Late, late strike denies Albion

5:14pm Saturday 24th November 2012 in Albion By Brian Owen

Bruno scores from long range to give Albion the lead (photos Simon Dack) Bruno scores from long range to give Albion the lead (photos Simon Dack)

Albion were hit by a last-gasp Bolton equaliser as they failed to turn domination into three points at The Amex today.

David Ngog struck in the final seconds of added time to force a 1-1 draw and cancel out Bruno’s superb 54th-minute volley.

The Seagulls wasted a penalty and hit the woodwork three times in the first half.

They also had great chances to wrap up the points before Ngog tucked away Chris Eagles’ low cross.

Bruno took down a clearance and fired a fabulous 25-yard volley past Adam Bogdan for the breakthrough.

But Bogdan was otherwise in invincible form.

He dived to his right to keep out Ashley Barnes’ 15th-minute spot kick and then blocked a miscued follow-up from the same striker.

Andrea Orlandi, Dean Hammond and Craig Mackail-Smith all struck the woodwork.

Barnes mis-kicked when presented with a great chance by the lively Will Buckley straight after the restart.

Once ahead, Albion continued to attack and Orlandi’s weak finish gave Bogdan the chance to save.

Orlandi later whipped a low shot inches wide.

Even in added time, the Hungarian international worked wonders to parry Will Hoskins’ shot at the end of a counter attack.

Albion thought the job was done when they blocked an Eagles free-kick.

But, with the hosts feeling time was up, there were still enough seconds for Ngog to strike with a nicely guided finish via the inside of the pist – and leave most of a crowd of 26,455 looking on disbelieving silence.

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albionfan33 says...
5:20pm Sat 24 Nov 12

typical, snatchd a draw from the jaws of victory, i hope he starts with hoskins on tues,

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Gee Jay says...
5:23pm Sat 24 Nov 12

No more penalties for Ashley Barnes please.
How many points have we now lost in the final seconds?
My guess is about eight!
You could hear the groans of Albion supporters all over the country.
Why don't we hold the ball up in the corner in the final minute, as Jonny Byrne said we should be doing on the commentary?
Disappointed and annoyed.

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bruce beckett says...
5:24pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Absolutely gutted. Why does this keep happening to us? Is it down to a lack of concentration or a collective loss of nerve throughout the team? We just don't seem to be able to close a game out. Even allowing for our stoppage time winner against Peterborough, it's becoming really expensive and may ultimately cost us a play-off place.

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19frenchie87 says...
5:28pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Barnes a joke and Bolton a joke could have killed the game in the first half yet leave with a point !!! All tho the team played well that counts for nothing with out goals !!!!! So gutted at all the dropped points this season at home

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true fan says...
5:28pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Barnes never to play again, Gus needs to sort this out, far too many points dropped from missed penalties and conceding late goals!

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cullipmyhero says...
5:34pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Domination means nothing when we can't win

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Gee Jay says...
5:40pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Ashley has lost his touch in front of goal, time for Will Hoskins to start on Tuesday, at least if we get a penalty we have got a guy on the pitch who will put it away.
By half time we should have gone in by 2-0 minimum.
Still disappointed and annoyed!
Painter, Bruno, Bridcutt, Orlandi all put in a very good shift.

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VegasSeagull says...
5:43pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Have to say well done Bolton, they got a point from a match they were never going to get one from.

The late goal means nothing if you tuck away one or two more of the 20 shots the BBC text commentary says we had.

If a keeper makes a great save from a penalty then we should give him some credit but penalty taking is something Gus needs to sort out.

When Gus said that we are not yet ready promotion this result would suggest that he is right.

Congrats to Bristol City, a great win for them.

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Rhodes Seagull says...
5:48pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Gutted is an understatement!!!!
Basic football seemed to go out the window in the last 5 minutes, "In the corner and keep it there for as long as possible".
The commentator said the players where round the ref about how much time he added on but there is no excuse for this loss, down to the players on the park.

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albionbloke says...
5:51pm Sat 24 Nov 12

First of all, my aggro here in no way diminishes the achievement of getting to the position we are in the table this year. That part is very gratifying. However, it's some of the other issues that are p---ing me off.

