Vicente wants to talk it over (From The Argus)
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Vicente wants to talk it over
10:30am Thursday 28th June 2012 in Sport By Brian Owen
No deal: Albion have been unable to agree a new contract with Vicente
Albion could be on collision course with Vicente and his agents after tying down the Spanish star for another year at The Amex.
Victor Oñate, director general of Vicente’s management company in Valencia, flew to London yesterday seeking discussions over the player’s future.
Oñate plans to meet club officials today.
Albion have been in negotiations with Vicente in recent weeks over a new contract.
However they announced on Tuesday evening they were activating a clause allowing them to extend his current deal by a year until June 30, 2013.
Vicente’s representatives have so far opted not to issue any comment on their player’s future.
However Argus sources in Spain understand the player was unhappy with the club’s decision to activate the clause and is keen to clarify various issues.
The player’s return to full fitness and impressive form last term with the Seagulls caught the eyes of other clubs, including two second tier outfits near Valencia.
Seagulls boss Gus Poyet has told The Argus he expects to see Vicente back at training on Monday.
He has described the decision to invoke the clause given that Albion were still unable to agree a new deal as “common sense”.
Meanwhile the Seagulls remain close to making further signings with Poyet set to add at least three players, including a left-back, to his squad.
Comments(80)
7Rookie
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10:48am Thu 28 Jun 12
DC Hove
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10:50am Thu 28 Jun 12
markymark03
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10:52am Thu 28 Jun 12
DC Hove wrote:If Vicente can't agree a contract then let him go. Gus will find someone else who can help us reach the play offs. Theres no point trying to keep a stray cat if it prefers the more expensive food next door
Its never dull! Instead of everyone getting round up - just take it as it comes! This is all part of modern day footy with 24hr media (I remember not even 15yrs ago not having a clue about who is going where/whos agent wants what etc. This is now part of the ride. Remember the club is bigger (considerably bigger now) than any one player... We have a knack of unearthing "gems" so if vicente is not to be - another will appear. It just seems we are now unearthing continental, world beating gems - and not the likes of johnny crumplin football genius (a gem from 20 yrs ago!) Stop fretting and get behind whoever pulls on the blue and white jersey..
Albion fan in London
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10:54am Thu 28 Jun 12
Alan G Skinner
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10:56am Thu 28 Jun 12
fretlessbass
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11:00am Thu 28 Jun 12
Sheil C.B.
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11:02am Thu 28 Jun 12
Gee Jay
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11:03am Thu 28 Jun 12
Depress me some more why don't you!
I'm sure Vincente just wants the whole thing sorted, his agents are only likely to unsettle him.
Ripe seagull.
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11:03am Thu 28 Jun 12
Alan G Skinner wrote:Exactly!
Forgeting about the "Gentlemans agreements and how we dont want players who don't want to be here etc etc etc", when Vicente and his advisors signed his deal and the clubs retention option what did they think would happen. As far as i can see a legal agreement was reached and Brighton are absolutely entitled to retain Vicente for 2012/13. I'm guessing Villarreal and Elche were not desperate for his services during his injury problems. While i would love to see a willing Vicente play for us next season, if he wants to go and clubs in Spain are queuing for his signature, no problem, but we are entitled to compensation, significant compensation. Lets see if Villarreal and Elche are so keen to sign Vicente when they are quoted £4m.
Neville
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11:04am Thu 28 Jun 12
SMF20
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11:08am Thu 28 Jun 12
Ripe seagull. wrote:Ill third this. He was was happy to agree to this last year, we were happy to agree to this last year. It could have gone the other way..... Vicente, do the decent thing please, i doubt Gus will stop you going if its what you want but please us allow us to recieve a denserved for for you after all we have done for you.
Alan G Skinner wrote:Exactly!
Forgeting about the "Gentlemans agreements and how we dont want players who don't want to be here etc etc etc", when Vicente and his advisors signed his deal and the clubs retention option what did they think would happen. As far as i can see a legal agreement was reached and Brighton are absolutely entitled to retain Vicente for 2012/13. I'm guessing Villarreal and Elche were not desperate for his services during his injury problems. While i would love to see a willing Vicente play for us next season, if he wants to go and clubs in Spain are queuing for his signature, no problem, but we are entitled to compensation, significant compensation. Lets see if Villarreal and Elche are so keen to sign Vicente when they are quoted £4m.
Rhodes Seagull
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11:08am Thu 28 Jun 12
sidtheseagull
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11:09am Thu 28 Jun 12
Bostik
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11:12am Thu 28 Jun 12
DC Hove
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11:17am Thu 28 Jun 12
Strange thing about spain is they have high expectations of team (who usually deliver!) The fans are passionate (as are ours) and when they have flags on cars/in windows etc it doesn't look chavvy (as it does here!) Strange.
