Poyet rues "key moments"

The Argus: Gus shows his frustration (photo Simon Dack) Gus shows his frustration (photo Simon Dack)

Gus Poyet admitted an early red card was pivotal to his side’s 3-0 defeat at Selhurst Park.

The Albion boss admitted he had “no problems” with referee Mick Russell’s decision to send off Lewis Dunk.

But he felt his side might have got something from the game had they taken a good chance straight after half-time.

Craig Mackail-Smith hit the post when clean through before Glenn Murray, who had already headed home from a corner, and Owen Garvan converted second-half spot kicks.

Albion used Andrea Orlandi and Liam Bridcutt as emergency left-backs with Inigo Calderon, who started in place of the injured Wayne Bridge and Marcos Painter, switched from the left to a central berth when Dunk departed.

Adam El-Abd missed the game and Orlandi suffered a broken rib in the first half.

Poyet, whose side kicked off the derby unbeaten in seven games, said: “You come into the game on a good run, plenty of confidence, the team organised and after five minutes everything goes away for many reasons, one because of the sending off.

“We were struggling with defenders in the squad.

“The one thing you don’t want to lose is one of your defenders so that’s it, that’s the story of the game.”

He added: “In a game where you play 80-plus minutes with ten men, they scored from a corner and two penalties.

“In terms of the way we defended, the way we tried to come back into the game in the second half, there were key moments.

“The sending-off was the biggest, the goal just before half-time.

“And I still think the best chance of the game is Mackail-Smith’s.

“If we had scored as soon as we started the second half it’s a different story.”

Poyet felt Murray might have been offside when he went through to win the first penalty.

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6:08pm Sat 1 Dec 12

SMF20 says...

For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta SMF20

6:12pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

SMF20 wrote:
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta
Hold on a sec... are you saying that the sending off WASN'T a key moment? How is Gus's saying that it was somehow mutually exclusive from 'taking it on the chin'?
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta[/p][/quote]Hold on a sec... are you saying that the sending off WASN'T a key moment? How is Gus's saying that it was somehow mutually exclusive from 'taking it on the chin'? Old Scrote of the Amex

6:15pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

SMF20 wrote:
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta
Agree, Gus take a leaf out of Dougie Freedmans book. Outplayed, outfought , out classed. Weekend ruined, going to kick the cat now.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta[/p][/quote]Agree, Gus take a leaf out of Dougie Freedmans book. Outplayed, outfought , out classed. Weekend ruined, going to kick the cat now. Alfie T

6:23pm Sat 1 Dec 12

kwaidam says...

Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on. kwaidam

6:28pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

kwaidam wrote:
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.
Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.[/p][/quote]Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his. Alfie T

6:29pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Cory and Trevor says...

SMF20 wrote:
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta
Gus didn't make any mistakes today. Lewis Dunk did. And then he bad-mouthed the ref and got sent off. Nothing to do with Poyet.

You can't play against a good team that's in form and at home, with ten men.

You, SMF20 are very ignorant.

Sell Dunk in January, (assuming he's not in chokey by then). He's let down himself, his manager, his teammates, and all of Brighton's support by getting sent off so early and in such a stupid manner.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta[/p][/quote]Gus didn't make any mistakes today. Lewis Dunk did. And then he bad-mouthed the ref and got sent off. Nothing to do with Poyet. You can't play against a good team that's in form and at home, with ten men. You, SMF20 are very ignorant. Sell Dunk in January, (assuming he's not in chokey by then). He's let down himself, his manager, his teammates, and all of Brighton's support by getting sent off so early and in such a stupid manner. Cory and Trevor

6:31pm Sat 1 Dec 12

pablobrowno says...

Yet again though we don't stand a chance when our front men are incapable of taking chances. You just knew Cms was not going to score when clean through. We only have one player (on the pitch) who seems composed enough to finish those type of chances and that's our man William Buckley. And guess who might have scored that headed chance Barnes had in the first half? ...you guessed it...Mr Murray! What a loss!

We really are one goal scorer away from being top two I think, but it isn't cms. Why oh why is Poyet so reluctant to play Dobbie? We really MUST see a decent signing in January or I feel we will not improve much on last year's final position.

Come on Gus admit our weaknesses and address them!
Yet again though we don't stand a chance when our front men are incapable of taking chances. You just knew Cms was not going to score when clean through. We only have one player (on the pitch) who seems composed enough to finish those type of chances and that's our man William Buckley. And guess who might have scored that headed chance Barnes had in the first half? ...you guessed it...Mr Murray! What a loss! We really are one goal scorer away from being top two I think, but it isn't cms. Why oh why is Poyet so reluctant to play Dobbie? We really MUST see a decent signing in January or I feel we will not improve much on last year's final position. Come on Gus admit our weaknesses and address them! pablobrowno

6:38pm Sat 1 Dec 12

SMF20 says...

Cory and Trevor wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta
Gus didn't make any mistakes today. Lewis Dunk did. And then he bad-mouthed the ref and got sent off. Nothing to do with Poyet.

You can't play against a good team that's in form and at home, with ten men.

You, SMF20 are very ignorant.

Sell Dunk in January, (assuming he's not in chokey by then). He's let down himself, his manager, his teammates, and all of Brighton's support by getting sent off so early and in such a stupid manner.
I am not ignorant at all and certainly won't entertain a slanging match where we exchange insults. You are entitles to your opinion as I am mine. My comments refer to the bigger picture and not just singular moments of controversy. Have a good weekend.
[quote][p][bold]Cory and Trevor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta[/p][/quote]Gus didn't make any mistakes today. Lewis Dunk did. And then he bad-mouthed the ref and got sent off. Nothing to do with Poyet. You can't play against a good team that's in form and at home, with ten men. You, SMF20 are very ignorant. Sell Dunk in January, (assuming he's not in chokey by then). He's let down himself, his manager, his teammates, and all of Brighton's support by getting sent off so early and in such a stupid manner.[/p][/quote]I am not ignorant at all and certainly won't entertain a slanging match where we exchange insults. You are entitles to your opinion as I am mine. My comments refer to the bigger picture and not just singular moments of controversy. Have a good weekend. SMF20

6:38pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Carter_Cooldancer says...

I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly.

Selhurst is a dump BTW.
I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly. Selhurst is a dump BTW. Carter_Cooldancer

6:39pm Sat 1 Dec 12

kwaidam says...

pablobrowno wrote:
Yet again though we don't stand a chance when our front men are incapable of taking chances. You just knew Cms was not going to score when clean through. We only have one player (on the pitch) who seems composed enough to finish those type of chances and that's our man William Buckley. And guess who might have scored that headed chance Barnes had in the first half? ...you guessed it...Mr Murray! What a loss! We really are one goal scorer away from being top two I think, but it isn't cms. Why oh why is Poyet so reluctant to play Dobbie? We really MUST see a decent signing in January or I feel we will not improve much on last year's final position. Come on Gus admit our weaknesses and address them!
agreed. Will Buckley is the best finisher at the club, by a mile. People say CMS would be better with a Murray-type of player up front with him but so would Barnes - as was proved when he did play alongside GM. Given the amount of chances albion have created for CMS this season, his goal tally is very poor and he has yet to prove he is good enough at this level. Sad but true.
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: Yet again though we don't stand a chance when our front men are incapable of taking chances. You just knew Cms was not going to score when clean through. We only have one player (on the pitch) who seems composed enough to finish those type of chances and that's our man William Buckley. And guess who might have scored that headed chance Barnes had in the first half? ...you guessed it...Mr Murray! What a loss! We really are one goal scorer away from being top two I think, but it isn't cms. Why oh why is Poyet so reluctant to play Dobbie? We really MUST see a decent signing in January or I feel we will not improve much on last year's final position. Come on Gus admit our weaknesses and address them![/p][/quote]agreed. Will Buckley is the best finisher at the club, by a mile. People say CMS would be better with a Murray-type of player up front with him but so would Barnes - as was proved when he did play alongside GM. Given the amount of chances albion have created for CMS this season, his goal tally is very poor and he has yet to prove he is good enough at this level. Sad but true. kwaidam

6:39pm Sat 1 Dec 12

wiseman of hove says...

Surprising that two of our four deadline day signings in the last transfer window - Dobbie and David Lopez - are virtually redundant based on their combined match time. Has the manager decided already that in his own view they were mistakes?
Surprising that two of our four deadline day signings in the last transfer window - Dobbie and David Lopez - are virtually redundant based on their combined match time. Has the manager decided already that in his own view they were mistakes? wiseman of hove

6:41pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Well let's hope Elab and Bridge are fit, otherwise Charlton will also beat us, pleas Gus I just hope upon hope you keep playing Barnes so you can sell him to a league 1 side in Jan. Never liked Damian hust as an artist and know not very much about Art but people are starting to Cotten on to him. Know not enough to be a football manager, but know what I like, where as Murray used to make a kings sign when he scored Barnes is definitely the Kings clothes
Well let's hope Elab and Bridge are fit, otherwise Charlton will also beat us, pleas Gus I just hope upon hope you keep playing Barnes so you can sell him to a league 1 side in Jan. Never liked Damian hust as an artist and know not very much about Art but people are starting to Cotten on to him. Know not enough to be a football manager, but know what I like, where as Murray used to make a kings sign when he scored Barnes is definitely the Kings clothes Bucket feet Duffy

6:47pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

Carter_Cooldancer wrote:
I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly.

Selhurst is a dump BTW.
I watched the game at the Amex, being at the match makes no difference. To say Palace were not and are not a better team is unbelievable, are you sure you watched the same game ?
[quote][p][bold]Carter_Cooldancer[/bold] wrote: I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly. Selhurst is a dump BTW.[/p][/quote]I watched the game at the Amex, being at the match makes no difference. To say Palace were not and are not a better team is unbelievable, are you sure you watched the same game ? Alfie T

6:52pm Sat 1 Dec 12

kwaidam says...

Alfie T wrote:
Carter_Cooldancer wrote: I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly. Selhurst is a dump BTW.
I watched the game at the Amex, being at the match makes no difference. To say Palace were not and are not a better team is unbelievable, are you sure you watched the same game ?
10-11 makes it impossible to judge who is better or not ... but fair play to CP they are a decent side (as we are when things go our way too). they have Murray, we don't, end of. and slumhurst has always been a dump and always will be, premier league or not.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carter_Cooldancer[/bold] wrote: I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly. Selhurst is a dump BTW.[/p][/quote]I watched the game at the Amex, being at the match makes no difference. To say Palace were not and are not a better team is unbelievable, are you sure you watched the same game ?[/p][/quote]10-11 makes it impossible to judge who is better or not ... but fair play to CP they are a decent side (as we are when things go our way too). they have Murray, we don't, end of. and slumhurst has always been a dump and always will be, premier league or not. kwaidam

7:04pm Sat 1 Dec 12

tug509 says...

Cory and Trevor wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta
Gus didn't make any mistakes today. Lewis Dunk did. And then he bad-mouthed the ref and got sent off. Nothing to do with Poyet.

You can't play against a good team that's in form and at home, with ten men.

You, SMF20 are very ignorant.

Sell Dunk in January, (assuming he's not in chokey by then). He's let down himself, his manager, his teammates, and all of Brighton's support by getting sent off so early and in such a stupid manner.
I agree C & T apart from the (ignorant bit) .UTA
[quote][p][bold]Cory and Trevor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta[/p][/quote]Gus didn't make any mistakes today. Lewis Dunk did. And then he bad-mouthed the ref and got sent off. Nothing to do with Poyet. You can't play against a good team that's in form and at home, with ten men. You, SMF20 are very ignorant. Sell Dunk in January, (assuming he's not in chokey by then). He's let down himself, his manager, his teammates, and all of Brighton's support by getting sent off so early and in such a stupid manner.[/p][/quote]I agree C & T apart from the (ignorant bit) .UTA tug509

7:08pm Sat 1 Dec 12

buckler says...

The Horns can't wait till December 29, then your see how football should be played!
The Horns can't wait till December 29, then your see how football should be played! buckler

7:14pm Sat 1 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Key moment was letting Murray go , when 11 k a week would have kept him here, lets stop the smoke and mirrors, Gus deliver with the players who earn more than 11k a week. Sorry we were taken apart, they wanted it more than us.
Key moment was letting Murray go , when 11 k a week would have kept him here, lets stop the smoke and mirrors, Gus deliver with the players who earn more than 11k a week. Sorry we were taken apart, they wanted it more than us. mark by the sea

7:17pm Sat 1 Dec 12

tug509 says...

Carter_Cooldancer wrote:
I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly.

Selhurst is a dump BTW.
WE ARE NOT WORTHY.

A perfect description of the game,quality mate,nuff said....UTA
[quote][p][bold]Carter_Cooldancer[/bold] wrote: I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly. Selhurst is a dump BTW.[/p][/quote]WE ARE NOT WORTHY. A perfect description of the game,quality mate,nuff said....UTA tug509

7:19pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

buckler wrote:
The Horns can't wait till December 29, then your see how football should be played!
Wondered when she would be back on here, surprised we didn't hear from you when we played you earlier in the season.
[quote][p][bold]buckler[/bold] wrote: The Horns can't wait till December 29, then your see how football should be played![/p][/quote]Wondered when she would be back on here, surprised we didn't hear from you when we played you earlier in the season. Alfie T

7:26pm Sat 1 Dec 12

bruce beckett says...

That's just about completed my day of misery. Buckler the Bottler is back!
That's just about completed my day of misery. Buckler the Bottler is back! bruce beckett

7:32pm Sat 1 Dec 12

weststandupperlacostearmy says...

I hate being beaten by Palace...end of!!! Today we were outclassed even if we did have ten men for most of the game, so lets get on with it. Imo we are still a better team than last season and yes Gus does get it wrong from time to time but he is still learning his trade. I want him to stay and see the job through. Some of u people should be careful what you wish for because i wouldnt want the likes of McCarthy and Curbishley at this club.
I hate being beaten by Palace...end of!!! Today we were outclassed even if we did have ten men for most of the game, so lets get on with it. Imo we are still a better team than last season and yes Gus does get it wrong from time to time but he is still learning his trade. I want him to stay and see the job through. Some of u people should be careful what you wish for because i wouldnt want the likes of McCarthy and Curbishley at this club. weststandupperlacostearmy

7:35pm Sat 1 Dec 12

kwaidam says...

weststandupperlacost
earmy
wrote:
I hate being beaten by Palace...end of!!! Today we were outclassed even if we did have ten men for most of the game, so lets get on with it. Imo we are still a better team than last season and yes Gus does get it wrong from time to time but he is still learning his trade. I want him to stay and see the job through. Some of u people should be careful what you wish for because i wouldnt want the likes of McCarthy and Curbishley at this club.
wouldn't mind Mr Holloway though. Proper manager. And a good judge of a striker.
[quote][p][bold]weststandupperlacost earmy[/bold] wrote: I hate being beaten by Palace...end of!!! Today we were outclassed even if we did have ten men for most of the game, so lets get on with it. Imo we are still a better team than last season and yes Gus does get it wrong from time to time but he is still learning his trade. I want him to stay and see the job through. Some of u people should be careful what you wish for because i wouldnt want the likes of McCarthy and Curbishley at this club.[/p][/quote]wouldn't mind Mr Holloway though. Proper manager. And a good judge of a striker. kwaidam

7:45pm Sat 1 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Gus is right, 'key moments,' were pivitol.

Moment number one, No defender on the bench, why was El-Abd not inlcuded int he subs list.

Moment number two, Dunk's very correct sending off.

Moment number three, Barnes didn't go off to be replaced by El-Abd once Dunk was removed, ooops, no El-Abd.

Moment number three, a well taken goal by Murray.

Moment number four, CMS fluffs a great chance to level things after half time.

Moment number five, Murray dives to earn a penalty.

Moment number six Greer gives away a penalty.

IMHO the, 'moments,' can be shared between the manager and the players.

You got it wrong today Gus and some of your players did too.
Gus is right, 'key moments,' were pivitol. Moment number one, No defender on the bench, why was El-Abd not inlcuded int he subs list. Moment number two, Dunk's very correct sending off. Moment number three, Barnes didn't go off to be replaced by El-Abd once Dunk was removed, ooops, no El-Abd. Moment number three, a well taken goal by Murray. Moment number four, CMS fluffs a great chance to level things after half time. Moment number five, Murray dives to earn a penalty. Moment number six Greer gives away a penalty. IMHO the, 'moments,' can be shared between the manager and the players. You got it wrong today Gus and some of your players did too. VegasSeagull

7:51pm Sat 1 Dec 12

weststandupperlacostearmy says...

kwaidam wrote:
weststandupperlacost

earmy
wrote:
I hate being beaten by Palace...end of!!! Today we were outclassed even if we did have ten men for most of the game, so lets get on with it. Imo we are still a better team than last season and yes Gus does get it wrong from time to time but he is still learning his trade. I want him to stay and see the job through. Some of u people should be careful what you wish for because i wouldnt want the likes of McCarthy and Curbishley at this club.
wouldn't mind Mr Holloway though. Proper manager. And a good judge of a striker.
yes he is a good manager but he didnt sign Murray and Gus tried very hard to get Phillips last season. He left a sinking ship at Blackpool for a club that still wont get promotion.
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]weststandupperlacost earmy[/bold] wrote: I hate being beaten by Palace...end of!!! Today we were outclassed even if we did have ten men for most of the game, so lets get on with it. Imo we are still a better team than last season and yes Gus does get it wrong from time to time but he is still learning his trade. I want him to stay and see the job through. Some of u people should be careful what you wish for because i wouldnt want the likes of McCarthy and Curbishley at this club.[/p][/quote]wouldn't mind Mr Holloway though. Proper manager. And a good judge of a striker.[/p][/quote]yes he is a good manager but he didnt sign Murray and Gus tried very hard to get Phillips last season. He left a sinking ship at Blackpool for a club that still wont get promotion. weststandupperlacostearmy

7:59pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Ken from Beamish says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Key moment was letting Murray go , when 11 k a week would have kept him here, lets stop the smoke and mirrors, Gus deliver with the players who earn more than 11k a week. Sorry we were taken apart, they wanted it more than us.
Mark- you are right Murray was a key loss, but remember, you were also in the camp at that time who said he would not make it at this level - a "one season wonder" if I remember rightly. If you are right about CMS & Vicente wages as examples of what's being paid out, then it's clear why we can't get the forward we need - no money in the kitty. How does Bloom feel about paying out £10k a week for a guy who went off with a thigh strain in August and is still not fit to play ?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Key moment was letting Murray go , when 11 k a week would have kept him here, lets stop the smoke and mirrors, Gus deliver with the players who earn more than 11k a week. Sorry we were taken apart, they wanted it more than us.[/p][/quote]Mark- you are right Murray was a key loss, but remember, you were also in the camp at that time who said he would not make it at this level - a "one season wonder" if I remember rightly. If you are right about CMS & Vicente wages as examples of what's being paid out, then it's clear why we can't get the forward we need - no money in the kitty. How does Bloom feel about paying out £10k a week for a guy who went off with a thigh strain in August and is still not fit to play ? Ken from Beamish

8:07pm Sat 1 Dec 12

weststandupperlacostearmy says...