Barnes...Barnes...Ba
rnes. Can something be done to stop this idiot picking up the ball and taking the penalty kicks for this club? Based upon that, and his other failed chances, I have to admit that I'm joining the ranks of the Barnes groaners now. My patience has run out with this bloke.

As to dropping points in the final few minutes, I've frankly come to expect it. When I saw 1-0 on 90 mins, the nerves set in and as it turned out, rightly so. Well Mr. Poyet....over to you. What excuses have you got today? Very disappointed.

Anyone also noticed how Millwall have skyrocketed up the table since wallowing around near the relegation zone at the start of the season? It all seems to have turned around for them following the addition of a certain Chris Woods who is banging 'em in frequently. We have to face them around Christmas, won't be an easy one. They made a nice pick up with Woods....we should be so lucky to have frontmen consistently banging 'em in.

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Alan G Skinner says...
5:55pm Sat 24 Nov 12

We played very well for 90 minutes, some super stuff at times. Forget about the Bolton goal, that was a 3-0 performance every day of the week, we made Bolton look poor. The fact that we did'nt win this game is scandalous, is absolutely not fair, Bolton deserved nothing from the game. Give Barnes a break, he gives his all for the team, but I do agree the Penalty situation is unacceptable, completely unacceptable. Give a thought for the players and Gus though, I would be surprised if there weren't a few holes in the changing room walls tonight. I hope the players frustrations get taken out on our opponents on Tuesday night.

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Ringmer Rich says...
5:58pm Sat 24 Nov 12

We lost the match when we started to play for time, which we started in at least the 85th minute. This turned out to be 10 minutes from the end of the game. Bolton were always wary until that point in the game, and never committed men forward. Why take Painter off? Why wasn't Bruno subbed when he was crocked twice near the end?

Need a new penalty taker.

Oh well... there's always Tuesday and Saturday... I'd definitely give up today's two points for a win next Saturday!!

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tonytowner1 says...
6:02pm Sat 24 Nov 12

For penalties it is best to have someone calm under pressure - does this for most of us make us think of Ashley? Gus - as manager, you should make the decision - first penalty taker and a 2nd choice if first not on the pitch - Buckley, Dobbie, Orlandi all spring to mind - it can't be that difficult to sort, statistically. Hoskins clearly needs to start with Barnes coming on at 60 minutes if not working out. Orlandi was great class, composure and passing today and should have been MoM ahead of Bruno who was excellent also. We missed Bridge clearly with his 20 yarders staying low. Certainly, with strikers that can put the ball away we'd be 3 - 4 places higher at least this season. Short corners looked good whereas broadly corners in to the box failed again. Odd tactics after absolutely dominating the match from 10th minute to 60th to then drop back so much, ease the tempo, remove CMS who was so hassling their defence and midfield - the top teams in the division with such dominance would have gone on to score a 2nd or 3rd against a lower half team rather than start defending and dropping back and appearing to lose confidence so early on. Some great football overall - with better luck, tweaks to tactics, cleverer substitutions, finishing and so on then 8 - 1 would have been representative. Great entertainment, more high temp on Tuesday and some work on confidence and mindset to give absolute belief and ruthlessness would see us beat most teams. Meanwhile we are really a 6th - 9th in the league side until that happens.

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Openmyeyes says...
6:05pm Sat 24 Nov 12

No one in the ground had any confidence when Barnes took the penalty. The follow up miss was worse than the pen itself. Barnes needs a rest. Apart from that see what Freedman has said about the Brighton performance - we were very good!

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collins91 says...
6:11pm Sat 24 Nov 12

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bruno goal

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SMF20 says...
6:13pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Frustrated beyond belief. Bolton, Wolves and Leeds alone have stopped us being 3rd... As for a certain so called striker. Read the Argus piece again and you will 3 things that should say it all. Missed Penalty, Miscued and Mis-kicked. If I was Hoskins or Dobbie I'd be wondering if this guy and Gus are related. ANOTHER great performance with high teen shots on goal but sadly ANOTHER 2 points lost.

Just listened to Gp's post match interview. He sounds as frustrated as I am.

