Poyet rues goals that got away

6:55pm Saturday 24th November 2012 in Albion By Brian Owen

Andrea Orlandi is upended Andrea Orlandi is upended

Gus Poyet admits Albion should be scoring a lot more goals.

The Seagulls blew a host of chances in their 1-1 draw at home to Bolton.

Proud Poyet felt his team were “fantastic” and said: “It’s not only the domination.

“It is the way we played, the way we stopped them playing, the quantity of chances.

“The penalty goes down as a triple chance.

“Hitting the post, the goalkeeper making saves. There is nobody to blame.

“Of course you get disappointed with plenty of things that can go another way but that is football and you need to accept it.”

Poyet felt the share of the spoils was unfair on his side.

He added: “It is unfair on everybody but the one who gets it worst is me.

“I pick the players, I pick the way we play, I convince them it is possible.

“It has been proven we are better than most.

“But there is a part I cannot do. I cannot take penalties, I cannot head the ball inside the six-yard box and I cannot tap in from three yards. That is individuals.

“It is a difficult part of the game. That is why top scorers are so expensive.

“At the moment we should have the top scorer in the division by far with more goals than Glenn Murray and Charlie Austin but we don’t.

“The rest is all there.”

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Neville says...
7:01pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Yes you are the one who persists with Barnes irrespective of how he plays and today he was absymal. He needs to be dropped and Dobbie,Lopez,Hoskins
-anybody! given a chance. The penalty reports say it was a good save,rubbish the penalty was in the centre and low and hit the keeper in the midriff and the follow up was even more dire.V dissapointed fan.

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weststandupperlacostearmy says...
7:05pm Sat 24 Nov 12

...and the answer is Gus...give Dobbie, Hoskins or Toby ago or Ask Uncle Tony to get cheque book out in Jan!!! ps WE WERE BLOODY QUALITY TODAY!! Bolton were poor and their fans even worse!!

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lmspike says...
7:06pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Barnes is awful ben saying it for 2 years and every game he seems to get worse. Gus you need to leave him out of the team for a while. I paying for my tickets, shirts, beers, and everything else I get from the club I am paying your wages Mr Barnes, I think I want my money back.

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The Real Ryfish says...
7:08pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Neville wrote:
Yes you are the one who persists with Barnes irrespective of how he plays and today he was absymal. He needs to be dropped and Dobbie,Lopez,Hoskins

-anybody! given a chance. The penalty reports say it was a good save,rubbish the penalty was in the centre and low and hit the keeper in the midriff and the follow up was even more dire.V dissapointed fan.
Everyone's been saying the penalties should be hit down the middle and when we do that's still wrong. Barnes is staying in the side if Poyet believes his presence gives us the best chance of getting the desired result. It's almost as if a manager with extensive playing history can see things in a player that we can't. Anyway, by all accounts by far our best performance of the season, so the glass in my house is most definitely more than half full.

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tug509 says...
7:08pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Sorry Gus ,if you rue the missed goals,try different strikers?,Hoskins (for more than 10 minutes) ,Dobbie (for a full game) ,even the young hungry lads,Barker ,JFC (AMF), Agdestien.

Sorry Gus,love ya to bits mate,but something needs changing,were always the better team,but dont get the result..UTA

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Far gull says...
7:09pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Ref. Gus quotes. You are not alone, but you are the only one who can change our strike force. So maybe time against bristol to give hoskins / dobbie/ adgestine/ jfc ( bring him back) a go. Cms needs help . We have all been saying it for a number of games especially at hm and from the start. Not when its to late on 80 min mark.

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saltdeanres says...
7:09pm Sat 24 Nov 12

There's nobody to blame ! Are you sure Gus? and from a game we should've easily won.
That's 5 points lost in a month from missed penalties.
Now take it out on City Tuesday UTA.

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saltdeanres says...
7:10pm Sat 24 Nov 12

There's nobody to blame ! Are you sure Gus? and from a game we should've easily won.
That's 5 points lost in a month from missed penalties.
Now take it out on City Tuesday UTA.

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wiseman of hove says...
7:12pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Neville wrote:
Yes you are the one who persists with Barnes irrespective of how he plays and today he was absymal. He needs to be dropped and Dobbie,Lopez,Hoskins

-anybody! given a chance. The penalty reports say it was a good save,rubbish the penalty was in the centre and low and hit the keeper in the midriff and the follow up was even more dire.V dissapointed fan.
Agreed. Simply not buying the manager's story tonight. Persisting with an out of form player upfront or left wing wherever it is that Barnes plays, is down to the manager.

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Far gull says...
7:12pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Blimey how many similar blogs. Gus you have been great for our club , think we can't all be wrong.

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PressBoxTeaBoy says...
7:14pm Sat 24 Nov 12

I suspect that if Gus takes the plunge and leaves Barnes on the bench in favor of Hoskins, you might just see some better clinical finishing, someone other than Barnes to take penalties, and also a better partnership to work with CMS. On all three counts Barnes has had his fair share of time to prove himself, and has FAILED.
I generally like Barnes but he's just not got that clinical finish regularity that's needed, and the quality of his penalties, even when he scores them are very poor.
BYE BYE Barnsie.

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Neville says...
7:14pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Attn Realryfish.Wondered how long it would take you to disagree, who on earth are you quoting as saying penalties should be sent down the middle,utter rubbish.Penalties should be hit high,not ground level and to the side,take a look at Dobbies penalty thats how they shold be taken. Even Gus has admitted Barnes wont be taking anymore penalties,if he can see it finally why cant you.Read the comments unanimous vote to rest Barnes,yu are alone again on this one.

