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Gus: Fans will love Dobbie
9:30am Tuesday 4th September 2012 in Sport By Andy Naylor
Stephen Dobbie doing some work at The Amex yesterday. Picture by Terry Applin
Albion boss Gus Poyet has told The Amex faithful they are going to love Stephen Dobbie.
Poyet expects the deadline day signing from Swansea to be an instant hit with supporters.
Dobbie turned down Championship rivals Blackpool, where he had two loan spells, as well as interest from Middlesbrough and Burnley to sign for Albion.
Poyet is still after a target man once the loan transfer window opens but seized the chance to snap up the Scottish striker for three years, with doubts persisting over the fitness of Spanish playmaker Vicente .
“We have been waiting for Vicente,” Poyet said. “He could be training with us but, when you don’t know what is going to happen, you try to make sure you have got someone who is going to help us open up defences and he (Dobbie) does that.
“We wanted to have someone for three years, bang, you know he is there, not a year or a season loan, so that side of the transfer was important as well.
“Then as well we have an excellent player who is with us, not playing against us, because there was competition from teams in our division.
“The fans are going to love him. They know the qualities of Vicente, Bruno and Wayne Bridge, the players that do something different on the pitch. Well he is one of them.”
Dobbie and fellow deadline day signings Andrea Orlandi, David Lopez and Dean Hammond will all be in contention to make their home debuts in Albion’s next match against Sheffield Wednesday on Friday week.
Dobbie said: “I am just looking forward to getting on the pitch and showing everyone what I can do. I played through pre-season and came on for the last 35 minutes in Swansea’s (Capital One) Cup game last week. I am ready to go whenever I’m needed.”
Comments(97)
fratsomrover
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9:49am Tue 4 Sep 12
Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS)
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10:05am Tue 4 Sep 12
Bish May Turn
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10:06am Tue 4 Sep 12
JaseBHA
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10:12am Tue 4 Sep 12
ballantrrae
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10:32am Tue 4 Sep 12
Looking forward to seeing Dobbie in action although I will miss the Wednesday match (holiday) so won't do so until the Birmingham visit.
Well we can expect at least one more signing, the target man Poyet is still looking for. The search for one is becoming a little like searching for the 'Holy Grail' and has been going on for more than a year now. The saga is almost taking on a 'Pythonese' dimension.
There is still a likelyhood that Poyet will also recruit another CB - he did say another was needed after Elphick (and Hall) departed.
So during the international break there could possibly be some more signings once the 'loan' window reopens.
TB, Poyet, Burke, Bailey & Co really are making a determined push onwards and (hopefully) upwards. Talking of Burke, in the middle of last week before the transfer window closed, I posted that it would be interesting to see if Burke could 'win his spurs'. 4 top signings later I think one can say he most certainly did. His input etc on that final Friday must have not only been invaluable but made all 4 signings possible.
In previous eras I can't envisage that we would have had the capability (from a logistical standpoint) to sign 4 players on a transfer deadline day.
Dr Baldhead
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10:50am Tue 4 Sep 12
The only observation I've got is that I can't see how Gus is going to satisfy all of the talent we've now got. It's great for injury / absence cover (Hammond / Crofts) but we have players of the calibre of Dobbie, Lopez and Orlandi competing with the likes of Vicente, Buckley and Barnes and some are gonna be disappointed. I guess this is good provided it doesn't unsettle what has recently been a settled and well balanced dressing room.
As for bringing in another striker. All I can say is he'll have to be damm good to get a game.
Willie, Willie Irvine
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10:51am Tue 4 Sep 12
DorsetSeagull
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10:59am Tue 4 Sep 12
Beginning to think that Vicente still wasn't happy at the summer situation, despite the comments after he came back. Was flying in pre-season, so we do seem to be back to square one with this, big shame, but with the quality in this squad now, we will move forward. Previous debates on here have asked if this is the best squad of players we've had, everyone has followed the club through different era's so hard to say, but this is up there with the best ever, and this is also the most professional and sustainable the club has been, and to say that after the not-so-far-away dark days is a remarkable testament to all who have made this possible.
Looking forward to seeing the new guys, to those that went to Turf Moor, how did Orlandi shape up when coming on, the distribution for Greer's header was spot on.
wiseman of hove
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11:29am Tue 4 Sep 12
rolivan
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11:51am Tue 4 Sep 12
SMF20
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12:04pm Tue 4 Sep 12
tooncgull
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12:34pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Unless there has been a definite development that Ive missed somewhere.
Gibseagull
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12:48pm Tue 4 Sep 12
tooncgull wrote:I agree with this + the way to get the most and the best out of Vicente is to play him as an impact sub because we all know the impact he can have. That way we'll protect him a bit and so get more games and maximum benefit from him - and what a bench we're gonna have!!
Why are people writing off Vicente for us now? Have I missed a meeting? I thought he was just injured again, as he was quite often last season.. no need to assume that he's on his way out, surely.
Unless there has been a definite development that Ive missed somewhere.
Hovite
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12:49pm Tue 4 Sep 12
VegasSeagull
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12:50pm Tue 4 Sep 12
With Poyet choosing to tell us how much the fans are going to love Dobbie, and also slipping in a footnote about Vicente, my guess is that we are being prepared to hear the news that our spanish wizard will be leaving us soon. I think that this will end with a mutual understanding between player and club and that his contract will be cancelled.
As much as I would be saddend by his departure I think it is probably the best thing for all. We are not getting bang for our buck from Vicente, for me he would start every game but as of right now we can't even rely on him making the bench.
Poyet has cover in midfield, he bought the replacement, it's time to make a decision once and for all regarding Vicente, either he has to make it or the club does.
This is the year that we make the big push for promotion, the new signings make that very clear, and by giving Dobbie a three year contract it suggests that Gus feels that the lad still has something to offer at the top level.
