Seagulls swoop for Man City duo (From The Argus)
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Seagulls swoop for Man City duo
10:16am Thursday 16th February 2012 in Sport By Andy Naylor
Abdul Razak
Albion are poised to complete the signing of Manchester City's Ivorian midfielder Abdul Razak on loan for the rest of the season.
And The Argus understands he will be joined at The Amex by Israeli team-mate Gai Assulin, an attacking midfielder/winger.
The double deal is in place now that the Premier League leaders have players back from the African Nations Cup and will be confirmed later today or tomorrow.
Poyet said of 19-year-old Razak: "We were waiting. We were very close in the beginning of January. The African Cup didn't help us at all but I hope that everything is going to go through and we can do it today.
"We were following him when he went on loan to Portsmouth. He has the type of characteristics of a midfielder I want to bring, the strength, the power, thetechnical ability, box to box, so he has got plenty of things we don't have."
Assulin, 20, is an Israeli under 21 international who played for Barcelona before joining City.
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jasblue
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10:28am Thu 16 Feb 12
Willie, Willie Irvine
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10:35am Thu 16 Feb 12
CAKEBEARD
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10:40am Thu 16 Feb 12
Bancieri
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10:41am Thu 16 Feb 12
farside
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10:41am Thu 16 Feb 12
heathgate
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10:50am Thu 16 Feb 12
7Rookie
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10:58am Thu 16 Feb 12
pablobrowno
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11:00am Thu 16 Feb 12
waterhouse
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11:28am Thu 16 Feb 12
saraman
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11:46am Thu 16 Feb 12
LesBerry
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12:00pm Thu 16 Feb 12
beanyeye
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12:00pm Thu 16 Feb 12
saraman wrote:Vincent Company - now that WOULD be a signing! The two fellows are a great start, though.
Gives me the willies every time we sign a player with recent injury problems. Someone to keep Vicente company maybe. Anyway, well done Gus (I hope)
Cabin fever
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12:03pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Just out of interest, does anyone still want Murray back?
Hovite
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12:06pm Thu 16 Feb 12
7Rookie
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12:16pm Thu 16 Feb 12
LesBerry wrote:Was not being negative just pointing out his career, did the disclaimer about not knowing how good he is at the bottom go unnoticed?
Oh my god....we bring in two premiership quality players, signalling a clear intention to push for promotion this year and STILL people feel the need to have a moan... 7Rookie - why, I really do not get it....saraman - why see the negative why ??
Ripe seagull.
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12:23pm Thu 16 Feb 12
LesBerry wrote:You're absolutely right! When you think where we were just 2 or 3 years ago and where we are now, it is beyond belief that some people are not happy with where we are! Maybe they've just started coming along this season? I cannot think of any other explanation!
Oh my god....we bring in two premiership quality players, signalling a clear intention to push for promotion this year and STILL people feel the need to have a moan... 7Rookie - why, I really do not get it....saraman - why see the negative why ??
IKnowNowt
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12:34pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Hovite
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12:41pm Thu 16 Feb 12
IKnowNowt
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12:44pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Hovite
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12:50pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Claude Back
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12:52pm Thu 16 Feb 12
IKnowNowt wrote:Sorry, I don't get it. What has it to do with donkeys?
Isn't it taking the anti homophobic thing to an extreme when we signed our new winger GAI ASSulin? Just a comment, and attempt at humour, no malice or insult intended mr/ms moderator please feel free to remove if you feel it inappropriate.
tooncgull
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12:54pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Im a traditionalist - its all a bit artificial and I disagree with it fundamentally.
Not a fan of this sort of thing - I'll leap around as usual when they score of course, but I wish they were Brighton players.
piogold
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1:15pm Thu 16 Feb 12
tooncgull wrote:Before you get too critical of the loan system just remember that without it we'd probably have bought Bill Paynter on a two- or three-year contract!
