Macca a doubt but Bruno on course to face Birmingham (From The Argus)

Good news hopefully on Bruno. CMS out is a shame but will be good to see what Dobbie can do when trusted from the start as his cameos so far haven't really taught us anything. He'll certainly need a run at Lancing tonight to get some match practice but needs to be careful not to get injured as well - if he does we can always play like Spain with a 6 man midfield!

Although I would be happy to see the pair of the return I am more releived that Bruno is likely to. Keeping the defence in tact is most essential. The forward line can be rejigged a lot easier. Stop the opposition from scoring and we have a good chance of a goal or two especially with Bruno attacking down the wing.

Look at Macca in the picture, looks like he could do with a big cuddle, bless. Well, I'll be gutted if he is not fit for Brum on Saturday, such hard work marking and covering him, his movement is much improved from last season. I'm sure he will be desperate to play, if not how about.
TK
Bruno/Calde El abd Greer Bridge
Buckley, Hammond, Bridcutt,Lua Lua
Dobbie, Barnes.?

Although both players have made massive contributions so far this season, I agree that on paper CMS looks easier to replace than Bruno - but it will still be a shame if he doesn't make it. The thought of Dobbie being on from the kick-off sounds quite enticing and I'm sure he'd make the most of the chance - he's certainly got the tricks and skills necessary to make an impact against Birmingham. Otherwise, why not give Toby a break, or even stick Harley up front if he's fit...

Alfie T wrote:
Look at Macca in the picture, looks like he could do with a big cuddle, bless. Well, I'll be gutted if he is not fit for Brum on Saturday, such hard work marking and covering him, his movement is much improved from last season. I'm sure he will be desperate to play, if not how about.
TK
Bruno/Calde El abd Greer Bridge
Buckley, Hammond, Bridcutt,Lua Lua
Dobbie, Barnes.?

Dobbie, top of the diamond, there's goals in that formation, once we're 3 nil up, bring in Crofts for Buckley or Lua Lua.

Alfie T wrote:

Alfie T wrote:
Look at Macca in the picture, looks like he could do with a big cuddle, bless. Well, I'll be gutted if he is not fit for Brum on Saturday, such hard work marking and covering him, his movement is much improved from last season. I'm sure he will be desperate to play, if not how about.
TK
Bruno/Calde El abd Greer Bridge
Buckley, Hammond, Bridcutt,Lua Lua
Dobbie, Barnes.?

Dobbie, top of the diamond, there's goals in that formation, once we're 3 nil up, bring in Crofts for Buckley or Lua Lua.

I think Gus will rest CMS anyway even if he is so called match fit
Two minor hamstring injuries in succession can soon lead to a major one and he is just to valuable to us to risk so early on in the season
Maybe we will see Buckley and Kaz behind Dobbie and Barnes just a thought anyway its getting very interesting all the same
Whatever, we have enough to win this game

UTA.................
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Alfie T wrote:
Look at Macca in the picture, looks like he could do with a big cuddle, bless. Well, I'll be gutted if he is not fit for Brum on Saturday, such hard work marking and covering him, his movement is much improved from last season. I'm sure he will be desperate to play, if not how about.
TK
Bruno/Calde El abd Greer Bridge
Buckley, Hammond, Bridcutt,Lua Lua
Dobbie, Barnes.?

You know Gus won't play Buckley and Lua Lua from the start in the same match! :-)

If CMS isn't fit then I would bet that Gus starts with Barnes up front.

How about the christmas tree formation?
Kuz
Bruno, Greer, El abd, Bridge
Crofts, Bridcutt, Hammond
Buckley, Lua lua
Dobbie/Barnes

Lots of solidity at the back and massive attacking intent.

Uta

Oh and a bench of Lopez, Orlandi, Dicker, Ank, Calde, Dobbie/Barnes and Toby.

Alfie T wrote:

Alfie T wrote:
Look at Macca in the picture, looks like he could do with a big cuddle, bless. Well, I'll be gutted if he is not fit for Brum on Saturday, such hard work marking and covering him, his movement is much improved from last season. I'm sure he will be desperate to play, if not how about.
TK
Bruno/Calde El abd Greer Bridge
Buckley, Hammond, Bridcutt,Lua Lua
Dobbie, Barnes.?

