Poyet fumes after Albion's worst result of season (From The Argus)
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Poyet fumes after Albion's worst result of season
9:30am Monday 12th November 2012 in Albion By Andy Naylor
Albion players are crestfallen after Wolves snatch a point
GUS Poyet has branded Albion’s wasteful draw against ten-man Wolves as their worst result of the season.
Poyet was appalled by his team’s failure to secure all three points in the 3-3 stalemate at Molineux after Wanderers had skipper Karl Henry sent off just before the break.
The Seagulls let in two second-half goals, including an injury-time equaliser, having scored themselves in added time through a Stephen Dobbie penalty. Poyet told The Argus: “A draw was not good enough for us. It was the worst by far in terms of not getting a result, nothing to compare with it. “Not Swindon, Hull, Leicester, Blackpool where we were terrible and got away with it. It was too easy and we didn’t do it.
“It was very, very disappointing.”
Henry was dismissed by referee Scott Mathieson for a tackle on Liam Bridcutt, the fourth time the midfielder has been sent off in as many seasons.
Poyet said: “It was a red card. He (Henry) is a player who normally commits and I like him, I like a strong player.
“Unfortunately for him he was just over the ball. Ask Liam to show you the two shins, not one, both. It was very, very dangerous.”
Albion will assess the fitness today of Wayne Bridge, who was forced off late in the first half.
“Apparently his calf was getting tight,” Poyet said. “I don’t know if it’s an injury or not.”
The Seagulls’ third draw in four unbeaten games kept them in eighth spot, three points behind Saturday’s sixth-placed hosts Huddersfield.
Comments(63)
cvs
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10:16am Mon 12 Nov 12
cvs
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10:17am Mon 12 Nov 12
Willie, Willie Irvine
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10:27am Mon 12 Nov 12
pablobrowno
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10:49am Mon 12 Nov 12
Quite simply if we had some, physical predatory presence up front our goal tally would go off the scale!
pjwilk
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10:50am Mon 12 Nov 12
the taffster
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10:55am Mon 12 Nov 12
cvs wrote:its true though.it was a massive error selling/giving our best proven striker to cp.why on earth does he think henry is a good player and he likes his style?the guys an animal and could have broken both of bridcutts legs.he wasnt even going for the ball...having him in your side would be a liability.gus has bought many players to the club a few are good ,most are long term injured or discards from other clubs.name one player in our development squad whos likely to step up to the plate.its time for a clear out.
Gus needs to keep quiet sometimes. He'd be better off trying to understand why Palace are scoring goals for fun while we create dozens of chances for each goal we score
Rooky
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10:58am Mon 12 Nov 12
mr punch
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10:59am Mon 12 Nov 12
Cabin fever
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11:07am Mon 12 Nov 12
Hugo-Worthing wrote:Apart from the tone of their comments, they (he/she) are(is) easily identifiable by their(his/her) inability to put a space after a full stop.
Just waiting for the trolls, who under their MANY aliases will bombard the board with their anti Gus stance
Dont be taken in!
Look back through the posts and you'll find the culprits. Pretty sad I reckon. I very rarely visit the boards of rival clubs, let alone sign up to them and pretend to be one of their fans.
Ah well, each to their own.
jarmonesque
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11:09am Mon 12 Nov 12
LACHANCE
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11:33am Mon 12 Nov 12
Hovite
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11:41am Mon 12 Nov 12
Hovite
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11:57am Mon 12 Nov 12
tug509
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12:19pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Yogi
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12:43pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Does anyone think that GG might be rested too?
SecondReserve
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12:44pm Mon 12 Nov 12
tooncgull
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12:55pm Mon 12 Nov 12
That being so, as its only mid November, it is far too early to be setting the pace. Ideally we should be tucked in just behind the top six at this stage, in about 8th (check), playing quite well but not quite clicking, (check), creating lots of chances (check) but not quite putting them away yet....
