Poyet in Swansea link (From The Argus)
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Poyet in Swansea link
1:47pm Thursday 31st May 2012 in Sport
Gus Poyet has previously stated his commitment to Albion
Albion boss Gus Poyet has been made favourite by some bookies to fill the imminent managerial vacancy at Swansea City.
Poyet was last night being quoted as short as 7/4 to replace Brendan Rogers, whose move to Liverpool is likely to be completed today.
Blackpool manager Ian Holloway was Poyet’s closest rival in the betting.
Poyet recently insisted he was shrugging off speculation about his future, saying: “If you think about all that you forget about your job and I’m trying to get players in, that’s the main thing now.”
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Dave in Hastings
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1:54pm Thu 31 May 12
Dave in Hastings
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1:56pm Thu 31 May 12
Yogi wrote:Don't understand - why would it be difficult to turn down a club who are smaller than the Albion?
If he goes then good luck to him as it would be difficult for him to turn this job down. Can only hope a top manager will replace him if this goes ahead. Curbishly for me, definitely not Di Canio.
rockypaul
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2:06pm Thu 31 May 12
mark5
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2:09pm Thu 31 May 12
....! I do not think it is at all likely that Gus will be heading to Swansea, the potential is much bigger here without doubt. He needs to prove himself here, get us to the Prem or a strong top 6 finish and then there will be some real value in him for some of the bigger clubs. To move to Swansea now, who could well struggle next year would not be a logical career stepping stone for him.
mickeymonkeyman
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2:12pm Thu 31 May 12
Alan G Skinner
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2:22pm Thu 31 May 12
BobbyZamoraIsALegend
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2:24pm Thu 31 May 12
dave from bexill
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2:27pm Thu 31 May 12
Swansea is a super club at the moment, but so is Brighton and arguably with more potential. If Gus is approached, I'm sure he will take this into consideration. Now he just needs to get on and bring some good signings to the club.
Everyone has their own view on who'd they would like to come in and I was sorry that Leadbitter has gone from Ipswich to M'boro to replace Barry Robson. Good central midfielder in championship and on freedom of contract. Still, I'm sure Gus knows who he wants. I think a nice early signing would make us all feel better.
Camicus
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2:45pm Thu 31 May 12
markymark03
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2:47pm Thu 31 May 12
sidtheseagull
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2:52pm Thu 31 May 12
rolivan
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2:54pm Thu 31 May 12
Claude Back
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3:17pm Thu 31 May 12
7Rookie
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3:23pm Thu 31 May 12
Do wish people would stop saying that it would not be a upward step though, they are in the league above (something which at the moment we can only aspire to), and Poyet would view it is a challenge to improve on what they did last season.
cvs
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4:43pm Thu 31 May 12
Claude Back wrote:A rather strange argument as we are about to start our second season in the Championship
I don't think Gus will go to Swansea. Rogers will poach Swansea's three best players to follow him to Liverpool and Swansea will inevitably suffer from the so-called 'Second Season Syndrome' even if they keep their good players. Gus is not that stupid so don't worry.
pinta harveys
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5:03pm Thu 31 May 12
mark5
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5:04pm Thu 31 May 12
7Rookie wrote:Fair point actually. Swansea are in the Prem at the moment, and we are not. Also, he may well see improvement on last seasons finish as a challenge. I still think that this will not be the right move for him though, when all said and done.
Boring! I have my doubts whether they would want him him, fair few managers who have achieved more and would be cheaper than Poyet.
Do wish people would stop saying that it would not be a upward step though, they are in the league above (something which at the moment we can only aspire to), and Poyet would view it is a challenge to improve on what they did last season.
championshipgull
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5:15pm Thu 31 May 12
Baldseagull
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5:26pm Thu 31 May 12
championshipgull wrote:The Norwich job would be more alluring, but still not the job to tempt Gus yet.
