Bloom: We have squad to go up

Tony Bloom insists Albion can challenge for promotion

Tony Bloom insists Albion can challenge for promotion

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Tony Bloom believes Albion have the squad to challenge for promotion.

But he admits they had to come through a challenging summer transfer window to get there.

The Seagulls’ chairman, left, reckons recent results and performances – helped by some of their 11 new additions – have put the buzz back into the club.

And he is ready to think about another high-flying season after overcoming a tough start.

Bloom told The Argus: “As I say at the start of every season, we are trying to build a squad which has got the potential for getting promoted.

“That is our No.1 goal this season and I certainly think we have got the squad which could get there.”

Bloom, who enjoyed a quiet deadline day on Monday, believes recent performances back up his optimism.

Albion have taken seven points from three games going into the international break and Bloom believes supporters appreciate the brand of football being served up under Sami Hyypia.

He added: “I’ve sensed an extra excitement but a lot of that to do is with the style of football we are playing and how well we are playing since the Leeds game.

“The last two games have gone well with the way we are playing and really we should have won the game at the weekend (against Charlton) as well on the balance of play for sure.”

Albion’s only deadline day action saw back-up defender Vitalijs Maksimenko go out to VVV-Venlo for the rest of the season.

Bloom reckons it will be a similar story when the loan window opens.

He said: “There is always the possibility a couple of our players who aren’t going to be making the squads from week to week might go out on loan.

“We are not actively looking for any loans in but we are always mindful that we could have a couple of injuries.

“That is where the short-term loan system helps.

“But normally in terms of loans we much prefer longer-term loans.”

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7:19am Wed 3 Sep 14

the taffster says...

Not sure if I agree with you there Tony...I would have kept ulloa because he's good for 20 goals a season....and he would have stayed if the club had shown more ambition to bring in a couple of decent signings.at the time when he left the club was unloading players at a worrying rate....keeping your current squad together with a few new additions is the way forward.,..I would have liked to see ulloa playing with Tex and holla. Continuity is the way forward with both manager and players...assembling a new squad of 11 players can work but it didn't for spurs under avg when they sold bale.
Not sure if I agree with you there Tony...I would have kept ulloa because he's good for 20 goals a season....and he would have stayed if the club had shown more ambition to bring in a couple of decent signings.at the time when he left the club was unloading players at a worrying rate....keeping your current squad together with a few new additions is the way forward.,..I would have liked to see ulloa playing with Tex and holla. Continuity is the way forward with both manager and players...assembling a new squad of 11 players can work but it didn't for spurs under avg when they sold bale. the taffster
  • Score: -85

7:23am Wed 3 Sep 14

Singing Seagull, Indonesia says...

Agreed. Once the team learn to play off each others' strengths this should be a squad capable of fighting for a playoff place. And who knows, if they really get momentum going they could sneak an automatic place. Just a shame that it all happened six points too late, but c'est la vie, we are where we are so it's time to look forward, not back, and give our full support to Sami an his squad - it's now up to them to do it on the pitch.

UTA!!
Agreed. Once the team learn to play off each others' strengths this should be a squad capable of fighting for a playoff place. And who knows, if they really get momentum going they could sneak an automatic place. Just a shame that it all happened six points too late, but c'est la vie, we are where we are so it's time to look forward, not back, and give our full support to Sami an his squad - it's now up to them to do it on the pitch. UTA!! Singing Seagull, Indonesia
  • Score: 19

7:31am Wed 3 Sep 14

JeffLomer says...

I agree we have got one off the best squads we have seen at our club for a long time, that said doesn't guarantee us promotion, we all know how difficult this league is teams at the bottom can beat teams at the top, making the playoffs would be great, getting promoted would be a unbelievable achievement, the hardest thing for clubs like our is competing with clubs on parachute payments virtually impossible to compete with them, this season I would take playoffs, and just as important we've got Hyppia in charge this time next season so we are not going through the same as we've done for the last two seasons finding a new manager over the summer which takes time, we need stability at our club and hopefully we have that in Hyppia now,
Midfield and strikers we are sound, I would like to see a CB and a right back brought in on loan then I think we will have a complete squad to cover for injuries, exciting times at our great club!!
Up the Albion!!
I agree we have got one off the best squads we have seen at our club for a long time, that said doesn't guarantee us promotion, we all know how difficult this league is teams at the bottom can beat teams at the top, making the playoffs would be great, getting promoted would be a unbelievable achievement, the hardest thing for clubs like our is competing with clubs on parachute payments virtually impossible to compete with them, this season I would take playoffs, and just as important we've got Hyppia in charge this time next season so we are not going through the same as we've done for the last two seasons finding a new manager over the summer which takes time, we need stability at our club and hopefully we have that in Hyppia now, Midfield and strikers we are sound, I would like to see a CB and a right back brought in on loan then I think we will have a complete squad to cover for injuries, exciting times at our great club!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 18

7:47am Wed 3 Sep 14

arc12 says...

I hope he's right - my only concern is how long will it take for all the new players to settle, and might we regret the missed opportunities from those first 2 games we effectively threw away by not having the squad together in time. Also the fixtures on paper at least are only going to get harder.

I have definitely changed my feelings over this season from a likely mid-table finish to now being in with a realistic chance of the play offs, but we must be more clinical in front of goal to improve on last year. Charlton should have been beaten and I hope with all Sammi's new additions it doesn't take him too long to work out his best eleven.

It's great we now have so many more options but most sides who do well or get promoted invariably have settled sides for the most part so I hope there isn't too much rotation for the sake of it.

Still very much looking forward to the rest of the season though and am grateful for Burke and Bloom's additions brought in during the window. Looking forward to the Brentford game already!
I hope he's right - my only concern is how long will it take for all the new players to settle, and might we regret the missed opportunities from those first 2 games we effectively threw away by not having the squad together in time. Also the fixtures on paper at least are only going to get harder. I have definitely changed my feelings over this season from a likely mid-table finish to now being in with a realistic chance of the play offs, but we must be more clinical in front of goal to improve on last year. Charlton should have been beaten and I hope with all Sammi's new additions it doesn't take him too long to work out his best eleven. It's great we now have so many more options but most sides who do well or get promoted invariably have settled sides for the most part so I hope there isn't too much rotation for the sake of it. Still very much looking forward to the rest of the season though and am grateful for Burke and Bloom's additions brought in during the window. Looking forward to the Brentford game already! arc12
  • Score: 10

7:56am Wed 3 Sep 14

russellsnr2 says...

I stil think we have two main problems (1) We IMO are short in height up front when it comes in normal play, in set pieces we should be OK and I already stated yesterday that we should be able to get a top 6 finish again.
(2) With the break upon us the Argus will have to find news from the depths so please don't get on there backs!!!
I stil think we have two main problems (1) We IMO are short in height up front when it comes in normal play, in set pieces we should be OK and I already stated yesterday that we should be able to get a top 6 finish again. (2) With the break upon us the Argus will have to find news from the depths so please don't get on there backs!!! russellsnr2
  • Score: -16

8:05am Wed 3 Sep 14

JeffLomer says...

the taffster wrote:
Not sure if I agree with you there Tony...I would have kept ulloa because he's good for 20 goals a season....and he would have stayed if the club had shown more ambition to bring in a couple of decent signings.at the time when he left the club was unloading players at a worrying rate....keeping your current squad together with a few new additions is the way forward.,..I would have liked to see ulloa playing with Tex and holla. Continuity is the way forward with both manager and players...assembling a new squad of 11 players can work but it didn't for spurs under avg when they sold bale.
once a player hears a top side interested in them it turns there head they want out and it's always best to let them go, just ask Buckley he was interested one bit, we have got a decent squad how good will they do we will see at the end off may not after a few games,

As for spurs they spent all the Bale money on complete crap players and that my friend is down to Daniel Levy who does all the buying, not many off them players are there this season, Bales money might as well been set on fire because off Levy!!
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: Not sure if I agree with you there Tony...I would have kept ulloa because he's good for 20 goals a season....and he would have stayed if the club had shown more ambition to bring in a couple of decent signings.at the time when he left the club was unloading players at a worrying rate....keeping your current squad together with a few new additions is the way forward.,..I would have liked to see ulloa playing with Tex and holla. Continuity is the way forward with both manager and players...assembling a new squad of 11 players can work but it didn't for spurs under avg when they sold bale.[/p][/quote]once a player hears a top side interested in them it turns there head they want out and it's always best to let them go, just ask Buckley he was interested one bit, we have got a decent squad how good will they do we will see at the end off may not after a few games, As for spurs they spent all the Bale money on complete crap players and that my friend is down to Daniel Levy who does all the buying, not many off them players are there this season, Bales money might as well been set on fire because off Levy!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 8

8:09am Wed 3 Sep 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.
Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -66

8:20am Wed 3 Sep 14

London Dave says...

The last two years must surely have taught the club that, if we have ambitions on going up, we don't want to be good enough to challenge for the play offs. We want to be thinking, talking, planning and doing absolutely everything to get into the top two automatic spots. The play off should be a back stop if that all out plan doesn't work.

But are we good enough to get into the top two? Hmmn... In a word, 'no'.
The last two years must surely have taught the club that, if we have ambitions on going up, we don't want to be good enough to challenge for the play offs. We want to be thinking, talking, planning and doing absolutely everything to get into the top two automatic spots. The play off should be a back stop if that all out plan doesn't work. But are we good enough to get into the top two? Hmmn... In a word, 'no'. London Dave
  • Score: 13

8:23am Wed 3 Sep 14

Sheil says...

Mayfield how can you say such things?
You knew nothing about the goings on behind closed doors.

You must be aiming to get the biggest amount of thumbs down today!

UTA
Mayfield how can you say such things? You knew nothing about the goings on behind closed doors. You must be aiming to get the biggest amount of thumbs down today! UTA Sheil
  • Score: 1

8:29am Wed 3 Sep 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

London Dave wrote:
The last two years must surely have taught the club that, if we have ambitions on going up, we don't want to be good enough to challenge for the play offs. We want to be thinking, talking, planning and doing absolutely everything to get into the top two automatic spots. The play off should be a back stop if that all out plan doesn't work.

But are we good enough to get into the top two? Hmmn... In a word, 'no'.
Exactly. And the problem is that what strengths we do have like Teixeira, other clubs will quickly work out how to play against us and simply put a couple of big lumps on him to stop him and then we've got no plan B other than hoof it up the middle, but there's no target man, unless Dunk plays there, but then were exposed at the back. Unless any decent loan players are available it's a case of roll on January and go shopping.
[quote][p][bold]London Dave[/bold] wrote: The last two years must surely have taught the club that, if we have ambitions on going up, we don't want to be good enough to challenge for the play offs. We want to be thinking, talking, planning and doing absolutely everything to get into the top two automatic spots. The play off should be a back stop if that all out plan doesn't work. But are we good enough to get into the top two? Hmmn... In a word, 'no'.[/p][/quote]Exactly. And the problem is that what strengths we do have like Teixeira, other clubs will quickly work out how to play against us and simply put a couple of big lumps on him to stop him and then we've got no plan B other than hoof it up the middle, but there's no target man, unless Dunk plays there, but then were exposed at the back. Unless any decent loan players are available it's a case of roll on January and go shopping. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -50

8:29am Wed 3 Sep 14

Asleep in Dorset says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.
Mc Cormack's set the league on fire hasn't he !!
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.[/p][/quote]Mc Cormack's set the league on fire hasn't he !! Asleep in Dorset
  • Score: 42

8:45am Wed 3 Sep 14

Valentinian says...

I hope we finish one place behind Bournemouth and get automatic promotion .
I hope we finish one place behind Bournemouth and get automatic promotion . Valentinian
  • Score: -21

8:46am Wed 3 Sep 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

My feeling is that our chairman is being just a little disingenuous on this occasion.
My feeling is that our chairman is being just a little disingenuous on this occasion. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: -15

8:51am Wed 3 Sep 14

B rian Tawses left foot says...

Sheil says...

Mayfield how can you say such things?
You knew nothing about the goings on behind closed doors.

You must be aiming to get the biggest amount of thumbs down today!

UTA

Are 'thumbs down' anything other than trial by 'popular opinion' ?- ie if enough people believe it, it must be true. A cursory glimpse at history reveals the absurdity of such an approach.
Sheil says... Mayfield how can you say such things? You knew nothing about the goings on behind closed doors. You must be aiming to get the biggest amount of thumbs down today! UTA Are 'thumbs down' anything other than trial by 'popular opinion' ?- ie if enough people believe it, it must be true. A cursory glimpse at history reveals the absurdity of such an approach. B rian Tawses left foot
  • Score: 5

8:52am Wed 3 Sep 14

rroybha says...

For all those who still think Ulloa should not have been sold...
Guys football is also a business where one always tries to buy them cheap and sell them at a premium. Otherwise we would never survive at this level and then I believe everything in this world has a price, when you get that u sell it...Now people are concerned that we did not spend the money-look at it this way we have an owner who is British and whose primary aim is not to make money but to see the club successful as well as financially independent what's wrong in it??On the bright side we have got enough money from 3 guys to pay our one year's wage...Brilliant and very shrewd business in finding out all the free players...This season for me is going to be different where we will score a lot of goals and also concede few more than last but at least we are showing some character where conceding first does not mean an inevitable defeat... On the bright side squad looks promising and up for the challenge...About loosing out on 6 points yes we did but who knows we might still have with these players in...with the team trying to settle in and finally I always believe in "Slow and steady wins the race"
For all those who still think Ulloa should not have been sold... Guys football is also a business where one always tries to buy them cheap and sell them at a premium. Otherwise we would never survive at this level and then I believe everything in this world has a price, when you get that u sell it...Now people are concerned that we did not spend the money-look at it this way we have an owner who is British and whose primary aim is not to make money but to see the club successful as well as financially independent what's wrong in it??On the bright side we have got enough money from 3 guys to pay our one year's wage...Brilliant and very shrewd business in finding out all the free players...This season for me is going to be different where we will score a lot of goals and also concede few more than last but at least we are showing some character where conceding first does not mean an inevitable defeat... On the bright side squad looks promising and up for the challenge...About loosing out on 6 points yes we did but who knows we might still have with these players in...with the team trying to settle in and finally I always believe in "Slow and steady wins the race" rroybha
  • Score: 53

9:00am Wed 3 Sep 14

fratsomrover says...

I agree with TB and I expect us to be challenging throughout the season for a top berth. I like Sammi's approach to the game, refreshingly positive after OG, with his belief that scoring goals is going to accrue more points than not conceding goals.
I like what I've seen of Colunga and I think Baldock could well be challenging for the golden boot in this division. I'd rather have him than McCormack.
We have real competition for midfield which is great.
I'm not 100% sure about Stockdale yet, but it's early days and I think GG and Bruno will need to tighten up, but all in all I'm more positive than I was last season
I agree with TB and I expect us to be challenging throughout the season for a top berth. I like Sammi's approach to the game, refreshingly positive after OG, with his belief that scoring goals is going to accrue more points than not conceding goals. I like what I've seen of Colunga and I think Baldock could well be challenging for the golden boot in this division. I'd rather have him than McCormack. We have real competition for midfield which is great. I'm not 100% sure about Stockdale yet, but it's early days and I think GG and Bruno will need to tighten up, but all in all I'm more positive than I was last season fratsomrover
  • Score: 19

9:11am Wed 3 Sep 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Asleep in Dorset wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.
Mc Cormack's set the league on fire hasn't he !!
He will once fulham sack their manager, he has the quality every club needs at the end of the day.
[quote][p][bold]Asleep in Dorset[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.[/p][/quote]Mc Cormack's set the league on fire hasn't he !![/p][/quote]He will once fulham sack their manager, he has the quality every club needs at the end of the day. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -20

9:26am Wed 3 Sep 14

M T Wallet says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
Sheil says...

Mayfield how can you say such things?
You knew nothing about the goings on behind closed doors.

You must be aiming to get the biggest amount of thumbs down today!

UTA

Are 'thumbs down' anything other than trial by 'popular opinion' ?- ie if enough people believe it, it must be true. A cursory glimpse at history reveals the absurdity of such an approach.
Very true. Popular opinion is usually the antithesis of what is right.
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: Sheil says... Mayfield how can you say such things? You knew nothing about the goings on behind closed doors. You must be aiming to get the biggest amount of thumbs down today! UTA Are 'thumbs down' anything other than trial by 'popular opinion' ?- ie if enough people believe it, it must be true. A cursory glimpse at history reveals the absurdity of such an approach.[/p][/quote]Very true. Popular opinion is usually the antithesis of what is right. M T Wallet
  • Score: -2

9:31am Wed 3 Sep 14

Ken from Beamish says...

