Poyet: Cash will be key

Gus Poyet hopes to add to his squad in January

Gus Poyet hopes to add to his squad in January

First published in Albion by , Chief sports reporter

Albion boss Gus Poyet expects cash to be key in the Championship promotion race in January.

And he is hoping to add to his squad when the transfer window re-opens in the New Year.

Albion are eighth, two points outside the play-offs, ahead of Saturday’s visit to mid-table Charlton.

Big-spending Cardiff City currently lead the way from Crystal Palace in the automatic promotion places with Leicester, another of the heavy spenders in third.

Poyet told The Argus: “I know people don’t like it but money will make the difference. If the teams at the top spend wisely in January it’s a plus.

“When QPR were doing well the directors were asking for an extra £5 million injection in January and they got it and they went up. It’s not all about money but nearly.

“I think we have got a chance to add something. We still have a month but we are ready for sure. We are always working on things in every position.”

Poyet is building towards a squad with more Premier League quality. “We are not only planning for January, we are planning for June, for the next three years, for the moment that we expect we may be in the Premier League,” he said.

“That means you need to have as many Premier League players as possible in the squad, sometimes a very experienced player who is going to stay for four or five years or sometimes a 22 or 23-year-old who you are going to have for two or three years and when you get there he is a Premier League player.

“It’s a plan and we are doing it. The problem is on a Saturday at three o’clock the plan has gone and it’s about winning that game.”

Albion’s FA Cup third round tie against Newcastle at The Amex on Saturday January 5 is live on ITV, kick-off 12.30pm.

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10:01am Wed 5 Dec 12

Aldrington actually says...

Great news,sounds like gus is planning for the future in bringing in some key players for the team with premiership quality,does this mean barnes is going?.
Great news,sounds like gus is planning for the future in bringing in some key players for the team with premiership quality,does this mean barnes is going?. Aldrington actually
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10:09am Wed 5 Dec 12

ballantrrae says...

Glad to see that Poyet is planning beyond January and looking to next June.
Given that it takes players joining the Albion time to adapt to our playing style this makes sense. When Noone first joined two years ago Poyet introduced him slowly and tactically. Then at the beginning of our first season in the Championship it was Noone who was the form player.
In terms of signings this January I am expecting/hoping for a CB to join us as well as the much talked about striker/target man. Personally I hope we also acquire another full back with Bridge's loan ending and others such as Calde and Painter coming out of contract in the summer. Indeed how many of our current defence will still be under contract at the end of June ? The only ones I am sure about are Kuszczak and Bruno. Finally I wouldn't mind another winger/midfield playmaker to replace Vicente who whether he plays or not this season is bound to leave in the summer.
Whilst this long term 'wish list' mentions 4 players I only really expect 2 at most to join in January. Thoughts anyone eg Captain Haddock, Hovite, Dr Baldhead, Fairweathersupporter
, VegasSeagull, MBTS, Farside and other regular posters ?
Glad to see that Poyet is planning beyond January and looking to next June. Given that it takes players joining the Albion time to adapt to our playing style this makes sense. When Noone first joined two years ago Poyet introduced him slowly and tactically. Then at the beginning of our first season in the Championship it was Noone who was the form player. In terms of signings this January I am expecting/hoping for a CB to join us as well as the much talked about striker/target man. Personally I hope we also acquire another full back with Bridge's loan ending and others such as Calde and Painter coming out of contract in the summer. Indeed how many of our current defence will still be under contract at the end of June ? The only ones I am sure about are Kuszczak and Bruno. Finally I wouldn't mind another winger/midfield playmaker to replace Vicente who whether he plays or not this season is bound to leave in the summer. Whilst this long term 'wish list' mentions 4 players I only really expect 2 at most to join in January. Thoughts anyone eg Captain Haddock, Hovite, Dr Baldhead, Fairweathersupporter , VegasSeagull, MBTS, Farside and other regular posters ? ballantrrae
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10:33am Wed 5 Dec 12

mikeygit says...

Ballantrae--agreed. But as Gus says, money is key but also who is available and who wants to come to The Amex. Given that I hope that we get 2-3 players to fill the defence gaps and a 'Peter Ward' type to charge through the midfield and score goals. Who could fill that role??? As a sceptic I do fear that Jan will pass without filling that elusive Forward role.
I am coming over to the UK next week and I have the privelege of watching the Notts Forest game---I may then be in a better position to make comments on the Teams performance!??
Ballantrae--agreed. But as Gus says, money is key but also who is available and who wants to come to The Amex. Given that I hope that we get 2-3 players to fill the defence gaps and a 'Peter Ward' type to charge through the midfield and score goals. Who could fill that role??? As a sceptic I do fear that Jan will pass without filling that elusive Forward role. I am coming over to the UK next week and I have the privelege of watching the Notts Forest game---I may then be in a better position to make comments on the Teams performance!?? mikeygit
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11:26am Wed 5 Dec 12

fairweathersupporter says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Glad to see that Poyet is planning beyond January and looking to next June. Given that it takes players joining the Albion time to adapt to our playing style this makes sense. When Noone first joined two years ago Poyet introduced him slowly and tactically. Then at the beginning of our first season in the Championship it was Noone who was the form player. In terms of signings this January I am expecting/hoping for a CB to join us as well as the much talked about striker/target man. Personally I hope we also acquire another full back with Bridge's loan ending and others such as Calde and Painter coming out of contract in the summer. Indeed how many of our current defence will still be under contract at the end of June ? The only ones I am sure about are Kuszczak and Bruno. Finally I wouldn't mind another winger/midfield playmaker to replace Vicente who whether he plays or not this season is bound to leave in the summer. Whilst this long term 'wish list' mentions 4 players I only really expect 2 at most to join in January. Thoughts anyone eg Captain Haddock, Hovite, Dr Baldhead, Fairweathersupporter , VegasSeagull, MBTS, Farside and other regular posters ?
I think i've gone on enough about a striker but if we do get one i would like to see CMS playing deeper and off said purchase; which may negate the attacking midfield option of which you speak and of which i think we may already be slightly overstocked, albeit Spanish Dave and Dowbie, Doebie, Dobby or however we are now pronouncing it, have yet to come up to speed. Width is generally provided by these attacking midfielders combined with our dynamic duo of fullbacks. Talking of which, slightly more accomplished cover would be an advantage but we can't have it all (or can we?). Orlandi has really impressed me but the base of the midfield is still a work in progress. Hammond is starting to find some form but Crofts has been somewhat distracted. The centre back issue is slightly more 'complicated'. Greer and Dunk have come in for some extremely unjust criticism but long term, and certainly Premiership wise, this area needs addressing.
On an up note, we are there or thereabouts and we could make a push for it. The division is certainly very tight and whatever the comparisons people may make of last season, we are a better team and capable of a higher finish. People also talk of luck and in the majority of games I have been to, we have been the better side. Injuries aside and maybe a bit more tactical flexibility (no not 4-4-2), should see us seriously challenging. To all those who get frustrated and expect us to walk into the Premiership, TRY and keep it real. We are not the finished article and we are not in a relegation battle where my mate Gus is stubbornly sticking to his guns come what (in) may.
It will hopefully be an interesting January. I have not got a clue who we should or could sign. Zamora is injured and other targets both real and fantasticaI have gone elsewhere or are playing first team football for established sides above ourselves. I think Gus does have a clue and Mr Bloom has thus far supported him financially. Sensible and boring (but please not on the field, poor old Mike Bailey…), great isn't it!!!
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Glad to see that Poyet is planning beyond January and looking to next June. Given that it takes players joining the Albion time to adapt to our playing style this makes sense. When Noone first joined two years ago Poyet introduced him slowly and tactically. Then at the beginning of our first season in the Championship it was Noone who was the form player. In terms of signings this January I am expecting/hoping for a CB to join us as well as the much talked about striker/target man. Personally I hope we also acquire another full back with Bridge's loan ending and others such as Calde and Painter coming out of contract in the summer. Indeed how many of our current defence will still be under contract at the end of June ? The only ones I am sure about are Kuszczak and Bruno. Finally I wouldn't mind another winger/midfield playmaker to replace Vicente who whether he plays or not this season is bound to leave in the summer. Whilst this long term 'wish list' mentions 4 players I only really expect 2 at most to join in January. Thoughts anyone eg Captain Haddock, Hovite, Dr Baldhead, Fairweathersupporter , VegasSeagull, MBTS, Farside and other regular posters ?[/p][/quote]I think i've gone on enough about a striker but if we do get one i would like to see CMS playing deeper and off said purchase; which may negate the attacking midfield option of which you speak and of which i think we may already be slightly overstocked, albeit Spanish Dave and Dowbie, Doebie, Dobby or however we are now pronouncing it, have yet to come up to speed. Width is generally provided by these attacking midfielders combined with our dynamic duo of fullbacks. Talking of which, slightly more accomplished cover would be an advantage but we can't have it all (or can we?). Orlandi has really impressed me but the base of the midfield is still a work in progress. Hammond is starting to find some form but Crofts has been somewhat distracted. The centre back issue is slightly more 'complicated'. Greer and Dunk have come in for some extremely unjust criticism but long term, and certainly Premiership wise, this area needs addressing. On an up note, we are there or thereabouts and we could make a push for it. The division is certainly very tight and whatever the comparisons people may make of last season, we are a better team and capable of a higher finish. People also talk of luck and in the majority of games I have been to, we have been the better side. Injuries aside and maybe a bit more tactical flexibility (no not 4-4-2), should see us seriously challenging. To all those who get frustrated and expect us to walk into the Premiership, TRY and keep it real. We are not the finished article and we are not in a relegation battle where my mate Gus is stubbornly sticking to his guns come what (in) may. It will hopefully be an interesting January. I have not got a clue who we should or could sign. Zamora is injured and other targets both real and fantasticaI have gone elsewhere or are playing first team football for established sides above ourselves. I think Gus does have a clue and Mr Bloom has thus far supported him financially. Sensible and boring (but please not on the field, poor old Mike Bailey…), great isn't it!!! fairweathersupporter
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11:28am Wed 5 Dec 12

