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Poyet: Let's spend big on a goalscorer

The Argus: Gus Poyet watches the action against Forest Gus Poyet watches the action against Forest

ALBION boss Gus Poyet wants the club to spend big in January on the goalscorer he believes could clinch a place in the top six in the Championship.

Poyet is more convinced than ever it could make all the difference to the Seagulls after they failed again to make the most of a glut of chances in Saturday’s 0-0 home draw against Nottingham Forest.

He told The Argus: “It’s getting closer to where it is going to be a big decision for myself, of course with the backing of the club. I would say I am now closer to bringing someone, or a few.

“It should be natural now. We should be bringing someone after what has happened this year, someone who is going to be there in the box, is going to have one or two (chances) and put the ball in the net, whether it’s a midfielder, defender or, as it normally is, a striker.

“Sometimes you need the kind of character who stands up and says ‘I’m going to score this one. Put it there, it’s mine, you have got no chance to stop me’. Normally if you have that attitude, they don’t stop you or you are going to have more chances to score than not.

“That costs a lot and at the moment we are still a little bit behind but I am doing my homework with the chairman.”

Albion are still within a win of the play-offs, despite their sixth draw in ten games in which they have only lost once but have dropped half of the 30 points available.

Poyet said: “We are there, so if they (other teams) give us the chance we are going to try to take it. If they keep doing what they are doing and we change something and we win games we have got a magnificent chance to be in the top six, no doubt.”

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9:43am Mon 17 Dec 12

Gull rush says...

Here we go then. Us true and loyal fans are right behind you Gus. Good luck in your quest.
Here we go then. Us true and loyal fans are right behind you Gus. Good luck in your quest. Gull rush
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9:47am Mon 17 Dec 12

Seaguller says...

Charlie Austin will do...
Charlie Austin will do... Seaguller
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9:49am Mon 17 Dec 12

Tommy11 says...

Well.. this was obvious from the start of the season....but we failed to get anybody. I thought Dobbie was going to be great... I know he has not played much...but when he has, he looks disinterested. Has not worked out for the lad... get shot of him in Jan.

Plus.. take Lopez and Crofts with you! I can not believe Crofts won MOM against Forrest... he huffed and puffed but did nothing all game, like all season! Bad move re-signing him.. I never actually rated him when we last had him. Amzingly over rated....
Well.. this was obvious from the start of the season....but we failed to get anybody. I thought Dobbie was going to be great... I know he has not played much...but when he has, he looks disinterested. Has not worked out for the lad... get shot of him in Jan. Plus.. take Lopez and Crofts with you! I can not believe Crofts won MOM against Forrest... he huffed and puffed but did nothing all game, like all season! Bad move re-signing him.. I never actually rated him when we last had him. Amzingly over rated.... Tommy11
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9:50am Mon 17 Dec 12

Claude Back says...

That means that CMS is definitely off to Norwich?
That means that CMS is definitely off to Norwich? Claude Back
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9:50am Mon 17 Dec 12

Seaguller says...

Charlie Austin will do...
Charlie Austin will do... Seaguller
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9:52am Mon 17 Dec 12

Seaguller says...

Don't get me wrong,I love cms but he is no Charlie Austin or Glen murray.great worker but not best finisher.
Don't get me wrong,I love cms but he is no Charlie Austin or Glen murray.great worker but not best finisher. Seaguller
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10:10am Mon 17 Dec 12

Nathan L says...

Gull rush wrote:
Here we go then. Us true and loyal fans are right behind you Gus. Good luck in your quest.
Exactly enough of this cynical knowing better than the club and manager who have given me the best two seasons of my life supporting brighton. I love this set up at the club, i love the stadium and i love the squad. Lets just keep behind them as we have superbly all season and hopefully transform this ambition into results.
[quote][p][bold]Gull rush[/bold] wrote: Here we go then. Us true and loyal fans are right behind you Gus. Good luck in your quest.[/p][/quote]Exactly enough of this cynical knowing better than the club and manager who have given me the best two seasons of my life supporting brighton. I love this set up at the club, i love the stadium and i love the squad. Lets just keep behind them as we have superbly all season and hopefully transform this ambition into results. Nathan L
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10:12am Mon 17 Dec 12

Claude Back says...

Difficult to think of anyone in our price bracket who would fit into Gus's mode of playing only one striker. Would he end up on the wing? ;-)
Difficult to think of anyone in our price bracket who would fit into Gus's mode of playing only one striker. Would he end up on the wing? ;-) Claude Back
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10:12am Mon 17 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

We need a plan B striker, someone who can hold the ball up, strong in air, and a finisher,
Norwich to offer 1.5 million plus Bennett for Bridcutt.
We need a plan B striker, someone who can hold the ball up, strong in air, and a finisher, Norwich to offer 1.5 million plus Bennett for Bridcutt. mark by the sea
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10:12am Mon 17 Dec 12

Dr Baldhead says...

Claude Back wrote:
That means that CMS is definitely off to Norwich?
I hope so! He's a nice fella and scores some good instinctive goals but it's time to cash in while we still can.

It was interesting to see Hoskins continually getting into better positions than CMA and despite his poor finishing I hope he starts tomorrow.

Saturday was the most frustrated I've felt at the Amex - the players let Gus down. We should have been 2-0 by half-time. How many times have we found that this season?? Although we are still in play-off range, the top four are pulling away. We need to actually start winning these "winnable" games asap!
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: That means that CMS is definitely off to Norwich?[/p][/quote]I hope so! He's a nice fella and scores some good instinctive goals but it's time to cash in while we still can. It was interesting to see Hoskins continually getting into better positions than CMA and despite his poor finishing I hope he starts tomorrow. Saturday was the most frustrated I've felt at the Amex - the players let Gus down. We should have been 2-0 by half-time. How many times have we found that this season?? Although we are still in play-off range, the top four are pulling away. We need to actually start winning these "winnable" games asap! Dr Baldhead
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10:14am Mon 17 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Well.. this was obvious from the start of the season....but we failed to get anybody. I thought Dobbie was going to be great... I know he has not played much...but when he has, he looks disinterested. Has not worked out for the lad... get shot of him in Jan.

Plus.. take Lopez and Crofts with you! I can not believe Crofts won MOM against Forrest... he huffed and puffed but did nothing all game, like all season! Bad move re-signing him.. I never actually rated him when we last had him. Amzingly over rated....
I'm not sure you can 'look disinterested' (that's the referee's job), but he may look uninterested :-)

And you seem to be in a minority with regards to David and Crofts. All accounts said they played well, but faded a bit after the break.

I can't wait to see who he will get - but I'll bet my mortgage it won't be Austin. Not only is he too expensive, but it's a mistake to buy someone who has just had a good half season, as it is almost impossible to carry that throughout an entire year.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: Well.. this was obvious from the start of the season....but we failed to get anybody. I thought Dobbie was going to be great... I know he has not played much...but when he has, he looks disinterested. Has not worked out for the lad... get shot of him in Jan. Plus.. take Lopez and Crofts with you! I can not believe Crofts won MOM against Forrest... he huffed and puffed but did nothing all game, like all season! Bad move re-signing him.. I never actually rated him when we last had him. Amzingly over rated....[/p][/quote]I'm not sure you can 'look disinterested' (that's the referee's job), but he may look uninterested :-) And you seem to be in a minority with regards to David and Crofts. All accounts said they played well, but faded a bit after the break. I can't wait to see who he will get - but I'll bet my mortgage it won't be Austin. Not only is he too expensive, but it's a mistake to buy someone who has just had a good half season, as it is almost impossible to carry that throughout an entire year. Old Scrote of the Amex
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10:15am Mon 17 Dec 12

Willie, Willie Irvine says...

Claude Back wrote:
That means that CMS is definitely off to Norwich?
If so, it figures there is a done deal already in place for his replacement. I think the expectation level within the club will be high and the pressure will really be on Gus to deliver a play-off spot at least if the 'big money' player does arrive. Could get interesting...
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: That means that CMS is definitely off to Norwich?[/p][/quote]If so, it figures there is a done deal already in place for his replacement. I think the expectation level within the club will be high and the pressure will really be on Gus to deliver a play-off spot at least if the 'big money' player does arrive. Could get interesting... Willie, Willie Irvine
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10:16am Mon 17 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

mark by the sea wrote:
We need a plan B striker, someone who can hold the ball up, strong in air, and a finisher,
Norwich to offer 1.5 million plus Bennett for Bridcutt.
Yep, because what we REALLY need is another right winger!
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: We need a plan B striker, someone who can hold the ball up, strong in air, and a finisher, Norwich to offer 1.5 million plus Bennett for Bridcutt.[/p][/quote]Yep, because what we REALLY need is another right winger! Old Scrote of the Amex
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10:16am Mon 17 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Dr Baldhead wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
That means that CMS is definitely off to Norwich?
I hope so! He's a nice fella and scores some good instinctive goals but it's time to cash in while we still can.

It was interesting to see Hoskins continually getting into better positions than CMA and despite his poor finishing I hope he starts tomorrow.

Saturday was the most frustrated I've felt at the Amex - the players let Gus down. We should have been 2-0 by half-time. How many times have we found that this season?? Although we are still in play-off range, the top four are pulling away. We need to actually start winning these "winnable" games asap!
Yes how many times should we have put the game to bed this season, we should be top by 2 points at least.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Baldhead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: That means that CMS is definitely off to Norwich?[/p][/quote]I hope so! He's a nice fella and scores some good instinctive goals but it's time to cash in while we still can. It was interesting to see Hoskins continually getting into better positions than CMA and despite his poor finishing I hope he starts tomorrow. Saturday was the most frustrated I've felt at the Amex - the players let Gus down. We should have been 2-0 by half-time. How many times have we found that this season?? Although we are still in play-off range, the top four are pulling away. We need to actually start winning these "winnable" games asap![/p][/quote]Yes how many times should we have put the game to bed this season, we should be top by 2 points at least. mark by the sea
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10:19am Mon 17 Dec 12

Ashford seagull says...

We wont sell bridcutt cause without him we r rubbish
We wont sell bridcutt cause without him we r rubbish Ashford seagull
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10:21am Mon 17 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
We need a plan B striker, someone who can hold the ball up, strong in air, and a finisher,
Norwich to offer 1.5 million plus Bennett for Bridcutt.
Yep, because what we REALLY need is another right winger!
I never said club would take it, but Bennett has been told he can go. If we sold bridcutt and one of our wingers, that would give Gus a replacement plus funds to spend big on a forward, that player will cost 2 million plus, I hope we don't start looking for a bargain, because a goal scorer is never cheap.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: We need a plan B striker, someone who can hold the ball up, strong in air, and a finisher, Norwich to offer 1.5 million plus Bennett for Bridcutt.[/p][/quote]Yep, because what we REALLY need is another right winger![/p][/quote]I never said club would take it, but Bennett has been told he can go. If we sold bridcutt and one of our wingers, that would give Gus a replacement plus funds to spend big on a forward, that player will cost 2 million plus, I hope we don't start looking for a bargain, because a goal scorer is never cheap. mark by the sea
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10:25am Mon 17 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
We need a plan B striker, someone who can hold the ball up, strong in air, and a finisher,
Norwich to offer 1.5 million plus Bennett for Bridcutt.
Yep, because what we REALLY need is another right winger!
I never said club would take it, but Bennett has been told he can go. If we sold bridcutt and one of our wingers, that would give Gus a replacement plus funds to spend big on a forward, that player will cost 2 million plus, I hope we don't start looking for a bargain, because a goal scorer is never cheap.
But that would leave us without a Bridcutt-type player and then we'd be whining on here for years about 'why did we let Bridcutt go', just as people are still going on about Murray. Not sure I could cope... ;-)

I agree about a striker though - no point in half measures. We have some very decent forwards already so there's no point in buying unless it's someone better or significantly different in style. Someone like Kenwynne Jones would do for me.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: We need a plan B striker, someone who can hold the ball up, strong in air, and a finisher, Norwich to offer 1.5 million plus Bennett for Bridcutt.[/p][/quote]Yep, because what we REALLY need is another right winger![/p][/quote]I never said club would take it, but Bennett has been told he can go. If we sold bridcutt and one of our wingers, that would give Gus a replacement plus funds to spend big on a forward, that player will cost 2 million plus, I hope we don't start looking for a bargain, because a goal scorer is never cheap.[/p][/quote]But that would leave us without a Bridcutt-type player and then we'd be whining on here for years about 'why did we let Bridcutt go', just as people are still going on about Murray. Not sure I could cope... ;-) I agree about a striker though - no point in half measures. We have some very decent forwards already so there's no point in buying unless it's someone better or significantly different in style. Someone like Kenwynne Jones would do for me. Old Scrote of the Amex
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10:37am Mon 17 Dec 12

pablobrowno says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
We need a plan B striker, someone who can hold the ball up, strong in air, and a finisher,
Norwich to offer 1.5 million plus Bennett for Bridcutt.
Yep, because what we REALLY need is another right winger!
I never said club would take it, but Bennett has been told he can go. If we sold bridcutt and one of our wingers, that would give Gus a replacement plus funds to spend big on a forward, that player will cost 2 million plus, I hope we don't start looking for a bargain, because a goal scorer is never cheap.
But that would leave us without a Bridcutt-type player and then we'd be whining on here for years about 'why did we let Bridcutt go', just as people are still going on about Murray. Not sure I could cope... ;-)

I agree about a striker though - no point in half measures. We have some very decent forwards already so there's no point in buying unless it's someone better or significantly different in style. Someone like Kenwynne Jones would do for me.
Didn't Southampton do OK last year with Hammond in that Bridcutt role? It could be the only way we'll be able to play Crofty and Hammond in the same team too. Bridders out of contract so we may sell but he's young enough for Bosman rule to apply?
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: We need a plan B striker, someone who can hold the ball up, strong in air, and a finisher, Norwich to offer 1.5 million plus Bennett for Bridcutt.[/p][/quote]Yep, because what we REALLY need is another right winger![/p][/quote]I never said club would take it, but Bennett has been told he can go. If we sold bridcutt and one of our wingers, that would give Gus a replacement plus funds to spend big on a forward, that player will cost 2 million plus, I hope we don't start looking for a bargain, because a goal scorer is never cheap.[/p][/quote]But that would leave us without a Bridcutt-type player and then we'd be whining on here for years about 'why did we let Bridcutt go', just as people are still going on about Murray. Not sure I could cope... ;-) I agree about a striker though - no point in half measures. We have some very decent forwards already so there's no point in buying unless it's someone better or significantly different in style. Someone like Kenwynne Jones would do for me.[/p][/quote]Didn't Southampton do OK last year with Hammond in that Bridcutt role? It could be the only way we'll be able to play Crofty and Hammond in the same team too. Bridders out of contract so we may sell but he's young enough for Bosman rule to apply? pablobrowno
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10:42am Mon 17 Dec 12

fratsomrover says...