CMS to have a twenty goal season, well that looks more likely with the addition of Dobbie and the new and improved service he should get from midfield. Dobbie will bang a bunch in too, it won't be all about setting up CMS.
tug509
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12:52pm Tue 4 Sep 12
DorsetSeagull
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12:55pm Tue 4 Sep 12
tooncgull wrote:Nothing definite has happened on the Vicente front, but that's the problem. Gus doesn't know where he stands, judging from the above comments, and has acted to sign players, like Dobbie, who can do that job, because as wonderful a player as we all know Vicente is, we are now in full swing with the new season, and I feel the club won't wait too much longer for these persistent injuries that are occuring. And I still feel he would much rather be in Spain with his family, only natural. The injuries he gets take two-three times longer to clear up than most players, and this despite the fact that he came through a tough pre-season, went through the pain barrier, and seemed to be ready, according to how Gus and the medical staff saw it.
Why are people writing off Vicente for us now? Have I missed a meeting? I thought he was just injured again, as he was quite often last season.. no need to assume that he's on his way out, surely.
Unless there has been a definite development that Ive missed somewhere.
Would love to be proved wrong, but reading between Gus's comments it looks like the situation could change quite soon.
wiseman of hove
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1:07pm Tue 4 Sep 12
VegasSeagull wrote:Good post
Brighton had an option on Vicente's services for this year and we took up that option so we can presume that he is on a one year contract. Reading between the lines it appears that personal problems have once again surfaced.
With Poyet choosing to tell us how much the fans are going to love Dobbie, and also slipping in a footnote about Vicente, my guess is that we are being prepared to hear the news that our spanish wizard will be leaving us soon. I think that this will end with a mutual understanding between player and club and that his contract will be cancelled.
As much as I would be saddend by his departure I think it is probably the best thing for all. We are not getting bang for our buck from Vicente, for me he would start every game but as of right now we can't even rely on him making the bench.
Poyet has cover in midfield, he bought the replacement, it's time to make a decision once and for all regarding Vicente, either he has to make it or the club does.
This is the year that we make the big push for promotion, the new signings make that very clear, and by giving Dobbie a three year contract it suggests that Gus feels that the lad still has something to offer at the top level.
CMS to have a twenty goal season, well that looks more likely with the addition of Dobbie and the new and improved service he should get from midfield. Dobbie will bang a bunch in too, it won't be all about setting up CMS.
VegasSeagull
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1:18pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Today we are told of how much we will love Dobbie, this story makes us feel good too.
We are also told that we are still in the hunt for a target man, we are just waiting for the loan window, this story builds on our already heightened excitement level, and add to that the possibilty of a new center back coming too.
Now add to all the above Poyet's comments regarding Vicente, "we have been waiting for Vicente," I think Gus is getting tired of waiting. I feel sure that we are being prepped for bad news, bad news that has an acceptable ending, the acceptable ending is that he would go when we are on a winning streak and Dobbie, CMS and all the others are grabbing the headlines.
Captain Haddock
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1:24pm Tue 4 Sep 12
tug509 wrote:Yes Im inclined to the same thinking both in terms of the philosophical notion of using him sparingly to maximise his potential and having a feeling he'll be gone at least quite soon.
I dont think its a case of anyone writing off Vicente more a matter of becoming used to him not being available.Dobbie and the rest of the new lads are able and willing to play for us,and as SMF20 pointed out ,want to be at the club.Personally i cant see why he would not want to be a part of this team.He could certainly help us to promotion.If this is a genuine injury,then i wish him a speedy recovery,but the synic in me wonders if he wants to go back to spain again.UTA
Hope he stays for this season before returning home though. Would be great to continue celebrating his talents on the pitch (as and when!) and having him associated with what we hope will be a famous promotion-winning campaign.
Either way round and back on main topic, it's great to see Dobbie settling in and looking forward to playing for us.
I'm delighted he's signed and especially for the length of contract he has done.
All the best "Elf"! (?)
Willie, Willie Irvine
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1:37pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Willie, Willie Irvine
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1:40pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:correction to my previous -
In recent years Vicente has developed form for being a sicknote player, not to mention whinging about club docs etc. Nothing is changing regards his availibility it would seem, whatever the reason. Add to that the fact he clearly did not want to return to Brighton this season for personal reasons - that he thought Gus's public statement that he would not be held to the contract extension option - and not surprisingly you end up with a someone who's heart is not in it. Albion now have the strength in depth that was missing earlier so the club may well offload him on loan back to Spain or simply tear the contract up. Its speculation yes, but a possibility nevertheless.
that he thought Gus's public statement that he would not be held to the contract extension option would be honoured by the club...
BrightonBulldog
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1:42pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Willie, Willie Irvine
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1:47pm Tue 4 Sep 12
BrightonBulldog wrote:I was thinking he looked familar - good spot! That or we signed a mouthy comedian...
Is it just me, or does anyone else think Dobbie looks like the comedian Lee Mack?
Guernsey c gull
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2:12pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Guernsey c gull
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Guernsey c gull
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gusset snatcher
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VegasSeagull
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2:30pm Tue 4 Sep 12
I am not buying the, ' injury niggle,' story, there is something else wrong and it needs to be sorted now.
If injuries are the reason for Vicente not playing, and his recovery continues to drag on, then cut him loose now.
If there are other reasons, reasons of apersonal nature, cut him loose now.
I doubt that we will ever have a squad such as the one now assembled that would be more capable of getting us promoted. Brighton can't carry dead wood and right now that is what Vicente is. I mean no disrespect to the man, I respect his pedigree and his talent but all that counts for nothing if he is not available to play.
Sentiment is for when a player leaves a club, it has no place in the fight for promotion.
I doubt that there is a better medical set up than the one we have at Brighton, top facility with top people within it and Vicente is out for weeks with a, "slight injury," I am not buying it.
Do what you know you have to do Gus, cut the guy loose now and use his wages to play for our loan player. Money is important, a few more quid and we would have lost CMS.
A three legged greyhound might display talent in still being able to run but would you back him in a race at Hove, I think not.
It's time to say goodbye and thank him for his services.