CanfieldRob says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Glad to see that Poyet is planning beyond January and looking to next June.
Given that it takes players joining the Albion time to adapt to our playing style this makes sense. When Noone first joined two years ago Poyet introduced him slowly and tactically. Then at the beginning of our first season in the Championship it was Noone who was the form player.
In terms of signings this January I am expecting/hoping for a CB to join us as well as the much talked about striker/target man. Personally I hope we also acquire another full back with Bridge's loan ending and others such as Calde and Painter coming out of contract in the summer. Indeed how many of our current defence will still be under contract at the end of June ? The only ones I am sure about are Kuszczak and Bruno. Finally I wouldn't mind another winger/midfield playmaker to replace Vicente who whether he plays or not this season is bound to leave in the summer.
Whilst this long term 'wish list' mentions 4 players I only really expect 2 at most to join in January. Thoughts anyone eg Captain Haddock, Hovite, Dr Baldhead, Fairweathersupporter

, VegasSeagull, MBTS, Farside and other regular posters ?
Anyone else think that Tom Pope, sticking them away regularly at Port Vale might be worth a punt?
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Glad to see that Poyet is planning beyond January and looking to next June. Given that it takes players joining the Albion time to adapt to our playing style this makes sense. When Noone first joined two years ago Poyet introduced him slowly and tactically. Then at the beginning of our first season in the Championship it was Noone who was the form player. In terms of signings this January I am expecting/hoping for a CB to join us as well as the much talked about striker/target man. Personally I hope we also acquire another full back with Bridge's loan ending and others such as Calde and Painter coming out of contract in the summer. Indeed how many of our current defence will still be under contract at the end of June ? The only ones I am sure about are Kuszczak and Bruno. Finally I wouldn't mind another winger/midfield playmaker to replace Vicente who whether he plays or not this season is bound to leave in the summer. Whilst this long term 'wish list' mentions 4 players I only really expect 2 at most to join in January. Thoughts anyone eg Captain Haddock, Hovite, Dr Baldhead, Fairweathersupporter , VegasSeagull, MBTS, Farside and other regular posters ?[/p][/quote]Anyone else think that Tom Pope, sticking them away regularly at Port Vale might be worth a punt? CanfieldRob
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11:48am Wed 5 Dec 12

Gee Jay says...

What Ho Chaps!
Dd you see that B&HA supporters have been voted (by some good measure) the 'poshest' supporters in the whole Football League?
I was only commenting to duke and the archbishop, whilst sitting between them in my seat at the Amex, that we certainly get less Riff-Raff at our club.
Must dash, just orf to bag a grouse!
What Ho Chaps! Dd you see that B&HA supporters have been voted (by some good measure) the 'poshest' supporters in the whole Football League? I was only commenting to duke and the archbishop, whilst sitting between them in my seat at the Amex, that we certainly get less Riff-Raff at our club. Must dash, just orf to bag a grouse! Gee Jay
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12:13pm Wed 5 Dec 12

kentseagull says...

Bridge is with us all season, we don't need another fullback. We (still) need an attacking midfielder with the ability to arrive from deep (perhaps Dobie will fulfill this role, I hope so), an alternative striker who can come on for the last 30 minutes much like Hernandez or Djeko do for their clubs and win a game and perhaps some centreback cover. A left winger to replace Noone would be nice given Kaz seems to have lost what he had in abundance, a return to form would be welcome right now!
Bridge is with us all season, we don't need another fullback. We (still) need an attacking midfielder with the ability to arrive from deep (perhaps Dobie will fulfill this role, I hope so), an alternative striker who can come on for the last 30 minutes much like Hernandez or Djeko do for their clubs and win a game and perhaps some centreback cover. A left winger to replace Noone would be nice given Kaz seems to have lost what he had in abundance, a return to form would be welcome right now! kentseagull
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12:18pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Hovite says...

It’s about getting the right players, that’s the tricky bit ballantrrae. How do you get a player like Fellaini to the club?

I did believe a Bobby Z loan in January from lowly QPR was a possibility but he is now injured, so even if he was being lined up it’s been thrown out of the window, unless he is exaggerating the problem to make QPR think that he is surplus to their future.

Shame about our defense injuries, and the red card, making it four out, and has made this an issue, but hopefully this will be resolved soon with the players coming back fit. A really good CB would only come here if he was guaranteed a regular first team place, not just a backup for emergencies.

In all cases it would be hard to compete with most other clubs because the reality is that Tony Bloom is not the richest chairman in football and he hasn’t had any of the windfalls of the majority of the clubs in the Prem and Champ .

Contrary to belief the club is in debt and we have got to calculate our way out of the division rather than buy our way out of it.

The good thing is we are doing well and are still in it. The fat lady isn't putting on her makeup yet, yet alone singing.
It’s about getting the right players, that’s the tricky bit ballantrrae. How do you get a player like Fellaini to the club? I did believe a Bobby Z loan in January from lowly QPR was a possibility but he is now injured, so even if he was being lined up it’s been thrown out of the window, unless he is exaggerating the problem to make QPR think that he is surplus to their future. Shame about our defense injuries, and the red card, making it four out, and has made this an issue, but hopefully this will be resolved soon with the players coming back fit. A really good CB would only come here if he was guaranteed a regular first team place, not just a backup for emergencies. In all cases it would be hard to compete with most other clubs because the reality is that Tony Bloom is not the richest chairman in football and he hasn’t had any of the windfalls of the majority of the clubs in the Prem and Champ . Contrary to belief the club is in debt and we have got to calculate our way out of the division rather than buy our way out of it. The good thing is we are doing well and are still in it. The fat lady isn't putting on her makeup yet, yet alone singing. Hovite
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12:28pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Hovite says...

CanfieldRob, Is Tom Pope for sale?
CanfieldRob, Is Tom Pope for sale? Hovite
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1:04pm Wed 5 Dec 12

mark5 says...

More cash, for even more players.........will Bloom recognise this? What about the ones we have bought so far who are not getting a look in or having bit parts at best! How long does it take for these players to "adapt" to the style of play that Gus wants? Even Premiership quality players will have to adapt! Agreed we need some more quality, but what about those we have paid in some way for and they are just not in the team. I hope that Bloom is not looking at his cheque stubs and thinking..."and I need to get the wallet out again?!!"
More cash, for even more players.........will Bloom recognise this? What about the ones we have bought so far who are not getting a look in or having bit parts at best! How long does it take for these players to "adapt" to the style of play that Gus wants? Even Premiership quality players will have to adapt! Agreed we need some more quality, but what about those we have paid in some way for and they are just not in the team. I hope that Bloom is not looking at his cheque stubs and thinking..."and I need to get the wallet out again?!!" mark5
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1:22pm Wed 5 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

On a different article of yesterday's date I listed a whole bunch of players that I would let go and ones I expect the club to let go.once the window opens and before the start of next season.
I am of the opinion that we do not have a big enough number of players good enough to play prem football and in my humble opinion it takes a near prem side to get promoted.

When Gud talks of Cardiff, and other, spending come january they will top up on what they have, we need to build rather than top up.
We might be just two or three players short of giving it a good go in the playoffs but we are a dozen short of having any chance of survival in the premier division.