Uta

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Far gull says...
6:19pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Gutted , frustrated. Good football for most of the match. Our inability to kill teams off at hm has i fear already cost us promotion, which i am actually no sad about as we are no good enough from the back 6 forward. All midfield and forwards good championship level but would not cut it in prem anyway. Gus must chop out you know who and now give others a chance as the game is simple score more than opposition and you win. We create but cannot sadly finish. Yes the ref played 8 instead of 5 min of added time , we should have not needed to worry by then with the chances we had.

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mr punch says...
6:19pm Sat 24 Nov 12

as annoying as it is, I'm starting to get used to this 'snatched a draw from the jaws of victory'. sounded like a good effort though and not too many whiners on here which is promising. Still in the mix lads :)

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Bucket feet Duffy says...
6:20pm Sat 24 Nov 12

We are now getting really bored Gus why do you persist in playing Barnes alongside CMS (not that he was much better today) I recon if you played Calderon in Barns position you would get a better result, this game could and should have been won in the first 25 mins, please try Hoskins for a full game the amount of missed chances would have given a team in wheelchairs hope, and if Freedman comes up whith the never give up cliche, they owe their point to a very goo performance from their goalie and an absolute rubbish performance by our two principle strikers, opposing teams look at our two powder puff forwards and think no worries. Poor fist time touch lack of strength to hold the ball and in Barns case all the above a yard too slow.
Otherwise a very good performance by the rest of the team in particular Bruno and Bridcutt I also thought Painter gave the best performance that I've seen in an Albion shirt. And Gus next time a straight swap it should have been Barns off Hoskins on at 60mins the other option was dobie for Orlande who also played his feet off today, but tired and took a few knocks. If you look at the amounts of attempts on goal we have had this season if we had a BZ or Murray we would be a minimum of 8 points better off so far as readers of this post will gather I am p****d off!!!!!

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tug509 says...
6:25pm Sat 24 Nov 12

The fault lies with Gus,i have defended him religiously for ages as i have for Barnes,but i honestly didn`t expect him to take another penalty. Likewise i didn`t expect us to play one fricking striker all season at home,never turning the screw when we are up,instead giving the opposition EVERY chance to get back in the game.

20 shots at goal,some teams dont get that in two games,we do and **** it up,today,yesterday last week and probably against a Bristol City who had a great win away today,on Tuesday.

I`m fed up to the back teeth of not killing games off,we have been slaughtering teams for skill and possession ,and walking away with a point at best. Gus says we will take someone for 7 or 8 ,i think we should have already taken several teams for that.But if you play great football but without complete conviction to attack and win,your opponent will always get a chance.

Will Hoskins has surely got a point to prove,he came on late and still worked their keeper,two games on the trot,and he is having a go,i`m with all you guys to give him Barnes` place on Tuesday.

I dont want to stick a knife in Barnes` back,but if your off form you get replaced,at home we should be playing Dobbie and Hoskins with CMS,i`ve seen lads on here post similar.If we dont attack at home,teams can only be expected to do as they have,park the bus,shut up shop!.

The single braincell that constitutes all croydons football knowledge,lost at Leeds today,why do i feel worse than they probably do?...Because once again we threw it away...Please not on Tuesday..UTA

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wiseman of hove says...
6:30pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Orlandi was easily man of the match. Everyone around me was in disbelief when Barnes stepped up for the penalty. Was the manager? How Barnes played for nearly all the game and Hoskins only a few token minutes - and Dobbie no part at all is beyond my understanding.

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Neville says...
6:33pm Sat 24 Nov 12

For 3 seasons now gus has not sorted out our dire penalty taking problems.I wa in the lower west stand today and everyone started moaning that Barnes was stepping forward and he did not disappoint yet again a dire penalty and a even worse follow up miss in front of an open goal. The team played well and completely dominated but as we all know we cant finish teams off and a one gola lead in this division is not enough. Barnes was absolutely awful today and miskicked in front of goal and his general dmeanour was negative,and should have been subbed at half time in my opinion.He now needs to be dropped and Dobbie brought in.
I see Gus said he wont be aking any more penalties on the radio,but there is still no nominated penalty taker in the team,if you are the regular penalty taker you have the mind set when it comes about. Passing it aound to whoever feels good on the day is rank amateur,very very disappointed today. Orlandi wasa great but why on earthe didnt he bury the chance when faced with open goal instead of a little flick. January window a striker urgently needed.