As Paul Lambert has resigned to go to Villa. Will tomorrows headline be, Poyet in Norwich link.
lavenderman
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5:32pm Thu 31 May 12
AmexicanWave
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5:51pm Thu 31 May 12
cvs wrote:I rather think that Claude was referring to the Premier League when using the term 'Second Season Syndrome'. So it wasn't such a strange argument after all.
Claude Back wrote:A rather strange argument as we are about to start our second season in the Championship
I don't think Gus will go to Swansea. Rogers will poach Swansea's three best players to follow him to Liverpool and Swansea will inevitably suffer from the so-called 'Second Season Syndrome' even if they keep their good players. Gus is not that stupid so don't worry.
dave from bexill
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6:02pm Thu 31 May 12
lavenderman wrote:As much as I wish I could totally disagree with you lavenderman, I suppose you do make a valid point, but thats us footy fans for you.
get real seagulls fans....BHA are a middling championship side, and have only just arrived at that status. Swansea are a mid table premier side....such unearned arrogance!
Hovite
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6:13pm Thu 31 May 12
lavenderman wrote:Gus turned down a Championship Swansea, with a nice new stadium and bright future in 2010, but he chose to join Brighton playing in Div 1 at the Withdean. If he wanted a short cut to the Premiership why didn’t he join them then and take them there? There was obviously something appealing about buying into the Brighton project as a whole even when we virtually had nothing.
get real seagulls fans....BHA are a middling championship side, and have only just arrived at that status. Swansea are a mid table premier side....such unearned arrogance!
I have full respect for Swansea as a modern day Prem club and the way they play but Gus has to replicate that success here and earn his place in the Prem. That is why Liverpool are after Rogers, not Poyet.
The first real test of a good manager is the ability to build a team, not walk in on a readymade one.
Alfie T
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6:19pm Thu 31 May 12
dave from bexill wrote:Agree,we are getting a little ahead of ourselves, however Swansea's success could all come crashing down,I hope not,really enjoyed watching them last season. I hope they get a manager who maintains their style and status,but honestly,don't think it will be Gus.
lavenderman wrote:As much as I wish I could totally disagree with you lavenderman, I suppose you do make a valid point, but thats us footy fans for you.
get real seagulls fans....BHA are a middling championship side, and have only just arrived at that status. Swansea are a mid table premier side....such unearned arrogance!
Claude Back
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6:56pm Thu 31 May 12
AmexicanWave wrote:Thanks, Amexican Wave. You are correct. I did plainly state 'Swansea will suffer from Second Season syndrone' so I cannot see why CVS was confused. Although the Albion are starting their second season (recently) in the Championship the position is much different.
cvs wrote:I rather think that Claude was referring to the Premier League when using the term 'Second Season Syndrome'. So it wasn't such a strange argument after all.
Claude Back wrote:A rather strange argument as we are about to start our second season in the Championship
I don't think Gus will go to Swansea. Rogers will poach Swansea's three best players to follow him to Liverpool and Swansea will inevitably suffer from the so-called 'Second Season Syndrome' even if they keep their good players. Gus is not that stupid so don't worry.
namgo49
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7:38pm Thu 31 May 12
With or without Brendan Rogers they would be strugglers next year. They don't own their ground which is a shared facility and pretty spartan at that. They haven't got a significant income stream and their fan base has peaked.
No I don't think so unless GP has his nose put out of joint with things here in the very near future!!
fairweathersupporter
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7:44pm Thu 31 May 12
Alan G Skinner wrote:More likely than the previous 'worry' about him going to Villa but still unlikely IMO.
Swansea are a terrific little club, with some really good people. However, Brighton are already a larger and superior Football Club, with extraordinary potential to grow and become a genuine Premiership heavyweight, with respect, Swansea do not. I imagine Gus would be decidedly underwhelmed at the prospect of joining Swansea and I’m sure he is more excited about continuing our project at Brighton. As has been stated on countless occasions, it would take something “very special” for Gus to leave the Albion and I’m afraid Swansea fall well short of that stature.