A plan for promotion, as Gus is kinda suggesting, could take three years to come to fruition and I see this current season as year one. Sign a twenty year old lad who is showing quality traits, get him on ahtree eyar deal and he will still only be twenty. Players such as Zamora might get you there as part of the plan but would then be let go so we don't need too many Zamoras bu tthey do have role to play within the plan.

I find this article very refreshing, I see it as a true evaluation as to where we are today and how we will proceed tomorrow.
On a different article of yesterday's date I listed a whole bunch of players that I would let go and ones I expect the club to let go.once the window opens and before the start of next season. I am of the opinion that we do not have a big enough number of players good enough to play prem football and in my humble opinion it takes a near prem side to get promoted. When Gud talks of Cardiff, and other, spending come january they will top up on what they have, we need to build rather than top up. We might be just two or three players short of giving it a good go in the playoffs but we are a dozen short of having any chance of survival in the premier division. A plan for promotion, as Gus is kinda suggesting, could take three years to come to fruition and I see this current season as year one. Sign a twenty year old lad who is showing quality traits, get him on ahtree eyar deal and he will still only be twenty. Players such as Zamora might get you there as part of the plan but would then be let go so we don't need too many Zamoras bu tthey do have role to play within the plan. I find this article very refreshing, I see it as a true evaluation as to where we are today and how we will proceed tomorrow. VegasSeagull
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1:33pm Wed 5 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
On a different article of yesterday's date I listed a whole bunch of players that I would let go and ones I expect the club to let go.once the window opens and before the start of next season. I am of the opinion that we do not have a big enough number of players good enough to play prem football and in my humble opinion it takes a near prem side to get promoted. When Gud talks of Cardiff, and other, spending come january they will top up on what they have, we need to build rather than top up. We might be just two or three players short of giving it a good go in the playoffs but we are a dozen short of having any chance of survival in the premier division. A plan for promotion, as Gus is kinda suggesting, could take three years to come to fruition and I see this current season as year one. Sign a twenty year old lad who is showing quality traits, get him on ahtree eyar deal and he will still only be twenty. Players such as Zamora might get you there as part of the plan but would then be let go so we don't need too many Zamoras bu tthey do have role to play within the plan. I find this article very refreshing, I see it as a true evaluation as to where we are today and how we will proceed tomorrow.
load sof typos, well it is only 5.15an here.
'Still only twenty three'
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: On a different article of yesterday's date I listed a whole bunch of players that I would let go and ones I expect the club to let go.once the window opens and before the start of next season. I am of the opinion that we do not have a big enough number of players good enough to play prem football and in my humble opinion it takes a near prem side to get promoted. When Gud talks of Cardiff, and other, spending come january they will top up on what they have, we need to build rather than top up. We might be just two or three players short of giving it a good go in the playoffs but we are a dozen short of having any chance of survival in the premier division. A plan for promotion, as Gus is kinda suggesting, could take three years to come to fruition and I see this current season as year one. Sign a twenty year old lad who is showing quality traits, get him on ahtree eyar deal and he will still only be twenty. Players such as Zamora might get you there as part of the plan but would then be let go so we don't need too many Zamoras bu tthey do have role to play within the plan. I find this article very refreshing, I see it as a true evaluation as to where we are today and how we will proceed tomorrow.[/p][/quote]load sof typos, well it is only 5.15an here. 'Still only twenty three' VegasSeagull
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1:50pm Wed 5 Dec 12

mark5 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
On a different article of yesterday's date I listed a whole bunch of players that I would let go and ones I expect the club to let go.once the window opens and before the start of next season.
I am of the opinion that we do not have a big enough number of players good enough to play prem football and in my humble opinion it takes a near prem side to get promoted.

When Gud talks of Cardiff, and other, spending come january they will top up on what they have, we need to build rather than top up.
We might be just two or three players short of giving it a good go in the playoffs but we are a dozen short of having any chance of survival in the premier division.

A plan for promotion, as Gus is kinda suggesting, could take three years to come to fruition and I see this current season as year one. Sign a twenty year old lad who is showing quality traits, get him on ahtree eyar deal and he will still only be twenty. Players such as Zamora might get you there as part of the plan but would then be let go so we don't need too many Zamoras bu tthey do have role to play within the plan.

I find this article very refreshing, I see it as a true evaluation as to where we are today and how we will proceed tomorrow.
I agree with much that you say, however, I am still mystified with the "quality"(at least that was the term that was frequently used) players we have brought in last year and this. Are we saying that this is some sort of "holding" team capable of ensuring our Championship status, with a mid to upper table finish? If so, does the real re-building for the Premiership start now and carry on next year etc? If so, this is not the impression I have had at all, this year and last. I agree though, that only a small number of the current squad are up to the next level. The question then is, have we signed poorly?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: On a different article of yesterday's date I listed a whole bunch of players that I would let go and ones I expect the club to let go.once the window opens and before the start of next season. I am of the opinion that we do not have a big enough number of players good enough to play prem football and in my humble opinion it takes a near prem side to get promoted. When Gud talks of Cardiff, and other, spending come january they will top up on what they have, we need to build rather than top up. We might be just two or three players short of giving it a good go in the playoffs but we are a dozen short of having any chance of survival in the premier division. A plan for promotion, as Gus is kinda suggesting, could take three years to come to fruition and I see this current season as year one. Sign a twenty year old lad who is showing quality traits, get him on ahtree eyar deal and he will still only be twenty. Players such as Zamora might get you there as part of the plan but would then be let go so we don't need too many Zamoras bu tthey do have role to play within the plan. I find this article very refreshing, I see it as a true evaluation as to where we are today and how we will proceed tomorrow.[/p][/quote]I agree with much that you say, however, I am still mystified with the "quality"(at least that was the term that was frequently used) players we have brought in last year and this. Are we saying that this is some sort of "holding" team capable of ensuring our Championship status, with a mid to upper table finish? If so, does the real re-building for the Premiership start now and carry on next year etc? If so, this is not the impression I have had at all, this year and last. I agree though, that only a small number of the current squad are up to the next level. The question then is, have we signed poorly? mark5
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2:03pm Wed 5 Dec 12

markymark03 says...

All this talk about money has got me asking myself a question...

"If you took the total amount of value and wages of our starting eleven, what era would a top flight team of the past would it be the equivalent to? A 90's Arsenal team for example."

Does anybody know?
All this talk about money has got me asking myself a question... "If you took the total amount of value and wages of our starting eleven, what era would a top flight team of the past would it be the equivalent to? A 90's Arsenal team for example." Does anybody know? markymark03
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2:47pm Wed 5 Dec 12

mr punch says...

markymark03 wrote:
All this talk about money has got me asking myself a question...

"If you took the total amount of value and wages of our starting eleven, what era would a top flight team of the past would it be the equivalent to? A 90's Arsenal team for example."

Does anybody know?
Interestng question Marky. I would have no idea but I'd take a 90's Arsenal team any day :)
[quote][p][bold]markymark03[/bold] wrote: All this talk about money has got me asking myself a question... "If you took the total amount of value and wages of our starting eleven, what era would a top flight team of the past would it be the equivalent to? A 90's Arsenal team for example." Does anybody know?[/p][/quote]Interestng question Marky. I would have no idea but I'd take a 90's Arsenal team any day :) mr punch
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2:56pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Dr Baldhead says...

Hi Ballantrrae

I think El-Abd will still be under contract in June, and I expect that GG will get an extension. I hope long term deals are in the offing for Bridcutt and Buckley too.

January will be key. If we by a decent striker (in the way that Reading went and got Jason Roberts) we stand a chance of the play-offs. Part of me thinks, go for it as it is an open league again this year, but I think realistically that the squad has limitations and isn't ready. I also think that there is a danger of us being approached in Jan for our existing players with CMS, Buckley and Bridcutt the ones most likely to attract bids. I'd let the former go for the right price, but would battle to retain Bucks and Bridders.
Hi Ballantrrae I think El-Abd will still be under contract in June, and I expect that GG will get an extension. I hope long term deals are in the offing for Bridcutt and Buckley too. January will be key. If we by a decent striker (in the way that Reading went and got Jason Roberts) we stand a chance of the play-offs. Part of me thinks, go for it as it is an open league again this year, but I think realistically that the squad has limitations and isn't ready. I also think that there is a danger of us being approached in Jan for our existing players with CMS, Buckley and Bridcutt the ones most likely to attract bids. I'd let the former go for the right price, but would battle to retain Bucks and Bridders. Dr Baldhead
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3:33pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Nathan L says...