My only gripe is this - I dont really like the loan system, filling your team with players who are not really yours... its ok if you have one, maybe two, but we are now likely to be fielding Gonzales and Vokes and Mattock and Razak and the other fella ... FIVE loanees? Im a traditionalist - its all a bit artificial and I disagree with it fundamentally. Not a fan of this sort of thing - I'll leap around as usual when they score of course, but I wish they were Brighton players.
NickA18
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1:16pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Cabin fever
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1:30pm Thu 16 Feb 12
tooncgull wrote:They might be, come the beginning of next season!
My only gripe is this - I dont really like the loan system, filling your team with players who are not really yours... its ok if you have one, maybe two, but we are now likely to be fielding Gonzales and Vokes and Mattock and Razak and the other fella ... FIVE loanees?
Im a traditionalist - its all a bit artificial and I disagree with it fundamentally.
Not a fan of this sort of thing - I'll leap around as usual when they score of course, but I wish they were Brighton players.
We don't know how many of these are on a potential loan-to-buy deal, but I would have thought that one or two would be heading that way...
Hovite
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1:40pm Thu 16 Feb 12
As mentioned above by piogold, the advantage is that you can see how a player fits in rather than make a massive mistake like Torres and being stuck with him.
Try before you buy!
saraman
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1:48pm Thu 16 Feb 12
7Rookie wrote:Not being negative Les, just being cautious. It was more tongue in cheek than anything else. I'm as thrilled as anybody at the progress The Albion are making. I'm sorry if I have rattled a few cages over the past 2 or 3 days.
LesBerry wrote:Was not being negative just pointing out his career, did the disclaimer about not knowing how good he is at the bottom go unnoticed?
Oh my god....we bring in two premiership quality players, signalling a clear intention to push for promotion this year and STILL people feel the need to have a moan... 7Rookie - why, I really do not get it....saraman - why see the negative why ??
JoeBlow
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1:52pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Not worried he's the fifth loanee, I'm worried he's a fifth columnist. :)
ballantrrae
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2:11pm Thu 16 Feb 12
farside wrote:Great news ! As others have said this is a clear demonstration of the club's ambition. I assume neither is Cup tied, please correct me if I am wrong.
looks like Razak is a loan for this season and maybe even repeated next year but my guess would be Assulin is a loan with a view to a buy on the assumption that one of our current crop of speedster wingers will get snaffled up in the summer. Nothing like a bit of forward planning - how much more professional have we become!
Interesting comment Farside re Assulin and getting a replacement in (or at least having a close look at before buying) prior to someone leaving. I wonder what might happen to Noone this summer. Alternatively is Assulin coming to 'job share' with Vicente - both are "attacking midfielders/wingers"
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Delighted to hear about Razac. Judging from Poyet's comments he is the type of midfielder he has been looking for and our strikers, CMS in particular, should benefit from.
With this double signing is Poyet still in the market for another striker that he indicated he might get as a result of Hoskins having gone out on Loan ?
Any thoughts Farside, Cabin fever, Hovite, Seagulljoe, Albion fan in London, Saraman, Dr Baldhead or MBTS (long time no hear MBTS are you OK - I for one have missed your postings).
rolivan
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2:17pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Hovite wrote:I think with the extra money we have and are guaranteed by getting this far in the F.A.Cup it has enabled the club to spend some more on bolstering the squad.Next season will be a whole new ball game with better deals for the club from Sponsors and other extra revenue from gate receipts.I cant see many not renewing their season tickets.Even if they do they will soon be snapped up.
The loan system is the future of football to compensate for the players excessive wages that have put the future of many clubs in the balance.
As mentioned above by piogold, the advantage is that you can see how a player fits in rather than make a massive mistake like Torres and being stuck with him.
Try before you buy!
brightonup
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2:29pm Thu 16 Feb 12
rolivan wrote:All true!
