Gus: We couldn't afford to keep Murray

The Argus: Glenn Murray scored 22 goals as Albion won League One Glenn Murray scored 22 goals as Albion won League One

Albion boss Gus Poyet insists the club could not afford to keep Glenn Murray.

But he admits he was surprised by the centre forward’s decision to join big rivals Crystal Palace.

Poyet takes his in-form team to Selhurst Park tomorrow with Murray on a prolific streak.

He has hit 15 goals in 16 outings this season, including two home hat-tricks and seven in his last three appearances at Selhurst.

Murray, 29, quit Albion for Palace for a 75% hike in wages in May 2011 after spearheading the Seagulls’ League One title success with 22 goals.

His controversial departure has baffled some supporters, as Albion continue their long search for a target man but Poyet told The Argus: “It’s simple, at that time we couldn’t pay him within our budget. We were not able to pay that amount of money at that time. “He was our top scorer. You don’t let your top scorer go away for free but we couldn’t (afford him).

“That has nothing to do with now. I know people are going to say ‘What is he talking about now, they are paying this player this or this player that’.

“At that time, when he left the club, we couldn’t. It was impossible.

“Of course, at that time you don’t know where he is going to go and you don’t expect him to go to Palace. That is his decision and his family’s decision, so fair enough.”

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9:40am Fri 30 Nov 12

seagullsays says...

As always, money talks. It's a short career, and who wouldn't take a 75% increase in their wages? It's a shame it was Palace, but why should he worry about that? Just hope he has a shocking game tomorrow.
As always, money talks. It's a short career, and who wouldn't take a 75% increase in their wages? It's a shame it was Palace, but why should he worry about that? Just hope he has a shocking game tomorrow. seagullsays

9:44am Fri 30 Nov 12

lordenglandofsussex says...

This is why the Albion is better off in the Championship for the foreseeable future. The Premiership is a cash drain which has, in my opinion, damaged English football.
This is why the Albion is better off in the Championship for the foreseeable future. The Premiership is a cash drain which has, in my opinion, damaged English football. lordenglandofsussex

9:49am Fri 30 Nov 12

Jonathan Mouette says...

Maybe Adam El-Abd will show him the error of his ways, one way or another! A couple from CMS and Hosko would be nice - a clean sheet would just be icing on the cake. Fingers are obviously crossed...!
Maybe Adam El-Abd will show him the error of his ways, one way or another! A couple from CMS and Hosko would be nice - a clean sheet would just be icing on the cake. Fingers are obviously crossed...! Jonathan Mouette

10:09am Fri 30 Nov 12

tug509 says...

When this money grabbing traitor last came up on this site,i said at the time that had he showed some loyalty and stayed until we moved to the Amex,Mr Bloom and Gus would make it worth his while. I would put good money that we would now be paying him more than they are!.

The two worst things in football,greed and disloyalty...Regardl
ess of the score tomorrow,he will know in his heart that he made a very big mistake..UTA
When this money grabbing traitor last came up on this site,i said at the time that had he showed some loyalty and stayed until we moved to the Amex,Mr Bloom and Gus would make it worth his while. I would put good money that we would now be paying him more than they are!. The two worst things in football,greed and disloyalty...Regardl ess of the score tomorrow,he will know in his heart that he made a very big mistake..UTA tug509

10:12am Fri 30 Nov 12

Alan G Skinner says...

There seems little point labouring this point any more. Is Glenn Murray a good player, yes he is. Is Glenn Murray a Brighton player, no he is not. Let's stop talking about other teams players and concentrate on how we are going to approach this game. Win it and its a huge boost to our promotion campaign. Can we beat Palace, yes we can. How do we beat Palace? We must impose our game on them, we must be strong in defence, we must dominate the midfield and we must take our chances when they come. We must be patient and we must dominate possesion as much as possilble, because Palace have a lot of power in their side, we need to retain possession and frustrate them. Let's hope Bridge is available, because I think our defence is stronger with him in the side and his pace gives us a chance to break quickly. Do I think we will win, actually yes I do. Seagulls Seagulls.
There seems little point labouring this point any more. Is Glenn Murray a good player, yes he is. Is Glenn Murray a Brighton player, no he is not. Let's stop talking about other teams players and concentrate on how we are going to approach this game. Win it and its a huge boost to our promotion campaign. Can we beat Palace, yes we can. How do we beat Palace? We must impose our game on them, we must be strong in defence, we must dominate the midfield and we must take our chances when they come. We must be patient and we must dominate possesion as much as possilble, because Palace have a lot of power in their side, we need to retain possession and frustrate them. Let's hope Bridge is available, because I think our defence is stronger with him in the side and his pace gives us a chance to break quickly. Do I think we will win, actually yes I do. Seagulls Seagulls. Alan G Skinner

10:14am Fri 30 Nov 12

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

Hmmm.., given they then went and spent over £2M on CMS, this seems an odd statement to make.
Hmmm.., given they then went and spent over £2M on CMS, this seems an odd statement to make. Willie, Willie Irvine

10:25am Fri 30 Nov 12

tug509 says...

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
Hmmm.., given they then went and spent over £2M on CMS, this seems an odd statement to make.
Not really Willie,that is my point,TB and GP had to wait and see how the finances were going to pan out. After all who expected nearly 19,000 ST in our first season at the Amex,thats how we could afford CMS, a little faith and loyalty and im sure GM wages would also have increased..UTA
[quote][p][bold]Willie, Willie Irvine[/bold] wrote: Hmmm.., given they then went and spent over £2M on CMS, this seems an odd statement to make.[/p][/quote]Not really Willie,that is my point,TB and GP had to wait and see how the finances were going to pan out. After all who expected nearly 19,000 ST in our first season at the Amex,thats how we could afford CMS, a little faith and loyalty and im sure GM wages would also have increased..UTA tug509

10:27am Fri 30 Nov 12

pjwilk says...

Strange he was here for many seasons and suddenly we cant afford him,usually parties can thrash out a compromise if BOTH parties are willing.But going to a poorer team like Palace does not make sense.Seems like Gus was making a point and exercising his authority.
Strange he was here for many seasons and suddenly we cant afford him,usually parties can thrash out a compromise if BOTH parties are willing.But going to a poorer team like Palace does not make sense.Seems like Gus was making a point and exercising his authority. pjwilk

10:32am Fri 30 Nov 12

LACHANCE says...

Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
Hmmm.., given they then went and spent over £2M on CMS, this seems an odd statement to make.
Good post
[quote][p][bold]Willie, Willie Irvine[/bold] wrote: Hmmm.., given they then went and spent over £2M on CMS, this seems an odd statement to make.[/p][/quote]Good post LACHANCE

10:40am Fri 30 Nov 12

tug509 says...

LACHANCE wrote:
Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:
Hmmm.., given they then went and spent over £2M on CMS, this seems an odd statement to make.
Good post
Maybe im missing something but,imho,after securing promotion,we were always going to need another striker,whether it is to complement GM or as a squad player for injuries. Who and how expensive that striker is depends on finance,ST,and GM leaving only made the need for a good striker more imperative.
[quote][p][bold]LACHANCE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Willie, Willie Irvine[/bold] wrote: Hmmm.., given they then went and spent over £2M on CMS, this seems an odd statement to make.[/p][/quote]Good post[/p][/quote]Maybe im missing something but,imho,after securing promotion,we were always going to need another striker,whether it is to complement GM or as a squad player for injuries. Who and how expensive that striker is depends on finance,ST,and GM leaving only made the need for a good striker more imperative. tug509

10:52am Fri 30 Nov 12

Alfie T says...

By today's Albion pay structure Murrays current salary at a guess £14k a week wouldn't be unreasonable. CMS is rumoured to be on £20k, I'm surprised Palarse could afford him though, if he keeps scoring they may well turn a tasty profit if he departs.
By today's Albion pay structure Murrays current salary at a guess £14k a week wouldn't be unreasonable. CMS is rumoured to be on £20k, I'm surprised Palarse could afford him though, if he keeps scoring they may well turn a tasty profit if he departs. Alfie T

10:53am Fri 30 Nov 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

pjwilk wrote:
Strange he was here for many seasons and suddenly we cant afford him,usually parties can thrash out a compromise if BOTH parties are willing.But going to a poorer team like Palace does not make sense.Seems like Gus was making a point and exercising his authority.
He was here, then his contract came up for renewal and a third party (Palace) were willing to pay him far more than we could at the time. Do you think many of the Albion players will manage to get a 75% increase in wages when they renegotiate their contracts? No.

This isn't complicated. :-)
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: Strange he was here for many seasons and suddenly we cant afford him,usually parties can thrash out a compromise if BOTH parties are willing.But going to a poorer team like Palace does not make sense.Seems like Gus was making a point and exercising his authority.[/p][/quote]He was here, then his contract came up for renewal and a third party (Palace) were willing to pay him far more than we could at the time. Do you think many of the Albion players will manage to get a 75% increase in wages when they renegotiate their contracts? No. This isn't complicated. :-) Old Scrote of the Amex

11:03am Fri 30 Nov 12

B rian Tawses left foot says...

tug509 says...
10:09am Fri 30 Nov 12

When this money grabbing traitor last came up on this site,i said at the time that had he showed some loyalty and stayed until we moved to the Amex,Mr Bloom and Gus would make it worth his while. I would put good money that we would now be paying him more than they are!.

The two worst things in football,greed and disloyalty...Regardl

ess of the score tomorrow,he will know in his heart that he made a very big mistake..UTA”

A profoundly foolish posting. Loyalty is strictly for supporters NOT players. They have a relatively short career and have to do the best for themselves and their families. Which of us would not do the same ?
tug509 says... 10:09am Fri 30 Nov 12 When this money grabbing traitor last came up on this site,i said at the time that had he showed some loyalty and stayed until we moved to the Amex,Mr Bloom and Gus would make it worth his while. I would put good money that we would now be paying him more than they are!. The two worst things in football,greed and disloyalty...Regardl ess of the score tomorrow,he will know in his heart that he made a very big mistake..UTA” A profoundly foolish posting. Loyalty is strictly for supporters NOT players. They have a relatively short career and have to do the best for themselves and their families. Which of us would not do the same ? B rian Tawses left foot

11:05am Fri 30 Nov 12

tug509 says...

For anyone who hasn`t got a ticket for the game or the Beam-back,it looks like Firstrow sports,VIP sport and Coolsportz,are streaming the game tomorrow..UTA
For anyone who hasn`t got a ticket for the game or the Beam-back,it looks like Firstrow sports,VIP sport and Coolsportz,are streaming the game tomorrow..UTA tug509

11:06am Fri 30 Nov 12

Neville says...

The wage cap on salaries at the time Murray left would have prevented us paying him the reported 75% increase.
Although the cap has been increased this season that sort of wage would still have een out of reach and suggestions that CMS is on £20k per week are far of the mark ,there is a cap on currently that is well below that.
The only option at the time he left and it was on a free transfer as his contract had expired, would may have been to offer some sort of bonus per season,if that could have been agreed then we would have the fall back of being able to ask a transfer fee if he decided to leave in that period. The galling thing is we were not in any position to demand a fee.
The wage cap on salaries at the time Murray left would have prevented us paying him the reported 75% increase. Although the cap has been increased this season that sort of wage would still have een out of reach and suggestions that CMS is on £20k per week are far of the mark ,there is a cap on currently that is well below that. The only option at the time he left and it was on a free transfer as his contract had expired, would may have been to offer some sort of bonus per season,if that could have been agreed then we would have the fall back of being able to ask a transfer fee if he decided to leave in that period. The galling thing is we were not in any position to demand a fee. Neville

11:30am Fri 30 Nov 12

tug509 says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
tug509 says...
10:09am Fri 30 Nov 12

When this money grabbing traitor last came up on this site,i said at the time that had he showed some loyalty and stayed until we moved to the Amex,Mr Bloom and Gus would make it worth his while. I would put good money that we would now be paying him more than they are!.

The two worst things in football,greed and disloyalty...Regardl


ess of the score tomorrow,he will know in his heart that he made a very big mistake..UTA”

A profoundly foolish posting. Loyalty is strictly for supporters NOT players. They have a relatively short career and have to do the best for themselves and their families. Which of us would not do the same ?
Im quite certain i`ve made some foolish posts,but this most definitely is not one.
All through football history,every team without exception has players who have repaid their clubs with loyalty.
That doesn`t mean if a rival offers you double your wages you shouldn`t take it.
But if that club is responsible for turning you into the player you are,then imo you owe them the opportunity to meet that offer or at the least make some concessions. My problem with GM was he would have known his wage increase ahead of the start of the new season,all he had to do was to level with TB and GP.