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The Real Ryfish says...
7:16pm Sat 24 Nov 12

lmspike wrote:
Barnes is awful ben saying it for 2 years and every game he seems to get worse. Gus you need to leave him out of the team for a while. I paying for my tickets, shirts, beers, and everything else I get from the club I am paying your wages Mr Barnes, I think I want my money back.
You have received everything you paid for. Your contribution is but a drop of Barnes's wages.

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weststandupperlacostearmy says...
7:19pm Sat 24 Nov 12

The Real Ryfish wrote:
Neville wrote:
Yes you are the one who persists with Barnes irrespective of how he plays and today he was absymal. He needs to be dropped and Dobbie,Lopez,Hoskins


-anybody! given a chance. The penalty reports say it was a good save,rubbish the penalty was in the centre and low and hit the keeper in the midriff and the follow up was even more dire.V dissapointed fan.
Everyone's been saying the penalties should be hit down the middle and when we do that's still wrong. Barnes is staying in the side if Poyet believes his presence gives us the best chance of getting the desired result. It's almost as if a manager with extensive playing history can see things in a player that we can't. Anyway, by all accounts by far our best performance of the season, so the glass in my house is most definitely more than half full.
Have to agree Ryfish! Glass more than half full here too. We are two maybe three short of a quality promotion winning squad. We should fear no one now and push on...patience is a virtue and Rome wasnt built in a day springs to mind!

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pablobrowno says...
7:23pm Sat 24 Nov 12

As we all know the most hurtful thing is being such a fantastic and entertaining side but not getting what we deserve. There is a killer instinct missing. Cms brings a lot but he is not the predatory striker we need to head/kick the ball in the box at all costs.

Barnes' follow up to the pen was shocking as was his miss early first half.

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The Real Ryfish says...
7:23pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Neville wrote:
Attn Realryfish.Wondered how long it would take you to disagree, who on earth are you quoting as saying penalties should be sent down the middle,utter rubbish.Penalties should be hit high,not ground level and to the side,take a look at Dobbies penalty thats how they shold be taken. Even Gus has admitted Barnes wont be taking anymore penalties,if he can see it finally why cant you.Read the comments unanimous vote to rest Barnes,yu are alone again on this one.
I've been ignoring your constant drivel on here for months, that's why you've been wondering for so long. Anyway, I'm not doing research for you - people have said pens should be down the middle (ie when CMS's second was saved against Leeds) for ages. I personally don't care who takes pens, it possibly made no difference to the score anyway (and if you disagree with that, read up on causaility). And finally, given a choice between agreeing with Poyet's assessment on Barnes and agreeing with yours, well, there's only one way THAT decisions is ever going to go! Merry Christmas Neville - love you lots! :-D

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The Real Ryfish says...
7:24pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Neville: PS - team selection isn't a vote, this is football not the X Factor.

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Bucket feet Duffy says...
7:29pm Sat 24 Nov 12

If we had one proper target man who could score a goal out of every three or four opertunities that would spread throughout the team, I wonder if playing Barnes despite consistent poor performances is effecting both confidence and moral within the team.

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Alfie T says...
7:34pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Played some fantastic football today against a thuggish and average Bolton side,Orlandi was outstanding, my motm. Barnes needs to go, it was a bad enough penalty miss but the follow up was pathetic, the goalkeeper was practically lying down with two thirds of the goal empty. Hoskins did more in the few minutes he was on, but for a great save would have won the game for us.

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SMF20 says...
7:45pm Sat 24 Nov 12

GP is absolutely spot on. The rest is indeed there. I genuinely believe we are a good striker away from being the best team in the division. I believe that it will be a double bonus when this good striker arrives because not only will we have his goals, we will have the hold up, link player that will enable Cms to be the deadliest marksman in the Championship.
I'm sure that with the sale and wages saved of players like Vincelot, Sparrow, Harley and Vicente to name but a few, we will have the funds to buy and pay a top striker.
Uta

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SecondReserve says...
7:50pm Sat 24 Nov 12

The third injury-time goal conceded in the last 3 matches and 2 more points dropped at home against a very poor team who are down at the bottom of the table. We totally dominated the game and should have been several goals up long before the end but we went into the last few minutes with just a goal from a fullback to show for all our dominance. Sadly our strikers totally failed to strike yet again. An awful penalty from Barnes followed by an absurd mess of the rebound (just like his previous penalty). And several sitters and decent chances squandered. Like it or not I'm afraid we need to get shot of Barnes and CMS and get a couple of strikers who can convert a reasonable percentage of their chances. It's possible that Dobbie and Hoskins could be those strikers but I strongly suspect Mr. Bloom needs to get his chequebook out in January. Our defence is generally fine but the plain fact is that our current attackers don't score anywhere near enough goals (and our midfield don't score any at all).

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wiseman of hove says...
7:51pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Alfie T wrote:
Played some fantastic football today against a thuggish and average Bolton side,Orlandi was outstanding, my motm. Barnes needs to go, it was a bad enough penalty miss but the follow up was pathetic, the goalkeeper was practically lying down with two thirds of the goal empty. Hoskins did more in the few minutes he was on, but for a great save would have won the game for us.
Orlandi was simply superb and astonished that he was not motm. Apart from his wide range of skills, he rode some rough stuff most impressively.

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Norsk Seagull says...
7:52pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Brighton were almost what I'd describe as quality. We dominated. We were the best team. But, when you're winning by only one goal, don't make one single mistake. For their goal, their left back ran 60 yarda unchallenged. They got a bit of luck at the end. We got no luck.

If we play like that every game, we'll be in the prem next season.

Up the albion!