I've long been suggesting Shola Ameobi as a perfect target man centre forward but after watching Chelsea yesterday, maybe Fernando Torres might become available. He'd fit in nicely with our Spanish contingent and a drop in grade would do his confidence the world of good. Not likely, I know, but we can all dream a little !!
I hope Hoskins gets another start tomorrow. He got into some great scoring positions on Saturday. Looked far more dangerous than CMS and is streets ahead of Barnes in movement, skill and technique. I think he'd be great alongside a big centre forward.
I note Lukaku is not getting a game at West Brom either. I touted him on this site at the start of the season as a loan target. Maybe he could be an option. We'd be nailed on top 6 contenders with any of the above three. Aah if only.
I've long been suggesting Shola Ameobi as a perfect target man centre forward but after watching Chelsea yesterday, maybe Fernando Torres might become available. He'd fit in nicely with our Spanish contingent and a drop in grade would do his confidence the world of good. Not likely, I know, but we can all dream a little !! I hope Hoskins gets another start tomorrow. He got into some great scoring positions on Saturday. Looked far more dangerous than CMS and is streets ahead of Barnes in movement, skill and technique. I think he'd be great alongside a big centre forward. I note Lukaku is not getting a game at West Brom either. I touted him on this site at the start of the season as a loan target. Maybe he could be an option. We'd be nailed on top 6 contenders with any of the above three. Aah if only. fratsomrover
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10:58am Mon 17 Dec 12

farside says...

if Gus is talking this openly it can only mean he has a loan deal tied up. Otherwise the price of every striker he went for just went up big time. Maybe the Macheda rumour from Man U has legs after all?
if Gus is talking this openly it can only mean he has a loan deal tied up. Otherwise the price of every striker he went for just went up big time. Maybe the Macheda rumour from Man U has legs after all? farside
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10:59am Mon 17 Dec 12

wiseman of hove says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Tommy11 wrote:
Well.. this was obvious from the start of the season....but we failed to get anybody. I thought Dobbie was going to be great... I know he has not played much...but when he has, he looks disinterested. Has not worked out for the lad... get shot of him in Jan.

Plus.. take Lopez and Crofts with you! I can not believe Crofts won MOM against Forrest... he huffed and puffed but did nothing all game, like all season! Bad move re-signing him.. I never actually rated him when we last had him. Amzingly over rated....
I'm not sure you can 'look disinterested' (that's the referee's job), but he may look uninterested :-)

And you seem to be in a minority with regards to David and Crofts. All accounts said they played well, but faded a bit after the break.

I can't wait to see who he will get - but I'll bet my mortgage it won't be Austin. Not only is he too expensive, but it's a mistake to buy someone who has just had a good half season, as it is almost impossible to carry that throughout an entire year.
Agreed - the manager is too shrewd to make the mistake of going for Austin
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: Well.. this was obvious from the start of the season....but we failed to get anybody. I thought Dobbie was going to be great... I know he has not played much...but when he has, he looks disinterested. Has not worked out for the lad... get shot of him in Jan. Plus.. take Lopez and Crofts with you! I can not believe Crofts won MOM against Forrest... he huffed and puffed but did nothing all game, like all season! Bad move re-signing him.. I never actually rated him when we last had him. Amzingly over rated....[/p][/quote]I'm not sure you can 'look disinterested' (that's the referee's job), but he may look uninterested :-) And you seem to be in a minority with regards to David and Crofts. All accounts said they played well, but faded a bit after the break. I can't wait to see who he will get - but I'll bet my mortgage it won't be Austin. Not only is he too expensive, but it's a mistake to buy someone who has just had a good half season, as it is almost impossible to carry that throughout an entire year.[/p][/quote]Agreed - the manager is too shrewd to make the mistake of going for Austin wiseman of hove
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11:18am Mon 17 Dec 12

pjwilk says...

Must be many big players who can score in the African leagues or the French leagues that would love to be a part of the team.
Must be many big players who can score in the African leagues or the French leagues that would love to be a part of the team. pjwilk
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11:30am Mon 17 Dec 12

Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS) says...

I would be very surprised, should Gus identify the striker he feels we need, that it will be anything other than a loan deal at this stage of the season, perhaps with an option to buy. I would be disappointed to see Bridcutt leave us but, for me at least, the jury on CMS is still very much out. Does this bold statement on spending big, emanating from Gus, presumably with approval from Tony Bloom, suggest that deals will be done on the aforementioned, making a sizable transfer kitty available? I do wish, though, that Norwich would get their Tom Tom sorted out so their scouts might navigate themselves to places other than Brighton!
I would be very surprised, should Gus identify the striker he feels we need, that it will be anything other than a loan deal at this stage of the season, perhaps with an option to buy. I would be disappointed to see Bridcutt leave us but, for me at least, the jury on CMS is still very much out. Does this bold statement on spending big, emanating from Gus, presumably with approval from Tony Bloom, suggest that deals will be done on the aforementioned, making a sizable transfer kitty available? I do wish, though, that Norwich would get their Tom Tom sorted out so their scouts might navigate themselves to places other than Brighton! Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS)
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11:45am Mon 17 Dec 12

Yogi says...

A number of clubs are interested in Bridcutt, CMS too, so if they are sold one would think a large amount of money will be available for a decent striker.

Prefer them both to stay and would like, as we've said all season, a striker to compliment CMS up front, a strong attacking midfielder, and a big stopper of a centre back.

No doubt there will be many names bounded about for future players but we need some new faces to push us forward to the top.
A number of clubs are interested in Bridcutt, CMS too, so if they are sold one would think a large amount of money will be available for a decent striker. Prefer them both to stay and would like, as we've said all season, a striker to compliment CMS up front, a strong attacking midfielder, and a big stopper of a centre back. No doubt there will be many names bounded about for future players but we need some new faces to push us forward to the top. Yogi
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12:07pm Mon 17 Dec 12

LACHANCE says...

l Just hope Bridcutt don't go,if Norwick want to pay 3 to 5 M for CMS at least we will get our money back.
l Just hope Bridcutt don't go,if Norwick want to pay 3 to 5 M for CMS at least we will get our money back. LACHANCE
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12:10pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Cardiffcgull says...

A bit off topic, (sorry), but with all you guys discussing tactics, players, strikers, managers etc., it is a bit difficult for supporters like myself who for whatever reason cannot attend home games to follow the various and differing comments.

I note that several premiership clubs have their own websites on which, for a subscription, live games can be viewed.

With all the facilities available at the Amex I wondered, particularly if we are to be promoted, if it would be possible, and viable to offer a similar service.

We would not need the expert advice of pundits etc just live pictures and sound, this could keep costs to a minimum. Whilst the initial capital outlay could be sizeable, I feel that with enough subscriptions it could become viable and encourage and promote the name of our team around the world.

I would happily pay £10 to view a match,I'm sure there are many others who would do the same. Question for VAGAS for example, would you be prepared to pay $15 to watch a live Albion game??

Back on theme, B.Z when fit??
A bit off topic, (sorry), but with all you guys discussing tactics, players, strikers, managers etc., it is a bit difficult for supporters like myself who for whatever reason cannot attend home games to follow the various and differing comments. I note that several premiership clubs have their own websites on which, for a subscription, live games can be viewed. With all the facilities available at the Amex I wondered, particularly if we are to be promoted, if it would be possible, and viable to offer a similar service. We would not need the expert advice of pundits etc just live pictures and sound, this could keep costs to a minimum. Whilst the initial capital outlay could be sizeable, I feel that with enough subscriptions it could become viable and encourage and promote the name of our team around the world. I would happily pay £10 to view a match,I'm sure there are many others who would do the same. Question for VAGAS for example, would you be prepared to pay $15 to watch a live Albion game?? Back on theme, B.Z when fit?? Cardiffcgull
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12:14pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

I think an important point is being missed here. So Gus, spends big,' and brings in a striker, 'A,' striker, singular, sorry not enough if, as some think, CMS goes.

We are half way thru the season, loads of time for injuries to occur, a buy one sell one policy is dangerous.
Gus talks about, 'someone or a few,' if CMS goes then two must to come in and possibly three. One hold up striker, God knows we need one. One new striker to finish off chances created and one to replace CMS if he goes, and I am not so sure he will right now.
If CMS stays then we can get by with two new faces up front.

There is still the matter of a new center back, hopefuly one that can head a ball from set pieces.

I would expect one or more loan deals and a single purchase up front and maybe a loan deal at the back. If Bridcutt goes I think we can deal with that from our current squad. A determined effort for promotion via the play-offs is going to need more than just a single striker.
I think an important point is being missed here. So Gus, spends big,' and brings in a striker, 'A,' striker, singular, sorry not enough if, as some think, CMS goes. We are half way thru the season, loads of time for injuries to occur, a buy one sell one policy is dangerous. Gus talks about, 'someone or a few,' if CMS goes then two must to come in and possibly three. One hold up striker, God knows we need one. One new striker to finish off chances created and one to replace CMS if he goes, and I am not so sure he will right now. If CMS stays then we can get by with two new faces up front. There is still the matter of a new center back, hopefuly one that can head a ball from set pieces. I would expect one or more loan deals and a single purchase up front and maybe a loan deal at the back. If Bridcutt goes I think we can deal with that from our current squad. A determined effort for promotion via the play-offs is going to need more than just a single striker. VegasSeagull
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12:20pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Cardiffcgull wrote:
A bit off topic, (sorry), but with all you guys discussing tactics, players, strikers, managers etc., it is a bit difficult for supporters like myself who for whatever reason cannot attend home games to follow the various and differing comments. I note that several premiership clubs have their own websites on which, for a subscription, live games can be viewed. With all the facilities available at the Amex I wondered, particularly if we are to be promoted, if it would be possible, and viable to offer a similar service. We would not need the expert advice of pundits etc just live pictures and sound, this could keep costs to a minimum. Whilst the initial capital outlay could be sizeable, I feel that with enough subscriptions it could become viable and encourage and promote the name of our team around the world. I would happily pay £10 to view a match,I'm sure there are many others who would do the same. Question for VAGAS for example, would you be prepared to pay $15 to watch a live Albion game?? Back on theme, B.Z when fit??
A good question and one I have put directly to the club.

I was told that under the TV contract that the FA has the club is not allowed to screen live coverage.
When we get the chance to watch live games on our PCs it is because the game is being shown on TV anyway, so we get a feed that we would not get if the match were not on TV.

I hope that helps you out.
[quote][p][bold]Cardiffcgull[/bold] wrote: A bit off topic, (sorry), but with all you guys discussing tactics, players, strikers, managers etc., it is a bit difficult for supporters like myself who for whatever reason cannot attend home games to follow the various and differing comments. I note that several premiership clubs have their own websites on which, for a subscription, live games can be viewed. With all the facilities available at the Amex I wondered, particularly if we are to be promoted, if it would be possible, and viable to offer a similar service. We would not need the expert advice of pundits etc just live pictures and sound, this could keep costs to a minimum. Whilst the initial capital outlay could be sizeable, I feel that with enough subscriptions it could become viable and encourage and promote the name of our team around the world. I would happily pay £10 to view a match,I'm sure there are many others who would do the same. Question for VAGAS for example, would you be prepared to pay $15 to watch a live Albion game?? Back on theme, B.Z when fit??[/p][/quote]A good question and one I have put directly to the club. I was told that under the TV contract that the FA has the club is not allowed to screen live coverage. When we get the chance to watch live games on our PCs it is because the game is being shown on TV anyway, so we get a feed that we would not get if the match were not on TV. I hope that helps you out. VegasSeagull
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12:33pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Cardiffcgull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Cardiffcgull wrote: A bit off topic, (sorry), but with all you guys discussing tactics, players, strikers, managers etc., it is a bit difficult for supporters like myself who for whatever reason cannot attend home games to follow the various and differing comments. I note that several premiership clubs have their own websites on which, for a subscription, live games can be viewed. With all the facilities available at the Amex I wondered, particularly if we are to be promoted, if it would be possible, and viable to offer a similar service. We would not need the expert advice of pundits etc just live pictures and sound, this could keep costs to a minimum. Whilst the initial capital outlay could be sizeable, I feel that with enough subscriptions it could become viable and encourage and promote the name of our team around the world. I would happily pay £10 to view a match,I'm sure there are many others who would do the same. Question for VAGAS for example, would you be prepared to pay $15 to watch a live Albion game?? Back on theme, B.Z when fit??
A good question and one I have put directly to the club. I was told that under the TV contract that the FA has the club is not allowed to screen live coverage. When we get the chance to watch live games on our PCs it is because the game is being shown on TV anyway, so we get a feed that we would not get if the match were not on TV. I hope that helps you out.
Thanks Vagas, seems ridiculous to me, what a loss of income.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cardiffcgull[/bold] wrote: A bit off topic, (sorry), but with all you guys discussing tactics, players, strikers, managers etc., it is a bit difficult for supporters like myself who for whatever reason cannot attend home games to follow the various and differing comments. I note that several premiership clubs have their own websites on which, for a subscription, live games can be viewed. With all the facilities available at the Amex I wondered, particularly if we are to be promoted, if it would be possible, and viable to offer a similar service. We would not need the expert advice of pundits etc just live pictures and sound, this could keep costs to a minimum. Whilst the initial capital outlay could be sizeable, I feel that with enough subscriptions it could become viable and encourage and promote the name of our team around the world. I would happily pay £10 to view a match,I'm sure there are many others who would do the same. Question for VAGAS for example, would you be prepared to pay $15 to watch a live Albion game?? Back on theme, B.Z when fit??[/p][/quote]A good question and one I have put directly to the club. I was told that under the TV contract that the FA has the club is not allowed to screen live coverage. When we get the chance to watch live games on our PCs it is because the game is being shown on TV anyway, so we get a feed that we would not get if the match were not on TV. I hope that helps you out.[/p][/quote]Thanks Vagas, seems ridiculous to me, what a loss of income. Cardiffcgull
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12:39pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

