Bridcutt believes breakaway union would be "big mistake" (From The Argus)

I will go as far to say that I believe that forming an organisation that has exclusivity based on skin color is actually racist in itself. For me, the easiest way to perpetuate division and discrimination is to allow this type of sepratist group to practice.

Liam is right, we are gradually becoming a more enlightened society, dont tep back 30 years with this proposterous proposal.

Agree with Liam,we need to stay together and united.There has been too much ovreaction to the remarks made in the heat of the battle in football matches,even white players call each other horrible names and swear at each other .We should be able to kick and swear at each other then shake hands and forget it after the game and remain friends,(
thats what happened in the old days)ordinary black players dont overeact like i believe Ferdinand and Evera did.Can i also say to Gus,try Lua Lua at centre foreward,he is big strong and fast and has a shot on him,i think it would work.

Sounds like a sensible and level headed guy.
One thing I'm not clear about is how anyone can set up a black only group or organisation without that being blatantly rascist in its own right?

S.O.S. to LUA LUA,make him center foreward and Save Our Season.

I admire LB for standing up and giving his opinion, one which I share. I was disappointed to see that BZ chose not to wear the tee-shirt but each to his own. Others here have already expressed my sentiment that it is divisive and am astonished that such organisations are not classed as racist themselves. Even more astonishing is that there is a black police federation and another for black lawyers. Obviously things are worse than one might imagine. Let's hope the situation continues to improve than descending into the mire we recently saw in Serbia.

A level headed and erudite footballer. - wow!

Whats rather ironic when reading this thread is that all of the acts of racism mentioned have either taken place whilst overseas or on the pitch itself.
As Liam kind of suggests, things seem to have gone too far.
The FA have made a rod for their own back with the way they have handled both the Suarez and Terry cases. If they wanted to set a precedent and show the severity of this situation then perhaps they should not have been so lenient when punishing 2 very high profile players. My advice to the top boys at the FA would be simple... Practice what you preach and try to set an example and do the right thing without worrying about financial repercusssions just for once. Uta

pjwilk wrote:
Agree with Liam,we need to stay together and united.There has been too much ovreaction to the remarks made in the heat of the battle in football matches,even white players call each other horrible names and swear at each other .We should be able to kick and swear at each other then shake hands and forget it after the game and remain friends,(
thats what happened in the old days)ordinary black players dont overeact like i believe Ferdinand and Evera did.Can i also say to Gus,try Lua Lua at centre foreward,he is big strong and fast and has a shot on him,i think it would work.

Interesting how almost all comments made about racism are made by those who have no conception of what it must be like to be on the receiving end of it.
"We should be able to kick and swear at each other then shake hands and forget it after the game and remain friends" An unbelievable statement to make pjwilk in the context of racism. Shame on you.

Are we talking about the same FA who have taken no action whatsoever against Gillingham FC since they were found guilty of rsacial discrimination towards Mark McCammon?
There are standards and there are double standards...........
........

dave from bexill wrote:

pjwilk wrote:
Agree with Liam,we need to stay together and united.There has been too much ovreaction to the remarks made in the heat of the battle in football matches,even white players call each other horrible names and swear at each other .We should be able to kick and swear at each other then shake hands and forget it after the game and remain friends,(
thats what happened in the old days)ordinary black players dont overeact like i believe Ferdinand and Evera did.Can i also say to Gus,try Lua Lua at centre foreward,he is big strong and fast and has a shot on him,i think it would work.

Interesting how almost all comments made about racism are made by those who have no conception of what it must be like to be on the receiving end of it.
"We should be able to kick and swear at each other then shake hands and forget it after the game and remain friends" An unbelievable statement to make pjwilk in the context of racism. Shame on you.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.Have you never said or done something in the heat of an argument or football match that you regret.A sorry and shake hands should sort it,or are you one of those who holds a grudge for years and who wants revenge.Not very Christian.

With such a sensible attitude he is surely a future club captain .

pjwilk wrote:

dave from bexill wrote:

pjwilk wrote:
Agree with Liam,we need to stay together and united.There has been too much ovreaction to the remarks made in the heat of the battle in football matches,even white players call each other horrible names and swear at each other .We should be able to kick and swear at each other then shake hands and forget it after the game and remain friends,(
thats what happened in the old days)ordinary black players dont overeact like i believe Ferdinand and Evera did.Can i also say to Gus,try Lua Lua at centre foreward,he is big strong and fast and has a shot on him,i think it would work.