Im off to see Santa at Churchill square tomorrow and i have my wish list ready...one centre back, a bruiser type forward and half a season out of Senor Sicknote. Do you think im adking too much?
Im off to see Santa at Churchill square tomorrow and i have my wish list ready...one centre back, a bruiser type forward and half a season out of Senor Sicknote. Do you think im adking too much? weststandupperlacostearmy

8:09pm Sat 1 Dec 12

weststandupperlacostearmy says...

sorry,asking!
sorry,asking! weststandupperlacostearmy

8:09pm Sat 1 Dec 12

fratsomrover says...

For me the key moment was when I heard the team he'd picked. Not in the least surprised by the result after hearing that starting 11. Cant understand picking Dunk. He and Barnes have the worst ball control in the division. If you are going to play the ball around the back line, you cant pick Dunk. The game was over as soon as he lost that ball. Why bring back Barnes and CMS ? Surely we all know they are a toothless combination by now. Lightweight and limited. Why drop Hoskins and the experienced Dobbie ? Palace outplayed us. with 2 attacking wingers and a class centre forward they always threatened. Bruno was well and truly exposed and displayed many defensive frailties. Quite worrying and very disappointing. We are not going to make the play-offs on this form and Gus's limitations are beginning to show. A bad day !!
For me the key moment was when I heard the team he'd picked. Not in the least surprised by the result after hearing that starting 11. Cant understand picking Dunk. He and Barnes have the worst ball control in the division. If you are going to play the ball around the back line, you cant pick Dunk. The game was over as soon as he lost that ball. Why bring back Barnes and CMS ? Surely we all know they are a toothless combination by now. Lightweight and limited. Why drop Hoskins and the experienced Dobbie ? Palace outplayed us. with 2 attacking wingers and a class centre forward they always threatened. Bruno was well and truly exposed and displayed many defensive frailties. Quite worrying and very disappointing. We are not going to make the play-offs on this form and Gus's limitations are beginning to show. A bad day !! fratsomrover

8:14pm Sat 1 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

Oh dear.
No improvement from last season at all if you compare the matches played / points tally.
GP should be taking the club forward, not stagnating it.
I sense faith and trust in GP is eroding..
Oh dear. No improvement from last season at all if you compare the matches played / points tally. GP should be taking the club forward, not stagnating it. I sense faith and trust in GP is eroding.. sussexram40

8:17pm Sat 1 Dec 12

davidinsouthampton says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Gus is right, 'key moments,' were pivitol.

Moment number one, No defender on the bench, why was El-Abd not inlcuded int he subs list.

Moment number two, Dunk's very correct sending off.

Moment number three, Barnes didn't go off to be replaced by El-Abd once Dunk was removed, ooops, no El-Abd.

Moment number three, a well taken goal by Murray.

Moment number four, CMS fluffs a great chance to level things after half time.

Moment number five, Murray dives to earn a penalty.

Moment number six Greer gives away a penalty.

IMHO the, 'moments,' can be shared between the manager and the players.

You got it wrong today Gus and some of your players did too.
What part of "El-Abd was injured" and "We were struggling for defenders in the squad" do you not understand. he can only work with what he has got!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Gus is right, 'key moments,' were pivitol. Moment number one, No defender on the bench, why was El-Abd not inlcuded int he subs list. Moment number two, Dunk's very correct sending off. Moment number three, Barnes didn't go off to be replaced by El-Abd once Dunk was removed, ooops, no El-Abd. Moment number three, a well taken goal by Murray. Moment number four, CMS fluffs a great chance to level things after half time. Moment number five, Murray dives to earn a penalty. Moment number six Greer gives away a penalty. IMHO the, 'moments,' can be shared between the manager and the players. You got it wrong today Gus and some of your players did too.[/p][/quote]What part of "El-Abd was injured" and "We were struggling for defenders in the squad" do you not understand. he can only work with what he has got! davidinsouthampton

8:18pm Sat 1 Dec 12

davidinsouthampton says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Gus is right, 'key moments,' were pivitol.

Moment number one, No defender on the bench, why was El-Abd not inlcuded int he subs list.

Moment number two, Dunk's very correct sending off.

Moment number three, Barnes didn't go off to be replaced by El-Abd once Dunk was removed, ooops, no El-Abd.

Moment number three, a well taken goal by Murray.

Moment number four, CMS fluffs a great chance to level things after half time.

Moment number five, Murray dives to earn a penalty.

Moment number six Greer gives away a penalty.

IMHO the, 'moments,' can be shared between the manager and the players.

You got it wrong today Gus and some of your players did too.
What part of "El-Abd was injured" and "We were struggling for defenders in the squad" do you not understand. he can only work with what he has got!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Gus is right, 'key moments,' were pivitol. Moment number one, No defender on the bench, why was El-Abd not inlcuded int he subs list. Moment number two, Dunk's very correct sending off. Moment number three, Barnes didn't go off to be replaced by El-Abd once Dunk was removed, ooops, no El-Abd. Moment number three, a well taken goal by Murray. Moment number four, CMS fluffs a great chance to level things after half time. Moment number five, Murray dives to earn a penalty. Moment number six Greer gives away a penalty. IMHO the, 'moments,' can be shared between the manager and the players. You got it wrong today Gus and some of your players did too.[/p][/quote]What part of "El-Abd was injured" and "We were struggling for defenders in the squad" do you not understand. he can only work with what he has got! davidinsouthampton

8:22pm Sat 1 Dec 12

wiseman of hove says...

The manager has confirmed that the best chance in the match fell to CMS (and no goal) I'm a longstanding ardent fan of CMS and when he came off the bench against Bristol City, he demonstrated his fantastic effort and commitment to the cause.
However, that said, I would hope that consideration will be given to resuming the Hoskins experiment for a few weeks, not abandoning it after one game - even if it means a spell on the bench for CMS. I think Hoskins may currenty prove to be a more clinical finisher, given decent opportunity.
The manager has confirmed that the best chance in the match fell to CMS (and no goal) I'm a longstanding ardent fan of CMS and when he came off the bench against Bristol City, he demonstrated his fantastic effort and commitment to the cause. However, that said, I would hope that consideration will be given to resuming the Hoskins experiment for a few weeks, not abandoning it after one game - even if it means a spell on the bench for CMS. I think Hoskins may currenty prove to be a more clinical finisher, given decent opportunity. wiseman of hove

8:27pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Chi Gull says...

All the usual negative types rushing to post something. We have all seen games where an early sending off scuppers the plans. Today Gus took a risk on the subs bench because of injuries and it backfired. That's the way it goes sometimes. For those saying we are no better off than last season, you clearly havent been watching any games. This is a tough tough league. We will do better this December than last year, when we lost 4 on the trot. CMS and Barnes were the right choice for this game. Hoskins and Dobbie a bit lightweight and didnt really shine against a poor Bristol City side. 3 points at Charlton please!!
All the usual negative types rushing to post something. We have all seen games where an early sending off scuppers the plans. Today Gus took a risk on the subs bench because of injuries and it backfired. That's the way it goes sometimes. For those saying we are no better off than last season, you clearly havent been watching any games. This is a tough tough league. We will do better this December than last year, when we lost 4 on the trot. CMS and Barnes were the right choice for this game. Hoskins and Dobbie a bit lightweight and didnt really shine against a poor Bristol City side. 3 points at Charlton please!! Chi Gull

8:27pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

How come everyone knows (or claims to know) what players are paid or were offered? No-one where I work knows my salary except for the wages clerk - it certainly isn't made public knowledge.
How come everyone knows (or claims to know) what players are paid or were offered? No-one where I work knows my salary except for the wages clerk - it certainly isn't made public knowledge. Old Scrote of the Amex

8:28pm Sat 1 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Ken from Beamish wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Key moment was letting Murray go , when 11 k a week would have kept him here, lets stop the smoke and mirrors, Gus deliver with the players who earn more than 11k a week. Sorry we were taken apart, they wanted it more than us.
Mark- you are right Murray was a key loss, but remember, you were also in the camp at that time who said he would not make it at this level - a "one season wonder" if I remember rightly. If you are right about CMS & Vicente wages as examples of what's being paid out, then it's clear why we can't get the forward we need - no money in the kitty. How does Bloom feel about paying out £10k a week for a guy who went off with a thigh strain in August and is still not fit to play ?
Gus has yet to have a forward on form other than Murray who he inherited .. He let ELphick and the other lad go to Bournemouth, we are short at centre back . 3 is not enough in any league in this country ...
Tear up Vicente contract .. And bring in some backbone, with exception of GG and bridcut we lack balls.
[quote][p][bold]Ken from Beamish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Key moment was letting Murray go , when 11 k a week would have kept him here, lets stop the smoke and mirrors, Gus deliver with the players who earn more than 11k a week. Sorry we were taken apart, they wanted it more than us.[/p][/quote]Mark- you are right Murray was a key loss, but remember, you were also in the camp at that time who said he would not make it at this level - a "one season wonder" if I remember rightly. If you are right about CMS & Vicente wages as examples of what's being paid out, then it's clear why we can't get the forward we need - no money in the kitty. How does Bloom feel about paying out £10k a week for a guy who went off with a thigh strain in August and is still not fit to play ?[/p][/quote]Gus has yet to have a forward on form other than Murray who he inherited .. He let ELphick and the other lad go to Bournemouth, we are short at centre back . 3 is not enough in any league in this country ... Tear up Vicente contract .. And bring in some backbone, with exception of GG and bridcut we lack balls. mark by the sea

8:33pm Sat 1 Dec 12

seagulltess says...

Well said by almost everyone; Dunk is a liability which we cannot afford. El Ab should have played today without doubt and why was he not even on the bench. Maybe another mystery injury arose from nowhere. Dropping Hoskins and putting barndoor Barnes back in was crazy. We were told on friday that Bridge was fit and would play and what happens; he does not even make the bench. It is about time the club were honest with us and not keep lying about players fitness. Now I see we will be without Orlandi for a few weeks with a broken rib. As for Vicente send him back where he came from and use the money to fund the purchase of a top striker because we will win nothing with Mackail Smith up front. As for Barnes he is just not worth the effort, let him go as well. Just when we seem to be progressing on the right lines Gus sees fit to keep changing the line up for at times no reason. Just do not understand his thinking at times. Please please a new striker in January.
Well said by almost everyone; Dunk is a liability which we cannot afford. El Ab should have played today without doubt and why was he not even on the bench. Maybe another mystery injury arose from nowhere. Dropping Hoskins and putting barndoor Barnes back in was crazy. We were told on friday that Bridge was fit and would play and what happens; he does not even make the bench. It is about time the club were honest with us and not keep lying about players fitness. Now I see we will be without Orlandi for a few weeks with a broken rib. As for Vicente send him back where he came from and use the money to fund the purchase of a top striker because we will win nothing with Mackail Smith up front. As for Barnes he is just not worth the effort, let him go as well. Just when we seem to be progressing on the right lines Gus sees fit to keep changing the line up for at times no reason. Just do not understand his thinking at times. Please please a new striker in January. seagulltess

8:34pm Sat 1 Dec 12

suede27 says...

I thought Poyet is meant to be one of the most highly-rated up-and-coming managers?

If that's the case then can someone please tell me why it appears everyone apart from him acknowledges that we need to play 442 sometimes.

Yes, CMS works his socks off blah blah blah. But he needs to play with someone. Crucially, though, he needs service and that's only going to come with two wide men.

Poyet is tactically naive and stubborn.

Playing 433 and tippy-tappy football is all very well if you have the players. We don't. This is Brighton. Not Barcelona.

A large number of fans are getting increasingly frustrated with Poyet's inability to adapt. It's his way, or no way which is the reason why Murray left.

It would appear odd that the club let their leading goalscorer leave but were happy to pay CMS' obviously high wage demands.

Shame on the idiots who booed Murray today.
I thought Poyet is meant to be one of the most highly-rated up-and-coming managers? If that's the case then can someone please tell me why it appears everyone apart from him acknowledges that we need to play 442 sometimes. Yes, CMS works his socks off blah blah blah. But he needs to play with someone. Crucially, though, he needs service and that's only going to come with two wide men. Poyet is tactically naive and stubborn. Playing 433 and tippy-tappy football is all very well if you have the players. We don't. This is Brighton. Not Barcelona. A large number of fans are getting increasingly frustrated with Poyet's inability to adapt. It's his way, or no way which is the reason why Murray left. It would appear odd that the club let their leading goalscorer leave but were happy to pay CMS' obviously high wage demands. Shame on the idiots who booed Murray today. suede27

8:36pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Far gull says...

Whole situ a bit deflating at present! In need of positivity, can someone supply, rafa not the answer that's for sure. Not happy with excuses from gus. Even though sending off's due generally change games seem to remember wolves managed ok a couple of weeks back why couldn't we gus? Why buy dobbie then no play him and when you do,out of his best position,why sell noone and then play Barnes on the left out of his best position, so many questions. Will be happy with top half finish now, then I fear a complete rebuild req in summer as back line will be to old out,out of contract,or in demand elsewhere.
Whole situ a bit deflating at present! In need of positivity, can someone supply, rafa not the answer that's for sure. Not happy with excuses from gus. Even though sending off's due generally change games seem to remember wolves managed ok a couple of weeks back why couldn't we gus? Why buy dobbie then no play him and when you do,out of his best position,why sell noone and then play Barnes on the left out of his best position, so many questions. Will be happy with top half finish now, then I fear a complete rebuild req in summer as back line will be to old out,out of contract,or in demand elsewhere. Far gull

8:45pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Ken from Beamish wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Key moment was letting Murray go , when 11 k a week would have kept him here, lets stop the smoke and mirrors, Gus deliver with the players who earn more than 11k a week. Sorry we were taken apart, they wanted it more than us.
Mark- you are right Murray was a key loss, but remember, you were also in the camp at that time who said he would not make it at this level - a "one season wonder" if I remember rightly. If you are right about CMS & Vicente wages as examples of what's being paid out, then it's clear why we can't get the forward we need - no money in the kitty. How does Bloom feel about paying out £10k a week for a guy who went off with a thigh strain in August and is still not fit to play ?
Gus has yet to have a forward on form other than Murray who he inherited .. He let ELphick and the other lad go to Bournemouth, we are short at centre back . 3 is not enough in any league in this country ...
Tear up Vicente contract .. And bring in some backbone, with exception of GG and bridcut we lack balls.
Greer without El-abd is distinctly average, watches the man and not the ball, he wasn't even looking the right way when he pushed Murray. Moans and his team mates rather than encourages them, IMO not the man to lead us to the premiership on the pitch.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ken from Beamish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Key moment was letting Murray go , when 11 k a week would have kept him here, lets stop the smoke and mirrors, Gus deliver with the players who earn more than 11k a week. Sorry we were taken apart, they wanted it more than us.[/p][/quote]Mark- you are right Murray was a key loss, but remember, you were also in the camp at that time who said he would not make it at this level - a "one season wonder" if I remember rightly. If you are right about CMS & Vicente wages as examples of what's being paid out, then it's clear why we can't get the forward we need - no money in the kitty. How does Bloom feel about paying out £10k a week for a guy who went off with a thigh strain in August and is still not fit to play ?[/p][/quote]Gus has yet to have a forward on form other than Murray who he inherited .. He let ELphick and the other lad go to Bournemouth, we are short at centre back . 3 is not enough in any league in this country ... Tear up Vicente contract .. And bring in some backbone, with exception of GG and bridcut we lack balls.[/p][/quote]Greer without El-abd is distinctly average, watches the man and not the ball, he wasn't even looking the right way when he pushed Murray. Moans and his team mates rather than encourages them, IMO not the man to lead us to the premiership on the pitch. Alfie T

8:46pm Sat 1 Dec 12

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

SMF20 wrote:
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta
Idiot. There wasn't even a case to argue who was the better side. We were down to 10 after 6 mins. At that point it's going to be pretty much one sided.
Game was over as soon as Dunk was off. Out battled ? Your an idiot, we were under the cosh for for 85 mins.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta[/p][/quote]Idiot. There wasn't even a case to argue who was the better side. We were down to 10 after 6 mins. At that point it's going to be pretty much one sided. Game was over as soon as Dunk was off. Out battled ? Your an idiot, we were under the cosh for for 85 mins. PressBoxTeaBoy

8:46pm Sat 1 Dec 12

SecondReserve says...

