Agent says Vicente will miss training (From The Argus)

Ripe seagull. wrote:
Surprise, surprise! But that's funny, I thought his contract was sorted when he signed last year enabling us to renew for another year. How can he turn down a deal he has already signed?

Carlas mum wrote:
So Vicente will not be training with Brighton, that's fine if he doesn't want to go to work, stop his wages and hold on to his registration for the year, that'll sort him out. The next diva might think twice about coming to the Albion.

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
Can we please move on to a report that is fresh a report about someone who IS coming to play for the Albion, this story is now inside back page stuff, I now for one don't care what Vicente does he is no longer or so it seems a part of B&HA FC, so MOVE ON PLEASE!!!!!

pte wrote:
The agent says he won't report back till the contract dispute has been settled. I take that to mean they are still negotiating the new terms or the existing terms so there's still a possibility of him staying. It would be ridiculous the agent talking about when Rodders returns if he wants to go to Elche

Hovite wrote:

pte wrote:
The agent says he won't report back till the contract dispute has been settled. I take that to mean they are still negotiating the new terms or the existing terms so there's still a possibility of him staying. It would be ridiculous the agent talking about when Rodders returns if he wants to go to Elche

That's the way I read it pte.

II don't understand all the "we will only respect you if you stay" comments.

No need to get the Daggers out folks, even if he does leave.

These Argus stories and headlines are deliberately written to be interprited in more than one way.

I very much doubt he would read these Argus comments, but if he did why would he want to play for a fickle bunch of fans who just wants to send him to the lions, all because his wife wants him to stay in Spain with the new baby.

Loyalty works both ways you know!

Hovite wrote:

pte wrote:
The agent says he won't report back till the contract dispute has been settled. I take that to mean they are still negotiating the new terms or the existing terms so there's still a possibility of him staying. It would be ridiculous the agent talking about when Rodders returns if he wants to go to Elche

That's the way I read it pte.

II don't understand all the "we will only respect you if you stay" comments.

No need to get the Daggers out folks, even if he does leave.

These Argus stories and headlines are deliberately written to be interprited in more than one way.

I very much doubt he would read these Argus comments, but if he did why would he want to play for a fickle bunch of fans who just wants to send him to the lions, all because his wife wants him to stay in Spain with the new baby.

Loyalty works both ways you know!

Hovite wrote:
I don't think she was pregnant then tug509.

Albion fan in London wrote:

Hovite wrote:

pte wrote:
The agent says he won't report back till the contract dispute has been settled. I take that to mean they are still negotiating the new terms or the existing terms so there's still a possibility of him staying. It would be ridiculous the agent talking about when Rodders returns if he wants to go to Elche

That's the way I read it pte.

II don't understand all the "we will only respect you if you stay" comments.

No need to get the Daggers out folks, even if he does leave.

These Argus stories and headlines are deliberately written to be interprited in more than one way.

I very much doubt he would read these Argus comments, but if he did why would he want to play for a fickle bunch of fans who just wants to send him to the lions, all because his wife wants him to stay in Spain with the new baby.

Loyalty works both ways you know!

Hovite, do you speak for yourself when you talk about fickle fans because tbh there is not a difficult decision to be made here the season finished in May there is plenty of time to decide where to play. The prolonged stories from the argus is not helping but we should have a say and tbh im with everyone else on the frustration front, if he doesnt or cant commit lets move on.

the taffster wrote:
we once had a player from spain,who became a bit of a pain.his agent turned funny.demanding more money and now he wont even train.

magoo wrote:
£300,000 per year in wages must be wrong lol. Equates to just over 6K a week. I'm really saddened though that he has decided to act like this. He was on the scrap heap when took a chance and took him on. Now our physicians are getting 90 minutes out of him again and he wants to repay the club by walking.

Captain Haddock wrote:

the taffster wrote: we once had a player from spain,who became a bit of a pain.his agent turned funny.demanding more money and now he wont even train.

Boom tish! Very good.

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:

the taffster wrote: we once had a player from spain,who became a bit of a pain.his agent turned funny.demanding more money and now he wont even train.

Boom tish! Very good.

There once was a manager named Gus Whose pronouncements created such a fuss They told him look here Keep brain and mouth well in gear Or soon there may be no Gus Bus

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
In one sense it's admirable that Gus is allowed so much freedom to comment on a wide range of club stuff, but in this case it's led to another own goal by Albion. I imagine Gus has now been told very firmly that next time he feels inclined to make public pronouncements about potentially sensitive contract issues he must keep his mouth firmly shut...