Hovite
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2:32pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Guernsey c gull wrote:Playing Sheffield Wednesday on Friday 14th lol
Please help me, I keep see people on these sites talking about Wednesday's game , I thought the next game was the 14th September.who is wednesday against?
dave from bexill
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2:53pm Tue 4 Sep 12
VegasSeagull wrote:If the club cuts "the guy loose" as you put it, then we would have to pay his contract up surely. You say you mean no disrespect to him and then infer he's deadwood.Also, it's Gus who is telling us he(Vicente) has "a slight injury". As such, are you meaning that Gus is being less than honest with us? It's beginning to sound a bit like last year when(understandably) some supporters were frustrated and suggesting Vicente was a bad purchase. I remain of the view that he is still, and by some way, the most talented player we have and I look forward to seeing him in the stripes again as soon as possible and I guess Gus feels exactly the same way.UTA
No time for sentiment, not now, not this year.
I am not buying the, ' injury niggle,' story, there is something else wrong and it needs to be sorted now.
If injuries are the reason for Vicente not playing, and his recovery continues to drag on, then cut him loose now.
If there are other reasons, reasons of apersonal nature, cut him loose now.
I doubt that we will ever have a squad such as the one now assembled that would be more capable of getting us promoted. Brighton can't carry dead wood and right now that is what Vicente is. I mean no disrespect to the man, I respect his pedigree and his talent but all that counts for nothing if he is not available to play.
Sentiment is for when a player leaves a club, it has no place in the fight for promotion.
I doubt that there is a better medical set up than the one we have at Brighton, top facility with top people within it and Vicente is out for weeks with a, "slight injury," I am not buying it.
Do what you know you have to do Gus, cut the guy loose now and use his wages to play for our loan player. Money is important, a few more quid and we would have lost CMS.
A three legged greyhound might display talent in still being able to run but would you back him in a race at Hove, I think not.
It's time to say goodbye and thank him for his services.
wiseman of hove
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3:01pm Tue 4 Sep 12
dave from bexill wrote:Interesting exchange of views, well articulated. I doubt we will see Vicente much in the blue and white - I sincerely hope I'm wrong.
VegasSeagull wrote:If the club cuts "the guy loose" as you put it, then we would have to pay his contract up surely. You say you mean no disrespect to him and then infer he's deadwood.Also, it's Gus who is telling us he(Vicente) has "a slight injury". As such, are you meaning that Gus is being less than honest with us? It's beginning to sound a bit like last year when(understandably) some supporters were frustrated and suggesting Vicente was a bad purchase. I remain of the view that he is still, and by some way, the most talented player we have and I look forward to seeing him in the stripes again as soon as possible and I guess Gus feels exactly the same way.UTA
No time for sentiment, not now, not this year.
I am not buying the, ' injury niggle,' story, there is something else wrong and it needs to be sorted now.
If injuries are the reason for Vicente not playing, and his recovery continues to drag on, then cut him loose now.
If there are other reasons, reasons of apersonal nature, cut him loose now.
I doubt that we will ever have a squad such as the one now assembled that would be more capable of getting us promoted. Brighton can't carry dead wood and right now that is what Vicente is. I mean no disrespect to the man, I respect his pedigree and his talent but all that counts for nothing if he is not available to play.
Sentiment is for when a player leaves a club, it has no place in the fight for promotion.
I doubt that there is a better medical set up than the one we have at Brighton, top facility with top people within it and Vicente is out for weeks with a, "slight injury," I am not buying it.
Do what you know you have to do Gus, cut the guy loose now and use his wages to play for our loan player. Money is important, a few more quid and we would have lost CMS.
A three legged greyhound might display talent in still being able to run but would you back him in a race at Hove, I think not.
It's time to say goodbye and thank him for his services.
VegasSeagull
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3:07pm Tue 4 Sep 12
dave from bexill wrote:The most talented player in the stripes, agreed.
VegasSeagull wrote: No time for sentiment, not now, not this year. I am not buying the, ' injury niggle,' story, there is something else wrong and it needs to be sorted now. If injuries are the reason for Vicente not playing, and his recovery continues to drag on, then cut him loose now. If there are other reasons, reasons of apersonal nature, cut him loose now. I doubt that we will ever have a squad such as the one now assembled that would be more capable of getting us promoted. Brighton can't carry dead wood and right now that is what Vicente is. I mean no disrespect to the man, I respect his pedigree and his talent but all that counts for nothing if he is not available to play. Sentiment is for when a player leaves a club, it has no place in the fight for promotion. I doubt that there is a better medical set up than the one we have at Brighton, top facility with top people within it and Vicente is out for weeks with a, "slight injury," I am not buying it. Do what you know you have to do Gus, cut the guy loose now and use his wages to play for our loan player. Money is important, a few more quid and we would have lost CMS. A three legged greyhound might display talent in still being able to run but would you back him in a race at Hove, I think not. It's time to say goodbye and thank him for his services.If the club cuts "the guy loose" as you put it, then we would have to pay his contract up surely. You say you mean no disrespect to him and then infer he's deadwood.Also, it's Gus who is telling us he(Vicente) has "a slight injury". As such, are you meaning that Gus is being less than honest with us? It's beginning to sound a bit like last year when(understandably) some supporters were frustrated and suggesting Vicente was a bad purchase. I remain of the view that he is still, and by some way, the most talented player we have and I look forward to seeing him in the stripes again as soon as possible and I guess Gus feels exactly the same way.UTA
If he is facing the same personal issues that forced his late arrival for pre-season training, his contract would be ended by mutual concent, no payoff.
I respect the man and all that he has achieved, his talents ect, but anyone that is taking the pay and remains unable to play is dead wood, how would you put it?
Did Gus level with us in pre-season, of course not, he kept Vicente's problem under wraps and rightly so but he did in the end. It's not a question of telling lies, it's more a case of helping a player keep his private issues private.
Dave I would love to be wrong, I would love to see Vicente start every game for the rest of the season. I would love to hear that Vicente is fully recovered and will start our next match. Just like you I would love to see the guy help us all the way to the top so my comments should not be seen as an attack.
