a. Ingleby-delube wrote:
Before all these people talk as if this is leeds fault. Leeds have been trying to get the FL to do this from the begining of the season the league have only now under the threat of the courts finally agreed. this is the leagues doing and blame them not Leeds United

Howard wrote:
Its so easy to counteract every part of the argument with "well Leeds are scum so deserve it" but not liking them or supporting them is not the issue. The issue is should the league have been able to deduct the points in the first place which ever team it may have been. All teams involved knew Leeds were fighting it all season. I sugggest they get there heads down and concentrate on getting as many points as possible out of their last three games and then see how it effects them. All these clubs chairman spouting off now are not helping their players

Dave wrote:

Howard wrote: Its so easy to counteract every part of the argument with \"well Leeds are scum so deserve it\" but not liking them or supporting them is not the issue. The issue is should the league have been able to deduct the points in the first place which ever team it may have been. All teams involved knew Leeds were fighting it all season. I sugggest they get there heads down and concentrate on getting as many points as possible out of their last three games and then see how it effects them. All these clubs chairman spouting off now are not helping their players

I much prefer the \"scum\" argument. Thanks all the same!

ANDOS1 wrote:

Dave wrote:

Howard wrote: Its so easy to counteract every part of the argument with \"well Leeds are scum so deserve it\" but not liking them or supporting them is not the issue. The issue is should the league have been able to deduct the points in the first place which ever team it may have been. All teams involved knew Leeds were fighting it all season. I sugggest they get there heads down and concentrate on getting as many points as possible out of their last three games and then see how it effects them. All these clubs chairman spouting off now are not helping their players

I much prefer the \"scum\" argument. Thanks all the same!

Thats because you obviously don't have the intelligence to offer an educated argument!

Don Revie wrote:
Leeds ARE SCUM. There fans have the worst reputation in my eyes for \\\\\\\'steaming\\\\\\\' a family crowd watching a fireworks display on Brighton Seafront (Brave lads). Anyway they didn\\\\\\\'t appeal against this points deduction for blatant manipulation of the British Administration system until they started losing points after there good start. Thought they could do it with the points deduction then realised better get the lawyers involved. THATS WHY IT AIN\\\\\\\'T BEEN RESOLVED TILL NOW (Thought I\\\\\\\'d have to shout that cause the Yorkshire based posts here haven\\\\\\\'t mentioned that!!) Intelligence, actual facts, and I still know they\\\\\\\'re scum

Dave wrote:

a. Ingleby-delube wrote: Before all these people talk as if this is leeds fault. Leeds have been trying to get the FL to do this from the begining of the season the league have only now under the threat of the courts finally agreed. this is the leagues doing and blame them not Leeds United

It is totally Leeds fault for spending beyond their means and getting themselves into debt. Leeds are scum. Always have been, always will be. The FL should have let you rot instead of letting you back into the league.

Don Revie wrote:
Leeds ARE SCUM. There fans have the worst reputation in my eyes for \'steaming\' a family crowd watching a fireworks display on Brighton Seafront (Brave lads). Anyway they didn\'t appeal against this points deduction for blatant manipulation of the British Administration system until they started losing points after there good start. Thought they could do it with the points deduction then realised better get the lawyers involved. THATS WHY IT AIN\'T BEEN RESOLVED TILL NOW (Thought I\'d have to shout that cause the Yorkshire based posts here haven\'t mentioned that!!)
Intelligence, actual facts, and I still know they\'re scum

Andrew wrote:
Leeds signed a document to say they would take the Golden Share but they would accept the 15-point deduction. If they weren't prepared to accept the penalty they shouldn't have signed the document. In answer to Clive's question above about "what else could Ken Bates do?" How about paying the money owed to the Inland Revenue, like all the rest of us have to?!? I'm not sure what all this has to do with Brighton as they're not going to make up 4 points anyway (unless of course the arbitration panel see sense and increase the points deduction).

TAXMAN wrote:
Any club that is insolvent and cheats it\'s creditors should be booted out of the league. There are many good, solvent, Conference clubs waiting to take their place.