This is a mess Albion can't win. Having publicly declared Vicente could make up his own mind whether he stayed, a good lawyer could tie them up for months with all sorts of legal arguements - justifiably I reckon. Brighton will not get much from this situation other than the management having learned a lesson (I hope)...

Claude Back wrote:

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
In one sense it's admirable that Gus is allowed so much freedom to comment on a wide range of club stuff, but in this case it's led to another own goal by Albion. I imagine Gus has now been told very firmly that next time he feels inclined to make public pronouncements about potentially sensitive contract issues he must keep his mouth firmly shut...

This is a mess Albion can't win. Having publicly declared Vicente could make up his own mind whether he stayed, a good lawyer could tie them up for months with all sorts of legal arguements - justifiably I reckon. Brighton will not get much from this situation other than the management having learned a lesson (I hope)...

Actually, Willie, the verbal comment by Gus won't affect anything unless Gus was acting solely as the club's spokesman, which I doubt. It was just a personal comment and should not affect a contract which to be binding has several conditions to fulfill. Inter alia, they are offer, acceptance, consideration (ie payment) consensus ad idem (being of the same mind) and also not be ultra vires, which means outside the power of the person to grant. I doubt Gus had such power, so what Gus said to a journalist will be largely irrelevant in my opinion. I can see why you might have been attracted by a counter argument but I am not persuaded by it. Hope that helps.

Captain Haddock wrote:

Claude Back wrote:

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
In one sense it's admirable that Gus is allowed so much freedom to comment on a wide range of club stuff, but in this case it's led to another own goal by Albion. I imagine Gus has now been told very firmly that next time he feels inclined to make public pronouncements about potentially sensitive contract issues he must keep his mouth firmly shut...

This is a mess Albion can't win. Having publicly declared Vicente could make up his own mind whether he stayed, a good lawyer could tie them up for months with all sorts of legal arguements - justifiably I reckon. Brighton will not get much from this situation other than the management having learned a lesson (I hope)...

Actually, Willie, the verbal comment by Gus won't affect anything unless Gus was acting solely as the club's spokesman, which I doubt. It was just a personal comment and should not affect a contract which to be binding has several conditions to fulfill. Inter alia, they are offer, acceptance, consideration (ie payment) consensus ad idem (being of the same mind) and also not be ultra vires, which means outside the power of the person to grant. I doubt Gus had such power, so what Gus said to a journalist will be largely irrelevant in my opinion. I can see why you might have been attracted by a counter argument but I am not persuaded by it. Hope that helps.

Despite itself, that does make sense to me....and is reassuring. Confirms my suspicion that verbal promises in isolation count for nothing (which I believe is what you are saying).

HOVEPARKRESIDENT wrote:
Oh dear, oh deary deary me. I do believe your'e not singing any more!

Yogi wrote:
YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!

Alan G Skinner wrote:
He is under contract, we should stick to our guns. He should return immediately or we simply fine him (don't pay him) and withhold his registration. This sought of behaviour particularly given the economic situation in the UK but particularly Spain is abhorrent, people are losing their jobs, their homes and you have individuals in extremely fortunate positions behaving like this, it’s obscene.

Claude Back wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:

Claude Back wrote:

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote: In one sense it's admirable that Gus is allowed so much freedom to comment on a wide range of club stuff, but in this case it's led to another own goal by Albion. I imagine Gus has now been told very firmly that next time he feels inclined to make public pronouncements about potentially sensitive contract issues he must keep his mouth firmly shut... This is a mess Albion can't win. Having publicly declared Vicente could make up his own mind whether he stayed, a good lawyer could tie them up for months with all sorts of legal arguements - justifiably I reckon. Brighton will not get much from this situation other than the management having learned a lesson (I hope)...

Actually, Willie, the verbal comment by Gus won't affect anything unless Gus was acting solely as the club's spokesman, which I doubt. It was just a personal comment and should not affect a contract which to be binding has several conditions to fulfill. Inter alia, they are offer, acceptance, consideration (ie payment) consensus ad idem (being of the same mind) and also not be ultra vires, which means outside the power of the person to grant. I doubt Gus had such power, so what Gus said to a journalist will be largely irrelevant in my opinion. I can see why you might have been attracted by a counter argument but I am not persuaded by it. Hope that helps.