Promotion is everything and if any player can't put his boots on when needed that player must be replaced, it's cold but true.
ballantrrae
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3:20pm Tue 4 Sep 12
rolivan wrote:Cahors is great Rolivan. I have been coming here for 20 years now and I am sure the wine is much better than it was then. The ''Black wines' of Cahors are still udervalued (I'm pleased to say) and are actually deserving of a higher profile rather like our great football club 'the Albion'.
Maybe we could loan Vicente to a Premiership Club in exchange for Striker.Hows Cahors Ballantrae?
I like your idea of loaning Vicente to a Premiership Club. I wonder if Poyet with his Chelsea connections could arrange something appropriate such as Sturridge joining us (dreaming).
Changing tack I was pleased to see that Kuszczak has been called up by Poland. It just goes to show what can happen to players if they join the Seagulls !
ballantrrae
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3:37pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Captain Haddock wrote:There seems to be a consensus regarding the Vicente linked postings.
tug509 wrote:Yes Im inclined to the same thinking both in terms of the philosophical notion of using him sparingly to maximise his potential and having a feeling he'll be gone at least quite soon.
I dont think its a case of anyone writing off Vicente more a matter of becoming used to him not being available.Dobbie and the rest of the new lads are able and willing to play for us,and as SMF20 pointed out ,want to be at the club.Personally i cant see why he would not want to be a part of this team.He could certainly help us to promotion.If this is a genuine injury,then i wish him a speedy recovery,but the synic in me wonders if he wants to go back to spain again.UTA
Hope he stays for this season before returning home though. Would be great to continue celebrating his talents on the pitch (as and when!) and having him associated with what we hope will be a famous promotion-winning campaign.
Either way round and back on main topic, it's great to see Dobbie settling in and looking forward to playing for us.
I'm delighted he's signed and especially for the length of contract he has done.
All the best "Elf"! (?)
Yes we would all like him to stay and using him as an 'impact' player as has been suggested might be the pragmatic way of getting the best out of him.
The question I would ask is why did Valencia release him in the first place ?
After all if anybody knew his strengths and weaknesses they did. I can only conclude that they felt the weaknesses had begun to outweigh the strengths. It looks as if Poyet is beginning to think along similar lines.
One other thought. Whatever the reason our results when Vicente has started have been underwhelming.
Signing Dobbie gives us a solution.
Hovite
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3:45pm Tue 4 Sep 12
I can assure you that none of them have ever come true. It is not even worth talking about.
Just think of all the worst case possible scenarios and I can guarantee they will never be further from the truth.
Unless you know Gus or Vicente there is no point suggesting what they may be thinking.
If you read between the lines you can make up anything.
VegasSeagull
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3:47pm Tue 4 Sep 12
ballantrrae wrote:There is no chance of a prem deal for Vicente, his fitness issues and or other issues would rule that out.
rolivan wrote: Maybe we could loan Vicente to a Premiership Club in exchange for Striker.Hows Cahors Ballantrae?Cahors is great Rolivan. I have been coming here for 20 years now and I am sure the wine is much better than it was then. The ''Black wines' of Cahors are still udervalued (I'm pleased to say) and are actually deserving of a higher profile rather like our great football club 'the Albion'. I like your idea of loaning Vicente to a Premiership Club. I wonder if Poyet with his Chelsea connections could arrange something appropriate such as Sturridge joining us (dreaming). Changing tack I was pleased to see that Kuszczak has been called up by Poland. It just goes to show what can happen to players if they join the Seagulls !
I would suggest that a possible loan swap deal might be possible with a spanish club.
Too many Harveys
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3:49pm Tue 4 Sep 12
VegasSeagull
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4:02pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Hovite wrote:Hovite.
Vegas, over the last year I have witnessed, twisted speculation and conspiracies of worse and possible devastating scenarios, second guessing and questioning the club and its players integrity. I can assure you that none of them have ever come true. It is not even worth talking about. Just think of all the worst case possible scenarios and I can guarantee they will never be further from the truth. Unless you know Gus or Vicente there is no point suggesting what they may be thinking. If you read between the lines you can make up anything.
The purpose for a forum is to discuss issues, some known and some percieved.
If we only ever spoke on here of what is known as fact, postings one hour before a game and one hour after would be the only postings on here.
Yes we speculate and yes we will be wrong most of the time, but that is what brings us back to the site each day.
You should be careful not to mix opinon with speculation, even if at times they do mix with each other in the postings.
I offered my opinion as to what Gus might be thinking based on his (Gus) words and actions, (new signings.)
I am of the opinion that Vicente should be cut loose, that opinion is not based on what I am reading between the lines, my speculation if you like, my opinion is based on his lack of availability and the fact that Gus has signed his replacement. There is also the matter of costs to the club, can we afford to have him sitting out so many games.
We were eventually told of his private issues prior to his late arrival for pre-season training, I think it fair to say that his ongoing injury issues plus his private issues added to his replacement being already on the books, can allow us to speculate as to what his future might be.
What we all read on hear is just like the chat you might have in your local pub with fellow supporters, should they not speculate too, isn't that part of the fun of being a fan?
I take your point as a well intended comment.
wiseman of hove
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4:08pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Too many Harveys wrote:Seems a very reasonable summing up to me.
I agree too that it seems from the information coming from the club that Vicente's injuries are more in his head than his legs again. It's such a shame as he is truly marvellous to watch when he does play. However with two good and two excellent performances so far this season we have shown we can do it without him and the addiion of Dobbie, Hammond, Orlandi and Lopez can only help us further to be less reliant. Think I agree with Vegas that his wages might be better used elsewhere and it's time to let him go if that's what he wants.
mikeygit
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4:11pm Tue 4 Sep 12
I posted the other day that with all these signings and the 'oldies' in the club performing well to date maybe Gus is thinking of the rotation system, rest some players when appropriate so that the majority of the players get games. Thoughts??
wiseman of hove
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4:19pm Tue 4 Sep 12
mikeygit wrote:I think injuries and suspensions afford opportunities for most of the squad to feature. I personally would not want to see the Rafa rotation that was a feature at Anfield in his latter days. I certainly would not want to see our back five rotated. As it happens, its further forward that the real competition will take place.
