Vicente's on the way back (From The Argus)
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Vicente's on the way back
9:30am Wednesday 12th December 2012 in Albion By Andy Naylor
Vicente is making his way back to fitness
Vicente has been earmarked for a New Year comeback for Albion.
And boss Gus Poyet admits it will feel like a January signing if the Spanish playmaker is available again.
A thigh tendon injury has sidelined Vicente since a brief appearance as a substitute in Albion’s first home game in the Championship against Cardiff back in August.
The return of the former Valencia playmaker would provide a boost to the Seagulls’ promotion challenge akin to a fresh face arriving once the transfer window re-opens on January 1.
Poyet told The Argus: “That is the idea. It doesn’t need to be in January, it could be in December! I won’t have a problem if he can play on the 29th (home to Watford) or the 22nd (away to Blackburn). If that was the case it would be great.”
Vicente is currently on an individual rehab programme, specifically designed by Albion’s medical team to step up his recovery.
He has yet to resume training with the rest of the squad and Poyet is loathed to put a precise timescale on his return to the main group after several false starts.
“He has been training last week but with us I don’t know,” Poyet said. “He has been training more than he was a month ago.
“He has been working on his fitness in different ways, a different programme so that he can get better and maybe join the group.
“He has been doing a bit of everything, strength work, controlled training, running, the new gravity treadmill and plenty of pool exercises which could be really hard but not the same as playing.
“It is a different way of bringing him back to the first team quickly, where he can train and forget about everything. I don’t want to put a date on it, because that’s not fair.”
Comments(58)
Clean Sheet
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9:55am Wed 12 Dec 12
If this is real I would be stunned, and delighted.
CantUseNSCatWork
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9:59am Wed 12 Dec 12
Bob!
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10:02am Wed 12 Dec 12
It's a shame that he's still out while Spanish Andy is out, as I see them competing for the same position.
smilingseagull
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10:07am Wed 12 Dec 12
Of course I hope I am wrong and we have V back and a murrey esk striker on board.
Dr Baldhead
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10:10am Wed 12 Dec 12
Bob! wrote:You may be right on the position, but there's not a lot of competition. A fit Vicente is head and shoulders above any other playmaker in this division, let alone the club.
Great News that his rehab seems to be going well.
It's a shame that he's still out while Spanish Andy is out, as I see them competing for the same position.
reagull
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10:26am Wed 12 Dec 12
present, it just might get even better! ole!
the taffster
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10:28am Wed 12 Dec 12
lowerbeedingseagull
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10:31am Wed 12 Dec 12
BobbyLaverick
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10:41am Wed 12 Dec 12
Yes, he is a very good player to watch, a crowd attraction and pleaser. But at the end of the day, he is not exactly helping the club to better things.
pjwilk
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10:42am Wed 12 Dec 12
pjwilk
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10:42am Wed 12 Dec 12
hannover seagull
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10:42am Wed 12 Dec 12
Thigh tendon injuries are notoriously difficult to deal with (big muscle etc)as opposed to breaks which are sometimes easier to mend
Predicting an exact time of return after re-hab is anyones guess
We just have to keep patient till we know one way or the other and I for one hope and believe he will be back with a vengeance
As Harry Redknapp once said
Managing a football club is easy
managing the expectations of supporters is another matter
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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11:49am Wed 12 Dec 12
CantUseNSCatWork wrote:And don't blink or you'll miss it as he'll get injured again.
Believe it when I see it
pappaK
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11:52am Wed 12 Dec 12
nt-Understanding- Patient- and debate well without malice.I was not here when you were at Withdean.Stop for a minute and think how far you have come in such a short time,embrace the staff,players stadium you now own.
YOU also have a Theatre of DREAMS. .......... Q.. E... D
SamPeters93
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11:53am Wed 12 Dec 12
Gee Jay
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11:54am Wed 12 Dec 12
Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS)
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11:57am Wed 12 Dec 12
smilingseagull wrote:My thoughts exactly. However, I'm typing this with a broad smile as I can't wait to see Vicente back in action - we're a different team with him in the side and I think we owe one or two of our competitors a bit of a spanking (one in particular!)
just glossing over the disapointment of Albion not signing a striker in the Jan window!
Of course I hope I am wrong and we have V back and a murrey esk striker on board.
wole
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12:12pm Wed 12 Dec 12
No doubt about his talent and is by far the best in that league but he is taking the pi55 out of the club.
mark5
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12:16pm Wed 12 Dec 12
Bob!
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12:18pm Wed 12 Dec 12
BobbyLaverick wrote:As I understand it the guy is on a pay per play, so is not a large financial outlay for The Albion whilst he's not playing.
Catch 22 situation here. Vicente would more than likely have left by now but for his continuing injuries. This is good for us, because he is still in the squad. On the other hand, he is something of a financial liability to the club. He still draws wages, but his rare appearances make him of negligible value overall. Yes, he is a very good player to watch, a crowd attraction and pleaser. But at the end of the day, he is not exactly helping the club to better things.
I hope we get to pay loads more to the guy, as that will mean he's playing!