Dobbie, top of the diamond, there's goals in that formation, once we're 3 nil up, bring in Crofts for Buckley or Lua Lua.

Alfie T I think Poyet will select Orlandi to start ahead of LuaLua with the latter coming of the bench with Crofts as impact subs.
I agree that Poyet will probably start with Barnes up front with Dobbie in the supporting strikers role.
I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Poyet started with Lopez on the right with Buckley on the left in place of Orlandi thus reviving the Bridges/Buckley double act that apparently worked well against Watford.
Regarding CMS I think Hannover Seagull is right about resting him if there is even the slightest doubt about his fitness for all the reasons he gives plus the fact that Barnes is only one booking away from an automatic suspension.
What we don't want is both CMS and Barnes out at the same time - we have the Ipswich game on Tuesday to consider as well. I am assuming that Hosko is still not fit enough to be factored in yet.
Perhaps it's because of situations like this that Poyet still wants to sign a target man. At least now we have more options than we did last year.
Comments anyone ?

TK
Bruno, El Abd, Greer,Bridge
Bridcutt, Buckley, orlandi, hammond
Barnes, Dobs.
Brum will be fired up after saturdays Sky humiliation, but reckon we will have too much for them still, 2-1 Albion. 6 on the trot

The Real Ryfish wrote:

Alfie T wrote:
Look at Macca in the picture, looks like he could do with a big cuddle, bless. Well, I'll be gutted if he is not fit for Brum on Saturday, such hard work marking and covering him, his movement is much improved from last season. I'm sure he will be desperate to play, if not how about.
TK
Bruno/Calde El abd Greer Bridge
Buckley, Hammond, Bridcutt,Lua Lua
Dobbie, Barnes.?

You know Gus won't play Buckley and Lua Lua from the start in the same match! :-)

Has Lua Lua ever played a ninety minute game in the Championship since we came up? I cannot recall it but I stand to be corrected. For me, he is an impact sub, albeit very effective but I am not convinced over a full game.

Like to see Dobbie and Lopez given a go from the start.

ballantrrae wrote:

Alfie T wrote:

Alfie T wrote:
Look at Macca in the picture, looks like he could do with a big cuddle, bless. Well, I'll be gutted if he is not fit for Brum on Saturday, such hard work marking and covering him, his movement is much improved from last season. I'm sure he will be desperate to play, if not how about.
TK
Bruno/Calde El abd Greer Bridge
Buckley, Hammond, Bridcutt,Lua Lua
Dobbie, Barnes.?

Dobbie, top of the diamond, there's goals in that formation, once we're 3 nil up, bring in Crofts for Buckley or Lua Lua.

Alfie T I think Poyet will select Orlandi to start ahead of LuaLua with the latter coming of the bench with Crofts as impact subs.
I agree that Poyet will probably start with Barnes up front with Dobbie in the supporting strikers role.
I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Poyet started with Lopez on the right with Buckley on the left in place of Orlandi thus reviving the Bridges/Buckley double act that apparently worked well against Watford.
Regarding CMS I think Hannover Seagull is right about resting him if there is even the slightest doubt about his fitness for all the reasons he gives plus the fact that Barnes is only one booking away from an automatic suspension.
What we don't want is both CMS and Barnes out at the same time - we have the Ipswich game on Tuesday to consider as well. I am assuming that Hosko is still not fit enough to be factored in yet.
Perhaps it's because of situations like this that Poyet still wants to sign a target man. At least now we have more options than we did last year.
Comments anyone ?

Spot on comments

Yes, if any doubt over CMS he must not be risked. As Ballantrrae says we don't want him in danger of being out long term. Barnes could well get his fianal yellow card on Saturday so hopefully CMS will be fit for Ipswich. Only seven games in and Gus I am sure will utilise his players accordingly bearing in mind fitness, suspensions and of course the opposition. Regardless of who plays Saturday I am sure we have enough class available to get another 3 points.