With all due respect to TB, I assume he was asked a direct question and had to answer in this way. He was hardly likely to say the opposite. I think we will be competitive as will a good many teams in this league, but do we have the in-depth quality of, say, Forest, Derby, Watford, Norwich, or Cardiff.? Personally, I don't think so. The club are trying to balance the books, and so have done well to bring in some quality during August. However, had hoped for Murray or Becchio to join on loan during the transfer window and disappointed to see both of those go to other clubs....especially Becchio to Rotherham. What's true is that we don't have a proven goalscorer at this level and, as we see with CMS, it's very physical and difficult if you don't have the physique to compete. Will be interesting come November when we see the effects of FFP highlighted. 18 months ago we appeared to be on the same level as Leicester - both beaten semi-finalists in the play-offs, similar size crowds. They invested heavily for promotion and were successful. We chose to stay within FFP. Will be interesting to see how these different strategies pan out. UTA.
With all due respect to TB, I assume he was asked a direct question and had to answer in this way. He was hardly likely to say the opposite. I think we will be competitive as will a good many teams in this league, but do we have the in-depth quality of, say, Forest, Derby, Watford, Norwich, or Cardiff.? Personally, I don't think so. The club are trying to balance the books, and so have done well to bring in some quality during August. However, had hoped for Murray or Becchio to join on loan during the transfer window and disappointed to see both of those go to other clubs....especially Becchio to Rotherham. What's true is that we don't have a proven goalscorer at this level and, as we see with CMS, it's very physical and difficult if you don't have the physique to compete. Will be interesting come November when we see the effects of FFP highlighted. 18 months ago we appeared to be on the same level as Leicester - both beaten semi-finalists in the play-offs, similar size crowds. They invested heavily for promotion and were successful. We chose to stay within FFP. Will be interesting to see how these different strategies pan out. UTA. Ken from Beamish
  • Score: 33

9:36am Wed 3 Sep 14

M T Wallet says...

I hate the International Break.
Some silly managers want a Winter Break too. Imagine that. No Football for weeks if the weather turns icy too. We have a Winter Break already. It's called the weather. ;-)
I hate the International Break. Some silly managers want a Winter Break too. Imagine that. No Football for weeks if the weather turns icy too. We have a Winter Break already. It's called the weather. ;-) M T Wallet
  • Score: 3

9:40am Wed 3 Sep 14

Old&Grey says...

I for one am happy with the changes this season, at least we are seeing an effort to play attacking football,for the last 3 seasons I have watched games,& wished I had stayed at home & painted the grass green,of the players who have left the only one I would have liked to stay would be Ulloa,but you can't stop somebody improving himself,which will undoubtedly happen in the premiership,plus more money.
The inclusion of Dunk & Bennet/Chicksen has lowered the average age & speeded up the defense,whilst the midfield will provide more chances to score,yes chances will be missed,but the more we create the greater the likelyhood of scoring
I for one am happy with the changes this season, at least we are seeing an effort to play attacking football,for the last 3 seasons I have watched games,& wished I had stayed at home & painted the grass green,of the players who have left the only one I would have liked to stay would be Ulloa,but you can't stop somebody improving himself,which will undoubtedly happen in the premiership,plus more money. The inclusion of Dunk & Bennet/Chicksen has lowered the average age & speeded up the defense,whilst the midfield will provide more chances to score,yes chances will be missed,but the more we create the greater the likelyhood of scoring Old&Grey
  • Score: 28

10:10am Wed 3 Sep 14

Neville says...

Ken from Beamish
Excellent well written piece,amazed you haven't been swamped by the normal totally blinkered so called fans who thumbs down everything regardless.
For info Bechio was on the clubs radar but was not interested in moving south,hence the Rotherham move,shame because he is a good player.
I believe we have a competitive mid table team who if they strengthen in Jan window could enter the top six,but reading TB piece looks like the club don't intend going this route unless injuries force the issue.
FFP will happen but much watered down due legal challenges already been registered.
Ken from Beamish Excellent well written piece,amazed you haven't been swamped by the normal totally blinkered so called fans who thumbs down everything regardless. For info Bechio was on the clubs radar but was not interested in moving south,hence the Rotherham move,shame because he is a good player. I believe we have a competitive mid table team who if they strengthen in Jan window could enter the top six,but reading TB piece looks like the club don't intend going this route unless injuries force the issue. FFP will happen but much watered down due legal challenges already been registered. Neville
  • Score: -10

10:18am Wed 3 Sep 14

bhapilar says...

I think TB is right that we now have a competitive team, however, we are already 5 games in with 8 points lost.
Knowing that we were selling players, it would have been good if we could have made some purchases prior to the season starting. This 2 week break is effectively our pre-season and it may be a few more weeks before the team have a full understanding and start to gel ( not just up front but also in defence ). Our 2 wins were against struggling opposition and we have put together a squad on a budget.
I think we will still have strengthen the squad again in the new year if we are serious about challenging... forget about automatic but possibly the 6th place.
Still, should be exciting !!
UTA
I think TB is right that we now have a competitive team, however, we are already 5 games in with 8 points lost. Knowing that we were selling players, it would have been good if we could have made some purchases prior to the season starting. This 2 week break is effectively our pre-season and it may be a few more weeks before the team have a full understanding and start to gel ( not just up front but also in defence ). Our 2 wins were against struggling opposition and we have put together a squad on a budget. I think we will still have strengthen the squad again in the new year if we are serious about challenging... forget about automatic but possibly the 6th place. Still, should be exciting !! UTA bhapilar
  • Score: 6

10:22am Wed 3 Sep 14

Piglet1 says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.
Please comment on Eastbourne Borough only as that is who you watch.
You tore up your Albion season ticket four weeks ago and you delighted in telling us all to emphasise how useless the club was and how we would not sign anyone
We then signed half a team but you my friend had already burnt your bridges. Goodbye.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.[/p][/quote]Please comment on Eastbourne Borough only as that is who you watch. You tore up your Albion season ticket four weeks ago and you delighted in telling us all to emphasise how useless the club was and how we would not sign anyone We then signed half a team but you my friend had already burnt your bridges. Goodbye. Piglet1
  • Score: 14

10:22am Wed 3 Sep 14

Cliify0002 says...

I don't see it as a promotion built side, challenging us one thing promotion success us another, we may have got a couple of good guys but in all the squad is weaker. To many let go that should be here . Sorry more smoke
I don't see it as a promotion built side, challenging us one thing promotion success us another, we may have got a couple of good guys but in all the squad is weaker. To many let go that should be here . Sorry more smoke Cliify0002
  • Score: -18

10:28am Wed 3 Sep 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

I am more than happy with the progress over the last few weeks. If Tony is happy then I'm happy. We are slowly but surely gathering momentum and I can guarantee we'll score more goals under Sami than last year.
And those who rue the fact we're 6 points adrift by losing the first two games shouldn't worry. We can still get enough points to gain automatic promotion. We should have beaten Charlton but our new team is still finding it's feet. I'm sorry Leo went but you can't hold on to players who want to move up the ladder. In football you deal with things and move on.
UTA
I am more than happy with the progress over the last few weeks. If Tony is happy then I'm happy. We are slowly but surely gathering momentum and I can guarantee we'll score more goals under Sami than last year. And those who rue the fact we're 6 points adrift by losing the first two games shouldn't worry. We can still get enough points to gain automatic promotion. We should have beaten Charlton but our new team is still finding it's feet. I'm sorry Leo went but you can't hold on to players who want to move up the ladder. In football you deal with things and move on. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 13

10:29am Wed 3 Sep 14

Crucial Point says...

Cliify0002 wrote:
I don't see it as a promotion built side, challenging us one thing promotion success us another, we may have got a couple of good guys but in all the squad is weaker. To many let go that should be here . Sorry more smoke
Yes, we are still missing a tall man up front without which, I think we will find goals difficult to come by in the tougher games. Smoke and mirrors.
[quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: I don't see it as a promotion built side, challenging us one thing promotion success us another, we may have got a couple of good guys but in all the squad is weaker. To many let go that should be here . Sorry more smoke[/p][/quote]Yes, we are still missing a tall man up front without which, I think we will find goals difficult to come by in the tougher games. Smoke and mirrors. Crucial Point
  • Score: 0

10:47am Wed 3 Sep 14

JeffLomer says...

Crucial Point wrote:
Cliify0002 wrote:
I don't see it as a promotion built side, challenging us one thing promotion success us another, we may have got a couple of good guys but in all the squad is weaker. To many let go that should be here . Sorry more smoke
Yes, we are still missing a tall man up front without which, I think we will find goals difficult to come by in the tougher games. Smoke and mirrors.
What's the obsession with a tall striker, we are not playing that kind off football hoofing it up in the air, it's football on the floor hitting them with pace, get over the tall striker it ain't happening,
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]Crucial Point[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: I don't see it as a promotion built side, challenging us one thing promotion success us another, we may have got a couple of good guys but in all the squad is weaker. To many let go that should be here . Sorry more smoke[/p][/quote]Yes, we are still missing a tall man up front without which, I think we will find goals difficult to come by in the tougher games. Smoke and mirrors.[/p][/quote]What's the obsession with a tall striker, we are not playing that kind off football hoofing it up in the air, it's football on the floor hitting them with pace, get over the tall striker it ain't happening, Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 11

10:54am Wed 3 Sep 14

pjwilk says...

Dont agree with Tony,there are 4-5 much stronger squads in this league that have spent real money and not got players on the cheap.Even Bournmouth have a stronger squad with such puny gates,and we have started late so hopefully a play-off place if we get a target man in.
Dont agree with Tony,there are 4-5 much stronger squads in this league that have spent real money and not got players on the cheap.Even Bournmouth have a stronger squad with such puny gates,and we have started late so hopefully a play-off place if we get a target man in. pjwilk
  • Score: 2

11:06am Wed 3 Sep 14

Cliify0002 says...

Ok no need for a tall striker, I request you inform me which part of his body dunk scored with
Ok no need for a tall striker, I request you inform me which part of his body dunk scored with Cliify0002
  • Score: -6

11:40am Wed 3 Sep 14

Eddy B says...

M T Wallet wrote:
I hate the International Break.
Some silly managers want a Winter Break too. Imagine that. No Football for weeks if the weather turns icy too. We have a Winter Break already. It's called the weather. ;-)
The Monster Raving Loony Party had what I thought was a superb policy in their manifesto. It was to make time decimal - we would have 10 hours in a day and 10 months in the year doing away with the really cold ones, January and February.
[quote][p][bold]M T Wallet[/bold] wrote: I hate the International Break. Some silly managers want a Winter Break too. Imagine that. No Football for weeks if the weather turns icy too. We have a Winter Break already. It's called the weather. ;-)[/p][/quote]The Monster Raving Loony Party had what I thought was a superb policy in their manifesto. It was to make time decimal - we would have 10 hours in a day and 10 months in the year doing away with the really cold ones, January and February. Eddy B
  • Score: 4

11:43am Wed 3 Sep 14

Crucial Point says...

T.B. is on record as stating that by the end of the transfer deadline, everyone would be happy with the team. A brief glance at this page will tell you that though some are... everyone isn't happy.
T.B. is on record as stating that by the end of the transfer deadline, everyone would be happy with the team. A brief glance at this page will tell you that though some are... everyone isn't happy. Crucial Point
  • Score: -5

11:46am Wed 3 Sep 14

the taffster says...

JeffLomer wrote:
the taffster wrote:
Not sure if I agree with you there Tony...I would have kept ulloa because he's good for 20 goals a season....and he would have stayed if the club had shown more ambition to bring in a couple of decent signings.at the time when he left the club was unloading players at a worrying rate....keeping your current squad together with a few new additions is the way forward.,..I would have liked to see ulloa playing with Tex and holla. Continuity is the way forward with both manager and players...assembling a new squad of 11 players can work but it didn't for spurs under avg when they sold bale.
once a player hears a top side interested in them it turns there head they want out and it's always best to let them go, just ask Buckley he was interested one bit, we have got a decent squad how good will they do we will see at the end off may not after a few games,

As for spurs they spent all the Bale money on complete crap players and that my friend is down to Daniel Levy who does all the buying, not many off them players are there this season, Bales money might as well been set on fire because off Levy!!
Up the Albion!!
Ulloa stated he wanted to stay at the Albion and gain promotion,but wanted to see a few more marque signings to help the cause...at the time it wasn't happening. All you can do now is watch him score 20 plus goals for Leicester.what's the point in getting these top players just to sell them...Burnley kept their squad together lastbseason
And look what they achieved....
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: Not sure if I agree with you there Tony...I would have kept ulloa because he's good for 20 goals a season....and he would have stayed if the club had shown more ambition to bring in a couple of decent signings.at the time when he left the club was unloading players at a worrying rate....keeping your current squad together with a few new additions is the way forward.,..I would have liked to see ulloa playing with Tex and holla. Continuity is the way forward with both manager and players...assembling a new squad of 11 players can work but it didn't for spurs under avg when they sold bale.[/p][/quote]once a player hears a top side interested in them it turns there head they want out and it's always best to let them go, just ask Buckley he was interested one bit, we have got a decent squad how good will they do we will see at the end off may not after a few games, As for spurs they spent all the Bale money on complete crap players and that my friend is down to Daniel Levy who does all the buying, not many off them players are there this season, Bales money might as well been set on fire because off Levy!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Ulloa stated he wanted to stay at the Albion and gain promotion,but wanted to see a few more marque signings to help the cause...at the time it wasn't happening. All you can do now is watch him score 20 plus goals for Leicester.what's the point in getting these top players just to sell them...Burnley kept their squad together lastbseason And look what they achieved.... the taffster
  • Score: -6

11:47am Wed 3 Sep 14

Eddy B says...

It's going to be a really interesting season as long as we stay in touch. The problem is the gap with the top two can escalate alarmingly after we lose or draw a few games and before you know it you are playing catch up when you are 4 or 5 wins adrift. While our team gels it must be the aim to stay in touch at least. Although we made the play offs last year we were to be fair some way off the standards of Derby and QPR. On the face of it our squad appears to have some depth especially in midfield but Ulloa is a sad loss even at that price (not only in attack but defensively too - critics are impressed with him so far in the premiership) - can Baldock replace him? Will our season hinge too much on who appears to be our most (only?) creative player, Teix?
It's going to be a really interesting season as long as we stay in touch. The problem is the gap with the top two can escalate alarmingly after we lose or draw a few games and before you know it you are playing catch up when you are 4 or 5 wins adrift. While our team gels it must be the aim to stay in touch at least. Although we made the play offs last year we were to be fair some way off the standards of Derby and QPR. On the face of it our squad appears to have some depth especially in midfield but Ulloa is a sad loss even at that price (not only in attack but defensively too - critics are impressed with him so far in the premiership) - can Baldock replace him? Will our season hinge too much on who appears to be our most (only?) creative player, Teix? Eddy B
  • Score: 9

11:48am Wed 3 Sep 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

Cliify0002 wrote:
Ok no need for a tall striker, I request you inform me which part of his body dunk scored with
Both goals were from corners, at which point we send the big guys up. The rest of the time we will play the ball on the deck and a big man will be wasted. Support West Han if you want that tedious, direct football.
[quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: Ok no need for a tall striker, I request you inform me which part of his body dunk scored with[/p][/quote]Both goals were from corners, at which point we send the big guys up. The rest of the time we will play the ball on the deck and a big man will be wasted. Support West Han if you want that tedious, direct football. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 11

11:51am Wed 3 Sep 14

JeffLomer says...

Cliify0002 wrote:
Ok no need for a tall striker, I request you inform me which part of his body dunk scored with
We are using the CB for set pieces, his head what do you think it was, you don't have to be six foot plus to score a header, Crouch might be a giant but when has he scored 20 goals a season, height has nothing to do with anything your either a goal scorer or your not!!
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: Ok no need for a tall striker, I request you inform me which part of his body dunk scored with[/p][/quote]We are using the CB for set pieces, his head what do you think it was, you don't have to be six foot plus to score a header, Crouch might be a giant but when has he scored 20 goals a season, height has nothing to do with anything your either a goal scorer or your not!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 6

12:00pm Wed 3 Sep 14

JeffLomer says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Cliify0002 wrote:
Ok no need for a tall striker, I request you inform me which part of his body dunk scored with
Both goals were from corners, at which point we send the big guys up. The rest of the time we will play the ball on the deck and a big man will be wasted. Support West Han if you want that tedious, direct football.
Good luck with him, he doesn't get it I'm afraid!!
Up the Albion!!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: Ok no need for a tall striker, I request you inform me which part of his body dunk scored with[/p][/quote]Both goals were from corners, at which point we send the big guys up. The rest of the time we will play the ball on the deck and a big man will be wasted. Support West Han if you want that tedious, direct football.[/p][/quote]Good luck with him, he doesn't get it I'm afraid!! Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 7

12:04pm Wed 3 Sep 14

CantUseNSCatWork says...

Not convinced we have the "squad" to go up. We may well have a 1st eleven to go up but I still fear we are a couple of injuries to key players away from turning into also-rans.

Not a moan, just an opinion.
Not convinced we have the "squad" to go up. We may well have a 1st eleven to go up but I still fear we are a couple of injuries to key players away from turning into also-rans. Not a moan, just an opinion. CantUseNSCatWork
  • Score: -1

12:33pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Clean Sheet says...

It is too early to say how successful this squad will be this season. However I think we have made a number of excellent signings, and our squad is as least as good, of not better than last season. Yes we have sold our main striker, but when PL clubs come dangling monies to Agents, then we really only have the option of getting the right price. Same for Bridders and Buckers. So UTA and here's hoping for a successful season!
It is too early to say how successful this squad will be this season. However I think we have made a number of excellent signings, and our squad is as least as good, of not better than last season. Yes we have sold our main striker, but when PL clubs come dangling monies to Agents, then we really only have the option of getting the right price. Same for Bridders and Buckers. So UTA and here's hoping for a successful season! Clean Sheet
  • Score: 8

1:27pm Wed 3 Sep 14

championshipgull says...

