LuaLua is back in the good books

LuaLua scores for Albion

LuaLua scores for Albion

First published in Albion by , Chief sports reporter

BIRTHDAY boy Kazenga LuaLua is back in the good books of Albion boss Gus Poyet after scoring and making a difference at Charlton.

The winger, brought on midway through the second half, equalised seven minutes later with a deflected free-kick and impressed Poyet with his performance in the 2-2 draw.

It was a dramatic turnaround for LuaLua, 22 today, following a below-par display in the development team in front of the manager at The Amex against Swansea five days earlier.

Poyet revealed LuaLua had “no chance” of playing after that but told The Argus: “It changed because on Tuesday morning he was one of the best in training and on Wednesday he trained quite well, then the game dictated that he needed to play.

“He needs to be positive and he was. He didn't think “that”s it” because he had scored. It was nice that he took his chance, so he is going to have a better chance to play in the next few weeks.”

It was LuaLua’s first appearance in the first team since a jury was discharged after failing to reach a verdict on a charge of affray against the former Newcastle wide man.

Poyet said: “He’s a young boy who lives on his own. Some people take that naturally and it doesn’t affect your game, some people it affects your life every day.

“There were too many things in his head and now it’s clear, so let’”s hope he can concentrate on his football.”

Right-back Bruno faces a fight to be fit for Saturday’s home game against Nottingham Forest with Albion still eighth, a point outside the play-offs. The Spaniard went off with a sore Achilles as soon as LuaLua levelled.

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9:54am Mon 10 Dec 12

Dr Baldhead says...

It wasn't so much LL's goal - which took a heavy deflection - but more his general performance. He was really lively, seeking to take on the full back at every opportunity and attacking with flair. I haven't seen him play like that since the home match v Derby back in March.

When he's on song, he's one of our most exciting players.
It wasn't so much LL's goal - which took a heavy deflection - but more his general performance. He was really lively, seeking to take on the full back at every opportunity and attacking with flair. I haven't seen him play like that since the home match v Derby back in March. When he's on song, he's one of our most exciting players. Dr Baldhead
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10:08am Mon 10 Dec 12

dave from bexill says...

Absolutely right. Long may it last
Absolutely right. Long may it last dave from bexill
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10:34am Mon 10 Dec 12

Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS) says...

This is great news but he'll have to show a degree of consistency to get back in my good books. Let's hope this is the return to his blistering form we know he's capable of inflicting on our opponents. Bring on the Forest!
This is great news but he'll have to show a degree of consistency to get back in my good books. Let's hope this is the return to his blistering form we know he's capable of inflicting on our opponents. Bring on the Forest! Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS)
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10:44am Mon 10 Dec 12

IKnowNowt says...

Ran around like a daemon. He does worry me though when he is upside down in mid air.

But what do I know?
Ran around like a daemon. He does worry me though when he is upside down in mid air. But what do I know? IKnowNowt
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11:00am Mon 10 Dec 12

graham w says...

Hes a game changer when his head is right and hes on for at least a full half, id use him best when we go one up, and the other side is in the offensive, his pace would keep them on back foot, well thats the theory..his goal was a massive deflection, but we should have been out of site by that point, the football league show didnt show , with another ounce of fortune we would have won by at least4 clear goals.the champion ship is really strange this year only cardiff as any sort of clear fav.
Hes a game changer when his head is right and hes on for at least a full half, id use him best when we go one up, and the other side is in the offensive, his pace would keep them on back foot, well thats the theory..his goal was a massive deflection, but we should have been out of site by that point, the football league show didnt show , with another ounce of fortune we would have won by at least4 clear goals.the champion ship is really strange this year only cardiff as any sort of clear fav. graham w
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12:41pm Mon 10 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

If we were making a list of the players likely to leave the club at the end of the season Lua Lua would be on many lists. So far this season we have not had the benefit of what this lad has to offer, and that is down to him.
Gus is indicating that he intends to give Kaz a chance to prove himself all over again, he (Kaz) needs to take that chance.

'There were too many things in his head and now it is clear,' that's good to hear so now there are no excuses. I suppose one could say that Dunk is in a similar situation, let's hope that he too can soon clear his head.

Last chance saloon for Kazenga, if he doesn't grab it with both hands I fear for his future with Brighton.,
If we were making a list of the players likely to leave the club at the end of the season Lua Lua would be on many lists. So far this season we have not had the benefit of what this lad has to offer, and that is down to him. Gus is indicating that he intends to give Kaz a chance to prove himself all over again, he (Kaz) needs to take that chance. 'There were too many things in his head and now it is clear,' that's good to hear so now there are no excuses. I suppose one could say that Dunk is in a similar situation, let's hope that he too can soon clear his head. Last chance saloon for Kazenga, if he doesn't grab it with both hands I fear for his future with Brighton., VegasSeagull
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1:06pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Albion23 says...

LuaLua, Has had problems off the park we know. But he deserves a chance from all fans & nanagement.alike. Lets not forget what he did for us before and he will do it again given the chance & confidense from G. P. He showed he can do what he is best at. Well done & good luck. K.L. L. U. U.T A.
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LuaLua, Has had problems off the park we know. But he deserves a chance from all fans & nanagement.alike. Lets not forget what he did for us before and he will do it again given the chance & confidense from G. P. He showed he can do what he is best at. Well done & good luck. K.L. L. U. U.T A. . . Albion23
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1:29pm Mon 10 Dec 12

mr punch says...

It's a great situation that players know they have to really perform to be in with a chance, esp fringe players like Kaz. I hope he gets more game time and, as Graham said, bring him on when we are ahead and see what the opposition do. We are almost at Xmas and in a good position in a very good league. We could always re-sign Codner!
It's a great situation that players know they have to really perform to be in with a chance, esp fringe players like Kaz. I hope he gets more game time and, as Graham said, bring him on when we are ahead and see what the opposition do. We are almost at Xmas and in a good position in a very good league. We could always re-sign Codner! mr punch
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1:46pm Mon 10 Dec 12

pappaK says...

Boy OH ! Boy Vagas. Give Lua Lua and Dunk a break.Nitt picking other peoples comments.Lua is young,exciting to watch, likes a beer,was in a wrong place at the wrong time,have we all sometimes been there as well.Get off their backs.,don`t try and philosophise, you are out of your depth.It was a breath of fresh air to see Lua when he came on,don`t start filling his head with your junk
Boy OH ! Boy Vagas. Give Lua Lua and Dunk a break.Nitt picking other peoples comments.Lua is young,exciting to watch, likes a beer,was in a wrong place at the wrong time,have we all sometimes been there as well.Get off their backs.,don`t try and philosophise, you are out of your depth.It was a breath of fresh air to see Lua when he came on,don`t start filling his head with your junk pappaK
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2:52pm Mon 10 Dec 12

brightonup says...

pappaK wrote:
Boy OH ! Boy Vagas. Give Lua Lua and Dunk a break.Nitt picking other peoples comments.Lua is young,exciting to watch, likes a beer,was in a wrong place at the wrong time,have we all sometimes been there as well.Get off their backs.,don`t try and philosophise, you are out of your depth.It was a breath of fresh air to see Lua when he came on,don`t start filling his head with your junk
Pointless....
[quote][p][bold]pappaK[/bold] wrote: Boy OH ! Boy Vagas. Give Lua Lua and Dunk a break.Nitt picking other peoples comments.Lua is young,exciting to watch, likes a beer,was in a wrong place at the wrong time,have we all sometimes been there as well.Get off their backs.,don`t try and philosophise, you are out of your depth.It was a breath of fresh air to see Lua when he came on,don`t start filling his head with your junk[/p][/quote]Pointless.... brightonup
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3:03pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Hovite says...