Real shame that CMS should pick up a knock after such a spectacular start to the season. I think his absence would be a major blow but agree with the above comments that it's better to be safe than sorry, particularly with a hamstring injury. Hope I'm wrong but he may well be out for two or three weeks.

The Real Ryfish wrote:

Alfie T wrote:
Look at Macca in the picture, looks like he could do with a big cuddle, bless. Well, I'll be gutted if he is not fit for Brum on Saturday, such hard work marking and covering him, his movement is much improved from last season. I'm sure he will be desperate to play, if not how about.
TK
Bruno/Calde El abd Greer Bridge
Buckley, Hammond, Bridcutt,Lua Lua
Dobbie, Barnes.?

You know Gus won't play Buckley and Lua Lua from the start in the same match! :-)

True, but we were flaky last season, this side defensively is currently the best in the division, with both wingers starting and Hammond and Dobbie supporting, we could be out of sight in the first 30 minutes.

bruce beckett wrote:
Real shame that CMS should pick up a knock after such a spectacular start to the season. I think his absence would be a major blow but agree with the above comments that it's better to be safe than sorry, particularly with a hamstring injury. Hope I'm wrong but he may well be out for two or three weeks.

Fortunately there is another 'International break' coming up after the Derby game on Saturday week (Oct 6).
This should firstly provide the time for all our walking wounded ie CMS, Bruno, Hoskins and dare I say it Vicente to get fit.
Secondly it would provide more time for the new signings like Dobbie and Lopez who we haven't seen much of to become more fully intergrated into the Albion playing style.
It also presents Poyet with the opportunity that if we can sign the target man he wants by the Derby game to integrate any such player into the playing style as well.

Thank god Brunos ok far far the best player we have at the moment.

Camicus wrote:
Thank god Brunos ok far far the best player we have at the moment.

A little unfair on Kush,Elabd,Bridge,Br
idcutt,Greer,Hammond
,Buckley,CMS,Crofts,
Barnes,etc etc...

Bruno should only play if he is 100%. He is so important he should not be risked, especially when we have fantastic player like Calderon to come in. The same with CMS, play thosewho are fit, don't risk long term injuries.

Alreet guys...... tonight Channel More4, 'Birds, Balls & Brighton' should be a good watch on tv, an insight into our club. 22:05 start.
For those who are interested.

Birmingham City team will need to show great commitment - after their dreadful showing last Saturday. The match against them will be physical and we will need players who are fit and able to deal with it.
I favour Dobie to start - and Barnes to lead the line (if he can keep his temper!)
UTA

OK I'll bite the bullet "VICENTE" is he still a Brighton player?
It is becoming a little ridicules to have to waste money on him if he is not going to play.
And what news about an additional forward that we where looking for, even on loan?

Rhodes unless you are willing to be held up to ridicule do not mention Vicente, do not look forward or offer any forward looking opinions.
Do not post more than two or three times a day, two if you can manage it.
Do not offer an opinion on the previous match and or singular players performances, unless you were there.
Do not offer too many statistics or you will be advised to, 'get a life.' If requested to do so be able to confirm that you are where you say you are.

To your point, yeah he is a player on the books, he just doesn't play right now. Gus tells us thet he should rejoin the squad for training after the Birmingham game. How long after that game we don't know. A period of time will be required once he does get back to full training, to get fit again. He will then need a period of time to get, match fit. If he can get through all that without sustaining yet further injuries, we might see him take the field sometime in late october early november, maybe, you know, possibly, I mean it could happen.


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So Dobbie gets a run out with the DV squad but Lopez does not, I suppose that means no starting place for Lopez.

This post contains supposition and speculation, I declare this to save the old grannies on here from doing so.

Cluck cluck

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
OK I'll bite the bullet "VICENTE" is he still a Brighton player?
It is becoming a little ridicules to have to waste money on him if he is not going to play.
And what news about an additional forward that we where looking for, even on loan?