CardiffGull.
It might seem a loss of income but the huge fee that the FA gets is because the deal makes the broadcasting exclusive. If clubs started to stream their own broadcasts one would have to think the the FA would get less money.
What you get with in hand you would lose from the other.
CardiffGull. It might seem a loss of income but the huge fee that the FA gets is because the deal makes the broadcasting exclusive. If clubs started to stream their own broadcasts one would have to think the the FA would get less money. What you get with in hand you would lose from the other. VegasSeagull
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12:47pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Albion In Staffs says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
CardiffGull.
It might seem a loss of income but the huge fee that the FA gets is because the deal makes the broadcasting exclusive. If clubs started to stream their own broadcasts one would have to think the the FA would get less money.
What you get with in hand you would lose from the other.
Just as a point of minor order, its the Football League that does the deals for league matches not the FA. In the Prem, its the Premier League.
And you're right about the exclusivity clause. Allowing clubs to stream their own content would be catastrophic for the central deal because of the exclusivity both at home and across the world. Don't forget the club gets a decent portion of the central deal so it's not as if its a complete loss of revenue.Clubs can stream their own games but there's a holdback clause to maximise the value of the main deal. So all in all, the club isn't missing out on a trick, but it doesn't help those of us too far away to go to home games!!!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: CardiffGull. It might seem a loss of income but the huge fee that the FA gets is because the deal makes the broadcasting exclusive. If clubs started to stream their own broadcasts one would have to think the the FA would get less money. What you get with in hand you would lose from the other.[/p][/quote]Just as a point of minor order, its the Football League that does the deals for league matches not the FA. In the Prem, its the Premier League. And you're right about the exclusivity clause. Allowing clubs to stream their own content would be catastrophic for the central deal because of the exclusivity both at home and across the world. Don't forget the club gets a decent portion of the central deal so it's not as if its a complete loss of revenue.Clubs can stream their own games but there's a holdback clause to maximise the value of the main deal. So all in all, the club isn't missing out on a trick, but it doesn't help those of us too far away to go to home games!!! Albion In Staffs
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12:51pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

I would love to know your thoughts as to what is, 'big,' in terms of spending, 'big,' on a striker.

Considering the prize that might come from spending, 'big,' is 3 million big or are we looking at maybe 5 million. Could it be a loan deal that costs us 20k a week, that would be big.

How do we define big as it relates to our division.
I would love to know your thoughts as to what is, 'big,' in terms of spending, 'big,' on a striker. Considering the prize that might come from spending, 'big,' is 3 million big or are we looking at maybe 5 million. Could it be a loan deal that costs us 20k a week, that would be big. How do we define big as it relates to our division. VegasSeagull
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12:54pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: CardiffGull. It might seem a loss of income but the huge fee that the FA gets is because the deal makes the broadcasting exclusive. If clubs started to stream their own broadcasts one would have to think the the FA would get less money. What you get with in hand you would lose from the other.
Just as a point of minor order, its the Football League that does the deals for league matches not the FA. In the Prem, its the Premier League. And you're right about the exclusivity clause. Allowing clubs to stream their own content would be catastrophic for the central deal because of the exclusivity both at home and across the world. Don't forget the club gets a decent portion of the central deal so it's not as if its a complete loss of revenue.Clubs can stream their own games but there's a holdback clause to maximise the value of the main deal. So all in all, the club isn't missing out on a trick, but it doesn't help those of us too far away to go to home games!!!
I stand corrected but I am sure that you knew what I meant.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: CardiffGull. It might seem a loss of income but the huge fee that the FA gets is because the deal makes the broadcasting exclusive. If clubs started to stream their own broadcasts one would have to think the the FA would get less money. What you get with in hand you would lose from the other.[/p][/quote]Just as a point of minor order, its the Football League that does the deals for league matches not the FA. In the Prem, its the Premier League. And you're right about the exclusivity clause. Allowing clubs to stream their own content would be catastrophic for the central deal because of the exclusivity both at home and across the world. Don't forget the club gets a decent portion of the central deal so it's not as if its a complete loss of revenue.Clubs can stream their own games but there's a holdback clause to maximise the value of the main deal. So all in all, the club isn't missing out on a trick, but it doesn't help those of us too far away to go to home games!!![/p][/quote]I stand corrected but I am sure that you knew what I meant. VegasSeagull
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12:55pm Mon 17 Dec 12

JUPILER says...

That we are going to have to spend big that's for shure,do not think there are many players who would now not want to sign for us,but the pricetag will also reflect on this.Hope Gus goes for it on time and does not wait till the last few hours.
That we are going to have to spend big that's for shure,do not think there are many players who would now not want to sign for us,but the pricetag will also reflect on this.Hope Gus goes for it on time and does not wait till the last few hours. JUPILER
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1:04pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

JUPILER wrote:
That we are going to have to spend big that's for shure,do not think there are many players who would now not want to sign for us,but the pricetag will also reflect on this.Hope Gus goes for it on time and does not wait till the last few hours.
If a player does not want to sign for us then that's it, forget about him.
There are those out there desperate to play, players that, for what ever reason, just can't get a regular start, some of these guys would jump at the chance to play for Brighton.

Two fine examples would be Wayne Bridge and our keeper. If we could find two strikers that could deliver in the way these two have in their roles our problems would be almost solved.
.
[quote][p][bold]JUPILER[/bold] wrote: That we are going to have to spend big that's for shure,do not think there are many players who would now not want to sign for us,but the pricetag will also reflect on this.Hope Gus goes for it on time and does not wait till the last few hours.[/p][/quote]If a player does not want to sign for us then that's it, forget about him. There are those out there desperate to play, players that, for what ever reason, just can't get a regular start, some of these guys would jump at the chance to play for Brighton. Two fine examples would be Wayne Bridge and our keeper. If we could find two strikers that could deliver in the way these two have in their roles our problems would be almost solved. . VegasSeagull
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1:07pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

If Bridcutt goes how about trying to bring Lampard in, I am sure he would have more fun playing for us than the 18 month deal reportedly being offered by QPR.
If Bridcutt goes how about trying to bring Lampard in, I am sure he would have more fun playing for us than the 18 month deal reportedly being offered by QPR. VegasSeagull
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1:16pm Mon 17 Dec 12

JUPILER says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
JUPILER wrote:
That we are going to have to spend big that's for shure,do not think there are many players who would now not want to sign for us,but the pricetag will also reflect on this.Hope Gus goes for it on time and does not wait till the last few hours.
If a player does not want to sign for us then that's it, forget about him.
There are those out there desperate to play, players that, for what ever reason, just can't get a regular start, some of these guys would jump at the chance to play for Brighton.

Two fine examples would be Wayne Bridge and our keeper. If we could find two strikers that could deliver in the way these two have in their roles our problems would be almost solved.
.
I said there are not many players who would not now want to sign for us,that Wayne Bridge is doing a great job for us Ok,but would he have joined us if Man City were not paying around 90% of his wages ?.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JUPILER[/bold] wrote: That we are going to have to spend big that's for shure,do not think there are many players who would now not want to sign for us,but the pricetag will also reflect on this.Hope Gus goes for it on time and does not wait till the last few hours.[/p][/quote]If a player does not want to sign for us then that's it, forget about him. There are those out there desperate to play, players that, for what ever reason, just can't get a regular start, some of these guys would jump at the chance to play for Brighton. Two fine examples would be Wayne Bridge and our keeper. If we could find two strikers that could deliver in the way these two have in their roles our problems would be almost solved. .[/p][/quote]I said there are not many players who would not now want to sign for us,that Wayne Bridge is doing a great job for us Ok,but would he have joined us if Man City were not paying around 90% of his wages ?. JUPILER
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1:25pm Mon 17 Dec 12

GlenBrighthelmstone says...

We need to keep CMS and buy the hold up player we should have bought in the Summer. A bigger concern is that Bridcutts contract is up at the end of the season and we still haven't agreed a new deal?
We need to keep CMS and buy the hold up player we should have bought in the Summer. A bigger concern is that Bridcutts contract is up at the end of the season and we still haven't agreed a new deal? GlenBrighthelmstone
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1:45pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Good Ol' Hemz by the Sea says...

Charlie Austin is not gonna happen!

On the Macheda rumors, is he the big target man we need? From what I remember he is a slight and skillfull player?

I would be happier to see a Kenwynne Jones type but also think we need a big lad in midfield.

I don't have the answer to our problems but sure Gus knows what he wants, maybe a foreign player we've not heard of can be got far cheaper than anyone currently in Prem / Champ? Michu at the start of the year for example??
Charlie Austin is not gonna happen! On the Macheda rumors, is he the big target man we need? From what I remember he is a slight and skillfull player? I would be happier to see a Kenwynne Jones type but also think we need a big lad in midfield. I don't have the answer to our problems but sure Gus knows what he wants, maybe a foreign player we've not heard of can be got far cheaper than anyone currently in Prem / Champ? Michu at the start of the year for example?? Good Ol' Hemz by the Sea
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1:52pm Mon 17 Dec 12

fairweathersupporter says...

Hallelujah! So the rumours of around 4 to 5 Million has some legs??? Working with the chairman.. Good that should keep the wums quiet. As for CMS, it's really back to the position in the summer where we can do without (with replacement) but nice bloke, runs his socks off etc. I would like to see him play the deeper role (instead of Hoskins) but Gus obviously doesn't buy it. At least for all those who were saying 'Hoskins is the answer' have had a little time to view their plan in action...You never know, we might even play 4-4-2 tomorrow!
Also in the interest of 'free speech', i would personally like to thank 'trollbuster' for the following list of wums (even though many are bloomin' obvious). I do not ask that people share the same views, only that they have some of thier own and hold them genuinely... Happy Christmas and see you all tomorrow (?). UTA.

SecondReserve, sussexram40, JUPILER, Seagullsays, john newman, Lowerbeedingseagull, wole, Jamesy_Dodger, pappaK, Aldrington actually, tinker111, LACHANCE, Seagull over Brasil, Hove Actually, Poplar Seagull, the taffster, WisdomSpeaks, Don Pedro, Freeloaders, gusset snatcher, carrot muncher, Twistlock, SicklySeagull, HoveParkResident, Buttergull, suede27.
Hallelujah! So the rumours of around 4 to 5 Million has some legs??? Working with the chairman.. Good that should keep the wums quiet. As for CMS, it's really back to the position in the summer where we can do without (with replacement) but nice bloke, runs his socks off etc. I would like to see him play the deeper role (instead of Hoskins) but Gus obviously doesn't buy it. At least for all those who were saying 'Hoskins is the answer' have had a little time to view their plan in action...You never know, we might even play 4-4-2 tomorrow! Also in the interest of 'free speech', i would personally like to thank 'trollbuster' for the following list of wums (even though many are bloomin' obvious). I do not ask that people share the same views, only that they have some of thier own and hold them genuinely... Happy Christmas and see you all tomorrow (?). UTA. SecondReserve, sussexram40, JUPILER, Seagullsays, john newman, Lowerbeedingseagull, wole, Jamesy_Dodger, pappaK, Aldrington actually, tinker111, LACHANCE, Seagull over Brasil, Hove Actually, Poplar Seagull, the taffster, WisdomSpeaks, Don Pedro, Freeloaders, gusset snatcher, carrot muncher, Twistlock, SicklySeagull, HoveParkResident, Buttergull, suede27. fairweathersupporter
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1:54pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Hovite says...

We have to keep CMS with Hoskins and Barnes and add the BZ type player into the mix to complete our strike force. All with different strengths and skill sets and attributes.

The goals will come with the right player coming in and working with them.

Zamora, would have been on the January hit list, and I am sure we would have got him, but he is out for another 2 months to come back from an operation, not helpful. Unless a stupid amount is being offered for any of our top players they have to stay here until our season is over, to sell anyone at this moment would be a step backwards.
We have to keep CMS with Hoskins and Barnes and add the BZ type player into the mix to complete our strike force. All with different strengths and skill sets and attributes. The goals will come with the right player coming in and working with them. Zamora, would have been on the January hit list, and I am sure we would have got him, but he is out for another 2 months to come back from an operation, not helpful. Unless a stupid amount is being offered for any of our top players they have to stay here until our season is over, to sell anyone at this moment would be a step backwards. Hovite
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2:06pm Mon 17 Dec 12

graham w says...

i agree with dr baldhead about starting hoskins again he did get himself into some super positions, he was very good at making space for himself , but i have to agree the 3 chances he had, he should have put at least two away, so lets give him a chance, to see if he can finnish.. cos everything was fine , and dobbie looks as if hes not interested, so gus its up to you to bring in some quality ,,
i agree with dr baldhead about starting hoskins again he did get himself into some super positions, he was very good at making space for himself , but i have to agree the 3 chances he had, he should have put at least two away, so lets give him a chance, to see if he can finnish.. cos everything was fine , and dobbie looks as if hes not interested, so gus its up to you to bring in some quality ,, graham w
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2:09pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Southamptoncandoone says...

I hope Norwich are stupid enough to wast some serious cash on CMS. I would honestly say he's the biggest waste of money I've ever seen in a Brighton shirt. He runs around like a muppet and does little else.
If we'd had Billy Sharp playing for us on Saturday we'd have won, he's not the answer to our problems but he's a proper goalscorer.
John Guidetti from Man City would be a great buy/loan, he scored 20 goals in 23 games for Feyenoord last season and made his debut for Sweden this year.
I hope Norwich are stupid enough to wast some serious cash on CMS. I would honestly say he's the biggest waste of money I've ever seen in a Brighton shirt. He runs around like a muppet and does little else. If we'd had Billy Sharp playing for us on Saturday we'd have won, he's not the answer to our problems but he's a proper goalscorer. John Guidetti from Man City would be a great buy/loan, he scored 20 goals in 23 games for Feyenoord last season and made his debut for Sweden this year. Southamptoncandoone
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2:21pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Hovite says...