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Alfie T says...
6:44pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Gee Jay wrote:
No more penalties for Ashley Barnes please.
How many points have we now lost in the final seconds?
My guess is about eight!
You could hear the groans of Albion supporters all over the country.
Why don't we hold the ball up in the corner in the final minute, as Jonny Byrne said we should be doing on the commentary?
Disappointed and annoyed.
Just leave out the penalties for in the first line of your post and ill be delighted.

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Far gull says...
6:45pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Glad i am not alone in how i feel tonight! Not sure if i am looking forward to another same old ,same old .

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Far gull says...
6:48pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Glad i am not alone in how i feel tonight! Not sure if i am looking forward to another same old ,same old story of our season on tuesday night.

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golddene says...
6:59pm Sat 24 Nov 12

There's a lot of negativity on here tonight, ok we dropped two points but the performance was to be admired we were superb and completely dominated from start to finish a team which just a few months ago were premier league.Sure Barnsie missed the pen and the follow up and one or two other chances which you would normally expect him to convert as did Orlandi and others but it aint the end of the world hopefully we'll all wake up tomorrow.Thats football and like life its not always fair, but we'll learn and move on, if we can continue with this form we will definitely be in the play offs or better.Nobody was more disappointed at the final whistle then i was but the bigger picture is brighter than i can ever remember and i've been a supporter for 40 years and this in my opinion is a far superior team than any i have watched play for us ever and i include the Peter Taylor/Alan Mullery era's.So dust yourselves down and strap yourselves in and make Tuesday as loud as today because ladies and gents we are going places.SEAGULLS.

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seagulltess says...
7:25pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Well said everybody; we at last agree that Barnes is useless; but can anyone tell me why Gus persists in playing him. Hoskins is in a different league to him and should ba starting. He will score goals, and Barnes will never get back in.Other than that we are playing the best football I have ever seen and I have been watching them for 51 years. Cannot wait for tuesday and hope that we can get our just rewards.

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roast says...
7:28pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Barnes should not be in the team let alone penalty taker. Why was Dobbie on the bench?

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tug509 says...
7:34pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Golddene.

I have just visited the Bolton News ,and they totally agree with you.Bolton were outplayed,and very lucky to get anything out of the game.

But i dont support Bolton,so as good as we were,it still seems a big loss of 2 points to me,for the immense effort our lads put in.And i truly hope those two lost points,along with all the others we have lost in similar fashion,dont come back and bite us on the donkey,and cause us to miss the play-offs...UTA

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SicklySeagull says...
7:38pm Sat 24 Nov 12

golddene,we should have won but to say we were superb is rubbish,despite how much CMS gives us we need another true striker Barnes is not the answer,Hoskins and Dobbie are on the bench yet Gus brings on Crofts.
At least losing another two points at home will put an end to talks of promotion.

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Far gull says...
7:41pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Goldene and seagulltless . Thanks for the reminder. You are right but we had in our best historical period good finishers robinson, wardy, mellor and poskett any of whom would have got in this side. Except only one on the pitch at hm at anytime with gus . That is the difference and i think the key, as only one of them on their own would have struggled?

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weststandupperlacostearmy says...
7:47pm Sat 24 Nov 12

SMF20 wrote:
Frustrated beyond belief. Bolton, Wolves and Leeds alone have stopped us being 3rd... As for a certain so called striker. Read the Argus piece again and you will 3 things that should say it all. Missed Penalty, Miscued and Mis-kicked. If I was Hoskins or Dobbie I'd be wondering if this guy and Gus are related. ANOTHER great performance with high teen shots on goal but sadly ANOTHER 2 points lost.

Just listened to Gp's post match interview. He sounds as frustrated as I am.

Uta
...Digger has photos...he must have!!! Get my drift SMF20?