The Club are still looking for a suitable player but with Dobbie already signed (different type of player I know) there is no rush. Poyet wants to get the 'right' player in.
As I have said before the saga is becoming a bit like searching for the 'Holy Grail' Seriously I think the Albion are right to be choosy.
Last year we didn't have the options we have now. Just think what a disaster it would have been if we had signed Billy Paynter permanently both for the club and the player.
Re Vicente he needs careful managing. Personally I think he would be best used as an impact sub that way he might play in alot more games than he did last season. Mark you we need to get him on the pitch first.

For me there is only one way to approach our next match, send out a team that can run up a cricket score.
I would have Lopez play with Dobbie in the DV squad match, have both on the park come saturday.
Barnes up front Dobbie just behind. A killer midfield of Lopez, Hammond, Bridcutt and Buckley. Back five as is withthe fall backs encourage to raid.

Brighton are streets ahead of Birmingham right now and if we can bang in a hatfull those extra goals might make the difference at the end of the season.

I think Gus would have rested CMS even without injury, a rest on the bench.

With the form we are in and the dreadfull form Birmingham are in at the moment we should go out and crush, break their spirits and the hearts of their fans.

This post looks forward to the end of the season, in part. This post contains opinions, supposition, conjecture and speculation. This post is not nice to Birmingham. This is my third post in a short space of time.

Cluck cluck.

From the long distance of Australia I have to confess that the Vicente "drama" seems to go on and on and on - if he played as many games and there are posts about him he would be more than match fit - as it is there are plenty of posts but precious little else. Lucky we hae the strength in the squad that makes him less vital than last season

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
OK I'll bite the bullet "VICENTE" is he still a Brighton player?
It is becoming a little ridicules to have to waste money on him if he is not going to play.
And what news about an additional forward that we where looking for, even on loan?

Yes, but he's injured. Same as Hoskins and Harley - do you think we should get rid of them?

What about CMS? He'll be out for a bit, let's chop him in, shall we?

All I can say is that it's a good job fans on message boards don't run football clubs...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Rhodes unless you are willing to be held up to ridicule do not mention Vicente, do not look forward or offer any forward looking opinions.
Do not post more than two or three times a day, two if you can manage it.
Do not offer an opinion on the previous match and or singular players performances, unless you were there.
Do not offer too many statistics or you will be advised to, 'get a life.' If requested to do so be able to confirm that you are where you say you are.

To your point, yeah he is a player on the books, he just doesn't play right now. Gus tells us thet he should rejoin the squad for training after the Birmingham game. How long after that game we don't know. A period of time will be required once he does get back to full training, to get fit again. He will then need a period of time to get, match fit. If he can get through all that without sustaining yet further injuries, we might see him take the field sometime in late october early november, maybe, you know, possibly, I mean it could happen.


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'Vegas', I like your posts a lot but don't get too precious, me old mate. You have to be able to take it and dish it out sometimes on these threads. You seem wise enough to sus out which comments to ignore and which to take seriously, imho. Keep them coming, I enjoy a bit of common sense, me, lol.
UTA, what a start to the Season, :0)

ballantrrae wrote:

Rhodes Seagull wrote: OK I'll bite the bullet "VICENTE" is he still a Brighton player? It is becoming a little ridicules to have to waste money on him if he is not going to play. And what news about an additional forward that we where looking for, even on loan?

The Club are still looking for a suitable player but with Dobbie already signed (different type of player I know) there is no rush. Poyet wants to get the 'right' player in. As I have said before the saga is becoming a bit like searching for the 'Holy Grail' Seriously I think the Albion are right to be choosy. Last year we didn't have the options we have now. Just think what a disaster it would have been if we had signed Billy Paynter permanently both for the club and the player. Re Vicente he needs careful managing. Personally I think he would be best used as an impact sub that way he might play in alot more games than he did last season. Mark you we need to get him on the pitch first.

"Vicente needs careful managing," but do Brighton need to manage him, careful or other wise.

Who would you drop to make way for him? He is not a striker so CMS and Barnes are safe.
Hammond and Bridcutt have been rock solid during the last few games. Orlandi has been great and Buckly too. Crofts is out right now but has delivered all that has been asked of him.
Look at our bench re midfield and up front, where is the weakness, where is the lack of form. Right now Vicente would be cover for the cover players.