Agree graham w, Hoskins should have had a hat trick and was always in the right place at the right time. I am confident he will come good and he is what we missed last season when he was injured.

To also give CMS his credit he was dragging the defense with him to make Hoskins the space.
Agree graham w, Hoskins should have had a hat trick and was always in the right place at the right time. I am confident he will come good and he is what we missed last season when he was injured. To also give CMS his credit he was dragging the defense with him to make Hoskins the space. Hovite
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2:21pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Tommy11 says...

Hovite wrote:
We have to keep CMS with Hoskins and Barnes and add the BZ type player into the mix to complete our strike force. All with different strengths and skill sets and attributes. The goals will come with the right player coming in and working with them. Zamora, would have been on the January hit list, and I am sure we would have got him, but he is out for another 2 months to come back from an operation, not helpful. Unless a stupid amount is being offered for any of our top players they have to stay here until our season is over, to sell anyone at this moment would be a step backwards.
No no no no no......

Our current strike force is NOT good enough....I do like CMS and he does give us something a bit different. But in all honesty, I'm not sure he is even a chanmpionship stiker yet.. let alone premiership. If we get alot of money for him, I think we should take it.

In regards to Hoskins and Barnes...you must be joking....

It's no good to sign someone like Bobby to 'complete our strike forces' ..we don't have a strike force...

Besides... as much as i like Bobby.. he is NOT the type of player we need.

Box tap in merchant.... that's what we need.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: We have to keep CMS with Hoskins and Barnes and add the BZ type player into the mix to complete our strike force. All with different strengths and skill sets and attributes. The goals will come with the right player coming in and working with them. Zamora, would have been on the January hit list, and I am sure we would have got him, but he is out for another 2 months to come back from an operation, not helpful. Unless a stupid amount is being offered for any of our top players they have to stay here until our season is over, to sell anyone at this moment would be a step backwards.[/p][/quote]No no no no no...... Our current strike force is NOT good enough....I do like CMS and he does give us something a bit different. But in all honesty, I'm not sure he is even a chanmpionship stiker yet.. let alone premiership. If we get alot of money for him, I think we should take it. In regards to Hoskins and Barnes...you must be joking.... It's no good to sign someone like Bobby to 'complete our strike forces' ..we don't have a strike force... Besides... as much as i like Bobby.. he is NOT the type of player we need. Box tap in merchant.... that's what we need. Tommy11
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2:35pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Never_Wrong says...

I'd suggest that the player will be (a) Spanish, (b) 30+ years old and, (c) someone we've never heard of.
I'd suggest that the player will be (a) Spanish, (b) 30+ years old and, (c) someone we've never heard of. Never_Wrong
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2:42pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Never_Wrong says...

.....lets say Javier Guerra Rodríguez.
.....lets say Javier Guerra Rodríguez. Never_Wrong
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2:42pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Hovite says...

The way I see it Tommy is that players are always learning and getting better even if it doesn't always appear that way on the pitch.

If the players that we have got are the finished article then fair enough.

When I watch MOTD, there are always easy goals being missed so it doesn't just happen to us.

Every game is a rehearsal and the training ground can only do so much.

At least CMS is getting near misses and we are creating opportunities unlike last year.
The way I see it Tommy is that players are always learning and getting better even if it doesn't always appear that way on the pitch. If the players that we have got are the finished article then fair enough. When I watch MOTD, there are always easy goals being missed so it doesn't just happen to us. Every game is a rehearsal and the training ground can only do so much. At least CMS is getting near misses and we are creating opportunities unlike last year. Hovite
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2:44pm Mon 17 Dec 12

JUPILER says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Hovite wrote:
We have to keep CMS with Hoskins and Barnes and add the BZ type player into the mix to complete our strike force. All with different strengths and skill sets and attributes. The goals will come with the right player coming in and working with them. Zamora, would have been on the January hit list, and I am sure we would have got him, but he is out for another 2 months to come back from an operation, not helpful. Unless a stupid amount is being offered for any of our top players they have to stay here until our season is over, to sell anyone at this moment would be a step backwards.
No no no no no......

Our current strike force is NOT good enough....I do like CMS and he does give us something a bit different. But in all honesty, I'm not sure he is even a chanmpionship stiker yet.. let alone premiership. If we get alot of money for him, I think we should take it.

In regards to Hoskins and Barnes...you must be joking....

It's no good to sign someone like Bobby to 'complete our strike forces' ..we don't have a strike force...

Besides... as much as i like Bobby.. he is NOT the type of player we need.

Box tap in merchant.... that's what we need.
100% my thoughts a killer finisher Box tap in merchant is what we need the rest we have.Off point glad to be classed as a wum if thats what the playstation Manager gamers think.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: We have to keep CMS with Hoskins and Barnes and add the BZ type player into the mix to complete our strike force. All with different strengths and skill sets and attributes. The goals will come with the right player coming in and working with them. Zamora, would have been on the January hit list, and I am sure we would have got him, but he is out for another 2 months to come back from an operation, not helpful. Unless a stupid amount is being offered for any of our top players they have to stay here until our season is over, to sell anyone at this moment would be a step backwards.[/p][/quote]No no no no no...... Our current strike force is NOT good enough....I do like CMS and he does give us something a bit different. But in all honesty, I'm not sure he is even a chanmpionship stiker yet.. let alone premiership. If we get alot of money for him, I think we should take it. In regards to Hoskins and Barnes...you must be joking.... It's no good to sign someone like Bobby to 'complete our strike forces' ..we don't have a strike force... Besides... as much as i like Bobby.. he is NOT the type of player we need. Box tap in merchant.... that's what we need.[/p][/quote]100% my thoughts a killer finisher Box tap in merchant is what we need the rest we have.Off point glad to be classed as a wum if thats what the playstation Manager gamers think. JUPILER
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2:46pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Beethoven says...

If CMS is considered 'not up to the job' of scoring in the Championship, I just wonder why we think that a Premiership club like Norwich would want him?

Do they see something that we do not? Would they be able to get him to score against world class defences? If so, what does that say about our coaching and tactics?

Since Glen Murray is scoring goals wholesale for our rivals, would it be de ja vue all over again?
If CMS is considered 'not up to the job' of scoring in the Championship, I just wonder why we think that a Premiership club like Norwich would want him? Do they see something that we do not? Would they be able to get him to score against world class defences? If so, what does that say about our coaching and tactics? Since Glen Murray is scoring goals wholesale for our rivals, would it be de ja vue all over again? Beethoven
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2:56pm Mon 17 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

Exactly what I've been saying is desperately needed for weeks. Very glad GP sees it as I do and acknowledges the situation as it is.
We can't afford to wait until the end of January and a last minute deal. January can't be thrown away. Crucial GP can get a fox in the box signed up in early Jan not late Jan. Go through January drawing matches and dropping home points and this season is well and truly over. If we get the right man in Jnauary we still have an outside chance of making the top 6 if we go on an electric run of form.
Exactly what I've been saying is desperately needed for weeks. Very glad GP sees it as I do and acknowledges the situation as it is. We can't afford to wait until the end of January and a last minute deal. January can't be thrown away. Crucial GP can get a fox in the box signed up in early Jan not late Jan. Go through January drawing matches and dropping home points and this season is well and truly over. If we get the right man in Jnauary we still have an outside chance of making the top 6 if we go on an electric run of form. sussexram40
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2:56pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

I am in large in agreement with Hovite regarding CMS, he is not one to let go, not right now anyway.
If we can get a couple of new strikers, and yes one as a hold up guy, then we might see the best of CMS, I am sure that we haven't as of yet, and I would say the same of Dobbie.

If CMS were to go and a new guy replaced him what happens if the new guy gets injured, we are back where we started but no CMS. I don't think that we need to replce CMS, I think we need to add to him. Could Barnes go, yes but he would need replacing.

Hoskins is showing some good signs but has yet to find the net. Buckley has dried up on the goal front.

Additional strikers are needed, not replacements, that's my view of it.

,
I am in large in agreement with Hovite regarding CMS, he is not one to let go, not right now anyway. If we can get a couple of new strikers, and yes one as a hold up guy, then we might see the best of CMS, I am sure that we haven't as of yet, and I would say the same of Dobbie. If CMS were to go and a new guy replaced him what happens if the new guy gets injured, we are back where we started but no CMS. I don't think that we need to replce CMS, I think we need to add to him. Could Barnes go, yes but he would need replacing. Hoskins is showing some good signs but has yet to find the net. Buckley has dried up on the goal front. Additional strikers are needed, not replacements, that's my view of it. , VegasSeagull
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3:30pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Never_Wrong wrote:
.....lets say Javier Guerra Rodríguez.
So you've given a name as an example of someone you've never heard of? Right...
[quote][p][bold]Never_Wrong[/bold] wrote: .....lets say Javier Guerra Rodríguez.[/p][/quote]So you've given a name as an example of someone you've never heard of? Right... Old Scrote of the Amex
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3:42pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Never_Wrong wrote: .....lets say Javier Guerra Rodríguez.
So you've given a name as an example of someone you've never heard of? Right...
I think the point is have any of US heard of him. I could name players from the MLS that you wouldn't have heard of unless you follow MLS.

The example he offers might be someone he knows of for some obscure reason.
.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Never_Wrong[/bold] wrote: .....lets say Javier Guerra Rodríguez.[/p][/quote]So you've given a name as an example of someone you've never heard of? Right...[/p][/quote]I think the point is have any of US heard of him. I could name players from the MLS that you wouldn't have heard of unless you follow MLS. The example he offers might be someone he knows of for some obscure reason. . VegasSeagull
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3:45pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Hovite says...

He is too short anyway.
He is too short anyway. Hovite
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3:51pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

How about Glen Murray......
How about Glen Murray...... Alfie T
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4:01pm Mon 17 Dec 12

mr punch says...

I don't care if he only costs ten bob........ long as he can score!
I don't care if he only costs ten bob........ long as he can score! mr punch
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4:28pm Mon 17 Dec 12

markymark03 says...

Conner Wickham - 6 month loan -
Not being used enough

Plus

Robbie Keane - loan while MLS is out -
MLS break for the moment, would probably cherish playing in this country for a while

Heskey! - Smashing it up down under.
Conner Wickham - 6 month loan - Not being used enough Plus Robbie Keane - loan while MLS is out - MLS break for the moment, would probably cherish playing in this country for a while Heskey! - Smashing it up down under. markymark03
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4:29pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Dr Baldhead says...

Beethoven wrote:
If CMS is considered 'not up to the job' of scoring in the Championship, I just wonder why we think that a Premiership club like Norwich would want him?

Do they see something that we do not? Would they be able to get him to score against world class defences? If so, what does that say about our coaching and tactics?

Since Glen Murray is scoring goals wholesale for our rivals, would it be de ja vue all over again?
Funny - was discussing this on Saturday with the chap who sits next to me at the Amex. We came to the conclusion that CMS is at his best when he has less time to think about his finishing - examples being Burnley and Charlton, but falls down when he has the ball at his feet and time to dwell on it (on Saturday he did a mazy dribble towards the end of the first half, beat a couple of players and then put a tame shot wide of the post).

We wondered if he might do well in the Prem as an out and out finisher by way of latching onto chances provided for him by players more creative than those we have at Albion. Who knows? He may, but then again, he may continue to miss more than he scores as he does now. If he goes, I'd wish him well and be pleased if he does a good job elsewhere. Personally, I just don't think it's worked out with us as either CMS or BHA would have hoped, and I'd be happy to sell him and recycle the money on another striker.
[quote][p][bold]Beethoven[/bold] wrote: If CMS is considered 'not up to the job' of scoring in the Championship, I just wonder why we think that a Premiership club like Norwich would want him? Do they see something that we do not? Would they be able to get him to score against world class defences? If so, what does that say about our coaching and tactics? Since Glen Murray is scoring goals wholesale for our rivals, would it be de ja vue all over again?[/p][/quote]Funny - was discussing this on Saturday with the chap who sits next to me at the Amex. We came to the conclusion that CMS is at his best when he has less time to think about his finishing - examples being Burnley and Charlton, but falls down when he has the ball at his feet and time to dwell on it (on Saturday he did a mazy dribble towards the end of the first half, beat a couple of players and then put a tame shot wide of the post). We wondered if he might do well in the Prem as an out and out finisher by way of latching onto chances provided for him by players more creative than those we have at Albion. Who knows? He may, but then again, he may continue to miss more than he scores as he does now. If he goes, I'd wish him well and be pleased if he does a good job elsewhere. Personally, I just don't think it's worked out with us as either CMS or BHA would have hoped, and I'd be happy to sell him and recycle the money on another striker. Dr Baldhead
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4:31pm Mon 17 Dec 12

JUPILER says...

Alfie T wrote:
How about Glen Murray......
I want to be wum of the year trying to score points he,though not a bad choice.back to the point who is unhappy at his club and is that club willing to let the player go to the competition we are one player away from being a great threat in this division for at least playoffs.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: How about Glen Murray......[/p][/quote]I want to be wum of the year trying to score points he,though not a bad choice.back to the point who is unhappy at his club and is that club willing to let the player go to the competition we are one player away from being a great threat in this division for at least playoffs. JUPILER
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4:38pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

markymark03 wrote:
Conner Wickham - 6 month loan -
Not being used enough

Plus

Robbie Keane - loan while MLS is out -
MLS break for the moment, would probably cherish playing in this country for a while

Heskey! - Smashing it up down under.
Connor Wickham playing right now, so unlikely to be loaned out.

Several Prem sides looking to sign Robbie Keane.

