Poyet prepared for January overhaul

Gus Poyet will revamp his squad during the January transfer window after admitting Albion have fallen short during the first half of the season.


  The manager says performances have not translated into points so far and wants movement in and out in the New Year to change draws into victories.


  The Seagulls are now officially the draw specialists of the Championship following Tuesday night's 2-2 comeback against Millwall at The Amex.


  The halfway game of their campaign produced their tenth stalemate, one more than Nottingham Forest.


  They have better players, especially at the back, but are only marginally better off than at the same stage last season, both in terms of points and position.


  Poyet, delivering his mid-term report to The Argus, said: "We have done things to a level that have put us in a situation where we should be in a better situation in the league. It's not one game or two, we have already played more than 20.


  "It's no more a coincidence, that's where we are. We need to move the squad, we need to make a few changes.


  "Performance wise we have been much, much  better than last year, I have no doubt about that.
  "We have been better over 90 minutes than a big number of the teams we have played against. We've had two quite bad games (Blackpool and Millwall) and in those two games we got a point, which confirms football is not about what you deserve.


  "The idea in the second part of the season is to turn those performances into victories and at the moment, because we are at halfway, I don't think it's a matter of doing it with the players that we have got right now. We need to change."

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6:45pm Fri 21 Dec 12

The Phantom says...

Probably a fair assessment by Gus - they have been far more dominant in most games this season and probably should be about six points better off. Suspect that Dobbie may be one of the first to go in January - doesnt seem to have worked out for him or the club and rarely seems to get a chance now. Would imagine Harley will get picked up by somebody too and hopefully Sparrow will get a move to Scunthorpe. How about Gordon Greer moving on - 32 years old and contract due to run out at the end of the season.
Probably a fair assessment by Gus - they have been far more dominant in most games this season and probably should be about six points better off. Suspect that Dobbie may be one of the first to go in January - doesnt seem to have worked out for him or the club and rarely seems to get a chance now. Would imagine Harley will get picked up by somebody too and hopefully Sparrow will get a move to Scunthorpe. How about Gordon Greer moving on - 32 years old and contract due to run out at the end of the season. The Phantom

6:51pm Fri 21 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

I said on a different thread that I was confused, now, well now I just haven't got a clue.

This article, if true as it reads, means that we are about to sell what some think of as our, 'stars,' you know the ones that will only go if crazy money is offered.

The back five has nothing to do with this article, or those who cover at the back, with the possible exception of Painter. This article is all about the mid-field and up front.

You don't overhaul a squad by buying or borrowing a striker, a overhaul is something quite different.
Players such as Harley and the rest of his ilk, they can all go but I think there will be more, and some of us may not like it.

Money will be needed, and maybe lots of it. Revamp the strikers, a possible casualty as I see it could be Hoskins and Barnes another and yes, maybe even CMS, I owuld hate that. Can't see Dobbie going, he is an a three year deal.
Dicker and Crofts could join Harley on the way out, Bridcutt, I hope not but money talks.

Poyet says that we would go back to zero if we lost our key players, would we not also be at zero if we bought in a bunch of new ones. What if the new guys are prem players, those that are used to playing with a single striker system. Players that are used to stroking the ball around looking for an opening, that would not be back to zero. Big money would be needed for that and you don't get big money by selling fringe players.

All speculation on my part, I could be way off the mark with my interpretation of the term, 'overhaul.'




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I said on a different thread that I was confused, now, well now I just haven't got a clue. This article, if true as it reads, means that we are about to sell what some think of as our, 'stars,' you know the ones that will only go if crazy money is offered. The back five has nothing to do with this article, or those who cover at the back, with the possible exception of Painter. This article is all about the mid-field and up front. You don't overhaul a squad by buying or borrowing a striker, a overhaul is something quite different. Players such as Harley and the rest of his ilk, they can all go but I think there will be more, and some of us may not like it. Money will be needed, and maybe lots of it. Revamp the strikers, a possible casualty as I see it could be Hoskins and Barnes another and yes, maybe even CMS, I owuld hate that. Can't see Dobbie going, he is an a three year deal. Dicker and Crofts could join Harley on the way out, Bridcutt, I hope not but money talks. Poyet says that we would go back to zero if we lost our key players, would we not also be at zero if we bought in a bunch of new ones. What if the new guys are prem players, those that are used to playing with a single striker system. Players that are used to stroking the ball around looking for an opening, that would not be back to zero. Big money would be needed for that and you don't get big money by selling fringe players. All speculation on my part, I could be way off the mark with my interpretation of the term, 'overhaul.' , VegasSeagull

7:00pm Fri 21 Dec 12

namgo49 says...