Don Revie wrote:
Leeds ARE SCUM. There fans have the worst reputation in my eyes for \'steaming\' a family crowd watching a fireworks display on Brighton Seafront (Brave lads). Anyway they didn\'t appeal against this points deduction for blatant manipulation of the British Administration system until they started losing points after there good start. Thought they could do it with the points deduction then realised better get the lawyers involved. THATS WHY IT AIN\'T BEEN RESOLVED TILL NOW (Thought I\'d have to shout that cause the Yorkshire based posts here haven\'t mentioned that!!) Intelligence, actual facts, and I still know they\'re scum

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Georgie Worst wrote:
<b><b> Ask the poor creditors who lost millions of pounds if it is "fair" ?
Leeds signed off knowing their penalty...now theyre trying to cheat the system. Seems like theyre better at cheating than playing the 'game' !</b></b>

Jonny wrote:
Dave, Woolwich, why dont you come down to leeds and tell us we're scum. big hard man typing it into your computer.

steve wrote:
look lets get this right leeds r and always going to be a much better and biger club then brighton so all you muggey fans should get a life and stop your windging ok you sade muppets and yes i cant spell ok ****

spud wrote:
I think what stands out most through all of this is the facts are at no time have the football league commented fully on their decision to dock the points in the first place. They have been invisible these last few months and allowed this to steamroll out of control and cause so much controvery and confusion. Leeds fans have been kept in the know since day one via Mr Bates programme notes so we are some way into understanding the injustice or at least facts in the matter. It seems the likes of the representatives of Carlisle, Doncaster and Swansea really have no idea of the facts and its them that are causing unrest amongst there own teams fans etc Recently Mr Bates wrote he had spoken to many chaimen and asked why they voted on the 15 point penalty and most said they were ignorant of all facts at the time and also admitted it would be nice to start the season with 15 points on us as well as the possibility of us still being in that division next year guaranteeing them another big payday when the so called scum come to town. Wheres the extra 9 thousand Carlisle fans gone since Leeds played you 16.000 at Brunton Park back to 7.000 the week after. Seeems like all these teams wantb tomtake what they can from Leeds. Doesnt seem long since they all wanted a home venue on a pre season game against us

spud wrote:
I think what stands out most through all of this is the facts are at no time have the football league commented fully on their decision to dock the points in the first place. They have been invisible these last few months and allowed this to steamroll out of control and cause so much controvery and confusion. Leeds fans have been kept in the know since day one via Mr Bates programme notes so we are some way into understanding the injustice or at least facts in the matter. It seems the likes of the representatives of Carlisle, Doncaster and Swansea really have no idea of the facts and its them that are causing unrest amongst there own teams fans etc Recently Mr Bates wrote he had spoken to many chaimen and asked why they voted on the 15 point penalty and most said they were ignorant of all facts at the time and also admitted it would be nice to start the season with 15 points on us as well as the possibility of us still being in that division next year guaranteeing them another big payday when the so called scum come to town. Wheres the extra 9 thousand Carlisle fans gone since Leeds played you 16.000 at Brunton Park back to 7.000 the week after. Seeems like all these teams wantb tomtake what they can from Leeds. Doesnt seem long since they all wanted a home venue on a pre season game against us

Leeds fans have been kept in the know since day one via Mr Bates programme notes so we are some way into understanding the injustice or at least facts in the matter. It seems the likes of the representatives of Carlisle, Doncaster and Swansea really have no idea of the facts and its them that are causing unrest amongst there own teams fans.

Jonny wrote:
Georgie, please there's no need for insults and please stick to the topic of discussion. Mckenzie, I do agree with you to a degree, however the blame lies directly at the feet of the FA. they have manufactured this position and its the entire league 1 that is being affected. They are an embarrasment.

Georgie Worst wrote:
sorry to upset you Jonny. To say "I was kept informed of all the facts by Ken Bates is a Joke, the guy couldnt lie straight in bed ! What, did Leeds only rob the bank a little bit ??? Get over...do the crime do the time. I wonder where the saying "Whingeing Poms" come from..Leeds are lucky its only a small points deduction ! Dont you worry about all the financial problems theyve caused evryone else along with associated marriage breakdowns, divorces, suicides et al....no just give Leeds Utd all the points back cos their supporters want it that way ! HUH ! GROW UP !

Georgie Worst wrote:
Hope ur not a detective from Leeds Howie ! lol

Andy wrote:
We all know that Risdale made a mess of Leeds when he was 'living the dream', but the reason I don't have any sympathy for them is that they overspent again under Bates when they attempted to get back into the Premiership a few seasons back. They spent £1m each on 4 strikers - Cresswell, Blake, Hulse & Healey. Plus a load of other players for about £0.5m - Harding, Nicholls, Gregan, Westlake, Livermore, Derry. No other team in the Championship could afford players like that (+ the wages that go with them). If they'd got back into the Premiership the gamble would have paid off, but they didn't - they got thrashed by Watford in the play-off final instead. Therefore they've got to take the consequences. Other clubs weren't spending money they didn't have. Why should Leeds be able to get away with it?

spud wrote:

TAXMAN wrote: Any club that is insolvent and cheats it\'s creditors should be booted out of the league. There are many good, solvent, Conference clubs waiting to take their place.