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john newman says...
7:56pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Summary...Orlandi is positive all the time. No points for 'artistic impression ' thats ice skating. Ask Arsenal fans. If you want wins you take chances, we do not.

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tug509 says...
7:58pm Sat 24 Nov 12

IMHO,the greatest pen taker Peter Lorimer,when asked once said,even i cant be sure where there going,i just know they will get there quick!!, He just hit them like a rocket,how is a goalie going to read that??..UTA

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pjwilk says...
8:09pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Gus says its the goals that got away,i think more like the STRIKERS that got away.

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Vince says...
8:10pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Barnes has to make way for Hoskins and Dobbie (possibly one half each).

Listening to the commentary, Crofts was at fault in getting caught offside, when we had possession of the ball up at their end. If we had kept the ball there we would have won 1-0. Hoskins is a class act and can hold the ball up well. Dobbie also has skills and a great shot. Surely if he had been on the field he would have had several chances to shoot - something he can do far better than most of our other forward players. Probably a couple of goals for him, and then at least one for Hoskins if he had been given 20 minutes. Both these players have far more class than the hard-working but limited Barnes.

In summary I blame Gus for failing to press home our dominance by only giving 5 minutes to Hoskins and no time at all to Dobbie, leaving a far inferior player like Barnes on the pitch. That is plain stupid to me.

By trying to hold on to our leads near the end, we give other teams hope, we then defend to deep, make panic clearances, and hand the initiative to our opponents. This "90th minute syndrome" (a collective lack of composure) and Gus 's negative tactics mean that we keep on being the architects of our own downfall.

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SMF20 says...
8:11pm Sat 24 Nov 12

tug509 wrote:
IMHO,the greatest pen taker Peter Lorimer,when asked once said,even i cant be sure where there going,i just know they will get there quick!!, He just hit them like a rocket,how is a goalie going to read that??..UTA
I like it. Perhaps Shearer had a similar approach.

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GRANDAD says...
8:12pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Gus is a good manager and has got the team playing good football. How quickly people forget what supporting a poor team is like. Most commentators on here just think they know better but they are probably the same ones lauding CMS when he came. All teams have flaws, be thankful your team has fewer than most in the championship. Good team, Great stadium, Brilliant chairman and still some really good supporters, if not all are entirely satisfied or think they know better than Gus. Seagulls sometimes c**p on you but also soar high at times.

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Far gull says...
8:18pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Like it tug.IMHO matt le tisser made it an art never missed one in his professional career i believe, but am sure someone will correct me.

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objective view says...
8:27pm Sat 24 Nov 12

"I cannot take penalties, I cannot head the ball inside the six-yard box and I cannot tap in from three yards" Gus's words but I thought I was reading a quote from Barnes! Please give him a rest Gus and give Hoskins and/or Dobbie a chance starting on Tuesday. It is so frustrating watching us dominate games but not being able to finish them off.

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tug509 says...
8:28pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Far gull wrote:
Like it tug.IMHO matt le tisser made it an art never missed one in his professional career i believe, but am sure someone will correct me.
Its funny Jeff Stelling was only mocking him about a few months ago,the answer is one saved by Crossley.

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BHArulz says...
8:29pm Sat 24 Nov 12

The Real Ryfish wrote:
Neville wrote:
Attn Realryfish.Wondered how long it would take you to disagree, who on earth are you quoting as saying penalties should be sent down the middle,utter rubbish.Penalties should be hit high,not ground level and to the side,take a look at Dobbies penalty thats how they shold be taken. Even Gus has admitted Barnes wont be taking anymore penalties,if he can see it finally why cant you.Read the comments unanimous vote to rest Barnes,yu are alone again on this one.
I've been ignoring your constant drivel on here for months, that's why you've been wondering for so long. Anyway, I'm not doing research for you - people have said pens should be down the middle (ie when CMS's second was saved against Leeds) for ages. I personally don't care who takes pens, it possibly made no difference to the score anyway (and if you disagree with that, read up on causaility). And finally, given a choice between agreeing with Poyet's assessment on Barnes and agreeing with yours, well, there's only one way THAT decisions is ever going to go! Merry Christmas Neville - love you lots! :-D
Ryfish, you are 100% right. There's been to many knobs performing on here lately.

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The Phantom says...
8:32pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Superb performance and a travesty of a scoreline. Orlandi top of a number of outstanding performances. Surprised that CMS did not step up and take the penalty having scored two out of three this season. Barnes has now missed his last three having had a good run previously. Suspect he is playing more for the defensive protection he gives the left back when the opposition have the ball - he did that well again today. Marcos Painter would almost certainly have had a more difficult game if someone like Dobbie played ahead of him - might see Buckley play off the left on Tuesday as Albert Admomah is a very good and pacey winger for Bristol City. Unbelievably exasperated by the final score - somebody will get a hiding someday soon. By the way, for those of you suggesting that Forster-Caskey should be brought back as a striker....well he is very definitely a midfield player who is not even starting every week for Oxford United. And George Barker - he was an unused sub for Barnet today. Be careful what you wish for - we have one hell of a team here who are very close to being one of our best teams ever.

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WoodingdeanDS says...
8:36pm Sat 24 Nov 12

The comments on this blog always swing between positive and negative. We win a game and there's something that could have been better. Draw and and it's two points dropped, lose and someone's to blame. Mark Hughes was rightly sacked this week for poor mresults. Dean Wilkins was sacked for finishing 7th (by Dick Knight). I've been watching Albion since 1972 when Pat Saward was in charge and got us promoted to Div 2. Alan Mullery got us into Div 1 from Div 3 playing better football than I see this season. I feel like the boy that sees the king isn't wearing any clothes. Can Tony Bloom see what I (can't) see? We won't go down. Tony wants his money back over 25 years, and 26k gates will provide that. It won't leave much money to push for the Premier League. We need 4 quality players to replace average ones in the current 1st eleven, and let's face it, the rest are League 1 standard. I feel better for saying it, but what's the point, really?