You can't have a late well-timed run to promotion if you are one of the early season pace setters.... :-)
Only half joking about the above - its fine being 8th in November.
Gibseagull
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1:20pm Mon 12 Nov 12
pablobrowno wrote:Precisely this - it's a matter of getting the balance right. I'm encouraged by Bruno's display as a midfield playmaker in the second half v Wolves - possibly just what we need + if we had someone like Lambert playing alongside CMS we'd be top of the table now.
Whe we defend well we struggle to score and when we score well we struggle to defend! Quite simply if we had some, physical predatory presence up front our goal tally would go off the scale!
VegasSeagull
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1:21pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Brighton are a solid championship level squad and we will be for the next few seasons, accept it and enjoy those seasons as we continue to build a squad good enough for the step up.
Gus will, or has already, let his players know what he thinks about our last game, goals conceded and chances missed, and he knows that the buck stops right at his door. I am looking forward to seeing what our next starting eleven looks like, he is not happy so now lets wait and see if he does anything about it.
PittaPatta
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1:27pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Wolves came alive in the second-half, and made for an excellent match. But sloppy match finishing has once again proved our undoing. The fact that Wolves might even have taken all three points is worth considering, because they certainly came very close to that, but for Barnes's awareness.
A poor result from such a dominant position. Gus is right, and he has every right and reason to make his feelings known.
WisdomSpeaks
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1:32pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Michael Jordan
Personally I will not accept that this group of players do not possess the ability to get promoted. Let's all join together to help that come true - and then we can deal with staying up when the massive cash injection has been used so wisely. Beliefs create reality.
By the way - a big hug and kiss to Troll Busters, Hovite et al. I really love you guys and thank you for all you do for us.
VegasSeagull
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1:43pm Mon 12 Nov 12
I agree with your post and the interesting questions are, what will he do about it and what can he do about it.
At the start of the season most of us thought that we had strength in depth but today we have to ask if that is right. Gus has made some changes to the starting eleven, either by choice or forced thru injuries, but the results have not really come. I have lost count of how many different players have been talked about as needing a run of games on here, we can only field eleven but to listen to some on here you would think we could start with at least fifteen.
For me it's all about targets. Is our target to reach the playoffs, if so then ok. If the target is top ten then lets play for it. If the target is promotion I would say that that is not realistic. When the transfer window opens we will get a good idea of what the club is aiming for, players in and out will define our goal for this season.
Hovite
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1:48pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Hovite
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1:49pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Hovite wrote:That was for WS not you Vegas lol
Well you can kiss my butt for starters
VegasSeagull
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1:52pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Hovite wrote:I was wondering
Hovite wrote: Well you can kiss my butt for startersThat was for WS not you Vegas lol
Freeloaders
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2:26pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Hovite
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2:35pm Mon 12 Nov 12
WisdomSpeaks
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2:36pm Mon 12 Nov 12
VegasSeagull wrote:Thank you Vegas for that constructive post. I'm certainly not here trying to be controversial and I respect the views of all people and their right to express those views freely in a respectful manner.
PittaPatta.
I agree with your post and the interesting questions are, what will he do about it and what can he do about it.
At the start of the season most of us thought that we had strength in depth but today we have to ask if that is right. Gus has made some changes to the starting eleven, either by choice or forced thru injuries, but the results have not really come. I have lost count of how many different players have been talked about as needing a run of games on here, we can only field eleven but to listen to some on here you would think we could start with at least fifteen.
For me it's all about targets. Is our target to reach the playoffs, if so then ok. If the target is top ten then lets play for it. If the target is promotion I would say that that is not realistic. When the transfer window opens we will get a good idea of what the club is aiming for, players in and out will define our goal for this season.
So I totally understand the points you make and I guess I'm so convinced from my own experience of life that before we can achieve ANYTHING in life we have to first conceive it in our mind.
