Poyet rues "key moments" (From The Argus)

SMF20 wrote:
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta

SMF20 wrote:
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta

kwaidam wrote:
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.

SMF20 wrote:
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta

Cory and Trevor wrote:

SMF20 wrote:
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta

Gus didn't make any mistakes today. Lewis Dunk did. And then he bad-mouthed the ref and got sent off. Nothing to do with Poyet.

You can't play against a good team that's in form and at home, with ten men.

You, SMF20 are very ignorant.

Sell Dunk in January, (assuming he's not in chokey by then). He's let down himself, his manager, his teammates, and all of Brighton's support by getting sent off so early and in such a stupid manner.

pablobrowno wrote:
Yet again though we don't stand a chance when our front men are incapable of taking chances. You just knew Cms was not going to score when clean through. We only have one player (on the pitch) who seems composed enough to finish those type of chances and that's our man William Buckley. And guess who might have scored that headed chance Barnes had in the first half? ...you guessed it...Mr Murray! What a loss! We really are one goal scorer away from being top two I think, but it isn't cms. Why oh why is Poyet so reluctant to play Dobbie? We really MUST see a decent signing in January or I feel we will not improve much on last year's final position. Come on Gus admit our weaknesses and address them!

Carter_Cooldancer wrote:
I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly.

Selhurst is a dump BTW.

Alfie T wrote:

Carter_Cooldancer wrote: I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly. Selhurst is a dump BTW.

I watched the game at the Amex, being at the match makes no difference. To say Palace were not and are not a better team is unbelievable, are you sure you watched the same game ?

Cory and Trevor wrote:

SMF20 wrote:
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta

Gus didn't make any mistakes today. Lewis Dunk did. And then he bad-mouthed the ref and got sent off. Nothing to do with Poyet.

You can't play against a good team that's in form and at home, with ten men.

You, SMF20 are very ignorant.

Sell Dunk in January, (assuming he's not in chokey by then). He's let down himself, his manager, his teammates, and all of Brighton's support by getting sent off so early and in such a stupid manner.

Carter_Cooldancer wrote:
I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly.

Selhurst is a dump BTW.

buckler wrote:
The Horns can't wait till December 29, then your see how football should be played!

weststandupperlacost
earmy wrote:
I hate being beaten by Palace...end of!!! Today we were outclassed even if we did have ten men for most of the game, so lets get on with it. Imo we are still a better team than last season and yes Gus does get it wrong from time to time but he is still learning his trade. I want him to stay and see the job through. Some of u people should be careful what you wish for because i wouldnt want the likes of McCarthy and Curbishley at this club.

kwaidam wrote:

weststandupperlacost

earmy wrote:
I hate being beaten by Palace...end of!!! Today we were outclassed even if we did have ten men for most of the game, so lets get on with it. Imo we are still a better team than last season and yes Gus does get it wrong from time to time but he is still learning his trade. I want him to stay and see the job through. Some of u people should be careful what you wish for because i wouldnt want the likes of McCarthy and Curbishley at this club.

wouldn't mind Mr Holloway though. Proper manager. And a good judge of a striker.

mark by the sea wrote:
Key moment was letting Murray go , when 11 k a week would have kept him here, lets stop the smoke and mirrors, Gus deliver with the players who earn more than 11k a week. Sorry we were taken apart, they wanted it more than us.

VegasSeagull wrote:
Gus is right, 'key moments,' were pivitol.

Moment number one, No defender on the bench, why was El-Abd not inlcuded int he subs list.

Moment number two, Dunk's very correct sending off.

Moment number three, Barnes didn't go off to be replaced by El-Abd once Dunk was removed, ooops, no El-Abd.

Moment number three, a well taken goal by Murray.

Moment number four, CMS fluffs a great chance to level things after half time.

Moment number five, Murray dives to earn a penalty.

Moment number six Greer gives away a penalty.