Well, what a disaster that was and sadly, whether we like it or not, Palace are a far better team than us. We were very poor all over the pitch, no discipline, a man sent off and two penalties conceded (and they scored them both note). I fail to see how even our most blinkered supporters can think we are going to finish above Palace this season – they are 9 points ahead of us before the halfway stage, they’ve got an excellent manager, they’ve just beaten us 3-0 and, even allowing for the fact that we played most of the match with only 10 men, they looked a far better football team than we did.

Dunk got away with a dreadful challenge last week because the player was far too good for him and a goal was scored. Did he learn his lesson? Of course not, talk about an accident waiting to happen. 7 substitutes on the bench, not one single defender among them.

Gus says we couldn’t afford Murray so he spends a hell of a lot of money on Hoskins and an absolute fortune on CMS (who missed yet another extremely good chance today to add to his long list, really it was a sitter for a genuine Championship striker) but the fact is that Murray was - and is - clearly better than both of those two put together. And I wonder just what Vicente is costing us to not play. Gus said on Wednesday that Bridge was available (not may be, no ifs or buts) for Saturday. Saturday comes, no Bridge, is anyone at all surprised – no, you can’t believe anything that Gus says.

And some of our fans still think Gus can do no wrong. What? You’ve got to be joking. He needs to stop making excuses, take some responsibility, talk sense, start being honest with the fans, get the team playing with a less defensive formation and tactics, make sensible team selections and get two proper strikers in January. We have 8 new players this season, all of whom have played at a high level for good teams, but we are less good as a team than we were last season. Clearly we were going to lose today once we went down to 10 men but we didn’t look remotely like play-off contenders.
Well, what a disaster that was and sadly, whether we like it or not, Palace are a far better team than us. We were very poor all over the pitch, no discipline, a man sent off and two penalties conceded (and they scored them both note). I fail to see how even our most blinkered supporters can think we are going to finish above Palace this season – they are 9 points ahead of us before the halfway stage, they’ve got an excellent manager, they’ve just beaten us 3-0 and, even allowing for the fact that we played most of the match with only 10 men, they looked a far better football team than we did. Dunk got away with a dreadful challenge last week because the player was far too good for him and a goal was scored. Did he learn his lesson? Of course not, talk about an accident waiting to happen. 7 substitutes on the bench, not one single defender among them. Gus says we couldn’t afford Murray so he spends a hell of a lot of money on Hoskins and an absolute fortune on CMS (who missed yet another extremely good chance today to add to his long list, really it was a sitter for a genuine Championship striker) but the fact is that Murray was - and is - clearly better than both of those two put together. And I wonder just what Vicente is costing us to not play. Gus said on Wednesday that Bridge was available (not may be, no ifs or buts) for Saturday. Saturday comes, no Bridge, is anyone at all surprised – no, you can’t believe anything that Gus says. And some of our fans still think Gus can do no wrong. What? You’ve got to be joking. He needs to stop making excuses, take some responsibility, talk sense, start being honest with the fans, get the team playing with a less defensive formation and tactics, make sensible team selections and get two proper strikers in January. We have 8 new players this season, all of whom have played at a high level for good teams, but we are less good as a team than we were last season. Clearly we were going to lose today once we went down to 10 men but we didn’t look remotely like play-off contenders. SecondReserve

8:53pm Sat 1 Dec 12

paul the hill says...

Very disappointing today.
Injuries did not help. Hope elalb and bridge are fit for next week but concerned about Orlandi and hope is fit . If not Gus tell Vicente he is playing and he will replace Orlandi and if he says he is not fit tell him to go. We want players who want to play for the club not prima donnas.
Time to play cms Hoskins buckley dobbie promote adestein and perhaps promote the kids from the development squad , get jfc back sooner than later.
We are really in the mix and only 2 pts off 6th so time to beat Charlton and go on a winning run again.
See theofanis gekas Greek striker and Diego Arismendi are now available.
Time to shake the team up
Charlton will receive the backlash from us next week
Seagulls!!!!



D
Very disappointing today. Injuries did not help. Hope elalb and bridge are fit for next week but concerned about Orlandi and hope is fit . If not Gus tell Vicente he is playing and he will replace Orlandi and if he says he is not fit tell him to go. We want players who want to play for the club not prima donnas. Time to play cms Hoskins buckley dobbie promote adestein and perhaps promote the kids from the development squad , get jfc back sooner than later. We are really in the mix and only 2 pts off 6th so time to beat Charlton and go on a winning run again. See theofanis gekas Greek striker and Diego Arismendi are now available. Time to shake the team up Charlton will receive the backlash from us next week Seagulls!!!! D paul the hill

9:09pm Sat 1 Dec 12

tug509 says...

seagulltess wrote:
Well said by almost everyone; Dunk is a liability which we cannot afford. El Ab should have played today without doubt and why was he not even on the bench. Maybe another mystery injury arose from nowhere. Dropping Hoskins and putting barndoor Barnes back in was crazy. We were told on friday that Bridge was fit and would play and what happens; he does not even make the bench. It is about time the club were honest with us and not keep lying about players fitness. Now I see we will be without Orlandi for a few weeks with a broken rib. As for Vicente send him back where he came from and use the money to fund the purchase of a top striker because we will win nothing with Mackail Smith up front. As for Barnes he is just not worth the effort, let him go as well. Just when we seem to be progressing on the right lines Gus sees fit to keep changing the line up for at times no reason. Just do not understand his thinking at times. Please please a new striker in January.
Agree completely,but i cant help feeling we will need Digger at some point. And if we let him go ,we had better make sure we secure someone top notch to replace him,in January...UTA
[quote][p][bold]seagulltess[/bold] wrote: Well said by almost everyone; Dunk is a liability which we cannot afford. El Ab should have played today without doubt and why was he not even on the bench. Maybe another mystery injury arose from nowhere. Dropping Hoskins and putting barndoor Barnes back in was crazy. We were told on friday that Bridge was fit and would play and what happens; he does not even make the bench. It is about time the club were honest with us and not keep lying about players fitness. Now I see we will be without Orlandi for a few weeks with a broken rib. As for Vicente send him back where he came from and use the money to fund the purchase of a top striker because we will win nothing with Mackail Smith up front. As for Barnes he is just not worth the effort, let him go as well. Just when we seem to be progressing on the right lines Gus sees fit to keep changing the line up for at times no reason. Just do not understand his thinking at times. Please please a new striker in January.[/p][/quote]Agree completely,but i cant help feeling we will need Digger at some point. And if we let him go ,we had better make sure we secure someone top notch to replace him,in January...UTA tug509

9:10pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Clean Sheet says...

What is the point of going on about Murray. He had one great season for us, but the prior seasons he had been petulant at best. GP has a vision for the Albion, and we either buy into it as fans, or move up the M23 to Croydon. We all have a choice. Mine is to support the Seagulls. We are not going to win every week, but we are having a good season. We are usually stronger in the second half of the season, and if we are good enough we will get promoted. If not, we won't.
What is the point of going on about Murray. He had one great season for us, but the prior seasons he had been petulant at best. GP has a vision for the Albion, and we either buy into it as fans, or move up the M23 to Croydon. We all have a choice. Mine is to support the Seagulls. We are not going to win every week, but we are having a good season. We are usually stronger in the second half of the season, and if we are good enough we will get promoted. If not, we won't. Clean Sheet

9:12pm Sat 1 Dec 12

brightonup says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Oh dear. No improvement from last season at all if you compare the matches played / points tally. GP should be taking the club forward, not stagnating it. I sense faith and trust in GP is eroding..
Wrong again.
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Oh dear. No improvement from last season at all if you compare the matches played / points tally. GP should be taking the club forward, not stagnating it. I sense faith and trust in GP is eroding..[/p][/quote]Wrong again. brightonup

9:16pm Sat 1 Dec 12

tug509 says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta
Idiot. There wasn't even a case to argue who was the better side. We were down to 10 after 6 mins. At that point it's going to be pretty much one sided.
Game was over as soon as Dunk was off. Out battled ? Your an idiot, we were under the cosh for for 85 mins.
Well said PBTB,glad to see someone knows their maths..UTA
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta[/p][/quote]Idiot. There wasn't even a case to argue who was the better side. We were down to 10 after 6 mins. At that point it's going to be pretty much one sided. Game was over as soon as Dunk was off. Out battled ? Your an idiot, we were under the cosh for for 85 mins.[/p][/quote]Well said PBTB,glad to see someone knows their maths..UTA tug509

9:28pm Sat 1 Dec 12

The Phantom says...

Really bad day - the sending off was integral to the direction of the match. Impossible to say how the match would have gone had we kept 11 men on the pitch. Palace played very well against 10 men and 3-0 was about right. Holloway complimented the way that Brighton did not let their heads go down so comments above that Palace wanted it more are just silly. As Gus said a week ago, it is football, albeit that we created our own problems today. Horrible journey home did not help either - total lack of communication from the police prior to shepherding the fans back to the station and also tiresome behaviour from the moronic element of our support that seemed to come out to play today.
Really bad day - the sending off was integral to the direction of the match. Impossible to say how the match would have gone had we kept 11 men on the pitch. Palace played very well against 10 men and 3-0 was about right. Holloway complimented the way that Brighton did not let their heads go down so comments above that Palace wanted it more are just silly. As Gus said a week ago, it is football, albeit that we created our own problems today. Horrible journey home did not help either - total lack of communication from the police prior to shepherding the fans back to the station and also tiresome behaviour from the moronic element of our support that seemed to come out to play today. The Phantom

9:34pm Sat 1 Dec 12

brightonup says...

tug509 wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
SMF20 wrote: For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta
Idiot. There wasn't even a case to argue who was the better side. We were down to 10 after 6 mins. At that point it's going to be pretty much one sided. Game was over as soon as Dunk was off. Out battled ? Your an idiot, we were under the cosh for for 85 mins.
Well said PBTB,glad to see someone knows their maths..UTA
I have to agree with PBTB; Dunk is very young, made a crucial error - and after his sending off, it was either damage limitation or a minor miracle.....

However, we really do need someone to finish off good chances. If CMS had scored when he was put through, we might have made the opposition feel a little uncomfortable for a while....
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: For heavens sake man. Take it on the chin. We were beaten and out battled by a better side today. You really need to learn to accept your mistakes and take them like a man, learn from them and don't under any circumstances make the same mistakes again. Uta[/p][/quote]Idiot. There wasn't even a case to argue who was the better side. We were down to 10 after 6 mins. At that point it's going to be pretty much one sided. Game was over as soon as Dunk was off. Out battled ? Your an idiot, we were under the cosh for for 85 mins.[/p][/quote]Well said PBTB,glad to see someone knows their maths..UTA[/p][/quote]I have to agree with PBTB; Dunk is very young, made a crucial error - and after his sending off, it was either damage limitation or a minor miracle..... However, we really do need someone to finish off good chances. If CMS had scored when he was put through, we might have made the opposition feel a little uncomfortable for a while.... brightonup

9:34pm Sat 1 Dec 12

bruce beckett says...

Gus said on Wednesday that Bridge was available (not may be, no ifs or buts) for Saturday.

This is true. Why bother saying it if it's rubbish? Does he think it will change Holloway's tactics. Calderon, a right-sided player at left back, really worked the trick, didn't it? I wish Gus would stop thinking he's the second coming of the Tinkerman and cease making needless changes every game. Some of the players don't know whether they're coming or going, although nobody seems to want to leave the club these days. Money is too good.
Gus said on Wednesday that Bridge was available (not may be, no ifs or buts) for Saturday. This is true. Why bother saying it if it's rubbish? Does he think it will change Holloway's tactics. Calderon, a right-sided player at left back, really worked the trick, didn't it? I wish Gus would stop thinking he's the second coming of the Tinkerman and cease making needless changes every game. Some of the players don't know whether they're coming or going, although nobody seems to want to leave the club these days. Money is too good. bruce beckett

9:34pm Sat 1 Dec 12

roast says...

Alfie T wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Ken from Beamish wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Key moment was letting Murray go , when 11 k a week would have kept him here, lets stop the smoke and mirrors, Gus deliver with the players who earn more than 11k a week. Sorry we were taken apart, they wanted it more than us.
Mark- you are right Murray was a key loss, but remember, you were also in the camp at that time who said he would not make it at this level - a "one season wonder" if I remember rightly. If you are right about CMS & Vicente wages as examples of what's being paid out, then it's clear why we can't get the forward we need - no money in the kitty. How does Bloom feel about paying out £10k a week for a guy who went off with a thigh strain in August and is still not fit to play ?
Gus has yet to have a forward on form other than Murray who he inherited .. He let ELphick and the other lad go to Bournemouth, we are short at centre back . 3 is not enough in any league in this country ...
Tear up Vicente contract .. And bring in some backbone, with exception of GG and bridcut we lack balls.
Greer without El-abd is distinctly average, watches the man and not the ball, he wasn't even looking the right way when he pushed Murray. Moans and his team mates rather than encourages them, IMO not the man to lead us to the premiership on the pitch.
Agree with this, Greer has been awful this season, a centre back who can't head the ball!
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ken from Beamish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Key moment was letting Murray go , when 11 k a week would have kept him here, lets stop the smoke and mirrors, Gus deliver with the players who earn more than 11k a week. Sorry we were taken apart, they wanted it more than us.[/p][/quote]Mark- you are right Murray was a key loss, but remember, you were also in the camp at that time who said he would not make it at this level - a "one season wonder" if I remember rightly. If you are right about CMS & Vicente wages as examples of what's being paid out, then it's clear why we can't get the forward we need - no money in the kitty. How does Bloom feel about paying out £10k a week for a guy who went off with a thigh strain in August and is still not fit to play ?[/p][/quote]Gus has yet to have a forward on form other than Murray who he inherited .. He let ELphick and the other lad go to Bournemouth, we are short at centre back . 3 is not enough in any league in this country ... Tear up Vicente contract .. And bring in some backbone, with exception of GG and bridcut we lack balls.[/p][/quote]Greer without El-abd is distinctly average, watches the man and not the ball, he wasn't even looking the right way when he pushed Murray. Moans and his team mates rather than encourages them, IMO not the man to lead us to the premiership on the pitch.[/p][/quote]Agree with this, Greer has been awful this season, a centre back who can't head the ball! roast

9:40pm Sat 1 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

brightonup wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
Oh dear. No improvement from last season at all if you compare the matches played / points tally. GP should be taking the club forward, not stagnating it. I sense faith and trust in GP is eroding..
Wrong again.
No, right. I checked the results. After 20 games last season we had 32 points. This season after 20 games we have 31 points. That's a worse return than last season at the same stage.
[quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Oh dear. No improvement from last season at all if you compare the matches played / points tally. GP should be taking the club forward, not stagnating it. I sense faith and trust in GP is eroding..[/p][/quote]Wrong again.[/p][/quote]No, right. I checked the results. After 20 games last season we had 32 points. This season after 20 games we have 31 points. That's a worse return than last season at the same stage. sussexram40

9:41pm Sat 1 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

davidinsouthampton wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: Gus is right, 'key moments,' were pivitol. Moment number one, No defender on the bench, why was El-Abd not inlcuded int he subs list. Moment number two, Dunk's very correct sending off. Moment number three, Barnes didn't go off to be replaced by El-Abd once Dunk was removed, ooops, no El-Abd. Moment number three, a well taken goal by Murray. Moment number four, CMS fluffs a great chance to level things after half time. Moment number five, Murray dives to earn a penalty. Moment number six Greer gives away a penalty. IMHO the, 'moments,' can be shared between the manager and the players. You got it wrong today Gus and some of your players did too.
What part of "El-Abd was injured" and "We were struggling for defenders in the squad" do you not understand. he can only work with what he has got!
The article says that El-Abd missed the game, it says nothing about him not being fit.

Suggest you read it again.
[quote][p][bold]davidinsouthampton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Gus is right, 'key moments,' were pivitol. Moment number one, No defender on the bench, why was El-Abd not inlcuded int he subs list. Moment number two, Dunk's very correct sending off. Moment number three, Barnes didn't go off to be replaced by El-Abd once Dunk was removed, ooops, no El-Abd. Moment number three, a well taken goal by Murray. Moment number four, CMS fluffs a great chance to level things after half time. Moment number five, Murray dives to earn a penalty. Moment number six Greer gives away a penalty. IMHO the, 'moments,' can be shared between the manager and the players. You got it wrong today Gus and some of your players did too.[/p][/quote]What part of "El-Abd was injured" and "We were struggling for defenders in the squad" do you not understand. he can only work with what he has got![/p][/quote]The article says that El-Abd missed the game, it says nothing about him not being fit. Suggest you read it again. VegasSeagull

10:03pm Sat 1 Dec 12

There are seagulls in Islamabad says...

bottom line. it is chavy to critizise the team, manager and players. UTA....! in it together. full stop.
bottom line. it is chavy to critizise the team, manager and players. UTA....! in it together. full stop. There are seagulls in Islamabad

10:26pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Gazza by the sea says...

Hmmm. So what did I learn today?...

1. Murray is truly a class act.
2. Without our first choice back four we are not promotion contenders.
3. CMS works tirelessly and does everything at 100mph. If we are only going to play one striker (which seems a given) then we could do with someone with more composure and guile.
4. We have some great workhorses- Hammond, Barnes, Crofts - and probably CMS. If we insist on playing more than one of them at a time we are likely to look more like a Micky Adams team than a Gus Poyet one.
5. Orlandi is a wonderfully gifted footballer - oozing composure and guile. And now he's injured. Along with our other King of Guile - Vicente. And our only other clever midfielder is on loan at Oxford. I shall batten down the hatches of my optimism for a few weeks until one or more of them re-appears.
6. Selhurst Park truly is a miserable place and I may well not summon up the enthusiasm to go there again.

And one thing I haven't learned today - Hoskins was the best striker pre-season by a mile and has looked great in his all too brief cameos since getting back from injury. I haven't learned why he can't get in the team.