In my opinion there is more to the Vicente situation than we are being told and Gus has more important things to do than constantly worry or deal with one player. Vicente came with a question mark over his long term fitness, he is a very tallented player--WHEN he plays. Gus's job is to run a successful club and when one player is begining to be a thorn in the side then other options have to be considered and I think that is where Gus was coming from with all these signings.
I posted the other day that with all these signings and the 'oldies' in the club performing well to date maybe Gus is thinking of the rotation system, rest some players when appropriate so that the majority of the players get games. Thoughts??
Alfie T
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4:28pm Tue 4 Sep 12
tug509
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4:38pm Tue 4 Sep 12
maybe! Iagree with Vegas that the best all round solution maybe for both parties to terminate the contract by mutual agreement.I know some will say this is speculation and you are correct,but the fact is he has`nt played yet and there are no indications to the contrary.I would love to see him play every game,but it does`nt look like that is going to happen.It is vital all the team are ready to give all to their team mates.UTA
tug509
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4:44pm Tue 4 Sep 12
tug509 wrote:Typical i type so slowly that by the time i finally post someone else ,in this case Mikeygit have covered most of the same points,ah well such is life.UTA
IMHO Vegas has covered the whole situation perfectly.I think the same way as everyone else on here,Vicente is a Great player when available ,but that is not very often and i wonder whether that was`nt always on Gus` mind when signing the new lads.My biggest worries are a) how are his "Injuries"going to affect the team in the long run and b) do you change a winning team to give him the ocassional game ,or HOPE he may be available as a sub....sometimes....
maybe! Iagree with Vegas that the best all round solution maybe for both parties to terminate the contract by mutual agreement.I know some will say this is speculation and you are correct,but the fact is he has`nt played yet and there are no indications to the contrary.I would love to see him play every game,but it does`nt look like that is going to happen.It is vital all the team are ready to give all to their team mates.UTA
tug509
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4:44pm Tue 4 Sep 12
tug509 wrote:Typical i type so slowly that by the time i finally post someone else ,in this case Mikeygit have covered most of the same points,ah well such is life.UTA
IMHO Vegas has covered the whole situation perfectly.I think the same way as everyone else on here,Vicente is a Great player when available ,but that is not very often and i wonder whether that was`nt always on Gus` mind when signing the new lads.My biggest worries are a) how are his "Injuries"going to affect the team in the long run and b) do you change a winning team to give him the ocassional game ,or HOPE he may be available as a sub....sometimes....
maybe! Iagree with Vegas that the best all round solution maybe for both parties to terminate the contract by mutual agreement.I know some will say this is speculation and you are correct,but the fact is he has`nt played yet and there are no indications to the contrary.I would love to see him play every game,but it does`nt look like that is going to happen.It is vital all the team are ready to give all to their team mates.UTA
VegasSeagull
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4:46pm Tue 4 Sep 12
With regards to the comments on rotating the players I think it will largely depend on how Gus sets up the team for any given match.
If Gus chooses two up front against team A but only one up front gainst team B, then some rotation might take place. We have options this year that we have not had before and the main option we have is how we line up rather than who with.
Back five (including keeper) remains the same unless injury strikes, but do Bridge and Bruno acts as wing backs in every game or do they stay at home if Gus has altered the pattern in midfield.
We are a squad and I think the players know that. Cup games will see changes as will injuries but I can't see regular rotation of the players for rotations sake. I don't think you play someone just because they didn't play for the last couple of weeks. I doubt there will be many games when at least two subs will be used.
Too many Harveys
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4:52pm Tue 4 Sep 12
VegasSeagull
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5:03pm Tue 4 Sep 12
I get your point re other clubs adapting to us rather than we to them but changing up our game will keep the oppo manager guessing. If you look at who we now have on the books Gus could name the same eleven two weeks in a row but have three options as to the pattern.
The good thing about having a great bench is that even more options become available. Let's say that we play the bottom team and win 3-0, next week we have the top team, do we put out the same team or do we consider the raised dangers from a better team. Are we at home to the top club or away, did we put out our strongest team in the cup match we have played the week before or did we make one or two changes for that match.
So many variables for Gus to consider. Rotation no, strategic changes yes.
dave from bexill
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5:04pm Tue 4 Sep 12
VegasSeagull
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5:13pm Tue 4 Sep 12
I have just gone through it again and I am sure that there is more to this article than a first or even a second read suggests.
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VegasSeagull
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5:48pm Tue 4 Sep 12
VegasSeagull wrote:"We are going to Love Dobbie"
This article warrants at least three readings, take point by point and consider what Gus is saying, and not only the points but the order in which he gave them to us. I have just gone through it again and I am sure that there is more to this article than a first or even a second read suggests. .
"He will be an instant hit"
The way we loved Vicente and he was also an instant hit, suggests natural replacement as an object of fan adoration.
"Dobbie turned down other clubs."
I guess we can call getting Dobbie a coup considering the desire of the other clubs to get him. When we got Vicente that too was considered a coup.
"Seized the chance to get him on a three year contract."
"Doubts over Vicente's fitness."
Really, a three year contract to cover a fitness question hanging over a player with just this season left on his conract.
"We have been waiting."
"He could be training but Gus doesn't know what is going to happen."
What is it Gus doesn't know. Medics say yes or no to fitness as does his movement on the training field. The only variable with regards to, "what's going to happen," is the player's mental state.
A repeat of the statement, "the fans are going to love him."
"He has the qualities of Vicente, Bruno and Bridge."
So he is the replacement for Vicente and not cover, he has the desired qualities to be his replacement. The buzz we all felt when signing Vicente, Bruno and Bridge can now be applied to the signing of Dobbie.
Gus is either telling us that Vicente will go or he is making it clear to Vicente that he is no longer the vital playmaker he was last season. Shape up or ship out.