IMHO the, 'moments,' can be shared between the manager and the players.

You got it wrong today Gus and some of your players did too.

VegasSeagull wrote:
Gus is right, 'key moments,' were pivitol.

Moment number one, No defender on the bench, why was El-Abd not inlcuded int he subs list.

Moment number two, Dunk's very correct sending off.

Moment number three, Barnes didn't go off to be replaced by El-Abd once Dunk was removed, ooops, no El-Abd.

Moment number three, a well taken goal by Murray.

Moment number four, CMS fluffs a great chance to level things after half time.

Moment number five, Murray dives to earn a penalty.

Moment number six Greer gives away a penalty.

IMHO the, 'moments,' can be shared between the manager and the players.

You got it wrong today Gus and some of your players did too.

Ken from Beamish wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
Key moment was letting Murray go , when 11 k a week would have kept him here, lets stop the smoke and mirrors, Gus deliver with the players who earn more than 11k a week. Sorry we were taken apart, they wanted it more than us.

Mark- you are right Murray was a key loss, but remember, you were also in the camp at that time who said he would not make it at this level - a "one season wonder" if I remember rightly. If you are right about CMS & Vicente wages as examples of what's being paid out, then it's clear why we can't get the forward we need - no money in the kitty. How does Bloom feel about paying out £10k a week for a guy who went off with a thigh strain in August and is still not fit to play ?

mark by the sea wrote:

Ken from Beamish wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
Key moment was letting Murray go , when 11 k a week would have kept him here, lets stop the smoke and mirrors, Gus deliver with the players who earn more than 11k a week. Sorry we were taken apart, they wanted it more than us.

Mark- you are right Murray was a key loss, but remember, you were also in the camp at that time who said he would not make it at this level - a "one season wonder" if I remember rightly. If you are right about CMS & Vicente wages as examples of what's being paid out, then it's clear why we can't get the forward we need - no money in the kitty. How does Bloom feel about paying out £10k a week for a guy who went off with a thigh strain in August and is still not fit to play ?

Gus has yet to have a forward on form other than Murray who he inherited .. He let ELphick and the other lad go to Bournemouth, we are short at centre back . 3 is not enough in any league in this country ...
Tear up Vicente contract .. And bring in some backbone, with exception of GG and bridcut we lack balls.

SMF20 wrote:
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta

seagulltess wrote:
Well said by almost everyone; Dunk is a liability which we cannot afford. El Ab should have played today without doubt and why was he not even on the bench. Maybe another mystery injury arose from nowhere. Dropping Hoskins and putting barndoor Barnes back in was crazy. We were told on friday that Bridge was fit and would play and what happens; he does not even make the bench. It is about time the club were honest with us and not keep lying about players fitness. Now I see we will be without Orlandi for a few weeks with a broken rib. As for Vicente send him back where he came from and use the money to fund the purchase of a top striker because we will win nothing with Mackail Smith up front. As for Barnes he is just not worth the effort, let him go as well. Just when we seem to be progressing on the right lines Gus sees fit to keep changing the line up for at times no reason. Just do not understand his thinking at times. Please please a new striker in January.

sussexram40 wrote:
Oh dear. No improvement from last season at all if you compare the matches played / points tally. GP should be taking the club forward, not stagnating it. I sense faith and trust in GP is eroding..

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:

SMF20 wrote:
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta

Idiot. There wasn't even a case to argue who was the better side. We were down to 10 after 6 mins. At that point it's going to be pretty much one sided.
Game was over as soon as Dunk was off. Out battled ? Your an idiot, we were under the cosh for for 85 mins.

tug509 wrote:

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:

SMF20 wrote: For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta

Idiot. There wasn't even a case to argue who was the better side. We were down to 10 after 6 mins. At that point it's going to be pretty much one sided. Game was over as soon as Dunk was off. Out battled ? Your an idiot, we were under the cosh for for 85 mins.