Heskey - is he really the goal-scoring player we need?
[quote][p][bold]markymark03[/bold] wrote: Conner Wickham - 6 month loan - Not being used enough Plus Robbie Keane - loan while MLS is out - MLS break for the moment, would probably cherish playing in this country for a while Heskey! - Smashing it up down under.[/p][/quote]Connor Wickham playing right now, so unlikely to be loaned out. Several Prem sides looking to sign Robbie Keane. Heskey - is he really the goal-scoring player we need? Old Scrote of the Amex
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4:51pm Mon 17 Dec 12

markymark03 says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
markymark03 wrote: Conner Wickham - 6 month loan - Not being used enough Plus Robbie Keane - loan while MLS is out - MLS break for the moment, would probably cherish playing in this country for a while Heskey! - Smashing it up down under.
Connor Wickham playing right now, so unlikely to be loaned out. Several Prem sides looking to sign Robbie Keane. Heskey - is he really the goal-scoring player we need?
Heskey scored an over head kick for his team. Can you imagine that? The earth quake when he landed must've been impressive.

As far as Wickham is concerened I thought he is being brought on a sub mostly?

Keane = wishful thinking
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]markymark03[/bold] wrote: Conner Wickham - 6 month loan - Not being used enough Plus Robbie Keane - loan while MLS is out - MLS break for the moment, would probably cherish playing in this country for a while Heskey! - Smashing it up down under.[/p][/quote]Connor Wickham playing right now, so unlikely to be loaned out. Several Prem sides looking to sign Robbie Keane. Heskey - is he really the goal-scoring player we need?[/p][/quote]Heskey scored an over head kick for his team. Can you imagine that? The earth quake when he landed must've been impressive. As far as Wickham is concerened I thought he is being brought on a sub mostly? Keane = wishful thinking markymark03
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4:57pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Jonathan Mouette says...

Thanks MarkyMark03 for joining my campaign to get Connor Wickham here. I had the impression I was on a one-man mission.

I am slightly perturbed by the persistent talk of deals with Norwich and have begun to wonder whether Grant Holt is now in the frame... He was unhappy at Carrow Rd in the summer and then signed another 3 yr deal... His goal scoring has dried up this season (4 from 17, half his ration last season) and I would guess he is still not such a happy bunny. It's true he has certain of the required attributes but needs to play off other players - much as it is perceived CMS would do... So there's another answer looking for a suitable question...!

PS: I'm not advocating Holt as a possible striker, just looking at the Norwich connection... Any thoughts...?
Thanks MarkyMark03 for joining my campaign to get Connor Wickham here. I had the impression I was on a one-man mission. I am slightly perturbed by the persistent talk of deals with Norwich and have begun to wonder whether Grant Holt is now in the frame... He was unhappy at Carrow Rd in the summer and then signed another 3 yr deal... His goal scoring has dried up this season (4 from 17, half his ration last season) and I would guess he is still not such a happy bunny. It's true he has certain of the required attributes but needs to play off other players - much as it is perceived CMS would do... So there's another answer looking for a suitable question...! PS: I'm not advocating Holt as a possible striker, just looking at the Norwich connection... Any thoughts...? Jonathan Mouette
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5:14pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Ringmer Rich says...

Jeesh! speculate, speculate, speculate... Booooorrrriiiinnnnng
ggg!
Jeesh! speculate, speculate, speculate... Booooorrrriiiinnnnng ggg! Ringmer Rich
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5:16pm Mon 17 Dec 12

russellsnr2 says...

Cardiffcgull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
Cardiffcgull wrote: A bit off topic, (sorry), but with all you guys discussing tactics, players, strikers, managers etc., it is a bit difficult for supporters like myself who for whatever reason cannot attend home games to follow the various and differing comments. I note that several premiership clubs have their own websites on which, for a subscription, live games can be viewed. With all the facilities available at the Amex I wondered, particularly if we are to be promoted, if it would be possible, and viable to offer a similar service. We would not need the expert advice of pundits etc just live pictures and sound, this could keep costs to a minimum. Whilst the initial capital outlay could be sizeable, I feel that with enough subscriptions it could become viable and encourage and promote the name of our team around the world. I would happily pay £10 to view a match,I'm sure there are many others who would do the same. Question for VAGAS for example, would you be prepared to pay $15 to watch a live Albion game?? Back on theme, B.Z when fit??
A good question and one I have put directly to the club. I was told that under the TV contract that the FA has the club is not allowed to screen live coverage. When we get the chance to watch live games on our PCs it is because the game is being shown on TV anyway, so we get a feed that we would not get if the match were not on TV. I hope that helps you out.
Thanks Vagas, seems ridiculous to me, what a loss of income.
Not TV but in-case you have not seen it tomorrows game live Radio 5 live
[quote][p][bold]Cardiffcgull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cardiffcgull[/bold] wrote: A bit off topic, (sorry), but with all you guys discussing tactics, players, strikers, managers etc., it is a bit difficult for supporters like myself who for whatever reason cannot attend home games to follow the various and differing comments. I note that several premiership clubs have their own websites on which, for a subscription, live games can be viewed. With all the facilities available at the Amex I wondered, particularly if we are to be promoted, if it would be possible, and viable to offer a similar service. We would not need the expert advice of pundits etc just live pictures and sound, this could keep costs to a minimum. Whilst the initial capital outlay could be sizeable, I feel that with enough subscriptions it could become viable and encourage and promote the name of our team around the world. I would happily pay £10 to view a match,I'm sure there are many others who would do the same. Question for VAGAS for example, would you be prepared to pay $15 to watch a live Albion game?? Back on theme, B.Z when fit??[/p][/quote]A good question and one I have put directly to the club. I was told that under the TV contract that the FA has the club is not allowed to screen live coverage. When we get the chance to watch live games on our PCs it is because the game is being shown on TV anyway, so we get a feed that we would not get if the match were not on TV. I hope that helps you out.[/p][/quote]Thanks Vagas, seems ridiculous to me, what a loss of income.[/p][/quote]Not TV but in-case you have not seen it tomorrows game live Radio 5 live russellsnr2
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5:16pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

Ringmer Rich wrote:
Jeesh! speculate, speculate, speculate... Booooorrrriiiinnnnng

ggg!
Whatever......
[quote][p][bold]Ringmer Rich[/bold] wrote: Jeesh! speculate, speculate, speculate... Booooorrrriiiinnnnng ggg![/p][/quote]Whatever...... Alfie T
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5:17pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Hovite says...

I don't think you can put a promotion push on 19yr old Connor Wickham.

Can understand the play on the Norwich connection as a theory though JM.

The person that we will get is the one that will be the biggest surprise, if we get one.
I don't think you can put a promotion push on 19yr old Connor Wickham. Can understand the play on the Norwich connection as a theory though JM. The person that we will get is the one that will be the biggest surprise, if we get one. Hovite
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5:29pm Mon 17 Dec 12

weststandupperlacostearmy says...

Kenwyne Jones will be striker in with CMS off to Norwich and Bridcutt off to Villa. Bennett not coming back but another midfielder will be signed in January probably Boyd from Peterborough"
Kenwyne Jones will be striker in with CMS off to Norwich and Bridcutt off to Villa. Bennett not coming back but another midfielder will be signed in January probably Boyd from Peterborough" weststandupperlacostearmy
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5:37pm Mon 17 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Interesting theory in some posts, what I wonder is if Gus wants to play with only one out and out forward? If that's the case, one coming in will mean one going out! That could be Hoskins, or it could be cms,

What could be of interest is if we. We're to make a bid for Boyd .. Will we sell Buckley?
Interesting theory in some posts, what I wonder is if Gus wants to play with only one out and out forward? If that's the case, one coming in will mean one going out! That could be Hoskins, or it could be cms, What could be of interest is if we. We're to make a bid for Boyd .. Will we sell Buckley? mark by the sea
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5:46pm Mon 17 Dec 12

tinker111 says...

Seaguller wrote:
Charlie Austin will do...
Rubbish we should have been in for Jorden Roades( sorry about the spelling) but a big chance if we were really going for it,no chance 8K to much.
[quote][p][bold]Seaguller[/bold] wrote: Charlie Austin will do...[/p][/quote]Rubbish we should have been in for Jorden Roades( sorry about the spelling) but a big chance if we were really going for it,no chance 8K to much. tinker111
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5:49pm Mon 17 Dec 12

wiseman of hove says...

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
Thanks MarkyMark03 for joining my campaign to get Connor Wickham here. I had the impression I was on a one-man mission.

I am slightly perturbed by the persistent talk of deals with Norwich and have begun to wonder whether Grant Holt is now in the frame... He was unhappy at Carrow Rd in the summer and then signed another 3 yr deal... His goal scoring has dried up this season (4 from 17, half his ration last season) and I would guess he is still not such a happy bunny. It's true he has certain of the required attributes but needs to play off other players - much as it is perceived CMS would do... So there's another answer looking for a suitable question...!

PS: I'm not advocating Holt as a possible striker, just looking at the Norwich connection... Any thoughts...?
Interesting post Jonathan. I did suggest Wickham a few months ago so you have further support. That was at the time he had not appeared in the first team for a while - I think, however the chance may have gone .
I have a different view on the Holt suggestion. I think CMS is the perfect ally for Holt. The big striker that CMS has lacked here. I can see CMS running on to the Holt headers and scoring freely.I have no doubt that CMS is on his way and knowing that you, like myself, is a longstanding advocate of Hoskins, I am expecting Hoskins to step up to the plate in a big way. Let's hope we are vindicated on that opinion!
[quote][p][bold]Jonathan Mouette[/bold] wrote: Thanks MarkyMark03 for joining my campaign to get Connor Wickham here. I had the impression I was on a one-man mission. I am slightly perturbed by the persistent talk of deals with Norwich and have begun to wonder whether Grant Holt is now in the frame... He was unhappy at Carrow Rd in the summer and then signed another 3 yr deal... His goal scoring has dried up this season (4 from 17, half his ration last season) and I would guess he is still not such a happy bunny. It's true he has certain of the required attributes but needs to play off other players - much as it is perceived CMS would do... So there's another answer looking for a suitable question...! PS: I'm not advocating Holt as a possible striker, just looking at the Norwich connection... Any thoughts...?[/p][/quote]Interesting post Jonathan. I did suggest Wickham a few months ago so you have further support. That was at the time he had not appeared in the first team for a while - I think, however the chance may have gone . I have a different view on the Holt suggestion. I think CMS is the perfect ally for Holt. The big striker that CMS has lacked here. I can see CMS running on to the Holt headers and scoring freely.I have no doubt that CMS is on his way and knowing that you, like myself, is a longstanding advocate of Hoskins, I am expecting Hoskins to step up to the plate in a big way. Let's hope we are vindicated on that opinion! wiseman of hove
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5:50pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

One up front or two, we need two new strikers to work with those we have even if CMS stays.
One hold up striker, one to challenge CMS as a starter. If any one of the three were to be injured we would still have two.
So far I have not seen anyone in the current squad to seriously challenge CMS for his spot.

CMS, Hoskins, Barnes and Dobbie, none of them are scoring, hence our problem.
One up front or two, we need two new strikers to work with those we have even if CMS stays. One hold up striker, one to challenge CMS as a starter. If any one of the three were to be injured we would still have two. So far I have not seen anyone in the current squad to seriously challenge CMS for his spot. CMS, Hoskins, Barnes and Dobbie, none of them are scoring, hence our problem. VegasSeagull
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6:02pm Mon 17 Dec 12

saraman says...

None of the top 15-20 players we currently have are good enough and we should not selll any of them, especially CMS. All we are lacking is that key forward to provide the goals for both himself and the other forwards. We are less than 1% from being a formidable Championship/Premier side.
None of the top 15-20 players we currently have are good enough and we should not selll any of them, especially CMS. All we are lacking is that key forward to provide the goals for both himself and the other forwards. We are less than 1% from being a formidable Championship/Premier side. saraman
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6:08pm Mon 17 Dec 12

ballantrrae says...

Now once again Poyet confirms he wants a striker. Personally I hopes he signs two since one never knows how a new player will fit in.
I think it would be worth acquiring someone from Europe where I gather BHA feel better value can be found and as back up perhaps a striker from the lower leagues or out of the picture at a Premiership club.
I hope Poyet in searching for a striker with Bloom doesn't lose sight of the need for another defender. There is a distinct possibility that with Bruno out that Calde might be unavailable as well for the Millwall game. If that happens who will play RB - Painter ? I am not even sure if Painter is fit again yet.
Finally with reference to the Norwich connection and the suggestion that Bennett might be offered as part of any deal involving CMS, I would welcome his return. I think we have really missed his 'delivery skills' since his departure.
Now once again Poyet confirms he wants a striker. Personally I hopes he signs two since one never knows how a new player will fit in. I think it would be worth acquiring someone from Europe where I gather BHA feel better value can be found and as back up perhaps a striker from the lower leagues or out of the picture at a Premiership club. I hope Poyet in searching for a striker with Bloom doesn't lose sight of the need for another defender. There is a distinct possibility that with Bruno out that Calde might be unavailable as well for the Millwall game. If that happens who will play RB - Painter ? I am not even sure if Painter is fit again yet. Finally with reference to the Norwich connection and the suggestion that Bennett might be offered as part of any deal involving CMS, I would welcome his return. I think we have really missed his 'delivery skills' since his departure. ballantrrae
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6:12pm Mon 17 Dec 12

saraman says...

Made a mess of that. Should read, ''all of the top 15-20'' Sorry. Too many Old Speckled Hen.
Made a mess of that. Should read, ''all of the top 15-20'' Sorry. Too many Old Speckled Hen. saraman
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6:24pm Mon 17 Dec 12

tinker111 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I am in large in agreement with Hovite regarding CMS, he is not one to let go, not right now anyway.
If we can get a couple of new strikers, and yes one as a hold up guy, then we might see the best of CMS, I am sure that we haven't as of yet, and I would say the same of Dobbie.

If CMS were to go and a new guy replaced him what happens if the new guy gets injured, we are back where we started but no CMS. I don't think that we need to replce CMS, I think we need to add to him. Could Barnes go, yes but he would need replacing.

Hoskins is showing some good signs but has yet to find the net. Buckley has dried up on the goal front.

Additional strikers are needed, not replacements, that's my view of it.