Despite itself, that does make sense to me....and is reassuring. Confirms my suspicion that verbal promises in isolation count for nothing (which I believe is what you are saying).

Sorry for the legalese but there was little other way to explain the legal implications so I adopted a broad brush approach. There was much more to add that I left out to save the readers falling asleep!

HOVEPARKRESIDENT wrote:
Oh dear, oh deary deary me. I do believe your'e not singing any more!

Captain Haddock wrote:

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:

the taffster wrote: we once had a player from spain,who became a bit of a pain.his agent turned funny.demanding more money and now he wont even train.

Boom tish! Very good.

There once was a manager named Gus Whose pronouncements created such a fuss They told him look here Keep brain and mouth well in gear Or soon there may be no Gus Bus

There once was a man dubbed The Dagger, Who had a whole lot of swagger, He delighted the crowd Made em sing his name loud (sic) His skills made defenders fair stagger Then the season came to a close He went back to Spain on his toes We hoped he'd return But eventually learned In Spain now he wanted to pose So a clause the club activated His agents were much agitated But we don't give a ???? Because with some luck We'll get cash or the player highly rated.

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:

the taffster wrote: we once had a player from spain,who became a bit of a pain.his agent turned funny.demanding more money and now he wont even train.

Boom tish! Very good.

There once was a manager named Gus Whose pronouncements created such a fuss They told him look here Keep brain and mouth well in gear Or soon there may be no Gus Bus

There once was a man dubbed The Dagger, Who had a whole lot of swagger, He delighted the crowd Made em sing his name loud (sic) His skills made defenders fair stagger Then the season came to a close He went back to Spain on his toes We hoped he'd return But eventually learned In Spain now he wanted to pose So a clause the club activated His agents were much agitated But we don't give a ???? Because with some luck We'll get cash or the player highly rated.

Okay, Captain, very good - you win today's Limerick competition!
Can you do one to include ad idem and ultra vires..?

Captain Haddock wrote:

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:

the taffster wrote: we once had a player from spain,who became a bit of a pain.his agent turned funny.demanding more money and now he wont even train.

Boom tish! Very good.

There once was a manager named Gus Whose pronouncements created such a fuss They told him look here Keep brain and mouth well in gear Or soon there may be no Gus Bus

There once was a man dubbed The Dagger,
Who had a whole lot of swagger,
He delighted the crowd
Made em sing his name loud (sic)
His skills made defenders fair stagger

Then the season came to a close
He went back to Spain on his toes
We hoped he'd return
But eventually learned
In Spain now he wanted to pose

So a clause the club activated
His agents were much agitated
But we don't give a ????
Because with some luck
We'll get cash or the player highly rated.

Alfie T wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:

the taffster wrote: we once had a player from spain,who became a bit of a pain.his agent turned funny.demanding more money and now he wont even train.

Boom tish! Very good.

There once was a manager named Gus Whose pronouncements created such a fuss They told him look here Keep brain and mouth well in gear Or soon there may be no Gus Bus

There once was a man dubbed The Dagger, Who had a whole lot of swagger, He delighted the crowd Made em sing his name loud (sic) His skills made defenders fair stagger Then the season came to a close He went back to Spain on his toes We hoped he'd return But eventually learned In Spain now he wanted to pose So a clause the club activated His agents were much agitated But we don't give a ???? Because with some luck We'll get cash or the player highly rated.

Good effort Captain H,although the last verse needs some work. What a sad state of affairs this has become,I hope it's not putting our Bruno off. I hear from a local that he is very useful,albeit a little injury prone!

Grumpy old goat wrote:
As the official and totally fictitious Littlehampton & Arundel spokesman for Vicente, I am happy to confirm that my client has just booked into Travelodge, will be having a big mac meal this evening, and will report for training tomorrow. Can somebody please lend him an umbrella?

gordongull wrote:
No new signings?
Players will now be understandably wary of signing for the Albion, following the U-turn that the Club has taken over Vicente's contract.
Surely Gus would not have told the Argus ''I am not going to use any options if he doesn't want to stay'', without also informing the player of this decision.
The statement is unambiguous, and Vicente was clearly under the impression that he had a choice in the matter, until last week's announcement.
We will do ourselves no favours if 'Vicentegate' rumbles on through the summer, and we should do the decent thing and release him now.

sidtheseagull wrote:

Grumpy old goat wrote:
As the official and totally fictitious Littlehampton & Arundel spokesman for Vicente, I am happy to confirm that my client has just booked into Travelodge, will be having a big mac meal this evening, and will report for training tomorrow. Can somebody please lend him an umbrella?