This post is not nice to Vicente. This is my fourth post in a short period of time. This post contains opinions and speculation.

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Wiltshire Seagull.

Thanks mate.

I am ignoring all the old grannies on here, I simply post my disclaimer at the end of each post to save the old dears having to do it themselves. One of the old darlings has been so excited recently that he hasn't been able to post anything, well anything accept for a pop at me. Old age can be painful for some and I pity them so anything I can do to save them doing it I will.

Our start to this season mirrors that of last season.
As much as I would agree that we have a better squad than last year, probably the best we have ever had, I think that the opposition this year is much stronger than last.

Right now teams at or near the top are taking points off each other and that is good for us. Questions will be asked of our squad as we start to meet the upper level of teams, last year we dropped off, this year, maybe we won't but nothing is going to be easy. It will be interesting to see who has dropped out of the top six come the new year.

This is my fifth post of the day and contains opinions, speculation ect. The post also looks forward a few months and mentions some doubts or what might be seen as doubts.

Cluck cluck.

Cabin fever wrote:

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
OK I'll bite the bullet "VICENTE" is he still a Brighton player?
It is becoming a little ridicules to have to waste money on him if he is not going to play.
And what news about an additional forward that we where looking for, even on loan?

Yes, but he's injured. Same as Hoskins and Harley - do you think we should get rid of them?

What about CMS? He'll be out for a bit, let's chop him in, shall we?

All I can say is that it's a good job fans on message boards don't run football clubs...

Cabin Fever I didn't know Harley was injured - he was on the bench a couple of matches ago. Do we know what type of injury he has ?

Cabin fever I am not sure thta you are looking at the Vicente situation in a pragmatic way.

Gus went out and bought or borrowed players on season long deals or better.
If you look at the options for midfield, excluding Vicente, we have quality and quality cover, and the same can be said for up front.
It seems pretty obvious to me that Gus made a decision not to rely on Vicente, he obtained his replacement and has cover for the replacement.

Cabin Fever I would ask this of you, "if," Vicente were not available for the rest of the season, would our squad be weaker than it has been since the first league game of the season?

In your honest opinon have Brighton suffered by not having Vicente available since the first game of the season?

Accepting that the man has fantastic skills, skills not available so far this season, who would you drop to make way for him, drop from the bench I mean as he doesn't look like a 90 minute player. Who would you side line from the 18 or so players that have got us to the top of the division?

This post is not very nice to Vicente. It also has all the other faults previously mentioned.

Cluck cluck.

VegasSeagull wrote:

ballantrrae wrote:

Rhodes Seagull wrote: OK I'll bite the bullet "VICENTE" is he still a Brighton player? It is becoming a little ridicules to have to waste money on him if he is not going to play. And what news about an additional forward that we where looking for, even on loan?

The Club are still looking for a suitable player but with Dobbie already signed (different type of player I know) there is no rush. Poyet wants to get the 'right' player in. As I have said before the saga is becoming a bit like searching for the 'Holy Grail' Seriously I think the Albion are right to be choosy. Last year we didn't have the options we have now. Just think what a disaster it would have been if we had signed Billy Paynter permanently both for the club and the player. Re Vicente he needs careful managing. Personally I think he would be best used as an impact sub that way he might play in alot more games than he did last season. Mark you we need to get him on the pitch first.

"Vicente needs careful managing," but do Brighton need to manage him, careful or other wise.

Who would you drop to make way for him? He is not a striker so CMS and Barnes are safe.
Hammond and Bridcutt have been rock solid during the last few games. Orlandi has been great and Buckly too. Crofts is out right now but has delivered all that has been asked of him.
Look at our bench re midfield and up front, where is the weakness, where is the lack of form. Right now Vicente would be cover for the cover players.

This post is not nice to Vicente. This is my fourth post in a short period of time. This post contains opinions and speculation.