Well said PBTB,glad to see someone knows their maths..UTA

Alfie T wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:

Ken from Beamish wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:
Key moment was letting Murray go , when 11 k a week would have kept him here, lets stop the smoke and mirrors, Gus deliver with the players who earn more than 11k a week. Sorry we were taken apart, they wanted it more than us.

Mark- you are right Murray was a key loss, but remember, you were also in the camp at that time who said he would not make it at this level - a "one season wonder" if I remember rightly. If you are right about CMS & Vicente wages as examples of what's being paid out, then it's clear why we can't get the forward we need - no money in the kitty. How does Bloom feel about paying out £10k a week for a guy who went off with a thigh strain in August and is still not fit to play ?

Gus has yet to have a forward on form other than Murray who he inherited .. He let ELphick and the other lad go to Bournemouth, we are short at centre back . 3 is not enough in any league in this country ...
Tear up Vicente contract .. And bring in some backbone, with exception of GG and bridcut we lack balls.

Greer without El-abd is distinctly average, watches the man and not the ball, he wasn't even looking the right way when he pushed Murray. Moans and his team mates rather than encourages them, IMO not the man to lead us to the premiership on the pitch.

brightonup wrote:

sussexram40 wrote:
Oh dear. No improvement from last season at all if you compare the matches played / points tally. GP should be taking the club forward, not stagnating it. I sense faith and trust in GP is eroding..

Wrong again.

davidinsouthampton wrote:

VegasSeagull wrote: Gus is right, 'key moments,' were pivitol. Moment number one, No defender on the bench, why was El-Abd not inlcuded int he subs list. Moment number two, Dunk's very correct sending off. Moment number three, Barnes didn't go off to be replaced by El-Abd once Dunk was removed, ooops, no El-Abd. Moment number three, a well taken goal by Murray. Moment number four, CMS fluffs a great chance to level things after half time. Moment number five, Murray dives to earn a penalty. Moment number six Greer gives away a penalty. IMHO the, 'moments,' can be shared between the manager and the players. You got it wrong today Gus and some of your players did too.

What part of "El-Abd was injured" and "We were struggling for defenders in the squad" do you not understand. he can only work with what he has got!

bruce beckett wrote:
Gus said on Wednesday that Bridge was available (not may be, no ifs or buts) for Saturday.

This is true. Why bother saying it if it's rubbish? Does he think it will change Holloway's tactics. Calderon, a right-sided player at left back, really worked the trick, didn't it? I wish Gus would stop thinking he's the second coming of the Tinkerman and cease making needless changes every game. Some of the players don't know whether they're coming or going, although nobody seems to want to leave the club these days. Money is too good.

sussexram40 wrote:

brightonup wrote:

sussexram40 wrote: Oh dear. No improvement from last season at all if you compare the matches played / points tally. GP should be taking the club forward, not stagnating it. I sense faith and trust in GP is eroding..

Wrong again.

No, right. I checked the results. After 20 games last season we had 32 points. This season after 20 games we have 31 points. That's a worse return than last season at the same stage.

fratsomrover wrote:
For me the key moment was when I heard the team he'd picked. Not in the least surprised by the result after hearing that starting 11. Cant understand picking Dunk. He and Barnes have the worst ball control in the division. If you are going to play the ball around the back line, you cant pick Dunk. The game was over as soon as he lost that ball. Why bring back Barnes and CMS ? Surely we all know they are a toothless combination by now. Lightweight and limited. Why drop Hoskins and the experienced Dobbie ? Palace outplayed us. with 2 attacking wingers and a class centre forward they always threatened. Bruno was well and truly exposed and displayed many defensive frailties. Quite worrying and very disappointing. We are not going to make the play-offs on this form and Gus's limitations are beginning to show. A bad day !!

markdavids wrote:
You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.

mark by the sea wrote:

markdavids wrote:
You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.