I am a loyal and long standing supporter of nearly 40 odd years (not that this automatically makes me an authority on anything)... But please, we are not going to be anywhere near 'Premiership heavyweights' any time soon (if ever). We are more like Swansea or Norwich in catchment and set up (than Chelsea or Manchester Utd or City). Don't get me wrong, the future looks great and the infrastructure etc, etc. Swansea would be a step up for Gus but he strikes me as a loyal man. I believe that he would rather be Gus Poyet MK1 rather than Brendan Rogers MK2 (which is essentially what Swansea have stated they want). The counter to this is of course they are already where he (and we) aspire to be. The great thing about our situation is that the club is on such a seemingly sound footing that the loss of Gus or for that matter any particular player would not necessarily derail our ascent. If Mr Bloom were to go though... So not endless millions but endless hope, not no life after Gus but 'in Gus we trust' and go if he must.
HOVEPARKPRESIDENT.
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7:48pm Thu 31 May 12
rolivan
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9:11pm Thu 31 May 12
Captain Haddock
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1:14am Fri 1 Jun 12
lavenderman wrote:Middling Championship side with 17,500 STHs last season and 2,500 on a waiting list.
get real seagulls fans....BHA are a middling championship side, and have only just arrived at that status. Swansea are a mid table premier side....such unearned arrogance!
22,500 sold this summer so far, putting us in the top dozen clubs in the country for ST sales.
Yeah, middling.
Captain Haddock
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1:19am Fri 1 Jun 12
rolivan wrote:Graeme Jones. Yes Wigan have given The Jacks permission to speak to the Wigan assistant this evening.
The bookies have stopped taking bets on the assistant at Wigan becoming Swanseas new manager apparently His Odds of getting the job shortened to 1/10
Interesting, I must say.
Vince
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1:48am Fri 1 Jun 12
mickeymonkeyman
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mickeymonkeyman
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pte
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8:14am Fri 1 Jun 12
Vince wrote:Agreed. Lambert's fighting to leave Norwich so why would Gus fight to join such a club? If Lambert is so desperate to leave it can't be such a good club to work for. I dont think they have a realistic budget for the Prem which is why they poach hidden gems in league 1 Possibly Crofts and Bennet will give Gus the inside dope on the club
Norwich City go to great pains to poach other teams managers and players (even illegally, like their approach to Paul Lambert of Colchester for which they were heavily fined) but when it comes to releasing their own manager (Paul Lambert who handed in his resignation) and players (like Grant Holt who put in a transfer request), they refuse. Brighton on the other hand will never stop in a player's way if they want to go. Hence we released both Andrew Crofts and Elliot Bennett to (of all teams!) Norwich. Now someone above is saying that Norwich might go for Gus, if they do lose Paul Lambert. I guess that if Gus does go to a Premier club, he will take Vicente with him, and will also try to take Buckley, Lua Lua and possibly Bridcutt. Brighton should stop being a soft touch and say NO,NO,NO particularly if it's Norwich!
Cabin fever
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10:24am Fri 1 Jun 12
Captain Haddock wrote:The last time I looked, season ticket sales don't earn teams promotion.
lavenderman wrote:Middling Championship side with 17,500 STHs last season and 2,500 on a waiting list.
get real seagulls fans....BHA are a middling championship side, and have only just arrived at that status. Swansea are a mid table premier side....such unearned arrogance!
22,500 sold this summer so far, putting us in the top dozen clubs in the country for ST sales.
Yeah, middling.
Top 10 finish first season back in the championship, yes, but who's to say what might happen next season? That's not meant to be negative, just realistic and recognising that it is a tough division.
I DO believe that second-season syndrome is just as relevant in the Championship as in the Premiership. Not to say it WILL happen, just that it could.