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VegasSeagull as I said in my post I think we should use him as an impact sub possibly for the last 15 minutes of a match in place of Buckley.
The impression I've got from both the Watford and Millwall matches is that Buckley has been great for the first 70-75 minutes but has then faded a little. This has coincided with our defence coming under more pressure in the last 20 minutes in both matches.
Imagine the effect on the mindset of the oppostion if when Buckley went off Vicente came on.
Apart from anything else they might be less attack minded thereby easing any pressure on our defence. Then again Vicente might just produce the killer pass that enables us to score that extra goal to finish a game off as Poyet has said he wants the team to do.
An alternative would be to bring Vicente on at the end of a game in place of Orlandi since both players are first rate in dead ball situations.
Having said all that I am, like a number of others, a bit of a doubting Thomas where Vicente is concerned ie I will believe he is fit when I actually see him on the pitch playing.
The point is that he is a tremendous talent who would add that 'X' factor if we could ever keep him fit.
If we start him in games he will break down but as a super sub we might just get quite alot from him.

Seagulls look as though they may stay top Blackpool 3-1 down.

VegasSeagull wrote:

ballantrrae wrote:

Rhodes Seagull wrote: OK I'll bite the bullet "VICENTE" is he still a Brighton player? It is becoming a little ridicules to have to waste money on him if he is not going to play. And what news about an additional forward that we where looking for, even on loan?

The Club are still looking for a suitable player but with Dobbie already signed (different type of player I know) there is no rush. Poyet wants to get the 'right' player in. As I have said before the saga is becoming a bit like searching for the 'Holy Grail' Seriously I think the Albion are right to be choosy. Last year we didn't have the options we have now. Just think what a disaster it would have been if we had signed Billy Paynter permanently both for the club and the player. Re Vicente he needs careful managing. Personally I think he would be best used as an impact sub that way he might play in alot more games than he did last season. Mark you we need to get him on the pitch first.

"Vicente needs careful managing," but do Brighton need to manage him, careful or other wise.

Who would you drop to make way for him? He is not a striker so CMS and Barnes are safe.
Hammond and Bridcutt have been rock solid during the last few games. Orlandi has been great and Buckly too. Crofts is out right now but has delivered all that has been asked of him.
Look at our bench re midfield and up front, where is the weakness, where is the lack of form. Right now Vicente would be cover for the cover players.

This post is not nice to Vicente. This is my fourth post in a short period of time. This post contains opinions and speculation.

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Vicente, if fit would be in the side, at whose expense is Gus' choice, but he is not going to leave him out if he can play.
He is still the most talented footballer at the club.

Half time tonite Blackpool 1 Huddersfield 2 if it stays like this we are two points clear at top UTA

Baldseagull.
Yeah I know it's the job of Gus to choose who he would leave out to put Vicente in, my question was, who would,'you' leave out.

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48 mins now 3-1 to huddersfield UTA

VegasSeagull wrote:
Baldseagull. Yeah I know it's the job of Gus to choose who he would leave out to put Vicente in, my question was, who would,'you' leave out. .

Forgot to mention, that was the my 7th post of the day, more to come.

Noting the Vicente comments with interest.
I think the frustration over the Vicente saga is that his injuries never seem to be defined and are thus shrouded in mystery. I seem to recall that some weeks ago he was sidelined with a 'niggling injury'. It is clearly some niggle. I wonder when he will be fit?
The frustration is that he is a wonderful player. Having said that, when he is fit, he might have to wait his turn because his absence has not stopped us being top of the table.

Albion's development squad, just won 6-2

"We are top of the League, say we are top of the League", (Still). Wow, "Udders" now second.
Vegas Seagull, you WILL beat the record for most posts on a thread by a mile, lol. UTA for ever...

ballantrrae wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote:

ballantrrae wrote:

Rhodes Seagull wrote: OK I'll bite the bullet "VICENTE" is he still a Brighton player? It is becoming a little ridicules to have to waste money on him if he is not going to play. And what news about an additional forward that we where looking for, even on loan?