Anyhow.. The Argus/bha fc are certainly having the desired results.. They want us to talk and speculate as any news is good for club/paper. I can not see that if vicente does go elsewhere - how that is bad for us - we will be due some money! Again - sensible management. To be honest - if it wasn't for friends family bhafc (and I suppose job) I would choose spain over brighton (incidently all my reasons for staying in brighton area are exactly the same reasons vicente would prefer to stay in spain)
rolivan
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11:55am Thu 28 Jun 12
rolivan
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12:06pm Thu 28 Jun 12
rolivan wrote:There is a joke in there somewhere but I can't remember it.It is something to do with Scum sucking bottom dwellers.
It is His AGENTS who are coming to Londonto speak to the club not Vicente.
Tommy from the Amex
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12:11pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Captain Haddock
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12:14pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Alan G Skinner wrote:Don't know what figure I'd put on him but you've otherwise posted exactly what I was about to.
Forgeting about the "Gentlemans agreements and how we dont want players who don't want to be here etc etc etc", when Vicente and his advisors signed his deal and the clubs retention option what did they think would happen. As far as i can see a legal agreement was reached and Brighton are absolutely entitled to retain Vicente for 2012/13. I'm guessing Villarreal and Elche were not desperate for his services during his injury problems. While i would love to see a willing Vicente play for us next season, if he wants to go and clubs in Spain are queuing for his signature, no problem, but we are entitled to compensation, significant compensation. Lets see if Villarreal and Elche are so keen to sign Vicente when they are quoted £4m.
farside
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12:30pm Thu 28 Jun 12
cybergu11y
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12:43pm Thu 28 Jun 12
farside wrote:Quality post, had me laughing all the way to the building society!!!!
What's the euro exchange rate today or would we be better waiting before agreeing a transfer fee? Somone give the bank a call for best advice.....oh. Hang on.............
Locky
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12:49pm Thu 28 Jun 12
If he goes then fine but lets invest any monies obtained into a player who wants to be here.
BZ on loan would be my first choice :)
Baldseagull
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1:02pm Thu 28 Jun 12
rolivan wrote:Gus says it is common sense to invoke the clause, I agree.
rolivan wrote:There is a joke in there somewhere but I can't remember it.It is something to do with Scum sucking bottom dwellers.
It is His AGENTS who are coming to Londonto speak to the club not Vicente.
But what sort of sense was it to publicly state that we would not invoke the clause, at the end of last season, and allow Vicente to walk if he wanted to?
tandseagalsamantha
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1:03pm Thu 28 Jun 12
pte
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1:24pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Rather crafty I would say. If Vinnie leaves, BHA get a fee which also means Vinnie's next club will only be able to offer less money because of the fee. So Vinnie cant get more money by leaving so he might as well stay if BHA dont withdraw the increased offer. Cute
mark5
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1:34pm Thu 28 Jun 12
tandseagalsamantha wrote:My feelings about Vicente have been well documented on here and it was me who perpetuated the "Hologram" theory about him last year which caused some outrage among some on here as well as plenty of amusement which was the intended reaction. I always believed that he came here to get himself fit and play the minimum amount of football which would get him back in the public eye again, which he did with great conviction at the latter end of the season. He is a class act without doubt, but has an ego to match and like most footballers is a "Journeyman" who will follow the money. I am sure some fans will feel particularly aggrieved if he moves on and may well be a little hostile towards him if he plays against us in the future. The majority, like myself, will accept that this, sadly perhaps, is the modern game and move on to get excited about the next "star" to grace the Amex turf! UTA forever.............
I would be interested in our fans reaction to Vincente now he is playing the usual pre-madonna role that most talented players do, thought he was different and thats why we took to him as much as his brilliance and why we tolerated his 'injures' dont think we would be so tolerant if it happened this season, any thoughts?
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Baldseagull
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1:37pm Thu 28 Jun 12
tandseagalsamantha wrote:Is pre-madonna the era when Dianna Ross was the queen of pop?
I would be interested in our fans reaction to Vincente now he is playing the usual pre-madonna role that most talented players do, thought he was different and thats why we took to him as much as his brilliance and why we tolerated his 'injures' dont think we would be so tolerant if it happened this season, any thoughts?
pte
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1:41pm Thu 28 Jun 12
pte
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1:44pm Thu 28 Jun 12
graham w
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1:54pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Dave in Hastings
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2:01pm Thu 28 Jun 12
tandseagalsamantha wrote:Don't think it will be an issue with the fans if he stays. Remember all the fuss over Calde and stains? And now the man is already a seagulls legend.