Must be like poker for Tony when you fold and get a new hand. New Manager, new Players, new system. Except in poker you know exactly what you have got strait away. In football it takes a little longer to figure out what your hand is. If Sami can play the cards right this squad is capable of promotion. I remember a few seasons ago, Reading mid table at Christmas and then going on to get Auto, so plenty of time for the new hand to span out.
Must be like poker for Tony when you fold and get a new hand. New Manager, new Players, new system. Except in poker you know exactly what you have got strait away. In football it takes a little longer to figure out what your hand is. If Sami can play the cards right this squad is capable of promotion. I remember a few seasons ago, Reading mid table at Christmas and then going on to get Auto, so plenty of time for the new hand to span out. championshipgull
  • Score: 10

1:42pm Wed 3 Sep 14

9 of us says...

'I remember a few seasons ago, Reading mid table at Christmas and then going on to get Auto, '
Who wrote those 2 books ?
'I remember a few seasons ago, Reading mid table at Christmas and then going on to get Auto, ' Who wrote those 2 books ? 9 of us
  • Score: -2

1:56pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

Piglet1 wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.
Please comment on Eastbourne Borough only as that is who you watch.
You tore up your Albion season ticket four weeks ago and you delighted in telling us all to emphasise how useless the club was and how we would not sign anyone
We then signed half a team but you my friend had already burnt your bridges. Goodbye.
Oh yes talking of which, 'We're top of the league! We're top of the leeeeeeeeeeeeague! We're Eastbourne Borough! We're top of the league!'
Might as well seeing as no one will get the chance to sing that about the albion for a while.
[quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.[/p][/quote]Please comment on Eastbourne Borough only as that is who you watch. You tore up your Albion season ticket four weeks ago and you delighted in telling us all to emphasise how useless the club was and how we would not sign anyone We then signed half a team but you my friend had already burnt your bridges. Goodbye.[/p][/quote]Oh yes talking of which, 'We're top of the league! We're top of the leeeeeeeeeeeeague! We're Eastbourne Borough! We're top of the league!' Might as well seeing as no one will get the chance to sing that about the albion for a while. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -17

2:21pm Wed 3 Sep 14

mikeygit says...

ON balance I agree with TB and many of todays `posters ` We have a good balance of youth and experience and given a few games down the road we will begin to see the picture emerging as to how good a team they are. At this early stage I see a team that will play well together once they get to know each other and gell. A team that will fight for results, particularly if we go a goal down, as has already been seen. As to several comments about selling Ulloa--I wish some people would get into their heads that apart from a football club, it is a business and selling Ulloa---however unpalatable ---was good business. The books have to be balanced at some stage and that was an opportunity to help in that direction. May not have got a suitable replacement but with the number of new players collectively we may have done just that. The international break also gives Sammi an ideal opportunity to get all the players together and playing well as a unit. I am looking forward to the next game to see what work has been done on the Training Pitch!! UTA
ON balance I agree with TB and many of todays `posters ` We have a good balance of youth and experience and given a few games down the road we will begin to see the picture emerging as to how good a team they are. At this early stage I see a team that will play well together once they get to know each other and gell. A team that will fight for results, particularly if we go a goal down, as has already been seen. As to several comments about selling Ulloa--I wish some people would get into their heads that apart from a football club, it is a business and selling Ulloa---however unpalatable ---was good business. The books have to be balanced at some stage and that was an opportunity to help in that direction. May not have got a suitable replacement but with the number of new players collectively we may have done just that. The international break also gives Sammi an ideal opportunity to get all the players together and playing well as a unit. I am looking forward to the next game to see what work has been done on the Training Pitch!! UTA mikeygit
  • Score: 9

2:41pm Wed 3 Sep 14

heshootshescores says...

Interesting article. Interesting comments. Can't believe the first post is getting so many thumbs down as the guy is actually spot on when he says building on a successful squad with a few key additions is the way to win promotion from the Championship.

I think most of us understand that losing Ulloa and Buckley was inevitable once they had their heads turned by "interest" from Premier League clubs. But, even allowing for the fact that Buckley was not a guy we could count on from week-to-week, they were both "quality" players and virtually irreplaceable.

For a couple of weeks, it looked as though the squad would struggle to stay out of the bottom six. Fortunately, the suits took drastic action and look to have made some good additions.

It's too early to judge the new arrivals...and we're just guessing right now who will turn out to be above average and who will be below. The indications are that Teixeira and Holla are class and that Toko and O'Grady might not be up to that much.

We seem to have way too many midfielders competing for 3/4 positions and not enough cover in central defence. As for attacking power, much will depend on whether Baldock can repeat his goalscoring exploits of last season at one level higher. I too am concerned that we don't have a target man when we need to resort to Plan B.

Like most Seagulls fans, I'm more optimistic than I was a couple of weeks ago, but I won't be rushing to the bookies to back Brighton for promotion. I think it will take Sami a fair amount of time to work out what his best starting XI is and I see this more as a season of consolidation after the massive upheaval during the last two years.
Interesting article. Interesting comments. Can't believe the first post is getting so many thumbs down as the guy is actually spot on when he says building on a successful squad with a few key additions is the way to win promotion from the Championship. I think most of us understand that losing Ulloa and Buckley was inevitable once they had their heads turned by "interest" from Premier League clubs. But, even allowing for the fact that Buckley was not a guy we could count on from week-to-week, they were both "quality" players and virtually irreplaceable. For a couple of weeks, it looked as though the squad would struggle to stay out of the bottom six. Fortunately, the suits took drastic action and look to have made some good additions. It's too early to judge the new arrivals...and we're just guessing right now who will turn out to be above average and who will be below. The indications are that Teixeira and Holla are class and that Toko and O'Grady might not be up to that much. We seem to have way too many midfielders competing for 3/4 positions and not enough cover in central defence. As for attacking power, much will depend on whether Baldock can repeat his goalscoring exploits of last season at one level higher. I too am concerned that we don't have a target man when we need to resort to Plan B. Like most Seagulls fans, I'm more optimistic than I was a couple of weeks ago, but I won't be rushing to the bookies to back Brighton for promotion. I think it will take Sami a fair amount of time to work out what his best starting XI is and I see this more as a season of consolidation after the massive upheaval during the last two years. heshootshescores
  • Score: 15

2:51pm Wed 3 Sep 14

championshipgull says...

9 of us wrote:
'I remember a few seasons ago, Reading mid table at Christmas and then going on to get Auto, '
Who wrote those 2 books ?
Written In the book, Statto.com/football.


November 2011, Reading 16th in the Championship then went on and won the league.

Especially for all those fretting about dropped points after 5 games
[quote][p][bold]9 of us[/bold] wrote: 'I remember a few seasons ago, Reading mid table at Christmas and then going on to get Auto, ' Who wrote those 2 books ?[/p][/quote]Written In the book, Statto.com/football. November 2011, Reading 16th in the Championship then went on and won the league. Especially for all those fretting about dropped points after 5 games championshipgull
  • Score: 12

3:08pm Wed 3 Sep 14

SeagullOverSelsey says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Crucial Point wrote:
Cliify0002 wrote:
I don't see it as a promotion built side, challenging us one thing promotion success us another, we may have got a couple of good guys but in all the squad is weaker. To many let go that should be here . Sorry more smoke
Yes, we are still missing a tall man up front without which, I think we will find goals difficult to come by in the tougher games. Smoke and mirrors.
What's the obsession with a tall striker, we are not playing that kind off football hoofing it up in the air, it's football on the floor hitting them with pace, get over the tall striker it ain't happening,
Up the Albion!!
Yes well said Jeff! Totally agree.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crucial Point[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: I don't see it as a promotion built side, challenging us one thing promotion success us another, we may have got a couple of good guys but in all the squad is weaker. To many let go that should be here . Sorry more smoke[/p][/quote]Yes, we are still missing a tall man up front without which, I think we will find goals difficult to come by in the tougher games. Smoke and mirrors.[/p][/quote]What's the obsession with a tall striker, we are not playing that kind off football hoofing it up in the air, it's football on the floor hitting them with pace, get over the tall striker it ain't happening, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Yes well said Jeff! Totally agree. SeagullOverSelsey
  • Score: 1

3:33pm Wed 3 Sep 14

VegasSeagull says...

I think it fair to say that we have a squad good enough to challenge for promotion, but I don't think that, 'any,' squad can be claimed to be good enough to, 'obtain,' promotion, not so early in the season. Every pundit knows what a tough division this is and always has been, and to expect the unexpected is the right thing to do.

Looking at the assembled squad I would describe Hyypia's plan as, 'posession with a purpous,' rather than, 'posession for posession's sake,' which for two years was the case, IMHO. People will talk of our strikers and some will call for a, 'target man,' but if we are to challenge for promotion we must have a strong threat from midfield, and it would appear today that we have that. This season should show that we don't need 20+ goals from Ulloa to mount a challenge, we might well see three or four players averaging 10 each added to the goals from CMS and Colunga. Tex, Crofts, Stephens, Baldock, Kaz, McCourt, O'Grady and JFC will all get on the score sheet sooner or later.

We are no longer a team built around Ulloa, now we are a team built on a dangerous midfield with a couple of poachers added to the mix.
I think it fair to say that we have a squad good enough to challenge for promotion, but I don't think that, 'any,' squad can be claimed to be good enough to, 'obtain,' promotion, not so early in the season. Every pundit knows what a tough division this is and always has been, and to expect the unexpected is the right thing to do. Looking at the assembled squad I would describe Hyypia's plan as, 'posession with a purpous,' rather than, 'posession for posession's sake,' which for two years was the case, IMHO. People will talk of our strikers and some will call for a, 'target man,' but if we are to challenge for promotion we must have a strong threat from midfield, and it would appear today that we have that. This season should show that we don't need 20+ goals from Ulloa to mount a challenge, we might well see three or four players averaging 10 each added to the goals from CMS and Colunga. Tex, Crofts, Stephens, Baldock, Kaz, McCourt, O'Grady and JFC will all get on the score sheet sooner or later. We are no longer a team built around Ulloa, now we are a team built on a dangerous midfield with a couple of poachers added to the mix. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 10

4:08pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Max Ripple says...

9 of us wrote:
'I remember a few seasons ago, Reading mid table at Christmas and then going on to get Auto, '
Who wrote those 2 books ?
Can't believe some on here just didn't get the joke. Nice one.
[quote][p][bold]9 of us[/bold] wrote: 'I remember a few seasons ago, Reading mid table at Christmas and then going on to get Auto, ' Who wrote those 2 books ?[/p][/quote]Can't believe some on here just didn't get the joke. Nice one. Max Ripple
  • Score: -2

4:10pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Max Ripple says...

Crucial Point wrote:
T.B. is on record as stating that by the end of the transfer deadline, everyone would be happy with the team. A brief glance at this page will tell you that though some are... everyone isn't happy.
You can't please all of the people all of etc etc........

By the way, anyone noticed - TB looks like he's been out on the razz all night in the photo. Or was it an all nighter poker session?
[quote][p][bold]Crucial Point[/bold] wrote: T.B. is on record as stating that by the end of the transfer deadline, everyone would be happy with the team. A brief glance at this page will tell you that though some are... everyone isn't happy.[/p][/quote]You can't please all of the people all of etc etc........ By the way, anyone noticed - TB looks like he's been out on the razz all night in the photo. Or was it an all nighter poker session? Max Ripple
  • Score: 2

4:18pm Wed 3 Sep 14

VegasSeagull says...

heshootshescores wrote:
Interesting article. Interesting comments. Can't believe the first post is getting so many thumbs down as the guy is actually spot on when he says building on a successful squad with a few key additions is the way to win promotion from the Championship.

I think most of us understand that losing Ulloa and Buckley was inevitable once they had their heads turned by "interest" from Premier League clubs. But, even allowing for the fact that Buckley was not a guy we could count on from week-to-week, they were both "quality" players and virtually irreplaceable.

For a couple of weeks, it looked as though the squad would struggle to stay out of the bottom six. Fortunately, the suits took drastic action and look to have made some good additions.

It's too early to judge the new arrivals...and we're just guessing right now who will turn out to be above average and who will be below. The indications are that Teixeira and Holla are class and that Toko and O'Grady might not be up to that much.

We seem to have way too many midfielders competing for 3/4 positions and not enough cover in central defence. As for attacking power, much will depend on whether Baldock can repeat his goalscoring exploits of last season at one level higher. I too am concerned that we don't have a target man when we need to resort to Plan B.

Like most Seagulls fans, I'm more optimistic than I was a couple of weeks ago, but I won't be rushing to the bookies to back Brighton for promotion. I think it will take Sami a fair amount of time to work out what his best starting XI is and I see this more as a season of consolidation after the massive upheaval during the last two years.
So if we had the, 'target man,' what would your line up be, we can call the target man, MR. X.
[quote][p][bold]heshootshescores[/bold] wrote: Interesting article. Interesting comments. Can't believe the first post is getting so many thumbs down as the guy is actually spot on when he says building on a successful squad with a few key additions is the way to win promotion from the Championship. I think most of us understand that losing Ulloa and Buckley was inevitable once they had their heads turned by "interest" from Premier League clubs. But, even allowing for the fact that Buckley was not a guy we could count on from week-to-week, they were both "quality" players and virtually irreplaceable. For a couple of weeks, it looked as though the squad would struggle to stay out of the bottom six. Fortunately, the suits took drastic action and look to have made some good additions. It's too early to judge the new arrivals...and we're just guessing right now who will turn out to be above average and who will be below. The indications are that Teixeira and Holla are class and that Toko and O'Grady might not be up to that much. We seem to have way too many midfielders competing for 3/4 positions and not enough cover in central defence. As for attacking power, much will depend on whether Baldock can repeat his goalscoring exploits of last season at one level higher. I too am concerned that we don't have a target man when we need to resort to Plan B. Like most Seagulls fans, I'm more optimistic than I was a couple of weeks ago, but I won't be rushing to the bookies to back Brighton for promotion. I think it will take Sami a fair amount of time to work out what his best starting XI is and I see this more as a season of consolidation after the massive upheaval during the last two years.[/p][/quote]So if we had the, 'target man,' what would your line up be, we can call the target man, MR. X. VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

4:30pm Wed 3 Sep 14

SMF20 says...

Sorry if this has been posted already

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/29
045617
Sorry if this has been posted already http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/29 045617 SMF20
  • Score: 3

4:37pm Wed 3 Sep 14

heshootshescores says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
heshootshescores wrote:
Interesting article. Interesting comments. Can't believe the first post is getting so many thumbs down as the guy is actually spot on when he says building on a successful squad with a few key additions is the way to win promotion from the Championship.

I think most of us understand that losing Ulloa and Buckley was inevitable once they had their heads turned by "interest" from Premier League clubs. But, even allowing for the fact that Buckley was not a guy we could count on from week-to-week, they were both "quality" players and virtually irreplaceable.

For a couple of weeks, it looked as though the squad would struggle to stay out of the bottom six. Fortunately, the suits took drastic action and look to have made some good additions.

It's too early to judge the new arrivals...and we're just guessing right now who will turn out to be above average and who will be below. The indications are that Teixeira and Holla are class and that Toko and O'Grady might not be up to that much.

We seem to have way too many midfielders competing for 3/4 positions and not enough cover in central defence. As for attacking power, much will depend on whether Baldock can repeat his goalscoring exploits of last season at one level higher. I too am concerned that we don't have a target man when we need to resort to Plan B.

Like most Seagulls fans, I'm more optimistic than I was a couple of weeks ago, but I won't be rushing to the bookies to back Brighton for promotion. I think it will take Sami a fair amount of time to work out what his best starting XI is and I see this more as a season of consolidation after the massive upheaval during the last two years.
So if we had the, 'target man,' what would your line up be, we can call the target man, MR. X.
Sometimes you have to play more direct football, especially when you're chasing the game, like we were on Saturday. You need someone to win the ball in the box for the likes of Baldock and CMS to feed off. Who is that man?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heshootshescores[/bold] wrote: Interesting article. Interesting comments. Can't believe the first post is getting so many thumbs down as the guy is actually spot on when he says building on a successful squad with a few key additions is the way to win promotion from the Championship. I think most of us understand that losing Ulloa and Buckley was inevitable once they had their heads turned by "interest" from Premier League clubs. But, even allowing for the fact that Buckley was not a guy we could count on from week-to-week, they were both "quality" players and virtually irreplaceable. For a couple of weeks, it looked as though the squad would struggle to stay out of the bottom six. Fortunately, the suits took drastic action and look to have made some good additions. It's too early to judge the new arrivals...and we're just guessing right now who will turn out to be above average and who will be below. The indications are that Teixeira and Holla are class and that Toko and O'Grady might not be up to that much. We seem to have way too many midfielders competing for 3/4 positions and not enough cover in central defence. As for attacking power, much will depend on whether Baldock can repeat his goalscoring exploits of last season at one level higher. I too am concerned that we don't have a target man when we need to resort to Plan B. Like most Seagulls fans, I'm more optimistic than I was a couple of weeks ago, but I won't be rushing to the bookies to back Brighton for promotion. I think it will take Sami a fair amount of time to work out what his best starting XI is and I see this more as a season of consolidation after the massive upheaval during the last two years.[/p][/quote]So if we had the, 'target man,' what would your line up be, we can call the target man, MR. X.[/p][/quote]Sometimes you have to play more direct football, especially when you're chasing the game, like we were on Saturday. You need someone to win the ball in the box for the likes of Baldock and CMS to feed off. Who is that man? heshootshescores
  • Score: 5

4:44pm Wed 3 Sep 14

VegasSeagull says...

heshootshescores wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
heshootshescores wrote:
Interesting article. Interesting comments. Can't believe the first post is getting so many thumbs down as the guy is actually spot on when he says building on a successful squad with a few key additions is the way to win promotion from the Championship.