Any chance you could give him a lift into brighton by 10ish for a weigh-in?

rolivan wrote:

gordongull wrote:
No new signings?
Players will now be understandably wary of signing for the Albion, following the U-turn that the Club has taken over Vicente's contract.
Surely Gus would not have told the Argus ''I am not going to use any options if he doesn't want to stay'', without also informing the player of this decision.
The statement is unambiguous, and Vicente was clearly under the impression that he had a choice in the matter, until last week's announcement.
We will do ourselves no favours if 'Vicentegate' rumbles on through the summer, and we should do the decent thing and release him now.

The club haven't made a U-turn they took the option available which was part of the contractWe are not privy to know what has gone on since the end of the season and now except that He is wanted by Elche and they do not want to pay a fee.Vicentes Agent has obviously been trying to get the best deal for Himself and Vicente and probably in that order remembering that He is in final years of His playing career.I bet if you put a contract in front of the Majority of players they wouldn't understand the legalities let alone how much they would get once the Fees were taken out.

Grumpy old goat wrote:

sidtheseagull wrote:

Grumpy old goat wrote:
As the official and totally fictitious Littlehampton & Arundel spokesman for Vicente, I am happy to confirm that my client has just booked into Travelodge, will be having a big mac meal this evening, and will report for training tomorrow. Can somebody please lend him an umbrella?

Any chance you could give him a lift into brighton by 10ish for a weigh-in?

I certainly will - I'll also provide a CD of old Spanish classics for the journey over. That should help pass the time when we're stuck at Lyons Farm.

4everaseagull wrote:

Ripe seagull. wrote:
Surprise, surprise! But that's funny, I thought his contract was sorted when he signed last year enabling us to renew for another year. How can he turn down a deal he has already signed?

Good point ripe seagull. Vicente signed a contract last year that he knew could end up being a further year if the club so wanted. Problem is Gus stated the club would not invoke the option to extend the deal. I think the powers that be at board level felt after all the time, effort and money spent on getting him fit they would activate the caluse to try and recoup some pennies and quite right to. Interesting though as Vicente has not reported for training this morning he must be in breach of contract!

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:

Alfie T wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:

Captain Haddock wrote:

the taffster wrote: we once had a player from spain,who became a bit of a pain.his agent turned funny.demanding more money and now he wont even train.

Boom tish! Very good.

There once was a manager named Gus Whose pronouncements created such a fuss They told him look here Keep brain and mouth well in gear Or soon there may be no Gus Bus

There once was a man dubbed The Dagger, Who had a whole lot of swagger, He delighted the crowd Made em sing his name loud (sic) His skills made defenders fair stagger Then the season came to a close He went back to Spain on his toes We hoped he'd return But eventually learned In Spain now he wanted to pose So a clause the club activated His agents were much agitated But we don't give a ???? Because with some luck We'll get cash or the player highly rated.

Good effort Captain H,although the last verse needs some work. What a sad state of affairs this has become,I hope it's not putting our Bruno off. I hear from a local that he is very useful,albeit a little injury prone!

Surely Bruno won't be put of by Captain Haddock's poetry..?

Neville wrote:
All of you have seem to forgotten that Vicente is now on maternity leave as per EU Legislation. Suspect we will hear something by Thursday.

tug509 wrote:
We keep hearing about Gus openly saying he would`nt hold V on the 2nd optional year,but could that be because V had already given him good cause to believe that he was going to stay,which would also constitute a verbal agreement!!

Vince wrote:
Hopefully a good midfielder capable of playing more than 10 games per season.

Changing the subject any news on Grant Hall. Is he still waiting for Spurs to come and get him, or perhaps the new management team at Spurs want him?

It's all about player power these days, not club loyalty, as Vicente and Grant are demonstrating.

Gone are the days of players like Tom Finney and Stanley Matthews, great players who gave their clubs many years of total commitment and loyalty despite being paid a small fraction of what today's players earn. Greed, selfishness, and inflated egos are all you get from many players these days.

gordongull wrote:
No new signings?
Players will now be understandably wary of signing for the Albion, following the U-turn that the Club has taken over Vicente's contract.
Surely Gus would not have told the Argus ''I am not going to use any options if he doesn't want to stay'', without also informing the player of this decision.
The statement is unambiguous, and Vicente was clearly under the impression that he had a choice in the matter, until last week's announcement.
We will do ourselves no favours if 'Vicentegate' rumbles on through the summer, and we should do the decent thing and release him now.

ballantrrae wrote:

gordongull wrote: No new signings? Players will now be understandably wary of signing for the Albion, following the U-turn that the Club has taken over Vicente's contract. Surely Gus would not have told the Argus ''I am not going to use any options if he doesn't want to stay'', without also informing the player of this decision. The statement is unambiguous, and Vicente was clearly under the impression that he had a choice in the matter, until last week's announcement. We will do ourselves no favours if 'Vicentegate' rumbles on through the summer, and we should do the decent thing and release him now.