I would be interested in our fans reaction to Vincente now he is playing the usual pre-madonna role that most talented players do, thought he was different and thats why we took to him as much as his brilliance and why we tolerated his 'injures' dont think we would be so tolerant if it happened this season, any thoughts?
mikeygit
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2:03pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Baldseagull
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2:07pm Thu 28 Jun 12
mark5 wrote:Way off the mark to label Vicente a "Journeyman".
tandseagalsamantha wrote:My feelings about Vicente have been well documented on here and it was me who perpetuated the "Hologram" theory about him last year which caused some outrage among some on here as well as plenty of amusement which was the intended reaction. I always believed that he came here to get himself fit and play the minimum amount of football which would get him back in the public eye again, which he did with great conviction at the latter end of the season. He is a class act without doubt, but has an ego to match and like most footballers is a "Journeyman" who will follow the money. I am sure some fans will feel particularly aggrieved if he moves on and may well be a little hostile towards him if he plays against us in the future. The majority, like myself, will accept that this, sadly perhaps, is the modern game and move on to get excited about the next "star" to grace the Amex turf! UTA forever.............
I would be interested in our fans reaction to Vincente now he is playing the usual pre-madonna role that most talented players do, thought he was different and thats why we took to him as much as his brilliance and why we tolerated his 'injures' dont think we would be so tolerant if it happened this season, any thoughts?
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He has had three clubs, including us, in 15 years.
In the eleven years at Valencia, he turned down a move to Real Madrid, which I am sure would have been financially beneficial to him.
Yes, he rates himself and probably has a big ego, but who wouldn't with his ability?
MrHove
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2:13pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Vicente should have been honest from the end of last season and told Gus that he didnt want to stay, that way Gus probably would have had a few more weeks to find a suitable replacement, i think Gus will learn from this and in future will not be the nice guy by saying that we wont play the trump card in taking up the 1 year extension.
Rhodes Seagull
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2:18pm Thu 28 Jun 12
SMF20
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2:39pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Just been sat with Gordon Greer in a Barbers in town chatting. He said that Bhafc believe there is a clause in the contract signed last year giving the 1 year extension option and Vicente believes this is not the case. Gordon and the rest of the players are NOT expecting him to return but they are hoping he will.
DC Hove
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2:44pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Alan G Skinner
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2:44pm Thu 28 Jun 12
rusty dave
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3:06pm Thu 28 Jun 12
fretlessbass wrote:Couldn't agree with you more. I don't know exactly - but my gut feeling is as a team we got more points without Vicente than with him - any one know the exact amount ?????????????
Just give us some decent dosh for him and he can stay in Spain. The reality is that he's not match fit for large parts of the season and there are more consistent performers who could come to the club and contribute more to the club's push for premier league football.
bruce beckett
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3:22pm Thu 28 Jun 12
ballantrrae
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3:25pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Albion fan in London wrote:Rolivan's one word posting AGENTS on another thread summed it all up.
Didnt see that one coming did we !! If he was undecided and we forced his hand there can be no surprise to this reaction. Granted a talent no doubt but we surely want a player to play for us if he 1000% wants to pull on the famous blue and white jersey. It was hinted GP was building the team round Vincente according to the argus if true what IF he plays less than last season? Agents should be banned in football in my opinion!
For Agent in this case read Management company - they have to be seen to be doing something to justify their fees.
Whilst from a football playing perspective I hope that Vicente stays ultimately I agree with other posters that he should only do so if he really wants to be part of Albion's future.
Finally I think the club were right to force the issue as there was no point in letting the situation drift past 30 June when he would have been out of contract with all that that implies.
I'll be interested in seeing who the other signings are. I wonder if the young Arsenal lad Miquel might be the left back referred to in this report.
markymark03
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3:25pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Sorry I wanted to put something positive on!
Tony the tiger eastbourne
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3:35pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Tony the tiger eastbourne
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3:49pm Thu 28 Jun 12
rolivan
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3:54pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Tony the tiger eastbourne wrote:This is a forum for making comment as long as it is clean there is no harm done.We are not in CHINA.
Stop all this will he won't he saga, if he comes back to us, brilliant, if not so be it!! There's to many people putting in their opinion without knowing the truth.
pte
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3:55pm Thu 28 Jun 12
MrHove wrote:You shouldnt assume that Vinnie wants to leave. He may want to stay but get the best deal from the club he can get. There are financial negotiations taking place. Invoking the option is a means of limiting the offers that vinnie might get elsewhere which his agents were using as a bargaining chip. This makes the clubs current offer more attractive
The only shocking thing about this whole saga is that its still ongoing.