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Freeloaders says...
8:48pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Lets not forget there was 2 freeloaders out there today to blame for us not getting the points.That vile nightclub drunk Croft also had a very big part to play in it also.You could here the frustration in Poyets voice after the game.If we had a Murray,Wood,or a Charlie Austine we would be up there.If only the club had payed Murray his money,because he was happy to Re-sign for less than his on a Palace now.The club waste so much of the wage bill on freeloaders like LuaLua,Croft,Harly,B
arnes,and Yes also the Liverpool managers son.It didn't take Chelsea long to work him out & they have millions to spend.Plus to top the lot we Vicente on the wage bill.Lets face it this little lot could of payed Mr,Murrays wages with change.

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Gazza by the sea says...
8:55pm Sat 24 Nov 12

So I have just the two questions this evening.....

1. What on earth is the point of Ashley Barnes?

2. Why oh why after 90 minutes of excellent intelligent sophisticated football with the keeper rolling or passing the ball to a defender to build our play patiently did we decide in stoppage time that it would be a terrific idea for him to spend 5 minutes hoofing it upfield to the Bolton defence? Totally, utterly and inexplicably bewildering. Bolton, I am sure couldn't believe their luck.

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LACHANCE says...
9:14pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Barns must go not good enough for this type of football.

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Neville says...
9:20pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Attn Ryfish
You really are a miserabe old git get a life and understand that yours is not the only opinionon this site.Merry Xmas to you too asd I may even come and pay you a visit in the old folks home,what a prat you are .You also have other names on this site and thats the only way any one could possibly agree with some of your childish and immature comments.

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tug509 says...
9:34pm Sat 24 Nov 12

freeloaders,Charlie Austin would be great,trouble is,Liverpool,Arsenal
,Everton and Villa all think so as well,so where is the money going to come from?.

Chris wood was a descent striker for us at Withdean,but he plays a different role for Millwall,so i guess Gus thought he wouldn`t fit our style,personally i would have given him a go.

As for Murray,you seem to be convinced it was all about money.Our great club made him the best offer any player in our history has ever been offered,but it was him and not the club,that kept putting it off (contract) .

I was led to believe that after he left,he spoke to Gus to try and re-open negotiations,but by then the door had been shut.

Maybe Hoskins will prove the answer,hopefully on Tuesday..UTA

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keswick says...
10:12pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Agree with many others that A B needs a rest. Thought he was poor today but obviously Gus knows that he brings what he wants to the team even if many of us cannot see it. Personally I would like to see Will Hoskins given a run in the team with CMS.

Worst away fans here for some time ?

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tug509 says...
10:53pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Sorry lads,normally this would be Vegas` territory.

Hull (a) outplayed them lost 0-1 1
Brum (h) outplayed them lost 0-1 1
Ipswich (h) better team 1-1 2
Derby (a) mullered em 0-0 2
M,boro (h) better team 0-1 1
L,ster (a) chucked draw away 1-0 1
Leeds (h) destroyed them 2-2 2
Wolves (a) 3-3 threw away 2
Bolton (h) 1-1 murdered them 1-1 2

14 points dropped,everyone drops points,so half it,we should be at least 7 better off.All through silly mistakes.

Tuesday,new start,3 points,no hen-ups!. UTA

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Freeloaders says...
1:41am Sun 25 Nov 12

tug509 wrote:
freeloaders,Charlie Austin would be great,trouble is,Liverpool,Arsenal

,Everton and Villa all think so as well,so where is the money going to come from?.

Chris wood was a descent striker for us at Withdean,but he plays a different role for Millwall,so i guess Gus thought he wouldn`t fit our style,personally i would have given him a go.

As for Murray,you seem to be convinced it was all about money.Our great club made him the best offer any player in our history has ever been offered,but it was him and not the club,that kept putting it off (contract) .

I was led to believe that after he left,he spoke to Gus to try and re-open negotiations,but by then the door had been shut.

Maybe Hoskins will prove the answer,hopefully on Tuesday..UTA
Very good post tug509.But like you say after he left,he spoke to Gus to try and re-open negotiations.From what i understand he was happy to take just 70% to stay with us.So i think its safe to say he was more than happy to stay.Also lets be honest LuaLua & Vicente are on lots more money than Murray wanted.Come to that so is that waste of space Croft.We also pay Harley & Bren Rodgers boy to just go night clubbing in town.Really ask yourselfs how many other clubs apart from poor old Barnet wanted these players on loan.

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KeefyH44 says...
2:18am Sun 25 Nov 12

Hasn't anyone looked at our GD? Of COURSE we're all disappointed at some of our results, particularly today's but our goals for is comparable with all but the top teams and we're playing some awesome football!

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Bucket feet Duffy says...
3:16am Sun 25 Nov 12

I supose we should be happy with the style of football and the way we played at times once agai we dominated play for long periods, give Gus a chance we are not under any pressure of dropping out of this league, and we don't want to suffer the same fate as stains who could drop back down.
All will come to he who waits.
And for the record I don't think Barnes will start on Tuesday

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Eddy B says...
5:44am Sun 25 Nov 12

tug509 wrote:
Far gull wrote:
Like it tug.IMHO matt le tisser made it an art never missed one in his professional career i believe, but am sure someone will correct me.
Its funny Jeff Stelling was only mocking him about a few months ago,the answer is one saved by Crossley.
Le Tissier's conversion rate was incredible, I believe 48 out of 49 in his career. Class player, I wonder if he coaches?