Hovite wrote: The loan system is the future of football to compensate for the players excessive wages that have put the future of many clubs in the balance. As mentioned above by piogold, the advantage is that you can see how a player fits in rather than make a massive mistake like Torres and being stuck with him. Try before you buy!I think with the extra money we have and are guaranteed by getting this far in the F.A.Cup it has enabled the club to spend some more on bolstering the squad.Next season will be a whole new ball game with better deals for the club from Sponsors and other extra revenue from gate receipts.I cant see many not renewing their season tickets.Even if they do they will soon be snapped up.
pablobrowno
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2:33pm Thu 16 Feb 12
tandseagalsamantha
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2:36pm Thu 16 Feb 12
kumquat
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2:37pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Hovite
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2:43pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Totalled with injuries, suspensions, loss of form or needing a rest to prevent further injury to an injury.
We probably need 3 options to each position to cover the above.
If a player is only used 20 - 30 times, it is still a good season for them. It isn't really just about the games they play, it is about the mentality of the team as a whole and how they train with each other.
This also lengthens players careers by not playing through injury.
Giggs is a good example of this, just waiting until he is needed.
graham w
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2:46pm Thu 16 Feb 12
graham w
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2:46pm Thu 16 Feb 12
KeefyH44
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2:46pm Thu 16 Feb 12
tooncgull wrote:I agree, I recall, many years ago that we gained promotion on the back of several loan signings and, when they returned to their respective clubs we fared very badly the following season. I do hope some of these players are loan to buy, would make for very exciting times.
My only gripe is this - I dont really like the loan system, filling your team with players who are not really yours... its ok if you have one, maybe two, but we are now likely to be fielding Gonzales and Vokes and Mattock and Razak and the other fella ... FIVE loanees?
Im a traditionalist - its all a bit artificial and I disagree with it fundamentally.
Not a fan of this sort of thing - I'll leap around as usual when they score of course, but I wish they were Brighton players.
seagulljoe
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2:47pm Thu 16 Feb 12
JoeBlow wrote:Surely you can only be a reject if you move or are sold to a club lower than the one you were at?
Razak is a Palarse reject. :(
Not worried he's the fifth loanee, I'm worried he's a fifth columnist. :)
graham w
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2:50pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Cabin fever
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3:00pm Thu 16 Feb 12
pablobrowno wrote:Why 'of course'?
Err yeah I would still have Murray back! Of course!!!
Perseus
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3:33pm Thu 16 Feb 12
saraman
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3:49pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Albion fan in London
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4:03pm Thu 16 Feb 12
KeefyH44
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4:06pm Thu 16 Feb 12
graham w wrote:Exciting times though eh!
dont worry Keefyh44, that was then .THIS IS NOW......
Jonathan Mouette
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5:01pm Thu 16 Feb 12
saraman wrote:With 7 subs available on Sunday this is surely down to good economics... If 2 of the squad only have to come from Manchester it will cut down on travel and accommodation overheads. Even in these heady times we must look after the pennies. On a more serious not Saraman I entirely agree. If true then there are guys like JFC who will be looking at developments here with more than a passing (excuse the pun) interest.
According to BBC Radio Sx the two new boys are to play at Anfield. Should put a few noses out of joint methinks.
Cabin fever
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5:09pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Jonathan Mouette wrote:I see where you're coming from JM, but presumably they will be down here anyway signing contracts/having a medical/meeting their new team mates?
saraman wrote:With 7 subs available on Sunday this is surely down to good economics... If 2 of the squad only have to come from Manchester it will cut down on travel and accommodation overheads. Even in these heady times we must look after the pennies. On a more serious not Saraman I entirely agree. If true then there are guys like JFC who will be looking at developments here with more than a passing (excuse the pun) interest.
According to BBC Radio Sx the two new boys are to play at Anfield. Should put a few noses out of joint methinks.
Plus how much difference is two seats on a bus and hotel room going to make?
I guess players will have their noses out of joint, but competition for places means working harder in training and then better performances on the pitch. From a SQUAD, as opposed to an individuals, point of view that must be a good thing.