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Bucket feet Duffy says...
8:08pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Far gull wrote:
Goldene and seagulltless . Thanks for the reminder. You are right but we had in our best historical period good finishers robinson, wardy, mellor and poskett any of whom would have got in this side. Except only one on the pitch at hm at anytime with gus . That is the difference and i think the key, as only one of them on their own would have struggled?
I disagree if we had a striker of the calibre you mentioned, he would have had enough chances in the game today to score at least one if we had Gnog today instead of Barnes we would have won the game by halftime, because this would of created space and the confidence for players to go forward rather than holding or passing and falling back, a powerful player is needed lets see what happens, if the manager picks Barnes Tuesday I think it would be a nail it least in his managerial coffin.
Gus says he is bored well we are bored with Barnes Gus! And to be fair the manager is doing him a disservice by persistently playing him he tries and works very hard but is to slow and negative (how often have you seen him go past a player) for the championship he would still do as a squad player IMO as some of the weight would come off his shoulders.
It's time now before the transfer deadline to give Hoskins a few goes and if he doesn't come up to it we have time in the transfer window to get someone who can do it in front of goal such a player will also I believe open the door to CMS

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tug509 says...
8:18pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Teams must be gobsmacked when they see us run rings round them over 90% of the pitch only to find.......1 loan striker to finish each attack.

It beggars belief how good we already are,unyet we aren`t doing ourselves justice. UTA

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Freeloaders says...
8:28pm Sat 24 Nov 12

100% today we did not get the points because of 2 freeloaders."Barnes & Croft."I feel really sorry for Gus,you could here the frustration in his voice after the game.The strikers at the club are league one at best,and its letting down the good players like Bruno,Kuszczak,Bridc
utt,Buckley & a few more that im sure you know.Like he said these players came to the club to move forward.I really do think he will walk soon if not given the money for that striker.Like he pointed out a Murray,or a Wood,or even a Charlie Austin & we would be up there.How frustrating for him & the fans with a brain because we can all see the same thing.So much of the wage bill is being wasted on freeloading nightclub drunks its mad the club did not pay Murray the money he asked for.

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Far gull says...
8:29pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Fair comment bf duffy any one of them would have scored even on their own given the chances they would have had today. I think we all are just v frustrated tonight as we keep playing well and are not as high up as our performances deserve.

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MHubbs says...
8:37pm Sat 24 Nov 12

The Good

Bruno's goal. Solid performance overall. I thought Bridcutt and Orlandi both played very well.

The Bad

Defending on the right flank on the conceded goal.
TOO SLOW on build up in first half. We need to up the tempo. Greer see's far too much of the ball on the first 30 mins.

The Ugly

Barnes, Barnes, Barnes.
Woeful penalty was eclipsed only by the rebound miss from 6 yards that my 82 year old mother could have toe'd in.
Added to his errors in the second period with a amateurish air shot.

GP- why was Dobbie on the bench was the question folk were asking in the East upper. Had he played we would have scored the pen and won.


A rather frustrating game to dominate and not win was finalised with pure rage at throwing away another 2 points!

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Freeloaders says...
9:03pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Plz wake up some of you.Norwich & Swansea did not just wake up one day & think lets give Brighton 2 very good prem league players.Like LuaLua at NUFC they get a name in the football world as trouble players.Nightclub drunks as i call them.The word soon gets around.Thats the reason there is not a list of other clubs trying to sign them.Croft was big trouble at Norwich last season & they couldn't wait to get him off their wage bill.

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LACHANCE says...
9:06pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Very frustrating Barns should be find a weeks wages.Hit the woodwork four times then score then go to sleep at the end.So fare 3 penalty misses 3 games lost in extra time.

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WisdomSpeaks says...
11:52pm Sat 24 Nov 12

SicklySeagull wrote:
golddene,we should have won but to say we were superb is rubbish,despite how much CMS gives us we need another true striker Barnes is not the answer,Hoskins and Dobbie are on the bench yet Gus brings on Crofts.
At least losing another two points at home will put an end to talks of promotion.
Thank goodness someone else has picked up on that substitution.

It was a gutless substitution in my opinion. We are 1-0 up, should have been at least 4-0 therefore that's a classic sign that 1-0 is always fragile so show some courage and use the old adage - the best form of defence is attack.

So obvious that Poyet dosen't like strong minded players like Dobbie and Hoskins. Dobbie comes out publicly to state this team is good enough to get promoted the week after Gus publicly states the exact opposite so don't expect Dobbie to feature too much.