I think most of us understand that losing Ulloa and Buckley was inevitable once they had their heads turned by "interest" from Premier League clubs. But, even allowing for the fact that Buckley was not a guy we could count on from week-to-week, they were both "quality" players and virtually irreplaceable.

For a couple of weeks, it looked as though the squad would struggle to stay out of the bottom six. Fortunately, the suits took drastic action and look to have made some good additions.

It's too early to judge the new arrivals...and we're just guessing right now who will turn out to be above average and who will be below. The indications are that Teixeira and Holla are class and that Toko and O'Grady might not be up to that much.

We seem to have way too many midfielders competing for 3/4 positions and not enough cover in central defence. As for attacking power, much will depend on whether Baldock can repeat his goalscoring exploits of last season at one level higher. I too am concerned that we don't have a target man when we need to resort to Plan B.

Like most Seagulls fans, I'm more optimistic than I was a couple of weeks ago, but I won't be rushing to the bookies to back Brighton for promotion. I think it will take Sami a fair amount of time to work out what his best starting XI is and I see this more as a season of consolidation after the massive upheaval during the last two years.
So if we had the, 'target man,' what would your line up be, we can call the target man, MR. X.
Sometimes you have to play more direct football, especially when you're chasing the game, like we were on Saturday. You need someone to win the ball in the box for the likes of Baldock and CMS to feed off. Who is that man?
so what would your line up be to start the next match with the added Mr. X target man?
[quote][p][bold]heshootshescores[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heshootshescores[/bold] wrote: Interesting article. Interesting comments. Can't believe the first post is getting so many thumbs down as the guy is actually spot on when he says building on a successful squad with a few key additions is the way to win promotion from the Championship. I think most of us understand that losing Ulloa and Buckley was inevitable once they had their heads turned by "interest" from Premier League clubs. But, even allowing for the fact that Buckley was not a guy we could count on from week-to-week, they were both "quality" players and virtually irreplaceable. For a couple of weeks, it looked as though the squad would struggle to stay out of the bottom six. Fortunately, the suits took drastic action and look to have made some good additions. It's too early to judge the new arrivals...and we're just guessing right now who will turn out to be above average and who will be below. The indications are that Teixeira and Holla are class and that Toko and O'Grady might not be up to that much. We seem to have way too many midfielders competing for 3/4 positions and not enough cover in central defence. As for attacking power, much will depend on whether Baldock can repeat his goalscoring exploits of last season at one level higher. I too am concerned that we don't have a target man when we need to resort to Plan B. Like most Seagulls fans, I'm more optimistic than I was a couple of weeks ago, but I won't be rushing to the bookies to back Brighton for promotion. I think it will take Sami a fair amount of time to work out what his best starting XI is and I see this more as a season of consolidation after the massive upheaval during the last two years.[/p][/quote]So if we had the, 'target man,' what would your line up be, we can call the target man, MR. X.[/p][/quote]Sometimes you have to play more direct football, especially when you're chasing the game, like we were on Saturday. You need someone to win the ball in the box for the likes of Baldock and CMS to feed off. Who is that man?[/p][/quote]so what would your line up be to start the next match with the added Mr. X target man? VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

4:56pm Wed 3 Sep 14

heshootshescores says...

heshootshescores wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
heshootshescores wrote:
Interesting article. Interesting comments. Can't believe the first post is getting so many thumbs down as the guy is actually spot on when he says building on a successful squad with a few key additions is the way to win promotion from the Championship.

I think most of us understand that losing Ulloa and Buckley was inevitable once they had their heads turned by "interest" from Premier League clubs. But, even allowing for the fact that Buckley was not a guy we could count on from week-to-week, they were both "quality" players and virtually irreplaceable.

For a couple of weeks, it looked as though the squad would struggle to stay out of the bottom six. Fortunately, the suits took drastic action and look to have made some good additions.

It's too early to judge the new arrivals...and we're just guessing right now who will turn out to be above average and who will be below. The indications are that Teixeira and Holla are class and that Toko and O'Grady might not be up to that much.

We seem to have way too many midfielders competing for 3/4 positions and not enough cover in central defence. As for attacking power, much will depend on whether Baldock can repeat his goalscoring exploits of last season at one level higher. I too am concerned that we don't have a target man when we need to resort to Plan B.

Like most Seagulls fans, I'm more optimistic than I was a couple of weeks ago, but I won't be rushing to the bookies to back Brighton for promotion. I think it will take Sami a fair amount of time to work out what his best starting XI is and I see this more as a season of consolidation after the massive upheaval during the last two years.
So if we had the, 'target man,' what would your line up be, we can call the target man, MR. X.
Sometimes you have to play more direct football, especially when you're chasing the game, like we were on Saturday. You need someone to win the ball in the box for the likes of Baldock and CMS to feed off. Who is that man?
Are you old enough to remember Smash and Grab, Vegas? Alan Warboys and Bruce Bannister, who played for Bristol Rovers and thrashed us 8-2 at the Goldstone during Cloughie's 44-day reign.

Call me a traditionalist but I have always liked to play two up front with at least one supporting wide man...something along the lines of Peter Ward, Teddy Maybank and Spider Mellor.

So, in an ideal world, it would be Baldock, O'Grady and LuaLua...but that's not going to happen as (a) O'Grady has yet to prove himself and (b) LuaLua can't seem to last 90 mins. Maybe we'll sign a Sam Vokes/Michael Robinson-type player on loan?
[quote][p][bold]heshootshescores[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heshootshescores[/bold] wrote: Interesting article. Interesting comments. Can't believe the first post is getting so many thumbs down as the guy is actually spot on when he says building on a successful squad with a few key additions is the way to win promotion from the Championship. I think most of us understand that losing Ulloa and Buckley was inevitable once they had their heads turned by "interest" from Premier League clubs. But, even allowing for the fact that Buckley was not a guy we could count on from week-to-week, they were both "quality" players and virtually irreplaceable. For a couple of weeks, it looked as though the squad would struggle to stay out of the bottom six. Fortunately, the suits took drastic action and look to have made some good additions. It's too early to judge the new arrivals...and we're just guessing right now who will turn out to be above average and who will be below. The indications are that Teixeira and Holla are class and that Toko and O'Grady might not be up to that much. We seem to have way too many midfielders competing for 3/4 positions and not enough cover in central defence. As for attacking power, much will depend on whether Baldock can repeat his goalscoring exploits of last season at one level higher. I too am concerned that we don't have a target man when we need to resort to Plan B. Like most Seagulls fans, I'm more optimistic than I was a couple of weeks ago, but I won't be rushing to the bookies to back Brighton for promotion. I think it will take Sami a fair amount of time to work out what his best starting XI is and I see this more as a season of consolidation after the massive upheaval during the last two years.[/p][/quote]So if we had the, 'target man,' what would your line up be, we can call the target man, MR. X.[/p][/quote]Sometimes you have to play more direct football, especially when you're chasing the game, like we were on Saturday. You need someone to win the ball in the box for the likes of Baldock and CMS to feed off. Who is that man?[/p][/quote]Are you old enough to remember Smash and Grab, Vegas? Alan Warboys and Bruce Bannister, who played for Bristol Rovers and thrashed us 8-2 at the Goldstone during Cloughie's 44-day reign. Call me a traditionalist but I have always liked to play two up front with at least one supporting wide man...something along the lines of Peter Ward, Teddy Maybank and Spider Mellor. So, in an ideal world, it would be Baldock, O'Grady and LuaLua...but that's not going to happen as (a) O'Grady has yet to prove himself and (b) LuaLua can't seem to last 90 mins. Maybe we'll sign a Sam Vokes/Michael Robinson-type player on loan? heshootshescores
  • Score: 5

5:05pm Wed 3 Sep 14

jockithenoo says...

9 of us wrote:
'I remember a few seasons ago, Reading mid table at Christmas and then going on to get Auto, '
Who wrote those 2 books ?
Don't forget reading played six won 1 drawn 1 lost 4 = 4 points !!!!
It's not how you start is how you finish that counts.
Let's wait and see.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]9 of us[/bold] wrote: 'I remember a few seasons ago, Reading mid table at Christmas and then going on to get Auto, ' Who wrote those 2 books ?[/p][/quote]Don't forget reading played six won 1 drawn 1 lost 4 = 4 points !!!! It's not how you start is how you finish that counts. Let's wait and see. UTA jockithenoo
  • Score: 5

5:20pm Wed 3 Sep 14

VegasSeagull says...

heshootshescores wrote:
heshootshescores wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
heshootshescores wrote:
Interesting article. Interesting comments. Can't believe the first post is getting so many thumbs down as the guy is actually spot on when he says building on a successful squad with a few key additions is the way to win promotion from the Championship.

I think most of us understand that losing Ulloa and Buckley was inevitable once they had their heads turned by "interest" from Premier League clubs. But, even allowing for the fact that Buckley was not a guy we could count on from week-to-week, they were both "quality" players and virtually irreplaceable.

For a couple of weeks, it looked as though the squad would struggle to stay out of the bottom six. Fortunately, the suits took drastic action and look to have made some good additions.

It's too early to judge the new arrivals...and we're just guessing right now who will turn out to be above average and who will be below. The indications are that Teixeira and Holla are class and that Toko and O'Grady might not be up to that much.

We seem to have way too many midfielders competing for 3/4 positions and not enough cover in central defence. As for attacking power, much will depend on whether Baldock can repeat his goalscoring exploits of last season at one level higher. I too am concerned that we don't have a target man when we need to resort to Plan B.

Like most Seagulls fans, I'm more optimistic than I was a couple of weeks ago, but I won't be rushing to the bookies to back Brighton for promotion. I think it will take Sami a fair amount of time to work out what his best starting XI is and I see this more as a season of consolidation after the massive upheaval during the last two years.
So if we had the, 'target man,' what would your line up be, we can call the target man, MR. X.
Sometimes you have to play more direct football, especially when you're chasing the game, like we were on Saturday. You need someone to win the ball in the box for the likes of Baldock and CMS to feed off. Who is that man?
Are you old enough to remember Smash and Grab, Vegas? Alan Warboys and Bruce Bannister, who played for Bristol Rovers and thrashed us 8-2 at the Goldstone during Cloughie's 44-day reign.

Call me a traditionalist but I have always liked to play two up front with at least one supporting wide man...something along the lines of Peter Ward, Teddy Maybank and Spider Mellor.

So, in an ideal world, it would be Baldock, O'Grady and LuaLua...but that's not going to happen as (a) O'Grady has yet to prove himself and (b) LuaLua can't seem to last 90 mins. Maybe we'll sign a Sam Vokes/Michael Robinson-type player on loan?
yep I'm old enough to remember.
I have asked the question I posed to you, name your line up with a target man, to all those who say we need one, but I never get a difinitive answer.
I can see the attraction of having a target man but if we have one, someone must stand down. We have a squad, we know the key players from back to front, so how do we fit a target man into our line up? Don't consider who we might sign as a target man, just name eleven players back to front from our present squad but add a target man, it can be an in form O'Grady if you want, or a Mr. X.

The reason why I am pushing this point is simply due to so many calling for this tall player, but none offer who will step down. I would assume that this target man will sit up front, hold the ball up whilst help arrives, and be capable of scoring, so who steps aside to make way for him.
[quote][p][bold]heshootshescores[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heshootshescores[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heshootshescores[/bold] wrote: Interesting article. Interesting comments. Can't believe the first post is getting so many thumbs down as the guy is actually spot on when he says building on a successful squad with a few key additions is the way to win promotion from the Championship. I think most of us understand that losing Ulloa and Buckley was inevitable once they had their heads turned by "interest" from Premier League clubs. But, even allowing for the fact that Buckley was not a guy we could count on from week-to-week, they were both "quality" players and virtually irreplaceable. For a couple of weeks, it looked as though the squad would struggle to stay out of the bottom six. Fortunately, the suits took drastic action and look to have made some good additions. It's too early to judge the new arrivals...and we're just guessing right now who will turn out to be above average and who will be below. The indications are that Teixeira and Holla are class and that Toko and O'Grady might not be up to that much. We seem to have way too many midfielders competing for 3/4 positions and not enough cover in central defence. As for attacking power, much will depend on whether Baldock can repeat his goalscoring exploits of last season at one level higher. I too am concerned that we don't have a target man when we need to resort to Plan B. Like most Seagulls fans, I'm more optimistic than I was a couple of weeks ago, but I won't be rushing to the bookies to back Brighton for promotion. I think it will take Sami a fair amount of time to work out what his best starting XI is and I see this more as a season of consolidation after the massive upheaval during the last two years.[/p][/quote]So if we had the, 'target man,' what would your line up be, we can call the target man, MR. X.[/p][/quote]Sometimes you have to play more direct football, especially when you're chasing the game, like we were on Saturday. You need someone to win the ball in the box for the likes of Baldock and CMS to feed off. Who is that man?[/p][/quote]Are you old enough to remember Smash and Grab, Vegas? Alan Warboys and Bruce Bannister, who played for Bristol Rovers and thrashed us 8-2 at the Goldstone during Cloughie's 44-day reign. Call me a traditionalist but I have always liked to play two up front with at least one supporting wide man...something along the lines of Peter Ward, Teddy Maybank and Spider Mellor. So, in an ideal world, it would be Baldock, O'Grady and LuaLua...but that's not going to happen as (a) O'Grady has yet to prove himself and (b) LuaLua can't seem to last 90 mins. Maybe we'll sign a Sam Vokes/Michael Robinson-type player on loan?[/p][/quote]yep I'm old enough to remember. I have asked the question I posed to you, name your line up with a target man, to all those who say we need one, but I never get a difinitive answer. I can see the attraction of having a target man but if we have one, someone must stand down. We have a squad, we know the key players from back to front, so how do we fit a target man into our line up? Don't consider who we might sign as a target man, just name eleven players back to front from our present squad but add a target man, it can be an in form O'Grady if you want, or a Mr. X. The reason why I am pushing this point is simply due to so many calling for this tall player, but none offer who will step down. I would assume that this target man will sit up front, hold the ball up whilst help arrives, and be capable of scoring, so who steps aside to make way for him. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

5:36pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Neville says...

Vegas
My team on current a availability would be:

Stockdale
Bruno. Greer. Dunk. Bennett
Colunga Hola Teixera Gardner
Baldock Mr X

Subs: CW,CMS,P Mc, AC, RI, KLL,AH

Solid and v strong bench.

Re the mystery striker would like to have seen GM back on loan but think we need to look at Div 1 prospects currently doing well and with physical presence.
Vegas My team on current a availability would be: Stockdale Bruno. Greer. Dunk. Bennett Colunga Hola Teixera Gardner Baldock Mr X Subs: CW,CMS,P Mc, AC, RI, KLL,AH Solid and v strong bench. Re the mystery striker would like to have seen GM back on loan but think we need to look at Div 1 prospects currently doing well and with physical presence. Neville
  • Score: -4

5:44pm Wed 3 Sep 14

heshootshescores says...

Neville wrote:
Vegas
My team on current a availability would be:

Stockdale
Bruno. Greer. Dunk. Bennett
Colunga Hola Teixera Gardner
Baldock Mr X

Subs: CW,CMS,P Mc, AC, RI, KLL,AH

Solid and v strong bench.

Re the mystery striker would like to have seen GM back on loan but think we need to look at Div 1 prospects currently doing well and with physical presence.
Like your lineup, Neville. Maybe Stephens will be pushing for a place when he's fit but Crofts and JFC are going to have to do a lot better to stay in the side.

Be interesting to see how Baldock fits into Sami's lineup and whether he is a straight replacement for CMS. I can't see them both starting together. My guess is Baldock will start at Brentford.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas My team on current a availability would be: Stockdale Bruno. Greer. Dunk. Bennett Colunga Hola Teixera Gardner Baldock Mr X Subs: CW,CMS,P Mc, AC, RI, KLL,AH Solid and v strong bench. Re the mystery striker would like to have seen GM back on loan but think we need to look at Div 1 prospects currently doing well and with physical presence.[/p][/quote]Like your lineup, Neville. Maybe Stephens will be pushing for a place when he's fit but Crofts and JFC are going to have to do a lot better to stay in the side. Be interesting to see how Baldock fits into Sami's lineup and whether he is a straight replacement for CMS. I can't see them both starting together. My guess is Baldock will start at Brentford. heshootshescores
  • Score: 2

5:52pm Wed 3 Sep 14

OldGull says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.
Think you are a wee bit confused, O'Grady doesn't play for Eastbourne
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.[/p][/quote]Think you are a wee bit confused, O'Grady doesn't play for Eastbourne OldGull
  • Score: 5

5:57pm Wed 3 Sep 14

ballantrrae says...

Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion.
My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have.
The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit.
However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me.
Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS.
This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience.
More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP).
If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent.
Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better.
Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ?
UTA.
Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion. My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have. The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit. However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me. Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS. This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience. More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP). If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent. Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better. Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ? UTA. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

5:59pm Wed 3 Sep 14

VegasSeagull says...

heshootshescores wrote:
Neville wrote:
Vegas
My team on current a availability would be:

Stockdale
Bruno. Greer. Dunk. Bennett
Colunga Hola Teixera Gardner
Baldock Mr X

Subs: CW,CMS,P Mc, AC, RI, KLL,AH

Solid and v strong bench.

Re the mystery striker would like to have seen GM back on loan but think we need to look at Div 1 prospects currently doing well and with physical presence.
Like your lineup, Neville. Maybe Stephens will be pushing for a place when he's fit but Crofts and JFC are going to have to do a lot better to stay in the side.

Be interesting to see how Baldock fits into Sami's lineup and whether he is a straight replacement for CMS. I can't see them both starting together. My guess is Baldock will start at Brentford.
At last a genuine reply, thanks Neville.
So for you Neville CMS stands down to make way for a target man, and Colunga is your preference as the poacher. HeshootsHescores, judging by his reply to you, would keep CMS but does not offer who he would leave out to accomodate a target man.

Neville why do you prefer Colunga to CMS, as yet we really don't know a lot about what Colunga offers that CMS doesn't.

Sperate issue Neville. I spoke of Brez getting a contract and TK not getting one, and you correctly pointed out that Brez was on a short term deal that has now come to an end. I am sure that I read, yesterday, that Brez got a year long deal somewhere.
[quote][p][bold]heshootshescores[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas My team on current a availability would be: Stockdale Bruno. Greer. Dunk. Bennett Colunga Hola Teixera Gardner Baldock Mr X Subs: CW,CMS,P Mc, AC, RI, KLL,AH Solid and v strong bench. Re the mystery striker would like to have seen GM back on loan but think we need to look at Div 1 prospects currently doing well and with physical presence.[/p][/quote]Like your lineup, Neville. Maybe Stephens will be pushing for a place when he's fit but Crofts and JFC are going to have to do a lot better to stay in the side. Be interesting to see how Baldock fits into Sami's lineup and whether he is a straight replacement for CMS. I can't see them both starting together. My guess is Baldock will start at Brentford.[/p][/quote]At last a genuine reply, thanks Neville. So for you Neville CMS stands down to make way for a target man, and Colunga is your preference as the poacher. HeshootsHescores, judging by his reply to you, would keep CMS but does not offer who he would leave out to accomodate a target man. Neville why do you prefer Colunga to CMS, as yet we really don't know a lot about what Colunga offers that CMS doesn't. Sperate issue Neville. I spoke of Brez getting a contract and TK not getting one, and you correctly pointed out that Brez was on a short term deal that has now come to an end. I am sure that I read, yesterday, that Brez got a year long deal somewhere. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

6:16pm Wed 3 Sep 14

ballantrrae says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion.
My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have.
The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit.
However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me.
Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS.
This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience.
More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP).
If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent.
Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better.
Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ?
UTA.
I left out Stephens from the list of those players out of contract next year since I think he signed for2 1/2 years in January but I am not sure if that is correct.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion. My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have. The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit. However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me. Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS. This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience. More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP). If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent. Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better. Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ? UTA.[/p][/quote]I left out Stephens from the list of those players out of contract next year since I think he signed for2 1/2 years in January but I am not sure if that is correct. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

6:17pm Wed 3 Sep 14

VegasSeagull says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion.
My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have.
The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit.
However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me.
Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS.
This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience.
More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP).
If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent.
Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better.
Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ?
UTA.
Ballantrae, just a thought on your sales to spending figures. Any money from the earlier sales will have already hit the balance sheet, our losses would have been cut as income can not be deferred. Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd were, I believe, sold prior to this years accounting. If I am right then only the money from recent sales, Ulloa and Buckley as prime figures, would come into this years accounting. I think I am right in saying that a minimum of 3 million HAD to be set aside for loss cutting, the required figure might have been higher.

Some of those coming to the end of their contracts will go, I think that's a given. I would like to think that Kaz and CMS would be offered new deals before January, Chicksen too. A new right back and two new CB's will need cover, Greer and maybe Bruno or Calde could be retained as back up, both on one year deals.

I think that either Calde or Bruno will go, along with Augustein, Hughes, and Maksi, and of course the loanees. If we retain some of our experience at the back for cover options, then maybe 7 or 8 new players would be needed, but as I said, I would like to see Kaz and CMS given new deals.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion. My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have. The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit. However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me. Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS. This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience. More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP). If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent. Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better. Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ? UTA.[/p][/quote]Ballantrae, just a thought on your sales to spending figures. Any money from the earlier sales will have already hit the balance sheet, our losses would have been cut as income can not be deferred. Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd were, I believe, sold prior to this years accounting. If I am right then only the money from recent sales, Ulloa and Buckley as prime figures, would come into this years accounting. I think I am right in saying that a minimum of 3 million HAD to be set aside for loss cutting, the required figure might have been higher. Some of those coming to the end of their contracts will go, I think that's a given. I would like to think that Kaz and CMS would be offered new deals before January, Chicksen too. A new right back and two new CB's will need cover, Greer and maybe Bruno or Calde could be retained as back up, both on one year deals. I think that either Calde or Bruno will go, along with Augustein, Hughes, and Maksi, and of course the loanees. If we retain some of our experience at the back for cover options, then maybe 7 or 8 new players would be needed, but as I said, I would like to see Kaz and CMS given new deals. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

6:24pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Alfie T says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion.
My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have.
The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit.
However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me.
Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS.
This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience.
More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP).
If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent.
Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better.
Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ?
UTA.
Can see your concern, but if we go through the players you have listed I would comment thus. Ankergren will probably be released along with Bruno, possibly the chance of one more season depending on how he goes this season. Calde I hope will stay for ever in a player coaching role, saw him and his family strolling along Brighton seafront last night, love this guy.

GG and Hughes would probably snap Albions hands off with a years extension, my guess is we will have another younger player coming in, along with the Chelsea ds player who joined recently, Dunk and possibly Ince reverting to cb, I don't think it's as big of a problem as some suggest.

Bennett may stay, not sure villa are that keen, Gardner and Tex will return to their clubs. Agustein, I'll drive him where ever he wants to go. Crofty will sign for another two years and McCourt is all about his fitness and hunger, hope he has a great season and earns a two year deal.

Not sure that Macksi will make the grade which leaves CMS and Kaz,personally if CMS doesn't improve with the new system I can see him returning to the Posh, Kaz, get him on a three year deal now, think he's worth that.

Anyway, just my thoughts, UTA
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion. My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have. The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit. However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me. Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS. This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience. More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP). If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent. Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better. Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ? UTA.[/p][/quote]Can see your concern, but if we go through the players you have listed I would comment thus. Ankergren will probably be released along with Bruno, possibly the chance of one more season depending on how he goes this season. Calde I hope will stay for ever in a player coaching role, saw him and his family strolling along Brighton seafront last night, love this guy. GG and Hughes would probably snap Albions hands off with a years extension, my guess is we will have another younger player coming in, along with the Chelsea ds player who joined recently, Dunk and possibly Ince reverting to cb, I don't think it's as big of a problem as some suggest. Bennett may stay, not sure villa are that keen, Gardner and Tex will return to their clubs. Agustein, I'll drive him where ever he wants to go. Crofty will sign for another two years and McCourt is all about his fitness and hunger, hope he has a great season and earns a two year deal. Not sure that Macksi will make the grade which leaves CMS and Kaz,personally if CMS doesn't improve with the new system I can see him returning to the Posh, Kaz, get him on a three year deal now, think he's worth that. Anyway, just my thoughts, UTA Alfie T
  • Score: 7

6:27pm Wed 3 Sep 14

bhapilar says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion.
My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have.
The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit.
However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me.
Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS.
This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience.
More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP).
If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent.
Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better.
Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ?
UTA.
I really like your considered opinions and for the most part agree with a lot of what you have commented on.
One area not touched on is the amount of investment made with the Amex & new training ground complex and if this has swallowed up all or any of the millions generated by the sale of players.
Also , I recall an interbiew TB gave following GP leaving when he inficated that he was in it for the long haul and indicated that promotion, although a goal, was not going to be at all costs orinstantly achieved.
This rebuilding may be a step towards that goal but I see this as a consolidation squad to keep us there or there abouts while we alsogrow our own stars of the future through academy players mixed with selective purchases.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion. My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have. The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit. However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me. Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS. This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience. More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP). If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent. Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better. Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ? UTA.[/p][/quote]I really like your considered opinions and for the most part agree with a lot of what you have commented on. One area not touched on is the amount of investment made with the Amex & new training ground complex and if this has swallowed up all or any of the millions generated by the sale of players. Also , I recall an interbiew TB gave following GP leaving when he inficated that he was in it for the long haul and indicated that promotion, although a goal, was not going to be at all costs orinstantly achieved. This rebuilding may be a step towards that goal but I see this as a consolidation squad to keep us there or there abouts while we alsogrow our own stars of the future through academy players mixed with selective purchases. UTA bhapilar
  • Score: 3

6:27pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Ex-pat Arnie says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
heshootshescores wrote:
Neville wrote:
Vegas
My team on current a availability would be:

Stockdale
Bruno. Greer. Dunk. Bennett
Colunga Hola Teixera Gardner
Baldock Mr X

Subs: CW,CMS,P Mc, AC, RI, KLL,AH

Solid and v strong bench.

Re the mystery striker would like to have seen GM back on loan but think we need to look at Div 1 prospects currently doing well and with physical presence.
Like your lineup, Neville. Maybe Stephens will be pushing for a place when he's fit but Crofts and JFC are going to have to do a lot better to stay in the side.

Be interesting to see how Baldock fits into Sami's lineup and whether he is a straight replacement for CMS. I can't see them both starting together. My guess is Baldock will start at Brentford.
At last a genuine reply, thanks Neville.
So for you Neville CMS stands down to make way for a target man, and Colunga is your preference as the poacher. HeshootsHescores, judging by his reply to you, would keep CMS but does not offer who he would leave out to accomodate a target man.

Neville why do you prefer Colunga to CMS, as yet we really don't know a lot about what Colunga offers that CMS doesn't.

Sperate issue Neville. I spoke of Brez getting a contract and TK not getting one, and you correctly pointed out that Brez was on a short term deal that has now come to an end. I am sure that I read, yesterday, that Brez got a year long deal somewhere.
Re Brez, it's Tranmere.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heshootshescores[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Vegas My team on current a availability would be: Stockdale Bruno. Greer. Dunk. Bennett Colunga Hola Teixera Gardner Baldock Mr X Subs: CW,CMS,P Mc, AC, RI, KLL,AH Solid and v strong bench. Re the mystery striker would like to have seen GM back on loan but think we need to look at Div 1 prospects currently doing well and with physical presence.[/p][/quote]Like your lineup, Neville. Maybe Stephens will be pushing for a place when he's fit but Crofts and JFC are going to have to do a lot better to stay in the side. Be interesting to see how Baldock fits into Sami's lineup and whether he is a straight replacement for CMS. I can't see them both starting together. My guess is Baldock will start at Brentford.[/p][/quote]At last a genuine reply, thanks Neville. So for you Neville CMS stands down to make way for a target man, and Colunga is your preference as the poacher. HeshootsHescores, judging by his reply to you, would keep CMS but does not offer who he would leave out to accomodate a target man. Neville why do you prefer Colunga to CMS, as yet we really don't know a lot about what Colunga offers that CMS doesn't. Sperate issue Neville. I spoke of Brez getting a contract and TK not getting one, and you correctly pointed out that Brez was on a short term deal that has now come to an end. I am sure that I read, yesterday, that Brez got a year long deal somewhere.[/p][/quote]Re Brez, it's Tranmere. Ex-pat Arnie
  • Score: 5

6:30pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Albion In Staffs says...

Like the fact the "gaffer" has spoken. Nothing ridiculous just gene optimism. BUT... Can some one PLEASE take - or arrange to use - a better photo?? He's our chairman, not an insurance salesman who's had a hard day..
Like the fact the "gaffer" has spoken. Nothing ridiculous just gene optimism. BUT... Can some one PLEASE take - or arrange to use - a better photo?? He's our chairman, not an insurance salesman who's had a hard day.. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 4

6:31pm Wed 3 Sep 14

SevenD says...

I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.
I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting. SevenD
  • Score: 8

6:36pm Wed 3 Sep 14

SevenD says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
Like the fact the "gaffer" has spoken. Nothing ridiculous just gene optimism. BUT... Can some one PLEASE take - or arrange to use - a better photo?? He's our chairman, not an insurance salesman who's had a hard day..
LOL .. ahahahahahaha .. well observed. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: Like the fact the "gaffer" has spoken. Nothing ridiculous just gene optimism. BUT... Can some one PLEASE take - or arrange to use - a better photo?? He's our chairman, not an insurance salesman who's had a hard day..[/p][/quote]LOL .. ahahahahahaha .. well observed. UTA SevenD
  • Score: 1

6:37pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Albion In Staffs says...

SevenD wrote:
I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.
You're banging your head on a brick wall mate. Some on here will never accept the facts related to running a sustainable business. But it's funny how none of them will be driving Ferraris or Bentleys as their car of choice. I assume it can only be because they can't afford them ......... !!!!
[quote][p][bold]SevenD[/bold] wrote: I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.[/p][/quote]You're banging your head on a brick wall mate. Some on here will never accept the facts related to running a sustainable business. But it's funny how none of them will be driving Ferraris or Bentleys as their car of choice. I assume it can only be because they can't afford them ......... !!!! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 5

6:39pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Neville says...

Vegas
Baldock is a better version of CMS in my opinion and his first touch and shot is better.I believe CMS will go in the transfer window in order to get some money rather than let him walk free end of season. Colunga has pace and not afraid to shoot and not so predictable as CMS,much as I do like Smith.
On another note I believe TK has gone to Watford.
Vegas Baldock is a better version of CMS in my opinion and his first touch and shot is better.I believe CMS will go in the transfer window in order to get some money rather than let him walk free end of season. Colunga has pace and not afraid to shoot and not so predictable as CMS,much as I do like Smith. On another note I believe TK has gone to Watford. Neville
  • Score: -1

6:51pm Wed 3 Sep 14

London Dave says...

Piglet1 wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.
Please comment on Eastbourne Borough only as that is who you watch.
You tore up your Albion season ticket four weeks ago and you delighted in telling us all to emphasise how useless the club was and how we would not sign anyone
We then signed half a team but you my friend had already burnt your bridges. Goodbye.
Interesting comment...

If we only have a total love-in with everyone sharing the same rose tinted opinion, what would be the flippin' point of this site?!
[quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.[/p][/quote]Please comment on Eastbourne Borough only as that is who you watch. You tore up your Albion season ticket four weeks ago and you delighted in telling us all to emphasise how useless the club was and how we would not sign anyone We then signed half a team but you my friend had already burnt your bridges. Goodbye.[/p][/quote]Interesting comment... If we only have a total love-in with everyone sharing the same rose tinted opinion, what would be the flippin' point of this site?! London Dave
  • Score: 5

6:51pm Wed 3 Sep 14

VegasSeagull says...

Ballantrrae whilst our top loanees will return to their clubs, we just can't lose all the players you have listed, some must be retained even if only as cover.
I think you listed some 15 players approaching the end of their deals or loan periods, if they all left we would need a whole bunch of new players, a number exceeding the 11 we just brought in, and I don't see that happening, unless we get promoted that is.

If you take out Calde, Bruno, Greer and Hughes, we would need a right back and a center back plus three players as cover (four if we cover both center backs). Ankergren goes and Walton becomes our number two, so one more keeper needed.
Chicksen and Maksi go along with Bennett, a new left back and cover needed. Just looking at the back five we would need a minimum of 8 new players, possibly 9. When you look at the others you have named, the figure just keeps climbing. I am sure that some will get new deals, even if only as cover and just for a year, they have to.
Ballantrrae whilst our top loanees will return to their clubs, we just can't lose all the players you have listed, some must be retained even if only as cover. I think you listed some 15 players approaching the end of their deals or loan periods, if they all left we would need a whole bunch of new players, a number exceeding the 11 we just brought in, and I don't see that happening, unless we get promoted that is. If you take out Calde, Bruno, Greer and Hughes, we would need a right back and a center back plus three players as cover (four if we cover both center backs). Ankergren goes and Walton becomes our number two, so one more keeper needed. Chicksen and Maksi go along with Bennett, a new left back and cover needed. Just looking at the back five we would need a minimum of 8 new players, possibly 9. When you look at the others you have named, the figure just keeps climbing. I am sure that some will get new deals, even if only as cover and just for a year, they have to. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 5

7:46pm Wed 3 Sep 14

namgo49 says...

Couple of points.