I think Gus is preparing the ground for when the day comes that we are told that Vicente has gone never to return.
Hovite
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5:50pm Tue 4 Sep 12
VegasSeagull wrote:Vegas, I find these flippant comments insulting to the Brighton player, especially if he were to read it. Have another read of it yourself and read between your own lines.
No time for sentiment, not now, not this year.
I am not buying the, ' injury niggle,' story, there is something else wrong and it needs to be sorted now.
If injuries are the reason for Vicente not playing, and his recovery continues to drag on, then cut him loose now.
If there are other reasons, reasons of apersonal nature, cut him loose now.
I doubt that we will ever have a squad such as the one now assembled that would be more capable of getting us promoted. Brighton can't carry dead wood and right now that is what Vicente is. I mean no disrespect to the man, I respect his pedigree and his talent but all that counts for nothing if he is not available to play.
Sentiment is for when a player leaves a club, it has no place in the fight for promotion.
I doubt that there is a better medical set up than the one we have at Brighton, top facility with top people within it and Vicente is out for weeks with a, "slight injury," I am not buying it.
Do what you know you have to do Gus, cut the guy loose now and use his wages to play for our loan player. Money is important, a few more quid and we would have lost CMS.
A three legged greyhound might display talent in still being able to run but would you back him in a race at Hove, I think not.
It's time to say goodbye and thank him for his services.
In pre season Vicente got smashed up playing Dagenham and Redbridge.
An opinion would be; I think Vicente may be on his way out. However verbally putting a knife in the player back different!
born again seagull
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5:51pm Tue 4 Sep 12
VegasSeagull wrote:Just read it this once (just got in) and with my glass half full head on, GP suggests to me that cover is needed for Vicente so we now have great back up in Dobbie, who will probably play more than Vicente. I really hope that the negative assumptions on here are going to be prooved wrong, as they were last year.
This article warrants at least three readings, take point by point and consider what Gus is saying, and not only the points but the order in which he gave them to us.
I have just gone through it again and I am sure that there is more to this article than a first or even a second read suggests.
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Hovite
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5:52pm Tue 4 Sep 12
fairweathersupporter
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6:04pm Tue 4 Sep 12
fairweathersupporter
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6:09pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Hovite
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6:12pm Tue 4 Sep 12
; Though I must admit I never did like his cakes.
IRISHGULL
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6:19pm Tue 4 Sep 12
PressBoxTeaBoy
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6:24pm Tue 4 Sep 12
the herbster
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6:46pm Tue 4 Sep 12
namgo49
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6:52pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Gibseagull wrote:My slightly anecdotal information is that Vicente is the best paid player in the squad at something like 1 mill euros a year, to use his local currency.
tooncgull wrote:I agree with this + the way to get the most and the best out of Vicente is to play him as an impact sub because we all know the impact he can have. That way we'll protect him a bit and so get more games and maximum benefit from him - and what a bench we're gonna have!!
Why are people writing off Vicente for us now? Have I missed a meeting? I thought he was just injured again, as he was quite often last season.. no need to assume that he's on his way out, surely.
Unless there has been a definite development that Ive missed somewhere.
You have to be hard headed and say what are we getting for that amount of money and what are we likely to get before his contract runs off? Answer, in all probability, very little.
For everyone's sake he needs to go home and perhaps it can be sorted out with the Spanish club that wanted him in the summer to take over his contract.
The club has tried very hard to make it work with very little success
dave from bexill
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6:55pm Tue 4 Sep 12
dave from bexill
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7:01pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Going back to an earlier piece on here, if I may, I met the late Mike Bamber once, briefly and I know he would have been chuffed to bits to see the Amex and whats happened to our team of late.
Great man who tried to follow his dream
gordongull
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7:02pm Tue 4 Sep 12
If he gets fit and plays, fine.
If he remains in the treatment room, tough.
If he goes home, good luck to him.
End of.
dave from bexill
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7:02pm Tue 4 Sep 12
dave from bexill
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7:06pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Hovite
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7:08pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Gordon, yep exactly. No point writing a dramatised musical theatre production about him. It is as simple as you said and easy on the keyboard.
Conelli98
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7:31pm Tue 4 Sep 12
VegasSeagull
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7:33pm Tue 4 Sep 12
I so want the wizard to be out on the field leaving opposition defenders spell bound, I honestly do.
I would ask you, how long can we expect Gus to wait before acting. How long does the club continue to pay his wages and get nothing in return.
So far he has not started a game, how many more games will he miss. We are winning now, if he gets fit do we change the team to accomodate him or do we leave him out, bench him.
The last time he left the bench he was recovered from his injury, why else would Gus put such an asset on the bench, ten or twenty minutes later he was injured again and we haven't seen him since.
How long can that continue and what good is it for the club if it does continue.
As I said I hope that you get to call me a muppet, which you probably will having read this posting, but that's cool.
meaty loaf
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7:35pm Tue 4 Sep 12
the herbster wrote:No need for the racist language herbster. I'm surprised and disappointed that the Argus hasn't picked up on your inappropriate and misguided use of the "N" word and censored your post.
Very differcult this, what do you do.Do you tell probably the best footballer ever to wear a Brighton & Hove Albion shirt that we no longer need him or do you stand by him and hope that these 'niggerling injuries' go away once and for all.I for one think he is worth waiting for because i think the world of him and a fit Vincente could well be the difference between a top 2 or a top 6 postion.
Willie, Willie Irvine
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7:43pm Tue 4 Sep 12
gordongull wrote:He says, being drawn into the Vicente debate....
I'm not going to be drawn into the Vicente debate again this season.
If he gets fit and plays, fine.
If he remains in the treatment room, tough.
If he goes home, good luck to him.
End of.