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Eddy B says...
5:53am Sun 25 Nov 12

Very very frustrating again, and I have to say as expected. One goal is never enough and always psychologically dangerous in the last 5 minutes. Bolton weren't in it apart from the first and last 10 minutes when they actually had possession. Have to agree Barnes had a poor game and the 2 follow ups to the penalty save from himself and CMS were bad. The Bolton goalie had a superb game and it was just so predictable that Kuschak who had barely anything to do all match (I just can't believe the bbc stats that say 7 shots from Bolton on target) would be picking the ball out of the net by the end.

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Eddy B says...
5:57am Sun 25 Nov 12

Bemoaning our bad luck and repeating the someone is going to get a hiding soon mantra is getting tiresome. We just need to put away more chances and build up a 2 or 3 goal cushion while we are on top because we are going to need it at the end of matches! I'm sure the best teams don't panic when one up with 5 mins to go but we seem to stop playing - it is happening too often to be a coincidence.

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Eddy B says...
6:04am Sun 25 Nov 12

From the little I've seen of Hoskins he does look good. Dobbie deserves more playing time after some recent performances (he must be feeling a bit peeved not to start the last couple of games). I thought Hammond was slightly poor to be honest, he seems slightly off the pace regularly giving either the ball or fouls away. Bridcutt was immense and alone justifies some more creative players around and ahead of him.

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Eddy B says...
6:07am Sun 25 Nov 12

Despite dropping another 2 points the thing about this league is you are never far from the play offs (or relegation). Any team can beat any other team so it's probably not going to matter much what we do until after Christmas. Turning these draws into victories in the last quarter of the season will probably be enough to get us into the play offs. Who knows we may even see Vicente by then!

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Eddy B says...
6:09am Sun 25 Nov 12

Eddy B wrote:
Despite dropping another 2 points the thing about this league is you are never far from the play offs (or relegation). Any team can beat any other team so it's probably not going to matter much what we do until after Christmas. Turning these draws into victories in the last quarter of the season will probably be enough to get us into the play offs. Who knows we may even see Vicente by then!
The premiership is less forgiving though and I have little doubt we'd be firmly at the bottom if we were in it this season!

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Far gull says...
6:59am Sun 25 Nov 12

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
I supose we should be happy with the style of football and the way we played at times once agai we dominated play for long periods, give Gus a chance we are not under any pressure of dropping out of this league, and we don't want to suffer the same fate as stains who could drop back down.
All will come to he who waits.
And for the record I don't think Barnes will start on Tuesday
Gd post.IMHO january sales req to reduce our wage bill of those not up to it. The problem seems to be nobody wants our squad players and that could be affecting our ability to pay the right money for a decent striker(s).That said not all about money for a top striker . About giving those a chance we already have!!!!! No good gus getting anyone in ie vokes last season then playing only one up front!!!

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Gazza by the sea says...
8:00am Sun 25 Nov 12

What we need is a bit of Ash die-back disease......

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Vicente_1 says...
8:32am Sun 25 Nov 12

Can tell no one on this forum has ever played to a high standard, players dont try and miss! The intelligence to get into the right areas is an art many players would love to have. Hoskins should be given a chance as he looks like a top draw player but no one here sees the players train or knows what jobs players are given.

Its easy to say barnes is rubbish as a spectator.... yeah his finishing is poor he still has 42 goals in around 100 apps wouldnt mind being that rubbish myself! 2 points dropped but another game we proved we are one of the best in the league well get on another run soon and be sitting pretty come march!

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LACHANCE says...
9:00am Sun 25 Nov 12

Freeloaders wrote:
tug509 wrote:
freeloaders,Charlie Austin would be great,trouble is,Liverpool,Arsenal


,Everton and Villa all think so as well,so where is the money going to come from?.

Chris wood was a descent striker for us at Withdean,but he plays a different role for Millwall,so i guess Gus thought he wouldn`t fit our style,personally i would have given him a go.

As for Murray,you seem to be convinced it was all about money.Our great club made him the best offer any player in our history has ever been offered,but it was him and not the club,that kept putting it off (contract) .

I was led to believe that after he left,he spoke to Gus to try and re-open negotiations,but by then the door had been shut.

Maybe Hoskins will prove the answer,hopefully on Tuesday..UTA
Very good post tug509.But like you say after he left,he spoke to Gus to try and re-open negotiations.From what i understand he was happy to take just 70% to stay with us.So i think its safe to say he was more than happy to stay.Also lets be honest LuaLua & Vicente are on lots more money than Murray wanted.Come to that so is that waste of space Croft.We also pay Harley & Bren Rodgers boy to just go night clubbing in town.Really ask yourselfs how many other clubs apart from poor old Barnet wanted these players on loan.
This all comes down to bad management.

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weststandupperlacostearmy says...
9:47am Sun 25 Nov 12

Hoskins must now be given his chance on Tues...ex Bristol Rovers player will be chomping at the bit to put on over on City. Barnes maybe having a bad spell at the moment but dont write him off just yet. He MIGHT come back better for a rest!

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weststandupperlacostearmy says...
9:47am Sun 25 Nov 12

Hoskins must now be given his chance on Tues...ex Bristol Rovers player will be chomping at the bit to put on over on City. Barnes maybe having a bad spell at the moment but dont write him off just yet. He MIGHT come back better for a rest!