,
Tinker here ,hi can you bring sence to the posting's at 79 yo my head has blown with who and why ??? still think jorden roades whould have been the one.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I am in large in agreement with Hovite regarding CMS, he is not one to let go, not right now anyway. If we can get a couple of new strikers, and yes one as a hold up guy, then we might see the best of CMS, I am sure that we haven't as of yet, and I would say the same of Dobbie. If CMS were to go and a new guy replaced him what happens if the new guy gets injured, we are back where we started but no CMS. I don't think that we need to replce CMS, I think we need to add to him. Could Barnes go, yes but he would need replacing. Hoskins is showing some good signs but has yet to find the net. Buckley has dried up on the goal front. Additional strikers are needed, not replacements, that's my view of it. ,[/p][/quote]Tinker here ,hi can you bring sence to the posting's at 79 yo my head has blown with who and why ??? still think jorden roades whould have been the one. tinker111
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6:29pm Mon 17 Dec 12

JUPILER says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
One up front or two, we need two new strikers to work with those we have even if CMS stays.
One hold up striker, one to challenge CMS as a starter. If any one of the three were to be injured we would still have two.
So far I have not seen anyone in the current squad to seriously challenge CMS for his spot.

CMS, Hoskins, Barnes and Dobbie, none of them are scoring, hence our problem.
We have scored this season 29 goals are in 8th position not many that I grant you but you name the players whome scored 21 of them are you trying for wum of the year.We do need a finisher,hope we can keep cms;Off point you must be a real fan as the times you start your posts its 3 am in nevada.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: One up front or two, we need two new strikers to work with those we have even if CMS stays. One hold up striker, one to challenge CMS as a starter. If any one of the three were to be injured we would still have two. So far I have not seen anyone in the current squad to seriously challenge CMS for his spot. CMS, Hoskins, Barnes and Dobbie, none of them are scoring, hence our problem.[/p][/quote]We have scored this season 29 goals are in 8th position not many that I grant you but you name the players whome scored 21 of them are you trying for wum of the year.We do need a finisher,hope we can keep cms;Off point you must be a real fan as the times you start your posts its 3 am in nevada. JUPILER
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6:52pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Yes I do get up early each day, and always check on here once my coffee is brewed.

Not sure what you mean about me as WUM, perhaps you could explain.
Yes I do get up early each day, and always check on here once my coffee is brewed. Not sure what you mean about me as WUM, perhaps you could explain. VegasSeagull
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7:01pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Far gull says...

Sorry ,just got in ,to join discussion, suggest viewing gus previous acquisitions this summer 4 with champions league experience,4 without. Those without have not set us on fire. Think Hammond/crofts seen as cover/ back up to Liam should he go or get injured. Orlandi/ Vicente / lopez cover for each other . (jury very much out on dobbie as to his role) The point I am trying to make is if we are to be brave I think recent(and rightly so)history shows it will be a loan type signing of a big name with champions league / la liga/serie a. Level. For example a ballotelli type , may even be him . I am not saying I want him but I think it will be someone more than say grant holt / kenwyne jones ?
Sorry ,just got in ,to join discussion, suggest viewing gus previous acquisitions this summer 4 with champions league experience,4 without. Those without have not set us on fire. Think Hammond/crofts seen as cover/ back up to Liam should he go or get injured. Orlandi/ Vicente / lopez cover for each other . (jury very much out on dobbie as to his role) The point I am trying to make is if we are to be brave I think recent(and rightly so)history shows it will be a loan type signing of a big name with champions league / la liga/serie a. Level. For example a ballotelli type , may even be him . I am not saying I want him but I think it will be someone more than say grant holt / kenwyne jones ? Far gull
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7:02pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

I got your point now

Ok so CMS has scored 10, Buckley 5, Barnes 4 and Dobbie 2.

We are half way thru the season, 10 goals for our top striker and some of them from penalties, but that's fine. CMS should have half as many again considering the amount of chances he has had.

The other three have a total of 11 between them, again some from penalties, nowhere near good enough considering the amount of chances they have collectively had.

None of the three can challenge CMS for his place, the numbers tell you that.

I am not winding anyone up, I am simply stating that we need two strikers and not one.
I got your point now Ok so CMS has scored 10, Buckley 5, Barnes 4 and Dobbie 2. We are half way thru the season, 10 goals for our top striker and some of them from penalties, but that's fine. CMS should have half as many again considering the amount of chances he has had. The other three have a total of 11 between them, again some from penalties, nowhere near good enough considering the amount of chances they have collectively had. None of the three can challenge CMS for his place, the numbers tell you that. I am not winding anyone up, I am simply stating that we need two strikers and not one. VegasSeagull
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7:12pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Far gull wrote:
Sorry ,just got in ,to join discussion, suggest viewing gus previous acquisitions this summer 4 with champions league experience,4 without. Those without have not set us on fire. Think Hammond/crofts seen as cover/ back up to Liam should he go or get injured. Orlandi/ Vicente / lopez cover for each other . (jury very much out on dobbie as to his role) The point I am trying to make is if we are to be brave I think recent(and rightly so)history shows it will be a loan type signing of a big name with champions league / la liga/serie a. Level. For example a ballotelli type , may even be him . I am not saying I want him but I think it will be someone more than say grant holt / kenwyne jones ?
Yep I agree a loan player or two. When Gus talks about, 'big money,' I think it means big wages, maybe more that we currently pay for Bridge.

Can you imagine the problem we would have if we spent 5 million, or more, to get promoted and it didn't happen. We would be stuck with one or more high pay cheques to write and still be in the championship division.

Agents will ask for higher wages in january than they might during the summer, they know what their product can mean to the buyer.
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Sorry ,just got in ,to join discussion, suggest viewing gus previous acquisitions this summer 4 with champions league experience,4 without. Those without have not set us on fire. Think Hammond/crofts seen as cover/ back up to Liam should he go or get injured. Orlandi/ Vicente / lopez cover for each other . (jury very much out on dobbie as to his role) The point I am trying to make is if we are to be brave I think recent(and rightly so)history shows it will be a loan type signing of a big name with champions league / la liga/serie a. Level. For example a ballotelli type , may even be him . I am not saying I want him but I think it will be someone more than say grant holt / kenwyne jones ?[/p][/quote]Yep I agree a loan player or two. When Gus talks about, 'big money,' I think it means big wages, maybe more that we currently pay for Bridge. Can you imagine the problem we would have if we spent 5 million, or more, to get promoted and it didn't happen. We would be stuck with one or more high pay cheques to write and still be in the championship division. Agents will ask for higher wages in january than they might during the summer, they know what their product can mean to the buyer. VegasSeagull
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7:15pm Mon 17 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
I got your point now

Ok so CMS has scored 10, Buckley 5, Barnes 4 and Dobbie 2.

We are half way thru the season, 10 goals for our top striker and some of them from penalties, but that's fine. CMS should have half as many again considering the amount of chances he has had.

The other three have a total of 11 between them, again some from penalties, nowhere near good enough considering the amount of chances they have collectively had.

None of the three can challenge CMS for his place, the numbers tell you that.

I am not winding anyone up, I am simply stating that we need two strikers and not one.
Will Gus go with two outright strikers? It seems the world is now one, and one coming from either the inside L or R or in the hole,
Vicente fit and a striker, plus a experienced centre back. Would be my New Years wish list.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I got your point now Ok so CMS has scored 10, Buckley 5, Barnes 4 and Dobbie 2. We are half way thru the season, 10 goals for our top striker and some of them from penalties, but that's fine. CMS should have half as many again considering the amount of chances he has had. The other three have a total of 11 between them, again some from penalties, nowhere near good enough considering the amount of chances they have collectively had. None of the three can challenge CMS for his place, the numbers tell you that. I am not winding anyone up, I am simply stating that we need two strikers and not one.[/p][/quote]Will Gus go with two outright strikers? It seems the world is now one, and one coming from either the inside L or R or in the hole, Vicente fit and a striker, plus a experienced centre back. Would be my New Years wish list. mark by the sea
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7:30pm Mon 17 Dec 12

LACHANCE says...

mark by the sea wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
I got your point now

Ok so CMS has scored 10, Buckley 5, Barnes 4 and Dobbie 2.

We are half way thru the season, 10 goals for our top striker and some of them from penalties, but that's fine. CMS should have half as many again considering the amount of chances he has had.

The other three have a total of 11 between them, again some from penalties, nowhere near good enough considering the amount of chances they have collectively had.

None of the three can challenge CMS for his place, the numbers tell you that.

I am not winding anyone up, I am simply stating that we need two strikers and not one.
Will Gus go with two outright strikers? It seems the world is now one, and one coming from either the inside L or R or in the hole,
Vicente fit and a striker, plus a experienced centre back. Would be my New Years wish list.
A solid Centre Back that can win balls in the air from corners + a old fashioned centre forward and l would say we would clinch promotion.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: I got your point now Ok so CMS has scored 10, Buckley 5, Barnes 4 and Dobbie 2. We are half way thru the season, 10 goals for our top striker and some of them from penalties, but that's fine. CMS should have half as many again considering the amount of chances he has had. The other three have a total of 11 between them, again some from penalties, nowhere near good enough considering the amount of chances they have collectively had. None of the three can challenge CMS for his place, the numbers tell you that. I am not winding anyone up, I am simply stating that we need two strikers and not one.[/p][/quote]Will Gus go with two outright strikers? It seems the world is now one, and one coming from either the inside L or R or in the hole, Vicente fit and a striker, plus a experienced centre back. Would be my New Years wish list.[/p][/quote]A solid Centre Back that can win balls in the air from corners + a old fashioned centre forward and l would say we would clinch promotion. LACHANCE
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8:00pm Mon 17 Dec 12

sussexram40 says...

A two pronged double strike force is what we need. Paying with 2 up front. I think CMS with the new man playing up there with him. 4/4/2.
A two pronged double strike force is what we need. Paying with 2 up front. I think CMS with the new man playing up there with him. 4/4/2. sussexram40
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8:19pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Hovite says...

Formation is fluid depending on where you are in the game, there is no ridged rules to this in modern day football.

During the match you will play several formations and it doesn’t mean you finish the way you start.

4-3-3, or 4-3-2-1, or 4-5-1, or 4-4-1-1, or 4-4-2, take your pick, they always add up to 10.
Formation is fluid depending on where you are in the game, there is no ridged rules to this in modern day football. During the match you will play several formations and it doesn’t mean you finish the way you start. 4-3-3, or 4-3-2-1, or 4-5-1, or 4-4-1-1, or 4-4-2, take your pick, they always add up to 10. Hovite
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8:47pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Howie2 says...

It is absolutely essential that we keep Bridcutt. If we loose him and/or Buckley we can all forget about playoffs irrespective of who Gus might sign.
It is absolutely essential that we keep Bridcutt. If we loose him and/or Buckley we can all forget about playoffs irrespective of who Gus might sign. Howie2
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8:50pm Mon 17 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Hovite wrote:
Formation is fluid depending on where you are in the game, there is no ridged rules to this in modern day football.

During the match you will play several formations and it doesn’t mean you finish the way you start.

4-3-3, or 4-3-2-1, or 4-5-1, or 4-4-1-1, or 4-4-2, take your pick, they always add up to 10.
Yes but not with the big number 9' most sides seem to be away from that, I see no sign of Jason Roberts. Tonight? Is he injured?
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Formation is fluid depending on where you are in the game, there is no ridged rules to this in modern day football. During the match you will play several formations and it doesn’t mean you finish the way you start. 4-3-3, or 4-3-2-1, or 4-5-1, or 4-4-1-1, or 4-4-2, take your pick, they always add up to 10.[/p][/quote]Yes but not with the big number 9' most sides seem to be away from that, I see no sign of Jason Roberts. Tonight? Is he injured? mark by the sea
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9:10pm Mon 17 Dec 12

WiseOldSeagull says...

It would be wrong to get rid of CMS. He is the only one that currently can make a difference in front of goal. I'd much rather see Adgestein and Barnes shipped out to make room for another striker. We can't keep bringing in more strikers without releasing someone. Barnes has reached his level and will not make it in the premier league and neither will Toby unfortunately. Hoskins has potential and needs games to get his sharpness. What is encouraging is that he is getting himself into good positions. Dobbie has yet to settle but is on a 3 year deal so it doesn't make sense to send him on his way.

Slightly off subject I was intrigued by TK's response after the last kick of the game. He threw his arms up into the air as if to express his disappointment with Albions lack of ability to score goals.

This is a no-brainer now. We must spend big to get in the striker we need.
It would be wrong to get rid of CMS. He is the only one that currently can make a difference in front of goal. I'd much rather see Adgestein and Barnes shipped out to make room for another striker. We can't keep bringing in more strikers without releasing someone. Barnes has reached his level and will not make it in the premier league and neither will Toby unfortunately. Hoskins has potential and needs games to get his sharpness. What is encouraging is that he is getting himself into good positions. Dobbie has yet to settle but is on a 3 year deal so it doesn't make sense to send him on his way. Slightly off subject I was intrigued by TK's response after the last kick of the game. He threw his arms up into the air as if to express his disappointment with Albions lack of ability to score goals. This is a no-brainer now. We must spend big to get in the striker we need. WiseOldSeagull
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9:12pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Hovite says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Formation is fluid depending on where you are in the game, there is no ridged rules to this in modern day football.

During the match you will play several formations and it doesn’t mean you finish the way you start.

4-3-3, or 4-3-2-1, or 4-5-1, or 4-4-1-1, or 4-4-2, take your pick, they always add up to 10.
Yes but not with the big number 9' most sides seem to be away from that, I see no sign of Jason Roberts. Tonight? Is he injured?
Not sure what you mean mbts, Everton play 4-5-1 with Fellani switching from midfield to CF. As I said there are no ridged rules.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Formation is fluid depending on where you are in the game, there is no ridged rules to this in modern day football. During the match you will play several formations and it doesn’t mean you finish the way you start. 4-3-3, or 4-3-2-1, or 4-5-1, or 4-4-1-1, or 4-4-2, take your pick, they always add up to 10.[/p][/quote]Yes but not with the big number 9' most sides seem to be away from that, I see no sign of Jason Roberts. Tonight? Is he injured?[/p][/quote]Not sure what you mean mbts, Everton play 4-5-1 with Fellani switching from midfield to CF. As I said there are no ridged rules. Hovite
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9:20pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Two 20k a week strikers on six month loan deals, keep cms.
Buy one decent center back.