Dobbie might go as Holloway is a big a fan of him and the Palace have deeper pockets than Blackpool, even deeper when they sell Zaha to Arsenal where he will do nothing but at least it will see Palace's season take a turn for the worse, other than when we play them and Dobbie and Murray get two a piece.

Harley will go out on loan I expect to someone like Bristol City or Swindon as will Sparrow go back to Scunthorpe. Greer will sign an new two year deal I reckon.

If we could make a profit on Mckail- Smith I would let him go, particularly if it was to Norwich and we got Elliot Bennett as part of the deal. Keep Hoskins and Buckley. Let Vicente go back to Spain on loan til his contract expires. Give Bridcutt a big pay rise to keep him here.

Sign another couple of Spaniards for upfront and at the back.
Dobbie might go as Holloway is a big a fan of him and the Palace have deeper pockets than Blackpool, even deeper when they sell Zaha to Arsenal where he will do nothing but at least it will see Palace's season take a turn for the worse, other than when we play them and Dobbie and Murray get two a piece. Harley will go out on loan I expect to someone like Bristol City or Swindon as will Sparrow go back to Scunthorpe. Greer will sign an new two year deal I reckon. If we could make a profit on Mckail- Smith I would let him go, particularly if it was to Norwich and we got Elliot Bennett as part of the deal. Keep Hoskins and Buckley. Let Vicente go back to Spain on loan til his contract expires. Give Bridcutt a big pay rise to keep him here. Sign another couple of Spaniards for upfront and at the back. namgo49

7:10pm Fri 21 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

namgo49 wrote:
Dobbie might go as Holloway is a big a fan of him and the Palace have deeper pockets than Blackpool, even deeper when they sell Zaha to Arsenal where he will do nothing but at least it will see Palace's season take a turn for the worse, other than when we play them and Dobbie and Murray get two a piece. Harley will go out on loan I expect to someone like Bristol City or Swindon as will Sparrow go back to Scunthorpe. Greer will sign an new two year deal I reckon. If we could make a profit on Mckail- Smith I would let him go, particularly if it was to Norwich and we got Elliot Bennett as part of the deal. Keep Hoskins and Buckley. Let Vicente go back to Spain on loan til his contract expires. Give Bridcutt a big pay rise to keep him here. Sign another couple of Spaniards for upfront and at the back.
But where is the overahul in your thoughts. One star and a couple of bit part players leaving does not a overhaul make.

The articles today all seem to be saying different things.
It's doing my head in.
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: Dobbie might go as Holloway is a big a fan of him and the Palace have deeper pockets than Blackpool, even deeper when they sell Zaha to Arsenal where he will do nothing but at least it will see Palace's season take a turn for the worse, other than when we play them and Dobbie and Murray get two a piece. Harley will go out on loan I expect to someone like Bristol City or Swindon as will Sparrow go back to Scunthorpe. Greer will sign an new two year deal I reckon. If we could make a profit on Mckail- Smith I would let him go, particularly if it was to Norwich and we got Elliot Bennett as part of the deal. Keep Hoskins and Buckley. Let Vicente go back to Spain on loan til his contract expires. Give Bridcutt a big pay rise to keep him here. Sign another couple of Spaniards for upfront and at the back.[/p][/quote]But where is the overahul in your thoughts. One star and a couple of bit part players leaving does not a overhaul make. The articles today all seem to be saying different things. It's doing my head in. VegasSeagull

7:17pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Never_Wrong says...

Cheerio Macca, enjoy those Canaries.
Cheerio Macca, enjoy those Canaries. Never_Wrong

7:19pm Fri 21 Dec 12

bruce beckett says...

Is this a kick up the backside for the players before a very important game at Blackburn tomorrow that will shape the second half of our season?

Rovers have failed to live up to expectations so far and their home form has been awful.

But with Danny Murphy expected back tomorrow, I just can't see us winning there, especially with no recognised right back. Hope the boys prove me wrong.
Is this a kick up the backside for the players before a very important game at Blackburn tomorrow that will shape the second half of our season? Rovers have failed to live up to expectations so far and their home form has been awful. But with Danny Murphy expected back tomorrow, I just can't see us winning there, especially with no recognised right back. Hope the boys prove me wrong. bruce beckett

7:34pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Neville says...