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weststandupperlacostearmy says...
9:47am Sun 25 Nov 12

Hoskins must now be given his chance on Tues...ex Bristol Rovers player will be chomping at the bit to put on over on City. Barnes maybe having a bad spell at the moment but dont write him off just yet. He MIGHT come back better for a rest!

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mark by the sea says...
10:28am Sun 25 Nov 12

The football we are playing is the best outside the premiership by any club, as Gus stated, we should have a forward with 15 goals this season,
On the matter of Barnes, I give him a massive credit for taking pens, some of you think it's down to the manager who takes them? Clearly cms does not want to, do we know if we have someone other than Barnes who actually WANTS to take them.?
Two players short of winning the league.

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Gazza by the sea says...
10:52am Sun 25 Nov 12

MBTS - I for one would not slate AB solely for missing a penalty (woeful as it was). It's more the fact that his box of tricks has only 2 tools in it. He works tirelessly (Micky Adams would love him - come on Micky, you know you want to). And he is the worlds best at running back from the halfway line, receiving a pass from the back four or Bridcutt and passing it back to them. I should think he has a 100% pass completion rate for doing that. But to be frank, if I was as fit as him I could do that too.

He is played largely as a midfielder. Put him alongside Orlandi and its like comparing Mozart and Bobby Crush.

He is a wonderfully committed player who played well above himself in getting us out of League One. He is now playing probably two divisions above that which his natural ability justifies.

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mark by the sea says...
10:59am Sun 25 Nov 12

Gazza by the sea wrote:
MBTS - I for one would not slate AB solely for missing a penalty (woeful as it was). It's more the fact that his box of tricks has only 2 tools in it. He works tirelessly (Micky Adams would love him - come on Micky, you know you want to). And he is the worlds best at running back from the halfway line, receiving a pass from the back four or Bridcutt and passing it back to them. I should think he has a 100% pass completion rate for doing that. But to be frank, if I was as fit as him I could do that too.

He is played largely as a midfielder. Put him alongside Orlandi and its like comparing Mozart and Bobby Crush.

He is a wonderfully committed player who played well above himself in getting us out of League One. He is now playing probably two divisions above that which his natural ability justifies.
Agree with your sentiments entirely, I am not a fan, and said so last year to a chorus of "Gus knows best"
Barnes must be dreading the next pen,
I believe Bruno used to take them in Spain? But who wants it more than Barnes .
For me the squad is actually missing that quality who is calm in front of goal, we should be top of the league, and unless that player is brought in at the cost of 1 million plus, we will be lucky to make the play offs.

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saltdeanres says...
11:10am Sun 25 Nov 12

mark by the sea wrote:
The football we are playing is the best outside the premiership by any club, as Gus stated, we should have a forward with 15 goals this season,
On the matter of Barnes, I give him a massive credit for taking pens, some of you think it's down to the manager who takes them? Clearly cms does not want to, do we know if we have someone other than Barnes who actually WANTS to take them.?
Two players short of winning the league.
So you didn't see Dobbie grab the ball in the 89th minute against Wolves and take the perfect penalty?

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mark by the sea says...
11:17am Sun 25 Nov 12

saltdeanres wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
The football we are playing is the best outside the premiership by any club, as Gus stated, we should have a forward with 15 goals this season,
On the matter of Barnes, I give him a massive credit for taking pens, some of you think it's down to the manager who takes them? Clearly cms does not want to, do we know if we have someone other than Barnes who actually WANTS to take them.?
Two players short of winning the league.
So you didn't see Dobbie grab the ball in the 89th minute against Wolves and take the perfect penalty?
But he was not on the pitch! You can't have a penalty kick chosen who is not on the pitch! If he should start, that's another question?

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tooncgull says...
11:17am Sun 25 Nov 12

Ive defended Barnes for a couple of seasons.. he does his job solidly, generally (or did up to the end of last season -top goalscorer remember?).
However - he was awful yesterday - the lad looks lacking in confidence.
At least he volunteered to TAKE a penalty. How many of the the Upper West would have had the bottle?
That said - his penalty was poor, the rebound was awful - keeper lying on the ground to your left, where do you hit it? Low to the left? Aaargh!
Some of the missed chances were laughable... CMS seemed to miss an open goal after the ball came off the bar, Orlandi looked far too casual (again!) for his effort that Bogdan saved....
And those last seconds... I saw Bruno throw his hands up in the air celebrating the win as Kusczak cleared up field... where was he when the player burst down the left moments later? Had he assumed the match was over?

Bitterly disappointing end.. it felt as if the football gods were having an almighty laugh at us, the circumstances were so farcical.

Positives - APart from the finishing, and switching off with 30 seconds to go, we were terrific.

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graham w says...
11:43am Sun 25 Nov 12

i wonder if gus is reading these, most of them are pretty good and right,am i wrong couldnt have gus made a sub at the penalty time taken off you know who B------S.brought on dobbie,he then could have taken pen, game over..we could have won that game comfortably by 6-1 easy, but we didnt thats the bit that hurts us all..

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graham w says...
11:43am Sun 25 Nov 12

i wonder if gus is reading these, most of them are pretty good and right,am i wrong couldnt have gus made a sub at the penalty time taken off you know who B------S.brought on dobbie,he then could have taken pen, game over..we could have won that game comfortably by 6-1 easy, but we didnt thats the bit that hurts us all..

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barnieb says...
11:52am Sun 25 Nov 12

Could not post a comment yesterday as it would have been unprintable.Barnes has cost us at least 6 points this season in missed penalties and wasted chances.He missed the follow up from the penalty,which was easier than the penalty itself,just underlines his inability at this level.Also missed another sitter,open goal that he side-footed straight at the keeper.Cannot understand why Gus persists with this under-achiever.Need a proven goalscorer at this level.Even lowly Bristol City,who we entertain on Tuesday,have scored more goals than we have.It is only our defence that is keeping us out of the relegation zone.