A picture which The Evening Argus (as it was in those days) once published of Alan Mullery sitting at his desk at the Goldstone during his first spell at the club - comes to mind. It was of some birds (looking very much like seagulls) flying and the caption under said 'We Can - because we THINK we can'. Most of us remember where we ended up that season!!!
We managed to stay in the old First Division for a few years, against a lot of odds as well. I also acknowledge that there was a financial meltdown which followed and no-one wants that again. I believe we have too much financial expertise at the club to allow that to happen again.
I also believe that certain methods of handling players can work with lower division type guys but with more experienced players you have to adjust your approach. I don't believe there is ever only one way to skin a cat - so to speak. That is part of being a man manager.
I also like to see managers respect each other in interviews and respect different styles of play. One day we might be looking to one of these managers to help us - and, of course, they have memories.
I just don't feel it works to be disrespectful or sarcastic to anyone - including players, referees and officials - as it will always come right back at you - sooner or later.
I'm also not a great subscriber to constant changes other than for enforced reasons. I see that nearly all consistency comes from a reasonably consistent team selection.
I thought the performance was actually quite good against Wolves. Of course we expect to close out the game with only a minute to go. It seems to me that there is a bit of fear in the team - and I think it could be a fear of success!
I shall be there at Huddersfield looking for a great result.
Anyway, the proof of the pudding and all that! - my support of the club is total and unswerving. As long as the players keep believing in Gus and his methods and keep respect I am sure we'll be OK.
Freeloaders
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2:41pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Hovite
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3:08pm Mon 12 Nov 12
And what are the motivations for your sincere insincerity today?
Remember what you said;
You can fool some of us all of the time - and all of us some of the time - but you can't fool all of us all of the time.
So true WS
the taffster
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3:14pm Mon 12 Nov 12
jarmonesque wrote:is that the same glenn murray thats scoring 2 a game at palace.i am a seagull fan and i never felt it was right to let him go,especially to cp.i believe we would be up there with them if we had a goalscorer of his ability.its a fact.
Watching the extended highlights on Player, we looked the business going forward, scored three, could've been 6-7. Sloppy defending cost us two points, NOTHING to do with selling moaning, northern, always-offside, slouching, loser, now palace scum, Murray.
lotsofducks
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3:20pm Mon 12 Nov 12
the taffster
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3:34pm Mon 12 Nov 12
the taffster
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3:34pm Mon 12 Nov 12
the taffster
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3:34pm Mon 12 Nov 12
the taffster
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3:34pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Hovite
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3:44pm Mon 12 Nov 12
tug509
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3:55pm Mon 12 Nov 12
the taffster wrote:There was far more to it than that,now sod off!.
it was over paying him a few grand more a week and a longer contract.a deal should have been done a long time before he left.
pjwilk
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4:03pm Mon 12 Nov 12
CanfieldRob
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4:07pm Mon 12 Nov 12
WisdomSpeaks wrote:What a good post. Like you WS, my support of the club is total and unswerving. Like you I'll be there at Huddersfield.
VegasSeagull wrote:Thank you Vegas for that constructive post. I'm certainly not here trying to be controversial and I respect the views of all people and their right to express those views freely in a respectful manner.
PittaPatta.
I agree with your post and the interesting questions are, what will he do about it and what can he do about it.
At the start of the season most of us thought that we had strength in depth but today we have to ask if that is right. Gus has made some changes to the starting eleven, either by choice or forced thru injuries, but the results have not really come. I have lost count of how many different players have been talked about as needing a run of games on here, we can only field eleven but to listen to some on here you would think we could start with at least fifteen.
For me it's all about targets. Is our target to reach the playoffs, if so then ok. If the target is top ten then lets play for it. If the target is promotion I would say that that is not realistic. When the transfer window opens we will get a good idea of what the club is aiming for, players in and out will define our goal for this season.
So I totally understand the points you make and I guess I'm so convinced from my own experience of life that before we can achieve ANYTHING in life we have to first conceive it in our mind.