Valencia obviously knew what they were doing when they released Vicente. If anybody knew how very talented Vicente is they did, yet they let him go. What concerns me now is that Vicente is not preparing himself properly for the new season so whoever he ends up playing for will have to get him fit. If he remains an Albion player will he get fit enough (mentally and physically) to play by say November ? The club needs closure on this 'saga' and needs to move on. Some news on some more signings ie a central midfielder along the lines Poyet has mentioned he wants, a striker, a left back and an attacking creative midfielder would be a good way to start. Also some news about Grant Hall - his contract was due to end 1 July - might be welcome.

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
OK, We give up! More than 24 hours since this story was first put up, have the club resumed from there summer break? Has there been a fire at the Albion shop, Is Gus having an affair with his neighbors wife? Has the pitch at the Amex turned brown? Are the reporters from the Argus on holiday? so many questions but no real NEWS!!!!!!!

markymark03 wrote:
I have a gut feeling that we will announce an important bit of news today regarding V or a new signing and the argus know about it, hence why there has not been any albion related news.

T.K was announced at 9pm and Bruno at 7pm. So my guess is at 5pm

Rhodes Seagull wrote:

Yogi wrote:
YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!

Can you please snore quietly?
Keeping me awake, YAwnnnnnnnnnn

ballantrrae wrote:

gordongull wrote:
No new signings?
Players will now be understandably wary of signing for the Albion, following the U-turn that the Club has taken over Vicente's contract.
Surely Gus would not have told the Argus ''I am not going to use any options if he doesn't want to stay'', without also informing the player of this decision.
The statement is unambiguous, and Vicente was clearly under the impression that he had a choice in the matter, until last week's announcement.
We will do ourselves no favours if 'Vicentegate' rumbles on through the summer, and we should do the decent thing and release him now.

Valencia obviously knew what they were doing when they released Vicente.
If anybody knew how very talented Vicente is they did, yet they let him go.
What concerns me now is that Vicente is not preparing himself properly for the new season so whoever he ends up playing for will have to get him fit.
If he remains an Albion player will he get fit enough (mentally and physically) to play by say November ?
The club needs closure on this 'saga' and needs to move on.
Some news on some more signings ie a central midfielder along the lines Poyet has mentioned he wants, a striker, a left back and an attacking creative midfielder would be a good way to start. Also some news about Grant Hall - his contract was due to end 1 July - might be welcome.

mikeygit wrote:
PLEASE can we close this sory---we have had over 400 posts about Vicente in one form or another---not including last season. One player does not warrant this unless he has scored in every match 3 times!! I hope we can get some REAL Albion news soon and get back to business. All the above posts I agree with and I can see no point in anyone posting any more---this is my last on this subject!! BORING!!!

mikeygit wrote:
PLEASE can we close this sory---we have had over 400 posts about Vicente in one form or another---not including last season. One player does not warrant this unless he has scored in every match 3 times!! I hope we can get some REAL Albion news soon and get back to business. All the above posts I agree with and I can see no point in anyone posting any more---this is my last on this subject!! BORING!!!

Captain Haddock wrote:

mikeygit wrote:
PLEASE can we close this sory---we have had over 400 posts about Vicente in one form or another---not including last season. One player does not warrant this unless he has scored in every match 3 times!! I hope we can get some REAL Albion news soon and get back to business. All the above posts I agree with and I can see no point in anyone posting any more---this is my last on this subject!! BORING!!!

But what about my poems?!!

:0(

Captain Haddock wrote:

mikeygit wrote: PLEASE can we close this sory---we have had over 400 posts about Vicente in one form or another---not including last season. One player does not warrant this unless he has scored in every match 3 times!! I hope we can get some REAL Albion news soon and get back to business. All the above posts I agree with and I can see no point in anyone posting any more---this is my last on this subject!! BORING!!!

But what about my poems?!! :0(