Aldrington actually wrote:
Great news,sounds like gus is planning for the future in bringing in some key players for the team with premiership quality,does this mean barnes is going?.
No because Barnes is a good striker in the championship, is young and is a key part of the team. He played some very good balls against palace the other day that people failed to captitalize on, and his only mistake really was a header he directed at federici rather than getting it in. Barnes is a very good player and people who write him off are more than happy to cheer him when he scores the winners. Lets hope he proves everyone wrong again against charlton.
[quote][p][bold]Aldrington actually[/bold] wrote: Great news,sounds like gus is planning for the future in bringing in some key players for the team with premiership quality,does this mean barnes is going?.[/p][/quote]No because Barnes is a good striker in the championship, is young and is a key part of the team. He played some very good balls against palace the other day that people failed to captitalize on, and his only mistake really was a header he directed at federici rather than getting it in. Barnes is a very good player and people who write him off are more than happy to cheer him when he scores the winners. Lets hope he proves everyone wrong again against charlton. Nathan L
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3:58pm Wed 5 Dec 12

smilingseagull says...

same story different year.
same story different year. smilingseagull
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4:03pm Wed 5 Dec 12

tinker111 says...

Guess we are out of it then cant keep pace with those how want to spend on good players ,Yes we have wasted money ,(gus has wasted) on average players so here's to next season in Champ least we wont get thumped week in week out in Prem
Guess we are out of it then cant keep pace with those how want to spend on good players ,Yes we have wasted money ,(gus has wasted) on average players so here's to next season in Champ least we wont get thumped week in week out in Prem tinker111
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4:03pm Wed 5 Dec 12

tinker111 says...

Guess we are out of it then cant keep pace with those how want to spend on good players ,Yes we have wasted money ,(gus has wasted) on average players so here's to next season in Champ least we wont get thumped week in week out in Prem
Guess we are out of it then cant keep pace with those how want to spend on good players ,Yes we have wasted money ,(gus has wasted) on average players so here's to next season in Champ least we wont get thumped week in week out in Prem tinker111
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4:20pm Wed 5 Dec 12

pjwilk says...

Good that we might have some cash for players,but does Gus know what sort of players we need.He does not seem to be getting the right sort of player.We need hard working team players,a good midfielder like Nobby Horton and a rampaging centre foreward like Bobby Smith who had a good left foot a good right foot and a bullet header.
Good that we might have some cash for players,but does Gus know what sort of players we need.He does not seem to be getting the right sort of player.We need hard working team players,a good midfielder like Nobby Horton and a rampaging centre foreward like Bobby Smith who had a good left foot a good right foot and a bullet header. pjwilk
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4:34pm Wed 5 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

mark5 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: On a different article of yesterday's date I listed a whole bunch of players that I would let go and ones I expect the club to let go.once the window opens and before the start of next season. I am of the opinion that we do not have a big enough number of players good enough to play prem football and in my humble opinion it takes a near prem side to get promoted. When Gud talks of Cardiff, and other, spending come january they will top up on what they have, we need to build rather than top up. We might be just two or three players short of giving it a good go in the playoffs but we are a dozen short of having any chance of survival in the premier division. A plan for promotion, as Gus is kinda suggesting, could take three years to come to fruition and I see this current season as year one. Sign a twenty year old lad who is showing quality traits, get him on ahtree eyar deal and he will still only be twenty. Players such as Zamora might get you there as part of the plan but would then be let go so we don't need too many Zamoras bu tthey do have role to play within the plan. I find this article very refreshing, I see it as a true evaluation as to where we are today and how we will proceed tomorrow.
I agree with much that you say, however, I am still mystified with the "quality"(at least that was the term that was frequently used) players we have brought in last year and this. Are we saying that this is some sort of "holding" team capable of ensuring our Championship status, with a mid to upper table finish? If so, does the real re-building for the Premiership start now and carry on next year etc? If so, this is not the impression I have had at all, this year and last. I agree though, that only a small number of the current squad are up to the next level. The question then is, have we signed poorly?
I think that the term, 'holding team,' is the correct one, you can't build a prem squad in a year or two years. I suppose one could do it if money was no object but we are not in that position.

I think the build for the prem has started and will continue this season with longer term contracts being offered to a very limited number of players.
January will see some leave, others will be told that they have no future with Brighton and will move on when they can, similar to the Vincelot and Sparrow situation.

To my way of thinking Brighton are a prem club without a prem team. The new training ground is another step toward our goal, the administrative side of the club is packed with good people. We have a good medical set up and a great fan base and of course we have the Amex stadium.

Time, money and fan patience is needed to get where we want to be and if it takes three years then so be it. Brighton can't go out and spend 50 million in a year but over maybe three years we could spend half that and then finish the building of the prem team with the money gained by getting promoted.

A holding team keeps us up there and gives us time to build.
[quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: On a different article of yesterday's date I listed a whole bunch of players that I would let go and ones I expect the club to let go.once the window opens and before the start of next season. I am of the opinion that we do not have a big enough number of players good enough to play prem football and in my humble opinion it takes a near prem side to get promoted. When Gud talks of Cardiff, and other, spending come january they will top up on what they have, we need to build rather than top up. We might be just two or three players short of giving it a good go in the playoffs but we are a dozen short of having any chance of survival in the premier division. A plan for promotion, as Gus is kinda suggesting, could take three years to come to fruition and I see this current season as year one. Sign a twenty year old lad who is showing quality traits, get him on ahtree eyar deal and he will still only be twenty. Players such as Zamora might get you there as part of the plan but would then be let go so we don't need too many Zamoras bu tthey do have role to play within the plan. I find this article very refreshing, I see it as a true evaluation as to where we are today and how we will proceed tomorrow.[/p][/quote]I agree with much that you say, however, I am still mystified with the "quality"(at least that was the term that was frequently used) players we have brought in last year and this. Are we saying that this is some sort of "holding" team capable of ensuring our Championship status, with a mid to upper table finish? If so, does the real re-building for the Premiership start now and carry on next year etc? If so, this is not the impression I have had at all, this year and last. I agree though, that only a small number of the current squad are up to the next level. The question then is, have we signed poorly?[/p][/quote]I think that the term, 'holding team,' is the correct one, you can't build a prem squad in a year or two years. I suppose one could do it if money was no object but we are not in that position. I think the build for the prem has started and will continue this season with longer term contracts being offered to a very limited number of players. January will see some leave, others will be told that they have no future with Brighton and will move on when they can, similar to the Vincelot and Sparrow situation. To my way of thinking Brighton are a prem club without a prem team. The new training ground is another step toward our goal, the administrative side of the club is packed with good people. We have a good medical set up and a great fan base and of course we have the Amex stadium. Time, money and fan patience is needed to get where we want to be and if it takes three years then so be it. Brighton can't go out and spend 50 million in a year but over maybe three years we could spend half that and then finish the building of the prem team with the money gained by getting promoted. A holding team keeps us up there and gives us time to build. VegasSeagull
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4:45pm Wed 5 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Mark 5, you ask, 'did we buy poorly,' I think not if you consider the longer term plan.
Look at where we finished last year and consider the fact that we have been in the top ten all this season. Those bought in have us where we are and will keep us there. True, most are not prem players but they were not bought as such.
Mark 5, you ask, 'did we buy poorly,' I think not if you consider the longer term plan. Look at where we finished last year and consider the fact that we have been in the top ten all this season. Those bought in have us where we are and will keep us there. True, most are not prem players but they were not bought as such. VegasSeagull
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4:49pm Wed 5 Dec 12

ballantrrae says...

CanfieldRob wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Glad to see that Poyet is planning beyond January and looking to next June.
Given that it takes players joining the Albion time to adapt to our playing style this makes sense. When Noone first joined two years ago Poyet introduced him slowly and tactically. Then at the beginning of our first season in the Championship it was Noone who was the form player.
In terms of signings this January I am expecting/hoping for a CB to join us as well as the much talked about striker/target man. Personally I hope we also acquire another full back with Bridge's loan ending and others such as Calde and Painter coming out of contract in the summer. Indeed how many of our current defence will still be under contract at the end of June ? The only ones I am sure about are Kuszczak and Bruno. Finally I wouldn't mind another winger/midfield playmaker to replace Vicente who whether he plays or not this season is bound to leave in the summer.
Whilst this long term 'wish list' mentions 4 players I only really expect 2 at most to join in January. Thoughts anyone eg Captain Haddock, Hovite, Dr Baldhead, Fairweathersupporter