A picture which The Evening Argus (as it was in those days) once published of Alan Mullery sitting at his desk at the Goldstone during his first spell at the club - comes to mind. It was of some birds (looking very much like seagulls) flying and the caption under said 'We Can - because we THINK we can'. Most of us remember where we ended up that season!!!
We managed to stay in the old First Division for a few years, against a lot of odds as well. I also acknowledge that there was a financial meltdown which followed and no-one wants that again. I believe we have too much financial expertise at the club to allow that to happen again.
I also believe that certain methods of handling players can work with lower division type guys but with more experienced players you have to adjust your approach. I don't believe there is ever only one way to skin a cat - so to speak. That is part of being a man manager.
I also like to see managers respect each other in interviews and respect different styles of play. One day we might be looking to one of these managers to help us - and, of course, they have memories.
I just don't feel it works to be disrespectful or sarcastic to anyone - including players, referees and officials - as it will always come right back at you - sooner or later.
I'm also not a great subscriber to constant changes other than for enforced reasons. I see that nearly all consistency comes from a reasonably consistent team selection.
I thought the performance was actually quite good against Wolves. Of course we expect to close out the game with only a minute to go. It seems to me that there is a bit of fear in the team - and I think it could be a fear of success!
I shall be there at Huddersfield looking for a great result.
Anyway, the proof of the pudding and all that! - my support of the club is total and unswerving. As long as the players keep believing in Gus and his methods and keep respect I am sure we'll be OK.
Hovite
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4:17pm Mon 12 Nov 12
tug509 wrote:Well said tug,lots of strange postings today.
the taffster wrote:There was far more to it than that,now sod off!.
it was over paying him a few grand more a week and a longer contract.a deal should have been done a long time before he left.
the taffster
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4:27pm Mon 12 Nov 12
tug509 wrote:your talking nonsense mate.im in the know....
the taffster wrote:There was far more to it than that,now sod off!.
it was over paying him a few grand more a week and a longer contract.a deal should have been done a long time before he left.
Hovite
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4:40pm Mon 12 Nov 12
He wanted to play for us for less money than Palace offered but we told him to take it.
For what it's worth, he lives in Brighton.
Now do as tug says and run along now.
IRISHGULL
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4:40pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Perseus
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4:43pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Hovite
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4:54pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Cabin fever wrote:Must add that he deliberately fails to put a space after a full stop on some of his characters, however he also makes the effort to write properly under different names to blend in when it suits him.
Hugo-Worthing wrote:Apart from the tone of their comments, they (he/she) are(is) easily identifiable by their(his/her) inability to put a space after a full stop.
Just waiting for the trolls, who under their MANY aliases will bombard the board with their anti Gus stance
Dont be taken in!
Look back through the posts and you'll find the culprits. Pretty sad I reckon. I very rarely visit the boards of rival clubs, let alone sign up to them and pretend to be one of their fans.
Ah well, each to their own.
You will find it is highly likely that it is one person using up to 6 or 7 names per thread. It has been infected with activity today for some reason.
The Real Ryfish
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5:06pm Mon 12 Nov 12
pjwilk wrote:As that 6-1 was last season I'm not sure how it affects the point.
Worse result of the season,was it really worse than loosing 6-1 to West Ham.
Ringmer Rich
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5:10pm Mon 12 Nov 12
pjwilk wrote:Which season are you watching?
Worse result of the season,was it really worse than loosing 6-1 to West Ham.
barnieb
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5:31pm Mon 12 Nov 12
il-Smith and Barnes in a 4-3-3- formation and go for it,no edgy 1-0 with10 mins to go,its time to start converting all these wasted chances.The stats for the game against Wolves read like a horror story..,
The Real Ryfish
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5:36pm Mon 12 Nov 12
barnieb wrote:We have to score from ALL of our chances? We HAVE to win comfortably?