Biggest negative of the day - by a mile - Orlandi's injury. We cannot play Gus's way without a major dose of midfield guile.
Hmmm. So what did I learn today?... 1. Murray is truly a class act. 2. Without our first choice back four we are not promotion contenders. 3. CMS works tirelessly and does everything at 100mph. If we are only going to play one striker (which seems a given) then we could do with someone with more composure and guile. 4. We have some great workhorses- Hammond, Barnes, Crofts - and probably CMS. If we insist on playing more than one of them at a time we are likely to look more like a Micky Adams team than a Gus Poyet one. 5. Orlandi is a wonderfully gifted footballer - oozing composure and guile. And now he's injured. Along with our other King of Guile - Vicente. And our only other clever midfielder is on loan at Oxford. I shall batten down the hatches of my optimism for a few weeks until one or more of them re-appears. 6. Selhurst Park truly is a miserable place and I may well not summon up the enthusiasm to go there again. And one thing I haven't learned today - Hoskins was the best striker pre-season by a mile and has looked great in his all too brief cameos since getting back from injury. I haven't learned why he can't get in the team. Biggest negative of the day - by a mile - Orlandi's injury. We cannot play Gus's way without a major dose of midfield guile. Gazza by the sea

10:27pm Sat 1 Dec 12

tug509 says...

Any one who claims that after 5 mins, 11 v 10,which is basically the entire game,away,is a fair judge of the two teams,is a moron that probably needs help to tie his own straight jacket.
I hate making ref calls ,but this nob,should just of put on one of their shirts,and saved us a lot of time and effort.
.UTA
Any one who claims that after 5 mins, 11 v 10,which is basically the entire game,away,is a fair judge of the two teams,is a moron that probably needs help to tie his own straight jacket. I hate making ref calls ,but this nob,should just of put on one of their shirts,and saved us a lot of time and effort. .UTA tug509

11:01pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Baldseagull says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Gus said on Wednesday that Bridge was available (not may be, no ifs or buts) for Saturday.

This is true. Why bother saying it if it's rubbish? Does he think it will change Holloway's tactics. Calderon, a right-sided player at left back, really worked the trick, didn't it? I wish Gus would stop thinking he's the second coming of the Tinkerman and cease making needless changes every game. Some of the players don't know whether they're coming or going, although nobody seems to want to leave the club these days. Money is too good.
If Bridge and Painter were both unfit, I wouldn't call it needless tinkering to put Calde in at left back.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Gus said on Wednesday that Bridge was available (not may be, no ifs or buts) for Saturday. This is true. Why bother saying it if it's rubbish? Does he think it will change Holloway's tactics. Calderon, a right-sided player at left back, really worked the trick, didn't it? I wish Gus would stop thinking he's the second coming of the Tinkerman and cease making needless changes every game. Some of the players don't know whether they're coming or going, although nobody seems to want to leave the club these days. Money is too good.[/p][/quote]If Bridge and Painter were both unfit, I wouldn't call it needless tinkering to put Calde in at left back. Baldseagull

11:11pm Sat 1 Dec 12

brightonup says...

sussexram40 wrote:
brightonup wrote:
sussexram40 wrote: Oh dear. No improvement from last season at all if you compare the matches played / points tally. GP should be taking the club forward, not stagnating it. I sense faith and trust in GP is eroding..
Wrong again.
No, right. I checked the results. After 20 games last season we had 32 points. This season after 20 games we have 31 points. That's a worse return than last season at the same stage.
No - the part that is wrong is your sense that faith and trust in GP eroding.

But then you are a WUM - aren't you.....
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brightonup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Oh dear. No improvement from last season at all if you compare the matches played / points tally. GP should be taking the club forward, not stagnating it. I sense faith and trust in GP is eroding..[/p][/quote]Wrong again.[/p][/quote]No, right. I checked the results. After 20 games last season we had 32 points. This season after 20 games we have 31 points. That's a worse return than last season at the same stage.[/p][/quote]No - the part that is wrong is your sense that faith and trust in GP eroding. But then you are a WUM - aren't you..... brightonup

11:25pm Sat 1 Dec 12

Tiger Shark says...

Totally outplayed by Palace today, they made us look Division 1 and we have a long way to go to reach their standards, but Gus is an idiot with a mouth that tarnishes our reputation, I'm sick of the excuses and his hints that we are his play thing until he finds a bigger club. I've said it before and I'll say it again, GET RID!!!!!
Totally outplayed by Palace today, they made us look Division 1 and we have a long way to go to reach their standards, but Gus is an idiot with a mouth that tarnishes our reputation, I'm sick of the excuses and his hints that we are his play thing until he finds a bigger club. I've said it before and I'll say it again, GET RID!!!!! Tiger Shark

12:16am Sun 2 Dec 12

StevieD says...

Time to dump Dunk, so much promise but a hot head that doesn't learn. Last time we will see him hopefully. Cost the seagulls the chance of a result, although Palace sadly at the moment are a better more organised and balanced side. Step forward to Mr Di Matteo and a new system, the other has run out of ideas!
Time to dump Dunk, so much promise but a hot head that doesn't learn. Last time we will see him hopefully. Cost the seagulls the chance of a result, although Palace sadly at the moment are a better more organised and balanced side. Step forward to Mr Di Matteo and a new system, the other has run out of ideas! StevieD

6:11am Sun 2 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

We are all pretty fed up after yesterday's game,
Where we are lacking is common sense with the squad, we sold noone, we have Buckley and lua lua,
We sold two central defenders to Bournemouth and one left to go to spurs, we have one out on loan in vincelot ..... Why has Gus not recalled him Thursday? Cover for left back or centre back?
Gus moaned about only having 5 on the bench last season, saying young lads like Forster caskey won't develope..... But now it's 7 on the bench where are these youth players now?
My basic point in all this is
1) Gus put your hands up when YOU get it wrong.
2) sign a central defender and the striker who can hold the ball up!
That was what you said pre season,
We are a better side than last season, however picking favourites ie Barnes, when players like noone flourish when played week in week out,
Was elabd injured or not? If so why was vincelot not recalled? Gus stated when he left , he was not out of his thoughts? Get him back ASAP or who is playing next week?
We are all pretty fed up after yesterday's game, Where we are lacking is common sense with the squad, we sold noone, we have Buckley and lua lua, We sold two central defenders to Bournemouth and one left to go to spurs, we have one out on loan in vincelot ..... Why has Gus not recalled him Thursday? Cover for left back or centre back? Gus moaned about only having 5 on the bench last season, saying young lads like Forster caskey won't develope..... But now it's 7 on the bench where are these youth players now? My basic point in all this is 1) Gus put your hands up when YOU get it wrong. 2) sign a central defender and the striker who can hold the ball up! That was what you said pre season, We are a better side than last season, however picking favourites ie Barnes, when players like noone flourish when played week in week out, Was elabd injured or not? If so why was vincelot not recalled? Gus stated when he left , he was not out of his thoughts? Get him back ASAP or who is playing next week? mark by the sea

6:26am Sun 2 Dec 12

Jonathan Mouette says...

(or, put another way, I am totally lost for words. Pathetic Gus, totally pathetic.)
(or, put another way, I am totally lost for words. Pathetic Gus, totally pathetic.) Jonathan Mouette

6:33am Sun 2 Dec 12

Jonathan Mouette says...

fratsomrover wrote:
For me the key moment was when I heard the team he'd picked. Not in the least surprised by the result after hearing that starting 11. Cant understand picking Dunk. He and Barnes have the worst ball control in the division. If you are going to play the ball around the back line, you cant pick Dunk. The game was over as soon as he lost that ball. Why bring back Barnes and CMS ? Surely we all know they are a toothless combination by now. Lightweight and limited. Why drop Hoskins and the experienced Dobbie ? Palace outplayed us. with 2 attacking wingers and a class centre forward they always threatened. Bruno was well and truly exposed and displayed many defensive frailties. Quite worrying and very disappointing. We are not going to make the play-offs on this form and Gus's limitations are beginning to show. A bad day !!
Why bother to type when FratsomRover has said it all. I said before the game that I wasn't sure if I were confused or disgusted by the team selection. As usual I was pilloried by the usual apologists. It appears you cannot support a team unless you give undivided and unquestioning loyalty to the leader. Oh dear, what a shame. Read again what Fratsom has written. Every word is true.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: For me the key moment was when I heard the team he'd picked. Not in the least surprised by the result after hearing that starting 11. Cant understand picking Dunk. He and Barnes have the worst ball control in the division. If you are going to play the ball around the back line, you cant pick Dunk. The game was over as soon as he lost that ball. Why bring back Barnes and CMS ? Surely we all know they are a toothless combination by now. Lightweight and limited. Why drop Hoskins and the experienced Dobbie ? Palace outplayed us. with 2 attacking wingers and a class centre forward they always threatened. Bruno was well and truly exposed and displayed many defensive frailties. Quite worrying and very disappointing. We are not going to make the play-offs on this form and Gus's limitations are beginning to show. A bad day !![/p][/quote]Why bother to type when FratsomRover has said it all. I said before the game that I wasn't sure if I were confused or disgusted by the team selection. As usual I was pilloried by the usual apologists. It appears you cannot support a team unless you give undivided and unquestioning loyalty to the leader. Oh dear, what a shame. Read again what Fratsom has written. Every word is true. Jonathan Mouette

9:29am Sun 2 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Seagulls page says painter out for 3 weeks, surely vincelot must return.
Seagulls page says painter out for 3 weeks, surely vincelot must return. mark by the sea

9:32am Sun 2 Dec 12

markdavids says...

You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.
You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off. markdavids

9:40am Sun 2 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

markdavids wrote:
You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.
You can judge a player who can't control a football with his left foot. Step forward Dunk, just watched the horror show on highlights, the itv show made us look really poor, yesterday I thought we were a little unlucky, but we can't put the ball in the net when it matters and dunk can't be trusted ..
[quote][p][bold]markdavids[/bold] wrote: You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.[/p][/quote]You can judge a player who can't control a football with his left foot. Step forward Dunk, just watched the horror show on highlights, the itv show made us look really poor, yesterday I thought we were a little unlucky, but we can't put the ball in the net when it matters and dunk can't be trusted .. mark by the sea

10:31am Sun 2 Dec 12

Hove Actually says...

All these comments about 10 v 11 are right but still wrong. At some time every team is going to play on either side of 10 or 11 and what was clear is we didn't manage it well, the only positive is we didn't lose by more.
All these comments about 10 v 11 are right but still wrong. At some time every team is going to play on either side of 10 or 11 and what was clear is we didn't manage it well, the only positive is we didn't lose by more. Hove Actually

11:24am Sun 2 Dec 12

john newman says...

Players are not good enough but who bought them! Team selection yesterday a disaster! A drubbing yesterday and one that should not be forgotten by those who pay the bills. Roll oll on January
Players are not good enough but who bought them! Team selection yesterday a disaster! A drubbing yesterday and one that should not be forgotten by those who pay the bills. Roll oll on January john newman

11:28am Sun 2 Dec 12

Neillo says...

Some of the players are not good enough to play the type of football that Poyet advocates. Dunk's lack of control led to his red card. After that it was only a question of how long Palace could be denied.

The penalties were both the result of defenders tiring and losing their discipline. The first may have been a soft award but no doubting the second and that was not the first time during the game that Murray was blatantly pushed in the penalty area.

The better teams in the Championship of which Palace are undoubtably one, now know what to expect when playing against a GP team, and how to exploit them.

Doesn't look like GP has a ' Plan B' does it ?....
Some of the players are not good enough to play the type of football that Poyet advocates. Dunk's lack of control led to his red card. After that it was only a question of how long Palace could be denied. The penalties were both the result of defenders tiring and losing their discipline. The first may have been a soft award but no doubting the second and that was not the first time during the game that Murray was blatantly pushed in the penalty area. The better teams in the Championship of which Palace are undoubtably one, now know what to expect when playing against a GP team, and how to exploit them. Doesn't look like GP has a ' Plan B' does it ?.... Neillo

11:38am Sun 2 Dec 12

The Phantom says...

mark by the sea wrote:
markdavids wrote:
You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.
You can judge a player who can't control a football with his left foot. Step forward Dunk, just watched the horror show on highlights, the itv show made us look really poor, yesterday I thought we were a little unlucky, but we can't put the ball in the net when it matters and dunk can't be trusted ..
Just a few thoughts on yesterday.....the highlights on BBC (maybe you watching the FA Cup round up on ITV?) were very good in spite of the result. For those castigating Dunk - bad error from a young and normally excellent centre back. It happens - because we play it around at the back, it was always going to happen at some point, just a shame about the timing. Might have got away with a yellow on some days as Kuszczak was getting to the ball first. Fair play to the referee though for not bottling the decision so early on. The two penalties were correct decisions although some doubt about offside in the lead up to the first one. Poor challenge by Greer for the second one. Despite their numerical superiority, Palace did not have loads of chances and Brighton deserve some credit defensively for keeping the score down. Aside from Murray's header over the bar, the two best chances in the game were Barnes' and CMS's before and after half time - both should have scored. And as for those moaning about Gus making excuses and saying that we should get rid - what do you expect him to say at a press conference after a 3-0 defeat. He talked matter of factly about the game and that there were vital moments in the game. He had no complaints about the sending off or the award of the penalties against Kuszczak and Greer. If he failed to attend the press conference or slaughtered the referee, it would be fair enough but his comments were considered and fair. Just a week ago, there were people on here commenting on the fantastic standard of the football played against Bolton - some of the best I have seen by an Albion team. Since then we have beaten Bristol City. Nothing went right for the team yesterday in all respects (the injuries being the biggest on-going concern). As for centre half cover, I would imagine that Gus will be happy enough with Greer, Calderon, Hammond and hopefully El-Abd before Dunk comes back the following week. Teams do go through injury crises - seem to remember Manchester United with Carrick and Fletcher in their back four a couple of years back. The versatile players will come to the fore in these circumstances - what sort of quality of player do you think you will get as fourth choice centre back? Normally somebody young and inexperienced or an older player who is no longer good enough. Elphick (seem to recall you never being a fan) and Cook have both left to play at a lower level and Hall who chose to further his career at Tottenham (one friendly appearance against Kingstonian). Brighton are two points outside the Championship play offs and have just lost their first game in 8 - don't think we are doing too badly.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markdavids[/bold] wrote: You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.[/p][/quote]You can judge a player who can't control a football with his left foot. Step forward Dunk, just watched the horror show on highlights, the itv show made us look really poor, yesterday I thought we were a little unlucky, but we can't put the ball in the net when it matters and dunk can't be trusted ..[/p][/quote]Just a few thoughts on yesterday.....the highlights on BBC (maybe you watching the FA Cup round up on ITV?) were very good in spite of the result. For those castigating Dunk - bad error from a young and normally excellent centre back. It happens - because we play it around at the back, it was always going to happen at some point, just a shame about the timing. Might have got away with a yellow on some days as Kuszczak was getting to the ball first. Fair play to the referee though for not bottling the decision so early on. The two penalties were correct decisions although some doubt about offside in the lead up to the first one. Poor challenge by Greer for the second one. Despite their numerical superiority, Palace did not have loads of chances and Brighton deserve some credit defensively for keeping the score down. Aside from Murray's header over the bar, the two best chances in the game were Barnes' and CMS's before and after half time - both should have scored. And as for those moaning about Gus making excuses and saying that we should get rid - what do you expect him to say at a press conference after a 3-0 defeat. He talked matter of factly about the game and that there were vital moments in the game. He had no complaints about the sending off or the award of the penalties against Kuszczak and Greer. If he failed to attend the press conference or slaughtered the referee, it would be fair enough but his comments were considered and fair. Just a week ago, there were people on here commenting on the fantastic standard of the football played against Bolton - some of the best I have seen by an Albion team. Since then we have beaten Bristol City. Nothing went right for the team yesterday in all respects (the injuries being the biggest on-going concern). As for centre half cover, I would imagine that Gus will be happy enough with Greer, Calderon, Hammond and hopefully El-Abd before Dunk comes back the following week. Teams do go through injury crises - seem to remember Manchester United with Carrick and Fletcher in their back four a couple of years back. The versatile players will come to the fore in these circumstances - what sort of quality of player do you think you will get as fourth choice centre back? Normally somebody young and inexperienced or an older player who is no longer good enough. Elphick (seem to recall you never being a fan) and Cook have both left to play at a lower level and Hall who chose to further his career at Tottenham (one friendly appearance against Kingstonian). Brighton are two points outside the Championship play offs and have just lost their first game in 8 - don't think we are doing too badly. The Phantom

11:55am Sun 2 Dec 12

pjwilk says...

Credit to Palace they were a much better all round team,we would not have won with 11 out pitch players,we are no better than last season.Seems to be a lack of motivation we never play as a solid determined team,we have too many passengers.
Credit to Palace they were a much better all round team,we would not have won with 11 out pitch players,we are no better than last season.Seems to be a lack of motivation we never play as a solid determined team,we have too many passengers. pjwilk

11:58am Sun 2 Dec 12

Jonathan Mouette says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Seagulls page says painter out for 3 weeks, surely vincelot must return.
With the injury list as it is his return is surely a no brainer - but then again, given recent decisions who knows. And of course the injury list could be as ficticious as the strongest team we have scheduled to appear on Saturday - that was announced just 2 or 3 days before the game. Ha! Anyway RV has now been cup-tied at Gillingham so I guess that will be yet another nail in his coffin. Oh well... Notice that I don't bother crossing fingers anymore... another waste of time.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: Seagulls page says painter out for 3 weeks, surely vincelot must return.[/p][/quote]With the injury list as it is his return is surely a no brainer - but then again, given recent decisions who knows. And of course the injury list could be as ficticious as the strongest team we have scheduled to appear on Saturday - that was announced just 2 or 3 days before the game. Ha! Anyway RV has now been cup-tied at Gillingham so I guess that will be yet another nail in his coffin. Oh well... Notice that I don't bother crossing fingers anymore... another waste of time. Jonathan Mouette

12:08pm Sun 2 Dec 12

lewis_ms says...

