenders were outpacing him every time on Saturday. We wait to see the outcome on this one. But things are looking good, guys. We should be very optimistic as things stand! UTA!! Max Ripple
  • Score: -1
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