It is no good lamenting Ulloa moving on. He just a bloke doing his job and looking for a promotion to better himself, we should all approve of that. Too he was probably fed up with less skilled central defenders kicking lumps out of him week in week out. That does not happen in the prem.

I think we have quantity without real quality but given the system Hyypia plays let us hope it brings us success and a play off place. I would be amazed if we got to the dizzy heights of an auto spot. I think given the resources apparently available to Forest and Cardiff they should fill those two spaces.

What must not continue to happen though is this end of season carnage with too high a turnover of players and unsettling lateness in sorting out contracts. We have another eight or so players out of contract again this year. Stability is the key.
Couple of points. It is no good lamenting Ulloa moving on. He just a bloke doing his job and looking for a promotion to better himself, we should all approve of that. Too he was probably fed up with less skilled central defenders kicking lumps out of him week in week out. That does not happen in the prem. I think we have quantity without real quality but given the system Hyypia plays let us hope it brings us success and a play off place. I would be amazed if we got to the dizzy heights of an auto spot. I think given the resources apparently available to Forest and Cardiff they should fill those two spaces. What must not continue to happen though is this end of season carnage with too high a turnover of players and unsettling lateness in sorting out contracts. We have another eight or so players out of contract again this year. Stability is the key. namgo49
  • Score: 1

10:07pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

SevenD wrote:
I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.
Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.
[quote][p][bold]SevenD[/bold] wrote: I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -14

10:07pm Wed 3 Sep 14

ringtone says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Cliify0002 wrote:
Ok no need for a tall striker, I request you inform me which part of his body dunk scored with
Both goals were from corners, at which point we send the big guys up. The rest of the time we will play the ball on the deck and a big man will be wasted. Support West Han if you want that tedious, direct football.
Good luck with him, he doesn't get it I'm afraid!!
Up the Albion!!
Am i the only one getting tired of Lormer ending his ramblings with the obligatory Up the Albion.

Please let it go, think coals to newcastle

and no it aint more transfer speculation.

UTA
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: Ok no need for a tall striker, I request you inform me which part of his body dunk scored with[/p][/quote]Both goals were from corners, at which point we send the big guys up. The rest of the time we will play the ball on the deck and a big man will be wasted. Support West Han if you want that tedious, direct football.[/p][/quote]Good luck with him, he doesn't get it I'm afraid!! Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Am i the only one getting tired of Lormer ending his ramblings with the obligatory Up the Albion. Please let it go, think coals to newcastle and no it aint more transfer speculation. UTA ringtone
  • Score: -7

10:12pm Wed 3 Sep 14

ringtone says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
SevenD wrote:
I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.
Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.
I agree.

Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how?

Something doesn't add up.

UP THE ALBION

UP JEFF LORMER
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SevenD[/bold] wrote: I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree. Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how? Something doesn't add up. UP THE ALBION UP JEFF LORMER ringtone
  • Score: -11

10:18pm Wed 3 Sep 14

ringtone says...

Singing Seagull, Indonesia wrote:
Agreed. Once the team learn to play off each others' strengths this should be a squad capable of fighting for a playoff place. And who knows, if they really get momentum going they could sneak an automatic place. Just a shame that it all happened six points too late, but c'est la vie, we are where we are so it's time to look forward, not back, and give our full support to Sami an his squad - it's now up to them to do it on the pitch.

UTA!!
Positive trolling at its finest.

Approval seeeking via the thumbs up score is your game.

So sad.
[quote][p][bold]Singing Seagull, Indonesia[/bold] wrote: Agreed. Once the team learn to play off each others' strengths this should be a squad capable of fighting for a playoff place. And who knows, if they really get momentum going they could sneak an automatic place. Just a shame that it all happened six points too late, but c'est la vie, we are where we are so it's time to look forward, not back, and give our full support to Sami an his squad - it's now up to them to do it on the pitch. UTA!![/p][/quote]Positive trolling at its finest. Approval seeeking via the thumbs up score is your game. So sad. ringtone
  • Score: -22

10:32pm Wed 3 Sep 14

ringtone says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
SevenD wrote:
I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.
You're banging your head on a brick wall mate. Some on here will never accept the facts related to running a sustainable business. But it's funny how none of them will be driving Ferraris or Bentleys as their car of choice. I assume it can only be because they can't afford them ......... !!!!
That a bit rich Staffie,

You can't even afford to live in the city.

What you driving these days?

A DeLorean DMC-12 maybe.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SevenD[/bold] wrote: I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.[/p][/quote]You're banging your head on a brick wall mate. Some on here will never accept the facts related to running a sustainable business. But it's funny how none of them will be driving Ferraris or Bentleys as their car of choice. I assume it can only be because they can't afford them ......... !!!![/p][/quote]That a bit rich Staffie, You can't even afford to live in the city. What you driving these days? A DeLorean DMC-12 maybe. ringtone
  • Score: -19

10:44pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Ex-pat Arnie wrote:
Cliify0002 wrote:
Ok no need for a tall striker, I request you inform me which part of his body dunk scored with
Both goals were from corners, at which point we send the big guys up. The rest of the time we will play the ball on the deck and a big man will be wasted. Support West Han if you want that tedious, direct football.
But the goal still came from a tall defender heading the ball, in just a few minutes of football the other system with no target man spent 90mins fluffing around running into trouble agains eight players on the edge of the 6 yard box, if we are going to play without a target man we need the players that are there to be able to control the ball first touch not fall over under a challenge easily and some times shoot first time and outside the box also on the odd occasion. Might work!
[quote][p][bold]Ex-pat Arnie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cliify0002[/bold] wrote: Ok no need for a tall striker, I request you inform me which part of his body dunk scored with[/p][/quote]Both goals were from corners, at which point we send the big guys up. The rest of the time we will play the ball on the deck and a big man will be wasted. Support West Han if you want that tedious, direct football.[/p][/quote]But the goal still came from a tall defender heading the ball, in just a few minutes of football the other system with no target man spent 90mins fluffing around running into trouble agains eight players on the edge of the 6 yard box, if we are going to play without a target man we need the players that are there to be able to control the ball first touch not fall over under a challenge easily and some times shoot first time and outside the box also on the odd occasion. Might work! Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: -2

10:52pm Wed 3 Sep 14

ballantrrae says...

bhapilar wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion.
My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have.
The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit.
However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me.
Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS.
This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience.
More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP).
If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent.
Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better.
Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ?
UTA.
I really like your considered opinions and for the most part agree with a lot of what you have commented on.
One area not touched on is the amount of investment made with the Amex & new training ground complex and if this has swallowed up all or any of the millions generated by the sale of players.
Also , I recall an interbiew TB gave following GP leaving when he inficated that he was in it for the long haul and indicated that promotion, although a goal, was not going to be at all costs orinstantly achieved.
This rebuilding may be a step towards that goal but I see this as a consolidation squad to keep us there or there abouts while we alsogrow our own stars of the future through academy players mixed with selective purchases.
UTA
Bhapilar you are of course quite right to raise the question of the Costs of both the Amex and the new Training ground.
My understanding has always been that TB provides the finance on an interest basis (I may be wrong) but obviously the capital 'loaned' still needs to be paid back at some stage.
It is also my understanding the costs relating to infrastructure investment are excluded for FFP calculation purposes.
Looking at the situation from Bloom's standpoint and the eventual need for the club to repay his 'loan' it strikes me that the less successful the club is the longer it will take for Him (TB) to be repaid. Indeed his chances of being repaid diminish in direct relation to the club's position in the league. So if we are in League one it might take forever for him to get his capital returned. Conversely if we were a mid table Premier League team it might only take half a dozen years.
So it is in TB's best interest for BHA to secure promotion to the PL at the earliest opportunity. Nobody understands this IMO better than the man himself. Therefore he is unlikely to use funds generated from player sales to repay himself if in doing so he jeopardises the Albion's chances of reaching the PL. It is clearly a fine balancing act one which so far it seems TB is achieving.
So let's leave it to Bloom and Hyypia to move the club onwards and importantly upwards.
[quote][p][bold]bhapilar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion. My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have. The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit. However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me. Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS. This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience. More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP). If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent. Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better. Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ? UTA.[/p][/quote]I really like your considered opinions and for the most part agree with a lot of what you have commented on. One area not touched on is the amount of investment made with the Amex & new training ground complex and if this has swallowed up all or any of the millions generated by the sale of players. Also , I recall an interbiew TB gave following GP leaving when he inficated that he was in it for the long haul and indicated that promotion, although a goal, was not going to be at all costs orinstantly achieved. This rebuilding may be a step towards that goal but I see this as a consolidation squad to keep us there or there abouts while we alsogrow our own stars of the future through academy players mixed with selective purchases. UTA[/p][/quote]Bhapilar you are of course quite right to raise the question of the Costs of both the Amex and the new Training ground. My understanding has always been that TB provides the finance on an interest basis (I may be wrong) but obviously the capital 'loaned' still needs to be paid back at some stage. It is also my understanding the costs relating to infrastructure investment are excluded for FFP calculation purposes. Looking at the situation from Bloom's standpoint and the eventual need for the club to repay his 'loan' it strikes me that the less successful the club is the longer it will take for Him (TB) to be repaid. Indeed his chances of being repaid diminish in direct relation to the club's position in the league. So if we are in League one it might take forever for him to get his capital returned. Conversely if we were a mid table Premier League team it might only take half a dozen years. So it is in TB's best interest for BHA to secure promotion to the PL at the earliest opportunity. Nobody understands this IMO better than the man himself. Therefore he is unlikely to use funds generated from player sales to repay himself if in doing so he jeopardises the Albion's chances of reaching the PL. It is clearly a fine balancing act one which so far it seems TB is achieving. So let's leave it to Bloom and Hyypia to move the club onwards and importantly upwards. ballantrrae
  • Score: 4

11:01pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Piglet1 wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.
Please comment on Eastbourne Borough only as that is who you watch.
You tore up your Albion season ticket four weeks ago and you delighted in telling us all to emphasise how useless the club was and how we would not sign anyone
We then signed half a team but you my friend had already burnt your bridges. Goodbye.
Oh yes talking of which, 'We're top of the league! We're top of the leeeeeeeeeeeeague! We're Eastbourne Borough! We're top of the league!'
Might as well seeing as no one will get the chance to sing that about the albion for a while.
Is there anyone at Eastbourne there to sing or cheer you gotta be joking Mayfield honestly your not even in the, I don't believe it you sad poor thing you.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.[/p][/quote]Please comment on Eastbourne Borough only as that is who you watch. You tore up your Albion season ticket four weeks ago and you delighted in telling us all to emphasise how useless the club was and how we would not sign anyone We then signed half a team but you my friend had already burnt your bridges. Goodbye.[/p][/quote]Oh yes talking of which, 'We're top of the league! We're top of the leeeeeeeeeeeeague! We're Eastbourne Borough! We're top of the league!' Might as well seeing as no one will get the chance to sing that about the albion for a while.[/p][/quote]Is there anyone at Eastbourne there to sing or cheer you gotta be joking Mayfield honestly your not even in the, I don't believe it you sad poor thing you. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 0

11:16pm Wed 3 Sep 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Ballantrrae whilst our top loanees will return to their clubs, we just can't lose all the players you have listed, some must be retained even if only as cover.
I think you listed some 15 players approaching the end of their deals or loan periods, if they all left we would need a whole bunch of new players, a number exceeding the 11 we just brought in, and I don't see that happening, unless we get promoted that is.

If you take out Calde, Bruno, Greer and Hughes, we would need a right back and a center back plus three players as cover (four if we cover both center backs). Ankergren goes and Walton becomes our number two, so one more keeper needed.
Chicksen and Maksi go along with Bennett, a new left back and cover needed. Just looking at the back five we would need a minimum of 8 new players, possibly 9. When you look at the others you have named, the figure just keeps climbing. I am sure that some will get new deals, even if only as cover and just for a year, they have to.
Yes Vegas 15 players out of contract is fairly daunting and yes we should be thinking of issuing contract extensions to some of the players whose contracts are drawing to a close.
However the timing and manner of doing so is not straight forward. If for example you offer an extension now to Calde won't that potentially send the wrong message to Bruno ?
As to which players should be retained and which released it is of course far to early to day and therein lies the problem. The club quite probably won't be in a position to decide who it wishes to keep and who not until January at the earliest which is why the January Window might become even more significant this year than normal.
It is because of these issues that I posted that I hoped that the club have learnt from their recent experience. I trust TB and Co are considering how they should proceed faced with these points and are dividing a strategy to deal with them.
In the mean time we are left with no alternative but to leave these matters in their hands. Time will tell how successful the club will handle this.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Ballantrrae whilst our top loanees will return to their clubs, we just can't lose all the players you have listed, some must be retained even if only as cover. I think you listed some 15 players approaching the end of their deals or loan periods, if they all left we would need a whole bunch of new players, a number exceeding the 11 we just brought in, and I don't see that happening, unless we get promoted that is. If you take out Calde, Bruno, Greer and Hughes, we would need a right back and a center back plus three players as cover (four if we cover both center backs). Ankergren goes and Walton becomes our number two, so one more keeper needed. Chicksen and Maksi go along with Bennett, a new left back and cover needed. Just looking at the back five we would need a minimum of 8 new players, possibly 9. When you look at the others you have named, the figure just keeps climbing. I am sure that some will get new deals, even if only as cover and just for a year, they have to.[/p][/quote]Yes Vegas 15 players out of contract is fairly daunting and yes we should be thinking of issuing contract extensions to some of the players whose contracts are drawing to a close. However the timing and manner of doing so is not straight forward. If for example you offer an extension now to Calde won't that potentially send the wrong message to Bruno ? As to which players should be retained and which released it is of course far to early to day and therein lies the problem. The club quite probably won't be in a position to decide who it wishes to keep and who not until January at the earliest which is why the January Window might become even more significant this year than normal. It is because of these issues that I posted that I hoped that the club have learnt from their recent experience. I trust TB and Co are considering how they should proceed faced with these points and are dividing a strategy to deal with them. In the mean time we are left with no alternative but to leave these matters in their hands. Time will tell how successful the club will handle this. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

11:16pm Wed 3 Sep 14

Bucket feet Duffy says...

ballantrrae wrote:
bhapilar wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion.
My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have.
The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit.
However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me.
Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS.
This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience.
More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP).
If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent.
Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better.
Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ?
UTA.
I really like your considered opinions and for the most part agree with a lot of what you have commented on.
One area not touched on is the amount of investment made with the Amex & new training ground complex and if this has swallowed up all or any of the millions generated by the sale of players.
Also , I recall an interbiew TB gave following GP leaving when he inficated that he was in it for the long haul and indicated that promotion, although a goal, was not going to be at all costs orinstantly achieved.
This rebuilding may be a step towards that goal but I see this as a consolidation squad to keep us there or there abouts while we alsogrow our own stars of the future through academy players mixed with selective purchases.
UTA
Bhapilar you are of course quite right to raise the question of the Costs of both the Amex and the new Training ground.
My understanding has always been that TB provides the finance on an interest basis (I may be wrong) but obviously the capital 'loaned' still needs to be paid back at some stage.
It is also my understanding the costs relating to infrastructure investment are excluded for FFP calculation purposes.
Looking at the situation from Bloom's standpoint and the eventual need for the club to repay his 'loan' it strikes me that the less successful the club is the longer it will take for Him (TB) to be repaid. Indeed his chances of being repaid diminish in direct relation to the club's position in the league. So if we are in League one it might take forever for him to get his capital returned. Conversely if we were a mid table Premier League team it might only take half a dozen years.
So it is in TB's best interest for BHA to secure promotion to the PL at the earliest opportunity. Nobody understands this IMO better than the man himself. Therefore he is unlikely to use funds generated from player sales to repay himself if in doing so he jeopardises the Albion's chances of reaching the PL. It is clearly a fine balancing act one which so far it seems TB is achieving.
So let's leave it to Bloom and Hyypia to move the club onwards and importantly upwards.
Bloom is not interested in getting his money back as long as he has what he needs he is ok with that, what drives him is the fear of failure, and the desire to succeed.
He will do what he feels he has to do to achieve the above objectives, that is what gets him out of bed every morning.
I for one wish him all the best of luck.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhapilar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion. My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have. The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit. However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me. Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS. This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience. More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP). If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent. Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better. Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ? UTA.[/p][/quote]I really like your considered opinions and for the most part agree with a lot of what you have commented on. One area not touched on is the amount of investment made with the Amex & new training ground complex and if this has swallowed up all or any of the millions generated by the sale of players. Also , I recall an interbiew TB gave following GP leaving when he inficated that he was in it for the long haul and indicated that promotion, although a goal, was not going to be at all costs orinstantly achieved. This rebuilding may be a step towards that goal but I see this as a consolidation squad to keep us there or there abouts while we alsogrow our own stars of the future through academy players mixed with selective purchases. UTA[/p][/quote]Bhapilar you are of course quite right to raise the question of the Costs of both the Amex and the new Training ground. My understanding has always been that TB provides the finance on an interest basis (I may be wrong) but obviously the capital 'loaned' still needs to be paid back at some stage. It is also my understanding the costs relating to infrastructure investment are excluded for FFP calculation purposes. Looking at the situation from Bloom's standpoint and the eventual need for the club to repay his 'loan' it strikes me that the less successful the club is the longer it will take for Him (TB) to be repaid. Indeed his chances of being repaid diminish in direct relation to the club's position in the league. So if we are in League one it might take forever for him to get his capital returned. Conversely if we were a mid table Premier League team it might only take half a dozen years. So it is in TB's best interest for BHA to secure promotion to the PL at the earliest opportunity. Nobody understands this IMO better than the man himself. Therefore he is unlikely to use funds generated from player sales to repay himself if in doing so he jeopardises the Albion's chances of reaching the PL. It is clearly a fine balancing act one which so far it seems TB is achieving. So let's leave it to Bloom and Hyypia to move the club onwards and importantly upwards.[/p][/quote]Bloom is not interested in getting his money back as long as he has what he needs he is ok with that, what drives him is the fear of failure, and the desire to succeed. He will do what he feels he has to do to achieve the above objectives, that is what gets him out of bed every morning. I for one wish him all the best of luck. Bucket feet Duffy
  • Score: 2