The Club are still looking for a suitable player but with Dobbie already signed (different type of player I know) there is no rush. Poyet wants to get the 'right' player in. As I have said before the saga is becoming a bit like searching for the 'Holy Grail' Seriously I think the Albion are right to be choosy. Last year we didn't have the options we have now. Just think what a disaster it would have been if we had signed Billy Paynter permanently both for the club and the player. Re Vicente he needs careful managing. Personally I think he would be best used as an impact sub that way he might play in alot more games than he did last season. Mark you we need to get him on the pitch first.

"Vicente needs careful managing," but do Brighton need to manage him, careful or other wise. Who would you drop to make way for him? He is not a striker so CMS and Barnes are safe. Hammond and Bridcutt have been rock solid during the last few games. Orlandi has been great and Buckly too. Crofts is out right now but has delivered all that has been asked of him. Look at our bench re midfield and up front, where is the weakness, where is the lack of form. Right now Vicente would be cover for the cover players. This post is not nice to Vicente. This is my fourth post in a short period of time. This post contains opinions and speculation. .

VegasSeagull as I said in my post I think we should use him as an impact sub possibly for the last 15 minutes of a match in place of Buckley. The impression I've got from both the Watford and Millwall matches is that Buckley has been great for the first 70-75 minutes but has then faded a little. This has coincided with our defence coming under more pressure in the last 20 minutes in both matches. Imagine the effect on the mindset of the oppostion if when Buckley went off Vicente came on. Apart from anything else they might be less attack minded thereby easing any pressure on our defence. Then again Vicente might just produce the killer pass that enables us to score that extra goal to finish a game off as Poyet has said he wants the team to do. An alternative would be to bring Vicente on at the end of a game in place of Orlandi since both players are first rate in dead ball situations. Having said all that I am, like a number of others, a bit of a doubting Thomas where Vicente is concerned ie I will believe he is fit when I actually see him on the pitch playing. The point is that he is a tremendous talent who would add that 'X' factor if we could ever keep him fit. If we start him in games he will break down but as a super sub we might just get quite alot from him.

Ok so a fit Vicente has a regular spot on the bench and is used as an impact sub, I can see that.

Which sub loses his spot to make room, Kazenga, Lopez, Buckly if he is not starting or maybe you have another, I am obviously thinking of the current or most used 18 as of now.

Post number eight I think, so many I have lost count.

Cluck cluck.

ballantrrae wrote:

Cabin fever wrote:

Rhodes Seagull wrote:
OK I'll bite the bullet "VICENTE" is he still a Brighton player?
It is becoming a little ridicules to have to waste money on him if he is not going to play.
And what news about an additional forward that we where looking for, even on loan?

Yes, but he's injured. Same as Hoskins and Harley - do you think we should get rid of them?

What about CMS? He'll be out for a bit, let's chop him in, shall we?

All I can say is that it's a good job fans on message boards don't run football clubs...

Cabin Fever I didn't know Harley was injured - he was on the bench a couple of matches ago. Do we know what type of injury he has ?

Ah, my mistake, of course he was on the bench. I thought he was still out from a few weeks back when he had a groin injury.

My point still stands with any injured player though...

LAWgull wrote:
48 mins now 3-1 to huddersfield UTA

Well spotted, I was meaning to keep an eye out for that.

Cabin Fever.

It is not a question of getting rid of any player that gets injured, and I am sure you know that.

The question hanging over Vicente, in the minds of some who post on here at least, is does he have a role to play anymore.
Vicente, as far as costs go, is a luxuary right now. His place in the squad has been filled, Gus saw to that himself.
As you know only too well we are short of quality cover at center back and Gus also wants a target man. If either position were able to be filled tomorrow but we lost out due to wages, would the money we are paying Vicente still look like a good investment, considering the fact that he is not playing and at best will be an impact sub when and if he does return to full fitness.
We might well have played some twelve or more games by the time he is fit and we could still be sitting on top of the pile, what do you think it will do morale wise to the player or players that get removed from the bench to make way for an impact sub, even if it is Vicente.

Post number 11 and one which questions the need for Vicente. I should not ask this question, he is the best thing since sliced bread. I should be thankful that we have him. Did I miss anything?