Agreed pointless .......... and insincere.
Agreed pointless .......... and insincere. Hovite
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3:06pm Mon 10 Dec 12

tinker111 says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Absolutely right. Long may it last
Till the next nite out ????
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: Absolutely right. Long may it last[/p][/quote]Till the next nite out ???? tinker111
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3:14pm Mon 10 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

pappaK wrote:
Boy OH ! Boy Vagas. Give Lua Lua and Dunk a break.Nitt picking other peoples comments.Lua is young,exciting to watch, likes a beer,was in a wrong place at the wrong time,have we all sometimes been there as well.Get off their backs.,don`t try and philosophise, you are out of your depth.It was a breath of fresh air to see Lua when he came on,don`t start filling his head with your junk
Keep trying PappaK
[quote][p][bold]pappaK[/bold] wrote: Boy OH ! Boy Vagas. Give Lua Lua and Dunk a break.Nitt picking other peoples comments.Lua is young,exciting to watch, likes a beer,was in a wrong place at the wrong time,have we all sometimes been there as well.Get off their backs.,don`t try and philosophise, you are out of your depth.It was a breath of fresh air to see Lua when he came on,don`t start filling his head with your junk[/p][/quote]Keep trying PappaK VegasSeagull
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3:22pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Freeloaders says...

pappaK wrote:
Boy OH ! Boy Vagas. Give Lua Lua and Dunk a break.Nitt picking other peoples comments.Lua is young,exciting to watch, likes a beer,was in a wrong place at the wrong time,have we all sometimes been there as well.Get off their backs.,don`t try and philosophise, you are out of your depth.It was a breath of fresh air to see Lua when he came on,don`t start filling his head with your junk
Please Vagas you say what ever you like my friend.Wake up pappak read Poyets words."His a young man that lives on his own."This is a big Ref to the guys life away from football.Like me & many people know the two players you love so much are big trouble,the main reason other clubs didn't wish to sign him.Before you start on me or people like Vagas remember this.These guys get paid a vile amount of money to entertain people for just 90mins once a week.What do you really think Poyet ment by his a young man living on his own?The club is not asking these players to live like nuns but just to do the job they are very well paid to do.Many young guys with much more talent than them will never get the chance they both have in life.
[quote][p][bold]pappaK[/bold] wrote: Boy OH ! Boy Vagas. Give Lua Lua and Dunk a break.Nitt picking other peoples comments.Lua is young,exciting to watch, likes a beer,was in a wrong place at the wrong time,have we all sometimes been there as well.Get off their backs.,don`t try and philosophise, you are out of your depth.It was a breath of fresh air to see Lua when he came on,don`t start filling his head with your junk[/p][/quote]Please Vagas you say what ever you like my friend.Wake up pappak read Poyets words."His a young man that lives on his own."This is a big Ref to the guys life away from football.Like me & many people know the two players you love so much are big trouble,the main reason other clubs didn't wish to sign him.Before you start on me or people like Vagas remember this.These guys get paid a vile amount of money to entertain people for just 90mins once a week.What do you really think Poyet ment by his a young man living on his own?The club is not asking these players to live like nuns but just to do the job they are very well paid to do.Many young guys with much more talent than them will never get the chance they both have in life. Freeloaders
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3:24pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Hovite says...

Dr Baldhead wrote:
It wasn't so much LL's goal - which took a heavy deflection - but more his general performance. He was really lively, seeking to take on the full back at every opportunity and attacking with flair. I haven't seen him play like that since the home match v Derby back in March.

When he's on song, he's one of our most exciting players.
Well said, he did have the hamstring problem the second half of the season on top of the ankle injury he has had, it would have taken time to get back.

It should be a good time for him, and us! UTA
[quote][p][bold]Dr Baldhead[/bold] wrote: It wasn't so much LL's goal - which took a heavy deflection - but more his general performance. He was really lively, seeking to take on the full back at every opportunity and attacking with flair. I haven't seen him play like that since the home match v Derby back in March. When he's on song, he's one of our most exciting players.[/p][/quote]Well said, he did have the hamstring problem the second half of the season on top of the ankle injury he has had, it would have taken time to get back. It should be a good time for him, and us! UTA Hovite
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3:43pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Freeloaders says...

Dream world stuff.The super Forster-Caskey kid just a un-used sub yet again.Ask anyone in football about his performance at Oxford.The wonder boy Barker was pure rubbish against poor old Wimbledon.So what some of you think is THFC took Grant Hall & then said let Brighton keep the best ones lol.If the football world thought lewis Dunk was special he would not be here believe me.Same reason Noony is a Cardiff player now.
Dream world stuff.The super Forster-Caskey kid just a un-used sub yet again.Ask anyone in football about his performance at Oxford.The wonder boy Barker was pure rubbish against poor old Wimbledon.So what some of you think is THFC took Grant Hall & then said let Brighton keep the best ones lol.If the football world thought lewis Dunk was special he would not be here believe me.Same reason Noony is a Cardiff player now. Freeloaders
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3:45pm Mon 10 Dec 12

JUPILER says...

Now we are no longer talking about Glenn Murray, whome is in the bad book Mr.Vincente ?
Now we are no longer talking about Glenn Murray, whome is in the bad book Mr.Vincente ? JUPILER
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3:48pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Freeloaders says...

For the record im not saying LuaLua does not have talent.All the more reason he should love the chance he has in life.
For the record im not saying LuaLua does not have talent.All the more reason he should love the chance he has in life. Freeloaders
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3:50pm Mon 10 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

I don't care whether it's Brighton or Man United, whether the players is on 10k a week or 100k, they all have a responsibilty to their club, team mates and the fans that pay their wages.
Young lads like Lua Lua, kids with talent, owe it to themsleves and those that gave them a chance to do their best and ensure that they live their private lives in such as way as to let anyone down, including themselves.

PappaK if you don't understand this, or agree with it, then how would you advise these lads, what would you tell them. It's too easy to say that we have all messed up at one time or another, we are not playing for Brighton and we don't make their money. Football is not an ordinary job and ordinary people don't make footballers. Their is a load that these lads have to carry and it will stay with them right through their career, how they carry that load defines just how good they will turn out to be.
I don't care whether it's Brighton or Man United, whether the players is on 10k a week or 100k, they all have a responsibilty to their club, team mates and the fans that pay their wages. Young lads like Lua Lua, kids with talent, owe it to themsleves and those that gave them a chance to do their best and ensure that they live their private lives in such as way as to let anyone down, including themselves. PappaK if you don't understand this, or agree with it, then how would you advise these lads, what would you tell them. It's too easy to say that we have all messed up at one time or another, we are not playing for Brighton and we don't make their money. Football is not an ordinary job and ordinary people don't make footballers. Their is a load that these lads have to carry and it will stay with them right through their career, how they carry that load defines just how good they will turn out to be. VegasSeagull
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3:57pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Freeloaders says...

Wonderful post VagasSeagull,very well put.
Wonderful post VagasSeagull,very well put. Freeloaders
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3:58pm Mon 10 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I don't care whether it's Brighton or Man United, whether the players is on 10k a week or 100k, they all have a responsibilty to their club, team mates and the fans that pay their wages. Young lads like Lua Lua, kids with talent, owe it to themsleves and those that gave them a chance to do their best and ensure that they live their private lives in such as way as to let anyone down, including themselves. PappaK if you don't understand this, or agree with it, then how would you advise these lads, what would you tell them. It's too easy to say that we have all messed up at one time or another, we are not playing for Brighton and we don't make their money. Football is not an ordinary job and ordinary people don't make footballers. Their is a load that these lads have to carry and it will stay with them right through their career, how they carry that load defines just how good they will turn out to be.
as to NOT let anyone down
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I don't care whether it's Brighton or Man United, whether the players is on 10k a week or 100k, they all have a responsibilty to their club, team mates and the fans that pay their wages. Young lads like Lua Lua, kids with talent, owe it to themsleves and those that gave them a chance to do their best and ensure that they live their private lives in such as way as to let anyone down, including themselves. PappaK if you don't understand this, or agree with it, then how would you advise these lads, what would you tell them. It's too easy to say that we have all messed up at one time or another, we are not playing for Brighton and we don't make their money. Football is not an ordinary job and ordinary people don't make footballers. Their is a load that these lads have to carry and it will stay with them right through their career, how they carry that load defines just how good they will turn out to be.[/p][/quote]as to NOT let anyone down VegasSeagull
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4:07pm Mon 10 Dec 12

brightonup says...