11:22pm Wed 3 Sep 14

ballantrrae says...

ballantrrae wrote:
bhapilar wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion.
My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have.
The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit.
However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me.
Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS.
This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience.
More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP).
If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent.
Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better.
Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ?
UTA.
I really like your considered opinions and for the most part agree with a lot of what you have commented on.
One area not touched on is the amount of investment made with the Amex & new training ground complex and if this has swallowed up all or any of the millions generated by the sale of players.
Also , I recall an interbiew TB gave following GP leaving when he inficated that he was in it for the long haul and indicated that promotion, although a goal, was not going to be at all costs orinstantly achieved.
This rebuilding may be a step towards that goal but I see this as a consolidation squad to keep us there or there abouts while we alsogrow our own stars of the future through academy players mixed with selective purchases.
UTA
Bhapilar you are of course quite right to raise the question of the Costs of both the Amex and the new Training ground.
My understanding has always been that TB provides the finance on an interest basis (I may be wrong) but obviously the capital 'loaned' still needs to be paid back at some stage.
It is also my understanding the costs relating to infrastructure investment are excluded for FFP calculation purposes.
Looking at the situation from Bloom's standpoint and the eventual need for the club to repay his 'loan' it strikes me that the less successful the club is the longer it will take for Him (TB) to be repaid. Indeed his chances of being repaid diminish in direct relation to the club's position in the league. So if we are in League one it might take forever for him to get his capital returned. Conversely if we were a mid table Premier League team it might only take half a dozen years.
So it is in TB's best interest for BHA to secure promotion to the PL at the earliest opportunity. Nobody understands this IMO better than the man himself. Therefore he is unlikely to use funds generated from player sales to repay himself if in doing so he jeopardises the Albion's chances of reaching the PL. It is clearly a fine balancing act one which so far it seems TB is achieving.
So let's leave it to Bloom and Hyypia to move the club onwards and importantly upwards.
Should have read 'TB provides the finance on an interest FREE basis...'
Apologies !
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bhapilar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion. My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have. The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit. However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me. Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS. This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience. More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP). If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent. Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better. Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ? UTA.[/p][/quote]I really like your considered opinions and for the most part agree with a lot of what you have commented on. One area not touched on is the amount of investment made with the Amex & new training ground complex and if this has swallowed up all or any of the millions generated by the sale of players. Also , I recall an interbiew TB gave following GP leaving when he inficated that he was in it for the long haul and indicated that promotion, although a goal, was not going to be at all costs orinstantly achieved. This rebuilding may be a step towards that goal but I see this as a consolidation squad to keep us there or there abouts while we alsogrow our own stars of the future through academy players mixed with selective purchases. UTA[/p][/quote]Bhapilar you are of course quite right to raise the question of the Costs of both the Amex and the new Training ground. My understanding has always been that TB provides the finance on an interest basis (I may be wrong) but obviously the capital 'loaned' still needs to be paid back at some stage. It is also my understanding the costs relating to infrastructure investment are excluded for FFP calculation purposes. Looking at the situation from Bloom's standpoint and the eventual need for the club to repay his 'loan' it strikes me that the less successful the club is the longer it will take for Him (TB) to be repaid. Indeed his chances of being repaid diminish in direct relation to the club's position in the league. So if we are in League one it might take forever for him to get his capital returned. Conversely if we were a mid table Premier League team it might only take half a dozen years. So it is in TB's best interest for BHA to secure promotion to the PL at the earliest opportunity. Nobody understands this IMO better than the man himself. Therefore he is unlikely to use funds generated from player sales to repay himself if in doing so he jeopardises the Albion's chances of reaching the PL. It is clearly a fine balancing act one which so far it seems TB is achieving. So let's leave it to Bloom and Hyypia to move the club onwards and importantly upwards.[/p][/quote]Should have read 'TB provides the finance on an interest FREE basis...' Apologies ! ballantrrae
  • Score: 2

11:44pm Wed 3 Sep 14

SevenD says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
SevenD wrote:
I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.
Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.
lol ... do me a favour Mayfield sweeper and watch seagulls player Tony Bloom latest video..... http://www.player.se
agulls.co.uk/latest-
news/article/4119461
. I am spot on!!!!! I published my post before he's video even got released on seagulls player.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SevenD[/bold] wrote: I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.[/p][/quote]lol ... do me a favour Mayfield sweeper and watch seagulls player Tony Bloom latest video..... http://www.player.se agulls.co.uk/latest- news/article/4119461 . I am spot on!!!!! I published my post before he's video even got released on seagulls player. SevenD
  • Score: 1

11:51pm Wed 3 Sep 14

OldGull says...

London Dave wrote:
Piglet1 wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.
Please comment on Eastbourne Borough only as that is who you watch.
You tore up your Albion season ticket four weeks ago and you delighted in telling us all to emphasise how useless the club was and how we would not sign anyone
We then signed half a team but you my friend had already burnt your bridges. Goodbye.
Interesting comment...

If we only have a total love-in with everyone sharing the same rose tinted opinion, what would be the flippin' point of this site?!
So are you saying the point of this site is for the opinions of the half empty brigade?
[quote][p][bold]London Dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.[/p][/quote]Please comment on Eastbourne Borough only as that is who you watch. You tore up your Albion season ticket four weeks ago and you delighted in telling us all to emphasise how useless the club was and how we would not sign anyone We then signed half a team but you my friend had already burnt your bridges. Goodbye.[/p][/quote]Interesting comment... If we only have a total love-in with everyone sharing the same rose tinted opinion, what would be the flippin' point of this site?![/p][/quote]So are you saying the point of this site is for the opinions of the half empty brigade? OldGull
  • Score: 2

12:47am Thu 4 Sep 14

Perseus says...

I think 16 clubs think the same. I think second place is up for grabs behind Forest.
I think 16 clubs think the same. I think second place is up for grabs behind Forest. Perseus
  • Score: 0

3:19am Thu 4 Sep 14

pte says...

ringtone wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
SevenD wrote:
I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.
Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.
I agree.

Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how?

Something doesn't add up.

UP THE ALBION

UP JEFF LORMER
Have to agree. What are they spending the money on? There's enough gate receipts TV money and sponsorship to cover a player wage bill of 10m so unless they've got a wage bill of 20m (average weekly wage 20k) why the loss?

Can't be infrastructure costs because the ground is owned by a separate company. Unless the club are paying a massive rental to the separate company that owns the ground
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SevenD[/bold] wrote: I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree. Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how? Something doesn't add up. UP THE ALBION UP JEFF LORMER[/p][/quote]Have to agree. What are they spending the money on? There's enough gate receipts TV money and sponsorship to cover a player wage bill of 10m so unless they've got a wage bill of 20m (average weekly wage 20k) why the loss? Can't be infrastructure costs because the ground is owned by a separate company. Unless the club are paying a massive rental to the separate company that owns the ground pte
  • Score: -4

7:58am Thu 4 Sep 14

fairweathersupporter says...

Alfie T wrote:
ballantrrae wrote: Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion. My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have. The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit. However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me. Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS. This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience. More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP). If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent. Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better. Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ? UTA.
Can see your concern, but if we go through the players you have listed I would comment thus. Ankergren will probably be released along with Bruno, possibly the chance of one more season depending on how he goes this season. Calde I hope will stay for ever in a player coaching role, saw him and his family strolling along Brighton seafront last night, love this guy. GG and Hughes would probably snap Albions hands off with a years extension, my guess is we will have another younger player coming in, along with the Chelsea ds player who joined recently, Dunk and possibly Ince reverting to cb, I don't think it's as big of a problem as some suggest. Bennett may stay, not sure villa are that keen, Gardner and Tex will return to their clubs. Agustein, I'll drive him where ever he wants to go. Crofty will sign for another two years and McCourt is all about his fitness and hunger, hope he has a great season and earns a two year deal. Not sure that Macksi will make the grade which leaves CMS and Kaz,personally if CMS doesn't improve with the new system I can see him returning to the Posh, Kaz, get him on a three year deal now, think he's worth that. Anyway, just my thoughts, UTA
Sorry, only just read this...
Agree largely with Alfie T.
The evolving squad dependent on so many things. The loan system will continue to feature heavily in our plans. It's a gamble as to how heavily you invest in a Championship squad with no guarantees of promotion and the additional funding available in the Premiership. How many of the current squad would 'survive' promotion? Signing premiership ready players potentially means big contracts and wages and if we don't get promoted... I think we have the balance about right, albeit there was a slight element of concern on the amount of time it appeared to take to land this years targets but it does look a good squad. As regards the target man... Is this going to be the new 'two up front/plan B argument?
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion. My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have. The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit. However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me. Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS. This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience. More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP). If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent. Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better. Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ? UTA.[/p][/quote]Can see your concern, but if we go through the players you have listed I would comment thus. Ankergren will probably be released along with Bruno, possibly the chance of one more season depending on how he goes this season. Calde I hope will stay for ever in a player coaching role, saw him and his family strolling along Brighton seafront last night, love this guy. GG and Hughes would probably snap Albions hands off with a years extension, my guess is we will have another younger player coming in, along with the Chelsea ds player who joined recently, Dunk and possibly Ince reverting to cb, I don't think it's as big of a problem as some suggest. Bennett may stay, not sure villa are that keen, Gardner and Tex will return to their clubs. Agustein, I'll drive him where ever he wants to go. Crofty will sign for another two years and McCourt is all about his fitness and hunger, hope he has a great season and earns a two year deal. Not sure that Macksi will make the grade which leaves CMS and Kaz,personally if CMS doesn't improve with the new system I can see him returning to the Posh, Kaz, get him on a three year deal now, think he's worth that. Anyway, just my thoughts, UTA[/p][/quote]Sorry, only just read this... Agree largely with Alfie T. The evolving squad dependent on so many things. The loan system will continue to feature heavily in our plans. It's a gamble as to how heavily you invest in a Championship squad with no guarantees of promotion and the additional funding available in the Premiership. How many of the current squad would 'survive' promotion? Signing premiership ready players potentially means big contracts and wages and if we don't get promoted... I think we have the balance about right, albeit there was a slight element of concern on the amount of time it appeared to take to land this years targets but it does look a good squad. As regards the target man... Is this going to be the new 'two up front/plan B argument? fairweathersupporter
  • Score: 3

8:33am Thu 4 Sep 14

OldGull says...

pte wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
SevenD wrote:
I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.
Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.
I agree.

Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how?

Something doesn't add up.

UP THE ALBION

UP JEFF LORMER
Have to agree. What are they spending the money on? There's enough gate receipts TV money and sponsorship to cover a player wage bill of 10m so unless they've got a wage bill of 20m (average weekly wage 20k) why the loss?

Can't be infrastructure costs because the ground is owned by a separate company. Unless the club are paying a massive rental to the separate company that owns the ground
£10m a year?
We have a squad of 28 players if they ave 10k a week
28x10x52 =£14.56m

+ you also have sami, NJ ,other coaches,"The suits, DS lads, other ground staff.
Probably find the wage bill is nearer £20m
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SevenD[/bold] wrote: I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree. Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how? Something doesn't add up. UP THE ALBION UP JEFF LORMER[/p][/quote]Have to agree. What are they spending the money on? There's enough gate receipts TV money and sponsorship to cover a player wage bill of 10m so unless they've got a wage bill of 20m (average weekly wage 20k) why the loss? Can't be infrastructure costs because the ground is owned by a separate company. Unless the club are paying a massive rental to the separate company that owns the ground[/p][/quote]£10m a year? We have a squad of 28 players if they ave 10k a week 28x10x52 =£14.56m + you also have sami, NJ ,other coaches,"The suits, DS lads, other ground staff. Probably find the wage bill is nearer £20m OldGull
  • Score: 5

9:09am Thu 4 Sep 14

ringtone says...

OldGull wrote:
pte wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
SevenD wrote:
I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.
Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.
I agree.

Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how?

Something doesn't add up.

UP THE ALBION

UP JEFF LORMER
Have to agree. What are they spending the money on? There's enough gate receipts TV money and sponsorship to cover a player wage bill of 10m so unless they've got a wage bill of 20m (average weekly wage 20k) why the loss?

Can't be infrastructure costs because the ground is owned by a separate company. Unless the club are paying a massive rental to the separate company that owns the ground
£10m a year?
We have a squad of 28 players if they ave 10k a week
28x10x52 =£14.56m

+ you also have sami, NJ ,other coaches,"The suits, DS lads, other ground staff.
Probably find the wage bill is nearer £20m
And revenue coming in please or did you forget.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SevenD[/bold] wrote: I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree. Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how? Something doesn't add up. UP THE ALBION UP JEFF LORMER[/p][/quote]Have to agree. What are they spending the money on? There's enough gate receipts TV money and sponsorship to cover a player wage bill of 10m so unless they've got a wage bill of 20m (average weekly wage 20k) why the loss? Can't be infrastructure costs because the ground is owned by a separate company. Unless the club are paying a massive rental to the separate company that owns the ground[/p][/quote]£10m a year? We have a squad of 28 players if they ave 10k a week 28x10x52 =£14.56m + you also have sami, NJ ,other coaches,"The suits, DS lads, other ground staff. Probably find the wage bill is nearer £20m[/p][/quote]And revenue coming in please or did you forget. ringtone
  • Score: -5

1:15pm Thu 4 Sep 14

SevenD says...

ringtone wrote:
OldGull wrote:
pte wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
SevenD wrote:
I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.
Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.
I agree.

Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how?

Something doesn't add up.

UP THE ALBION

UP JEFF LORMER
Have to agree. What are they spending the money on? There's enough gate receipts TV money and sponsorship to cover a player wage bill of 10m so unless they've got a wage bill of 20m (average weekly wage 20k) why the loss?

Can't be infrastructure costs because the ground is owned by a separate company. Unless the club are paying a massive rental to the separate company that owns the ground
£10m a year?
We have a squad of 28 players if they ave 10k a week
28x10x52 =£14.56m

+ you also have sami, NJ ,other coaches,"The suits, DS lads, other ground staff.
Probably find the wage bill is nearer £20m
And revenue coming in please or did you forget.
In my opinion we forget that the infrastructure of this club is huge .
1) Marshalls
2) Ticketing staff
3) Bar Staff / Waitresses
4) Back room staff /secretaries etc
5) Home Game Police presence
6) subsidised travel service
7) merchandising staff / Shop
8) grounds keepers
9) AITC
I could keep going .. this club aspires to be in the top flight and I'm sure that this aspiration could be costing us more than some clubs. plus no-one really knows our wage bill and income. suffice as to say its all guess work really. Secondly ENGLAND game last night had on the pitch a team that would drown our players wage bill by 10 times. and the best result we could get was a 1.0 result against Sweden who in my opinion are an average club......... So much for buying top players.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SevenD[/bold] wrote: I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree. Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how? Something doesn't add up. UP THE ALBION UP JEFF LORMER[/p][/quote]Have to agree. What are they spending the money on? There's enough gate receipts TV money and sponsorship to cover a player wage bill of 10m so unless they've got a wage bill of 20m (average weekly wage 20k) why the loss? Can't be infrastructure costs because the ground is owned by a separate company. Unless the club are paying a massive rental to the separate company that owns the ground[/p][/quote]£10m a year? We have a squad of 28 players if they ave 10k a week 28x10x52 =£14.56m + you also have sami, NJ ,other coaches,"The suits, DS lads, other ground staff. Probably find the wage bill is nearer £20m[/p][/quote]And revenue coming in please or did you forget.[/p][/quote]In my opinion we forget that the infrastructure of this club is huge . 1) Marshalls 2) Ticketing staff 3) Bar Staff / Waitresses 4) Back room staff /secretaries etc 5) Home Game Police presence 6) subsidised travel service 7) merchandising staff / Shop 8) grounds keepers 9) AITC I could keep going .. this club aspires to be in the top flight and I'm sure that this aspiration could be costing us more than some clubs. plus no-one really knows our wage bill and income. suffice as to say its all guess work really. Secondly ENGLAND game last night had on the pitch a team that would drown our players wage bill by 10 times. and the best result we could get was a 1.0 result against Sweden who in my opinion are an average club......... So much for buying top players. SevenD
  • Score: 0

4:58pm Thu 4 Sep 14

glass empty says...