, VegasSeagull, MBTS, Farside and other regular posters ?
Anyone else think that Tom Pope, sticking them away regularly at Port Vale might be worth a punt?
Why not CanfieldRob. People sometimes forget where we signed Murray from (Rochdale) and he is not exactly having a bad season at the moment.
Pope should certainly be a less expensive option than someone from the Premiership and on that basis might be worth a punt to use your words.
Another option might be to sign someone on the fringes of a good European (Spanish ?) club where I have heard that the Albion feel there might be better value than here.
The key will be to find a good partner for CMS always assuming he doesn't leave.
One other thought. No doubt Poyet's budget will be effected by who leaves eg Sparrow, Harley, Vincelot (his loan to Gillingham ends in Jan).
[quote][p][bold]CanfieldRob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Glad to see that Poyet is planning beyond January and looking to next June. Given that it takes players joining the Albion time to adapt to our playing style this makes sense. When Noone first joined two years ago Poyet introduced him slowly and tactically. Then at the beginning of our first season in the Championship it was Noone who was the form player. In terms of signings this January I am expecting/hoping for a CB to join us as well as the much talked about striker/target man. Personally I hope we also acquire another full back with Bridge's loan ending and others such as Calde and Painter coming out of contract in the summer. Indeed how many of our current defence will still be under contract at the end of June ? The only ones I am sure about are Kuszczak and Bruno. Finally I wouldn't mind another winger/midfield playmaker to replace Vicente who whether he plays or not this season is bound to leave in the summer. Whilst this long term 'wish list' mentions 4 players I only really expect 2 at most to join in January. Thoughts anyone eg Captain Haddock, Hovite, Dr Baldhead, Fairweathersupporter , VegasSeagull, MBTS, Farside and other regular posters ?[/p][/quote]Anyone else think that Tom Pope, sticking them away regularly at Port Vale might be worth a punt?[/p][/quote]Why not CanfieldRob. People sometimes forget where we signed Murray from (Rochdale) and he is not exactly having a bad season at the moment. Pope should certainly be a less expensive option than someone from the Premiership and on that basis might be worth a punt to use your words. Another option might be to sign someone on the fringes of a good European (Spanish ?) club where I have heard that the Albion feel there might be better value than here. The key will be to find a good partner for CMS always assuming he doesn't leave. One other thought. No doubt Poyet's budget will be effected by who leaves eg Sparrow, Harley, Vincelot (his loan to Gillingham ends in Jan). ballantrrae
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4:58pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Howie2 says...

Good post from Vegas. We are not in any position to hold our own in the Premier division. We will have to be patient and build a better team for a few more years. If we go up too soon we will come straight back down and that won't please anyone. Be patient and trust in Gus.
Good post from Vegas. We are not in any position to hold our own in the Premier division. We will have to be patient and build a better team for a few more years. If we go up too soon we will come straight back down and that won't please anyone. Be patient and trust in Gus. Howie2
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4:59pm Wed 5 Dec 12

ballantrrae says...

Dr Baldhead wrote:
Hi Ballantrrae

I think El-Abd will still be under contract in June, and I expect that GG will get an extension. I hope long term deals are in the offing for Bridcutt and Buckley too.

January will be key. If we by a decent striker (in the way that Reading went and got Jason Roberts) we stand a chance of the play-offs. Part of me thinks, go for it as it is an open league again this year, but I think realistically that the squad has limitations and isn't ready. I also think that there is a danger of us being approached in Jan for our existing players with CMS, Buckley and Bridcutt the ones most likely to attract bids. I'd let the former go for the right price, but would battle to retain Bucks and Bridders.
Interesting thoughts Dr B especially re CMS who might just not be quite right for our style great player and hard working professional that he is. Perhaps Norwich will come calling again.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Baldhead[/bold] wrote: Hi Ballantrrae I think El-Abd will still be under contract in June, and I expect that GG will get an extension. I hope long term deals are in the offing for Bridcutt and Buckley too. January will be key. If we by a decent striker (in the way that Reading went and got Jason Roberts) we stand a chance of the play-offs. Part of me thinks, go for it as it is an open league again this year, but I think realistically that the squad has limitations and isn't ready. I also think that there is a danger of us being approached in Jan for our existing players with CMS, Buckley and Bridcutt the ones most likely to attract bids. I'd let the former go for the right price, but would battle to retain Bucks and Bridders.[/p][/quote]Interesting thoughts Dr B especially re CMS who might just not be quite right for our style great player and hard working professional that he is. Perhaps Norwich will come calling again. ballantrrae
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5:17pm Wed 5 Dec 12

mark5 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark 5, you ask, 'did we buy poorly,' I think not if you consider the longer term plan.
Look at where we finished last year and consider the fact that we have been in the top ten all this season. Those bought in have us where we are and will keep us there. True, most are not prem players but they were not bought as such.
Yes, i agree with you and this is a realistic interpretation of the "real" situation. However, I still believe that many of the players who have been signed in the last season and a half, were proclaimed to be of the standard to get us to the Premiership and to compete there too! This is clearly not the case and I do think money has been spent unwisely and in bucket loads too!! However, I guess supporters of other clubs will be looking at some of their clubs signings and thinking the same things!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark 5, you ask, 'did we buy poorly,' I think not if you consider the longer term plan. Look at where we finished last year and consider the fact that we have been in the top ten all this season. Those bought in have us where we are and will keep us there. True, most are not prem players but they were not bought as such.[/p][/quote]Yes, i agree with you and this is a realistic interpretation of the "real" situation. However, I still believe that many of the players who have been signed in the last season and a half, were proclaimed to be of the standard to get us to the Premiership and to compete there too! This is clearly not the case and I do think money has been spent unwisely and in bucket loads too!! However, I guess supporters of other clubs will be looking at some of their clubs signings and thinking the same things! mark5
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5:32pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

mark5 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: Mark 5, you ask, 'did we buy poorly,' I think not if you consider the longer term plan. Look at where we finished last year and consider the fact that we have been in the top ten all this season. Those bought in have us where we are and will keep us there. True, most are not prem players but they were not bought as such.
Yes, i agree with you and this is a realistic interpretation of the "real" situation. However, I still believe that many of the players who have been signed in the last season and a half, were proclaimed to be of the standard to get us to the Premiership and to compete there too! This is clearly not the case and I do think money has been spent unwisely and in bucket loads too!! However, I guess supporters of other clubs will be looking at some of their clubs signings and thinking the same things!
I agree there have been some questionable signings given the club's own stated ambition of making Premiership sooner rather than later - especially when they end up sitting on their backsides because they aren't judged good enough for the Championship, never mind the Premiership.
As to building slowly, all well and good - so long as you don't keep having to sell the best players along the way! Could go on like that for an eternity...
[quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark 5, you ask, 'did we buy poorly,' I think not if you consider the longer term plan. Look at where we finished last year and consider the fact that we have been in the top ten all this season. Those bought in have us where we are and will keep us there. True, most are not prem players but they were not bought as such.[/p][/quote]Yes, i agree with you and this is a realistic interpretation of the "real" situation. However, I still believe that many of the players who have been signed in the last season and a half, were proclaimed to be of the standard to get us to the Premiership and to compete there too! This is clearly not the case and I do think money has been spent unwisely and in bucket loads too!! However, I guess supporters of other clubs will be looking at some of their clubs signings and thinking the same things![/p][/quote]I agree there have been some questionable signings given the club's own stated ambition of making Premiership sooner rather than later - especially when they end up sitting on their backsides because they aren't judged good enough for the Championship, never mind the Premiership. As to building slowly, all well and good - so long as you don't keep having to sell the best players along the way! Could go on like that for an eternity... Willie, Willie Irvine
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5:38pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

mark5 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Mark 5, you ask, 'did we buy poorly,' I think not if you consider the longer term plan.
Look at where we finished last year and consider the fact that we have been in the top ten all this season. Those bought in have us where we are and will keep us there. True, most are not prem players but they were not bought as such.
Yes, i agree with you and this is a realistic interpretation of the "real" situation. However, I still believe that many of the players who have been signed in the last season and a half, were proclaimed to be of the standard to get us to the Premiership and to compete there too! This is clearly not the case and I do think money has been spent unwisely and in bucket loads too!! However, I guess supporters of other clubs will be looking at some of their clubs signings and thinking the same things!
Will be interesting to see what striker we get and how much we pay for him,but the real acid test will be to see if he is any better than the one we let go for nothing. I suspect TB will be watching with interest.
[quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark 5, you ask, 'did we buy poorly,' I think not if you consider the longer term plan. Look at where we finished last year and consider the fact that we have been in the top ten all this season. Those bought in have us where we are and will keep us there. True, most are not prem players but they were not bought as such.[/p][/quote]Yes, i agree with you and this is a realistic interpretation of the "real" situation. However, I still believe that many of the players who have been signed in the last season and a half, were proclaimed to be of the standard to get us to the Premiership and to compete there too! This is clearly not the case and I do think money has been spent unwisely and in bucket loads too!! However, I guess supporters of other clubs will be looking at some of their clubs signings and thinking the same things![/p][/quote]Will be interesting to see what striker we get and how much we pay for him,but the real acid test will be to see if he is any better than the one we let go for nothing. I suspect TB will be watching with interest. Alfie T
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5:40pm Wed 5 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

mark5 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: Mark 5, you ask, 'did we buy poorly,' I think not if you consider the longer term plan. Look at where we finished last year and consider the fact that we have been in the top ten all this season. Those bought in have us where we are and will keep us there. True, most are not prem players but they were not bought as such.
Yes, i agree with you and this is a realistic interpretation of the "real" situation. However, I still believe that many of the players who have been signed in the last season and a half, were proclaimed to be of the standard to get us to the Premiership and to compete there too! This is clearly not the case and I do think money has been spent unwisely and in bucket loads too!! However, I guess supporters of other clubs will be looking at some of their clubs signings and thinking the same things!
Mark are you saying that Bruno and Orlandi are not good enough for the prem, I think that I would argue that one and how about our shot stopper?