Freeloaders wrote:
pappaK wrote:
Boy OH ! Boy Vagas. Give Lua Lua and Dunk a break.Nitt picking other peoples comments.Lua is young,exciting to watch, likes a beer,was in a wrong place at the wrong time,have we all sometimes been there as well.Get off their backs.,don`t try and philosophise, you are out of your depth.It was a breath of fresh air to see Lua when he came on,don`t start filling his head with your junk
Please Vagas you say what ever you like my friend.Wake up pappak read Poyets words."His a young man that lives on his own."This is a big Ref to the guys life away from football.Like me & many people know the two players you love so much are big trouble,the main reason other clubs didn't wish to sign him.Before you start on me or people like Vagas remember this.These guys get paid a vile amount of money to entertain people for just 90mins once a week.What do you really think Poyet ment by his a young man living on his own?The club is not asking these players to live like nuns but just to do the job they are very well paid to do.Many young guys with much more talent than them will never get the chance they both have in life.
Pathetic....
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pappaK[/bold] wrote: Boy OH ! Boy Vagas. Give Lua Lua and Dunk a break.Nitt picking other peoples comments.Lua is young,exciting to watch, likes a beer,was in a wrong place at the wrong time,have we all sometimes been there as well.Get off their backs.,don`t try and philosophise, you are out of your depth.It was a breath of fresh air to see Lua when he came on,don`t start filling his head with your junk[/p][/quote]Please Vagas you say what ever you like my friend.Wake up pappak read Poyets words."His a young man that lives on his own."This is a big Ref to the guys life away from football.Like me & many people know the two players you love so much are big trouble,the main reason other clubs didn't wish to sign him.Before you start on me or people like Vagas remember this.These guys get paid a vile amount of money to entertain people for just 90mins once a week.What do you really think Poyet ment by his a young man living on his own?The club is not asking these players to live like nuns but just to do the job they are very well paid to do.Many young guys with much more talent than them will never get the chance they both have in life.[/p][/quote]Pathetic.... brightonup
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4:10pm Mon 10 Dec 12

brightonup says...

Freeloaders wrote:
Dream world stuff.The super Forster-Caskey kid just a un-used sub yet again.Ask anyone in football about his performance at Oxford.The wonder boy Barker was pure rubbish against poor old Wimbledon.So what some of you think is THFC took Grant Hall & then said let Brighton keep the best ones lol.If the football world thought lewis Dunk was special he would not be here believe me.Same reason Noony is a Cardiff player now.
Convoluted, poorly written - and the same drivel as usual.
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: Dream world stuff.The super Forster-Caskey kid just a un-used sub yet again.Ask anyone in football about his performance at Oxford.The wonder boy Barker was pure rubbish against poor old Wimbledon.So what some of you think is THFC took Grant Hall & then said let Brighton keep the best ones lol.If the football world thought lewis Dunk was special he would not be here believe me.Same reason Noony is a Cardiff player now.[/p][/quote]Convoluted, poorly written - and the same drivel as usual. brightonup
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4:30pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Freeloaders says...

Thats ok brightonup meet me & my mate thats worked in the game all his life & explain why his so wrong.Name the club that think his a top player.
Thats ok brightonup meet me & my mate thats worked in the game all his life & explain why his so wrong.Name the club that think his a top player. Freeloaders
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4:39pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Hovite says...

Err can you repeat the question donkey breath.
Err can you repeat the question donkey breath. Hovite
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4:46pm Mon 10 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

The true ablity of Foster-Casky and Barker may not be known yet as neither one of them are playing along side the quality of player we have.
The good thing for both of them is that they are playing more than would be with us right now. I guess only time will tell how they develope.
The true ablity of Foster-Casky and Barker may not be known yet as neither one of them are playing along side the quality of player we have. The good thing for both of them is that they are playing more than would be with us right now. I guess only time will tell how they develope. VegasSeagull
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6:06pm Mon 10 Dec 12

ballantrrae says...

Good to hear that LuaLua is showing a little of his old form, lets hope it continues. Judging from the Argus player ratings and their report Hoskins seems to have had a decent game with some nice touches and Barnes apparently did well when he replaced Dobbie. With CMS on schedule potentially for a 20 goal season things are beginning to brighten (excuse the pun) as far as the Albion's attack is concerned. I would however still like to see another striker being signed.
A pity that Orlandi is out since it is conceivable that if he was fit to start instead of Dobbie we might have a really interesting but more balanced starting line up. Orlandi's passing ability could just add that extra element that might make the difference between drawing and winning.
Good to hear that LuaLua is showing a little of his old form, lets hope it continues. Judging from the Argus player ratings and their report Hoskins seems to have had a decent game with some nice touches and Barnes apparently did well when he replaced Dobbie. With CMS on schedule potentially for a 20 goal season things are beginning to brighten (excuse the pun) as far as the Albion's attack is concerned. I would however still like to see another striker being signed. A pity that Orlandi is out since it is conceivable that if he was fit to start instead of Dobbie we might have a really interesting but more balanced starting line up. Orlandi's passing ability could just add that extra element that might make the difference between drawing and winning. ballantrrae
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6:22pm Mon 10 Dec 12

kwaidam says...

i think all bha fans should be happy to hear the following... it sounded nasty. we should all wish romain all the best, he never let us down...

GILLINGHAM have revealed Romain Vincelot has recovered well from the worrying injury which saw him stretchered from the field in Saturday’s 2-1 win at
Rotherham.
The midfielder, on loan from Brighton, came off worse in a nasty-looking aerial challenge by the Millers’ Jason Taylor which required lengthy on-pitch treatment and subsequently 11 minutes of injury time.
But Gills boss Martin Allen has allayed any fears of serious injury and it is
hoped Vincelot will return to training later this week.
i think all bha fans should be happy to hear the following... it sounded nasty. we should all wish romain all the best, he never let us down... GILLINGHAM have revealed Romain Vincelot has recovered well from the worrying injury which saw him stretchered from the field in Saturday’s 2-1 win at Rotherham. The midfielder, on loan from Brighton, came off worse in a nasty-looking aerial challenge by the Millers’ Jason Taylor which required lengthy on-pitch treatment and subsequently 11 minutes of injury time. But Gills boss Martin Allen has allayed any fears of serious injury and it is hoped Vincelot will return to training later this week. kwaidam
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6:28pm Mon 10 Dec 12

dave from bexill says...

ballantrrae wrote:
Good to hear that LuaLua is showing a little of his old form, lets hope it continues. Judging from the Argus player ratings and their report Hoskins seems to have had a decent game with some nice touches and Barnes apparently did well when he replaced Dobbie. With CMS on schedule potentially for a 20 goal season things are beginning to brighten (excuse the pun) as far as the Albion's attack is concerned. I would however still like to see another striker being signed.
A pity that Orlandi is out since it is conceivable that if he was fit to start instead of Dobbie we might have a really interesting but more balanced starting line up. Orlandi's passing ability could just add that extra element that might make the difference between drawing and winning.
Yes, I don't think we can underestimate the burgeoning influence of Orlandi on the team.
At his best Kaz is another of those players, who on their day can be a joy to watch, but like most out and out wingers he can sometimes seem a bit of a luxury, prone to ups and downs and to disappearing during a match, but a real 'bums off seat' player, like Noone was at his best.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Good to hear that LuaLua is showing a little of his old form, lets hope it continues. Judging from the Argus player ratings and their report Hoskins seems to have had a decent game with some nice touches and Barnes apparently did well when he replaced Dobbie. With CMS on schedule potentially for a 20 goal season things are beginning to brighten (excuse the pun) as far as the Albion's attack is concerned. I would however still like to see another striker being signed. A pity that Orlandi is out since it is conceivable that if he was fit to start instead of Dobbie we might have a really interesting but more balanced starting line up. Orlandi's passing ability could just add that extra element that might make the difference between drawing and winning.[/p][/quote]Yes, I don't think we can underestimate the burgeoning influence of Orlandi on the team. At his best Kaz is another of those players, who on their day can be a joy to watch, but like most out and out wingers he can sometimes seem a bit of a luxury, prone to ups and downs and to disappearing during a match, but a real 'bums off seat' player, like Noone was at his best. dave from bexill
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6:34pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Hovite says...

kwaidam wrote:
i think all bha fans should be happy to hear the following... it sounded nasty. we should all wish romain all the best, he never let us down...