We have to win at Huddersfield,it is as simple as that and win comfortably.Play 3 upfront,Dobbie,Macka
il-Smith and Barnes in a 4-3-3- formation and go for it,no edgy 1-0 with10 mins to go,its time to start converting all these wasted chances.The stats for the game against Wolves read like a horror story..,
SicklySeagull
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5:42pm Mon 12 Nov 12
the taffster
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5:49pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Hovite wrote:like i said lack of ambition on the clubs part.im not an idiot,just stating facts.if they paid him what the guy was worth before contract negotiations stalled we would be in the top 2 and not chasing cp.common sense,bad management.its called looking after your prize assets.now run along like tug says
Yeah right, you're an idiot taff.
He wanted to play for us for less money than Palace offered but we told him to take it.
For what it's worth, he lives in Brighton.
Now do as tug says and run along now.
the taffster
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5:50pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Hovite wrote:like i said lack of ambition on the clubs part.im not an idiot,just stating facts.if they paid him what the guy was worth before contract negotiations stalled we would be in the top 2 and not chasing cp.common sense,bad management.its called looking after your prize assets.now run along like tug says
Yeah right, you're an idiot taff.
He wanted to play for us for less money than Palace offered but we told him to take it.
For what it's worth, he lives in Brighton.
Now do as tug says and run along now.
Hovite
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5:54pm Mon 12 Nov 12
the taffster wrote:likeisaidyouareanidi
Hovite wrote:like i said lack of ambition on the clubs part.im not an idiot,just stating facts.if they paid him what the guy was worth before contract negotiations stalled we would be in the top 2 and not chasing cp.common sense,bad management.its called looking after your prize assets.now run along like tug says
Yeah right, you're an idiot taff.
He wanted to play for us for less money than Palace offered but we told him to take it.
For what it's worth, he lives in Brighton.
Now do as tug says and run along now.
otsotrolloffandfinds
omethingbettertodoli
kegooutandhaveadrink
withyourmatesthatsif
youhaveanyyousadgit.
the taffster
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6:04pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Hovite wrote:the truth hurts doesnt it? your obtuse comments prove that.over and out.
the taffster wrote:likeisaidyouareanidi
Hovite wrote:like i said lack of ambition on the clubs part.im not an idiot,just stating facts.if they paid him what the guy was worth before contract negotiations stalled we would be in the top 2 and not chasing cp.common sense,bad management.its called looking after your prize assets.now run along like tug says
Yeah right, you're an idiot taff.
He wanted to play for us for less money than Palace offered but we told him to take it.
For what it's worth, he lives in Brighton.
Now do as tug says and run along now.
otsotrolloffandfinds
omethingbettertodoli
kegooutandhaveadrink
withyourmatesthatsif
youhaveanyyousadgit.
Hovite
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7:02pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Either way it doesn't hurt. Donkey
tug509
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7:12pm Mon 12 Nov 12
the taffster wrote:Ok one more try,IF you "are in the know". Exactly where is Vicente,is he returning and if so when?. Who if anyone are we looking at,either on loan or to buy?. Is Gus going to change players/formation/ta
Hovite wrote:the truth hurts doesnt it? your obtuse comments prove that.over and out.
the taffster wrote:likeisaidyouareanidi
Hovite wrote:like i said lack of ambition on the clubs part.im not an idiot,just stating facts.if they paid him what the guy was worth before contract negotiations stalled we would be in the top 2 and not chasing cp.common sense,bad management.its called looking after your prize assets.now run along like tug says
Yeah right, you're an idiot taff.
He wanted to play for us for less money than Palace offered but we told him to take it.
For what it's worth, he lives in Brighton.
Now do as tug says and run along now.
otsotrolloffandfinds
omethingbettertodoli
kegooutandhaveadrink
withyourmatesthatsif
youhaveanyyousadgit.
ctics for Huddersfield (this one i would`nt want the opposition to know of course) but im sure you get my drift. Anyone can make the claims that you have,but can you back em up??. Maybe you should take Hovite`s advice and go for a drink with all your mates,you could ask GM to join you,and maybe you would all fill a telephone box!!.Maybe!!!...UTA
hannover seagull
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8:24pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Make your comment make your reply and then think?