AS soon as the ST sales went through the roof,he would have been offered a new contract and better salary. But just like Sterling at Liverpool this morning,greed got the better and he wanted it there and then,no give and take.

Give me players like Kerry Mayo,Gary Hart,Michel Kuipers,Adam El Abd,Charlie Oatway,anyday!!!..UT
A
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: tug509 says... 10:09am Fri 30 Nov 12 When this money grabbing traitor last came up on this site,i said at the time that had he showed some loyalty and stayed until we moved to the Amex,Mr Bloom and Gus would make it worth his while. I would put good money that we would now be paying him more than they are!. The two worst things in football,greed and disloyalty...Regardl ess of the score tomorrow,he will know in his heart that he made a very big mistake..UTA” A profoundly foolish posting. Loyalty is strictly for supporters NOT players. They have a relatively short career and have to do the best for themselves and their families. Which of us would not do the same ?[/p][/quote]Im quite certain i`ve made some foolish posts,but this most definitely is not one. All through football history,every team without exception has players who have repaid their clubs with loyalty. That doesn`t mean if a rival offers you double your wages you shouldn`t take it. But if that club is responsible for turning you into the player you are,then imo you owe them the opportunity to meet that offer or at the least make some concessions. My problem with GM was he would have known his wage increase ahead of the start of the new season,all he had to do was to level with TB and GP. AS soon as the ST sales went through the roof,he would have been offered a new contract and better salary. But just like Sterling at Liverpool this morning,greed got the better and he wanted it there and then,no give and take. Give me players like Kerry Mayo,Gary Hart,Michel Kuipers,Adam El Abd,Charlie Oatway,anyday!!!..UT A tug509

11:34am Fri 30 Nov 12

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

Whatever... Palace have Murray and he's currently scoring goals (you can't knock his penalties when you think of ours). Palace now have a very good manager, several quality players and they happen to be well placed in the Championship. So overall, it's going pretty well at the moment. Only the rabid oppostion supporter would write them off, in my view.
Show your class tomorrow Albion, 0-1 will be just fine..!
Whatever... Palace have Murray and he's currently scoring goals (you can't knock his penalties when you think of ours). Palace now have a very good manager, several quality players and they happen to be well placed in the Championship. So overall, it's going pretty well at the moment. Only the rabid oppostion supporter would write them off, in my view. Show your class tomorrow Albion, 0-1 will be just fine..! Willie, Willie Irvine

12:05pm Fri 30 Nov 12

B rian Tawses left foot says...

tug509 says...
11:30am Fri 30 Nov 12


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
tug509 says...
10:09am Fri 30 Nov 12

When this money grabbing traitor last came up on this site,i said at the time that had he showed some loyalty and stayed until we moved to the Amex,Mr Bloom and Gus would make it worth his while. I would put good money that we would now be paying him more than they are!.

The two worst things in football,greed and disloyalty...Regardl



ess of the score tomorrow,he will know in his heart that he made a very big mistake..UTA”

A profoundly foolish posting. Loyalty is strictly for supporters NOT players. They have a relatively short career and have to do the best for themselves and their families. Which of us would not do the same ?
Im quite certain i`ve made some foolish posts,but this most definitely is not one.
All through football history,every team without exception has players who have repaid their clubs with loyalty.
That doesn`t mean if a rival offers you double your wages you shouldn`t take it.
But if that club is responsible for turning you into the player you are,then imo you owe them the opportunity to meet that offer or at the least make some concessions. My problem with GM was he would have known his wage increase ahead of the start of the new season,all he had to do was to level with TB and GP.

AS soon as the ST sales went through the roof,he would have been offered a new contract and better salary. But just like Sterling at Liverpool this morning,greed got the better and he wanted it there and then,no give and take.

Give me players like Kerry Mayo,Gary Hart,Michel Kuipers,Adam El Abd,Charlie Oatway,anyday!!!..

I don't remember clubs coming in for any of the above mentioned players and offering to increase their wages by 75 per cent. This might explain their 'loyalty'.
tug509 says... 11:30am Fri 30 Nov 12 B rian Tawses left foot wrote: tug509 says... 10:09am Fri 30 Nov 12 When this money grabbing traitor last came up on this site,i said at the time that had he showed some loyalty and stayed until we moved to the Amex,Mr Bloom and Gus would make it worth his while. I would put good money that we would now be paying him more than they are!. The two worst things in football,greed and disloyalty...Regardl ess of the score tomorrow,he will know in his heart that he made a very big mistake..UTA” A profoundly foolish posting. Loyalty is strictly for supporters NOT players. They have a relatively short career and have to do the best for themselves and their families. Which of us would not do the same ? Im quite certain i`ve made some foolish posts,but this most definitely is not one. All through football history,every team without exception has players who have repaid their clubs with loyalty. That doesn`t mean if a rival offers you double your wages you shouldn`t take it. But if that club is responsible for turning you into the player you are,then imo you owe them the opportunity to meet that offer or at the least make some concessions. My problem with GM was he would have known his wage increase ahead of the start of the new season,all he had to do was to level with TB and GP. AS soon as the ST sales went through the roof,he would have been offered a new contract and better salary. But just like Sterling at Liverpool this morning,greed got the better and he wanted it there and then,no give and take. Give me players like Kerry Mayo,Gary Hart,Michel Kuipers,Adam El Abd,Charlie Oatway,anyday!!!.. I don't remember clubs coming in for any of the above mentioned players and offering to increase their wages by 75 per cent. This might explain their 'loyalty'. B rian Tawses left foot

12:14pm Fri 30 Nov 12

VegasSeagull says...

AT THAT TIME, the most important words. Talks would have been ongoing before his contract expired and at that time Brighton could not meet his demands, as Gus says, 'it's simple.'

75% increase in wages, sounds a lot but is it really. How much could we have been paying him considering what our revenues were, at that time. I would guess that there are several players within our team making more than he is right now.
AT THAT TIME, the most important words. Talks would have been ongoing before his contract expired and at that time Brighton could not meet his demands, as Gus says, 'it's simple.' 75% increase in wages, sounds a lot but is it really. How much could we have been paying him considering what our revenues were, at that time. I would guess that there are several players within our team making more than he is right now. VegasSeagull

12:29pm Fri 30 Nov 12

kentseagull says...