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Gazza by the sea says...
11:53am Sun 25 Nov 12

Strangely enough I don't think Barnes lacks confidence at all. Quite the reverse - he seems to have an arrogance and confidence out of all proportion to his ability. Evidence his continual berating of referees and the manner in which he took the ball off of Orlandi for the penalty. Credit Gus on that point for convincing the emperor that he is actually wearing clothes. I can only assume its hypnosis.

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Cheese Rolls says...
11:56am Sun 25 Nov 12

Truth be told we have been battering teams recently in all departments but the one that really counts, putting it in the back of the net. Sometimes the misses have been diabolical, other times just desperately unlucky. Not sure what the answer is but I wonder what the chances of getting a certain Mr Zamora on loan in Jan?

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Cheese Rolls says...
11:56am Sun 25 Nov 12

Truth be told we have been battering teams recently in all departments but the one that really counts, putting it in the back of the net. Sometimes the misses have been diabolical, other times just desperately unlucky. Not sure what the answer is but I wonder what the chances of getting a certain Mr Zamora on loan in Jan?

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pablobrowno says...
12:15pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Cheese Rolls wrote:
Truth be told we have been battering teams recently in all departments but the one that really counts, putting it in the back of the net. Sometimes the misses have been diabolical, other times just desperately unlucky. Not sure what the answer is but I wonder what the chances of getting a certain Mr Zamora on loan in Jan?
Mr.Zamora is sadly injured and probably out until Feb earliest.

We are all frustrated but look at some of yesterday's results. We are certainly not out of the running and are being so well entertained. Amazing time to be a brighton fan!! That said we need to plug the gaps in our armour, and with a Jason Roberts type.signing in Jan we could well finish our season like they did.last year. Hoskins should.play a part!

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dave from bexill says...
1:01pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Gazza by the sea wrote:
Strangely enough I don't think Barnes lacks confidence at all. Quite the reverse - he seems to have an arrogance and confidence out of all proportion to his ability. Evidence his continual berating of referees and the manner in which he took the ball off of Orlandi for the penalty. Credit Gus on that point for convincing the emperor that he is actually wearing clothes. I can only assume its hypnosis.
I think you are right in your view of Barnes Gazza. I try not to be negative about individual players, but have watched the game for enough years to know his all round game is hardly at championship level and not just because of the penalty miss and even worse follow up.I often hear it said that he works hard, so do most players in Divs 1,2,and the Conference. Doesn't make them decent footballers.
Orlandi missed a very good chance yesterday, as all players do from time to time, the difference being he's an excellent, player(my man of the match yesterday)
It's easy with the benefit of hindsight, but I thought Gus partly got his tactics wrong yesterday seeming to want to hold what we had rather than play both Will Hoskins and CMS together at the end and really push on for the second decisive goal.
There, I hope that's the end of my negativity for the week. Bring on Bristol.

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Alfie T says...
1:17pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Gazza by the sea wrote:
MBTS - I for one would not slate AB solely for missing a penalty (woeful as it was). It's more the fact that his box of tricks has only 2 tools in it. He works tirelessly (Micky Adams would love him - come on Micky, you know you want to). And he is the worlds best at running back from the halfway line, receiving a pass from the back four or Bridcutt and passing it back to them. I should think he has a 100% pass completion rate for doing that. But to be frank, if I was as fit as him I could do that too.

He is played largely as a midfielder. Put him alongside Orlandi and its like comparing Mozart and Bobby Crush.

He is a wonderfully committed player who played well above himself in getting us out of League One. He is now playing probably two divisions above that which his natural ability justifies.
Great post Gazza. How's this for an idea, have a free kick/penalty taker on the bench and bring him on for set plays just as the kicker comes on in American footie....

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Gee Jay says...
1:31pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Teams coming here will now know we are 'flakey' in the closing minutes and injury time, so their managers will tell them to pile on the pressure if they are a goal behind.
Ashley needs putting on the bench for a couple of games, and this should give him a wake up call. Oh, and give Bruno the penalty duties if CMS does not like taking them.
Will Hoskins has to be given more time on the pitch.

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mark by the sea says...
1:58pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Gee Jay wrote:
Teams coming here will now know we are 'flakey' in the closing minutes and injury time, so their managers will tell them to pile on the pressure if they are a goal behind.
Ashley needs putting on the bench for a couple of games, and this should give him a wake up call. Oh, and give Bruno the penalty duties if CMS does not like taking them.
Will Hoskins has to be given more time on the pitch.
Think that's going to be a problem . Truth is we should have been 4 _ 0 up at half time, most one sided 45 minutes at the Amex.

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tinker111 says...
2:22pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Neville wrote:
Yes you are the one who persists with Barnes irrespective of how he plays and today he was absymal. He needs to be dropped and Dobbie,Lopez,Hoskins

-anybody! given a chance. The penalty reports say it was a good save,rubbish the penalty was in the centre and low and hit the keeper in the midriff and the follow up was even more dire.V dissapointed fan.
YOU ARE TALKING OUT OF YOUR A?S about Barnes HE works for the team (WERE YOU THERE OR DO YOU NOT KNOW FOOTBALL ?) me thinks not and if he had been on the pitch you would have seen him track back to help in defend at the end as would have CMS but NO GUS HAD TO MAKE RUBBISH SUBS CROFT C???P Dicker would have held together

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tinker111 says...
2:26pm Sun 25 Nov 12

LACHANCE wrote:
Barns must go not good enough for this type of football.
C??P

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tinker111 says...
2:27pm Sun 25 Nov 12

lmspike wrote:
Barnes is awful ben saying it for 2 years and every game he seems to get worse. Gus you need to leave him out of the team for a while. I paying for my tickets, shirts, beers, and everything else I get from the club I am paying your wages Mr Barnes, I think I want my money back.
CRAP WERE YOU THERE OR DO EVER WATCH THE ALBION??