Interesting how almost all comments made about racism are made by those who have no conception of what it must be like to be on the receiving end of it.
"We should be able to kick and swear at each other then shake hands and forget it after the game and remain friends" An unbelievable statement to make pjwilk in the context of racism. Shame on you.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.Have you never said or done something in the heat of an argument or football match that you regret.A sorry and shake hands should sort it,or are you one of those who holds a grudge for years and who wants revenge.Not very Christian.

Thanks. You've made my point for me. T

Well said Liam Bridcutt,there are far too many over reactions,and equally not enough positive actions against the culprits of such disgusting behaviour.But i cant help wondering how far a seperate union would go,for instance ,if a black player was on the touchline to take a throw in,and is insulted by someone in the crowd,would he and all fellow black players in that match simply walk off the pitch?.Should this be the case,would`nt managers then avoid signing black players in order to avoid,protests and /or even strikes?.Neil Warnock was accused several years ago,when manager at Sheffield Utd,of telling two players to get sent off,as they were already down to nine,and a game is abandoned at seven.This would be a regular occurrence if such measures were considered.Racism is committed by the ignorant and they should be given life bans,to split football players and ultimately supporters as well,is IMHO cutting your nose off to spite your face!.UTA whatever colour!!.

Lets not forget the elderly and the disabled who are verbally abused in this country.Its a tough old world out there,at least footballers are young and fit enough to fight back.

dave from bexill wrote:

pjwilk wrote:

dave from bexill wrote:

pjwilk wrote:
Agree with Liam,we need to stay together and united.There has been too much ovreaction to the remarks made in the heat of the battle in football matches,even white players call each other horrible names and swear at each other .We should be able to kick and swear at each other then shake hands and forget it after the game and remain friends,(
thats what happened in the old days)ordinary black players dont overeact like i believe Ferdinand and Evera did.Can i also say to Gus,try Lua Lua at centre foreward,he is big strong and fast and has a shot on him,i think it would work.

Interesting how almost all comments made about racism are made by those who have no conception of what it must be like to be on the receiving end of it.
"We should be able to kick and swear at each other then shake hands and forget it after the game and remain friends" An unbelievable statement to make pjwilk in the context of racism. Shame on you.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.Have you never said or done something in the heat of an argument or football match that you regret.A sorry and shake hands should sort it,or are you one of those who holds a grudge for years and who wants revenge.Not very Christian.

Thanks. You've made my point for me. T

Totally agree Dave.

Although I agree that setting up a union for black players is not the way forward, it is ignorant to say that this in itself would be a racist act. When the union that is supposed to represent you (PFA) does not represent a significant section of its membership, then it is totally reasonable that this is an option being investigated. By the reasoning of posters on here, gay rights groups would be classed as heterophobic, and the Women's Institute would be anti-man!! (And no - I am not gay!... Or a woman... ;) )

In my part of the world we have black entertainment tv, all the shows are for black actors and the content is skewed toward black viewers. We also have a black music channel run on the same basis. Then there are the black only award shows. These shows/organizations have chosen to be apart from the main stream and the white population has no problem with their choice of action.
Now you also have the regular tv, movies and award shows, if they went, 'white only,' the black community would go to court shouting foul. Black tend to want their cake and eat it too.

If I use the, "N," word toward a black person I would get arrested but if a black uses it toward another black then it's ok, double standards both in personal behaviour and in law.
If a black person gets killed here the first three thinsg the police will look at are, was it drug related, gang related or race related. If a white person gets killed the first three things looked at are the what, where and why elements.

A black only union will not work any better than what exists now because it will start with the premise that black players are victims first and people second. The majority of black civil rights union members all think that they victims and that all blacks are victims, and that isn't true just as not all black players are abused by whites.

The answer to racial problems lies within the law of the land and these laws must be enforced. Education must be used at an early age to stamp out future attacks. Telling a young black footballer aged ten that when he grows up and becomes a professional he needs to join the black union for his own protection just adds to the life expectency of racism.