I'd rather have good players than loyal players...why would footballers be any more loyal to their employer than you or I....?
Even less so - they only have a 15 year career at most, with 5 or 6 of those years making decent money. For a footballer it is about winning and money. If I was Glenn Murray and I had 2 offers on the table, one 75% higher than the other I would have done the same thing, even as a Brighton fan. We should have secured him on a longer contract in the first place that allowed for an increase if we were promoted. This palace rivalry is over played anyway....
I'd rather have good players than loyal players...why would footballers be any more loyal to their employer than you or I....? Even less so - they only have a 15 year career at most, with 5 or 6 of those years making decent money. For a footballer it is about winning and money. If I was Glenn Murray and I had 2 offers on the table, one 75% higher than the other I would have done the same thing, even as a Brighton fan. We should have secured him on a longer contract in the first place that allowed for an increase if we were promoted. This palace rivalry is over played anyway.... kentseagull

12:37pm Fri 30 Nov 12

tug509 says...

B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
tug509 says...
11:30am Fri 30 Nov 12


B rian Tawses left foot wrote:
tug509 says...
10:09am Fri 30 Nov 12

When this money grabbing traitor last came up on this site,i said at the time that had he showed some loyalty and stayed until we moved to the Amex,Mr Bloom and Gus would make it worth his while. I would put good money that we would now be paying him more than they are!.

The two worst things in football,greed and disloyalty...Regardl




ess of the score tomorrow,he will know in his heart that he made a very big mistake..UTA”

A profoundly foolish posting. Loyalty is strictly for supporters NOT players. They have a relatively short career and have to do the best for themselves and their families. Which of us would not do the same ?
Im quite certain i`ve made some foolish posts,but this most definitely is not one.
All through football history,every team without exception has players who have repaid their clubs with loyalty.
That doesn`t mean if a rival offers you double your wages you shouldn`t take it.
But if that club is responsible for turning you into the player you are,then imo you owe them the opportunity to meet that offer or at the least make some concessions. My problem with GM was he would have known his wage increase ahead of the start of the new season,all he had to do was to level with TB and GP.

AS soon as the ST sales went through the roof,he would have been offered a new contract and better salary. But just like Sterling at Liverpool this morning,greed got the better and he wanted it there and then,no give and take.

Give me players like Kerry Mayo,Gary Hart,Michel Kuipers,Adam El Abd,Charlie Oatway,anyday!!!..

I don't remember clubs coming in for any of the above mentioned players and offering to increase their wages by 75 per cent. This might explain their 'loyalty'.
First of all he asked for 75% ,who said he got it?.
Secondly they didn`t have a transfer fee to pay,otherwise he wouldn`t have gone to them,because they couldn`t afford 75% increase.
Thirdly,he is reputed to have come back to Gus after NOT getting 75% increase,from them and trying to reopen negotiations,apparen
tly he had burnt his bridges.
And lastly,who in their right minds offers ANY lower league player 75% straight increase until they are at least proven at that level??.
Having said that how do you know who did or didn`t offer what to any of the players i mentioned.As far as im aware supporters aren`t consulted on the buying ,selling or negotiations of every player in the squad,you are obviously more privileged than the rest of us!.UTA
[quote][p][bold]B rian Tawses left foot[/bold] wrote: tug509 says... 11:30am Fri 30 Nov 12 B rian Tawses left foot wrote: tug509 says... 10:09am Fri 30 Nov 12 When this money grabbing traitor last came up on this site,i said at the time that had he showed some loyalty and stayed until we moved to the Amex,Mr Bloom and Gus would make it worth his while. I would put good money that we would now be paying him more than they are!. The two worst things in football,greed and disloyalty...Regardl ess of the score tomorrow,he will know in his heart that he made a very big mistake..UTA” A profoundly foolish posting. Loyalty is strictly for supporters NOT players. They have a relatively short career and have to do the best for themselves and their families. Which of us would not do the same ? Im quite certain i`ve made some foolish posts,but this most definitely is not one. All through football history,every team without exception has players who have repaid their clubs with loyalty. That doesn`t mean if a rival offers you double your wages you shouldn`t take it. But if that club is responsible for turning you into the player you are,then imo you owe them the opportunity to meet that offer or at the least make some concessions. My problem with GM was he would have known his wage increase ahead of the start of the new season,all he had to do was to level with TB and GP. AS soon as the ST sales went through the roof,he would have been offered a new contract and better salary. But just like Sterling at Liverpool this morning,greed got the better and he wanted it there and then,no give and take. Give me players like Kerry Mayo,Gary Hart,Michel Kuipers,Adam El Abd,Charlie Oatway,anyday!!!.. I don't remember clubs coming in for any of the above mentioned players and offering to increase their wages by 75 per cent. This might explain their 'loyalty'.[/p][/quote]First of all he asked for 75% ,who said he got it?. Secondly they didn`t have a transfer fee to pay,otherwise he wouldn`t have gone to them,because they couldn`t afford 75% increase. Thirdly,he is reputed to have come back to Gus after NOT getting 75% increase,from them and trying to reopen negotiations,apparen tly he had burnt his bridges. And lastly,who in their right minds offers ANY lower league player 75% straight increase until they are at least proven at that level??. Having said that how do you know who did or didn`t offer what to any of the players i mentioned.As far as im aware supporters aren`t consulted on the buying ,selling or negotiations of every player in the squad,you are obviously more privileged than the rest of us!.UTA tug509

12:38pm Fri 30 Nov 12

gusset snatcher says...

The truth of the matter is Gusset didn't think he could cut it in the championship regardless. Own up Gusset, you made a mistake....... and a big, big one at that
The truth of the matter is Gusset didn't think he could cut it in the championship regardless. Own up Gusset, you made a mistake....... and a big, big one at that gusset snatcher

12:41pm Fri 30 Nov 12

simonp503 says...

Sure Murray is banging them in for CP, however that doesn't automatically mean he would b doing the same 4 us if he'd stayed, at the end of the day good luck 2 him I know I would quit my job 2morrow if I was offered a 75% pay rise
Sure Murray is banging them in for CP, however that doesn't automatically mean he would b doing the same 4 us if he'd stayed, at the end of the day good luck 2 him I know I would quit my job 2morrow if I was offered a 75% pay rise simonp503

12:46pm Fri 30 Nov 12

fairweathersupporter says...