I believe the so called "Mr Revie" has now reapeared on the blog as "TAXMAN". Seems that that Dave from Woolich has more guises than Mr Benn

Pete wrote:

Andy wrote: We all know that Risdale made a mess of Leeds when he was 'living the dream', but the reason I don't have any sympathy for them is that they overspent again under Bates when they attempted to get back into the Premiership a few seasons back. They spent £1m each on 4 strikers - Cresswell, Blake, Hulse &amp; Healey. Plus a load of other players for about £0.5m - Harding, Nicholls, Gregan, Westlake, Livermore, Derry. No other team in the Championship could afford players like that (+ the wages that go with them). If they'd got back into the Premiership the gamble would have paid off, but they didn't - they got thrashed by Watford in the play-off final instead. Therefore they've got to take the consequences. Other clubs weren't spending money they didn't have. Why should Leeds be able to get away with it?

Andy no Leeds fan is asking for any special treatment, we just want to know which rule we broke and whether it has been applied correctly. Since this happened Leeds United have asked the FL to clarify this but they have refused until a writ was served. You have to ask why they have agreed to go to arbitration if they haven't done anything incorrectly. Surely if they are in the right a writ wouldn't worry them. If any fan or chairman from any other club would state that they wouldn't be doing the same thing then they are lying. Also thanks for all your gratitude for using buying Beeney off you to save you going into administration all those years ago ...

Barry Grier wrote:
All you "stupid" football fans and chairman are showing the level of intelligence that is about in football today. I've heard & read all these comments saying Leeds broke the rules and have been punished and the punishment should stand.....(your idiots!!) The real truth of the matter is - Have Leeds broken the rules?? Not should the punishment stand!!! I suggest as is normal in all walks of life, get your facts right before spouting off!!

Claude Back wrote:
Umm, shouldn't that be Master Bates? He is a right tosser after all.

Phil wrote:
Leeds were slowly but surely paying their debts off this time last season. An original debt of nearly £100 mil was down to £35 mil. It was only because of HMRC getting impatient for their money that they issued a winding up order leaving us with no option but to go into administration. Then they appealed the CVA (as they have done with all administrations since) because they are unhappy with the FL's policy of look after your own (All football related debts paid in full first), I as a tax payer also think this is a shocking policy, the administration should be treated in the same manor of that of a business, all employee debts (players must be included) paid first and the other debts paid pence in the pound based on what is left in the pot. Then because the HMRC have got what would be a fair share from the administration a CVA could be agreed with debtors get further parts of their debts back when the new club is profitable. I think the whole saga has been an organisational nightmare on the FL's part, in my opinion heads must roll. Why were there no rules about punishment for not exiting administration throgh a CVA? Why is there still no agreement with HMRC a year after their issue with football related administrations was raised? Why since Leeds have been appealing -15 since day one of the season did they not accept our right to appeal? Why did Ken Bates have to issue them with a writ to get them to listen to our right of appeal? And before you say we have no right to appeal because of the contract we signed, contracts signed under duress (sign this or do not enter the league) do not stand up in court. The FL has acted appauling over this matter and someone has to shoulder the blame for clubs not finding out the final standings until after the season has finished and possibly the play off semi's have been completed. What an absolute joke! The top clubs in England realised what a joke the FL was 15 years ago and left to form the Premier league. FL = COMPLETE AND UTTER JOKE!!

Jonny wrote:
Phil
strong squad, our squad is not strong and poyet and mccallister have worked miracles in getting us to where we are.
Gergie from Australia
stick to cricket or somehting, dont get invloved in things you dont understand.

al wrote:
it will be hilarious in a few years time when Brighton go into adminstration after building the white elephant that the half empty Falmer will become ! your town is full of part time supporters ... you can't even fill out a tiny poxy ground like Withdean ! :-)

Howard wrote:
Lets leave Dave from Woolich to remain bitter and twisted and not let him ruin what would normaly be a good debate. Hes obviously intelligent, he can spell "scum" without a spellcheck

Any team which misses out on the playoffs or automatic promotion through this saga has just cause to complain.

The punishment given at the start of the season, rightly or wrongly, was 15 points. Leeds have done really well in catching up from that position, but as far as EVERY team in the league was concerned the points deduction was there to stay.

Had Leeds early form continued this debate would not be happening, as they would have already won the league, but the fact is Brighton or Walsall might miss out on a playoff position or Doncaster or Carlisle on automatic promotion because of this.

Leeds may be feeling hard done by, but any club which misses out at this late stage has a duty to their supporters (as Leeds board does) to get any ruling overturned.