Lavenderman is right, the amount of arrogance and naivety on this thread is unbelievable. Historically we have spent just a handful of years in the top flight, but just because we have an affluent chairman and a shiny new stadium, some people think we are a big club. It's just not the case....yet.
And Hovite, I don't think Gus was offered the Swansea job, so he didn't get the chance to turn it down.
Personally I think Poyet will stay here, but if/when he does go, TB will not be short of top quality CVs in his inbox...
Everyone relax, and enjoy the long weekend!
Billyboyarnold
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11:02am Fri 1 Jun 12
Hovite
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11:59am Fri 1 Jun 12
I don't think he is going anywhere soon and like yourself I would be confident of a long queue of quality for any vacancy.
Either way as you said, there is nothing to worry about.
Peter Ward to become the next Brighton manager 120/1
Cabin fever
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12:32pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Hovite wrote:No, I meant in 2010 he wasn't offered the job. Could be wrong though...
Yep you are right Cabin, he hasn't been asked, this is all purely based on speculation, rumour and betting odds.
I don't think he is going anywhere soon and like yourself I would be confident of a long queue of quality for any vacancy.
Either way as you said, there is nothing to worry about.
Peter Ward to become the next Brighton manager 120/1
rolivan
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12:39pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Billyboyarnold wrote:You didn't mention Agents they are the biggest problem, always stirring the pot.Gus has said that if a Special club came in then He would have to consider it.You can't expect Him to make a statement everyday about speculation.I am sure He has a busy enough time trying to improve the squad.
I am getting bored to tears with all this, why can't Gus just come out and say I am going nowhere, my contract is at Brighton and that is where I am staying, end of. There is no loyalty these days, Chairman, Managers, Players they are all in it for the money, the fans are the only loyal ones and they are the ones to suffer at the end of the day. Ir really pi**es me off.
Hovite
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1:06pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Billyboyarnold wrote:It may be more to do with Tony Bloom always being open to a decent offer for Gus. If the right offer came in he may tell Gus to move on, so I am sure it works both ways.
I am getting bored to tears with all this, why can't Gus just come out and say I am going nowhere, my contract is at Brighton and that is where I am staying, end of. There is no loyalty these days, Chairman, Managers, Players they are all in it for the money, the fans are the only loyal ones and they are the ones to suffer at the end of the day. Ir really pi**es me off.
We haven't even had an offer to turn down yet, let alone a serious one. Though this may have been different if we didn't drop out of the playoffs.
I'd like to see the betting odds of him staying, would probably be about 100/99.99?
Hovite
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1:35pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Cabin fever wrote:It mentions in this article that he was offered the Swansea job before Rogers.
Hovite wrote:No, I meant in 2010 he wasn't offered the job. Could be wrong though...
Yep you are right Cabin, he hasn't been asked, this is all purely based on speculation, rumour and betting odds.
I don't think he is going anywhere soon and like yourself I would be confident of a long queue of quality for any vacancy.
Either way as you said, there is nothing to worry about.
Peter Ward to become the next Brighton manager 120/1
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/sport/footb
all/premier-league/s
wansea-begin-search-
for-new-manager-7808
134.html
To be fair to Gus most would have taken the Swansea job, just to avoid the Withdean for 2 seasons, so I wouldn't doubt his real commitment to the project.
Hovite
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1:44pm Fri 1 Jun 12
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co.uk/football/2009/
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Billyboyarnold
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2:37pm Fri 1 Jun 12
rolivan wrote:Excellent point, "Agents" are the curse of the modern game, are these players thick or what, do they really need an outside party to discuss their wages etc and talk on their behalf, why can't they speak for themselves. If all Managers got together and agreed NOT to discuss anything with an agent, we could get back to some normality in the game.When you get a job you don't get a 3rd party in to discuss your salary and conditions. Brighton Bill Yorkshire Seagull and loyal fan since 1961. And I haven't got anybody else to write this on my behalf.