GILLINGHAM have revealed Romain Vincelot has recovered well from the worrying injury which saw him stretchered from the field in Saturday’s 2-1 win at
Rotherham.
The midfielder, on loan from Brighton, came off worse in a nasty-looking aerial challenge by the Millers’ Jason Taylor which required lengthy on-pitch treatment and subsequently 11 minutes of injury time.
But Gills boss Martin Allen has allayed any fears of serious injury and it is
hoped Vincelot will return to training later this week.
Thanks for that I heard this on the radio Saturday. Sounded pretty serious at the time and it is good to hear it is not as bad as first thought.
[quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: i think all bha fans should be happy to hear the following... it sounded nasty. we should all wish romain all the best, he never let us down... GILLINGHAM have revealed Romain Vincelot has recovered well from the worrying injury which saw him stretchered from the field in Saturday’s 2-1 win at Rotherham. The midfielder, on loan from Brighton, came off worse in a nasty-looking aerial challenge by the Millers’ Jason Taylor which required lengthy on-pitch treatment and subsequently 11 minutes of injury time. But Gills boss Martin Allen has allayed any fears of serious injury and it is hoped Vincelot will return to training later this week.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that I heard this on the radio Saturday. Sounded pretty serious at the time and it is good to hear it is not as bad as first thought. Hovite
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6:35pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Freeloaders says...

Just watched it again on tv.He did not score it was a own goal.In fact it was a very poor free kick.Last season Croft was a un-used sub most games for Norwich.Now a un-used in the championship.The Norwich staff really got that call wrong.Just like Swansea saw the trouble with Dobbie.
Just watched it again on tv.He did not score it was a own goal.In fact it was a very poor free kick.Last season Croft was a un-used sub most games for Norwich.Now a un-used in the championship.The Norwich staff really got that call wrong.Just like Swansea saw the trouble with Dobbie. Freeloaders
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6:38pm Mon 10 Dec 12

dave from bexill says...

dave from bexill wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Good to hear that LuaLua is showing a little of his old form, lets hope it continues. Judging from the Argus player ratings and their report Hoskins seems to have had a decent game with some nice touches and Barnes apparently did well when he replaced Dobbie. With CMS on schedule potentially for a 20 goal season things are beginning to brighten (excuse the pun) as far as the Albion's attack is concerned. I would however still like to see another striker being signed.
A pity that Orlandi is out since it is conceivable that if he was fit to start instead of Dobbie we might have a really interesting but more balanced starting line up. Orlandi's passing ability could just add that extra element that might make the difference between drawing and winning.
Yes, I don't think we can underestimate the burgeoning influence of Orlandi on the team.
At his best Kaz is another of those players, who on their day can be a joy to watch, but like most out and out wingers he can sometimes seem a bit of a luxury, prone to ups and downs and to disappearing during a match, but a real 'bums off seat' player, like Noone was at his best.
Sorry. I think I meant to say we Shouldn't underestimate Orlandi's influence/ can't overestimate. Anyway, what I mean is, he's good and becoming very influential.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Good to hear that LuaLua is showing a little of his old form, lets hope it continues. Judging from the Argus player ratings and their report Hoskins seems to have had a decent game with some nice touches and Barnes apparently did well when he replaced Dobbie. With CMS on schedule potentially for a 20 goal season things are beginning to brighten (excuse the pun) as far as the Albion's attack is concerned. I would however still like to see another striker being signed. A pity that Orlandi is out since it is conceivable that if he was fit to start instead of Dobbie we might have a really interesting but more balanced starting line up. Orlandi's passing ability could just add that extra element that might make the difference between drawing and winning.[/p][/quote]Yes, I don't think we can underestimate the burgeoning influence of Orlandi on the team. At his best Kaz is another of those players, who on their day can be a joy to watch, but like most out and out wingers he can sometimes seem a bit of a luxury, prone to ups and downs and to disappearing during a match, but a real 'bums off seat' player, like Noone was at his best.[/p][/quote]Sorry. I think I meant to say we Shouldn't underestimate Orlandi's influence/ can't overestimate. Anyway, what I mean is, he's good and becoming very influential. dave from bexill
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6:40pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Freeloaders says...

I can name the three clubs watching Liam Bridcutt because his a hard working player that turns up for training on time.Can you name the clubs watching Lewis Dunk please.
I can name the three clubs watching Liam Bridcutt because his a hard working player that turns up for training on time.Can you name the clubs watching Lewis Dunk please. Freeloaders
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7:06pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Baldseagull says...

Freeloaders wrote:
I can name the three clubs watching Liam Bridcutt because his a hard working player that turns up for training on time.Can you name the clubs watching Lewis Dunk please.
Brighton are watching Dunk, they feel he could develop into a very good centre back.
I doubt the reason other clubs are watching Bridcutt is for his impeccable timekeeping.
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: I can name the three clubs watching Liam Bridcutt because his a hard working player that turns up for training on time.Can you name the clubs watching Lewis Dunk please.[/p][/quote]Brighton are watching Dunk, they feel he could develop into a very good centre back. I doubt the reason other clubs are watching Bridcutt is for his impeccable timekeeping. Baldseagull
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7:28pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Hovite says...

dave from bexill wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
ballantrrae wrote:
Good to hear that LuaLua is showing a little of his old form, lets hope it continues. Judging from the Argus player ratings and their report Hoskins seems to have had a decent game with some nice touches and Barnes apparently did well when he replaced Dobbie. With CMS on schedule potentially for a 20 goal season things are beginning to brighten (excuse the pun) as far as the Albion's attack is concerned. I would however still like to see another striker being signed.
A pity that Orlandi is out since it is conceivable that if he was fit to start instead of Dobbie we might have a really interesting but more balanced starting line up. Orlandi's passing ability could just add that extra element that might make the difference between drawing and winning.
Yes, I don't think we can underestimate the burgeoning influence of Orlandi on the team.
At his best Kaz is another of those players, who on their day can be a joy to watch, but like most out and out wingers he can sometimes seem a bit of a luxury, prone to ups and downs and to disappearing during a match, but a real 'bums off seat' player, like Noone was at his best.
Sorry. I think I meant to say we Shouldn't underestimate Orlandi's influence/ can't overestimate. Anyway, what I mean is, he's good and becoming very influential.
Didn't notice the deliberate mistake on first read. Made me laugh when pointed out.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: Good to hear that LuaLua is showing a little of his old form, lets hope it continues. Judging from the Argus player ratings and their report Hoskins seems to have had a decent game with some nice touches and Barnes apparently did well when he replaced Dobbie. With CMS on schedule potentially for a 20 goal season things are beginning to brighten (excuse the pun) as far as the Albion's attack is concerned. I would however still like to see another striker being signed. A pity that Orlandi is out since it is conceivable that if he was fit to start instead of Dobbie we might have a really interesting but more balanced starting line up. Orlandi's passing ability could just add that extra element that might make the difference between drawing and winning.[/p][/quote]Yes, I don't think we can underestimate the burgeoning influence of Orlandi on the team. At his best Kaz is another of those players, who on their day can be a joy to watch, but like most out and out wingers he can sometimes seem a bit of a luxury, prone to ups and downs and to disappearing during a match, but a real 'bums off seat' player, like Noone was at his best.[/p][/quote]Sorry. I think I meant to say we Shouldn't underestimate Orlandi's influence/ can't overestimate. Anyway, what I mean is, he's good and becoming very influential.[/p][/quote]Didn't notice the deliberate mistake on first read. Made me laugh when pointed out. Hovite
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7:29pm Mon 10 Dec 12

brightonup says...

Freeloaders wrote:
I can name the three clubs watching Liam Bridcutt because his a hard working player that turns up for training on time.Can you name the clubs watching Lewis Dunk please.
Okay I'll bite just this once...and the names are?
...and your source is?
...and your superior knowledge of the game arises from....?