Barnes has been shown to be mentally weak with constant whining, rolling around when he's fouled - how can he get in before Dobbie. Gus is always saying this or that team is 'quality because they have players who've played in the Premiership' - so why does he not play the one who he bought on deadline day who has also played in the Premiership?

I agree we played unbelievably today - they couldn't get the ball from us on a number of occasions - we were superb but I'm p***** off because of this striker choice situation. If Dobbie and Hoskins were shown the same respect and were played as much as Barnes, now that Hoskins is fit - I'm sure we'd see more goals.

It was noticeable today that no-one demanded to take the penalty like Dobbie did at Wolves. Even Barnes seemed indifferent about the task.

Let's get it sorted on Tuesday.

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tug509 says...
12:07am Sun 25 Nov 12

WisdomSpeaks wrote:
SicklySeagull wrote:
golddene,we should have won but to say we were superb is rubbish,despite how much CMS gives us we need another true striker Barnes is not the answer,Hoskins and Dobbie are on the bench yet Gus brings on Crofts.
At least losing another two points at home will put an end to talks of promotion.
Thank goodness someone else has picked up on that substitution.

It was a gutless substitution in my opinion. We are 1-0 up, should have been at least 4-0 therefore that's a classic sign that 1-0 is always fragile so show some courage and use the old adage - the best form of defence is attack.

So obvious that Poyet dosen't like strong minded players like Dobbie and Hoskins. Dobbie comes out publicly to state this team is good enough to get promoted the week after Gus publicly states the exact opposite so don't expect Dobbie to feature too much.

Barnes has been shown to be mentally weak with constant whining, rolling around when he's fouled - how can he get in before Dobbie. Gus is always saying this or that team is 'quality because they have players who've played in the Premiership' - so why does he not play the one who he bought on deadline day who has also played in the Premiership?

I agree we played unbelievably today - they couldn't get the ball from us on a number of occasions - we were superb but I'm p***** off because of this striker choice situation. If Dobbie and Hoskins were shown the same respect and were played as much as Barnes, now that Hoskins is fit - I'm sure we'd see more goals.

It was noticeable today that no-one demanded to take the penalty like Dobbie did at Wolves. Even Barnes seemed indifferent about the task.

Let's get it sorted on Tuesday.
Wisdom has spoke,now lets hope Gus was listening,great post...UTA

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albionbloke says...
8:31am Sun 25 Nov 12

tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
SicklySeagull wrote:
golddene,we should have won but to say we were superb is rubbish,despite how much CMS gives us we need another true striker Barnes is not the answer,Hoskins and Dobbie are on the bench yet Gus brings on Crofts.
At least losing another two points at home will put an end to talks of promotion.
Thank goodness someone else has picked up on that substitution.

It was a gutless substitution in my opinion. We are 1-0 up, should have been at least 4-0 therefore that's a classic sign that 1-0 is always fragile so show some courage and use the old adage - the best form of defence is attack.

So obvious that Poyet dosen't like strong minded players like Dobbie and Hoskins. Dobbie comes out publicly to state this team is good enough to get promoted the week after Gus publicly states the exact opposite so don't expect Dobbie to feature too much.

Barnes has been shown to be mentally weak with constant whining, rolling around when he's fouled - how can he get in before Dobbie. Gus is always saying this or that team is 'quality because they have players who've played in the Premiership' - so why does he not play the one who he bought on deadline day who has also played in the Premiership?

I agree we played unbelievably today - they couldn't get the ball from us on a number of occasions - we were superb but I'm p***** off because of this striker choice situation. If Dobbie and Hoskins were shown the same respect and were played as much as Barnes, now that Hoskins is fit - I'm sure we'd see more goals.

It was noticeable today that no-one demanded to take the penalty like Dobbie did at Wolves. Even Barnes seemed indifferent about the task.

Let's get it sorted on Tuesday.
Wisdom has spoke,now lets hope Gus was listening,great post...UTA
Agree, great post.....and let's hope Tony Bloom is listening too.

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wiseman of hove says...
10:46am Sun 25 Nov 12

tug509 wrote:
WisdomSpeaks wrote:
SicklySeagull wrote:
golddene,we should have won but to say we were superb is rubbish,despite how much CMS gives us we need another true striker Barnes is not the answer,Hoskins and Dobbie are on the bench yet Gus brings on Crofts.
At least losing another two points at home will put an end to talks of promotion.
Thank goodness someone else has picked up on that substitution.