If half decent offers come in for Barnes or Hoskins accept one of them.
If a top offer comes in for Bridcutt take it, I think we can handle that.
If a top offer comes in for Buckley do our best to say no.

All my own stupid ideas.
Two 20k a week strikers on six month loan deals, keep cms. Buy one decent center back. If half decent offers come in for Barnes or Hoskins accept one of them. If a top offer comes in for Bridcutt take it, I think we can handle that. If a top offer comes in for Buckley do our best to say no. All my own stupid ideas. VegasSeagull
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9:28pm Mon 17 Dec 12

tug509 says...

IMHO we need to keep Liam the man is dynamite in the midfield.
What happens to CMS is up to CMS ,i hope he believes that we will bring in someone to complement him,and decide to stay,for the long haul.

As for all you " pretenders" i hope they drop off and roll down a drain.

UTA
IMHO we need to keep Liam the man is dynamite in the midfield. What happens to CMS is up to CMS ,i hope he believes that we will bring in someone to complement him,and decide to stay,for the long haul. As for all you " pretenders" i hope they drop off and roll down a drain. UTA tug509
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9:44pm Mon 17 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Hovite wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Hovite wrote:
Formation is fluid depending on where you are in the game, there is no ridged rules to this in modern day football.

During the match you will play several formations and it doesn’t mean you finish the way you start.

4-3-3, or 4-3-2-1, or 4-5-1, or 4-4-1-1, or 4-4-2, take your pick, they always add up to 10.
Yes but not with the big number 9' most sides seem to be away from that, I see no sign of Jason Roberts. Tonight? Is he injured?
Not sure what you mean mbts, Everton play 4-5-1 with Fellani switching from midfield to CF. As I said there are no ridged rules.
The. Andy Carroll type, standing on half way line waiting to head the ball.. Dinosaurs in the modern game,
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: Formation is fluid depending on where you are in the game, there is no ridged rules to this in modern day football. During the match you will play several formations and it doesn’t mean you finish the way you start. 4-3-3, or 4-3-2-1, or 4-5-1, or 4-4-1-1, or 4-4-2, take your pick, they always add up to 10.[/p][/quote]Yes but not with the big number 9' most sides seem to be away from that, I see no sign of Jason Roberts. Tonight? Is he injured?[/p][/quote]Not sure what you mean mbts, Everton play 4-5-1 with Fellani switching from midfield to CF. As I said there are no ridged rules.[/p][/quote]The. Andy Carroll type, standing on half way line waiting to head the ball.. Dinosaurs in the modern game, mark by the sea
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9:46pm Mon 17 Dec 12

mark by the sea says...

Fluidity in the players ability, not the system.
Fluidity in the players ability, not the system. mark by the sea
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9:47pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Never_Wrong says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Never_Wrong wrote: .....lets say Javier Guerra Rodríguez.
So you've given a name as an example of someone you've never heard of? Right...
I think the point is have any of US heard of him. I could name players from the MLS that you wouldn't have heard of unless you follow MLS.

The example he offers might be someone he knows of for some obscure reason.
.
Just a 30+ random Spanish forward picked from a random mid-table La Liga team.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Never_Wrong[/bold] wrote: .....lets say Javier Guerra Rodríguez.[/p][/quote]So you've given a name as an example of someone you've never heard of? Right...[/p][/quote]I think the point is have any of US heard of him. I could name players from the MLS that you wouldn't have heard of unless you follow MLS. The example he offers might be someone he knows of for some obscure reason. .[/p][/quote]Just a 30+ random Spanish forward picked from a random mid-table La Liga team. Never_Wrong
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9:49pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Alfie T says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Two 20k a week strikers on six month loan deals, keep cms.
Buy one decent center back.

If half decent offers come in for Barnes or Hoskins accept one of them.
If a top offer comes in for Bridcutt take it, I think we can handle that.
If a top offer comes in for Buckley do our best to say no.

All my own stupid ideas.
If any offer comes in for Barnes take it, Hoskins is a better prospect, other than missing guilt edged chances Saturday he looked ok,deserves more chances to prove himself. Bridcutt is my favourite player, fantastic form at the moment,Premier league quality without doubt. Not sure if he is out of contract or not though, if he is I will be gutted to loose him for nowt. CMS would also be a big loss, along side our departed brother would have been mouth watering.
January could be very emotional.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Two 20k a week strikers on six month loan deals, keep cms. Buy one decent center back. If half decent offers come in for Barnes or Hoskins accept one of them. If a top offer comes in for Bridcutt take it, I think we can handle that. If a top offer comes in for Buckley do our best to say no. All my own stupid ideas.[/p][/quote]If any offer comes in for Barnes take it, Hoskins is a better prospect, other than missing guilt edged chances Saturday he looked ok,deserves more chances to prove himself. Bridcutt is my favourite player, fantastic form at the moment,Premier league quality without doubt. Not sure if he is out of contract or not though, if he is I will be gutted to loose him for nowt. CMS would also be a big loss, along side our departed brother would have been mouth watering. January could be very emotional. Alfie T
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9:53pm Mon 17 Dec 12

kwaidam says...

We are about to bid £4m for charlie austin. not just a rumour. Whether he is worth it i don't know and what the repercussions are re the moves away for CMS and Bridcutt i don't know but that's the very latest word re Austin.
We are about to bid £4m for charlie austin. not just a rumour. Whether he is worth it i don't know and what the repercussions are re the moves away for CMS and Bridcutt i don't know but that's the very latest word re Austin. kwaidam
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9:55pm Mon 17 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

tug509 wrote:
IMHO we need to keep Liam the man is dynamite in the midfield. What happens to CMS is up to CMS ,i hope he believes that we will bring in someone to complement him,and decide to stay,for the long haul. As for all you " pretenders" i hope they drop off and roll down a drain. UTA
Hi Tug.
I agree with you with regards to how good Bridcutt is, and that is why a big offer will probably come for him. I happen to think that we can handle losing him, even though we may not want to.

We have David who I am sure is better than we are seeing right now, he needs more match time. Crofts is still improving, I think he is capable of better, again regular match time. Vicente will be back. Orlandi is coming on leaps and bounds. Hammond and Dicker are not exactly a waste of space either.

If we can get a couple of strikers who can finish some of the masses of chances we are creating, the pressure will be lifted from our midfield in terms of defense.

Bridcutt the play maker, Vicente or David the play makers.
Bridcutt the defender, Crofts or Hammond. We have the players to have options on the bench if the strikers are doing their part.

For me Orlandi would replace Bridcutt as a regular starter should he (Bridcutt) go.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: IMHO we need to keep Liam the man is dynamite in the midfield. What happens to CMS is up to CMS ,i hope he believes that we will bring in someone to complement him,and decide to stay,for the long haul. As for all you " pretenders" i hope they drop off and roll down a drain. UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. I agree with you with regards to how good Bridcutt is, and that is why a big offer will probably come for him. I happen to think that we can handle losing him, even though we may not want to. We have David who I am sure is better than we are seeing right now, he needs more match time. Crofts is still improving, I think he is capable of better, again regular match time. Vicente will be back. Orlandi is coming on leaps and bounds. Hammond and Dicker are not exactly a waste of space either. If we can get a couple of strikers who can finish some of the masses of chances we are creating, the pressure will be lifted from our midfield in terms of defense. Bridcutt the play maker, Vicente or David the play makers. Bridcutt the defender, Crofts or Hammond. We have the players to have options on the bench if the strikers are doing their part. For me Orlandi would replace Bridcutt as a regular starter should he (Bridcutt) go. VegasSeagull
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10:07pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Hovite says...

95 percent sure that only one player will be going in Jan and this is one that won't be missed.

100 percent sure that no swap deal will be done. Just because it complicates a deal. We can't afford to rely on added conditions so if we are serious there will be no strings attached.

I don't think we have let any member of the main squad leave in January. We had offers on Bennet and Noone but they stayed until the season was over.

I see no change this year unless a club offers over the odds and is a forward move for the player League wise and financially.
95 percent sure that only one player will be going in Jan and this is one that won't be missed. 100 percent sure that no swap deal will be done. Just because it complicates a deal. We can't afford to rely on added conditions so if we are serious there will be no strings attached. I don't think we have let any member of the main squad leave in January. We had offers on Bennet and Noone but they stayed until the season was over. I see no change this year unless a club offers over the odds and is a forward move for the player League wise and financially. Hovite
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10:07pm Mon 17 Dec 12

kwaidam says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
tug509 wrote: IMHO we need to keep Liam the man is dynamite in the midfield. What happens to CMS is up to CMS ,i hope he believes that we will bring in someone to complement him,and decide to stay,for the long haul. As for all you " pretenders" i hope they drop off and roll down a drain. UTA
Hi Tug. I agree with you with regards to how good Bridcutt is, and that is why a big offer will probably come for him. I happen to think that we can handle losing him, even though we may not want to. We have David who I am sure is better than we are seeing right now, he needs more match time. Crofts is still improving, I think he is capable of better, again regular match time. Vicente will be back. Orlandi is coming on leaps and bounds. Hammond and Dicker are not exactly a waste of space either. If we can get a couple of strikers who can finish some of the masses of chances we are creating, the pressure will be lifted from our midfield in terms of defense. Bridcutt the play maker, Vicente or David the play makers. Bridcutt the defender, Crofts or Hammond. We have the players to have options on the bench if the strikers are doing their part. For me Orlandi would replace Bridcutt as a regular starter should he (Bridcutt) go.
Vegas. If we are at all serious about our aspirations Bridcutt and Buckley will not be going anywhere. They are easily our two best players. Buckley the best finisher at the club, Bridcutt the glue which holds the team together. A move would be good for CMS as he is stuck in a rut with us but, alternatively a Charlie Austin alongside could bring out the best in him. Potentially we could afford to lose CMS in my view though. I feel the 4mill we are about to offer for Austin will have to be raised by the sale of Bridcutt or Buckley and, personally, am not keen on that even if it means we get Austin. Thoughts?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: IMHO we need to keep Liam the man is dynamite in the midfield. What happens to CMS is up to CMS ,i hope he believes that we will bring in someone to complement him,and decide to stay,for the long haul. As for all you " pretenders" i hope they drop off and roll down a drain. UTA[/p][/quote]Hi Tug. I agree with you with regards to how good Bridcutt is, and that is why a big offer will probably come for him. I happen to think that we can handle losing him, even though we may not want to. We have David who I am sure is better than we are seeing right now, he needs more match time. Crofts is still improving, I think he is capable of better, again regular match time. Vicente will be back. Orlandi is coming on leaps and bounds. Hammond and Dicker are not exactly a waste of space either. If we can get a couple of strikers who can finish some of the masses of chances we are creating, the pressure will be lifted from our midfield in terms of defense. Bridcutt the play maker, Vicente or David the play makers. Bridcutt the defender, Crofts or Hammond. We have the players to have options on the bench if the strikers are doing their part. For me Orlandi would replace Bridcutt as a regular starter should he (Bridcutt) go.[/p][/quote]Vegas. If we are at all serious about our aspirations Bridcutt and Buckley will not be going anywhere. They are easily our two best players. Buckley the best finisher at the club, Bridcutt the glue which holds the team together. A move would be good for CMS as he is stuck in a rut with us but, alternatively a Charlie Austin alongside could bring out the best in him. Potentially we could afford to lose CMS in my view though. I feel the 4mill we are about to offer for Austin will have to be raised by the sale of Bridcutt or Buckley and, personally, am not keen on that even if it means we get Austin. Thoughts? kwaidam
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10:28pm Mon 17 Dec 12

SMF20 says...

Kwaidam, I'd have to agree with a lot you are saying. I'd certainly not want to see either Bridcutt or Buckley move on. If we are to have genuine aspirations of reaching the promised land then these 2 are certainly keepers. Cms is a bit different though... Would he and Austin be a good partnership? Perhaps. My gut instinct though would be that Austin would come in to replace Cms and thus a second target/link striker would come in too. I believe the fee we would get for Cms would cover Austin just about and think the other target type guy would come in on loan. I also think that Gus would still like a driving central midfielder. The wings are covered by Buckley, Lua Lua and I think Orlandi and the holding role is obviously Bridcutts. I think we just need that Trotter type midfielder to give us some muscle to complete the midfield. Defence is relatively simple in that we probably just need the one centre half and as others have mentioned, one that is good in the air. All in all we are so nearly there. I've never heard GP be so fourth coming regarding a window and what he is going to do and so have every reason to think that within the next month or so all will be in order for a real good push in the second half of the season. Uta
Kwaidam, I'd have to agree with a lot you are saying. I'd certainly not want to see either Bridcutt or Buckley move on. If we are to have genuine aspirations of reaching the promised land then these 2 are certainly keepers. Cms is a bit different though... Would he and Austin be a good partnership? Perhaps. My gut instinct though would be that Austin would come in to replace Cms and thus a second target/link striker would come in too. I believe the fee we would get for Cms would cover Austin just about and think the other target type guy would come in on loan. I also think that Gus would still like a driving central midfielder. The wings are covered by Buckley, Lua Lua and I think Orlandi and the holding role is obviously Bridcutts. I think we just need that Trotter type midfielder to give us some muscle to complete the midfield. Defence is relatively simple in that we probably just need the one centre half and as others have mentioned, one that is good in the air. All in all we are so nearly there. I've never heard GP be so fourth coming regarding a window and what he is going to do and so have every reason to think that within the next month or so all will be in order for a real good push in the second half of the season. Uta SMF20
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10:32pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Two 20k a week strikers on six month loan deals, keep cms.
Buy one decent center back.

If half decent offers come in for Barnes or Hoskins accept one of them.
If a top offer comes in for Bridcutt take it, I think we can handle that.
If a top offer comes in for Buckley do our best to say no.

All my own stupid ideas.
I've read all your posts and I'm still not sure why you think we need an additional two strikers? We have four already.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Two 20k a week strikers on six month loan deals, keep cms. Buy one decent center back. If half decent offers come in for Barnes or Hoskins accept one of them. If a top offer comes in for Bridcutt take it, I think we can handle that. If a top offer comes in for Buckley do our best to say no. All my own stupid ideas.[/p][/quote]I've read all your posts and I'm still not sure why you think we need an additional two strikers? We have four already. Old Scrote of the Amex
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10:57pm Mon 17 Dec 12

kwaidam says...