On a more serious matter, excellent news about Vincelot!
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: I can name the three clubs watching Liam Bridcutt because his a hard working player that turns up for training on time.Can you name the clubs watching Lewis Dunk please.[/p][/quote]Okay I'll bite just this once...and the names are? ...and your source is? ...and your superior knowledge of the game arises from....? On a more serious matter, excellent news about Vincelot! brightonup
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7:49pm Mon 10 Dec 12

Jonathan Mouette says...

I think I've had enough of this load of crap! Goodbye.
I think I've had enough of this load of crap! Goodbye. Jonathan Mouette
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8:03pm Mon 10 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Teams watching Bridcutt, I guess one or two are but at what level those teams are playing at I wouldn't like to guess.
I like Bridcutt, I happen to think that pound for pound he is probabaly our most consistent player but like many of our team, he does have his weakness too. For me I just wish he could be as creative going forward as he is resolute when defending, a big ask I know.

I guess one could argue that it's not his role to be creative, and I suppose you would be right but if he could, then I think his services would be in high demand by several clubs and it would make the loss of Orlandi easier to bare.
Teams watching Bridcutt, I guess one or two are but at what level those teams are playing at I wouldn't like to guess. I like Bridcutt, I happen to think that pound for pound he is probabaly our most consistent player but like many of our team, he does have his weakness too. For me I just wish he could be as creative going forward as he is resolute when defending, a big ask I know. I guess one could argue that it's not his role to be creative, and I suppose you would be right but if he could, then I think his services would be in high demand by several clubs and it would make the loss of Orlandi easier to bare. VegasSeagull
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9:02pm Mon 10 Dec 12

weststandupperlacostearmy says...

Three clubs watching Bridcutt are Villa, Norwich and Reading...and Im not going to say my source as Im not that silly! Will say that Jan will definately turn a few heads though!
Three clubs watching Bridcutt are Villa, Norwich and Reading...and Im not going to say my source as Im not that silly! Will say that Jan will definately turn a few heads though! weststandupperlacostearmy
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9:56pm Mon 10 Dec 12

championshipgull says...

Hovite wrote:
kwaidam wrote:
i think all bha fans should be happy to hear the following... it sounded nasty. we should all wish romain all the best, he never let us down...

GILLINGHAM have revealed Romain Vincelot has recovered well from the worrying injury which saw him stretchered from the field in Saturday’s 2-1 win at
Rotherham.
The midfielder, on loan from Brighton, came off worse in a nasty-looking aerial challenge by the Millers’ Jason Taylor which required lengthy on-pitch treatment and subsequently 11 minutes of injury time.
But Gills boss Martin Allen has allayed any fears of serious injury and it is
hoped Vincelot will return to training later this week.
Thanks for that I heard this on the radio Saturday. Sounded pretty serious at the time and it is good to hear it is not as bad as first thought.
Yes apart from a headache and a stiff neck Romain is feeling fine and while on injuries from Yahoo Eurosport

"Poyet revealed Bruno has been carrying an Achilles problem recently.Saltor had to be withdrawn during the second half at The Valley and his fitness will be assessed ahead of next weekend's visit of Nottingham Forest."He has a kind of tendinitis in his Achilles," said Poyet."He's had a few problems so he hasn't been training properly but hopefully it's just a little bit of tiredness. We will have to see."
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kwaidam[/bold] wrote: i think all bha fans should be happy to hear the following... it sounded nasty. we should all wish romain all the best, he never let us down... GILLINGHAM have revealed Romain Vincelot has recovered well from the worrying injury which saw him stretchered from the field in Saturday’s 2-1 win at Rotherham. The midfielder, on loan from Brighton, came off worse in a nasty-looking aerial challenge by the Millers’ Jason Taylor which required lengthy on-pitch treatment and subsequently 11 minutes of injury time. But Gills boss Martin Allen has allayed any fears of serious injury and it is hoped Vincelot will return to training later this week.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that I heard this on the radio Saturday. Sounded pretty serious at the time and it is good to hear it is not as bad as first thought.[/p][/quote]Yes apart from a headache and a stiff neck Romain is feeling fine and while on injuries from Yahoo Eurosport "Poyet revealed Bruno has been carrying an Achilles problem recently.Saltor had to be withdrawn during the second half at The Valley and his fitness will be assessed ahead of next weekend's visit of Nottingham Forest."He has a kind of tendinitis in his Achilles," said Poyet."He's had a few problems so he hasn't been training properly but hopefully it's just a little bit of tiredness. We will have to see." championshipgull
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11:46pm Mon 10 Dec 12

the taffster says...

Freeloaders wrote:
Dream world stuff.The super Forster-Caskey kid just a un-used sub yet again.Ask anyone in football about his performance at Oxford.The wonder boy Barker was pure rubbish against poor old Wimbledon.So what some of you think is THFC took Grant Hall & then said let Brighton keep the best ones lol.If the football world thought lewis Dunk was special he would not be here believe me.Same reason Noony is a Cardiff player now.
its true unforunately.name me one young player whos knocking on the door of the first team?dunk now looks suspect and worthless.jfc,dicken
son adgestein,barker are probably all in their twenties and been at the club a while.if they were going to make it in the first team,they would be playing now.im bha through and through but i do question the lack of talent coming through the ranks,and the poor management decisions by gus like letting murray and noone go.(does he think lua lua is better than noone and more consistent!) i ultimately think it will cost him his job.
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: Dream world stuff.The super Forster-Caskey kid just a un-used sub yet again.Ask anyone in football about his performance at Oxford.The wonder boy Barker was pure rubbish against poor old Wimbledon.So what some of you think is THFC took Grant Hall & then said let Brighton keep the best ones lol.If the football world thought lewis Dunk was special he would not be here believe me.Same reason Noony is a Cardiff player now.[/p][/quote]its true unforunately.name me one young player whos knocking on the door of the first team?dunk now looks suspect and worthless.jfc,dicken son adgestein,barker are probably all in their twenties and been at the club a while.if they were going to make it in the first team,they would be playing now.im bha through and through but i do question the lack of talent coming through the ranks,and the poor management decisions by gus like letting murray and noone go.(does he think lua lua is better than noone and more consistent!) i ultimately think it will cost him his job. the taffster
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11:54pm Mon 10 Dec 12

the taffster says...

dobbie,lopez,crofts.
another 3 signings by gus not in the starting 11.are they good enough? i dont think so.
dobbie,lopez,crofts. another 3 signings by gus not in the starting 11.are they good enough? i dont think so. the taffster
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3:06am Tue 11 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Taffster, Dobbie, Crofts and Lopez have started matches if my memory serves me correctly, Dobbie only last week.
It seems to me that if a player is signed some fans think that it means they will start every week, or even most weeks, that's npt the case.
Some players are signed as squad players, they know that their role may not mean that they start matches that often. When the three names above get their chance to start they need to shine brightly enough to ensure a good claim to start the next match.

In an ideal world we would have eleven starting and eleven just as good to cover every position in case of injury or suspension. I don't think we have the money to pay wages to two quality starting elevens.

As for the youngsters, many of them came to us when we were in Div one, the higher we climb the better the quality of the young kids will be. A sixteen year old who has the choice of coming to a Div one team of a top ten Championship team or better, will choose the higher team.



,
Taffster, Dobbie, Crofts and Lopez have started matches if my memory serves me correctly, Dobbie only last week. It seems to me that if a player is signed some fans think that it means they will start every week, or even most weeks, that's npt the case. Some players are signed as squad players, they know that their role may not mean that they start matches that often. When the three names above get their chance to start they need to shine brightly enough to ensure a good claim to start the next match. In an ideal world we would have eleven starting and eleven just as good to cover every position in case of injury or suspension. I don't think we have the money to pay wages to two quality starting elevens. As for the youngsters, many of them came to us when we were in Div one, the higher we climb the better the quality of the young kids will be. A sixteen year old who has the choice of coming to a Div one team of a top ten Championship team or better, will choose the higher team. , VegasSeagull
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4:22am Tue 11 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Taffster, Dobbie, Crofts and Lopez have started matches if my memory serves me correctly, Dobbie only last week.
It seems to me that if a player is signed some fans think that it means they will start every week, or even most weeks, that's npt the case.
Some players are signed as squad players, they know that their role may not mean that they start matches that often. When the three names above get their chance to start they need to shine brightly enough to ensure a good claim to start the next match.