Yes not all are or will be prem quality but as I said, I doubt that is why they were bought.
[quote][p][bold]mark5[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Mark 5, you ask, 'did we buy poorly,' I think not if you consider the longer term plan. Look at where we finished last year and consider the fact that we have been in the top ten all this season. Those bought in have us where we are and will keep us there. True, most are not prem players but they were not bought as such.[/p][/quote]Yes, i agree with you and this is a realistic interpretation of the "real" situation. However, I still believe that many of the players who have been signed in the last season and a half, were proclaimed to be of the standard to get us to the Premiership and to compete there too! This is clearly not the case and I do think money has been spent unwisely and in bucket loads too!! However, I guess supporters of other clubs will be looking at some of their clubs signings and thinking the same things![/p][/quote]Mark are you saying that Bruno and Orlandi are not good enough for the prem, I think that I would argue that one and how about our shot stopper? Yes not all are or will be prem quality but as I said, I doubt that is why they were bought. VegasSeagull
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5:47pm Wed 5 Dec 12

IRISHGULL says...

Hovite wrote:
It’s about getting the right players, that’s the tricky bit ballantrrae. How do you get a player like Fellaini to the club?

I did believe a Bobby Z loan in January from lowly QPR was a possibility but he is now injured, so even if he was being lined up it’s been thrown out of the window, unless he is exaggerating the problem to make QPR think that he is surplus to their future.

Shame about our defense injuries, and the red card, making it four out, and has made this an issue, but hopefully this will be resolved soon with the players coming back fit. A really good CB would only come here if he was guaranteed a regular first team place, not just a backup for emergencies.

In all cases it would be hard to compete with most other clubs because the reality is that Tony Bloom is not the richest chairman in football and he hasn’t had any of the windfalls of the majority of the clubs in the Prem and Champ .

Contrary to belief the club is in debt and we have got to calculate our way out of the division rather than buy our way out of it.

The good thing is we are doing well and are still in it. The fat lady isn't putting on her makeup yet, yet alone singing.
hovite i just read this article, and the two names that came into my head were zamora and get mr bennett back on loan from norwich you would then have a side to be feared by everybody in the championship
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: It’s about getting the right players, that’s the tricky bit ballantrrae. How do you get a player like Fellaini to the club? I did believe a Bobby Z loan in January from lowly QPR was a possibility but he is now injured, so even if he was being lined up it’s been thrown out of the window, unless he is exaggerating the problem to make QPR think that he is surplus to their future. Shame about our defense injuries, and the red card, making it four out, and has made this an issue, but hopefully this will be resolved soon with the players coming back fit. A really good CB would only come here if he was guaranteed a regular first team place, not just a backup for emergencies. In all cases it would be hard to compete with most other clubs because the reality is that Tony Bloom is not the richest chairman in football and he hasn’t had any of the windfalls of the majority of the clubs in the Prem and Champ . Contrary to belief the club is in debt and we have got to calculate our way out of the division rather than buy our way out of it. The good thing is we are doing well and are still in it. The fat lady isn't putting on her makeup yet, yet alone singing.[/p][/quote]hovite i just read this article, and the two names that came into my head were zamora and get mr bennett back on loan from norwich you would then have a side to be feared by everybody in the championship IRISHGULL
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5:52pm Wed 5 Dec 12

DESLYNHAMSMOUSTACHE says...

What we all must remember is that £30 million odd quid is being spent on the second most important thing (Amex being the first) in the clubs history, namely the academy/training ground. Yes we need a top striker, yes we need midfield flare, probably a new CB, but it’s the academy that will sustain this club in the top flight in 5-10 years’ time and beyond. We will continue to improve. We will continue to pick up quality players and I’ve Got a feeling that TB will splash the cash just a little in January with the calculated gamble that he can fill a lot of the new seats at the Amex come March. Patience and the rewards will be ours.
What we all must remember is that £30 million odd quid is being spent on the second most important thing (Amex being the first) in the clubs history, namely the academy/training ground. Yes we need a top striker, yes we need midfield flare, probably a new CB, but it’s the academy that will sustain this club in the top flight in 5-10 years’ time and beyond. We will continue to improve. We will continue to pick up quality players and I’ve Got a feeling that TB will splash the cash just a little in January with the calculated gamble that he can fill a lot of the new seats at the Amex come March. Patience and the rewards will be ours. DESLYNHAMSMOUSTACHE
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5:53pm Wed 5 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Mark if Poyet is working to a long term plan, and this article suggests that he is, I reckon the man would tell you that all players are signed with long term futures with Brighton ahead of them.

Dobbie came on a three year deal, the expiration of his contract could coincide with the promotion target year. Orlandi, Bruno and Kuzach will surely get new contract offers to take them to three years down the road. CMS, Bridcutt and Buckley like wise.

If they are the backbone upon which the main body will be built it seems logical to say that the other players, new or old, are what I would call, consolidation players. Their role is to keep us on track and nothing more. Hammond and David, both good players at our current level but I doubt either of them would say that they are prem standard. Crofts and Calde, again two decent players but again if asked, I doubt they would say, 'yeah I belong in the prem.'

It's a slow process, maybe one or two nuggets in a year show up but we still need to maintain our top ten status and that's what the others give us.
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Mark if Poyet is working to a long term plan, and this article suggests that he is, I reckon the man would tell you that all players are signed with long term futures with Brighton ahead of them. Dobbie came on a three year deal, the expiration of his contract could coincide with the promotion target year. Orlandi, Bruno and Kuzach will surely get new contract offers to take them to three years down the road. CMS, Bridcutt and Buckley like wise. If they are the backbone upon which the main body will be built it seems logical to say that the other players, new or old, are what I would call, consolidation players. Their role is to keep us on track and nothing more. Hammond and David, both good players at our current level but I doubt either of them would say that they are prem standard. Crofts and Calde, again two decent players but again if asked, I doubt they would say, 'yeah I belong in the prem.' It's a slow process, maybe one or two nuggets in a year show up but we still need to maintain our top ten status and that's what the others give us. . VegasSeagull
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6:08pm Wed 5 Dec 12

championshipgull says...

The way I read this is, if we get some more premier league quality in January we won’t have to acquire so many players in the summer if we get promoted and if we don’t get promoted the new quality can help us in next years promotion push. But it is clear to me, no team in this division in its current state would survive in the premier league. All 3 of the clubs that go up will need major investment.
The way I read this is, if we get some more premier league quality in January we won’t have to acquire so many players in the summer if we get promoted and if we don’t get promoted the new quality can help us in next years promotion push. But it is clear to me, no team in this division in its current state would survive in the premier league. All 3 of the clubs that go up will need major investment. championshipgull
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6:08pm Wed 5 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

I know that I am posting a lot today, and I also know that it annoys some so I will say sorry now.

The reason this article has got me so interested is that it's the first time Gus has revealed what he is really thinking. I also think that this article builds on the one where he stated that we are not yet ready for the prem.

Gus and Bloom obviously have a plan and today we became privy to what that plan is, and I don't think it includes promotion this year or next. There is a certain amount of honesty in this story, something that has been a tad lacking in some areas.
I get the impression that Gus and Bloom truely believe that Brighton could be big, very big. When we do get promotion I think that they see that as the start of a new era for the club, and I think they both know that they will do it together, Gus is going nowhere in the near future.
Gus might talk of a two or three eyar plan to get promoted but I have a feeling that Bloom is looking ten years ahead, Europe qualification and more. To go up and straight down would put us back years, we would have to start again and I don't think Bloom wants that. Gus might drive the team but Bloom is definitely the one driving the club.