You can judge a player who can't control a football with his left foot. Step forward Dunk, just watched the horror show on highlights, the itv show made us look really poor, yesterday I thought we were a little unlucky, but we can't put the ball in the net when it matters and dunk can't be trusted ..

mark by the sea wrote:
Seagulls page says painter out for 3 weeks, surely vincelot must return.

lewis_ms wrote:
We are not going to improve unless/until Gus realises that we cannot pack the team with holding midfield players. I can but hope that the Orlandi (who has been excellent in the last few games) injury leads to a recall for Gary Dicker who seems to have been forgotten by just about everybody. O.K. I know he doesn't score very often but he has the composure and passing ability that is so glaringly missing at the moment. It is no co-incidence that our dip in form after a promising start coincides with Gary not playing. This is exactly the same as last season (when he was out injured). I bet that if you look at the stats we have won many more matches when Gary has played than without him. Crofts and Hammond are too much alike and shouldn't play in the same team in addition to the outstanding Liam Bridcutt.
Come on Gus please recall Gary Dicker for Charlton.

The Phantom wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:

markdavids wrote:
You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.

You can judge a player who can't control a football with his left foot. Step forward Dunk, just watched the horror show on highlights, the itv show made us look really poor, yesterday I thought we were a little unlucky, but we can't put the ball in the net when it matters and dunk can't be trusted ..

Just a few thoughts on yesterday.....the highlights on BBC (maybe you watching the FA Cup round up on ITV?) were very good in spite of the result. For those castigating Dunk - bad error from a young and normally excellent centre back. It happens - because we play it around at the back, it was always going to happen at some point, just a shame about the timing. Might have got away with a yellow on some days as Kuszczak was getting to the ball first. Fair play to the referee though for not bottling the decision so early on. The two penalties were correct decisions although some doubt about offside in the lead up to the first one. Poor challenge by Greer for the second one. Despite their numerical superiority, Palace did not have loads of chances and Brighton deserve some credit defensively for keeping the score down. Aside from Murray's header over the bar, the two best chances in the game were Barnes' and CMS's before and after half time - both should have scored. And as for those moaning about Gus making excuses and saying that we should get rid - what do you expect him to say at a press conference after a 3-0 defeat. He talked matter of factly about the game and that there were vital moments in the game. He had no complaints about the sending off or the award of the penalties against Kuszczak and Greer. If he failed to attend the press conference or slaughtered the referee, it would be fair enough but his comments were considered and fair. Just a week ago, there were people on here commenting on the fantastic standard of the football played against Bolton - some of the best I have seen by an Albion team. Since then we have beaten Bristol City. Nothing went right for the team yesterday in all respects (the injuries being the biggest on-going concern). As for centre half cover, I would imagine that Gus will be happy enough with Greer, Calderon, Hammond and hopefully El-Abd before Dunk comes back the following week. Teams do go through injury crises - seem to remember Manchester United with Carrick and Fletcher in their back four a couple of years back. The versatile players will come to the fore in these circumstances - what sort of quality of player do you think you will get as fourth choice centre back? Normally somebody young and inexperienced or an older player who is no longer good enough. Elphick (seem to recall you never being a fan) and Cook have both left to play at a lower level and Hall who chose to further his career at Tottenham (one friendly appearance against Kingstonian). Brighton are two points outside the Championship play offs and have just lost their first game in 8 - don't think we are doing too badly.

tug509 wrote:

Carter_Cooldancer wrote:
I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly.

Selhurst is a dump BTW.

WE ARE NOT WORTHY.

A perfect description of the game,quality mate,nuff said....UTA

The Phantom wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:

markdavids wrote:
You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.

You can judge a player who can't control a football with his left foot. Step forward Dunk, just watched the horror show on highlights, the itv show made us look really poor, yesterday I thought we were a little unlucky, but we can't put the ball in the net when it matters and dunk can't be trusted ..