Billyboyarnold wrote:You didn't mention Agents they are the biggest problem, always stirring the pot.Gus has said that if a Special club came in then He would have to consider it.You can't expect Him to make a statement everyday about speculation.I am sure He has a busy enough time trying to improve the squad.
I am getting bored to tears with all this, why can't Gus just come out and say I am going nowhere, my contract is at Brighton and that is where I am staying, end of. There is no loyalty these days, Chairman, Managers, Players they are all in it for the money, the fans are the only loyal ones and they are the ones to suffer at the end of the day. Ir really pi**es me off.
Cabin fever
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3:11pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Hovite wrote:Hmmm, not so sure he was actually offered the job though. May have been interviewed, but that story is a bit vague.
Cabin fever wrote:It mentions in this article that he was offered the Swansea job before Rogers.
Hovite wrote:No, I meant in 2010 he wasn't offered the job. Could be wrong though...
Yep you are right Cabin, he hasn't been asked, this is all purely based on speculation, rumour and betting odds.
I don't think he is going anywhere soon and like yourself I would be confident of a long queue of quality for any vacancy.
Either way as you said, there is nothing to worry about.
Peter Ward to become the next Brighton manager 120/1
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/sport/footb
all/premier-league/s
wansea-begin-search-
for-new-manager-7808
134.html
To be fair to Gus most would have taken the Swansea job, just to avoid the Withdean for 2 seasons, so I wouldn't doubt his real commitment to the project.
Nice selective use of Gus' quotes about the future, too in that piece. You can see how some things are 'taken out of context' in the press, because that wasn't really the gist of the interview he gave at all...
I don't doubt his commitment either - he might talk a lot, but what he does say seems to be pretty honest.
rolivan
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3:16pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Billyboyarnold wrote:1961 just a few years before me then Bill.Do You remember Dave Armstrong the Winger very very fast always makes me laugh when I think of him tearing down the wing often leaving the ball behind.
rolivan wrote:Excellent point, "Agents" are the curse of the modern game, are these players thick or what, do they really need an outside party to discuss their wages etc and talk on their behalf, why can't they speak for themselves. If all Managers got together and agreed NOT to discuss anything with an agent, we could get back to some normality in the game.When you get a job you don't get a 3rd party in to discuss your salary and conditions. Brighton Bill Yorkshire Seagull and loyal fan since 1961. And I haven't got anybody else to write this on my behalf.
Billyboyarnold wrote:You didn't mention Agents they are the biggest problem, always stirring the pot.Gus has said that if a Special club came in then He would have to consider it.You can't expect Him to make a statement everyday about speculation.I am sure He has a busy enough time trying to improve the squad.
I am getting bored to tears with all this, why can't Gus just come out and say I am going nowhere, my contract is at Brighton and that is where I am staying, end of. There is no loyalty these days, Chairman, Managers, Players they are all in it for the money, the fans are the only loyal ones and they are the ones to suffer at the end of the day. Ir really pi**es me off.
Billyboyarnold
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3:30pm Fri 1 Jun 12
AmexicanWave
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3:32pm Fri 1 Jun 12
lavenderman wrote:There is nothing arrogant about reality. Our status/setup is rapidly becoming one of the best in the country, and this is already recognised throughout football.
get real seagulls fans....BHA are a middling championship side, and have only just arrived at that status. Swansea are a mid table premier side....such unearned arrogance!
Your comment snaps of jealousy, and there is nothing worse than that.
Hovite
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3:33pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Give all the players a basic £2k per week with a £1k bonus for getting into the match squad.
£100 for every time they win the ball, -£100 for losing it, £50 for every completed pass, £50 for dribbling past each player, -£50 for a bad cross and £75 for a good one.
£500 for everyone involved from start to finish when a goal is scored, -£500 for anyone involved in conceeding a goal.
Goal line clearance and saves £750. Own goals -£1000, £10 per mile they run.