,

What a sensible and balanced view! Just get on with it and stop over reacting and posturing at the slightest thing! Players will call each other names, black or white in the heat of battle and most will and should shake hands at the end and move on. Rascist attitudes have improved dramatically over the last 20 years and the awful far right activism that charactorised the game over here, are by and large well gone. The issue within this thread is, I believe, taking everything too far for no real reason. It is just part of an overall theme generally, of political correctness going too far. In the Argus last night, we read that the titles "Mr" and "Mrs" may be dropped to satisfy Transgender activists, who believe this forces them to label themselves one way or another.............
.!! Am I the only person who thinks the world has gone insane? I think that I should perhaps leave this planet and live on the moon, although I would not be able to watch the Albion in the process!

heathgate wrote:
I will go as far to say that I believe that forming an organisation that has exclusivity based on skin color is actually racist in itself. For me, the easiest way to perpetuate division and discrimination is to allow this type of sepratist group to practice.

Liam is right, we are gradually becoming a more enlightened society, dont tep back 30 years with this proposterous proposal.

Agree100%.

pjwilk wrote:
Lets not forget the elderly and the disabled who are verbally abused in this country.Its a tough old world out there,at least footballers are young and fit enough to fight back.

Who's forgetting them?

VegasSeagull wrote:
In my part of the world we have black entertainment tv, all the shows are for black actors and the content is skewed toward black viewers. We also have a black music channel run on the same basis. Then there are the black only award shows. These shows/organizations have chosen to be apart from the main stream and the white population has no problem with their choice of action.
Now you also have the regular tv, movies and award shows, if they went, 'white only,' the black community would go to court shouting foul. Black tend to want their cake and eat it too.

If I use the, "N," word toward a black person I would get arrested but if a black uses it toward another black then it's ok, double standards both in personal behaviour and in law.
If a black person gets killed here the first three thinsg the police will look at are, was it drug related, gang related or race related. If a white person gets killed the first three things looked at are the what, where and why elements.

A black only union will not work any better than what exists now because it will start with the premise that black players are victims first and people second. The majority of black civil rights union members all think that they victims and that all blacks are victims, and that isn't true just as not all black players are abused by whites.

The answer to racial problems lies within the law of the land and these laws must be enforced. Education must be used at an early age to stamp out future attacks. Telling a young black footballer aged ten that when he grows up and becomes a professional he needs to join the black union for his own protection just adds to the life expectency of racism.








,

Well said VS, nicely balanced comments to put things in perspective.

albionbloke wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote:
In my part of the world we have black entertainment tv, all the shows are for black actors and the content is skewed toward black viewers. We also have a black music channel run on the same basis. Then there are the black only award shows. These shows/organizations have chosen to be apart from the main stream and the white population has no problem with their choice of action.
Now you also have the regular tv, movies and award shows, if they went, 'white only,' the black community would go to court shouting foul. Black tend to want their cake and eat it too.

If I use the, "N," word toward a black person I would get arrested but if a black uses it toward another black then it's ok, double standards both in personal behaviour and in law.
If a black person gets killed here the first three thinsg the police will look at are, was it drug related, gang related or race related. If a white person gets killed the first three things looked at are the what, where and why elements.

A black only union will not work any better than what exists now because it will start with the premise that black players are victims first and people second. The majority of black civil rights union members all think that they victims and that all blacks are victims, and that isn't true just as not all black players are abused by whites.

The answer to racial problems lies within the law of the land and these laws must be enforced. Education must be used at an early age to stamp out future attacks. Telling a young black footballer aged ten that when he grows up and becomes a professional he needs to join the black union for his own protection just adds to the life expectency of racism.








,

Well said VS, nicely balanced comments to put things in perspective.

Yeah very good post. I agree about the having cake and eating it part. Even though Terry was banned for 4 games, he got a massive fine, and will be disciplined by Chelsea. He was found not guilty in court but got banned for saying what he did, which was right, what he said has no place in society or football.

Unfortunately double standards exist and the FA and Chelsea have been weak because of money. Terry is a commodity and Chelsea have protected their commodity. Terry needs to have the courage to apologise and state what he did was wrong. There is no place for racism in a civilised society. Those that use such terms are generally trying to increase their own self importance as they are rather inadequate individuals.I respeCT Liam and agree we cannot allow these bigots to hijack the game we love. Keep your poisonous views to yourselves and get a life. Let the the beautiful game of football flow.