Vicente should have been honest from the end of last season and told Gus that he didnt want to stay, that way Gus probably would have had a few more weeks to find a suitable replacement, i think Gus will learn from this and in future will not be the nice guy by saying that we wont play the trump card in taking up the 1 year extension.
championshipgull
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4:22pm Thu 28 Jun 12
MarkBrighton
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4:42pm Thu 28 Jun 12
I've just been sat having my nails done with Charlie Oatway and he told me Vicente wants to actually marry Gus Poyet, but theyre stuck on the prenuptial agreement.. Evidently he wants the whole team to talk only in Spanish and eat Tapas at half time.. instead of our pies! Charlie says they are close to an agreement and is 100% positive Vicente will be somewhere in Europe next season.
Dr Baldhead
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4:46pm Thu 28 Jun 12
SMF20 wrote:Was Gordon having a trim or was he being measured up for a toupee to cover that patch that those of us in WSU have seen increasing over the last year??
NEWS FLASH. THE TRUTH.
Just been sat with Gordon Greer in a Barbers in town chatting. He said that Bhafc believe there is a clause in the contract signed last year giving the 1 year extension option and Vicente believes this is not the case. Gordon and the rest of the players are NOT expecting him to return but they are hoping he will.
Baldseagull
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5:18pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Yogi
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5:25pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Be a shame if he goes but the club is bigger than any player for sure.
Hope he stays and takes us to a higher level.
SMF20
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5:41pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Dr Baldhead wrote:He was having a trim. Take it as you want but this has come from the club captain.
SMF20 wrote:Was Gordon having a trim or was he being measured up for a toupee to cover that patch that those of us in WSU have seen increasing over the last year??
NEWS FLASH. THE TRUTH.
Just been sat with Gordon Greer in a Barbers in town chatting. He said that Bhafc believe there is a clause in the contract signed last year giving the 1 year extension option and Vicente believes this is not the case. Gordon and the rest of the players are NOT expecting him to return but they are hoping he will.
Never_Wrong
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5:55pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Dr Baldhead
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6:08pm Thu 28 Jun 12
SMF20 wrote:He's a show off. Flaunting what hair he has left to those less fortunate!!
Dr Baldhead wrote:He was having a trim. Take it as you want but this has come from the club captain.
SMF20 wrote:Was Gordon having a trim or was he being measured up for a toupee to cover that patch that those of us in WSU have seen increasing over the last year??
NEWS FLASH. THE TRUTH.
Just been sat with Gordon Greer in a Barbers in town chatting. He said that Bhafc believe there is a clause in the contract signed last year giving the 1 year extension option and Vicente believes this is not the case. Gordon and the rest of the players are NOT expecting him to return but they are hoping he will.
Southwick seagull
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6:23pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Southwick seagull
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6:24pm Thu 28 Jun 12
golddene
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6:35pm Thu 28 Jun 12
Ringmer Rich
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6:42pm Thu 28 Jun 12
dave from bexill
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6:54pm Thu 28 Jun 12
MarkBrighton wrote:At last, we're getting ever nearer the truth.
THE REAL TRUTH.
I've just been sat having my nails done with Charlie Oatway and he told me Vicente wants to actually marry Gus Poyet, but theyre stuck on the prenuptial agreement.. Evidently he wants the whole team to talk only in Spanish and eat Tapas at half time.. instead of our pies! Charlie says they are close to an agreement and is 100% positive Vicente will be somewhere in Europe next season.
On a more football matter, why do people keep saying Vicente owes us? It suited all parties last season to have him at the club and I for one got so much pleasure out of watching his genuine quality that I was glad to help pay his wages. Whatever happens over the coming weeks/months, I believe the club will be worse off if he's not here, but what will be will be.
Vince
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7:51pm Thu 28 Jun 12
everagull
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8:04pm Thu 28 Jun 12
namgo49
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9:27pm Thu 28 Jun 12
The club should have no wish to keep an unhappy plaer as this is very much against GP's stated philosphy, hence the talks.
A low value buy out of his contract on the cards, methinks.
mikeygit
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9:53pm Thu 28 Jun 12
SMF20
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10:13pm Thu 28 Jun 12
championshipgull
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10:28pm Thu 28 Jun 12
http://www.vosmarket
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and notice that he also represents the Villarreal manager; also Elche is only about 40 mins from his office. So the people who think it’s the agents is spreading unrest could be right given the earlier rumours.