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tinker111 says...
2:39pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Once only now these posts re Barnes ARE RUBBISH His work rate is way above other's yes his pen take was bad and MANAGER SHOULD SAY WHO should be taking spot kick's not I LEAVE IT TO THEM "GUS QUOTE" and to you all IF YOU WERE THERE???? HE HE then stop **** it was a very good open match to watch and 1 of the best at Amex so far,just got a bit wrong by BAD GUS SUBS.

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tinker111 says...
3:05pm Sun 25 Nov 12

wiseman of hove wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
Played some fantastic football today against a thuggish and average Bolton side,Orlandi was outstanding, my motm. Barnes needs to go, it was a bad enough penalty miss but the follow up was pathetic, the goalkeeper was practically lying down with two thirds of the goal empty. Hoskins did more in the few minutes he was on, but for a great save would have won the game for us.
Orlandi was simply superb and astonished that he was not motm. Apart from his wide range of skills, he rode some rough stuff most impressively.
Should have been Bridcutt all that was good went via him MOM

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VegasSeagull says...
3:24pm Sun 25 Nov 12

I didn't see the game so I am talking a tad blind here but from the reports it seems that we did the same to Bolton as we did to Sheffield Wednesday, we ruled over them in all departments and played some great football.
The difference between the two matches was that against Bolton we didn't finish enough of our chances and that is down to the strikers and others on the park.
Think about how many training sessions the squad has had since the start of the season and we still can't find a decent penalty taker.
CMS can't do it alone and Barnes is not the answer to help him. We signed Dobbie on a three year deal and he spends more time on the bench than he does playing and Barnes is keeping him there, I would like to hear Gus explain that one.

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Claude Back says...
3:58pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Vince wrote:
Barnes has to make way for Hoskins and Dobbie (possibly one half each).

Listening to the commentary, Crofts was at fault in getting caught offside, when we had possession of the ball up at their end. If we had kept the ball there we would have won 1-0. Hoskins is a class act and can hold the ball up well. Dobbie also has skills and a great shot. Surely if he had been on the field he would have had several chances to shoot - something he can do far better than most of our other forward players. Probably a couple of goals for him, and then at least one for Hoskins if he had been given 20 minutes. Both these players have far more class than the hard-working but limited Barnes.

In summary I blame Gus for failing to press home our dominance by only giving 5 minutes to Hoskins and no time at all to Dobbie, leaving a far inferior player like Barnes on the pitch. That is plain stupid to me.

By trying to hold on to our leads near the end, we give other teams hope, we then defend to deep, make panic clearances, and hand the initiative to our opponents. This "90th minute syndrome" (a collective lack of composure) and Gus 's negative tactics mean that we keep on being the architects of our own downfall.
Exactly!
No further comment really needed except why can't Gus see Hoskins is a much better player than Barnes? Gus may have been a better footballer than any of us but that still does not mean his opinion is always right. I like to think that my many, many year watching and playing football enables me to see the reality of some things and I am sure a lot of us feel the same. You don't have to have been a great player to have a good grasp of football tactics and be a good judge of a player.

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Claude Back says...
4:11pm Sun 25 Nov 12

tinker111 wrote:
Once only now these posts re Barnes ARE RUBBISH His work rate is way above other's yes his pen take was bad and MANAGER SHOULD SAY WHO should be taking spot kick's not I LEAVE IT TO THEM "GUS QUOTE" and to you all IF YOU WERE THERE???? HE HE then stop **** it was a very good open match to watch and 1 of the best at Amex so far,just got a bit wrong by BAD GUS SUBS.
English is not your native language, is it?
From what I can decipher it is clear that your opinion on football matters bears very little resemblance to reality.

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weststandupperlacostearmy says...
6:24pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Vicente_1 wrote:
Can tell no one on this forum has ever played to a high standard, players dont try and miss! The intelligence to get into the right areas is an art many players would love to have. Hoskins should be given a chance as he looks like a top draw player but no one here sees the players train or knows what jobs players are given.

Its easy to say barnes is rubbish as a spectator.... yeah his finishing is poor he still has 42 goals in around 100 apps wouldnt mind being that rubbish myself! 2 points dropped but another game we proved we are one of the best in the league well get on another run soon and be sitting pretty come march!
dont stop taking the medicine sick note! you are clearly deluded if you think we will be sitting pretty in March. Can we not terminate Vicente contract now and move on?

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LACHANCE says...
7:01pm Sun 25 Nov 12

tinker111 are you short sighted or Barns
Brother?

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WiseOldSeagull says...
7:25pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Big balls to Barnes for stepping up for the pen but the rebound should have been slotted away nicely to the keepers gaping right. That was a school boy finish. And reading between the lines of GP's post match interview I think he's had enough of Barnes despite his hard work and discipline.

As many have already said we simply lack a cool head in front of goal. Time for Dobbie and Hoskins to be given a chance.

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Baldseagull says...
11:14pm Sun 25 Nov 12

I have seen worse penalty kicks by better strikers than Barnes.
Check out Neymar against Colombia, possibly the worst penalty miss ever from an exceptionally gifted player.

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