The good the bad and the ugly... (you decide).

1. He is now a Palarse player and it is unforgivable to move out rivals. I hate Palace in a non standing up kind of way. I wish them ill in a comical kind of way.
2. Were i a professional footballer with a limited time to apply my trade and provide a better life for my family, i know what i would do. Especially as loyalty is a one way street. How many of the 'anyone but Barnes' club would happily reward his loyalty were it to be demostrated in the fashion suggested?
3. I applaud Andy Naylor for addressing the issue which (if not answered previously) has been the source of ongoing debate for the last season and a half. There you go. We couldn't afford him. Didn't have the budget available at the time. Budget has now improved but he took his chances elsewhere. With a firm offer on the table. End of (not)...

Now Andy... What Gus's thoughts on our need for a new striker (if there is one)? Is Vicente anywhere near fit? Oh and is he still considering a new centre back?

Ta FW.
The good the bad and the ugly... (you decide). 1. He is now a Palarse player and it is unforgivable to move out rivals. I hate Palace in a non standing up kind of way. I wish them ill in a comical kind of way. 2. Were i a professional footballer with a limited time to apply my trade and provide a better life for my family, i know what i would do. Especially as loyalty is a one way street. How many of the 'anyone but Barnes' club would happily reward his loyalty were it to be demostrated in the fashion suggested? 3. I applaud Andy Naylor for addressing the issue which (if not answered previously) has been the source of ongoing debate for the last season and a half. There you go. We couldn't afford him. Didn't have the budget available at the time. Budget has now improved but he took his chances elsewhere. With a firm offer on the table. End of (not)... Now Andy... What Gus's thoughts on our need for a new striker (if there is one)? Is Vicente anywhere near fit? Oh and is he still considering a new centre back? Ta FW. fairweathersupporter

12:56pm Fri 30 Nov 12

GosportGull says...

Always makes laugh when i see people write that football players have short careers so should be paid alot of money ! So do they become unemployable after they have hung up their boots then ? So coaching, management, media or some other job isnt a second career ? I would love to be paid a million a month (Rooney) over a "short" career or 10/15 years !
If they get injured they are insured against earnings as well.. so its a win win for most !

Right back to tomorrow , i think we can do it ! I have a gut instinct that lots of players have points to prove , small personal battles and it will raise our game and we can show what an amazing team we are !
I fancy Hoskins and CMS to start and get 3 bewteen them ! Come on ALBION !!!
Always makes laugh when i see people write that football players have short careers so should be paid alot of money ! So do they become unemployable after they have hung up their boots then ? So coaching, management, media or some other job isnt a second career ? I would love to be paid a million a month (Rooney) over a "short" career or 10/15 years ! If they get injured they are insured against earnings as well.. so its a win win for most ! Right back to tomorrow , i think we can do it ! I have a gut instinct that lots of players have points to prove , small personal battles and it will raise our game and we can show what an amazing team we are ! I fancy Hoskins and CMS to start and get 3 bewteen them ! Come on ALBION !!! GosportGull

1:11pm Fri 30 Nov 12

mr punch says...

I got no interest in Murray, only in our own abilities. We been threatening to give someone a proper beating and tomorrow would be just perfect.
I got no interest in Murray, only in our own abilities. We been threatening to give someone a proper beating and tomorrow would be just perfect. mr punch

1:22pm Fri 30 Nov 12

VegasSeagull says...

If we want a win tomorrow we have to do a couple of things to get it, IMHO. Palace have two very good midfield players, Zaha and Garvan and a couple of decent ones too, Dikgacoi and Moritz, we must get a grip on the first two mentioned.
Murray is really the only striker they have shut him down and or, shut off his supply from midfield.

We have a better keeper and a better back four but only Buckley can match them in midfield quality.

To my mind this game will be won or lost in midfield.
If we want a win tomorrow we have to do a couple of things to get it, IMHO. Palace have two very good midfield players, Zaha and Garvan and a couple of decent ones too, Dikgacoi and Moritz, we must get a grip on the first two mentioned. Murray is really the only striker they have shut him down and or, shut off his supply from midfield. We have a better keeper and a better back four but only Buckley can match them in midfield quality. To my mind this game will be won or lost in midfield. VegasSeagull

1:23pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Beethoven says...

He is history, as far as The Albion are concerned ...move on. He chose "Palace" , as Gus says, "fair enough"

Wage structure is important for a squad. It is not just one player but it would not be worth unsettling everybody if they ,at the time, paid him out of the norm.

Come Saturday we will see !!
He is history, as far as The Albion are concerned ...move on. He chose "Palace" , as Gus says, "fair enough" Wage structure is important for a squad. It is not just one player but it would not be worth unsettling everybody if they ,at the time, paid him out of the norm. Come Saturday we will see !! Beethoven

1:30pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Hove Ex-Pat says...

I fear that Gus is getting his excuses in first, just in case. Of course I hope he is very wrong. We will have to wait & see.
I fear that Gus is getting his excuses in first, just in case. Of course I hope he is very wrong. We will have to wait & see. Hove Ex-Pat

1:46pm Fri 30 Nov 12

VegasSeagull says...

Just for interest I checked out the fantasy league points for Palace. Murray, as a striker, has 47 points, the next best striker for Palace is a guy called, Wilbraham, he has just 4 points, says a lot.
CMS is on 29 and Branes has 16.
Just for interest I checked out the fantasy league points for Palace. Murray, as a striker, has 47 points, the next best striker for Palace is a guy called, Wilbraham, he has just 4 points, says a lot. CMS is on 29 and Branes has 16. VegasSeagull

1:47pm Fri 30 Nov 12

fairweathersupporter says...