Big Fat Seagull
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11:25pm Thu 28 Jun 12
pte
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12:24am Fri 29 Jun 12
Southwick seagull wrote:FFS whats he doing having a baby? He still a Brighton player and should be giving his all to the club
Let's cut the guy some slack. His wife's just had a baby and he will be under enormous pressure to stay in Spain close to family. His first priority is unlikely to be BHA. If he decides to stay with us that's great, if he decides that his future lies in Spain that would be entirely understandable. The time to get twitchy is if he goes to another club in the Championship - that would be cause for discontent.
Vince
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1:36am Fri 29 Jun 12
Yes, his ball skills and dribbling were truly amazing to behold, but him playing for us was always going to be a short-lived affair, as he obviously considers he is too good for us.
We will miss his undoubted skills, but not for long.
thewhitehawker
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9:14am Fri 29 Jun 12
mikeygit
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9:40am Fri 29 Jun 12
Gee Jay
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10:40am Fri 29 Jun 12
(See stadium gallery pic of the day)
Rhodes Seagull
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11:19am Fri 29 Jun 12
the taffster
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11:24am Fri 29 Jun 12
Southwick seagull
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11:29am Fri 29 Jun 12
pte wrote:LOL - quite right! Should obviously have been a celibacy clause in the contract. Come on Gus, let's get these agreements properly tied up to avoid these problems in the future.
Southwick seagull wrote: Let's cut the guy some slack. His wife's just had a baby and he will be under enormous pressure to stay in Spain close to family. His first priority is unlikely to be BHA. If he decides to stay with us that's great, if he decides that his future lies in Spain that would be entirely understandable. The time to get twitchy is if he goes to another club in the Championship - that would be cause for discontent.FFS whats he doing having a baby? He still a Brighton player and should be giving his all to the club
dave from bexill
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12:18pm Fri 29 Jun 12
Stripes
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1:36pm Fri 29 Jun 12
the taffster wrote:100% this.
why all the negativity?the guy is spanish,living in spain.his wife has just had a baby.he wants to be with his family in spain playing for a spanish club.whats the big deal.anyone in his shoes would do the same.enjoy it while it lasted.it was a privelege to have him at the amex.life goes on.
Captain Haddock
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2:45pm Fri 29 Jun 12
Vince wrote:My ball skills and dribbling are also truly amazing to behold, though I'm rubbish at football!
IMHO Vicente is not a team player. He's a one-man show at our level, who will always shoot rather than pass after one of his mazy dribbles. Apart from one game when he scored twice, he missed far more scoring opportunities than he scored, which is part of the reason why we failed to win most of the games he played in. Yes, his ball skills and dribbling were truly amazing to behold, but him playing for us was always going to be a short-lived affair, as he obviously considers he is too good for us. We will miss his undoubted skills, but not for long.
dave from bexill
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2:53pm Fri 29 Jun 12
Captain Haddock wrote:Now that is funny
Vince wrote:My ball skills and dribbling are also truly amazing to behold, though I'm rubbish at football!
IMHO Vicente is not a team player. He's a one-man show at our level, who will always shoot rather than pass after one of his mazy dribbles. Apart from one game when he scored twice, he missed far more scoring opportunities than he scored, which is part of the reason why we failed to win most of the games he played in. Yes, his ball skills and dribbling were truly amazing to behold, but him playing for us was always going to be a short-lived affair, as he obviously considers he is too good for us. We will miss his undoubted skills, but not for long.
Captain Haddock
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2:56pm Fri 29 Jun 12
dave from bexill wrote:Oh you've seen the spectacle then?!
Captain Haddock wrote:Now that is funnyVince wrote: IMHO Vicente is not a team player. He's a one-man show at our level, who will always shoot rather than pass after one of his mazy dribbles. Apart from one game when he scored twice, he missed far more scoring opportunities than he scored, which is part of the reason why we failed to win most of the games he played in. Yes, his ball skills and dribbling were truly amazing to behold, but him playing for us was always going to be a short-lived affair, as he obviously considers he is too good for us. We will miss his undoubted skills, but not for long.My ball skills and dribbling are also truly amazing to behold, though I'm rubbish at football!
;0)
DC Hove says...
10:46am Thu 28 Jun 12
This is now part of the ride. Remember the club is bigger (considerably bigger now) than any one player... We have a knack of unearthing "gems" so if vicente is not to be - another will appear. It just seems we are now unearthing continental, world beating gems - and not the likes of johnny crumplin football genius (a gem from 20 yrs ago!) Stop fretting and get behind whoever pulls on the blue and white jersey..