Just a few thoughts on yesterday.....the highlights on BBC (maybe you watching the FA Cup round up on ITV?) were very good in spite of the result. For those castigating Dunk - bad error from a young and normally excellent centre back. It happens - because we play it around at the back, it was always going to happen at some point, just a shame about the timing. Might have got away with a yellow on some days as Kuszczak was getting to the ball first. Fair play to the referee though for not bottling the decision so early on. The two penalties were correct decisions although some doubt about offside in the lead up to the first one. Poor challenge by Greer for the second one. Despite their numerical superiority, Palace did not have loads of chances and Brighton deserve some credit defensively for keeping the score down. Aside from Murray's header over the bar, the two best chances in the game were Barnes' and CMS's before and after half time - both should have scored. And as for those moaning about Gus making excuses and saying that we should get rid - what do you expect him to say at a press conference after a 3-0 defeat. He talked matter of factly about the game and that there were vital moments in the game. He had no complaints about the sending off or the award of the penalties against Kuszczak and Greer. If he failed to attend the press conference or slaughtered the referee, it would be fair enough but his comments were considered and fair. Just a week ago, there were people on here commenting on the fantastic standard of the football played against Bolton - some of the best I have seen by an Albion team. Since then we have beaten Bristol City. Nothing went right for the team yesterday in all respects (the injuries being the biggest on-going concern). As for centre half cover, I would imagine that Gus will be happy enough with Greer, Calderon, Hammond and hopefully El-Abd before Dunk comes back the following week. Teams do go through injury crises - seem to remember Manchester United with Carrick and Fletcher in their back four a couple of years back. The versatile players will come to the fore in these circumstances - what sort of quality of player do you think you will get as fourth choice centre back? Normally somebody young and inexperienced or an older player who is no longer good enough. Elphick (seem to recall you never being a fan) and Cook have both left to play at a lower level and Hall who chose to further his career at Tottenham (one friendly appearance against Kingstonian). Brighton are two points outside the Championship play offs and have just lost their first game in 8 - don't think we are doing too badly.

Alfie T wrote:

kwaidam wrote:
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.

Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
I see Ray Wilkins is punting Gus to be brought in as manager at Chelsea. At least someone recognizes the worth of our manager. Some fans on here have no clue how lucky we are to have him.

ballantrrae wrote:

Alfie T wrote:

kwaidam wrote:
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.

Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.

Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured.
Gutted by the result but the better side won.
Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'.
Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?

Hovite wrote:

The Phantom wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:

markdavids wrote:
You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.

You can judge a player who can't control a football with his left foot. Step forward Dunk, just watched the horror show on highlights, the itv show made us look really poor, yesterday I thought we were a little unlucky, but we can't put the ball in the net when it matters and dunk can't be trusted ..

Just a few thoughts on yesterday.....the highlights on BBC (maybe you watching the FA Cup round up on ITV?) were very good in spite of the result. For those castigating Dunk - bad error from a young and normally excellent centre back. It happens - because we play it around at the back, it was always going to happen at some point, just a shame about the timing. Might have got away with a yellow on some days as Kuszczak was getting to the ball first. Fair play to the referee though for not bottling the decision so early on. The two penalties were correct decisions although some doubt about offside in the lead up to the first one. Poor challenge by Greer for the second one. Despite their numerical superiority, Palace did not have loads of chances and Brighton deserve some credit defensively for keeping the score down. Aside from Murray's header over the bar, the two best chances in the game were Barnes' and CMS's before and after half time - both should have scored. And as for those moaning about Gus making excuses and saying that we should get rid - what do you expect him to say at a press conference after a 3-0 defeat. He talked matter of factly about the game and that there were vital moments in the game. He had no complaints about the sending off or the award of the penalties against Kuszczak and Greer. If he failed to attend the press conference or slaughtered the referee, it would be fair enough but his comments were considered and fair. Just a week ago, there were people on here commenting on the fantastic standard of the football played against Bolton - some of the best I have seen by an Albion team. Since then we have beaten Bristol City. Nothing went right for the team yesterday in all respects (the injuries being the biggest on-going concern). As for centre half cover, I would imagine that Gus will be happy enough with Greer, Calderon, Hammond and hopefully El-Abd before Dunk comes back the following week. Teams do go through injury crises - seem to remember Manchester United with Carrick and Fletcher in their back four a couple of years back. The versatile players will come to the fore in these circumstances - what sort of quality of player do you think you will get as fourth choice centre back? Normally somebody young and inexperienced or an older player who is no longer good enough. Elphick (seem to recall you never being a fan) and Cook have both left to play at a lower level and Hall who chose to further his career at Tottenham (one friendly appearance against Kingstonian). Brighton are two points outside the Championship play offs and have just lost their first game in 8 - don't think we are doing too badly.