VegasSeagull
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8:30pm Mon 12 Nov 12
It wasn't that long ago when we would have been bemoaning how close to relegation we were now, well now we complain that we are not top of the championship division, I see that as progress.
If we are not ready for promotion, and Gus has said we are not, then the youngsters that appear usefull now might be the backbone of the team that will be good enough, maybe in three seasons or so.
JFC, Barker, Dickenson and others should be able to start, if good enough, in two or three seasons time. I hope they get contracts long enough in duration that it means we can keep them if they want to stay. . .
4everaseagull
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10:36pm Mon 12 Nov 12
Yogi wrote:Interesting regarding whether the skipper needs resting. I feel that he has been a wee bit off it the last few games and if you watch the Wolves equaliser in stoppage time he was out muscled by Johnson. Even though is is smaller in height I dont reckon El-Abd would of been. GG probably could do with a rest. Not sure Gus will leave him out as he is his on field leader.
Apparently Gus says that Will rested at Wolves (to bench) as we have a good squad - agree with a bit of rotation but hasn't KLL been "rested" too long!
Does anyone think that GG might be rested too?
the taffster
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8:19am Tue 13 Nov 12
tug509 wrote:it wouldnt be right for me to tell you the exact source.lets just say it was a good friend of glenns.is it possible to comment on here without getting lambasted by screeming qu**ns.
the taffster wrote:Ok one more try,IF you "are in the know". Exactly where is Vicente,is he returning and if so when?. Who if anyone are we looking at,either on loan or to buy?. Is Gus going to change players/formation/ta
Hovite wrote:the truth hurts doesnt it? your obtuse comments prove that.over and out.
the taffster wrote:likeisaidyouareanidi
Hovite wrote:like i said lack of ambition on the clubs part.im not an idiot,just stating facts.if they paid him what the guy was worth before contract negotiations stalled we would be in the top 2 and not chasing cp.common sense,bad management.its called looking after your prize assets.now run along like tug says
Yeah right, you're an idiot taff.
He wanted to play for us for less money than Palace offered but we told him to take it.
For what it's worth, he lives in Brighton.
Now do as tug says and run along now.
otsotrolloffandfinds
omethingbettertodoli
kegooutandhaveadrink
withyourmatesthatsif
youhaveanyyousadgit.
ctics for Huddersfield (this one i would`nt want the opposition to know of course) but im sure you get my drift. Anyone can make the claims that you have,but can you back em up??. Maybe you should take Hovite`s advice and go for a drink with all your mates,you could ask GM to join you,and maybe you would all fill a telephone box!!.Maybe!!!...UTA
TokyoPete
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10:17am Tue 13 Nov 12
tooncgull wrote:Excellent post and I second your thoughts toongull. Taking an impartial and un-emotive look, the overall stats at the moment ain't looking too bad: Six wins, six draws and four losses. Promoted teams can usulally 'afford' to get beaten 10,11 or even 12 times. So, with THIRTY games remaining anything could happen. Hopefully we'll come good.
We are on target . How often down the years have we seen that a team that puts in a late run into the playoffs, is the team that goes up? Momentum and all.... That being so, as its only mid November, it is far too early to be setting the pace. Ideally we should be tucked in just behind the top six at this stage, in about 8th (check), playing quite well but not quite clicking, (check), creating lots of chances (check) but not quite putting them away yet.... You can't have a late well-timed run to promotion if you are one of the early season pace setters.... :-) Only half joking about the above - its fine being 8th in November.
Just like to add that although the general banter is great, not being able to get to the Amex on a regular basis, the most valuable comments on this board come from fans (of either team) who were actually at the match.
UP THE ALBION V THE (not so terrifying) TERRIERS!!
Hugo-Worthing says...
10:15am Mon 12 Nov 12
Dont be taken in!