In an ideal world we would have eleven starting and eleven just as good to cover every position in case of injury or suspension. I don't think we have the money to pay wages to two quality starting elevens.

As for the youngsters, many of them came to us when we were in Div one, the higher we climb the better the quality of the young kids will be. A sixteen year old who has the choice of coming to a Div one team of a top ten Championship team or better, will choose the higher team.



,
The club have just got rid of hInsh and the other poor coaching staff, the idea that things will change over night, are simply deluded,
It will take 5 years to get a system in place with a scouting system. Then we will start to produce quality.
Saints and palace have produced players who have graced the permiership.. That's not luck but sheer hard work by outstanding coaching staff.
Foster caskey needs to show his ability week in week out, but that's young players, lots of clubs looked at him, lack of pace his downfall.
As for dunk, he has to make that position his, stop the mistakes, and step up.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Taffster, Dobbie, Crofts and Lopez have started matches if my memory serves me correctly, Dobbie only last week. It seems to me that if a player is signed some fans think that it means they will start every week, or even most weeks, that's npt the case. Some players are signed as squad players, they know that their role may not mean that they start matches that often. When the three names above get their chance to start they need to shine brightly enough to ensure a good claim to start the next match. In an ideal world we would have eleven starting and eleven just as good to cover every position in case of injury or suspension. I don't think we have the money to pay wages to two quality starting elevens. As for the youngsters, many of them came to us when we were in Div one, the higher we climb the better the quality of the young kids will be. A sixteen year old who has the choice of coming to a Div one team of a top ten Championship team or better, will choose the higher team. ,[/p][/quote]The club have just got rid of hInsh and the other poor coaching staff, the idea that things will change over night, are simply deluded, It will take 5 years to get a system in place with a scouting system. Then we will start to produce quality. Saints and palace have produced players who have graced the permiership.. That's not luck but sheer hard work by outstanding coaching staff. Foster caskey needs to show his ability week in week out, but that's young players, lots of clubs looked at him, lack of pace his downfall. As for dunk, he has to make that position his, stop the mistakes, and step up. mark by the sea
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9:03am Tue 11 Dec 12

dave from bexill says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Taffster, Dobbie, Crofts and Lopez have started matches if my memory serves me correctly, Dobbie only last week.
It seems to me that if a player is signed some fans think that it means they will start every week, or even most weeks, that's npt the case.
Some players are signed as squad players, they know that their role may not mean that they start matches that often. When the three names above get their chance to start they need to shine brightly enough to ensure a good claim to start the next match.

In an ideal world we would have eleven starting and eleven just as good to cover every position in case of injury or suspension. I don't think we have the money to pay wages to two quality starting elevens.

As for the youngsters, many of them came to us when we were in Div one, the higher we climb the better the quality of the young kids will be. A sixteen year old who has the choice of coming to a Div one team of a top ten Championship team or better, will choose the higher team.



,
The club have just got rid of hInsh and the other poor coaching staff, the idea that things will change over night, are simply deluded,
It will take 5 years to get a system in place with a scouting system. Then we will start to produce quality.
Saints and palace have produced players who have graced the permiership.. That's not luck but sheer hard work by outstanding coaching staff.
Foster caskey needs to show his ability week in week out, but that's young players, lots of clubs looked at him, lack of pace his downfall.
As for dunk, he has to make that position his, stop the mistakes, and step up.
I agree with the above regarding young players and the massive investment into the Academy should allow a much more even playing field to enable the Albion to attract quality youngsters, something that it's been unable and/or unwilling to do previously. London apart, the South East has never been seen as an "hot bed" of soccer talent compared to some other areas. I lived for some years in the North East and Middlesbrough, as an example, were on occasion able to field a full team of local kids,a number of whom have gone onto make good careers for themselves.There are numerous reasons for this, that aren't neccessarily football related, suffice to say that when trying to bring a youngster to the club, parents, schools and good liaison with local clubs and a proper scouting system is of paramount importance. And of course, if a club can produce just one player a year into the first team squad on a regular basis, this would probably be regarded as successful.
I think Mark above is right about the length of time it will take to get a decent system in place and key will be convincing good young players and their parents/guardians that the Brighton Academy is the place to be. Finally and I hope not too boringly, clubs like Brighton will have to rely more and more in the future on producing young players to either make up much of the first team squad, or to be sold on for profit in order to remain viable and competitive
.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Taffster, Dobbie, Crofts and Lopez have started matches if my memory serves me correctly, Dobbie only last week. It seems to me that if a player is signed some fans think that it means they will start every week, or even most weeks, that's npt the case. Some players are signed as squad players, they know that their role may not mean that they start matches that often. When the three names above get their chance to start they need to shine brightly enough to ensure a good claim to start the next match. In an ideal world we would have eleven starting and eleven just as good to cover every position in case of injury or suspension. I don't think we have the money to pay wages to two quality starting elevens. As for the youngsters, many of them came to us when we were in Div one, the higher we climb the better the quality of the young kids will be. A sixteen year old who has the choice of coming to a Div one team of a top ten Championship team or better, will choose the higher team. ,[/p][/quote]The club have just got rid of hInsh and the other poor coaching staff, the idea that things will change over night, are simply deluded, It will take 5 years to get a system in place with a scouting system. Then we will start to produce quality. Saints and palace have produced players who have graced the permiership.. That's not luck but sheer hard work by outstanding coaching staff. Foster caskey needs to show his ability week in week out, but that's young players, lots of clubs looked at him, lack of pace his downfall. As for dunk, he has to make that position his, stop the mistakes, and step up.[/p][/quote]I agree with the above regarding young players and the massive investment into the Academy should allow a much more even playing field to enable the Albion to attract quality youngsters, something that it's been unable and/or unwilling to do previously. London apart, the South East has never been seen as an "hot bed" of soccer talent compared to some other areas. I lived for some years in the North East and Middlesbrough, as an example, were on occasion able to field a full team of local kids,a number of whom have gone onto make good careers for themselves.There are numerous reasons for this, that aren't neccessarily football related, suffice to say that when trying to bring a youngster to the club, parents, schools and good liaison with local clubs and a proper scouting system is of paramount importance. And of course, if a club can produce just one player a year into the first team squad on a regular basis, this would probably be regarded as successful. I think Mark above is right about the length of time it will take to get a decent system in place and key will be convincing good young players and their parents/guardians that the Brighton Academy is the place to be. Finally and I hope not too boringly, clubs like Brighton will have to rely more and more in the future on producing young players to either make up much of the first team squad, or to be sold on for profit in order to remain viable and competitive . dave from bexill
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10:21am Tue 11 Dec 12

the taffster says...

dave from bexill wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Taffster, Dobbie, Crofts and Lopez have started matches if my memory serves me correctly, Dobbie only last week.
It seems to me that if a player is signed some fans think that it means they will start every week, or even most weeks, that's npt the case.
Some players are signed as squad players, they know that their role may not mean that they start matches that often. When the three names above get their chance to start they need to shine brightly enough to ensure a good claim to start the next match.

In an ideal world we would have eleven starting and eleven just as good to cover every position in case of injury or suspension. I don't think we have the money to pay wages to two quality starting elevens.

As for the youngsters, many of them came to us when we were in Div one, the higher we climb the better the quality of the young kids will be. A sixteen year old who has the choice of coming to a Div one team of a top ten Championship team or better, will choose the higher team.