SicklySeagull
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5:12pm Thu 16 Feb 12
farside
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5:16pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Vicente_1
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5:16pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Ripe seagull.
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5:32pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Vicente_1 wrote:A replacement for Bennett? What on earth is Will Buckley?
Assulin was expected to be taken into the 1st team at barcelona with busquets as pep guardiola took over but a bad injury that year cost him. One of city's highest rated youngsters. Anyone else thinking were getting closer to what swansea did in their first season in the championship before they went up last year... scott sinclair/ gai assulin. And also finally a replacement for bennett??
campotolox
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5:49pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Vicente_1
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6:05pm Thu 16 Feb 12
campotolox
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6:35pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Ripe seagull.
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6:39pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Vicente_1 wrote:While I agree that Bennett played in the hole, he also played on the wing and yes, he had a fantastic amount of assists, you can't deny that Buckley has been the difference in quite a number of games! Personally I think he could easily slot into that position if asked and again personally I believe that Buckley is a better player!
Yes Buckley is good but hardly comparable to bennett who played in the hole last season and got more than 20 assists. He was the difference between us and the rest last season. Two very good players though, you wouldnt compare a wesley sneider to an arjen robben, both very important however!
The Phantom
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6:44pm Thu 16 Feb 12
KeefyH44 wrote:Unfortunately it is increasingly part of the modern game, especially with clubs with huge squads like Manchester City. Don't like seeing it myself as enjoy seeing our own players (hopefully) progress during a season. You do wonder what will become of some of the players now, especially the likes of Harley and Vincelot. Also a shame for the youngsters like JFC and and Toby who presumably will fade out of contention now even though they have done well. On the basis that we appear to have got another winger in, you would have thought we might have sold Nooney although glad we didn't. Seem to remember Gus saying he did not like too many loan players in the squad but I misheard him.......
tooncgull wrote:I agree, I recall, many years ago that we gained promotion on the back of several loan signings and, when they returned to their respective clubs we fared very badly the following season. I do hope some of these players are loan to buy, would make for very exciting times.
My only gripe is this - I dont really like the loan system, filling your team with players who are not really yours... its ok if you have one, maybe two, but we are now likely to be fielding Gonzales and Vokes and Mattock and Razak and the other fella ... FIVE loanees?
Im a traditionalist - its all a bit artificial and I disagree with it fundamentally.
Not a fan of this sort of thing - I'll leap around as usual when they score of course, but I wish they were Brighton players.
saraman
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6:46pm Thu 16 Feb 12
campotolox wrote:Too many sherberts Campo?
BET U R A TRAIN SPOTTER,LIVEING ON OUR OWN WITH AN ANORORAKE,BEFORE YOU SAY IT SPELLEPF THE LAST WORD WRONG,DID YOU PLAY FOR BRIGHTON BOYS,DONT THINK SO!!
Bish May Turn
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6:48pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Vicente_1 wrote:Comparable in type, perhaps not, but Buckley has the raw talent to become one of the best to ever wear the Blue and White stripes.His second goal against Doncaster will live long in the memory!
Yes Buckley is good but hardly comparable to bennett who played in the hole last season and got more than 20 assists. He was the difference between us and the rest last season. Two very good players though, you wouldnt compare a wesley sneider to an arjen robben, both very important however!
saraman
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6:52pm Thu 16 Feb 12
The Phantom wrote:What Gus said was he didn't like short term loans, ie a month. His preference is for 3 months or more. These signings will take us to the end of the season. You know it makes sense Rodney.
KeefyH44 wrote:Unfortunately it is increasingly part of the modern game, especially with clubs with huge squads like Manchester City. Don't like seeing it myself as enjoy seeing our own players (hopefully) progress during a season. You do wonder what will become of some of the players now, especially the likes of Harley and Vincelot. Also a shame for the youngsters like JFC and and Toby who presumably will fade out of contention now even though they have done well. On the basis that we appear to have got another winger in, you would have thought we might have sold Nooney although glad we didn't. Seem to remember Gus saying he did not like too many loan players in the squad but I misheard him.......
tooncgull wrote:I agree, I recall, many years ago that we gained promotion on the back of several loan signings and, when they returned to their respective clubs we fared very badly the following season. I do hope some of these players are loan to buy, would make for very exciting times.