Old Scrote of the Amex
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12:22pm Wed 12 Dec 12
wole wrote:Is he? Is he really? In what way? The guy is injured, FFS. Just because he's not got a plaster cast on or hobbling around on crutches does not mean he is fit to play. He is injured and will play when fit.
Well it would be nice for him to play again just so another club can transfer him and have him on their wage bill.
No doubt about his talent and is by far the best in that league but he is taking the pi55 out of the club.
tinker111
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12:31pm Wed 12 Dec 12
VegasSeagull
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1:18pm Wed 12 Dec 12
There is no resale value to Brighton, he is not on contract after this season, so we must get all we can from him whilst he is here.
With the amount of matches he has missed so far, and the few he will miss as we run up to january, I would have torn up his contract but that's me and I don't manage the club.
Brighton are a better team with a fit Vicente than we are without him so I hope he can repay the patience both the fans and club have shown to him.
When a fit Vicente takes to the park he can raise the game of those around him, it will be interesting to see who benefits most, CMS, Hoskins and maybe Dobbie, I can see them two working well together.
9 of us
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1:28pm Wed 12 Dec 12
I do wonder if this is actually what he said? Planet Pluto for sure as someone mentioned earlier.
Albion23
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1:41pm Wed 12 Dec 12
saraman
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2:15pm Wed 12 Dec 12
Carter_Cooldancer
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2:19pm Wed 12 Dec 12
saraman
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2:39pm Wed 12 Dec 12
BobbyLaverick
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2:39pm Wed 12 Dec 12
Bob! wrote:Pay per play? You're having a laugh aren't you? No way!
BobbyLaverick wrote:As I understand it the guy is on a pay per play, so is not a large financial outlay for The Albion whilst he's not playing.
Catch 22 situation here. Vicente would more than likely have left by now but for his continuing injuries. This is good for us, because he is still in the squad. On the other hand, he is something of a financial liability to the club. He still draws wages, but his rare appearances make him of negligible value overall. Yes, he is a very good player to watch, a crowd attraction and pleaser. But at the end of the day, he is not exactly helping the club to better things.
I hope we get to pay loads more to the guy, as that will mean he's playing!
tug509
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2:44pm Wed 12 Dec 12
mr punch
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3:03pm Wed 12 Dec 12
Hovite
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3:37pm Wed 12 Dec 12
pappaK wrote:Off to Oz to play poker with Tony Bloom again?
A good Christmas present to those who wait VINCENTE.To all you guys and Girls out there .wish you all a Happy Christmas,I`m off home to OZ till Feb.In the New Year,may you all be Happy-Healthy-Tolere
nt-Understanding- Patient- and debate well without malice.I was not here when you were at Withdean.Stop for a minute and think how far you have come in such a short time,embrace the staff,players stadium you now own.
YOU also have a Theatre of DREAMS. .......... Q.. E... D
mark by the sea
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4:00pm Wed 12 Dec 12
ballantrrae
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4:18pm Wed 12 Dec 12
BobbyLaverick wrote:I thought he was on a basic salary with add ons when he plays.
Bob! wrote:Pay per play? You're having a laugh aren't you? No way!
BobbyLaverick wrote:As I understand it the guy is on a pay per play, so is not a large financial outlay for The Albion whilst he's not playing.
Catch 22 situation here. Vicente would more than likely have left by now but for his continuing injuries. This is good for us, because he is still in the squad. On the other hand, he is something of a financial liability to the club. He still draws wages, but his rare appearances make him of negligible value overall. Yes, he is a very good player to watch, a crowd attraction and pleaser. But at the end of the day, he is not exactly helping the club to better things.
I hope we get to pay loads more to the guy, as that will mean he's playing!
The good news is that he might be fit for the Newcastle game. Having seen his performance against Chelsea one would be delighted to see him back.
Still unsure whether we will get more than a few games from him - his body seems crocked.
JoeBlow
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4:24pm Wed 12 Dec 12
Hovite
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4:52pm Wed 12 Dec 12
Funny thing is, some fans beleive this tripe.
Good to know we are not alone in understanding this.
Hovite
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4:58pm Wed 12 Dec 12
ballantrrae
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5:17pm Wed 12 Dec 12
JoeBlow wrote:I don't think it is the Argus's comments that really are the basis for many posters's views regarding Vicente's health.
Sadly most people's opinions of Vicente's health seem to have been generated by the facile comments in the Argus rather than what the club have said all along.
Most of the news on Vicente's recovery from injury have originated from the Club both last season and this. The club clearly realises that his fitness is problematical and are doing their best to handle it.
Given his injury problems at the end of his time with Valencia and the relatively few appearances he has made for the Albion Vicente clearly has an ongoing problem in trying to maintain fitness.
This is a tragedy for him and most unfortunate for BHA. One must however applaud the club's efforts in trying to deal with the situation and get him back playing again. If the club succeeds it could benefit hugely.
In the meantime I hope the club can get Orlandi back playing again asap.
VegasSeagull
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6:05pm Wed 12 Dec 12
I think Vicente might be closer to a come back than some of us think, I say this simply based on what Gus is saying, 'it doesn't need to be january it could be in december.'