We are not going to improve unless/until Gus realises that we cannot pack the team with holding midfield players. I can but hope that the Orlandi (who has been excellent in the last few games) injury leads to a recall for Gary Dicker who seems to have been forgotten by just about everybody. O.K. I know he doesn't score very often but he has the composure and passing ability that is so glaringly missing at the moment. It is no co-incidence that our dip in form after a promising start coincides with Gary not playing. This is exactly the same as last season (when he was out injured). I bet that if you look at the stats we have won many more matches when Gary has played than without him. Crofts and Hammond are too much alike and shouldn't play in the same team in addition to the outstanding Liam Bridcutt.
Come on Gus please recall Gary Dicker for Charlton.
We are not going to improve unless/until Gus realises that we cannot pack the team with holding midfield players. I can but hope that the Orlandi (who has been excellent in the last few games) injury leads to a recall for Gary Dicker who seems to have been forgotten by just about everybody. O.K. I know he doesn't score very often but he has the composure and passing ability that is so glaringly missing at the moment. It is no co-incidence that our dip in form after a promising start coincides with Gary not playing. This is exactly the same as last season (when he was out injured). I bet that if you look at the stats we have won many more matches when Gary has played than without him. Crofts and Hammond are too much alike and shouldn't play in the same team in addition to the outstanding Liam Bridcutt. Come on Gus please recall Gary Dicker for Charlton. lewis_ms

12:34pm Sun 2 Dec 12

REALAlbionSUPPORTER! says...

lewis_ms wrote:
We are not going to improve unless/until Gus realises that we cannot pack the team with holding midfield players. I can but hope that the Orlandi (who has been excellent in the last few games) injury leads to a recall for Gary Dicker who seems to have been forgotten by just about everybody. O.K. I know he doesn't score very often but he has the composure and passing ability that is so glaringly missing at the moment. It is no co-incidence that our dip in form after a promising start coincides with Gary not playing. This is exactly the same as last season (when he was out injured). I bet that if you look at the stats we have won many more matches when Gary has played than without him. Crofts and Hammond are too much alike and shouldn't play in the same team in addition to the outstanding Liam Bridcutt.
Come on Gus please recall Gary Dicker for Charlton.
Agreed.
[quote][p][bold]lewis_ms[/bold] wrote: We are not going to improve unless/until Gus realises that we cannot pack the team with holding midfield players. I can but hope that the Orlandi (who has been excellent in the last few games) injury leads to a recall for Gary Dicker who seems to have been forgotten by just about everybody. O.K. I know he doesn't score very often but he has the composure and passing ability that is so glaringly missing at the moment. It is no co-incidence that our dip in form after a promising start coincides with Gary not playing. This is exactly the same as last season (when he was out injured). I bet that if you look at the stats we have won many more matches when Gary has played than without him. Crofts and Hammond are too much alike and shouldn't play in the same team in addition to the outstanding Liam Bridcutt. Come on Gus please recall Gary Dicker for Charlton.[/p][/quote]Agreed. REALAlbionSUPPORTER!

12:45pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Hovite says...

The Phantom wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
markdavids wrote:
You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.
You can judge a player who can't control a football with his left foot. Step forward Dunk, just watched the horror show on highlights, the itv show made us look really poor, yesterday I thought we were a little unlucky, but we can't put the ball in the net when it matters and dunk can't be trusted ..
Just a few thoughts on yesterday.....the highlights on BBC (maybe you watching the FA Cup round up on ITV?) were very good in spite of the result. For those castigating Dunk - bad error from a young and normally excellent centre back. It happens - because we play it around at the back, it was always going to happen at some point, just a shame about the timing. Might have got away with a yellow on some days as Kuszczak was getting to the ball first. Fair play to the referee though for not bottling the decision so early on. The two penalties were correct decisions although some doubt about offside in the lead up to the first one. Poor challenge by Greer for the second one. Despite their numerical superiority, Palace did not have loads of chances and Brighton deserve some credit defensively for keeping the score down. Aside from Murray's header over the bar, the two best chances in the game were Barnes' and CMS's before and after half time - both should have scored. And as for those moaning about Gus making excuses and saying that we should get rid - what do you expect him to say at a press conference after a 3-0 defeat. He talked matter of factly about the game and that there were vital moments in the game. He had no complaints about the sending off or the award of the penalties against Kuszczak and Greer. If he failed to attend the press conference or slaughtered the referee, it would be fair enough but his comments were considered and fair. Just a week ago, there were people on here commenting on the fantastic standard of the football played against Bolton - some of the best I have seen by an Albion team. Since then we have beaten Bristol City. Nothing went right for the team yesterday in all respects (the injuries being the biggest on-going concern). As for centre half cover, I would imagine that Gus will be happy enough with Greer, Calderon, Hammond and hopefully El-Abd before Dunk comes back the following week. Teams do go through injury crises - seem to remember Manchester United with Carrick and Fletcher in their back four a couple of years back. The versatile players will come to the fore in these circumstances - what sort of quality of player do you think you will get as fourth choice centre back? Normally somebody young and inexperienced or an older player who is no longer good enough. Elphick (seem to recall you never being a fan) and Cook have both left to play at a lower level and Hall who chose to further his career at Tottenham (one friendly appearance against Kingstonian). Brighton are two points outside the Championship play offs and have just lost their first game in 8 - don't think we are doing too badly.
Nicely said TP.

I'm trying to steer clear of commenting on here, but when someone goes to the length of writing an in depth rational post in response of knee jerk reactions and wums mixed in together, I have to give them the big thumbs up.
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markdavids[/bold] wrote: You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.[/p][/quote]You can judge a player who can't control a football with his left foot. Step forward Dunk, just watched the horror show on highlights, the itv show made us look really poor, yesterday I thought we were a little unlucky, but we can't put the ball in the net when it matters and dunk can't be trusted ..[/p][/quote]Just a few thoughts on yesterday.....the highlights on BBC (maybe you watching the FA Cup round up on ITV?) were very good in spite of the result. For those castigating Dunk - bad error from a young and normally excellent centre back. It happens - because we play it around at the back, it was always going to happen at some point, just a shame about the timing. Might have got away with a yellow on some days as Kuszczak was getting to the ball first. Fair play to the referee though for not bottling the decision so early on. The two penalties were correct decisions although some doubt about offside in the lead up to the first one. Poor challenge by Greer for the second one. Despite their numerical superiority, Palace did not have loads of chances and Brighton deserve some credit defensively for keeping the score down. Aside from Murray's header over the bar, the two best chances in the game were Barnes' and CMS's before and after half time - both should have scored. And as for those moaning about Gus making excuses and saying that we should get rid - what do you expect him to say at a press conference after a 3-0 defeat. He talked matter of factly about the game and that there were vital moments in the game. He had no complaints about the sending off or the award of the penalties against Kuszczak and Greer. If he failed to attend the press conference or slaughtered the referee, it would be fair enough but his comments were considered and fair. Just a week ago, there were people on here commenting on the fantastic standard of the football played against Bolton - some of the best I have seen by an Albion team. Since then we have beaten Bristol City. Nothing went right for the team yesterday in all respects (the injuries being the biggest on-going concern). As for centre half cover, I would imagine that Gus will be happy enough with Greer, Calderon, Hammond and hopefully El-Abd before Dunk comes back the following week. Teams do go through injury crises - seem to remember Manchester United with Carrick and Fletcher in their back four a couple of years back. The versatile players will come to the fore in these circumstances - what sort of quality of player do you think you will get as fourth choice centre back? Normally somebody young and inexperienced or an older player who is no longer good enough. Elphick (seem to recall you never being a fan) and Cook have both left to play at a lower level and Hall who chose to further his career at Tottenham (one friendly appearance against Kingstonian). Brighton are two points outside the Championship play offs and have just lost their first game in 8 - don't think we are doing too badly.[/p][/quote]Nicely said TP. I'm trying to steer clear of commenting on here, but when someone goes to the length of writing an in depth rational post in response of knee jerk reactions and wums mixed in together, I have to give them the big thumbs up. Hovite

1:00pm Sun 2 Dec 12

dave from bexill says...

I watched the game yesterday on the large screen in the East Stand.The club did us all proud and looking across to the west side of the stadium was a great reminder of how far our club has come; it looked magnifico, especially with the new seating added in the south west corner...fantastic. Pity about the game though as everyone has commented already. We'll never know of course what might have been because of Dunks lack of concentration and poor control, which led to the foul and subsequent sending off. Orlandi's injury was just as significant in other ways as well, because he is fast becoming a really important player for the club with his passing ability and reading of situations. Hope he gets strapped up and is able to get back very soon.
Once he was forced off, any balance and shape to the team was gone, although Barnes (what a diabolical header that was) and CMS missed chances, Barnes's pass to his credit, ( don't find it easy saying that), through for CMS to run on to was the best bit football in the match in my view.
Palace responded really well to the sending off and both their wingers and Garvan and GM had excellent games. Interesting how GM chose not to take the second penalty, was this out of respect for his former employers? After all, how many players give up the chance of a hat trick when a penalty's on offer?
I've said how well the club did with the beam back and perhaps they'll consider it again sometime, but the commentary was the worst I've ever had the misfortune to listen to. The guy who was obviously a Palace fan was horrendous to the point where some were asking for the commentary to be turned off. Perhaps in future the Albion can arrange for dubbed commentary.
I like to put it all down to a vey bad day at the office, but would add that Albion continue to be a work in progress and I totally agree with Gus when he says that although we all want it, the club this season is not quite ready for another step up. UTA
I watched the game yesterday on the large screen in the East Stand.The club did us all proud and looking across to the west side of the stadium was a great reminder of how far our club has come; it looked magnifico, especially with the new seating added in the south west corner...fantastic. Pity about the game though as everyone has commented already. We'll never know of course what might have been because of Dunks lack of concentration and poor control, which led to the foul and subsequent sending off. Orlandi's injury was just as significant in other ways as well, because he is fast becoming a really important player for the club with his passing ability and reading of situations. Hope he gets strapped up and is able to get back very soon. Once he was forced off, any balance and shape to the team was gone, although Barnes (what a diabolical header that was) and CMS missed chances, Barnes's pass to his credit, ( don't find it easy saying that), through for CMS to run on to was the best bit football in the match in my view. Palace responded really well to the sending off and both their wingers and Garvan and GM had excellent games. Interesting how GM chose not to take the second penalty, was this out of respect for his former employers? After all, how many players give up the chance of a hat trick when a penalty's on offer? I've said how well the club did with the beam back and perhaps they'll consider it again sometime, but the commentary was the worst I've ever had the misfortune to listen to. The guy who was obviously a Palace fan was horrendous to the point where some were asking for the commentary to be turned off. Perhaps in future the Albion can arrange for dubbed commentary. I like to put it all down to a vey bad day at the office, but would add that Albion continue to be a work in progress and I totally agree with Gus when he says that although we all want it, the club this season is not quite ready for another step up. UTA dave from bexill

1:14pm Sun 2 Dec 12

seagulltess says...

Sorry to say but I think it is time for Mackail Smith to be replaced. Yes he runs his socks off for the cause but is missing so many chances it is becoming annoying. Also the injury situation is a joke; players fit to play then for no reason they do not play or even on the bench; what is going on at the club. We are supposed to have one of the best medical men in europe and yet players are still not fit. With Dunk in the team we will always struggle as he is a liability; far to casual on the ball and continues to give the ball away in dangerous situations. El Ab has to play as he is the best defender in the club. Bridge fit to play yesterday and does not even make the bench; please Gus be honest with us as to many are now losing faith in you. Yes we are playing some great football at times but it is the uncertainty of players fitness and availability that is annoying; and the constant team changes when not needed. Once again Hoskins gets left out; we are puzzled as to why he does not get a run when he is a so much better player than Mackail Smith.
Sorry to say but I think it is time for Mackail Smith to be replaced. Yes he runs his socks off for the cause but is missing so many chances it is becoming annoying. Also the injury situation is a joke; players fit to play then for no reason they do not play or even on the bench; what is going on at the club. We are supposed to have one of the best medical men in europe and yet players are still not fit. With Dunk in the team we will always struggle as he is a liability; far to casual on the ball and continues to give the ball away in dangerous situations. El Ab has to play as he is the best defender in the club. Bridge fit to play yesterday and does not even make the bench; please Gus be honest with us as to many are now losing faith in you. Yes we are playing some great football at times but it is the uncertainty of players fitness and availability that is annoying; and the constant team changes when not needed. Once again Hoskins gets left out; we are puzzled as to why he does not get a run when he is a so much better player than Mackail Smith. seagulltess

2:08pm Sun 2 Dec 12

South West Seagull says...

Quote from Holloway "Our professionalism was summed up by Glenn giving up the second penalty even though he could have had a hat-trick. He is a superb player, really up there with the very best."

“He knew he’d missed some penalties recently and so he gave it up. It shows his professionalism and how we are as a team.”

Great....and don't be under any illusions that even if it had been 11 versus 11 yesterday they would have still played us off the park. They looked better than us in every position and as a team. I hate to write that but it's the truth.

Personally, I'm starting to lose faith in Gus Poyet - and not just because of what happened yersterday. Too many poor decisions in his transfer dealings, team selection, tactics and the rubbish that comes out of his mouth - especially when things don't go our way. Let's be fair, he's had more financial support than any other Albion manager before him and like any manager he'll be judged - rightly or wrongly - on how he's spent that money on transfers, wages etc and which players he's let go or brought in - and how this translates into success or otherwise. Tony Bloom is no fool and knows this the same as the rest of us.
Quote from Holloway "Our professionalism was summed up by Glenn giving up the second penalty even though he could have had a hat-trick. He is a superb player, really up there with the very best." “He knew he’d missed some penalties recently and so he gave it up. It shows his professionalism and how we are as a team.” Great....and don't be under any illusions that even if it had been 11 versus 11 yesterday they would have still played us off the park. They looked better than us in every position and as a team. I hate to write that but it's the truth. Personally, I'm starting to lose faith in Gus Poyet - and not just because of what happened yersterday. Too many poor decisions in his transfer dealings, team selection, tactics and the rubbish that comes out of his mouth - especially when things don't go our way. Let's be fair, he's had more financial support than any other Albion manager before him and like any manager he'll be judged - rightly or wrongly - on how he's spent that money on transfers, wages etc and which players he's let go or brought in - and how this translates into success or otherwise. Tony Bloom is no fool and knows this the same as the rest of us. South West Seagull

2:10pm Sun 2 Dec 12

paul the hill says...

Just tell Vicente he is playing next Saturday if says no fit then tell him to go. Bring back sparrow, barker jfc vincelot and Dickinson due to injuries and promote sol march to senior team as left back if bridge painter are not fit.
Meanwhile fa cup winger ajala for Wimbledon looks quite useful could be useful alternative if Lualua does not get his game together soon.
Burnley 0 blackburn 1 Rhodes again we are still 8th.
We will beat Charlton 3 nil if play 3 upfront - cms hoskins Dobbie
Seagulls!!!!
Just tell Vicente he is playing next Saturday if says no fit then tell him to go. Bring back sparrow, barker jfc vincelot and Dickinson due to injuries and promote sol march to senior team as left back if bridge painter are not fit. Meanwhile fa cup winger ajala for Wimbledon looks quite useful could be useful alternative if Lualua does not get his game together soon. Burnley 0 blackburn 1 Rhodes again we are still 8th. We will beat Charlton 3 nil if play 3 upfront - cms hoskins Dobbie Seagulls!!!! paul the hill

2:11pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Godstone Gull says...

Bit of a mistake to give palace a numerical advantage this year, most years we would beat them with 10 men but the luck is running with them this season.
Lets hope for a proper London Club in the FA cup draw that justifies putting out 11 players.
Bit of a mistake to give palace a numerical advantage this year, most years we would beat them with 10 men but the luck is running with them this season. Lets hope for a proper London Club in the FA cup draw that justifies putting out 11 players. Godstone Gull

2:14pm Sun 2 Dec 12

tinker111 says...

tug509 wrote:
Carter_Cooldancer wrote:
I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly.

Selhurst is a dump BTW.
WE ARE NOT WORTHY.