GosportGull wrote:
Always makes laugh when i see people write that football players have short careers so should be paid alot of money ! So do they become unemployable after they have hung up their boots then ? So coaching, management, media or some other job isnt a second career ? I would love to be paid a million a month (Rooney) over a "short" career or 10/15 years ! If they get injured they are insured against earnings as well.. so its a win win for most ! Right back to tomorrow , i think we can do it ! I have a gut instinct that lots of players have points to prove , small personal battles and it will raise our game and we can show what an amazing team we are ! I fancy Hoskins and CMS to start and get 3 bewteen them ! Come on ALBION !!!
They are not all paid that much and second careers in the game are limited. I am sure that if you were a professional footballer you would give the excess of your wages to charity and tell your children that they can make their own way in life without benefit from your labour. How virtuous you are, please let me know your address should you ever win the lottery...
On something we agree on, i think we can do it too. And i think we'll get three... UTA!
[quote][p][bold]GosportGull[/bold] wrote: Always makes laugh when i see people write that football players have short careers so should be paid alot of money ! So do they become unemployable after they have hung up their boots then ? So coaching, management, media or some other job isnt a second career ? I would love to be paid a million a month (Rooney) over a "short" career or 10/15 years ! If they get injured they are insured against earnings as well.. so its a win win for most ! Right back to tomorrow , i think we can do it ! I have a gut instinct that lots of players have points to prove , small personal battles and it will raise our game and we can show what an amazing team we are ! I fancy Hoskins and CMS to start and get 3 bewteen them ! Come on ALBION !!![/p][/quote]They are not all paid that much and second careers in the game are limited. I am sure that if you were a professional footballer you would give the excess of your wages to charity and tell your children that they can make their own way in life without benefit from your labour. How virtuous you are, please let me know your address should you ever win the lottery... On something we agree on, i think we can do it too. And i think we'll get three... UTA! fairweathersupporter

1:48pm Fri 30 Nov 12

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Just for interest I checked out the fantasy league points for Palace. Murray, as a striker, has 47 points, the next best striker for Palace is a guy called, Wilbraham, he has just 4 points, says a lot. CMS is on 29 and Branes has 16.
make that Barnes has 16.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Just for interest I checked out the fantasy league points for Palace. Murray, as a striker, has 47 points, the next best striker for Palace is a guy called, Wilbraham, he has just 4 points, says a lot. CMS is on 29 and Branes has 16.[/p][/quote]make that Barnes has 16. VegasSeagull

2:28pm Fri 30 Nov 12

VegasSeagull says...

This month Palace have played 6 matches, 4 wins, 1 loss and a draw.
The loss was away to Leeds, 2-1 and the draw was last week away to Hull, 0-0.
The wins came from 3 home games and 1 away match. They managed to beat Derby, Ipswich and Blackburn at home and Peterborough away.
For me the best of their results this month was the beating of Blackburn 2-0 at home, and that was very early in the month.

Their last two games, Leeds and Hull both away matches, have seen them only get 1 point, but these teams were a better test for them, just as I expect us to be.
Palace score goals at home, their last three home games have yielded 10 for and 0 against, 5 against Ipswich, 3 against Derby and 2 from the Blackburn match.

Tomorrow we find out how their striking power stacks up against our back five. We also find out how our midfield compares to theirs, an area of the game we must win.

Taking into account all the months results for both teams I think Gus will start with;
Our normal back 5 (Bridge to be fit)
Buckley, Bridcutt, Hammond and Orlandi.
CMS and Barnes.
This month Palace have played 6 matches, 4 wins, 1 loss and a draw. The loss was away to Leeds, 2-1 and the draw was last week away to Hull, 0-0. The wins came from 3 home games and 1 away match. They managed to beat Derby, Ipswich and Blackburn at home and Peterborough away. For me the best of their results this month was the beating of Blackburn 2-0 at home, and that was very early in the month. Their last two games, Leeds and Hull both away matches, have seen them only get 1 point, but these teams were a better test for them, just as I expect us to be. Palace score goals at home, their last three home games have yielded 10 for and 0 against, 5 against Ipswich, 3 against Derby and 2 from the Blackburn match. Tomorrow we find out how their striking power stacks up against our back five. We also find out how our midfield compares to theirs, an area of the game we must win. Taking into account all the months results for both teams I think Gus will start with; Our normal back 5 (Bridge to be fit) Buckley, Bridcutt, Hammond and Orlandi. CMS and Barnes. VegasSeagull

2:57pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Bob! says...

Our normal back 5? Is that with El-Abd or Dunk?

I think he'll start with Hoskins rather than Barnes, plus El-Abd & Bridge back in.
Our normal back 5? Is that with El-Abd or Dunk? I think he'll start with Hoskins rather than Barnes, plus El-Abd & Bridge back in. Bob!

4:22pm Fri 30 Nov 12

LACHANCE says...

How come Palace could offer him all these wages but we could not.Was it because we were not serton how many supporters we would get at the Amex or other reasons.When the Amex is complete and we are getting 28,000 + to each match will we be able to pay top wages.How much money are we waisting on players that will never be in the team.This to me seems bad accounting.Tomorrow should be a good game and lets hope Ian Holloway is crying at the end.
How come Palace could offer him all these wages but we could not.Was it because we were not serton how many supporters we would get at the Amex or other reasons.When the Amex is complete and we are getting 28,000 + to each match will we be able to pay top wages.How much money are we waisting on players that will never be in the team.This to me seems bad accounting.Tomorrow should be a good game and lets hope Ian Holloway is crying at the end. LACHANCE

4:46pm Fri 30 Nov 12

Bob! says...

LACHANCE wrote:
How come Palace could offer him all these wages but we could not.Was it because we were not serton how many supporters we would get at the Amex or other reasons.When the Amex is complete and we are getting 28,000 + to each match will we be able to pay top wages.How much money are we waisting on players that will never be in the team.This to me seems bad accounting.Tomorrow should be a good game and lets hope Ian Holloway is crying at the end.
We won't neccessarily (sp?) be able to match other clubs wages.

There will be clubs that overpay in the dream of getting to the prem, and then go into administration to clear their debts.
We won't be matching them.

There will also be clubs coming down from The Prem that will be getting parachute payments for a number of years.
We won't be matching them either.
[quote][p][bold]LACHANCE[/bold] wrote: How come Palace could offer him all these wages but we could not.Was it because we were not serton how many supporters we would get at the Amex or other reasons.When the Amex is complete and we are getting 28,000 + to each match will we be able to pay top wages.How much money are we waisting on players that will never be in the team.This to me seems bad accounting.Tomorrow should be a good game and lets hope Ian Holloway is crying at the end.[/p][/quote]We won't neccessarily (sp?) be able to match other clubs wages. There will be clubs that overpay in the dream of getting to the prem, and then go into administration to clear their debts. We won't be matching them. There will also be clubs coming down from The Prem that will be getting parachute payments for a number of years. We won't be matching them either. Bob!