My only gripe is this - I dont really like the loan system, filling your team with players who are not really yours... its ok if you have one, maybe two, but we are now likely to be fielding Gonzales and Vokes and Mattock and Razak and the other fella ... FIVE loanees?
Im a traditionalist - its all a bit artificial and I disagree with it fundamentally.
Not a fan of this sort of thing - I'll leap around as usual when they score of course, but I wish they were Brighton players.
gordongull
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7:13pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:Don't mention the 'P' word, W.W.I.
Well, I don't think we can question the club's clear intent to push on for promotion this season... Getting exciting, innit..?
A number of fans want us to keep our feet on the ground and take each game as it comes.
The careless use of phrases like 'getting exciting, innit....?' shows no consideration for those individuals!
Hovite
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7:25pm Thu 16 Feb 12
gordongull
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7:43pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Hovite wrote:They don't have a fair play league in the Championship.
Don't know about everyone else but I'm thinking of Europe!!!
Hovite
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7:52pm Thu 16 Feb 12
gordongull
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7:57pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Hovite wrote:Forgot all about the F.A.Cup :)
FA Cup winners?
brightonup
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8:05pm Thu 16 Feb 12
If you had told me a year ago that we would have Lua Lua, CMS, Vicente etc signed plus Reyes, Razak etc on loan, I would have thought you were living in a parallel universe.........
Oh my God - this is great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Alan Duffy
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8:09pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Alan Duffy
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8:14pm Thu 16 Feb 12
gordongull
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8:35pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Alex Mcleish only realised Birmingham's win over Arsenal in last year's Carling Cup Final meant they had qualified for Europe, when a journalist told him!
fratsomrover
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8:48pm Thu 16 Feb 12
Should increase the entertainment eh ?
The Phantom
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9:09pm Thu 16 Feb 12
saraman wrote:Trouble is on Twitter, Andy Naylor says they are classified as short term loans!
The Phantom wrote:What Gus said was he didn't like short term loans, ie a month. His preference is for 3 months or more. These signings will take us to the end of the season. You know it makes sense Rodney.
KeefyH44 wrote:Unfortunately it is increasingly part of the modern game, especially with clubs with huge squads like Manchester City. Don't like seeing it myself as enjoy seeing our own players (hopefully) progress during a season. You do wonder what will become of some of the players now, especially the likes of Harley and Vincelot. Also a shame for the youngsters like JFC and and Toby who presumably will fade out of contention now even though they have done well. On the basis that we appear to have got another winger in, you would have thought we might have sold Nooney although glad we didn't. Seem to remember Gus saying he did not like too many loan players in the squad but I misheard him.......
tooncgull wrote:I agree, I recall, many years ago that we gained promotion on the back of several loan signings and, when they returned to their respective clubs we fared very badly the following season. I do hope some of these players are loan to buy, would make for very exciting times.
My only gripe is this - I dont really like the loan system, filling your team with players who are not really yours... its ok if you have one, maybe two, but we are now likely to be fielding Gonzales and Vokes and Mattock and Razak and the other fella ... FIVE loanees?
Im a traditionalist - its all a bit artificial and I disagree with it fundamentally.
Not a fan of this sort of thing - I'll leap around as usual when they score of course, but I wish they were Brighton players.
MikeTheMan
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8:39am Fri 17 Feb 12
Twittern Wanderer
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12:13pm Fri 17 Feb 12
waterhouse wrote:"NURSE! waterhouse is rambling again!"
Premiership here we come!!!!!!
Chip of Goring
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6:06pm Fri 17 Feb 12
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