A perfect description of the game,quality mate,nuff said....UTA
What was the score TUG???? yes from an Albion supporter for many years than you am sure but dont have my head up backside when it comes to facts
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carter_Cooldancer[/bold] wrote: I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly. Selhurst is a dump BTW.[/p][/quote]WE ARE NOT WORTHY. A perfect description of the game,quality mate,nuff said....UTA[/p][/quote]What was the score TUG???? yes from an Albion supporter for many years than you am sure but dont have my head up backside when it comes to facts tinker111

2:17pm Sun 2 Dec 12

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

I see Ray Wilkins is punting Gus to be brought in as manager at Chelsea.
At least someone recognizes the worth of our manager.
Some fans on here have no clue how lucky we are to have him.
I see Ray Wilkins is punting Gus to be brought in as manager at Chelsea. At least someone recognizes the worth of our manager. Some fans on here have no clue how lucky we are to have him. PressBoxTeaBoy

2:28pm Sun 2 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

The Phantom wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
markdavids wrote:
You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.
You can judge a player who can't control a football with his left foot. Step forward Dunk, just watched the horror show on highlights, the itv show made us look really poor, yesterday I thought we were a little unlucky, but we can't put the ball in the net when it matters and dunk can't be trusted ..
Just a few thoughts on yesterday.....the highlights on BBC (maybe you watching the FA Cup round up on ITV?) were very good in spite of the result. For those castigating Dunk - bad error from a young and normally excellent centre back. It happens - because we play it around at the back, it was always going to happen at some point, just a shame about the timing. Might have got away with a yellow on some days as Kuszczak was getting to the ball first. Fair play to the referee though for not bottling the decision so early on. The two penalties were correct decisions although some doubt about offside in the lead up to the first one. Poor challenge by Greer for the second one. Despite their numerical superiority, Palace did not have loads of chances and Brighton deserve some credit defensively for keeping the score down. Aside from Murray's header over the bar, the two best chances in the game were Barnes' and CMS's before and after half time - both should have scored. And as for those moaning about Gus making excuses and saying that we should get rid - what do you expect him to say at a press conference after a 3-0 defeat. He talked matter of factly about the game and that there were vital moments in the game. He had no complaints about the sending off or the award of the penalties against Kuszczak and Greer. If he failed to attend the press conference or slaughtered the referee, it would be fair enough but his comments were considered and fair. Just a week ago, there were people on here commenting on the fantastic standard of the football played against Bolton - some of the best I have seen by an Albion team. Since then we have beaten Bristol City. Nothing went right for the team yesterday in all respects (the injuries being the biggest on-going concern). As for centre half cover, I would imagine that Gus will be happy enough with Greer, Calderon, Hammond and hopefully El-Abd before Dunk comes back the following week. Teams do go through injury crises - seem to remember Manchester United with Carrick and Fletcher in their back four a couple of years back. The versatile players will come to the fore in these circumstances - what sort of quality of player do you think you will get as fourth choice centre back? Normally somebody young and inexperienced or an older player who is no longer good enough. Elphick (seem to recall you never being a fan) and Cook have both left to play at a lower level and Hall who chose to further his career at Tottenham (one friendly appearance against Kingstonian). Brighton are two points outside the Championship play offs and have just lost their first game in 8 - don't think we are doing too badly.
I am not a fan of ELphick , but we have lost 3 centre backs in last few months, and three is not going to be enough, Gus stated he wanted another one in pre season, Murray had a decent game considering he never trained all week and was in bed till Thursday . Glen Murray would come back here tomo if Gus would accept he got him wrong, his reaction at the Amex and yesterday clearly shows he has a soft spot for the club.
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markdavids[/bold] wrote: You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.[/p][/quote]You can judge a player who can't control a football with his left foot. Step forward Dunk, just watched the horror show on highlights, the itv show made us look really poor, yesterday I thought we were a little unlucky, but we can't put the ball in the net when it matters and dunk can't be trusted ..[/p][/quote]Just a few thoughts on yesterday.....the highlights on BBC (maybe you watching the FA Cup round up on ITV?) were very good in spite of the result. For those castigating Dunk - bad error from a young and normally excellent centre back. It happens - because we play it around at the back, it was always going to happen at some point, just a shame about the timing. Might have got away with a yellow on some days as Kuszczak was getting to the ball first. Fair play to the referee though for not bottling the decision so early on. The two penalties were correct decisions although some doubt about offside in the lead up to the first one. Poor challenge by Greer for the second one. Despite their numerical superiority, Palace did not have loads of chances and Brighton deserve some credit defensively for keeping the score down. Aside from Murray's header over the bar, the two best chances in the game were Barnes' and CMS's before and after half time - both should have scored. And as for those moaning about Gus making excuses and saying that we should get rid - what do you expect him to say at a press conference after a 3-0 defeat. He talked matter of factly about the game and that there were vital moments in the game. He had no complaints about the sending off or the award of the penalties against Kuszczak and Greer. If he failed to attend the press conference or slaughtered the referee, it would be fair enough but his comments were considered and fair. Just a week ago, there were people on here commenting on the fantastic standard of the football played against Bolton - some of the best I have seen by an Albion team. Since then we have beaten Bristol City. Nothing went right for the team yesterday in all respects (the injuries being the biggest on-going concern). As for centre half cover, I would imagine that Gus will be happy enough with Greer, Calderon, Hammond and hopefully El-Abd before Dunk comes back the following week. Teams do go through injury crises - seem to remember Manchester United with Carrick and Fletcher in their back four a couple of years back. The versatile players will come to the fore in these circumstances - what sort of quality of player do you think you will get as fourth choice centre back? Normally somebody young and inexperienced or an older player who is no longer good enough. Elphick (seem to recall you never being a fan) and Cook have both left to play at a lower level and Hall who chose to further his career at Tottenham (one friendly appearance against Kingstonian). Brighton are two points outside the Championship play offs and have just lost their first game in 8 - don't think we are doing too badly.[/p][/quote]I am not a fan of ELphick , but we have lost 3 centre backs in last few months, and three is not going to be enough, Gus stated he wanted another one in pre season, Murray had a decent game considering he never trained all week and was in bed till Thursday . Glen Murray would come back here tomo if Gus would accept he got him wrong, his reaction at the Amex and yesterday clearly shows he has a soft spot for the club. mark by the sea

2:30pm Sun 2 Dec 12

ballantrrae says...

Alfie T wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.
Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.
Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured.
Gutted by the result but the better side won.
Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'.
Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.[/p][/quote]Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.[/p][/quote]Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured. Gutted by the result but the better side won. Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'. Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ? ballantrrae

2:39pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Godstone Gull says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
I see Ray Wilkins is punting Gus to be brought in as manager at Chelsea. At least someone recognizes the worth of our manager. Some fans on here have no clue how lucky we are to have him.
There are fans on here. But from which club is my question.?
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: I see Ray Wilkins is punting Gus to be brought in as manager at Chelsea. At least someone recognizes the worth of our manager. Some fans on here have no clue how lucky we are to have him.[/p][/quote]There are fans on here. But from which club is my question.? Godstone Gull

2:48pm Sun 2 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.
Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.
Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured.
Gutted by the result but the better side won.
Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'.
Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?
According to the Albion site, bridge has a chance for next week, what I can't fathom is loaning vincelot out , and not bringing him back Thursday when painter tore a muscle? Strange one that.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.[/p][/quote]Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.[/p][/quote]Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured. Gutted by the result but the better side won. Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'. Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?[/p][/quote]According to the Albion site, bridge has a chance for next week, what I can't fathom is loaning vincelot out , and not bringing him back Thursday when painter tore a muscle? Strange one that. mark by the sea

3:24pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Claude Back says...

Hovite wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
markdavids wrote:
You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.
You can judge a player who can't control a football with his left foot. Step forward Dunk, just watched the horror show on highlights, the itv show made us look really poor, yesterday I thought we were a little unlucky, but we can't put the ball in the net when it matters and dunk can't be trusted ..
Just a few thoughts on yesterday.....the highlights on BBC (maybe you watching the FA Cup round up on ITV?) were very good in spite of the result. For those castigating Dunk - bad error from a young and normally excellent centre back. It happens - because we play it around at the back, it was always going to happen at some point, just a shame about the timing. Might have got away with a yellow on some days as Kuszczak was getting to the ball first. Fair play to the referee though for not bottling the decision so early on. The two penalties were correct decisions although some doubt about offside in the lead up to the first one. Poor challenge by Greer for the second one. Despite their numerical superiority, Palace did not have loads of chances and Brighton deserve some credit defensively for keeping the score down. Aside from Murray's header over the bar, the two best chances in the game were Barnes' and CMS's before and after half time - both should have scored. And as for those moaning about Gus making excuses and saying that we should get rid - what do you expect him to say at a press conference after a 3-0 defeat. He talked matter of factly about the game and that there were vital moments in the game. He had no complaints about the sending off or the award of the penalties against Kuszczak and Greer. If he failed to attend the press conference or slaughtered the referee, it would be fair enough but his comments were considered and fair. Just a week ago, there were people on here commenting on the fantastic standard of the football played against Bolton - some of the best I have seen by an Albion team. Since then we have beaten Bristol City. Nothing went right for the team yesterday in all respects (the injuries being the biggest on-going concern). As for centre half cover, I would imagine that Gus will be happy enough with Greer, Calderon, Hammond and hopefully El-Abd before Dunk comes back the following week. Teams do go through injury crises - seem to remember Manchester United with Carrick and Fletcher in their back four a couple of years back. The versatile players will come to the fore in these circumstances - what sort of quality of player do you think you will get as fourth choice centre back? Normally somebody young and inexperienced or an older player who is no longer good enough. Elphick (seem to recall you never being a fan) and Cook have both left to play at a lower level and Hall who chose to further his career at Tottenham (one friendly appearance against Kingstonian). Brighton are two points outside the Championship play offs and have just lost their first game in 8 - don't think we are doing too badly.
Nicely said TP.

I'm trying to steer clear of commenting on here, but when someone goes to the length of writing an in depth rational post in response of knee jerk reactions and wums mixed in together, I have to give them the big thumbs up.
I agree with you both. Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markdavids[/bold] wrote: You cannot judge a team when they played with 10 men for most of the match. I didn't go but i listened on the radio and it sounds like we did well at containing palace and only conceded from set pieces. I did, however, go to southamptom last year; where we lost 3-0 had a man sent off and they scored 2 penalties. It would have been unfair to judge brighton on that performance just as it was then unfair to judge saints when they came toi brighton and got beaten 3-0, when they had a man sent off.[/p][/quote]You can judge a player who can't control a football with his left foot. Step forward Dunk, just watched the horror show on highlights, the itv show made us look really poor, yesterday I thought we were a little unlucky, but we can't put the ball in the net when it matters and dunk can't be trusted ..[/p][/quote]Just a few thoughts on yesterday.....the highlights on BBC (maybe you watching the FA Cup round up on ITV?) were very good in spite of the result. For those castigating Dunk - bad error from a young and normally excellent centre back. It happens - because we play it around at the back, it was always going to happen at some point, just a shame about the timing. Might have got away with a yellow on some days as Kuszczak was getting to the ball first. Fair play to the referee though for not bottling the decision so early on. The two penalties were correct decisions although some doubt about offside in the lead up to the first one. Poor challenge by Greer for the second one. Despite their numerical superiority, Palace did not have loads of chances and Brighton deserve some credit defensively for keeping the score down. Aside from Murray's header over the bar, the two best chances in the game were Barnes' and CMS's before and after half time - both should have scored. And as for those moaning about Gus making excuses and saying that we should get rid - what do you expect him to say at a press conference after a 3-0 defeat. He talked matter of factly about the game and that there were vital moments in the game. He had no complaints about the sending off or the award of the penalties against Kuszczak and Greer. If he failed to attend the press conference or slaughtered the referee, it would be fair enough but his comments were considered and fair. Just a week ago, there were people on here commenting on the fantastic standard of the football played against Bolton - some of the best I have seen by an Albion team. Since then we have beaten Bristol City. Nothing went right for the team yesterday in all respects (the injuries being the biggest on-going concern). As for centre half cover, I would imagine that Gus will be happy enough with Greer, Calderon, Hammond and hopefully El-Abd before Dunk comes back the following week. Teams do go through injury crises - seem to remember Manchester United with Carrick and Fletcher in their back four a couple of years back. The versatile players will come to the fore in these circumstances - what sort of quality of player do you think you will get as fourth choice centre back? Normally somebody young and inexperienced or an older player who is no longer good enough. Elphick (seem to recall you never being a fan) and Cook have both left to play at a lower level and Hall who chose to further his career at Tottenham (one friendly appearance against Kingstonian). Brighton are two points outside the Championship play offs and have just lost their first game in 8 - don't think we are doing too badly.[/p][/quote]Nicely said TP. I'm trying to steer clear of commenting on here, but when someone goes to the length of writing an in depth rational post in response of knee jerk reactions and wums mixed in together, I have to give them the big thumbs up.[/p][/quote]I agree with you both. Well said. Claude Back

3:30pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Chi Gull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.
Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.
Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured.
Gutted by the result but the better side won.
Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'.
Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?
According to the Albion site, bridge has a chance for next week, what I can't fathom is loaning vincelot out , and not bringing him back Thursday when painter tore a muscle? Strange one that.
If you listened to Gus's interview on the radio he didnt know he was without them until Friday afternoon - so too late I guess. That's El Abd and Bridge. Don't know when the Painter problem occurred. Gus seemed to be having a go at the medical staff, so maybe he's feeling a bit let down too. If we win next week this will all be forgotten. When we win Sussexram can tell us how we now have more points than last season - except somehow I don't think he will!!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.[/p][/quote]Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.[/p][/quote]Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured. Gutted by the result but the better side won. Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'. Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?[/p][/quote]According to the Albion site, bridge has a chance for next week, what I can't fathom is loaning vincelot out , and not bringing him back Thursday when painter tore a muscle? Strange one that.[/p][/quote]If you listened to Gus's interview on the radio he didnt know he was without them until Friday afternoon - so too late I guess. That's El Abd and Bridge. Don't know when the Painter problem occurred. Gus seemed to be having a go at the medical staff, so maybe he's feeling a bit let down too. If we win next week this will all be forgotten. When we win Sussexram can tell us how we now have more points than last season - except somehow I don't think he will!! Chi Gull

3:41pm Sun 2 Dec 12

GosportGull says...

Now we have all had chance to calm down ... Barnes is still not worthy of his place !! Vicente should be getting a P45 in post with air ticket home ..JFC should be given a personal phone call or visit from Gus saying dont get injured your needed ! Hoskins should be told , you hold the ball up and supply forward passes for CMS to get onto ..CMS should be training ALL day long until he can finish chance after chance without hesitation ... El Abd should ALWAYS play unless injured ..Greer needs heading practise until his head hurts ..and Gus you need to be more astute with your tactics ..like play 442 from time to time or we become predictable ... It has to get better ! Gutted about Orlandi ..wonder how long he will be out for ... Apart from him, Bridcutt and Buckley, wasnt that impressed yesterday by any of the team ... Come on Gus ...sort it please !!! GG
Now we have all had chance to calm down ... Barnes is still not worthy of his place !! Vicente should be getting a P45 in post with air ticket home ..JFC should be given a personal phone call or visit from Gus saying dont get injured your needed ! Hoskins should be told , you hold the ball up and supply forward passes for CMS to get onto ..CMS should be training ALL day long until he can finish chance after chance without hesitation ... El Abd should ALWAYS play unless injured ..Greer needs heading practise until his head hurts ..and Gus you need to be more astute with your tactics ..like play 442 from time to time or we become predictable ... It has to get better ! Gutted about Orlandi ..wonder how long he will be out for ... Apart from him, Bridcutt and Buckley, wasnt that impressed yesterday by any of the team ... Come on Gus ...sort it please !!! GG GosportGull

4:16pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Freeloaders says...

Lewis Dunk is a vile freeloading nightclub drunk with no pace.Ask one of the guys that was payed to watch Grant Hall for THFC.Freeloaders like Hammond,Croft,Dobbie
,and that vile drunk LuaLua are all on much more money than Murray is on now.Poyet just talks out his backside.I said the day Bridge got the injury he would be out for weeks.Poyet said just one or two games at first lol.Please note on the back of yesterdays programme there was no sign of Vicente name,or freeloader Anton Rodges out of 38 players.But we still pay them,very odd.Oatway Jr & Dickenson are there.
Lewis Dunk is a vile freeloading nightclub drunk with no pace.Ask one of the guys that was payed to watch Grant Hall for THFC.Freeloaders like Hammond,Croft,Dobbie ,and that vile drunk LuaLua are all on much more money than Murray is on now.Poyet just talks out his backside.I said the day Bridge got the injury he would be out for weeks.Poyet said just one or two games at first lol.Please note on the back of yesterdays programme there was no sign of Vicente name,or freeloader Anton Rodges out of 38 players.But we still pay them,very odd.Oatway Jr & Dickenson are there. Freeloaders

4:30pm Sun 2 Dec 12

tug509 says...

GosportGull wrote:
Now we have all had chance to calm down ... Barnes is still not worthy of his place !! Vicente should be getting a P45 in post with air ticket home ..JFC should be given a personal phone call or visit from Gus saying dont get injured your needed ! Hoskins should be told , you hold the ball up and supply forward passes for CMS to get onto ..CMS should be training ALL day long until he can finish chance after chance without hesitation ... El Abd should ALWAYS play unless injured ..Greer needs heading practise until his head hurts ..and Gus you need to be more astute with your tactics ..like play 442 from time to time or we become predictable ... It has to get better ! Gutted about Orlandi ..wonder how long he will be out for ... Apart from him, Bridcutt and Buckley, wasnt that impressed yesterday by any of the team ... Come on Gus ...sort it please !!! GG
Cant fault anything you say these days,spot on again GG. UTA
[quote][p][bold]GosportGull[/bold] wrote: Now we have all had chance to calm down ... Barnes is still not worthy of his place !! Vicente should be getting a P45 in post with air ticket home ..JFC should be given a personal phone call or visit from Gus saying dont get injured your needed ! Hoskins should be told , you hold the ball up and supply forward passes for CMS to get onto ..CMS should be training ALL day long until he can finish chance after chance without hesitation ... El Abd should ALWAYS play unless injured ..Greer needs heading practise until his head hurts ..and Gus you need to be more astute with your tactics ..like play 442 from time to time or we become predictable ... It has to get better ! Gutted about Orlandi ..wonder how long he will be out for ... Apart from him, Bridcutt and Buckley, wasnt that impressed yesterday by any of the team ... Come on Gus ...sort it please !!! GG[/p][/quote]Cant fault anything you say these days,spot on again GG. UTA tug509

4:50pm Sun 2 Dec 12

tug509 says...

tinker111 wrote:
tug509 wrote:
Carter_Cooldancer wrote:
I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly.

Selhurst is a dump BTW.
WE ARE NOT WORTHY.

A perfect description of the game,quality mate,nuff said....UTA
What was the score TUG???? yes from an Albion supporter for many years than you am sure but dont have my head up backside when it comes to facts
Fact,11 is more than 10.
Fact you have to change your game to adapt.
Fact GM dived.
Fact the ref was a home team ref.
Fact we will put it right on the return.
Fact i support a better team than you.