Willie, Willie Irvine
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7:46pm Tue 4 Sep 12
VegasSeagull
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7:46pm Tue 4 Sep 12
meaty loaf wrote:I don't think any intent was meant Meatloaf, I htink the author simply does not know how to spell niggleing and I am not sure that I do either. I htink he used it as a verb rather than a noun.
the herbster wrote: Very differcult this, what do you do.Do you tell probably the best footballer ever to wear a Brighton & Hove Albion shirt that we no longer need him or do you stand by him and hope that these 'niggerling injuries' go away once and for all.I for one think he is worth waiting for because i think the world of him and a fit Vincente could well be the difference between a top 2 or a top 6 postion.No need for the racist language herbster. I'm surprised and disappointed that the Argus hasn't picked up on your inappropriate and misguided use of the "N" word and censored your post.
VegasSeagull
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7:47pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Alfie T
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7:59pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:Like it Willie,very amusing.
gordongull wrote:He says, being drawn into the Vicente debate....
I'm not going to be drawn into the Vicente debate again this season.
If he gets fit and plays, fine.
If he remains in the treatment room, tough.
If he goes home, good luck to him.
End of.
gordongull
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8:00pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Willie, Willie Irvine wrote::)
Just pulling your leg Gordon. It's good to talk...
Hovite
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8:18pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Your post is really disrespectful to the player and the club. Deadwood, cut him loose now, I am not buying the injury, 3 legged Greyhound. It's time to say goodbye and thank him for his services.
But to answer some of your questions;
Q: How long can we expect Gus to wait before acting?
A: I don’t expect Gus to do anything on my behalf or even give him a schedule for any decisions.
Q: How long does the club continue to pay his wages and get nothing in return.
A: I don’t care, it’s not my money.
Q: We are winning now, if he gets fit do we change the team to accommodate him or do we leave him out, bench him?
A: Nothing to do with me, it’s a good problem for Gus to have.
As Gordon says, now he has been drawn into the Vicente debate;
If he gets fit and plays, fine.
If he remains in the treatment room, tough.
If he goes home, good luck to him.
End of.
Sorry Gordon
Any questions to me Vegas, please do it in a list form.
pte
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8:28pm Tue 4 Sep 12
As Dobbie is being built up in the media (The Argus) as being able to play the Vincente role, my guess is Vincente will be quitely allowed to go back to Spain where he really wants to be.
It was right to hang onto him before the new recruits but now with all the new signings is he so vital now?
meaty loaf
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8:38pm Tue 4 Sep 12
VegasSeagull wrote:I did realise Vegas but I couldn't resist the opportunity to take the p. I did not think anyone would take me seriously but in your case I'm prepared to make an exeption. After all that time spent in the States your sense of irony will have inevitably taken a turn for the worse. Incidentally you also seem to have a slight problem with the "n" word as you appear to have inserted an unnecessary "e" unless that's how they spell it over there. By the way did you give an update on your fridge freezer delivery because if you did I seem to have missed it. I've been losing sleep over it. Did it all go smoothly?
meaty loaf wrote:I don't think any intent was meant Meatloaf, I htink the author simply does not know how to spell niggleing and I am not sure that I do either. I htink he used it as a verb rather than a noun.the herbster wrote: Very differcult this, what do you do.Do you tell probably the best footballer ever to wear a Brighton & Hove Albion shirt that we no longer need him or do you stand by him and hope that these 'niggerling injuries' go away once and for all.I for one think he is worth waiting for because i think the world of him and a fit Vincente could well be the difference between a top 2 or a top 6 postion.No need for the racist language herbster. I'm surprised and disappointed that the Argus hasn't picked up on your inappropriate and misguided use of the "N" word and censored your post.
Billyboyarnold
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8:39pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Hovite
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8:52pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Bucket feet Duffy
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9:08pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Billyboyarnold
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9:17pm Tue 4 Sep 12
Rob_in_Tulsa
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10:50pm Tue 4 Sep 12
hannover seagull
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11:01pm Tue 4 Sep 12
We have the best defence in the league and Gus will flood midfield with so much talent that we could only have dreamed about a few seasons ago
Options on both wings(Buckley and Kaz will surprise a lot of people this season)
Goals will come from all over the place this year and if CMS stays with
us 20 plus is realistic
So many new recruits who would like to pick the team?
UTA.............
VegasSeagull
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11:27pm Tue 4 Sep 12
meaty loaf wrote:So glad you asked about the FF. Would you beleive it the SOB started working again all on it's own, three days dead and then back to life, kinda biblical don't ya think.
VegasSeagull wrote:I did realise Vegas but I couldn't resist the opportunity to take the p. I did not think anyone would take me seriously but in your case I'm prepared to make an exeption. After all that time spent in the States your sense of irony will have inevitably taken a turn for the worse. Incidentally you also seem to have a slight problem with the "n" word as you appear to have inserted an unnecessary "e" unless that's how they spell it over there. By the way did you give an update on your fridge freezer delivery because if you did I seem to have missed it. I've been losing sleep over it. Did it all go smoothly?meaty loaf wrote:I don't think any intent was meant Meatloaf, I htink the author simply does not know how to spell niggleing and I am not sure that I do either. I htink he used it as a verb rather than a noun.the herbster wrote: Very differcult this, what do you do.Do you tell probably the best footballer ever to wear a Brighton & Hove Albion shirt that we no longer need him or do you stand by him and hope that these 'niggerling injuries' go away once and for all.I for one think he is worth waiting for because i think the world of him and a fit Vincente could well be the difference between a top 2 or a top 6 postion.No need for the racist language herbster. I'm surprised and disappointed that the Argus hasn't picked up on your inappropriate and misguided use of the "N" word and censored your post.
Well we lost all the food but we have a new machine now and everything is cool, excuse the pun.
Waiting of the air con work to be completed now, should happen tomorrow.
VegasSeagull
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11:40pm Tue 4 Sep 12
We can't buy, window closed, so we must be looking at loan deals. We know Gus was looking for a target man whilst the window was open so I am wondering, perhaps someone on his short list, someone that we couldn't afford or his club didn't want to sell, might come to us.