Nicely said TP.

I'm trying to steer clear of commenting on here, but when someone goes to the length of writing an in depth rational post in response of knee jerk reactions and wums mixed in together, I have to give them the big thumbs up.

mark by the sea wrote:

ballantrrae wrote:

Alfie T wrote:

kwaidam wrote:
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.

Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.

Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured.
Gutted by the result but the better side won.
Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'.
Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?

According to the Albion site, bridge has a chance for next week, what I can't fathom is loaning vincelot out , and not bringing him back Thursday when painter tore a muscle? Strange one that.

GosportGull wrote:
Now we have all had chance to calm down ... Barnes is still not worthy of his place !! Vicente should be getting a P45 in post with air ticket home ..JFC should be given a personal phone call or visit from Gus saying dont get injured your needed ! Hoskins should be told , you hold the ball up and supply forward passes for CMS to get onto ..CMS should be training ALL day long until he can finish chance after chance without hesitation ... El Abd should ALWAYS play unless injured ..Greer needs heading practise until his head hurts ..and Gus you need to be more astute with your tactics ..like play 442 from time to time or we become predictable ... It has to get better ! Gutted about Orlandi ..wonder how long he will be out for ... Apart from him, Bridcutt and Buckley, wasnt that impressed yesterday by any of the team ... Come on Gus ...sort it please !!! GG

tinker111 wrote:

tug509 wrote:

Carter_Cooldancer wrote:
I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly.

Selhurst is a dump BTW.

WE ARE NOT WORTHY.

A perfect description of the game,quality mate,nuff said....UTA

What was the score TUG???? yes from an Albion supporter for many years than you am sure but dont have my head up backside when it comes to facts

ballantrrae wrote:

Alfie T wrote:

kwaidam wrote:
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.

Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.

Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured.
Gutted by the result but the better side won.
Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'.
Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?

Alfie T wrote:

ballantrrae wrote:

Alfie T wrote:

kwaidam wrote:
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.

Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.

Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured.
Gutted by the result but the better side won.
Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'.
Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?

Both Murray and Barnes were the recipients of Bennos talent, but if you read Holloways comments regarding Murray you will see why Barnes benefitted. His intelligent play and reputation afforded Barnes his opportunities, add a much weaker division and its easy to see why he scored so many and perhaps why he is now very average at best.