I think doing it this way everyone would earn what they deserve. Obviously different bonus wages at individual clubs, but every player at a specific club would be on an equal pay scheme.
What do you think? ;o)
Billyboyarnold
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3:38pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Hovite wrote:Sounds great, I wouldn't like to have to work it all out though.
Wages should be based on performance.
Give all the players a basic £2k per week with a £1k bonus for getting into the match squad.
£100 for every time they win the ball, -£100 for losing it, £50 for every completed pass, £50 for dribbling past each player, -£50 for a bad cross and £75 for a good one.
£500 for everyone involved from start to finish when a goal is scored, -£500 for anyone involved in conceeding a goal.
Goal line clearance and saves £750. Own goals -£1000, £10 per mile they run.
I think doing it this way everyone would earn what they deserve. Obviously different bonus wages at individual clubs, but every player at a specific club would be on an equal pay scheme.
What do you think? ;o)
hubby
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7:39pm Fri 1 Jun 12
seagull31
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7:53pm Fri 1 Jun 12
Hovite wrote:Ridiculous idea! Presume you are joking!
Wages should be based on performance.
Give all the players a basic £2k per week with a £1k bonus for getting into the match squad.
£100 for every time they win the ball, -£100 for losing it, £50 for every completed pass, £50 for dribbling past each player, -£50 for a bad cross and £75 for a good one.
£500 for everyone involved from start to finish when a goal is scored, -£500 for anyone involved in conceeding a goal.
Goal line clearance and saves £750. Own goals -£1000, £10 per mile they run.
I think doing it this way everyone would earn what they deserve. Obviously different bonus wages at individual clubs, but every player at a specific club would be on an equal pay scheme.
What do you think? ;o)
Hovite
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8:36pm Fri 1 Jun 12
gordongull
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9:29pm Fri 1 Jun 12
The more difficult the win, the more players will earn.
The disincentive to lose is obvious!
Hovite
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10:10pm Fri 1 Jun 12
mickeymonkeyman
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4:39am Sat 2 Jun 12
%of you are a total disgrace to your proffesion.
Cabin fever
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6:31am Sat 2 Jun 12
mickeymonkeyman wrote:Wow! This has got to be post of the YEAR.
only 3 players worth watchingnaymar roaldo and messi,10 times better than any other players now,and there on 100,000k a week,miss penaltys fall over like ballet dancers,and get other players sent of,any teamin the top 6 premier would beat england,how many english players have played abroad in 20years about 5,all teams in spain are spanish and same in italy,we invented the game now were lucky to be inthe top 100,shmbolic,id rather watch girls playing net ball,when i broke my knee tibia and fibia i just got of my backside walked to my car,and had the operation,these prats to day idiots today roll over and overover,cheating,90
%of you are a total disgrace to your proffesion.
Who'd have thought, all the teams in Spain are Spanish?
This 'Roaldo' sounds like he could do a job though...
dave from bexill
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8:37am Sat 2 Jun 12
mickeymonkeyman
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4:58am Sun 3 Jun 12
Hovite
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11:37am Sun 3 Jun 12
Captain Haddock
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4:38am Mon 4 Jun 12
Mickeymonkeyman: you are just mad!
portsladepete
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9:12pm Wed 6 Jun 12
Alan G Skinner wrote:Agree - Albion are still on the way up, Swansea have probably got as far as they can
Swansea are a terrific little club, with some really good people. However, Brighton are already a larger and superior Football Club, with extraordinary potential to grow and become a genuine Premiership heavyweight, with respect, Swansea do not. I imagine Gus would be decidedly underwhelmed at the prospect of joining Swansea and I’m sure he is more excited about continuing our project at Brighton. As has been stated on countless occasions, it would take something “very special” for Gus to leave the Albion and I’m afraid Swansea fall well short of that stature.

Yogi says...
1:52pm Thu 31 May 12