SMF20 wrote:
Kwaidam, I'd have to agree with a lot you are saying. I'd certainly not want to see either Bridcutt or Buckley move on. If we are to have genuine aspirations of reaching the promised land then these 2 are certainly keepers. Cms is a bit different though... Would he and Austin be a good partnership? Perhaps. My gut instinct though would be that Austin would come in to replace Cms and thus a second target/link striker would come in too. I believe the fee we would get for Cms would cover Austin just about and think the other target type guy would come in on loan. I also think that Gus would still like a driving central midfielder. The wings are covered by Buckley, Lua Lua and I think Orlandi and the holding role is obviously Bridcutts. I think we just need that Trotter type midfielder to give us some muscle to complete the midfield. Defence is relatively simple in that we probably just need the one centre half and as others have mentioned, one that is good in the air. All in all we are so nearly there. I've never heard GP be so fourth coming regarding a window and what he is going to do and so have every reason to think that within the next month or so all will be in order for a real good push in the second half of the season. Uta
SMF20. Thanks for that. I agree totally with you. I just wonder if an Austin-Barnes partnership maybe what GP is looking at. After all, Barnes did well for us alongside Murray in League 1, admittedly against poorer defences. However, like us all, I do believe GP has become very frustrated by CMS, as shown by the fact he has sometimes started on the bench. Agree with you about a Trotter type player in midfield. Bucks, Kaz, Bridcutt and, yes Orlandi with Hammond and Crofts, midfield and wings both covered.. who knows e may get the Dagger back too one day! Be interesting to see if Dobbie would work better with Austin than CMS too. Summing up I reckon CMS can go but Bridcutt and Bucks not... wonder if that's GP's thinking too..
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Kwaidam, I'd have to agree with a lot you are saying. I'd certainly not want to see either Bridcutt or Buckley move on. If we are to have genuine aspirations of reaching the promised land then these 2 are certainly keepers. Cms is a bit different though... Would he and Austin be a good partnership? Perhaps. My gut instinct though would be that Austin would come in to replace Cms and thus a second target/link striker would come in too. I believe the fee we would get for Cms would cover Austin just about and think the other target type guy would come in on loan. I also think that Gus would still like a driving central midfielder. The wings are covered by Buckley, Lua Lua and I think Orlandi and the holding role is obviously Bridcutts. I think we just need that Trotter type midfielder to give us some muscle to complete the midfield. Defence is relatively simple in that we probably just need the one centre half and as others have mentioned, one that is good in the air. All in all we are so nearly there. I've never heard GP be so fourth coming regarding a window and what he is going to do and so have every reason to think that within the next month or so all will be in order for a real good push in the second half of the season. Uta[/p][/quote]SMF20. Thanks for that. I agree totally with you. I just wonder if an Austin-Barnes partnership maybe what GP is looking at. After all, Barnes did well for us alongside Murray in League 1, admittedly against poorer defences. However, like us all, I do believe GP has become very frustrated by CMS, as shown by the fact he has sometimes started on the bench. Agree with you about a Trotter type player in midfield. Bucks, Kaz, Bridcutt and, yes Orlandi with Hammond and Crofts, midfield and wings both covered.. who knows e may get the Dagger back too one day! Be interesting to see if Dobbie would work better with Austin than CMS too. Summing up I reckon CMS can go but Bridcutt and Bucks not... wonder if that's GP's thinking too.. kwaidam
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11:59pm Mon 17 Dec 12

Baldseagull says...

Bridcutt would be the most difficult player to replace if we lose him in Jan.
The most complete player we have.
Bridcutt would be the most difficult player to replace if we lose him in Jan. The most complete player we have. Baldseagull
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12:08am Tue 18 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: Two 20k a week strikers on six month loan deals, keep cms. Buy one decent center back. If half decent offers come in for Barnes or Hoskins accept one of them. If a top offer comes in for Bridcutt take it, I think we can handle that. If a top offer comes in for Buckley do our best to say no. All my own stupid ideas.
I've read all your posts and I'm still not sure why you think we need an additional two strikers? We have four already.
In brief.

We get just the one new striker and he gets injured, what are we left with, the four we have now. Why is Gus ready to spend big to get a striker, the four we have now.

With two we we double our chances.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Two 20k a week strikers on six month loan deals, keep cms. Buy one decent center back. If half decent offers come in for Barnes or Hoskins accept one of them. If a top offer comes in for Bridcutt take it, I think we can handle that. If a top offer comes in for Buckley do our best to say no. All my own stupid ideas.[/p][/quote]I've read all your posts and I'm still not sure why you think we need an additional two strikers? We have four already.[/p][/quote]In brief. We get just the one new striker and he gets injured, what are we left with, the four we have now. Why is Gus ready to spend big to get a striker, the four we have now. With two we we double our chances. VegasSeagull
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12:09am Tue 18 Dec 12

saintkenny says...

hi read your comment on the echo mark .think gus should of grabbed billy sharp on loan .what you want to do his bid for jay rodriguez be cheeky he got 30 goals at champioship level .not sure he is ready for the premier yet .but he would fire you up into the top 3 .trouble with the champioship its a squad thing .you get so many 3 games in 7 days .unless your in europe you get 7 days preperation most weeks.its just the premiership is much harder .all of the teams have more quality .but you still have lots of time .anything can happen .id like to wish all brighton fans a merry christamas and good luck for the rest of the season
hi read your comment on the echo mark .think gus should of grabbed billy sharp on loan .what you want to do his bid for jay rodriguez be cheeky he got 30 goals at champioship level .not sure he is ready for the premier yet .but he would fire you up into the top 3 .trouble with the champioship its a squad thing .you get so many 3 games in 7 days .unless your in europe you get 7 days preperation most weeks.its just the premiership is much harder .all of the teams have more quality .but you still have lots of time .anything can happen .id like to wish all brighton fans a merry christamas and good luck for the rest of the season saintkenny
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1:26am Tue 18 Dec 12

paul the hill says...

Danny graham please from Swansea.

I see Lucio Brazilian defender has been released by juventus so he could do a job.
What about lampard, malouda, drogba anelka, Beckham heskey - they are all looking for clubs ?
Danny graham please from Swansea. I see Lucio Brazilian defender has been released by juventus so he could do a job. What about lampard, malouda, drogba anelka, Beckham heskey - they are all looking for clubs ? paul the hill
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2:04am Tue 18 Dec 12

localread says...

Agree with past comments about buying two strikers, we need cover in case one gets injured plus it helps with competition for starting places.

So far Gus has tried tweaking at the front to see if he can spot a formula that might work, it's no good Gus, we have too many players without the goalscorers instinct, only CMS comes close but not with enough consistency at Championship level, defenders mostly have him in their pockets.

A must-have with at least one of the new strikers is height, we are woefully poor at scoring from corners, free kicks and high crosses from either wing due to the lack of tall players in the box who can attack the ball in the air, also we have no plan B or C when tactics need changing because of this heigth issue too.

Buckley must stay and only let Bridcutt go if we can get Elliott Bennett back in. Vincente should be back from his sabbatical in Spain sometime in January which coupled with two good forwards should put us in a great position for a play-off slot at the very least.

Good luck Gus in your quest to complete what you have started, many inquisitive and judgemental eyes will be on your next transfer dealings and the impact they make on the team over the remainder of this season.
Agree with past comments about buying two strikers, we need cover in case one gets injured plus it helps with competition for starting places. So far Gus has tried tweaking at the front to see if he can spot a formula that might work, it's no good Gus, we have too many players without the goalscorers instinct, only CMS comes close but not with enough consistency at Championship level, defenders mostly have him in their pockets. A must-have with at least one of the new strikers is height, we are woefully poor at scoring from corners, free kicks and high crosses from either wing due to the lack of tall players in the box who can attack the ball in the air, also we have no plan B or C when tactics need changing because of this heigth issue too. Buckley must stay and only let Bridcutt go if we can get Elliott Bennett back in. Vincente should be back from his sabbatical in Spain sometime in January which coupled with two good forwards should put us in a great position for a play-off slot at the very least. Good luck Gus in your quest to complete what you have started, many inquisitive and judgemental eyes will be on your next transfer dealings and the impact they make on the team over the remainder of this season. localread
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10:08am Tue 18 Dec 12

CAKEBEARD says...

Tommy11 wrote:
Well.. this was obvious from the start of the season....but we failed to get anybody. I thought Dobbie was going to be great... I know he has not played much...but when he has, he looks disinterested. Has not worked out for the lad... get shot of him in Jan.

Plus.. take Lopez and Crofts with you! I can not believe Crofts won MOM against Forrest... he huffed and puffed but did nothing all game, like all season! Bad move re-signing him.. I never actually rated him when we last had him. Amzingly over rated....
Totally agree with this post, excellent to have somebody who knows a bit about football and can assess players. Keep posting Tommy because there are some clueless people out there!
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: Well.. this was obvious from the start of the season....but we failed to get anybody. I thought Dobbie was going to be great... I know he has not played much...but when he has, he looks disinterested. Has not worked out for the lad... get shot of him in Jan. Plus.. take Lopez and Crofts with you! I can not believe Crofts won MOM against Forrest... he huffed and puffed but did nothing all game, like all season! Bad move re-signing him.. I never actually rated him when we last had him. Amzingly over rated....[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this post, excellent to have somebody who knows a bit about football and can assess players. Keep posting Tommy because there are some clueless people out there! CAKEBEARD
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10:09am Tue 18 Dec 12

Hovite says...

saintkenny wrote:
hi read your comment on the echo mark .think gus should of grabbed billy sharp on loan .what you want to do his bid for jay rodriguez be cheeky he got 30 goals at champioship level .not sure he is ready for the premier yet .but he would fire you up into the top 3 .trouble with the champioship its a squad thing .you get so many 3 games in 7 days .unless your in europe you get 7 days preperation most weeks.its just the premiership is much harder .all of the teams have more quality .but you still have lots of time .anything can happen .id like to wish all brighton fans a merry christamas and good luck for the rest of the season
Happy Christamas saintkenny, good luck for the rest of the season. Looks like Newcastle are going to have problems staying up. All to play for!
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: hi read your comment on the echo mark .think gus should of grabbed billy sharp on loan .what you want to do his bid for jay rodriguez be cheeky he got 30 goals at champioship level .not sure he is ready for the premier yet .but he would fire you up into the top 3 .trouble with the champioship its a squad thing .you get so many 3 games in 7 days .unless your in europe you get 7 days preperation most weeks.its just the premiership is much harder .all of the teams have more quality .but you still have lots of time .anything can happen .id like to wish all brighton fans a merry christamas and good luck for the rest of the season[/p][/quote]Happy Christamas saintkenny, good luck for the rest of the season. Looks like Newcastle are going to have problems staying up. All to play for! Hovite
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11:50am Tue 18 Dec 12

tug509 says...

saintkenny wrote:
hi read your comment on the echo mark .think gus should of grabbed billy sharp on loan .what you want to do his bid for jay rodriguez be cheeky he got 30 goals at champioship level .not sure he is ready for the premier yet .but he would fire you up into the top 3 .trouble with the champioship its a squad thing .you get so many 3 games in 7 days .unless your in europe you get 7 days preperation most weeks.its just the premiership is much harder .all of the teams have more quality .but you still have lots of time .anything can happen .id like to wish all brighton fans a merry christamas and good luck for the rest of the season
Same to you Saintkenny,hope the Christmas period brings you a few pressies,likewise good luck for the rest of the season.
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: hi read your comment on the echo mark .think gus should of grabbed billy sharp on loan .what you want to do his bid for jay rodriguez be cheeky he got 30 goals at champioship level .not sure he is ready for the premier yet .but he would fire you up into the top 3 .trouble with the champioship its a squad thing .you get so many 3 games in 7 days .unless your in europe you get 7 days preperation most weeks.its just the premiership is much harder .all of the teams have more quality .but you still have lots of time .anything can happen .id like to wish all brighton fans a merry christamas and good luck for the rest of the season[/p][/quote]Same to you Saintkenny,hope the Christmas period brings you a few pressies,likewise good luck for the rest of the season. tug509
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11:55am Tue 18 Dec 12

mark5 says...

saintkenny wrote:
hi read your comment on the echo mark .think gus should of grabbed billy sharp on loan .what you want to do his bid for jay rodriguez be cheeky he got 30 goals at champioship level .not sure he is ready for the premier yet .but he would fire you up into the top 3 .trouble with the champioship its a squad thing .you get so many 3 games in 7 days .unless your in europe you get 7 days preperation most weeks.its just the premiership is much harder .all of the teams have more quality .but you still have lots of time .anything can happen .id like to wish all brighton fans a merry christamas and good luck for the rest of the season
Thanks, saintkenny, I thought you had gone on holiday, ha,ha! We shall have to wait and see what Gus does and the chances are that it will be unexpected! We are about 3 players short of a top 6 side, realistically so January spending is key. If we were then to get promoted through the play offs, we would need at least half a new team, probably more, to give us a fighting chance in the Premiership. I am just glad that I don't have to make those decisions and find the investment!! Good luck with the rest of your season, I reckon that you will still be there next year though!
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: hi read your comment on the echo mark .think gus should of grabbed billy sharp on loan .what you want to do his bid for jay rodriguez be cheeky he got 30 goals at champioship level .not sure he is ready for the premier yet .but he would fire you up into the top 3 .trouble with the champioship its a squad thing .you get so many 3 games in 7 days .unless your in europe you get 7 days preperation most weeks.its just the premiership is much harder .all of the teams have more quality .but you still have lots of time .anything can happen .id like to wish all brighton fans a merry christamas and good luck for the rest of the season[/p][/quote]Thanks, saintkenny, I thought you had gone on holiday, ha,ha! We shall have to wait and see what Gus does and the chances are that it will be unexpected! We are about 3 players short of a top 6 side, realistically so January spending is key. If we were then to get promoted through the play offs, we would need at least half a new team, probably more, to give us a fighting chance in the Premiership. I am just glad that I don't have to make those decisions and find the investment!! Good luck with the rest of your season, I reckon that you will still be there next year though! mark5
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