As we all know the swimming pool is the best place to exercise because every part of your body gets a work out, you can't protect any area. Vicente is reported to be working in the pool and has been doing strength work and running, these must be good signs as to his full recovery.
pablobrowno
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6:11pm Wed 12 Dec 12
I'm not seriously suggesting that we wouldn't benefit from a fit V but merely pointing out that one swallow doesn't make a summer, and indeed one Vicente doesn't make a winning team! ;)
VegasSeagull
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6:33pm Wed 12 Dec 12
pablobrowno wrote:You are probabaly right about the points thing but, this season we have better players than last, well we do IMHO.
The ironic thing is I'm pretty sure we picked up less points with V in the side last season than we did without him. One day I'll be boring enough to sit down and work it out......one day. I'm not seriously suggesting that we wouldn't benefit from a fit V but merely pointing out that one swallow doesn't make a summer, and indeed one Vicente doesn't make a winning team! ;)
As I said in an earlier post, it's how Vicente links up with the other players and what his abilities means to other's performances.
If Vicente can bring us the creative element that we seem to have been lacking we might see more goals.
Hovite
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6:39pm Wed 12 Dec 12
To suggest something is to suggest something full stop?
dave from bexill
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6:56pm Wed 12 Dec 12
pablobrowno wrote:One Vicente may not, as you say, make a winning team, but our team with a fit Vicente in it, surely has more chance of being a winning team.
The ironic thing is I'm pretty sure we picked up less points with V in the side last season than we did without him. One day I'll be boring enough to sit down and work it out......one day.
I'm not seriously suggesting that we wouldn't benefit from a fit V but merely pointing out that one swallow doesn't make a summer, and indeed one Vicente doesn't make a winning team! ;)
Bucket feet Duffy
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7:23pm Wed 12 Dec 12
tug509 wrote:I kind of agree with this post, I also think the club may have come to a compromise in recent months over his family issues, which might explain the is he fit or not continuing saga, I think he will be available to play out the season as he was last, let's hope we finish strongly and reach the playoffs.
To have a fully fit Vicente would be a massive boon to the team,but,and i hate myself for this,because im a cynic where this guy is concerned,i cant help but think if he returns,it would mainly be to put himself in the shop window for Elche or another club back in Spain. If he finished the season injured ,his options would be limited to say the least,personally i think he will finish the season with us strongly,which of course would make everyone happy. UTA
hannover seagull
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7:42pm Wed 12 Dec 12
Bucket feet Duffy wrote:Gus has said all along the guy is injured
tug509 wrote:I kind of agree with this post, I also think the club may have come to a compromise in recent months over his family issues, which might explain the is he fit or not continuing saga, I think he will be available to play out the season as he was last, let's hope we finish strongly and reach the playoffs.
To have a fully fit Vicente would be a massive boon to the team,but,and i hate myself for this,because im a cynic where this guy is concerned,i cant help but think if he returns,it would mainly be to put himself in the shop window for Elche or another club back in Spain. If he finished the season injured ,his options would be limited to say the least,personally i think he will finish the season with us strongly,which of course would make everyone happy. UTA
Nothing more nothing less
Do you believe our managers statement of belief or not?
barnieb
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9:11pm Wed 12 Dec 12
Ringmer Rich
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9:31pm Wed 12 Dec 12
weststandupperlacostearmy
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9:44pm Wed 12 Dec 12
bhaforever
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11:15pm Wed 12 Dec 12
Freeloaders
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1:04am Thu 13 Dec 12
pablobrowno
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1:06am Thu 13 Dec 12
Hovite wrote:Au contrare Hovite, I suggested we may not have benefited LAST year from a fully fit Vicente, indeed the points tally (probably) proves it. I repeat, I am NOT suggesting we wouldn't benefit from a fully fit Vicente THIS season.
Funny that pablobrowno; however you are suggesting that we wouldn't benefit from a fit V by suggesting it, whether seriously or not.
To suggest something is to suggest something full stop?
Hope that clears it up for you!
pablobrowno
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1:07am Thu 13 Dec 12
Hope that clears it up for you!
mark by the sea
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7:57am Thu 13 Dec 12
weststandupperlacostJake who? Another one who has woke up recently when about to be out of work..
earmy wrote:
Would rather have Jake back!
SicklySeagull
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4:45pm Thu 13 Dec 12
VegasSeagull
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5:59pm Thu 13 Dec 12
SicklySeagull wrote:My reading of what might be, 'between the lines,' is that perhaps Vicente is fitter than we think at this itme.
Reading between the lines it seems Gus has no real idea when or if Vicente will appear again in our colours,when you consider how little he played in the couple of seasons before he signed for us we cannot be very hopeful.
Gus says that it doesn't have to be january, maybe late december, that thinking has to come from his understanding of the fitness work Vicente is doing and the results of that work.
sussexram40
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6:31pm Thu 13 Dec 12
The Spanish genius is on his way back at last. Could make all the difference for a late play off surge.
GosportGull
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10:35am Tue 18 Dec 12
weststandupperlacostMe too ..but be nice to have both ...GG
earmy wrote:
Would rather have Jake back!
Gazza by the sea says...
9:48am Wed 12 Dec 12