WE ARE BRIGHTON SUPER BRIGHTON FROM THE SOUTH...THE ALBION...THE ALBION..
[quote][p][bold]tinker111[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carter_Cooldancer[/bold] wrote: I doubt any of the previous posters went to the game, I did and the sending off changed everything. The game plan, the shape, the weakened team and the numerical disadvantage meant we were always going to be incapable of playing out an even derby. We battled well in the first half and Murray's header was clinical. CMS missed a sitter when well clear and in a perfect position. No composure. The Ref was dire and Palace's two excellent wingers knew just how to con the ref. We deserved the loss, not because Palace played better or are a better team, because they played the right game against a weakened team. They exploited the space perfectly. Selhurst is a dump BTW.[/p][/quote]WE ARE NOT WORTHY. A perfect description of the game,quality mate,nuff said....UTA[/p][/quote]What was the score TUG???? yes from an Albion supporter for many years than you am sure but dont have my head up backside when it comes to facts[/p][/quote]Fact,11 is more than 10. Fact you have to change your game to adapt. Fact GM dived. Fact the ref was a home team ref. Fact we will put it right on the return. Fact i support a better team than you. WE ARE BRIGHTON SUPER BRIGHTON FROM THE SOUTH...THE ALBION...THE ALBION.. tug509

5:45pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Gee Jay says...

We lost, It was going to be difficult with 11 men. Stupid error by Dunk, and he knew it immediately.
We had, and have, a defender crisis which hopefully can be cured by next Saturday.
From his post goals reaction, and opting not to take the second penalty, Glen Murray showed where he would probably prefer to be playing.
We are still in a reasonable league position, although it is obvious we are a long way off Premiership 'survival' level, so these results just bring us down to earth a little.
Things could be a lot worse, Sheffield Wednesday would gladly swap league positions with Albion.
UTA
We lost, It was going to be difficult with 11 men. Stupid error by Dunk, and he knew it immediately. We had, and have, a defender crisis which hopefully can be cured by next Saturday. From his post goals reaction, and opting not to take the second penalty, Glen Murray showed where he would probably prefer to be playing. We are still in a reasonable league position, although it is obvious we are a long way off Premiership 'survival' level, so these results just bring us down to earth a little. Things could be a lot worse, Sheffield Wednesday would gladly swap league positions with Albion. UTA Gee Jay

7:10pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.
Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.
Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured.
Gutted by the result but the better side won.
Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'.
Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?
Both Murray and Barnes were the recipients of Bennos talent, but if you read Holloways comments regarding Murray you will see why Barnes benefitted. His intelligent play and reputation afforded Barnes his opportunities, add a much weaker division and its easy to see why he scored so many and perhaps why he is now very average at best.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.[/p][/quote]Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.[/p][/quote]Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured. Gutted by the result but the better side won. Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'. Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?[/p][/quote]Both Murray and Barnes were the recipients of Bennos talent, but if you read Holloways comments regarding Murray you will see why Barnes benefitted. His intelligent play and reputation afforded Barnes his opportunities, add a much weaker division and its easy to see why he scored so many and perhaps why he is now very average at best. Alfie T

7:27pm Sun 2 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Alfie T wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.
Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.
Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured.
Gutted by the result but the better side won.
Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'.
Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?
Both Murray and Barnes were the recipients of Bennos talent, but if you read Holloways comments regarding Murray you will see why Barnes benefitted. His intelligent play and reputation afforded Barnes his opportunities, add a much weaker division and its easy to see why he scored so many and perhaps why he is now very average at best.
Hmm just watched Bennett play for Norwich, he looked a fish out of water, swap with bridcut going other way? Or cms?
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.[/p][/quote]Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.[/p][/quote]Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured. Gutted by the result but the better side won. Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'. Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?[/p][/quote]Both Murray and Barnes were the recipients of Bennos talent, but if you read Holloways comments regarding Murray you will see why Barnes benefitted. His intelligent play and reputation afforded Barnes his opportunities, add a much weaker division and its easy to see why he scored so many and perhaps why he is now very average at best.[/p][/quote]Hmm just watched Bennett play for Norwich, he looked a fish out of water, swap with bridcut going other way? Or cms? mark by the sea

7:46pm Sun 2 Dec 12

SMF20 says...

I remember watching an England football match a few years ago where as usual the manager of the time was trying to squeeze both Lampard and Gerrard into the team. It also happened to be the match where Andy Johnson was given his debut and came on with about 20 minutes to play. I remember at the time thinking what a terrible waste of talent this was and why oh why bother picking him for his goals to only then stick him right wing.... This is by no means a 1 off occurrence though. Many many managers have throughout time done exactly the same thing and left all but themselves baffled by what their intentions are. My point? Why oh why have we bought in such fantastic talent to not use it. Hoskins is a fantastic player and someone who got nearly as many goals for his team 2 seasons ago as both Gm and Ab did for us. The difference? We won the division and Bristol Rovers were relegated. The same can be said for Dobbie, an immense talent with an eye for goal and a strike as good as anybody around. Add to that his ability to pick a pass and a desire to go past people and again we are sitting on a gem. Half a dozen good championship teams wanted this guy and understandably so. He is a class act. You could even argue that Barnes is our current Andy Johnson. A 20 goal striker 2 seasons ago yet now nothing more than a hybrid... Is he a midfielder? Is he a striker? I really don't know.
We have in my mind the best squad that BHAFC have assembled in many years. We could and probably should be a top 4 team given our performances in the main this year and dare I say it, with just a couple more additions should be pushing for an automatic promotion place. We just need to start using those that have been brought in to improve us in the right way. Lets let a player that made a name for himself as a striker be a striker. Lets let a midfielder who has made his name as a midfielder be a midfielder. You wouldnt after all ask TK to pop the number 11 shirt on for the afternoon and play on the wing.
We have the players and we have the infrastructure. We have the management team and importantly we have the support (UTA) we just need that back to basics approach of letting a player do what they do best.
We can achieve greatness and we can do it with this squad + 2 or 3. Over to you GP. You're the man, You just have to use these terrific signings you have mad in the way they were intended to be used.
As always. Just my opinion
I remember watching an England football match a few years ago where as usual the manager of the time was trying to squeeze both Lampard and Gerrard into the team. It also happened to be the match where Andy Johnson was given his debut and came on with about 20 minutes to play. I remember at the time thinking what a terrible waste of talent this was and why oh why bother picking him for his goals to only then stick him right wing.... This is by no means a 1 off occurrence though. Many many managers have throughout time done exactly the same thing and left all but themselves baffled by what their intentions are. My point? Why oh why have we bought in such fantastic talent to not use it. Hoskins is a fantastic player and someone who got nearly as many goals for his team 2 seasons ago as both Gm and Ab did for us. The difference? We won the division and Bristol Rovers were relegated. The same can be said for Dobbie, an immense talent with an eye for goal and a strike as good as anybody around. Add to that his ability to pick a pass and a desire to go past people and again we are sitting on a gem. Half a dozen good championship teams wanted this guy and understandably so. He is a class act. You could even argue that Barnes is our current Andy Johnson. A 20 goal striker 2 seasons ago yet now nothing more than a hybrid... Is he a midfielder? Is he a striker? I really don't know. We have in my mind the best squad that BHAFC have assembled in many years. We could and probably should be a top 4 team given our performances in the main this year and dare I say it, with just a couple more additions should be pushing for an automatic promotion place. We just need to start using those that have been brought in to improve us in the right way. Lets let a player that made a name for himself as a striker be a striker. Lets let a midfielder who has made his name as a midfielder be a midfielder. You wouldnt after all ask TK to pop the number 11 shirt on for the afternoon and play on the wing. We have the players and we have the infrastructure. We have the management team and importantly we have the support (UTA) we just need that back to basics approach of letting a player do what they do best. We can achieve greatness and we can do it with this squad + 2 or 3. Over to you GP. You're the man, You just have to use these terrific signings you have mad in the way they were intended to be used. As always. Just my opinion SMF20

7:59pm Sun 2 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

SMF20 wrote:
I remember watching an England football match a few years ago where as usual the manager of the time was trying to squeeze both Lampard and Gerrard into the team. It also happened to be the match where Andy Johnson was given his debut and came on with about 20 minutes to play. I remember at the time thinking what a terrible waste of talent this was and why oh why bother picking him for his goals to only then stick him right wing.... This is by no means a 1 off occurrence though. Many many managers have throughout time done exactly the same thing and left all but themselves baffled by what their intentions are. My point? Why oh why have we bought in such fantastic talent to not use it. Hoskins is a fantastic player and someone who got nearly as many goals for his team 2 seasons ago as both Gm and Ab did for us. The difference? We won the division and Bristol Rovers were relegated. The same can be said for Dobbie, an immense talent with an eye for goal and a strike as good as anybody around. Add to that his ability to pick a pass and a desire to go past people and again we are sitting on a gem. Half a dozen good championship teams wanted this guy and understandably so. He is a class act. You could even argue that Barnes is our current Andy Johnson. A 20 goal striker 2 seasons ago yet now nothing more than a hybrid... Is he a midfielder? Is he a striker? I really don't know.
We have in my mind the best squad that BHAFC have assembled in many years. We could and probably should be a top 4 team given our performances in the main this year and dare I say it, with just a couple more additions should be pushing for an automatic promotion place. We just need to start using those that have been brought in to improve us in the right way. Lets let a player that made a name for himself as a striker be a striker. Lets let a midfielder who has made his name as a midfielder be a midfielder. You wouldnt after all ask TK to pop the number 11 shirt on for the afternoon and play on the wing.
We have the players and we have the infrastructure. We have the management team and importantly we have the support (UTA) we just need that back to basics approach of letting a player do what they do best.
We can achieve greatness and we can do it with this squad + 2 or 3. Over to you GP. You're the man, You just have to use these terrific signings you have mad in the way they were intended to be used.
As always. Just my opinion
Great post, frustration from yesterday at such a dump of a ground, I would have thought group on could do better, this is where as fans we need to unite and support our team.
Massive let down yesterday.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I remember watching an England football match a few years ago where as usual the manager of the time was trying to squeeze both Lampard and Gerrard into the team. It also happened to be the match where Andy Johnson was given his debut and came on with about 20 minutes to play. I remember at the time thinking what a terrible waste of talent this was and why oh why bother picking him for his goals to only then stick him right wing.... This is by no means a 1 off occurrence though. Many many managers have throughout time done exactly the same thing and left all but themselves baffled by what their intentions are. My point? Why oh why have we bought in such fantastic talent to not use it. Hoskins is a fantastic player and someone who got nearly as many goals for his team 2 seasons ago as both Gm and Ab did for us. The difference? We won the division and Bristol Rovers were relegated. The same can be said for Dobbie, an immense talent with an eye for goal and a strike as good as anybody around. Add to that his ability to pick a pass and a desire to go past people and again we are sitting on a gem. Half a dozen good championship teams wanted this guy and understandably so. He is a class act. You could even argue that Barnes is our current Andy Johnson. A 20 goal striker 2 seasons ago yet now nothing more than a hybrid... Is he a midfielder? Is he a striker? I really don't know. We have in my mind the best squad that BHAFC have assembled in many years. We could and probably should be a top 4 team given our performances in the main this year and dare I say it, with just a couple more additions should be pushing for an automatic promotion place. We just need to start using those that have been brought in to improve us in the right way. Lets let a player that made a name for himself as a striker be a striker. Lets let a midfielder who has made his name as a midfielder be a midfielder. You wouldnt after all ask TK to pop the number 11 shirt on for the afternoon and play on the wing. We have the players and we have the infrastructure. We have the management team and importantly we have the support (UTA) we just need that back to basics approach of letting a player do what they do best. We can achieve greatness and we can do it with this squad + 2 or 3. Over to you GP. You're the man, You just have to use these terrific signings you have mad in the way they were intended to be used. As always. Just my opinion[/p][/quote]Great post, frustration from yesterday at such a dump of a ground, I would have thought group on could do better, this is where as fans we need to unite and support our team. Massive let down yesterday. mark by the sea

8:21pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.
Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.
Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured.
Gutted by the result but the better side won.
Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'.
Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?
Both Murray and Barnes were the recipients of Bennos talent, but if you read Holloways comments regarding Murray you will see why Barnes benefitted. His intelligent play and reputation afforded Barnes his opportunities, add a much weaker division and its easy to see why he scored so many and perhaps why he is now very average at best.
Hmm just watched Bennett play for Norwich, he looked a fish out of water, swap with bridcut going other way? Or cms?
Not sure another old boy return is what we need, Hammond andCrofts have not really excited on their return. Got to say Palace have signed some talented players, they must have a decent scouting network.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: Gus is right. let's face it. the sending off WAS a pivotal moment. We may still have lost 11 against 11 but we don't know that as it could have panned out differently. What is important is that we don't go on another bad run after this - as we have been prone to do just that under Gus. A positive result against Charlton is vital. Fair play to Glenn Murray for not celebrating either of his goals (don't forget, he didn't celebrate at The Amex last season too). The man IS an Albion legend. Without his goals we would not be where we are today. GP knows we should have paid up and kept him. By the way, for all the Barnes knockers out there, i seem to remember his goals also helping us to get where we are today. UTA and let's put today to bed and move on.[/p][/quote]Oh do one about Barnes,he scored goals in div one because of Murray's quality not because of his.[/p][/quote]Actually Alfie T I thought Barnes scored most of his goals because of Bennett. If memory serves me right Barnes scored at least 4 goals at the end of that Season when Murray was out injured. Gutted by the result but the better side won. Does anybody know why we didn't have any defensive cover on the bench ? Why was El-Arb in particular not in the squad or indeed Painter ? Were they injured ? Having to field Orlandi and then, after he broke his rib, having Bridcutt take over at left back obviously didn't help our 'shape'. Any thoughts anyone about CMS and his near miss at the beginning of the second half ?[/p][/quote]Both Murray and Barnes were the recipients of Bennos talent, but if you read Holloways comments regarding Murray you will see why Barnes benefitted. His intelligent play and reputation afforded Barnes his opportunities, add a much weaker division and its easy to see why he scored so many and perhaps why he is now very average at best.[/p][/quote]Hmm just watched Bennett play for Norwich, he looked a fish out of water, swap with bridcut going other way? Or cms?[/p][/quote]Not sure another old boy return is what we need, Hammond andCrofts have not really excited on their return. Got to say Palace have signed some talented players, they must have a decent scouting network. Alfie T

8:23pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Neillo says...

Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''. You clearly have forgotten your roots. Neillo

8:34pm Sun 2 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Neillo wrote:
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.
I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!
[quote][p][bold]Neillo[/bold] wrote: Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''. You clearly have forgotten your roots.[/p][/quote]I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go! mark by the sea

8:34pm Sun 2 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Neillo wrote:
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.
I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!
[quote][p][bold]Neillo[/bold] wrote: Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''. You clearly have forgotten your roots.[/p][/quote]I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go! mark by the sea

9:18pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Neillo wrote:
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.
I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!
I heard that last season he contacted Gus wanting to come back, but Gus couldn't deal with his personality.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neillo[/bold] wrote: Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''. You clearly have forgotten your roots.[/p][/quote]I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go![/p][/quote]I heard that last season he contacted Gus wanting to come back, but Gus couldn't deal with his personality. Alfie T

9:19pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Bucket feet Duffy says...

Just looked at the match stats they had double the attempts we had but only 1 more on target than us a little more possession but they were the home team and 11 V 10 men, I really think we are a decent striker away from being a top side, let's see what happens com January
Just looked at the match stats they had double the attempts we had but only 1 more on target than us a little more possession but they were the home team and 11 V 10 men, I really think we are a decent striker away from being a top side, let's see what happens com January Bucket feet Duffy

9:29pm Sun 2 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Bucket feet Duffy wrote:
Just looked at the match stats they had double the attempts we had but only 1 more on target than us a little more possession but they were the home team and 11 V 10 men, I really think we are a decent striker away from being a top side, let's see what happens com January
I heard Murray wants back to here today, wanted away in the summer, watch him leave.
[quote][p][bold]Bucket feet Duffy[/bold] wrote: Just looked at the match stats they had double the attempts we had but only 1 more on target than us a little more possession but they were the home team and 11 V 10 men, I really think we are a decent striker away from being a top side, let's see what happens com January[/p][/quote]I heard Murray wants back to here today, wanted away in the summer, watch him leave. mark by the sea

9:55pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Neillo says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Neillo wrote:
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.
I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!
Can't argue about the area - i moved out 30 years ago and it wasn't great then. Lived in Hove since and loving it. But others on here may need reminding of the Gallstone, Withdean - and the Priestfield of course. Not your recently acquired fans of course, they wouldn't know.

Name your source re what you said about Murray otherwise it's hardly a fact is it ?
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neillo[/bold] wrote: Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''. You clearly have forgotten your roots.[/p][/quote]I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go![/p][/quote]Can't argue about the area - i moved out 30 years ago and it wasn't great then. Lived in Hove since and loving it. But others on here may need reminding of the Gallstone, Withdean - and the Priestfield of course. Not your recently acquired fans of course, they wouldn't know. Name your source re what you said about Murray otherwise it's hardly a fact is it ? Neillo

9:59pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Neillo says...

Alfie T wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Neillo wrote:
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.
I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!
I heard that last season he contacted Gus wanting to come back, but Gus couldn't deal with his personality.
Well he can forget a career in Stand - Up, he has a rep for being er...let's say dour.