Again so sorry for so many postings.
I know that I am posting a lot today, and I also know that it annoys some so I will say sorry now. The reason this article has got me so interested is that it's the first time Gus has revealed what he is really thinking. I also think that this article builds on the one where he stated that we are not yet ready for the prem. Gus and Bloom obviously have a plan and today we became privy to what that plan is, and I don't think it includes promotion this year or next. There is a certain amount of honesty in this story, something that has been a tad lacking in some areas. I get the impression that Gus and Bloom truely believe that Brighton could be big, very big. When we do get promotion I think that they see that as the start of a new era for the club, and I think they both know that they will do it together, Gus is going nowhere in the near future. Gus might talk of a two or three eyar plan to get promoted but I have a feeling that Bloom is looking ten years ahead, Europe qualification and more. To go up and straight down would put us back years, we would have to start again and I don't think Bloom wants that. Gus might drive the team but Bloom is definitely the one driving the club. Again so sorry for so many postings. VegasSeagull
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6:10pm Wed 5 Dec 12

namgo49 says...

We shall be thereabouts but not there, irrespective of signings. We have an inflexible playing style doomed to failure I'm afraid. Teams reseach us and know how to play us. Most cope, some don't and that means we won't be consistently winning games which is, of course, what you have to do.
We shall be thereabouts but not there, irrespective of signings. We have an inflexible playing style doomed to failure I'm afraid. Teams reseach us and know how to play us. Most cope, some don't and that means we won't be consistently winning games which is, of course, what you have to do. namgo49
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6:24pm Wed 5 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

namgo49 wrote:
We shall be thereabouts but not there, irrespective of signings. We have an inflexible playing style doomed to failure I'm afraid. Teams reseach us and know how to play us. Most cope, some don't and that means we won't be consistently winning games which is, of course, what you have to do.
Would you not agree that you have to start somewhere?
Yes Gus has a style that he wants the team to adopt but that style is very similar to what one sees in the prem.

As better players come in the style will improve and some adaptation will be possible, right now we don't even have 18 players that can hit the ground running a game and game out. We do see flashes of what he is aiming for, Wednesday and Bolton will tell you that.

Promotion is like a marathon and nothing like a 200 yards sprint. Be patient and keep the faith.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: We shall be thereabouts but not there, irrespective of signings. We have an inflexible playing style doomed to failure I'm afraid. Teams reseach us and know how to play us. Most cope, some don't and that means we won't be consistently winning games which is, of course, what you have to do.[/p][/quote]Would you not agree that you have to start somewhere? Yes Gus has a style that he wants the team to adopt but that style is very similar to what one sees in the prem. As better players come in the style will improve and some adaptation will be possible, right now we don't even have 18 players that can hit the ground running a game and game out. We do see flashes of what he is aiming for, Wednesday and Bolton will tell you that. Promotion is like a marathon and nothing like a 200 yards sprint. Be patient and keep the faith. VegasSeagull
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6:42pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Hovite says...

Doomed to failure, are you for real or just a windup namgo49?

Get a grip!
Doomed to failure, are you for real or just a windup namgo49? Get a grip! Hovite
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6:46pm Wed 5 Dec 12

pauldanno says...

Vaz Te from West Ham is not getting a game at the moment, and he contributed to their promotion last season.
Vaz Te from West Ham is not getting a game at the moment, and he contributed to their promotion last season. pauldanno
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6:49pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

namgo49 wrote:
We shall be thereabouts but not there, irrespective of signings. We have an inflexible playing style doomed to failure I'm afraid. Teams reseach us and know how to play us. Most cope, some don't and that means we won't be consistently winning games which is, of course, what you have to do.
What utter tripe, did you watch the Bolton match,probably not. A team of ex premiership players who had no answer to the football we played on the day.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: We shall be thereabouts but not there, irrespective of signings. We have an inflexible playing style doomed to failure I'm afraid. Teams reseach us and know how to play us. Most cope, some don't and that means we won't be consistently winning games which is, of course, what you have to do.[/p][/quote]What utter tripe, did you watch the Bolton match,probably not. A team of ex premiership players who had no answer to the football we played on the day. Alfie T
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7:25pm Wed 5 Dec 12

championshipgull says...

Vegas. I don’ no if you were about when this article was written. I thing it could have been before you came out the desert but here is an excerpt from it.
“Like all the other teams in the Championship, we’d like to be in the Premiership next season. That should be the aim of all Championship clubs and is certainly our aim. But it’s not easy to achieve.
“We just want to be as successful as we can be and get to the Premiership as quickly as possible. Meanwhile, we’ll work hard, work as a team and see where that gets us.” Tony Bloom Aug 2011.

http://sussex.greatb
ritishlife.co.uk/art
icle/interview-with-
brighton-and-hove-al
bion-chairman-tony-b
loom-35089/

Anyway it gives good insight into Tony’s thinking and always worth another read to remind our self’s where we are going. As quickly as possible.
Vegas. I don’ no if you were about when this article was written. I thing it could have been before you came out the desert but here is an excerpt from it. “Like all the other teams in the Championship, we’d like to be in the Premiership next season. That should be the aim of all Championship clubs and is certainly our aim. But it’s not easy to achieve. “We just want to be as successful as we can be and get to the Premiership as quickly as possible. Meanwhile, we’ll work hard, work as a team and see where that gets us.” Tony Bloom Aug 2011. http://sussex.greatb ritishlife.co.uk/art icle/interview-with- brighton-and-hove-al bion-chairman-tony-b loom-35089/ Anyway it gives good insight into Tony’s thinking and always worth another read to remind our self’s where we are going. As quickly as possible. championshipgull
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8:06pm Wed 5 Dec 12

tonytowner1 says...

I'd spend some of the cash on mindset training!!
I'd spend some of the cash on mindset training!! tonytowner1
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8:21pm Wed 5 Dec 12

championshipgull says...

Sorry about the grammar/ spelling. I've started on the mulled wine.
Sorry about the grammar/ spelling. I've started on the mulled wine. championshipgull
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9:06pm Wed 5 Dec 12

namgo49 says...

Alfie T wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
We shall be thereabouts but not there, irrespective of signings. We have an inflexible playing style doomed to failure I'm afraid. Teams reseach us and know how to play us. Most cope, some don't and that means we won't be consistently winning games which is, of course, what you have to do.
What utter tripe, did you watch the Bolton match,probably not. A team of ex premiership players who had no answer to the football we played on the day.
Yes I did and ............we drew. I rest my case.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: We shall be thereabouts but not there, irrespective of signings. We have an inflexible playing style doomed to failure I'm afraid. Teams reseach us and know how to play us. Most cope, some don't and that means we won't be consistently winning games which is, of course, what you have to do.[/p][/quote]What utter tripe, did you watch the Bolton match,probably not. A team of ex premiership players who had no answer to the football we played on the day.[/p][/quote]Yes I did and ............we drew. I rest my case. namgo49
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9:24pm Wed 5 Dec 12

SMF20 says...

I'm not sure i buy in to the consolidation years theory for a number of reasons. If we are really planning to be in the Championship for years then why take players like Bruno, Kuz on permanent contracts when a cheaper alternative more than capable of keeping us in this division could have been acquired. Why Bridge on loan for a substantial Albion wage when a lesser player could have done a job and why bring in the second batch of 4 when we were already stronger as a squad given the initial 4 to sign. I'd add that it's not just a case of keeping hold of players that are desirable to other clubs either... There are others such as Bruno, Greer, Bridge and Kuz that will soon be in the twilight of their careers.
I genuinely believe that due to all of the above the management team including the board are looking for a little more than consolidation.
One final thought. GP mentioned only a couple of weeks ago that he would like us to help Bruno get to the Premiership. Would he have said that or need to with Bruno on only a 2 year deal? It's all food for thought.
Either way, I'm enjoying the ride, loving The Amex and am extremely proud of our great club and the strides we have made.
Uta
I'm not sure i buy in to the consolidation years theory for a number of reasons. If we are really planning to be in the Championship for years then why take players like Bruno, Kuz on permanent contracts when a cheaper alternative more than capable of keeping us in this division could have been acquired. Why Bridge on loan for a substantial Albion wage when a lesser player could have done a job and why bring in the second batch of 4 when we were already stronger as a squad given the initial 4 to sign. I'd add that it's not just a case of keeping hold of players that are desirable to other clubs either... There are others such as Bruno, Greer, Bridge and Kuz that will soon be in the twilight of their careers. I genuinely believe that due to all of the above the management team including the board are looking for a little more than consolidation. One final thought. GP mentioned only a couple of weeks ago that he would like us to help Bruno get to the Premiership. Would he have said that or need to with Bruno on only a 2 year deal? It's all food for thought. Either way, I'm enjoying the ride, loving The Amex and am extremely proud of our great club and the strides we have made. Uta SMF20
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9:59pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Hovite says...

Agree SMF20, the TK and Bruno contracts hint at our ambition to make it to the Prem within two seasons.