It was a gutless substitution in my opinion. We are 1-0 up, should have been at least 4-0 therefore that's a classic sign that 1-0 is always fragile so show some courage and use the old adage - the best form of defence is attack.

So obvious that Poyet dosen't like strong minded players like Dobbie and Hoskins. Dobbie comes out publicly to state this team is good enough to get promoted the week after Gus publicly states the exact opposite so don't expect Dobbie to feature too much.

Barnes has been shown to be mentally weak with constant whining, rolling around when he's fouled - how can he get in before Dobbie. Gus is always saying this or that team is 'quality because they have players who've played in the Premiership' - so why does he not play the one who he bought on deadline day who has also played in the Premiership?

I agree we played unbelievably today - they couldn't get the ball from us on a number of occasions - we were superb but I'm p***** off because of this striker choice situation. If Dobbie and Hoskins were shown the same respect and were played as much as Barnes, now that Hoskins is fit - I'm sure we'd see more goals.

It was noticeable today that no-one demanded to take the penalty like Dobbie did at Wolves. Even Barnes seemed indifferent about the task.

Let's get it sorted on Tuesday.
Wisdom has spoke,now lets hope Gus was listening,great post...UTA
A brilliant post. The comments relating to Barnes, Hoskins, Dobbie (and the introduction of Crofts) are absolutely spot on.

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Getreal you lot says...
11:11am Sun 25 Nov 12

bruce beckett says...
5:24pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Absolutely gutted. Why does this keep happening to us? Is it down to a lack of concentration or a collective loss of nerve throughout the team? We just don't seem to be able to close a game out. Even allowing for our stoppage time winner against Peterborough, it's becoming really expensive and may ultimately cost us a play-off place.


Or is it you are just rubbish..

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Getreal you lot says...
11:11am Sun 25 Nov 12

bruce beckett says...
5:24pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Absolutely gutted. Why does this keep happening to us? Is it down to a lack of concentration or a collective loss of nerve throughout the team? We just don't seem to be able to close a game out. Even allowing for our stoppage time winner against Peterborough, it's becoming really expensive and may ultimately cost us a play-off place.


Or is it you are just rubbish..

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Getreal you lot says...
11:16am Sun 25 Nov 12

Brighton for the Ryman league. Yeaaaaaah

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tug509 says...
11:28am Sun 25 Nov 12

Getreal you lot wrote:
bruce beckett says...
5:24pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Absolutely gutted. Why does this keep happening to us? Is it down to a lack of concentration or a collective loss of nerve throughout the team? We just don't seem to be able to close a game out. Even allowing for our stoppage time winner against Peterborough, it's becoming really expensive and may ultimately cost us a play-off place.


Or is it you are just rubbish..
If you have to ask the question,then you dont understand football.

Bruce Beckett`s post imho is spot on,it might well be a simple case of,lack of overall confidence in front of goal.These guys play in front of near capacity crowds every week,with all the pressure that goes with it.Most of us have a moan about the final score,but i hope the players realize that is just OUR frustration for them.

If you think we are rubbish,why are you on here?. UTA

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tug509 says...
11:31am Sun 25 Nov 12

Oh yeah i know,cos Leeds stuffed you yesterday. HA HA HA.....UTA...and UY

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Getreal you lot says...
12:08pm Sun 25 Nov 12

OK tug509 I might not know about football but I m man enough to admit I don't know anything about football. It's a shame you won't admit Brighton ARE rubbish. Go on admit it. Just a little. Go on.

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tug509 says...
12:29pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Getreal you lot wrote:
OK tug509 I might not know about football but I m man enough to admit I don't know anything about football. It's a shame you won't admit Brighton ARE rubbish. Go on admit it. Just a little. Go on.
So your a wind up merchant!. Who in their right mind goes on a football site,with no knowledge of the game?.

Sorry me old fruit,Brighton fans are better than that,we would watch the Albion if they played in the pub league.There you go,you`ve learnt something already.