,
The club have just got rid of hInsh and the other poor coaching staff, the idea that things will change over night, are simply deluded,
It will take 5 years to get a system in place with a scouting system. Then we will start to produce quality.
Saints and palace have produced players who have graced the permiership.. That's not luck but sheer hard work by outstanding coaching staff.
Foster caskey needs to show his ability week in week out, but that's young players, lots of clubs looked at him, lack of pace his downfall.
As for dunk, he has to make that position his, stop the mistakes, and step up.
I agree with the above regarding young players and the massive investment into the Academy should allow a much more even playing field to enable the Albion to attract quality youngsters, something that it's been unable and/or unwilling to do previously. London apart, the South East has never been seen as an "hot bed" of soccer talent compared to some other areas. I lived for some years in the North East and Middlesbrough, as an example, were on occasion able to field a full team of local kids,a number of whom have gone onto make good careers for themselves.There are numerous reasons for this, that aren't neccessarily football related, suffice to say that when trying to bring a youngster to the club, parents, schools and good liaison with local clubs and a proper scouting system is of paramount importance. And of course, if a club can produce just one player a year into the first team squad on a regular basis, this would probably be regarded as successful.
I think Mark above is right about the length of time it will take to get a decent system in place and key will be convincing good young players and their parents/guardians that the Brighton Academy is the place to be. Finally and I hope not too boringly, clubs like Brighton will have to rely more and more in the future on producing young players to either make up much of the first team squad, or to be sold on for profit in order to remain viable and competitive
.
we dont need to sign players to bolster the squad.but players who can fit straight into the first 11.you dont want to be paying high wages to players for reserve team football.in the past weve had local players coming through.its not happening now.ward(although not local) was 19 i think when he made his first team debut.then he became a legend.every academy player so far has been shipped out on loan.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Taffster, Dobbie, Crofts and Lopez have started matches if my memory serves me correctly, Dobbie only last week. It seems to me that if a player is signed some fans think that it means they will start every week, or even most weeks, that's npt the case. Some players are signed as squad players, they know that their role may not mean that they start matches that often. When the three names above get their chance to start they need to shine brightly enough to ensure a good claim to start the next match. In an ideal world we would have eleven starting and eleven just as good to cover every position in case of injury or suspension. I don't think we have the money to pay wages to two quality starting elevens. As for the youngsters, many of them came to us when we were in Div one, the higher we climb the better the quality of the young kids will be. A sixteen year old who has the choice of coming to a Div one team of a top ten Championship team or better, will choose the higher team. ,[/p][/quote]The club have just got rid of hInsh and the other poor coaching staff, the idea that things will change over night, are simply deluded, It will take 5 years to get a system in place with a scouting system. Then we will start to produce quality. Saints and palace have produced players who have graced the permiership.. That's not luck but sheer hard work by outstanding coaching staff. Foster caskey needs to show his ability week in week out, but that's young players, lots of clubs looked at him, lack of pace his downfall. As for dunk, he has to make that position his, stop the mistakes, and step up.[/p][/quote]I agree with the above regarding young players and the massive investment into the Academy should allow a much more even playing field to enable the Albion to attract quality youngsters, something that it's been unable and/or unwilling to do previously. London apart, the South East has never been seen as an "hot bed" of soccer talent compared to some other areas. I lived for some years in the North East and Middlesbrough, as an example, were on occasion able to field a full team of local kids,a number of whom have gone onto make good careers for themselves.There are numerous reasons for this, that aren't neccessarily football related, suffice to say that when trying to bring a youngster to the club, parents, schools and good liaison with local clubs and a proper scouting system is of paramount importance. And of course, if a club can produce just one player a year into the first team squad on a regular basis, this would probably be regarded as successful. I think Mark above is right about the length of time it will take to get a decent system in place and key will be convincing good young players and their parents/guardians that the Brighton Academy is the place to be. Finally and I hope not too boringly, clubs like Brighton will have to rely more and more in the future on producing young players to either make up much of the first team squad, or to be sold on for profit in order to remain viable and competitive .[/p][/quote]we dont need to sign players to bolster the squad.but players who can fit straight into the first 11.you dont want to be paying high wages to players for reserve team football.in the past weve had local players coming through.its not happening now.ward(although not local) was 19 i think when he made his first team debut.then he became a legend.every academy player so far has been shipped out on loan. the taffster
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10:54am Tue 11 Dec 12

Hovite says...

the taffster is Freeloader by the way.

Talking to and agreeing with himself again.
the taffster is Freeloader by the way. Talking to and agreeing with himself again. Hovite
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12:32pm Tue 11 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite wrote:
the taffster is Freeloader by the way. Talking to and agreeing with himself again.
really, wow, why not just have a debate in your own name.It's true you will take some punches but that's the nature of debate.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: the taffster is Freeloader by the way. Talking to and agreeing with himself again.[/p][/quote]really, wow, why not just have a debate in your own name.It's true you will take some punches but that's the nature of debate. VegasSeagull
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1:26pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Hovite says...

I know Vegas, although it's not about debate, the purpose is destroying the forum. The one two or three wums and trolls have well over 30 names between them.

The LACHANCE name goes on to the Echo website and stirs up the Shampton fans with; Get Adkins out.

LACHANCE is the taffster, is Freeloaders, is WisdomSpeaks, is john newman, is PappaK, is seagullsays, is carrot muncher, is suede27, is JUPILER, to name but a few.

I think the most important thing is recognising it.

As soon as I saw Troll Busters list a few weeks ago, it all clicked together.

These / and this attention seeker /s are more addicted to posting than we are. ;o)
I know Vegas, although it's not about debate, the purpose is destroying the forum. The one two or three wums and trolls have well over 30 names between them. The LACHANCE name goes on to the Echo website and stirs up the Shampton fans with; Get Adkins out. LACHANCE is the taffster, is Freeloaders, is WisdomSpeaks, is john newman, is PappaK, is seagullsays, is carrot muncher, is suede27, is JUPILER, to name but a few. I think the most important thing is recognising it. As soon as I saw Troll Busters list a few weeks ago, it all clicked together. These / and this attention seeker /s are more addicted to posting than we are. ;o) Hovite
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2:06pm Tue 11 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite wrote:
I know Vegas, although it's not about debate, the purpose is destroying the forum. The one two or three wums and trolls have well over 30 names between them. The LACHANCE name goes on to the Echo website and stirs up the Shampton fans with; Get Adkins out. LACHANCE is the taffster, is Freeloaders, is WisdomSpeaks, is john newman, is PappaK, is seagullsays, is carrot muncher, is suede27, is JUPILER, to name but a few. I think the most important thing is recognising it. As soon as I saw Troll Busters list a few weeks ago, it all clicked together. These / and this attention seeker /s are more addicted to posting than we are. ;o)
It all just seems so futile.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: I know Vegas, although it's not about debate, the purpose is destroying the forum. The one two or three wums and trolls have well over 30 names between them. The LACHANCE name goes on to the Echo website and stirs up the Shampton fans with; Get Adkins out. LACHANCE is the taffster, is Freeloaders, is WisdomSpeaks, is john newman, is PappaK, is seagullsays, is carrot muncher, is suede27, is JUPILER, to name but a few. I think the most important thing is recognising it. As soon as I saw Troll Busters list a few weeks ago, it all clicked together. These / and this attention seeker /s are more addicted to posting than we are. ;o)[/p][/quote]It all just seems so futile. VegasSeagull
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2:33pm Tue 11 Dec 12

dave from bexill says...

I think you are right Vegas and Hovite. There's me writing what I'm sure you'll agree is an excellent response to Mark by the Sea and Vegas, and the only response I get back is about those idiots/that idiot Lachance, Freeloader et al.Is it really worth all the sweat I ask myself? Increasingly I think the answer is no it's not.
I think you are right Vegas and Hovite. There's me writing what I'm sure you'll agree is an excellent response to Mark by the Sea and Vegas, and the only response I get back is about those idiots/that idiot Lachance, Freeloader et al.Is it really worth all the sweat I ask myself? Increasingly I think the answer is no it's not. dave from bexill
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2:42pm Tue 11 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Dave we must not let the monkeys run the zoo, there are those of us who enjoy and want debate, to allow the monkeys to deter us would give them a result they don't deserve.
Dave we must not let the monkeys run the zoo, there are those of us who enjoy and want debate, to allow the monkeys to deter us would give them a result they don't deserve. VegasSeagull
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3:00pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Hovite says...

This person/s only mission is to divide and conquer by trying to get frustrated fans agreeing with them.

Planting seeds of discontent, which, for a couple of hours after a bad result is not always that hard to do.

Murray was their top target to wind up this board recently, for a couple of weeks, and it was only they, not genuine posters that kept on harping on about it.

They sort of win, when they get someone to spend time writing a well thought out response.