In any case we are doing better than the relegated Prem sides with parachute payments, so against the financial odds we are doing something right. Even if it's not perfect. yet!
Agree SMF20, the TK and Bruno contracts hint at our ambition to make it to the Prem within two seasons. In any case we are doing better than the relegated Prem sides with parachute payments, so against the financial odds we are doing something right. Even if it's not perfect. yet! Hovite
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10:29pm Wed 5 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

namgo49 wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
namgo49 wrote:
We shall be thereabouts but not there, irrespective of signings. We have an inflexible playing style doomed to failure I'm afraid. Teams reseach us and know how to play us. Most cope, some don't and that means we won't be consistently winning games which is, of course, what you have to do.
What utter tripe, did you watch the Bolton match,probably not. A team of ex premiership players who had no answer to the football we played on the day.
Yes I did and ............we drew. I rest my case.
We did draw the match, but the football was stunning at times, if that doesn't do it for you, then your not a football fan.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: We shall be thereabouts but not there, irrespective of signings. We have an inflexible playing style doomed to failure I'm afraid. Teams reseach us and know how to play us. Most cope, some don't and that means we won't be consistently winning games which is, of course, what you have to do.[/p][/quote]What utter tripe, did you watch the Bolton match,probably not. A team of ex premiership players who had no answer to the football we played on the day.[/p][/quote]Yes I did and ............we drew. I rest my case.[/p][/quote]We did draw the match, but the football was stunning at times, if that doesn't do it for you, then your not a football fan. Alfie T
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3:37am Thu 6 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

SMF20
Why take the likes of TK and Bruno on longer term deals, well because they, along with maybe four others, are what our team will be built upon.

The two you mentioned could do well at the higher level, we probably have three or four others that would too and longer term contracts will be offered to them, if they are not already on them.

We must have more than half the team capable of playing in the prem by the time we get there, and some quality backups too, surely you don't expect the club to be able to buy the whole lot in one season, do you?

We all wan tpromotion now but that's our hearts speaking, our heads should understand that nothing happens just because we want it to.

Bloom said that we will look for promotion as soon as we can, in fact we are looking for it every season, or words to that effect, but what would we expect him to say. The man is not a fool, he knows what we have and what we don't have, ergo, he knows what we still need.
SMF20 Why take the likes of TK and Bruno on longer term deals, well because they, along with maybe four others, are what our team will be built upon. The two you mentioned could do well at the higher level, we probably have three or four others that would too and longer term contracts will be offered to them, if they are not already on them. We must have more than half the team capable of playing in the prem by the time we get there, and some quality backups too, surely you don't expect the club to be able to buy the whole lot in one season, do you? We all wan tpromotion now but that's our hearts speaking, our heads should understand that nothing happens just because we want it to. Bloom said that we will look for promotion as soon as we can, in fact we are looking for it every season, or words to that effect, but what would we expect him to say. The man is not a fool, he knows what we have and what we don't have, ergo, he knows what we still need. VegasSeagull
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9:01am Thu 6 Dec 12

SMF20 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
SMF20
Why take the likes of TK and Bruno on longer term deals, well because they, along with maybe four others, are what our team will be built upon.

The two you mentioned could do well at the higher level, we probably have three or four others that would too and longer term contracts will be offered to them, if they are not already on them.

We must have more than half the team capable of playing in the prem by the time we get there, and some quality backups too, surely you don't expect the club to be able to buy the whole lot in one season, do you?

We all wan tpromotion now but that's our hearts speaking, our heads should understand that nothing happens just because we want it to.

Bloom said that we will look for promotion as soon as we can, in fact we are looking for it every season, or words to that effect, but what would we expect him to say. The man is not a fool, he knows what we have and what we don't have, ergo, he knows what we still need.
Vegas,

You've totally misread and misunderstood my post.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: SMF20 Why take the likes of TK and Bruno on longer term deals, well because they, along with maybe four others, are what our team will be built upon. The two you mentioned could do well at the higher level, we probably have three or four others that would too and longer term contracts will be offered to them, if they are not already on them. We must have more than half the team capable of playing in the prem by the time we get there, and some quality backups too, surely you don't expect the club to be able to buy the whole lot in one season, do you? We all wan tpromotion now but that's our hearts speaking, our heads should understand that nothing happens just because we want it to. Bloom said that we will look for promotion as soon as we can, in fact we are looking for it every season, or words to that effect, but what would we expect him to say. The man is not a fool, he knows what we have and what we don't have, ergo, he knows what we still need.[/p][/quote]Vegas, You've totally misread and misunderstood my post. SMF20
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12:30pm Thu 6 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

SMF20 wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: SMF20 Why take the likes of TK and Bruno on longer term deals, well because they, along with maybe four others, are what our team will be built upon. The two you mentioned could do well at the higher level, we probably have three or four others that would too and longer term contracts will be offered to them, if they are not already on them. We must have more than half the team capable of playing in the prem by the time we get there, and some quality backups too, surely you don't expect the club to be able to buy the whole lot in one season, do you? We all wan tpromotion now but that's our hearts speaking, our heads should understand that nothing happens just because we want it to. Bloom said that we will look for promotion as soon as we can, in fact we are looking for it every season, or words to that effect, but what would we expect him to say. The man is not a fool, he knows what we have and what we don't have, ergo, he knows what we still need.
Vegas, You've totally misread and misunderstood my post.
I am so sorry, I just read it again and I am not sure what I am missing.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: SMF20 Why take the likes of TK and Bruno on longer term deals, well because they, along with maybe four others, are what our team will be built upon. The two you mentioned could do well at the higher level, we probably have three or four others that would too and longer term contracts will be offered to them, if they are not already on them. We must have more than half the team capable of playing in the prem by the time we get there, and some quality backups too, surely you don't expect the club to be able to buy the whole lot in one season, do you? We all wan tpromotion now but that's our hearts speaking, our heads should understand that nothing happens just because we want it to. Bloom said that we will look for promotion as soon as we can, in fact we are looking for it every season, or words to that effect, but what would we expect him to say. The man is not a fool, he knows what we have and what we don't have, ergo, he knows what we still need.[/p][/quote]Vegas, You've totally misread and misunderstood my post.[/p][/quote]I am so sorry, I just read it again and I am not sure what I am missing. VegasSeagull
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4:49pm Thu 6 Dec 12

john newman says...

Brighton is not, and never will be, a high spending club. Unless some rich Middle Eastern buys us. Get real everyone and stop dreaming.

As for building for 3 years who says Poyet will be here that long.
Brighton is not, and never will be, a high spending club. Unless some rich Middle Eastern buys us. Get real everyone and stop dreaming. As for building for 3 years who says Poyet will be here that long. john newman
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5:46pm Thu 6 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

john newman wrote:
Brighton is not, and never will be, a high spending club. Unless some rich Middle Eastern buys us. Get real everyone and stop dreaming. As for building for 3 years who says Poyet will be here that long.
I suppose for every positive thought there is a negative one as a counter.

Brighton have never been where they are right now, and by that I mean, as proffesionaly set up, even in our old Div One days we trained at Water Hall.

To say that Brighton will never be a big spending team I would ask you, why not? I guess it depends on what you consider to be, 'high spending.'
Is ten million high for one player, maybe fifteen million, what is the bench mark.

Will we ever spend like Man City, I doubt it but perhaps theirs is ultra high spending.
Success ineveitably brings in higer revenues from all quarters, not least of all sponsorship and TV rights. We don't know what tomorrow may bring in terms of success but if it comes in any measure money spent will be a huge factor in obtaining it.
[quote][p][bold]john newman[/bold] wrote: Brighton is not, and never will be, a high spending club. Unless some rich Middle Eastern buys us. Get real everyone and stop dreaming. As for building for 3 years who says Poyet will be here that long.[/p][/quote]I suppose for every positive thought there is a negative one as a counter. Brighton have never been where they are right now, and by that I mean, as proffesionaly set up, even in our old Div One days we trained at Water Hall. To say that Brighton will never be a big spending team I would ask you, why not? I guess it depends on what you consider to be, 'high spending.' Is ten million high for one player, maybe fifteen million, what is the bench mark. Will we ever spend like Man City, I doubt it but perhaps theirs is ultra high spending. Success ineveitably brings in higer revenues from all quarters, not least of all sponsorship and TV rights. We don't know what tomorrow may bring in terms of success but if it comes in any measure money spent will be a huge factor in obtaining it. VegasSeagull
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6:40pm Fri 21 Dec 12

thebigun says...

Re CMS I think a school report would say tries hard could do better,so lets go and get better
Re CMS I think a school report would say tries hard could do better,so lets go and get better thebigun
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