4:54pm Fri 30 Nov 12

tug509 says...

LACHANCE wrote:
How come Palace could offer him all these wages but we could not.Was it because we were not serton how many supporters we would get at the Amex or other reasons.When the Amex is complete and we are getting 28,000 + to each match will we be able to pay top wages.How much money are we waisting on players that will never be in the team.This to me seems bad accounting.Tomorrow should be a good game and lets hope Ian Holloway is crying at the end.
They did not have to pay a transfer fee,so the money they saved on a fee could be used to pay his wages. In other words if he was worth 2m,they paid nothing ,but would use that same 2m to pay him over perhaps 3-4 years.
Then probably recoup that much when they sell him on.
When finished our magnificent Amex will hold approx 30,750,hopefully averaging gates of around 28,500-29,500.
As for how much money being wasted on players not ever likely to play,your guess would be as good as anybody`s. But i doubt a shrewd businessman like TB wastes much...
Ian Holloway usually finds something to cry about..UTA
[quote][p][bold]LACHANCE[/bold] wrote: How come Palace could offer him all these wages but we could not.Was it because we were not serton how many supporters we would get at the Amex or other reasons.When the Amex is complete and we are getting 28,000 + to each match will we be able to pay top wages.How much money are we waisting on players that will never be in the team.This to me seems bad accounting.Tomorrow should be a good game and lets hope Ian Holloway is crying at the end.[/p][/quote]They did not have to pay a transfer fee,so the money they saved on a fee could be used to pay his wages. In other words if he was worth 2m,they paid nothing ,but would use that same 2m to pay him over perhaps 3-4 years. Then probably recoup that much when they sell him on. When finished our magnificent Amex will hold approx 30,750,hopefully averaging gates of around 28,500-29,500. As for how much money being wasted on players not ever likely to play,your guess would be as good as anybody`s. But i doubt a shrewd businessman like TB wastes much... Ian Holloway usually finds something to cry about..UTA tug509

5:06pm Fri 30 Nov 12

fratsomrover says...

After Ashley Barnes, I think Glen Murray gets more threads than anyone else in Brighton. Weird when he doesn't even play for us. The fact is, he is a good centre forward and he was a loss to us. But he's a pro footballer and of course he'll go wherever he gets the best deal. It doesn't make him a traitor. We couldn't afford him at the time so he left. End of story. I bemoaned his departure because he had a bit of class and we have missed him. But that's pro football and the best players will always move upwards and onwards when they get an opportunity. Maybe in time, he may rue his own departure, but I dont blame him for going. As for tomorrow, I have an inkling we could cause an upset and get a win as long as Gus does not start with too defensive a line-up. They have only collected 1 point from their last 6, so their confidence will have been knocked a little, but then again, it is a derby match, and current form often goes out of the window in derby games. i still consider GM poses the greatest threat, so I hope we can keep him quiet.
After Ashley Barnes, I think Glen Murray gets more threads than anyone else in Brighton. Weird when he doesn't even play for us. The fact is, he is a good centre forward and he was a loss to us. But he's a pro footballer and of course he'll go wherever he gets the best deal. It doesn't make him a traitor. We couldn't afford him at the time so he left. End of story. I bemoaned his departure because he had a bit of class and we have missed him. But that's pro football and the best players will always move upwards and onwards when they get an opportunity. Maybe in time, he may rue his own departure, but I dont blame him for going. As for tomorrow, I have an inkling we could cause an upset and get a win as long as Gus does not start with too defensive a line-up. They have only collected 1 point from their last 6, so their confidence will have been knocked a little, but then again, it is a derby match, and current form often goes out of the window in derby games. i still consider GM poses the greatest threat, so I hope we can keep him quiet. fratsomrover

5:44pm Fri 30 Nov 12

tinker111 says...

See You part timers have had your fill here goes mine Gus comment C++p S++T fact is Murrey was way above what Gus could cope with first class player 2nd class manager
See You part timers have had your fill here goes mine Gus comment C++p S++T fact is Murrey was way above what Gus could cope with first class player 2nd class manager tinker111

7:33pm Fri 30 Nov 12

SicklySeagull says...

It is obvious that what we paid for CMS he would be on a very good earner,so we were limited on what we could offer Murray, so its quite understandable why he accepted a very much better offer from Palace.
It is obvious that what we paid for CMS he would be on a very good earner,so we were limited on what we could offer Murray, so its quite understandable why he accepted a very much better offer from Palace. SicklySeagull

7:46pm Fri 30 Nov 12

tug509 says...

tinker111 wrote:
See You part timers have had your fill here goes mine Gus comment C++p S++T fact is Murrey was way above what Gus could cope with first class player 2nd class manager
Hello Dick! you and your alter ego cant even spell his name,disappear and take your 3rd class team with you.......after we`ve humiliated them ,sorry did i say Dick,meant nob...UTA
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: See You part timers have had your fill here goes mine Gus comment C++p S++T fact is Murrey was way above what Gus could cope with first class player 2nd class manager[/p][/quote]Hello Dick! you and your alter ego cant even spell his name,disappear and take your 3rd class team with you.......after we`ve humiliated them ,sorry did i say Dick,meant nob...UTA tug509

8:15pm Fri 30 Nov 12

VegasSeagull says...

Bob! wrote:
Our normal back 5? Is that with El-Abd or Dunk? I think he'll start with Hoskins rather than Barnes, plus El-Abd & Bridge back in.
Normal back 5, El-Abd in.