The best reply to them is short and sweet like, Rubbish or what a load of twaddle.

United we stand divided we fall and all that.
This person/s only mission is to divide and conquer by trying to get frustrated fans agreeing with them. Planting seeds of discontent, which, for a couple of hours after a bad result is not always that hard to do. Murray was their top target to wind up this board recently, for a couple of weeks, and it was only they, not genuine posters that kept on harping on about it. They sort of win, when they get someone to spend time writing a well thought out response. The best reply to them is short and sweet like, Rubbish or what a load of twaddle. United we stand divided we fall and all that. Hovite
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3:36pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Hovite says...

dave from bexill wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Taffster, Dobbie, Crofts and Lopez have started matches if my memory serves me correctly, Dobbie only last week.
It seems to me that if a player is signed some fans think that it means they will start every week, or even most weeks, that's npt the case.
Some players are signed as squad players, they know that their role may not mean that they start matches that often. When the three names above get their chance to start they need to shine brightly enough to ensure a good claim to start the next match.

In an ideal world we would have eleven starting and eleven just as good to cover every position in case of injury or suspension. I don't think we have the money to pay wages to two quality starting elevens.

As for the youngsters, many of them came to us when we were in Div one, the higher we climb the better the quality of the young kids will be. A sixteen year old who has the choice of coming to a Div one team of a top ten Championship team or better, will choose the higher team.



,
The club have just got rid of hInsh and the other poor coaching staff, the idea that things will change over night, are simply deluded,
It will take 5 years to get a system in place with a scouting system. Then we will start to produce quality.
Saints and palace have produced players who have graced the permiership.. That's not luck but sheer hard work by outstanding coaching staff.
Foster caskey needs to show his ability week in week out, but that's young players, lots of clubs looked at him, lack of pace his downfall.
As for dunk, he has to make that position his, stop the mistakes, and step up.
I agree with the above regarding young players and the massive investment into the Academy should allow a much more even playing field to enable the Albion to attract quality youngsters, something that it's been unable and/or unwilling to do previously. London apart, the South East has never been seen as an "hot bed" of soccer talent compared to some other areas. I lived for some years in the North East and Middlesbrough, as an example, were on occasion able to field a full team of local kids,a number of whom have gone onto make good careers for themselves.There are numerous reasons for this, that aren't neccessarily football related, suffice to say that when trying to bring a youngster to the club, parents, schools and good liaison with local clubs and a proper scouting system is of paramount importance. And of course, if a club can produce just one player a year into the first team squad on a regular basis, this would probably be regarded as successful.
I think Mark above is right about the length of time it will take to get a decent system in place and key will be convincing good young players and their parents/guardians that the Brighton Academy is the place to be. Finally and I hope not too boringly, clubs like Brighton will have to rely more and more in the future on producing young players to either make up much of the first team squad, or to be sold on for profit in order to remain viable and competitive
.
Great postings
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Taffster, Dobbie, Crofts and Lopez have started matches if my memory serves me correctly, Dobbie only last week. It seems to me that if a player is signed some fans think that it means they will start every week, or even most weeks, that's npt the case. Some players are signed as squad players, they know that their role may not mean that they start matches that often. When the three names above get their chance to start they need to shine brightly enough to ensure a good claim to start the next match. In an ideal world we would have eleven starting and eleven just as good to cover every position in case of injury or suspension. I don't think we have the money to pay wages to two quality starting elevens. As for the youngsters, many of them came to us when we were in Div one, the higher we climb the better the quality of the young kids will be. A sixteen year old who has the choice of coming to a Div one team of a top ten Championship team or better, will choose the higher team. ,[/p][/quote]The club have just got rid of hInsh and the other poor coaching staff, the idea that things will change over night, are simply deluded, It will take 5 years to get a system in place with a scouting system. Then we will start to produce quality. Saints and palace have produced players who have graced the permiership.. That's not luck but sheer hard work by outstanding coaching staff. Foster caskey needs to show his ability week in week out, but that's young players, lots of clubs looked at him, lack of pace his downfall. As for dunk, he has to make that position his, stop the mistakes, and step up.[/p][/quote]I agree with the above regarding young players and the massive investment into the Academy should allow a much more even playing field to enable the Albion to attract quality youngsters, something that it's been unable and/or unwilling to do previously. London apart, the South East has never been seen as an "hot bed" of soccer talent compared to some other areas. I lived for some years in the North East and Middlesbrough, as an example, were on occasion able to field a full team of local kids,a number of whom have gone onto make good careers for themselves.There are numerous reasons for this, that aren't neccessarily football related, suffice to say that when trying to bring a youngster to the club, parents, schools and good liaison with local clubs and a proper scouting system is of paramount importance. And of course, if a club can produce just one player a year into the first team squad on a regular basis, this would probably be regarded as successful. I think Mark above is right about the length of time it will take to get a decent system in place and key will be convincing good young players and their parents/guardians that the Brighton Academy is the place to be. Finally and I hope not too boringly, clubs like Brighton will have to rely more and more in the future on producing young players to either make up much of the first team squad, or to be sold on for profit in order to remain viable and competitive .[/p][/quote]Great postings Hovite
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6:10pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Freeloaders says...

Hovite wrote:
the taffster is Freeloader by the way.

Talking to and agreeing with himself again.
Get a life you sad little man i post under one name.If you could read & had a brain of your own you would see Poyet is just saying the same as me.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: the taffster is Freeloader by the way. Talking to and agreeing with himself again.[/p][/quote]Get a life you sad little man i post under one name.If you could read & had a brain of your own you would see Poyet is just saying the same as me. Freeloaders
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7:12pm Tue 11 Dec 12

Hovite says...

Yeah right, and my mum is younger than me.
Yeah right, and my mum is younger than me. Hovite
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10:21am Wed 12 Dec 12

the taffster says...

Hovite wrote:
the taffster is Freeloader by the way.

Talking to and agreeing with himself again.
entitled to my comment.it is the truth though.name me one player from the academy squad whos ready for first team football?.gus is even thinking of loaning/buying players come jan.this shows the squad he has assembled arent up to the task of reaching the play offs.how many mediocre midfielders do we need on the books? the balance of the squad is all wrong.hes paying these players wages for reserve team football and it appears no other clubs are intrested in borrowing them.too many crap signings and too many quality strikers gone.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: the taffster is Freeloader by the way. Talking to and agreeing with himself again.[/p][/quote]entitled to my comment.it is the truth though.name me one player from the academy squad whos ready for first team football?.gus is even thinking of loaning/buying players come jan.this shows the squad he has assembled arent up to the task of reaching the play offs.how many mediocre midfielders do we need on the books? the balance of the squad is all wrong.hes paying these players wages for reserve team football and it appears no other clubs are intrested in borrowing them.too many crap signings and too many quality strikers gone. the taffster
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5:11pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Hovite says...

yadayadayadayada

Toby and JFC are from the acadamy and have already made it into the first team.

Case closed monkey brain.
yadayadayadayada Toby and JFC are from the acadamy and have already made it into the first team. Case closed monkey brain. Hovite
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6:10pm Wed 12 Dec 12

the taffster says...

Hovite wrote:
yadayadayadayada

Toby and JFC are from the acadamy and have already made it into the first team.

Case closed monkey brain.
tobys an unused sub.jfc is out on loan and not in gus,s plans.case closed you member .
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: yadayadayadayada Toby and JFC are from the acadamy and have already made it into the first team. Case closed monkey brain.[/p][/quote]tobys an unused sub.jfc is out on loan and not in gus,s plans.case closed you member . the taffster
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6:11pm Wed 12 Dec 12

the taffster says...

Hovite wrote:
yadayadayadayada

Toby and JFC are from the acadamy and have already made it into the first team.

Case closed monkey brain.
tobys an unused sub.jfc is out on loan and not in gus,s plans.case closed you member .
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: yadayadayadayada Toby and JFC are from the acadamy and have already made it into the first team. Case closed monkey brain.[/p][/quote]tobys an unused sub.jfc is out on loan and not in gus,s plans.case closed you member . the taffster
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8:07pm Wed 12 Dec 12

Hovite says...

yadayadayadayada
yadayadayadayada Hovite
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