VegasSeagull wrote:

ballantrrae wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote:

ballantrrae wrote:

Rhodes Seagull wrote: OK I'll bite the bullet "VICENTE" is he still a Brighton player? It is becoming a little ridicules to have to waste money on him if he is not going to play. And what news about an additional forward that we where looking for, even on loan?

The Club are still looking for a suitable player but with Dobbie already signed (different type of player I know) there is no rush. Poyet wants to get the 'right' player in. As I have said before the saga is becoming a bit like searching for the 'Holy Grail' Seriously I think the Albion are right to be choosy. Last year we didn't have the options we have now. Just think what a disaster it would have been if we had signed Billy Paynter permanently both for the club and the player. Re Vicente he needs careful managing. Personally I think he would be best used as an impact sub that way he might play in alot more games than he did last season. Mark you we need to get him on the pitch first.

"Vicente needs careful managing," but do Brighton need to manage him, careful or other wise. Who would you drop to make way for him? He is not a striker so CMS and Barnes are safe. Hammond and Bridcutt have been rock solid during the last few games. Orlandi has been great and Buckly too. Crofts is out right now but has delivered all that has been asked of him. Look at our bench re midfield and up front, where is the weakness, where is the lack of form. Right now Vicente would be cover for the cover players. This post is not nice to Vicente. This is my fourth post in a short period of time. This post contains opinions and speculation. .

VegasSeagull as I said in my post I think we should use him as an impact sub possibly for the last 15 minutes of a match in place of Buckley. The impression I've got from both the Watford and Millwall matches is that Buckley has been great for the first 70-75 minutes but has then faded a little. This has coincided with our defence coming under more pressure in the last 20 minutes in both matches. Imagine the effect on the mindset of the oppostion if when Buckley went off Vicente came on. Apart from anything else they might be less attack minded thereby easing any pressure on our defence. Then again Vicente might just produce the killer pass that enables us to score that extra goal to finish a game off as Poyet has said he wants the team to do. An alternative would be to bring Vicente on at the end of a game in place of Orlandi since both players are first rate in dead ball situations. Having said all that I am, like a number of others, a bit of a doubting Thomas where Vicente is concerned ie I will believe he is fit when I actually see him on the pitch playing. The point is that he is a tremendous talent who would add that 'X' factor if we could ever keep him fit. If we start him in games he will break down but as a super sub we might just get quite alot from him.

Ok so a fit Vicente has a regular spot on the bench and is used as an impact sub, I can see that.

Which sub loses his spot to make room, Kazenga, Lopez, Buckly if he is not starting or maybe you have another, I am obviously thinking of the current or most used 18 as of now.

Post number eight I think, so many I have lost count.

Cluck cluck.

To answer your question VegasSeagull I feel confident that Vicente could always be accomodated on the bench.
For most matches we would have a goalkeeper and two defenders on the bench, two midfielders, one of whom would be a winger and we would have one striker. That makes a total of six. The 7th bench choice would vary depending on the opposition and the tactics Poyet envisages using. That 7th choice might well be Vicente.
Of course the bench selections will be affected by what players are injured or suspended and also by what players Poyet wants to rest.
Take the upcoming Birmingham game as an example and lets assume that CMS is not fit but Bruno and Crofts are.
The team could well be Kuszczak, Bruno, Greer, El-Arb, Bridge, Lopez, Hammond, Bridcutt, Buckley, Dobbie, Barnes.
The bench might be Ankergren, Calderon, Dunk, Crofts, Orlandi, LuaLua and Vicente if he were fit (which he won't be) or either Dicker which is most likely or Agdestein.
Any more injuries or any suspensions would make Vicente's availability even more desirable.
Regarding your number of posts most of us have probably lost count as well ! But so long as they are constructive or contain interesting stats as some of your posts do they will, I am sure, be welcomed.
We all get a bit of a rough ride on here from time to time. A year ago when we were also top of the Championship I was referred to as a 'Goon' for suggesting that we needed at least another 3 more players. A year later with 8 new players signed you can see who was reading the tea leaves correctly. So any considered opinion on here is worth posting if you want to. It can lead to a lively debate. .