SMF20 wrote:
I remember watching an England football match a few years ago where as usual the manager of the time was trying to squeeze both Lampard and Gerrard into the team. It also happened to be the match where Andy Johnson was given his debut and came on with about 20 minutes to play. I remember at the time thinking what a terrible waste of talent this was and why oh why bother picking him for his goals to only then stick him right wing.... This is by no means a 1 off occurrence though. Many many managers have throughout time done exactly the same thing and left all but themselves baffled by what their intentions are. My point? Why oh why have we bought in such fantastic talent to not use it. Hoskins is a fantastic player and someone who got nearly as many goals for his team 2 seasons ago as both Gm and Ab did for us. The difference? We won the division and Bristol Rovers were relegated. The same can be said for Dobbie, an immense talent with an eye for goal and a strike as good as anybody around. Add to that his ability to pick a pass and a desire to go past people and again we are sitting on a gem. Half a dozen good championship teams wanted this guy and understandably so. He is a class act. You could even argue that Barnes is our current Andy Johnson. A 20 goal striker 2 seasons ago yet now nothing more than a hybrid... Is he a midfielder? Is he a striker? I really don't know.
We have in my mind the best squad that BHAFC have assembled in many years. We could and probably should be a top 4 team given our performances in the main this year and dare I say it, with just a couple more additions should be pushing for an automatic promotion place. We just need to start using those that have been brought in to improve us in the right way. Lets let a player that made a name for himself as a striker be a striker. Lets let a midfielder who has made his name as a midfielder be a midfielder. You wouldnt after all ask TK to pop the number 11 shirt on for the afternoon and play on the wing.
We have the players and we have the infrastructure. We have the management team and importantly we have the support (UTA) we just need that back to basics approach of letting a player do what they do best.
We can achieve greatness and we can do it with this squad + 2 or 3. Over to you GP. You're the man, You just have to use these terrific signings you have mad in the way they were intended to be used.
As always. Just my opinion

mark by the sea wrote:

Alfie T wrote:

ballantrrae wrote:

Alfie T wrote:

kwaidam wrote:
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.

Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.

Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured.
Gutted by the result but the better side won.
Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'.
Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?

Both Murray and Barnes were the recipients of Bennos talent, but if you read Holloways comments regarding Murray you will see why Barnes benefitted. His intelligent play and reputation afforded Barnes his opportunities, add a much weaker division and its easy to see why he scored so many and perhaps why he is now very average at best.

Hmm just watched Bennett play for Norwich, he looked a fish out of water, swap with bridcut going other way? Or cms?

Neillo wrote:
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.

Neillo wrote:
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.

mark by the sea wrote:

Neillo wrote:
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.

I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
Just looked at the match stats they had double the attempts we had but only 1 more on target than us a little more possession but they were the home team and 11 V 10 men, I really think we are a decent striker away from being a top side, let's see what happens com January

mark by the sea wrote:

Neillo wrote:
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.

I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!

Alfie T wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:

Neillo wrote:
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.

I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!

I heard that last season he contacted Gus wanting to come back, but Gus couldn't deal with his personality.

Neillo wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:

Neillo wrote:
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.

I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!

Can't argue about the area - i moved out 30 years ago and it wasn't great then. Lived in Hove since and loving it. But others on here may need reminding of the Gallstone, Withdean - and the Priestfield of course. Not your recently acquired fans of course, they wouldn't know.

Name your source re what you said about Murray otherwise it's hardly a fact is it ?

SMF20 wrote:
I remember watching an England football match a few years ago where as usual the manager of the time was trying to squeeze both Lampard and Gerrard into the team. It also happened to be the match where Andy Johnson was given his debut and came on with about 20 minutes to play. I remember at the time thinking what a terrible waste of talent this was and why oh why bother picking him for his goals to only then stick him right wing.... This is by no means a 1 off occurrence though. Many many managers have throughout time done exactly the same thing and left all but themselves baffled by what their intentions are. My point? Why oh why have we bought in such fantastic talent to not use it. Hoskins is a fantastic player and someone who got nearly as many goals for his team 2 seasons ago as both Gm and Ab did for us. The difference? We won the division and Bristol Rovers were relegated. The same can be said for Dobbie, an immense talent with an eye for goal and a strike as good as anybody around. Add to that his ability to pick a pass and a desire to go past people and again we are sitting on a gem. Half a dozen good championship teams wanted this guy and understandably so. He is a class act. You could even argue that Barnes is our current Andy Johnson. A 20 goal striker 2 seasons ago yet now nothing more than a hybrid... Is he a midfielder? Is he a striker? I really don't know.
We have in my mind the best squad that BHAFC have assembled in many years. We could and probably should be a top 4 team given our performances in the main this year and dare I say it, with just a couple more additions should be pushing for an automatic promotion place. We just need to start using those that have been brought in to improve us in the right way. Lets let a player that made a name for himself as a striker be a striker. Lets let a midfielder who has made his name as a midfielder be a midfielder. You wouldnt after all ask TK to pop the number 11 shirt on for the afternoon and play on the wing.
We have the players and we have the infrastructure. We have the management team and importantly we have the support (UTA) we just need that back to basics approach of letting a player do what they do best.
We can achieve greatness and we can do it with this squad + 2 or 3. Over to you GP. You're the man, You just have to use these terrific signings you have mad in the way they were intended to be used.
As always. Just my opinion