Actually it was little Norway we beat 1-0. But that is minor.I thoroughly agree with your main points. I wonder if the Lancing Visionaries considered the costs of that white elephant.
Actually it was little Norway we beat 1-0. But that is minor.I thoroughly agree with your main points. I wonder if the Lancing Visionaries considered the costs of that white elephant. glass empty
  • Score: -1

5:36pm Thu 4 Sep 14

OldGull says...

ringtone wrote:
OldGull wrote:
pte wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
SevenD wrote:
I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.
Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.
I agree.

Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how?

Something doesn't add up.

UP THE ALBION

UP JEFF LORMER
Have to agree. What are they spending the money on? There's enough gate receipts TV money and sponsorship to cover a player wage bill of 10m so unless they've got a wage bill of 20m (average weekly wage 20k) why the loss?

Can't be infrastructure costs because the ground is owned by a separate company. Unless the club are paying a massive rental to the separate company that owns the ground
£10m a year?
We have a squad of 28 players if they ave 10k a week
28x10x52 =£14.56m

+ you also have sami, NJ ,other coaches,"The suits, DS lads, other ground staff.
Probably find the wage bill is nearer £20m
And revenue coming in please or did you forget.
Could be £20M from gate receipts
The running costs must be huge
The Albion can't just stick 50p in the meter for the electricity like you can Ringy
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SevenD[/bold] wrote: I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree. Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how? Something doesn't add up. UP THE ALBION UP JEFF LORMER[/p][/quote]Have to agree. What are they spending the money on? There's enough gate receipts TV money and sponsorship to cover a player wage bill of 10m so unless they've got a wage bill of 20m (average weekly wage 20k) why the loss? Can't be infrastructure costs because the ground is owned by a separate company. Unless the club are paying a massive rental to the separate company that owns the ground[/p][/quote]£10m a year? We have a squad of 28 players if they ave 10k a week 28x10x52 =£14.56m + you also have sami, NJ ,other coaches,"The suits, DS lads, other ground staff. Probably find the wage bill is nearer £20m[/p][/quote]And revenue coming in please or did you forget.[/p][/quote]Could be £20M from gate receipts The running costs must be huge The Albion can't just stick 50p in the meter for the electricity like you can Ringy OldGull
  • Score: 1

6:28pm Thu 4 Sep 14

London Dave says...

OldGull wrote:
London Dave wrote:
Piglet1 wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.
Please comment on Eastbourne Borough only as that is who you watch.
You tore up your Albion season ticket four weeks ago and you delighted in telling us all to emphasise how useless the club was and how we would not sign anyone
We then signed half a team but you my friend had already burnt your bridges. Goodbye.
Interesting comment...

If we only have a total love-in with everyone sharing the same rose tinted opinion, what would be the flippin' point of this site?!
So are you saying the point of this site is for the opinions of the half empty brigade?
What a silly question.
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Piglet1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: Any team serious about promotion does not sell it's best players, and then sign a load of inferior ones for a fraction of the money earned. The way business was conducted over the summer was scandalous, all the best players like McCormack were signed up by other clubs before we even got started hence why we've ended up with cloggers like OGrady. The transfer window closed with no attempt to sign a target man, once again it all points to a lack of serious ambition.[/p][/quote]Please comment on Eastbourne Borough only as that is who you watch. You tore up your Albion season ticket four weeks ago and you delighted in telling us all to emphasise how useless the club was and how we would not sign anyone We then signed half a team but you my friend had already burnt your bridges. Goodbye.[/p][/quote]Interesting comment... If we only have a total love-in with everyone sharing the same rose tinted opinion, what would be the flippin' point of this site?![/p][/quote]So are you saying the point of this site is for the opinions of the half empty brigade?[/p][/quote]What a silly question. London Dave
  • Score: -1

6:50pm Thu 4 Sep 14

pte says...

OldGull wrote:
pte wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
SevenD wrote:
I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.
Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.
I agree.

Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how?

Something doesn't add up.

UP THE ALBION

UP JEFF LORMER
Have to agree. What are they spending the money on? There's enough gate receipts TV money and sponsorship to cover a player wage bill of 10m so unless they've got a wage bill of 20m (average weekly wage 20k) why the loss?

Can't be infrastructure costs because the ground is owned by a separate company. Unless the club are paying a massive rental to the separate company that owns the ground
£10m a year?
We have a squad of 28 players if they ave 10k a week
28x10x52 =£14.56m

+ you also have sami, NJ ,other coaches,"The suits, DS lads, other ground staff.
Probably find the wage bill is nearer £20m
OK the squad is 28 but a third of those players will be peripheral or just breaking in and not be on anything near 10k let alone 20k, probably less than 5k.

Gate receipts of 25m, tv and sponsorship of 10m so if they are running at a loss of 10m that means they are spending 45m a year!

So even if the player wage is 15m how can they manage to spend 30m on top of that?

I know there are dozens of marshals on match day but aren't they all part time on the minimum rate?

I repeat the infrastructure costs are already taken care of and are a separate issue
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SevenD[/bold] wrote: I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree. Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how? Something doesn't add up. UP THE ALBION UP JEFF LORMER[/p][/quote]Have to agree. What are they spending the money on? There's enough gate receipts TV money and sponsorship to cover a player wage bill of 10m so unless they've got a wage bill of 20m (average weekly wage 20k) why the loss? Can't be infrastructure costs because the ground is owned by a separate company. Unless the club are paying a massive rental to the separate company that owns the ground[/p][/quote]£10m a year? We have a squad of 28 players if they ave 10k a week 28x10x52 =£14.56m + you also have sami, NJ ,other coaches,"The suits, DS lads, other ground staff. Probably find the wage bill is nearer £20m[/p][/quote]OK the squad is 28 but a third of those players will be peripheral or just breaking in and not be on anything near 10k let alone 20k, probably less than 5k. Gate receipts of 25m, tv and sponsorship of 10m so if they are running at a loss of 10m that means they are spending 45m a year! So even if the player wage is 15m how can they manage to spend 30m on top of that? I know there are dozens of marshals on match day but aren't they all part time on the minimum rate? I repeat the infrastructure costs are already taken care of and are a separate issue pte
  • Score: -1

8:02pm Thu 4 Sep 14

pte says...

Even if you had 1000 marshals on £50 each per match day that's only around 125k p.a.

Waitress's, bar staff and sales staff wages are covered by the profits from food, drink and merchandise sales
Even if you had 1000 marshals on £50 each per match day that's only around 125k p.a. Waitress's, bar staff and sales staff wages are covered by the profits from food, drink and merchandise sales pte
  • Score: 0

9:20pm Thu 4 Sep 14

ballantrrae says...

pte wrote:
Even if you had 1000 marshals on £50 each per match day that's only around 125k p.a.

Waitress's, bar staff and sales staff wages are covered by the profits from food, drink and merchandise sales
Pte forgive me but I think your maths might be wrong
1,000 people on £50 per match is £50,000 each game which is £1,150,000 for the 23 home games in the league. If you add a couple of more home games (for say two home up ties) the figure rises to £1.25 million.
Just wonder if you meant 100 marshals not 1,000 - if you did your figure of £125,000 is absolutely correct.
[quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: Even if you had 1000 marshals on £50 each per match day that's only around 125k p.a. Waitress's, bar staff and sales staff wages are covered by the profits from food, drink and merchandise sales[/p][/quote]Pte forgive me but I think your maths might be wrong 1,000 people on £50 per match is £50,000 each game which is £1,150,000 for the 23 home games in the league. If you add a couple of more home games (for say two home up ties) the figure rises to £1.25 million. Just wonder if you meant 100 marshals not 1,000 - if you did your figure of £125,000 is absolutely correct. ballantrrae
  • Score: 3

9:36pm Thu 4 Sep 14

ballantrrae says...

SevenD wrote:
ringtone wrote:
OldGull wrote:
pte wrote:
ringtone wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
SevenD wrote:
I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.
Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.
I agree.

Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how?

Something doesn't add up.

UP THE ALBION

UP JEFF LORMER
Have to agree. What are they spending the money on? There's enough gate receipts TV money and sponsorship to cover a player wage bill of 10m so unless they've got a wage bill of 20m (average weekly wage 20k) why the loss?

Can't be infrastructure costs because the ground is owned by a separate company. Unless the club are paying a massive rental to the separate company that owns the ground
£10m a year?
We have a squad of 28 players if they ave 10k a week
28x10x52 =£14.56m

+ you also have sami, NJ ,other coaches,"The suits, DS lads, other ground staff.
Probably find the wage bill is nearer £20m
And revenue coming in please or did you forget.
In my opinion we forget that the infrastructure of this club is huge .
1) Marshalls
2) Ticketing staff
3) Bar Staff / Waitresses
4) Back room staff /secretaries etc
5) Home Game Police presence
6) subsidised travel service
7) merchandising staff / Shop
8) grounds keepers
9) AITC
I could keep going .. this club aspires to be in the top flight and I'm sure that this aspiration could be costing us more than some clubs. plus no-one really knows our wage bill and income. suffice as to say its all guess work really. Secondly ENGLAND game last night had on the pitch a team that would drown our players wage bill by 10 times. and the best result we could get was a 1.0 result against Sweden who in my opinion are an average club......... So much for buying top players.
Just for the record the costs of the subsidised travel service are well into 7 figures (confirmed by a board member). The figure I have heard quoted previously was about £1. 5 million.
The club's turn over was £23 million last year with non playing side costs accounting for £17 million of that. I hope that gives some indication of how difficult it is to break even when running an ambitious Football club. It puts into context how beneficial the parachute payments are when one realises that clubs like Fulham and Norwich will receive parachute payments this year which are the same as BHA's total annual turnover from all sources.
We owe a lot to TB. Long may he remain Chairman and owner of the Albion.
[quote][p][bold]SevenD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pte[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SevenD[/bold] wrote: I really don't understand why so many fans can not grasp the fact of FFP (Financial Fair Play) . We as a team are losing millions every year , and being bailed out by Tony Bloom. The revenue from the regrettable sale of Ulloa and Bridcutt / Buckley will undoubtedly ease the pressure for the team to make a loss again this year and also help for the payment of the 30 million pound training facility at Lancing. Balancing the books is massive to a mid sized club such as Brighton & Hove Albion. and not just about immediate results as opposed to the long term future of our beloved club. in summary we signed players that the club can afford and sustain a profitable club and in the near future we will reap the benefits of having a club that makes money and facilities that have paid for themselves. I fully understand frustration with a perceived lack top players , but they cost a lot and we need to be more realistic with our budgeting.[/p][/quote]Rubbish. The club makes millions, theres clubs with much smaller crowds spending more on players than us. The penny pinching is way over the top for how much money is earned. Also it's boring and isn't what puts bums on seats. Something doesn't add up at the amex if millions are being lost. Just look at the price of food and drink as well, if you can't make enough at those prices then somethings wrong.[/p][/quote]I agree. Bloom says we are losing 10 million a season, so tell us how? Something doesn't add up. UP THE ALBION UP JEFF LORMER[/p][/quote]Have to agree. What are they spending the money on? There's enough gate receipts TV money and sponsorship to cover a player wage bill of 10m so unless they've got a wage bill of 20m (average weekly wage 20k) why the loss? Can't be infrastructure costs because the ground is owned by a separate company. Unless the club are paying a massive rental to the separate company that owns the ground[/p][/quote]£10m a year? We have a squad of 28 players if they ave 10k a week 28x10x52 =£14.56m + you also have sami, NJ ,other coaches,"The suits, DS lads, other ground staff. Probably find the wage bill is nearer £20m[/p][/quote]And revenue coming in please or did you forget.[/p][/quote]In my opinion we forget that the infrastructure of this club is huge . 1) Marshalls 2) Ticketing staff 3) Bar Staff / Waitresses 4) Back room staff /secretaries etc 5) Home Game Police presence 6) subsidised travel service 7) merchandising staff / Shop 8) grounds keepers 9) AITC I could keep going .. this club aspires to be in the top flight and I'm sure that this aspiration could be costing us more than some clubs. plus no-one really knows our wage bill and income. suffice as to say its all guess work really. Secondly ENGLAND game last night had on the pitch a team that would drown our players wage bill by 10 times. and the best result we could get was a 1.0 result against Sweden who in my opinion are an average club......... So much for buying top players.[/p][/quote]Just for the record the costs of the subsidised travel service are well into 7 figures (confirmed by a board member). The figure I have heard quoted previously was about £1. 5 million. The club's turn over was £23 million last year with non playing side costs accounting for £17 million of that. I hope that gives some indication of how difficult it is to break even when running an ambitious Football club. It puts into context how beneficial the parachute payments are when one realises that clubs like Fulham and Norwich will receive parachute payments this year which are the same as BHA's total annual turnover from all sources. We owe a lot to TB. Long may he remain Chairman and owner of the Albion. ballantrrae
  • Score: 6

9:51pm Thu 4 Sep 14

ballantrrae says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion.
My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have.
The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit.
However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me.
Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS.
This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience.
More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP).
If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent.
Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better.
Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ?
UTA.
Ballantrae, just a thought on your sales to spending figures. Any money from the earlier sales will have already hit the balance sheet, our losses would have been cut as income can not be deferred. Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd were, I believe, sold prior to this years accounting. If I am right then only the money from recent sales, Ulloa and Buckley as prime figures, would come into this years accounting. I think I am right in saying that a minimum of 3 million HAD to be set aside for loss cutting, the required figure might have been higher.

Some of those coming to the end of their contracts will go, I think that's a given. I would like to think that Kaz and CMS would be offered new deals before January, Chicksen too. A new right back and two new CB's will need cover, Greer and maybe Bruno or Calde could be retained as back up, both on one year deals.

I think that either Calde or Bruno will go, along with Augustein, Hughes, and Maksi, and of course the loanees. If we retain some of our experience at the back for cover options, then maybe 7 or 8 new players would be needed, but as I said, I would like to see Kaz and CMS given new deals.
Vegas I was thinking purely from a cash flow players in and players out basis not on an Accounting year one.
As (virtually) always some well made and pertinent comments - duly noted !
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Time will prove whether our squad is strong enough for promotion. My concern like some other posters is to what degree our success will be affected by the lateness in signing the players we now have. The good news is that SH has 2 weeks thanks to the International break to begin getting players bedded in to his style and tactical approach. We then have 7 games (incl the Burton match) before we have another 2 week International break during which SH can finish the settling in process. Hopefully SH can take advantage of these two breaks to get the team functioning smoothly as a unit. However my longer term concern lies in the future. At the end of this season about 15 players will be out of contract or will have returned to their parent clubs. Here is a list that I can think of no doubt others will add to it and/or correct me. Angkergren, Bruno. Calde, GG, Hughes, Bennett, Chicksen, Maksimenko, Crofts, Angustein, McCourt, Gardner, Teixeira, LuaLua, and CMS. This means that we will be faced with an even bigger rebuilding task in a year's time than we have just experienced this Window. I hope we have learnt from the current experience. More to the point I wonder if some of the funds we generated from the sales of Ulloa and Buckley have already been set aside for such squad restructuring in the January Window. The fees invested in securing Baldock, Colunga, COG, Stephens and Stockdale must be of the order of £4.7 million. However we should have generated about £14.7 million if you add Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd's fees to Ulloa's and Buckley's. Being conservative that means we should have at least £8 million still left in the kitty (I am writing off £2 mill for FFP). If FFP has any impact come the end of the year (something I am increasingly doubtful about) then we should be in a good position to take advantage of any 'fire sales' of players that some club's might be forced to make. Such a strategy being employed by Bloom makes sense but it is a potentially flawed one since it is dependant on the Football League, Premier League, FA and FIFA having the strength and determination (not to mention the legal right) to apply sanctions where pertinent. Such thoughts and possible 'clever' strategies apart, the prospect of having to sign 15 (possibly 16 players if you add an extra CB) in 10 months time is pretty daunting especially when you realise how much trouble and difficulty BHA experienced this Window as Bloom seems to have acknowledged. The sooner the process starts the better. Thoughts anyone like Vegas, SMF20, Dave from Bexhill, Mikeygit, Captain Haddock, Albion in Staffs, Fairweathersupporter and other regular posters ? UTA.[/p][/quote]Ballantrae, just a thought on your sales to spending figures. Any money from the earlier sales will have already hit the balance sheet, our losses would have been cut as income can not be deferred. Bridcutt, Barnes and El-Abd were, I believe, sold prior to this years accounting. If I am right then only the money from recent sales, Ulloa and Buckley as prime figures, would come into this years accounting. I think I am right in saying that a minimum of 3 million HAD to be set aside for loss cutting, the required figure might have been higher. Some of those coming to the end of their contracts will go, I think that's a given. I would like to think that Kaz and CMS would be offered new deals before January, Chicksen too. A new right back and two new CB's will need cover, Greer and maybe Bruno or Calde could be retained as back up, both on one year deals. I think that either Calde or Bruno will go, along with Augustein, Hughes, and Maksi, and of course the loanees. If we retain some of our experience at the back for cover options, then maybe 7 or 8 new players would be needed, but as I said, I would like to see Kaz and CMS given new deals.[/p][/quote]Vegas I was thinking purely from a cash flow players in and players out basis not on an Accounting year one. As (virtually) always some well made and pertinent comments - duly noted ! ballantrrae
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