You are right though,Brighton are rubbish,at keeping trolls of this site!. UTA

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VegasSeagull says...
2:25pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Having read so many postings today the word that seems to shout from the pages is, FRUSTRATION.

The key issue the postings focus on is our lack of ability to convert chances into goals.

The two targets, regarding people, of the frustration seem to be Barnes and Gus Poyet.

I can only assume that Gus feels that Barnes is a rough diamond that needs polishing, that if he persists with him he will eventualy deliver, well this might be true but to me the lad is just not improving at a rate that is acceptable. Dobbie and Hoskins will soon fall into the FRUSTARATED ranks because they know they can do better than Barnes.

Poyet is frustrated by the fact that we don't score enough goals, even though we are creating so many chances, and that we concede too many late goals. Gus it is time that you face up to the fact that YOU fill in the names on the team sheet, it is YOU that leaves the likes of Dobbie and Hoskins on the bench but puts Barnes on the park.

I would have to think that if we had bought a good striker this year to work with CMS, Barnes wouldn't be getting a look in, did the board not give the money needed or did Poyet make the decision not to buy, a decision that so many of us find FRUSTRATING.
I respect and admire what Gus and the board have done in recent years but, both of them need to step up to the plate and admit that the decision not to buy the so needed quality striker was WRONG.

I may be crazy for saying this but it seems to me that not to buy was a decision made to ensure that we did not get promoted, we bought players to ensure that we stayed in the top ten and no further, that is FRUSTRATING.

We are a club on the verge of making it, our squad is maybe just two players short of making it but the final two pieces of the puzzle were not given to us, that is down to the board, Gus or both.



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tug509 says...
2:53pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Good morning Vegas,i personally agree with most of what you say.Starting with the hardest point of all,why didn`t we get that striker,well if Gus only ever intends to play one forward at any given time,then unless we can offload a few players,we couldn`t afford it.And as we have seen recently,loaning out players is not so easy!.

I get your point about,not wanting us to go up this season,because we are not ready,not strong enough,but what if we had put all these missed chances away?. We would be sitting plum on top of the league,and looking to go up regardless. We will be taking that step sooner or later whatever happens.

Personally i think Gus plays too much like an Italian,score the goal and hold it. I believe in ,score the goal and attack, after a goal the opposition has to come out and try for an equalizer,when your as good on the break as we can be,your bound to get a chance for a second,third even.

Gus imho is a fantastic manager,and we are very lucky to have him,but that doesn`t mean i agree with him blindly. We should definitely be playing with more guns up front,at least at home.

I do appreciate Barnes,but when your not doing well,change it,we had Dobbie and Hoskins waiting to convert some of those chances ,and it didn`t happen.If i were them i would feel let down.

Anyway ,Tuesday`s another day ,another chance to shine,good luck lads. UTA

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VegasSeagull says...
3:12pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Tug I guess the point of my post is, we shouldn't always blame the players for their short comings, sometimes the problem lies with the manager and the board.

When the manager bangs on about our need for a targetman/striker,fo
r 18 months or more, we have to ask the question, why didn't we buy him? The answer to that has to lie with Gus and the board.

Some will say it's location, don't want to move down south, well Bridge was happy to leave manchester and five spaniards made the trip. Purchase price and wages offered are the issues and thse are boardroom issues.

It's true that we might have been winning games and be in the top three right now, we might have been looking good for promotion but that would be because we have players delivering and right now they are not.

It's ok to spend money when we are at the top but in our case we need to spend some money to get to the top. Two playersTug, that's all we need just two players. When CMS was out injured we didn't have a player to fill his place, surely that tells us something, and we still don't have that exciting play maker in midfield, the Vicente replacement. .

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tug509 says...
3:27pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Cant fault your logic Vegas,and to be honest i am bemused to say the least over the new striker situation.But i think you may have lived in the states too long,Brighton is a truly beautiful city. Anyone who can find fault in Brighton,doesn`t enjoy life imho.

If there is a problem it is one of two things imo,either money as you eluded,or we are holding out for that something a bit special..But we definitely missed a back up for Craig when he was injured,as you rightly said..UTA

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Getreal you lot says...
10:11pm Thu 29 Nov 12

Tug 509. Not got a job. Get one to stop being narrow minded.

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