suede27 wrote:
I thought Poyet is meant to be one of the most highly-rated up-and-coming managers?

If that's the case then can someone please tell me why it appears everyone apart from him acknowledges that we need to play 442 sometimes.

Yes, CMS works his socks off blah blah blah. But he needs to play with someone. Crucially, though, he needs service and that's only going to come with two wide men.

Poyet is tactically naive and stubborn.

Playing 433 and tippy-tappy football is all very well if you have the players. We don't. This is Brighton. Not Barcelona.

A large number of fans are getting increasingly frustrated with Poyet's inability to adapt. It's his way, or no way which is the reason why Murray left.

It would appear odd that the club let their leading goalscorer leave but were happy to pay CMS' obviously high wage demands.

Shame on the idiots who booed Murray today.

StevieD wrote:
Time to dump Dunk, so much promise but a hot head that doesn't learn. Last time we will see him hopefully. Cost the seagulls the chance of a result, although Palace sadly at the moment are a better more organised and balanced side. Step forward to Mr Di Matteo and a new system, the other has run out of ideas!

suede27 wrote:
I thought Poyet is meant to be one of the most highly-rated up-and-coming managers?

If that's the case then can someone please tell me why it appears everyone apart from him acknowledges that we need to play 442 sometimes.

Yes, CMS works his socks off blah blah blah. But he needs to play with someone. Crucially, though, he needs service and that's only going to come with two wide men.

Poyet is tactically naive and stubborn.

Playing 433 and tippy-tappy football is all very well if you have the players. We don't. This is Brighton. Not Barcelona.

A large number of fans are getting increasingly frustrated with Poyet's inability to adapt. It's his way, or no way which is the reason why Murray left.

It would appear odd that the club let their leading goalscorer leave but were happy to pay CMS' obviously high wage demands.

Shame on the idiots who booed Murray today.

mark by the sea wrote:

Neillo wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:

Neillo wrote:
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.

I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!

Can't argue about the area - i moved out 30 years ago and it wasn't great then. Lived in Hove since and loving it. But others on here may need reminding of the Gallstone, Withdean - and the Priestfield of course. Not your recently acquired fans of course, they wouldn't know.

Name your source re what you said about Murray otherwise it's hardly a fact is it ?

It's his family ish? Can't really say, but his reaction yesterday looked bleak, I think he did not want a hat trick .. He wanted 9 k from brighton to stay. Palace offered him 11k he would have signed for less money.. No one who ever went to the priest field or withdean will ever forget!
You learnt to read and write since your move? Fair play! Lol

Hove Actually wrote:
All these comments about 10 v 11 are right but still wrong. At some time every team is going to play on either side of 10 or 11 and what was clear is we didn't manage it well, the only positive is we didn't lose by more.

mark by the sea wrote:

Neillo wrote: Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''. You clearly have forgotten your roots.

I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!

GosportGull wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:

Neillo wrote: Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''. You clearly have forgotten your roots.

I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!

Well Christmas is coming and so is the January transfer deadline , wonder if TB might pay GM what he wants this time ...
I can't think of any other available decent quality forward around at the moment... But if CMS wasn't so isolated and Hoskins played him in or the odd ball over the top , things could be very different...over to you Gus two strikers please . GG