I guess the center back player will come knowing that he is cover and will be prepared to fight for his place. .
ballantrrae
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12:36am Wed 5 Sep 12
VegasSeagull wrote:Hovite I don't think that either Rolivan or I were seriously expecting BHA to be able to arrange a 'swap' deal with a Premiership club although stramger things have been known to happen like Vicente joining us in the first place.
ballantrrae wrote:There is no chance of a prem deal for Vicente, his fitness issues and or other issues would rule that out.
rolivan wrote: Maybe we could loan Vicente to a Premiership Club in exchange for Striker.Hows Cahors Ballantrae?Cahors is great Rolivan. I have been coming here for 20 years now and I am sure the wine is much better than it was then. The ''Black wines' of Cahors are still udervalued (I'm pleased to say) and are actually deserving of a higher profile rather like our great football club 'the Albion'. I like your idea of loaning Vicente to a Premiership Club. I wonder if Poyet with his Chelsea connections could arrange something appropriate such as Sturridge joining us (dreaming). Changing tack I was pleased to see that Kuszczak has been called up by Poland. It just goes to show what can happen to players if they join the Seagulls !
I would suggest that a possible loan swap deal might be possible with a spanish club.
However your idea of a swap deal with a Spanish club might actually have legs.
meaty loaf
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12:50am Wed 5 Sep 12
VegasSeagull wrote:This really won't do. First it was racist language that I had to contend with and now Blasphemy. How dare you compare your fridge freezer to our Lord Jesus Christ? I can picture the scene when you heard the miraculous humming of your fridge freezer for the first time in three days, "I am the Resurrection....." you exclaim in wonderment. You open the fridge door in anticipation, "..and the Light" you cry.
meaty loaf wrote:So glad you asked about the FF. Would you beleive it the SOB started working again all on it's own, three days dead and then back to life, kinda biblical don't ya think. Well we lost all the food but we have a new machine now and everything is cool, excuse the pun. Waiting of the air con work to be completed now, should happen tomorrow.VegasSeagull wrote:I did realise Vegas but I couldn't resist the opportunity to take the p. I did not think anyone would take me seriously but in your case I'm prepared to make an exeption. After all that time spent in the States your sense of irony will have inevitably taken a turn for the worse. Incidentally you also seem to have a slight problem with the "n" word as you appear to have inserted an unnecessary "e" unless that's how they spell it over there. By the way did you give an update on your fridge freezer delivery because if you did I seem to have missed it. I've been losing sleep over it. Did it all go smoothly?meaty loaf wrote:I don't think any intent was meant Meatloaf, I htink the author simply does not know how to spell niggleing and I am not sure that I do either. I htink he used it as a verb rather than a noun.the herbster wrote: Very differcult this, what do you do.Do you tell probably the best footballer ever to wear a Brighton & Hove Albion shirt that we no longer need him or do you stand by him and hope that these 'niggerling injuries' go away once and for all.I for one think he is worth waiting for because i think the world of him and a fit Vincente could well be the difference between a top 2 or a top 6 postion.No need for the racist language herbster. I'm surprised and disappointed that the Argus hasn't picked up on your inappropriate and misguided use of the "N" word and censored your post.
ballantrrae
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12:58am Wed 5 Sep 12
ballantrrae wrote:Apologies Hovite, my post should have been addressed to VegasSeagull.
VegasSeagull wrote:Hovite I don't think that either Rolivan or I were seriously expecting BHA to be able to arrange a 'swap' deal with a Premiership club although stramger things have been known to happen like Vicente joining us in the first place.
ballantrrae wrote:There is no chance of a prem deal for Vicente, his fitness issues and or other issues would rule that out.
rolivan wrote: Maybe we could loan Vicente to a Premiership Club in exchange for Striker.Hows Cahors Ballantrae?Cahors is great Rolivan. I have been coming here for 20 years now and I am sure the wine is much better than it was then. The ''Black wines' of Cahors are still udervalued (I'm pleased to say) and are actually deserving of a higher profile rather like our great football club 'the Albion'. I like your idea of loaning Vicente to a Premiership Club. I wonder if Poyet with his Chelsea connections could arrange something appropriate such as Sturridge joining us (dreaming). Changing tack I was pleased to see that Kuszczak has been called up by Poland. It just goes to show what can happen to players if they join the Seagulls !
I would suggest that a possible loan swap deal might be possible with a spanish club.
However your idea of a swap deal with a Spanish club might actually have legs.
Whatever happens to Vicente I am sure Poyet and the club will do what they think is in the best interests of all parties.
albionfan33
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6:49am Wed 5 Sep 12
Bish May Turn
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7:15am Wed 5 Sep 12
albionfan33 wrote:Beats me albionfan44..
why over a year on do fans still insist on calling vicente "VINCENTE"? i find that very disrespectful.
PittaPatta
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8:56am Wed 5 Sep 12
albionfan33 wrote:Why, after more years than most people on here have lived, do people still call Harry Webb "Cliff Richards", when it's always been "Cliff Richard"?
why over a year on do fans still insist on calling vicente "VINCENTE"? i find that very disrespectful.
dave from bexill
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9:06am Wed 5 Sep 12
albionfan33 wrote:ha ha, nice one
why over a year on do fans still insist on calling vicente "VINCENTE"? i find that very disrespectful.
tooncgull
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12:59pm Wed 5 Sep 12
Rob_in_Tulsa wrote:I was in South Africa for the same period... like me, you would have watched the FA Cup Final through the SA media perspective of it being the "Gary Bailey Show". That really p-ed me off! Especially as he saved Smith's last minute effort....
That was some fun reading you lot "niggling" at each other.. some fairly lively debates going on there with some good humour in the mix too.. this is what its all about.. GOOD times at the Albion.. alas its like when I was living in South Africa in the late 70's and early 80's when we reached the heady heights of the 1st Div and an FA cup final.. its looking more and more like those days are on their way back again and here I am living now in the good old USA but thanking modern technology for bringing the game a lot closer to us abroad.. maybe live video streams of ALL games will become standard in the future!
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9:44am Tue 4 Sep 12