If Hoskins gets the start tomorrow then, IMHO, he will be the lone striker and CMS will play behind him.
If Barnes gets the nod, then CMS is up front.
I have a feeling that Gus will put Barnes in because he will scrap, and bite at their ankles.
Hoskins apears to be more polished in his approach to the game, tomorrow, IMHO, won't be about prettyness, it's going to come down to who fights hardest.
[quote][p][bold]Bob![/bold] wrote: Our normal back 5? Is that with El-Abd or Dunk? I think he'll start with Hoskins rather than Barnes, plus El-Abd & Bridge back in.[/p][/quote]Normal back 5, El-Abd in. If Hoskins gets the start tomorrow then, IMHO, he will be the lone striker and CMS will play behind him. If Barnes gets the nod, then CMS is up front. I have a feeling that Gus will put Barnes in because he will scrap, and bite at their ankles. Hoskins apears to be more polished in his approach to the game, tomorrow, IMHO, won't be about prettyness, it's going to come down to who fights hardest. VegasSeagull

10:10am Sat 1 Dec 12

graham w says...

this is one thing the club got wrong, after 99 things they get right, at the point he left we had 4500 season ticket holders, nobody really guessed, we would have 25000 season ticket holders so soon,i expect gus and tony are kicking themselves, "hindsight" its wonderfull.. "seagulls" maby a 2-1 win will help today.....
this is one thing the club got wrong, after 99 things they get right, at the point he left we had 4500 season ticket holders, nobody really guessed, we would have 25000 season ticket holders so soon,i expect gus and tony are kicking themselves, "hindsight" its wonderfull.. "seagulls" maby a 2-1 win will help today..... graham w

10:10am Sat 1 Dec 12

graham w says...

this is one thing the club got wrong, after 99 things they get right, at the point he left we had 4500 season ticket holders, nobody really guessed, we would have 25000 season ticket holders so soon,i expect gus and tony are kicking themselves, "hindsight" its wonderfull.. "seagulls" maby a 2-1 win will help today.....
this is one thing the club got wrong, after 99 things they get right, at the point he left we had 4500 season ticket holders, nobody really guessed, we would have 25000 season ticket holders so soon,i expect gus and tony are kicking themselves, "hindsight" its wonderfull.. "seagulls" maby a 2-1 win will help today..... graham w

10:11am Sat 1 Dec 12

graham w says...

this is one thing the club got wrong, after 99 things they get right, at the point he left we had 4500 season ticket holders, nobody really guessed, we would have 25000 season ticket holders so soon,i expect gus and tony are kicking themselves, "hindsight" its wonderfull.. "seagulls" maby a 2-1 win will help today.....
this is one thing the club got wrong, after 99 things they get right, at the point he left we had 4500 season ticket holders, nobody really guessed, we would have 25000 season ticket holders so soon,i expect gus and tony are kicking themselves, "hindsight" its wonderfull.. "seagulls" maby a 2-1 win will help today..... graham w

1:40pm Sat 1 Dec 12

albionvicar says...

LACHANCE wrote:
How come Palace could offer him all these wages but we could not.Was it because we were not serton how many supporters we would get at the Amex or other reasons.When the Amex is complete and we are getting 28,000 + to each match will we be able to pay top wages.How much money are we waisting on players that will never be in the team.This to me seems bad accounting.Tomorrow should be a good game and lets hope Ian Holloway is crying at the end.
Because they are one of the clubs that will spend all they want, knowing full well they can just drop into bankruptcy, write off all their debts with minimal punishment, and start again much stonger.
[quote][p][bold]LACHANCE[/bold] wrote: How come Palace could offer him all these wages but we could not.Was it because we were not serton how many supporters we would get at the Amex or other reasons.When the Amex is complete and we are getting 28,000 + to each match will we be able to pay top wages.How much money are we waisting on players that will never be in the team.This to me seems bad accounting.Tomorrow should be a good game and lets hope Ian Holloway is crying at the end.[/p][/quote]Because they are one of the clubs that will spend all they want, knowing full well they can just drop into bankruptcy, write off all their debts with minimal punishment, and start again much stonger. albionvicar

5:54pm Sat 1 Dec 12

tinker111 says...

tug509 wrote:
tinker111 wrote:
See You part timers have had your fill here goes mine Gus comment C++p S++T fact is Murrey was way above what Gus could cope with first class player 2nd class manager
Hello Dick! you and your alter ego cant even spell his name,disappear and take your 3rd class team with you.......after we`ve humiliated them ,sorry did i say Dick,meant nob...UTA
WHAT WAS THE SCORE ??? YES and am Brighton season ticket holder but NOT BLIND
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: See You part timers have had your fill here goes mine Gus comment C++p S++T fact is Murrey was way above what Gus could cope with first class player 2nd class manager[/p][/quote]Hello Dick! you and your alter ego cant even spell his name,disappear and take your 3rd class team with you.......after we`ve humiliated them ,sorry did i say Dick,meant nob...UTA[/p][/quote]WHAT WAS THE SCORE ??? YES and am Brighton season ticket holder but NOT BLIND tinker111

12:24pm Mon 3 Dec 12

cyanide-sid says...

Glen Murray was offered 6k a week when he left us and Palace offered 8k. We said that we could not afford that although season tickets were far exceeding expectations at the Amex.
So we let a player go who must have been valued at at least 500k, so we could save the 300k on his new 3 year deal he was looking for. Then we spend 2.5 million on a player who is on MORE than GM was. Hindsight ?
No the biggest mistake the club has made because it comes back to haunt us every time we play CP. if CMS had set the world alight then things would seem different, but he hasn't.
Glen Murray was offered 6k a week when he left us and Palace offered 8k. We said that we could not afford that although season tickets were far exceeding expectations at the Amex. So we let a player go who must have been valued at at least 500k, so we could save the 300k on his new 3 year deal he was looking for. Then we spend 2.5 million on a player who is on MORE than GM was. Hindsight ? No the biggest mistake the club has made because it comes back to haunt us every time we play CP. if CMS had set the world alight then things would seem different, but he hasn't. cyanide-sid

12:26pm Mon 3 Dec 12

cyanide-sid says...

Oh and of course Gus didn't think he had the quality for the Championship.
Oh and of course Gus didn't think he had the quality for the Championship. cyanide-sid

5:08pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Neillo says...

If GM wasn't scoring goals for Palace, he would be largely forgotten.

But he is and GP has to try to justify his mistake. I mean, nothing's ever his fault is it ??
If GM wasn't scoring goals for Palace, he would be largely forgotten. But he is and GP has to try to justify his mistake. I mean, nothing's ever his fault is it ?? Neillo

5:08pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Neillo says...

If GM wasn't scoring goals for Palace, he would be largely forgotten.

But he is and GP has to try to justify his mistake. I mean, nothing's ever his fault is it ??
If GM wasn't scoring goals for Palace, he would be largely forgotten. But he is and GP has to try to justify his mistake. I mean, nothing's ever his fault is it ?? Neillo

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