I'm not surprised he wanted out last season. He looked like a fish out of water and the tactics didn't bring out the best in him. That's changed.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neillo[/bold] wrote: Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''. You clearly have forgotten your roots.[/p][/quote]I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go![/p][/quote]I heard that last season he contacted Gus wanting to come back, but Gus couldn't deal with his personality.[/p][/quote]Well he can forget a career in Stand - Up, he has a rep for being er...let's say dour. I'm not surprised he wanted out last season. He looked like a fish out of water and the tactics didn't bring out the best in him. That's changed. Neillo

10:12pm Sun 2 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Neillo wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Neillo wrote:
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.
I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!
Can't argue about the area - i moved out 30 years ago and it wasn't great then. Lived in Hove since and loving it. But others on here may need reminding of the Gallstone, Withdean - and the Priestfield of course. Not your recently acquired fans of course, they wouldn't know.

Name your source re what you said about Murray otherwise it's hardly a fact is it ?
It's his family ish? Can't really say, but his reaction yesterday looked bleak, I think he did not want a hat trick .. He wanted 9 k from brighton to stay. Palace offered him 11k he would have signed for less money.. No one who ever went to the priest field or withdean will ever forget!
You learnt to read and write since your move? Fair play! Lol
[quote][p][bold]Neillo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neillo[/bold] wrote: Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''. You clearly have forgotten your roots.[/p][/quote]I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go![/p][/quote]Can't argue about the area - i moved out 30 years ago and it wasn't great then. Lived in Hove since and loving it. But others on here may need reminding of the Gallstone, Withdean - and the Priestfield of course. Not your recently acquired fans of course, they wouldn't know. Name your source re what you said about Murray otherwise it's hardly a fact is it ?[/p][/quote]It's his family ish? Can't really say, but his reaction yesterday looked bleak, I think he did not want a hat trick .. He wanted 9 k from brighton to stay. Palace offered him 11k he would have signed for less money.. No one who ever went to the priest field or withdean will ever forget! You learnt to read and write since your move? Fair play! Lol mark by the sea

10:23pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Eddy B says...

SMF20 wrote:
I remember watching an England football match a few years ago where as usual the manager of the time was trying to squeeze both Lampard and Gerrard into the team. It also happened to be the match where Andy Johnson was given his debut and came on with about 20 minutes to play. I remember at the time thinking what a terrible waste of talent this was and why oh why bother picking him for his goals to only then stick him right wing.... This is by no means a 1 off occurrence though. Many many managers have throughout time done exactly the same thing and left all but themselves baffled by what their intentions are. My point? Why oh why have we bought in such fantastic talent to not use it. Hoskins is a fantastic player and someone who got nearly as many goals for his team 2 seasons ago as both Gm and Ab did for us. The difference? We won the division and Bristol Rovers were relegated. The same can be said for Dobbie, an immense talent with an eye for goal and a strike as good as anybody around. Add to that his ability to pick a pass and a desire to go past people and again we are sitting on a gem. Half a dozen good championship teams wanted this guy and understandably so. He is a class act. You could even argue that Barnes is our current Andy Johnson. A 20 goal striker 2 seasons ago yet now nothing more than a hybrid... Is he a midfielder? Is he a striker? I really don't know.
We have in my mind the best squad that BHAFC have assembled in many years. We could and probably should be a top 4 team given our performances in the main this year and dare I say it, with just a couple more additions should be pushing for an automatic promotion place. We just need to start using those that have been brought in to improve us in the right way. Lets let a player that made a name for himself as a striker be a striker. Lets let a midfielder who has made his name as a midfielder be a midfielder. You wouldnt after all ask TK to pop the number 11 shirt on for the afternoon and play on the wing.
We have the players and we have the infrastructure. We have the management team and importantly we have the support (UTA) we just need that back to basics approach of letting a player do what they do best.
We can achieve greatness and we can do it with this squad + 2 or 3. Over to you GP. You're the man, You just have to use these terrific signings you have mad in the way they were intended to be used.
As always. Just my opinion
Excellent post SMF. Why buy players like Lopez and Dobbie and not use them?
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I remember watching an England football match a few years ago where as usual the manager of the time was trying to squeeze both Lampard and Gerrard into the team. It also happened to be the match where Andy Johnson was given his debut and came on with about 20 minutes to play. I remember at the time thinking what a terrible waste of talent this was and why oh why bother picking him for his goals to only then stick him right wing.... This is by no means a 1 off occurrence though. Many many managers have throughout time done exactly the same thing and left all but themselves baffled by what their intentions are. My point? Why oh why have we bought in such fantastic talent to not use it. Hoskins is a fantastic player and someone who got nearly as many goals for his team 2 seasons ago as both Gm and Ab did for us. The difference? We won the division and Bristol Rovers were relegated. The same can be said for Dobbie, an immense talent with an eye for goal and a strike as good as anybody around. Add to that his ability to pick a pass and a desire to go past people and again we are sitting on a gem. Half a dozen good championship teams wanted this guy and understandably so. He is a class act. You could even argue that Barnes is our current Andy Johnson. A 20 goal striker 2 seasons ago yet now nothing more than a hybrid... Is he a midfielder? Is he a striker? I really don't know. We have in my mind the best squad that BHAFC have assembled in many years. We could and probably should be a top 4 team given our performances in the main this year and dare I say it, with just a couple more additions should be pushing for an automatic promotion place. We just need to start using those that have been brought in to improve us in the right way. Lets let a player that made a name for himself as a striker be a striker. Lets let a midfielder who has made his name as a midfielder be a midfielder. You wouldnt after all ask TK to pop the number 11 shirt on for the afternoon and play on the wing. We have the players and we have the infrastructure. We have the management team and importantly we have the support (UTA) we just need that back to basics approach of letting a player do what they do best. We can achieve greatness and we can do it with this squad + 2 or 3. Over to you GP. You're the man, You just have to use these terrific signings you have mad in the way they were intended to be used. As always. Just my opinion[/p][/quote]Excellent post SMF. Why buy players like Lopez and Dobbie and not use them? Eddy B

10:33pm Sun 2 Dec 12

Eddy B says...

Afraid the most significant outcome from the match may be Orlandi's injury - our main creative midfielder. Also agree the injury reports from the club are a joke so we will have no idea when to expect Orlandi back. Lack of defensive cover is also looking a bit concerning with the current injuries.
Afraid the most significant outcome from the match may be Orlandi's injury - our main creative midfielder. Also agree the injury reports from the club are a joke so we will have no idea when to expect Orlandi back. Lack of defensive cover is also looking a bit concerning with the current injuries. Eddy B

11:36pm Sun 2 Dec 12

WisdomSpeaks says...

suede27 wrote:
I thought Poyet is meant to be one of the most highly-rated up-and-coming managers?

If that's the case then can someone please tell me why it appears everyone apart from him acknowledges that we need to play 442 sometimes.

Yes, CMS works his socks off blah blah blah. But he needs to play with someone. Crucially, though, he needs service and that's only going to come with two wide men.

Poyet is tactically naive and stubborn.

Playing 433 and tippy-tappy football is all very well if you have the players. We don't. This is Brighton. Not Barcelona.

A large number of fans are getting increasingly frustrated with Poyet's inability to adapt. It's his way, or no way which is the reason why Murray left.

It would appear odd that the club let their leading goalscorer leave but were happy to pay CMS' obviously high wage demands.

Shame on the idiots who booed Murray today.
Stubborness coupled with acute arrogance will prevent him being a top top manager.

He has a lot to learn about life - never mind football.

I hope he can develop some humility, stop being sarcastic about other teams and managers - it shows up his lack of intelligence - and learn the lessons he needs to learn.

If not - it's only a matter of time sadly before it all comes back to bite him in the bum.
[quote][p][bold]suede27[/bold] wrote: I thought Poyet is meant to be one of the most highly-rated up-and-coming managers? If that's the case then can someone please tell me why it appears everyone apart from him acknowledges that we need to play 442 sometimes. Yes, CMS works his socks off blah blah blah. But he needs to play with someone. Crucially, though, he needs service and that's only going to come with two wide men. Poyet is tactically naive and stubborn. Playing 433 and tippy-tappy football is all very well if you have the players. We don't. This is Brighton. Not Barcelona. A large number of fans are getting increasingly frustrated with Poyet's inability to adapt. It's his way, or no way which is the reason why Murray left. It would appear odd that the club let their leading goalscorer leave but were happy to pay CMS' obviously high wage demands. Shame on the idiots who booed Murray today.[/p][/quote]Stubborness coupled with acute arrogance will prevent him being a top top manager. He has a lot to learn about life - never mind football. I hope he can develop some humility, stop being sarcastic about other teams and managers - it shows up his lack of intelligence - and learn the lessons he needs to learn. If not - it's only a matter of time sadly before it all comes back to bite him in the bum. WisdomSpeaks

1:56am Mon 3 Dec 12

the taffster says...

StevieD wrote:
Time to dump Dunk, so much promise but a hot head that doesn't learn. Last time we will see him hopefully. Cost the seagulls the chance of a result, although Palace sadly at the moment are a better more organised and balanced side. Step forward to Mr Di Matteo and a new system, the other has run out of ideas!
good idea lets get di matteo in,
[quote][p][bold]StevieD[/bold] wrote: Time to dump Dunk, so much promise but a hot head that doesn't learn. Last time we will see him hopefully. Cost the seagulls the chance of a result, although Palace sadly at the moment are a better more organised and balanced side. Step forward to Mr Di Matteo and a new system, the other has run out of ideas![/p][/quote]good idea lets get di matteo in, the taffster

8:08am Mon 3 Dec 12

born again seagull says...

suede27 wrote:
I thought Poyet is meant to be one of the most highly-rated up-and-coming managers?

If that's the case then can someone please tell me why it appears everyone apart from him acknowledges that we need to play 442 sometimes.

Yes, CMS works his socks off blah blah blah. But he needs to play with someone. Crucially, though, he needs service and that's only going to come with two wide men.

Poyet is tactically naive and stubborn.

Playing 433 and tippy-tappy football is all very well if you have the players. We don't. This is Brighton. Not Barcelona.

A large number of fans are getting increasingly frustrated with Poyet's inability to adapt. It's his way, or no way which is the reason why Murray left.

It would appear odd that the club let their leading goalscorer leave but were happy to pay CMS' obviously high wage demands.

Shame on the idiots who booed Murray today.
Ref 442, because 'everybody ' is not Gus and all you 'everybodys' dont know what yo ae talking about!.
[quote][p][bold]suede27[/bold] wrote: I thought Poyet is meant to be one of the most highly-rated up-and-coming managers? If that's the case then can someone please tell me why it appears everyone apart from him acknowledges that we need to play 442 sometimes. Yes, CMS works his socks off blah blah blah. But he needs to play with someone. Crucially, though, he needs service and that's only going to come with two wide men. Poyet is tactically naive and stubborn. Playing 433 and tippy-tappy football is all very well if you have the players. We don't. This is Brighton. Not Barcelona. A large number of fans are getting increasingly frustrated with Poyet's inability to adapt. It's his way, or no way which is the reason why Murray left. It would appear odd that the club let their leading goalscorer leave but were happy to pay CMS' obviously high wage demands. Shame on the idiots who booed Murray today.[/p][/quote]Ref 442, because 'everybody ' is not Gus and all you 'everybodys' dont know what yo ae talking about!. born again seagull

11:29am Mon 3 Dec 12

Neillo says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Neillo wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Neillo wrote:
Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''.

You clearly have forgotten your roots.
I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!
Can't argue about the area - i moved out 30 years ago and it wasn't great then. Lived in Hove since and loving it. But others on here may need reminding of the Gallstone, Withdean - and the Priestfield of course. Not your recently acquired fans of course, they wouldn't know.

Name your source re what you said about Murray otherwise it's hardly a fact is it ?
It's his family ish? Can't really say, but his reaction yesterday looked bleak, I think he did not want a hat trick .. He wanted 9 k from brighton to stay. Palace offered him 11k he would have signed for less money.. No one who ever went to the priest field or withdean will ever forget!
You learnt to read and write since your move? Fair play! Lol
Mastered reading and writing before the move, actually !

Murray didn't celebrate out of respect for his former club - good to see. He refused the second penalty because he's missed both times he was in the same situation this season.

I think you guys are in a similar place to where we were with Freedman last season. He wouldn't change his tactics when they patently weren't working, and it was really frustrating. From what I have seen of BHA, they try to play a certain way but have no cutting edge...and we all know that other teams can punish you with just one chance. Signing 20 goals a season strikers not easy though. Maybe you should test Burnley's resolve and offer big money for Charlie Austin, he would suit. And I'd get shot of Dunk from what I'veseen, but of course that's only limited, you would know better...
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neillo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neillo[/bold] wrote: Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''. You clearly have forgotten your roots.[/p][/quote]I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go![/p][/quote]Can't argue about the area - i moved out 30 years ago and it wasn't great then. Lived in Hove since and loving it. But others on here may need reminding of the Gallstone, Withdean - and the Priestfield of course. Not your recently acquired fans of course, they wouldn't know. Name your source re what you said about Murray otherwise it's hardly a fact is it ?[/p][/quote]It's his family ish? Can't really say, but his reaction yesterday looked bleak, I think he did not want a hat trick .. He wanted 9 k from brighton to stay. Palace offered him 11k he would have signed for less money.. No one who ever went to the priest field or withdean will ever forget! You learnt to read and write since your move? Fair play! Lol[/p][/quote]Mastered reading and writing before the move, actually ! Murray didn't celebrate out of respect for his former club - good to see. He refused the second penalty because he's missed both times he was in the same situation this season. I think you guys are in a similar place to where we were with Freedman last season. He wouldn't change his tactics when they patently weren't working, and it was really frustrating. From what I have seen of BHA, they try to play a certain way but have no cutting edge...and we all know that other teams can punish you with just one chance. Signing 20 goals a season strikers not easy though. Maybe you should test Burnley's resolve and offer big money for Charlie Austin, he would suit. And I'd get shot of Dunk from what I'veseen, but of course that's only limited, you would know better... Neillo

8:48pm Mon 3 Dec 12

Hoarder12345444 says...

I was there and admit we were beaten by a quality, well organised and talented Palace side. We lacked ideas and sharpness. The sending off was pivotal of course. And to have two penalties against was harsh luck indeed. Defended well, but Palace battered us in the first half even before the sending off. Barnes, again for me, woeful, Orlandi OK, Bridcutt was good as was Greer and Bruno. CMS as ever was very good but so isolated. For Pity's sake GUS play two central strikers!! Give Dobbie or Hoskins a run and DROP Barnes!! Really disappointed we lost, thought we would have come back and done ok, and if that CMS second half chance had gone in who knows. Bottom line is we were well beaten in almost every department.
I was there and admit we were beaten by a quality, well organised and talented Palace side. We lacked ideas and sharpness. The sending off was pivotal of course. And to have two penalties against was harsh luck indeed. Defended well, but Palace battered us in the first half even before the sending off. Barnes, again for me, woeful, Orlandi OK, Bridcutt was good as was Greer and Bruno. CMS as ever was very good but so isolated. For Pity's sake GUS play two central strikers!! Give Dobbie or Hoskins a run and DROP Barnes!! Really disappointed we lost, thought we would have come back and done ok, and if that CMS second half chance had gone in who knows. Bottom line is we were well beaten in almost every department. Hoarder12345444

11:16am Tue 4 Dec 12

LolaShabb says...

Hove Actually wrote:
All these comments about 10 v 11 are right but still wrong. At some time every team is going to play on either side of 10 or 11 and what was clear is we didn't manage it well, the only positive is we didn't lose by more.
Exactly, we just didnt recover after the sending off. It was a key moment, but the biggest and best teams know how to deal with events like that
[quote][p][bold]Hove Actually[/bold] wrote: All these comments about 10 v 11 are right but still wrong. At some time every team is going to play on either side of 10 or 11 and what was clear is we didn't manage it well, the only positive is we didn't lose by more.[/p][/quote]Exactly, we just didnt recover after the sending off. It was a key moment, but the biggest and best teams know how to deal with events like that LolaShabb

12:23pm Wed 5 Dec 12

GosportGull says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Neillo wrote: Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''. You clearly have forgotten your roots.
I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!
Well Christmas is coming and so is the January transfer deadline , wonder if TB might pay GM what he wants this time ...
I can't think of any other available decent quality forward around at the moment... But if CMS wasn't so isolated and Hoskins played him in or the odd ball over the top , things could be very different...over to you Gus two strikers please . GG
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neillo[/bold] wrote: Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''. You clearly have forgotten your roots.[/p][/quote]I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go![/p][/quote]Well Christmas is coming and so is the January transfer deadline , wonder if TB might pay GM what he wants this time ... I can't think of any other available decent quality forward around at the moment... But if CMS wasn't so isolated and Hoskins played him in or the odd ball over the top , things could be very different...over to you Gus two strikers please . GG GosportGull

12:50am Thu 6 Dec 12

Neillo says...

GosportGull wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Neillo wrote: Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''. You clearly have forgotten your roots.
I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go!
Well Christmas is coming and so is the January transfer deadline , wonder if TB might pay GM what he wants this time ...
I can't think of any other available decent quality forward around at the moment... But if CMS wasn't so isolated and Hoskins played him in or the odd ball over the top , things could be very different...over to you Gus two strikers please . GG
GM isn't available.

Make Burnley an offer for Austin - he's not officially available but reckon he would prefer playing down here than at Burnley.
[quote][p][bold]GosportGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neillo[/bold] wrote: Some of you keep on about Selhurst being a '' dump of a ground ''. You clearly have forgotten your roots.[/p][/quote]I was referring to the people around it, why are you selling tickets on groupon? Glen Murray wants out of palace, that's a fact. You wait for his request to. Go![/p][/quote]Well Christmas is coming and so is the January transfer deadline , wonder if TB might pay GM what he wants this time ... I can't think of any other available decent quality forward around at the moment... But if CMS wasn't so isolated and Hoskins played him in or the odd ball over the top , things could be very different...over to you Gus two strikers please . GG[/p][/quote]GM isn't available. Make Burnley an offer for Austin - he's not officially available but reckon he would prefer playing down here than at Burnley. Neillo

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