The mid term report is very accurate and the reason we have missed out on so many points is the ability of midfield to produce goals along with some woeful finishing from the strikers on a regular basis.It has been the same pattern over a couple of seasons now with none of the midfielders able to consistently score, I had hopes of Crofts and Hammond producing some goals but once indoctrinated into the Brighton way of playing the emphasis is on passing and this seems to dominate their thinking even when in good positions to shoot.
I am pretty sure Bennett will return,but to offload our key players mid term would be a big risk.
Anyway it seems certain now that Brighton have decided to make a push for the top six at least,we may not get a better opportunity in this unpredictable league.
Harley is likely to go but again like Dobbie he is on a longer contract than some others.
The mid term report is very accurate and the reason we have missed out on so many points is the ability of midfield to produce goals along with some woeful finishing from the strikers on a regular basis.It has been the same pattern over a couple of seasons now with none of the midfielders able to consistently score, I had hopes of Crofts and Hammond producing some goals but once indoctrinated into the Brighton way of playing the emphasis is on passing and this seems to dominate their thinking even when in good positions to shoot. I am pretty sure Bennett will return,but to offload our key players mid term would be a big risk. Anyway it seems certain now that Brighton have decided to make a push for the top six at least,we may not get a better opportunity in this unpredictable league. Harley is likely to go but again like Dobbie he is on a longer contract than some others. Neville

7:35pm Fri 21 Dec 12

fratsomrover says...

Fair assessment I would say Gus. Performances have been better but this has not been reflected in the results because of our inability to score goals. Hope we get that big centre forward and I think we probably need another dominant centre back as Greer is approaching 33, Dunk is looking decidedly dodgy and as committed El Abd is, he is a bit on the short side. Also could do with a rampaging goal scoring midfielder as it doesn't seem that Hammond or Croft fit that role. Vicente would be great, but I cant see us getting mileage out of him unfortunately. Dont know if its his body or his mind that's awry, but for sure something is. Finally, if Gus acknowledges we have to change these draws into wins, let us see him change his approach and select a team with an attacking emphasis and not one with three centre halves, a full back and three holding midfielders like on Tuesday.
Fair assessment I would say Gus. Performances have been better but this has not been reflected in the results because of our inability to score goals. Hope we get that big centre forward and I think we probably need another dominant centre back as Greer is approaching 33, Dunk is looking decidedly dodgy and as committed El Abd is, he is a bit on the short side. Also could do with a rampaging goal scoring midfielder as it doesn't seem that Hammond or Croft fit that role. Vicente would be great, but I cant see us getting mileage out of him unfortunately. Dont know if its his body or his mind that's awry, but for sure something is. Finally, if Gus acknowledges we have to change these draws into wins, let us see him change his approach and select a team with an attacking emphasis and not one with three centre halves, a full back and three holding midfielders like on Tuesday. fratsomrover

7:36pm Fri 21 Dec 12

fansince57 says...

I share Vegas Seagull's confusion. This morning it was all about keeping our best players, this evening it's 'need an overhaul', which I also interpret as something major.

Gus has done a fantastic job for us, so I fully support him, but I don't think he helps himself, us or the club with some of his comments, which seem to me to be 'semi-transparent'. Wants to keep our best players (that's good news) but then "unless someone offers silly money" (probably realistic - but not good news). And "overhaul" is capable of such widely differing interpretations that it's almost meaningless.

Of course he's not going to lay all his cards on the table, that would be stupid, but my view is that he might be better to say less. Yes, we clamour for information, but I for one would rather trust Gus & Tony to do the transfer & other business quietly, and just announce it when there's something definite.
I share Vegas Seagull's confusion. This morning it was all about keeping our best players, this evening it's 'need an overhaul', which I also interpret as something major. Gus has done a fantastic job for us, so I fully support him, but I don't think he helps himself, us or the club with some of his comments, which seem to me to be 'semi-transparent'. Wants to keep our best players (that's good news) but then "unless someone offers silly money" (probably realistic - but not good news). And "overhaul" is capable of such widely differing interpretations that it's almost meaningless. Of course he's not going to lay all his cards on the table, that would be stupid, but my view is that he might be better to say less. Yes, we clamour for information, but I for one would rather trust Gus & Tony to do the transfer & other business quietly, and just announce it when there's something definite. fansince57

7:39pm Fri 21 Dec 12

CanfieldRob says...

I certainly don't want CMS to go. There are quite a few others who could go as far as I am concerned, but we have to build the team round CMS not offload him.
I certainly don't want CMS to go. There are quite a few others who could go as far as I am concerned, but we have to build the team round CMS not offload him. CanfieldRob

8:16pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Hovite says...

If you listen to the full press conference on the seagulls iplayer it comes over very different from this written article.

The club has to be prepared for every scenario but our top players are not for sale unless we get crazy offers for them. He is not overhauling the main squad but prefers to work with 24 players rather than 34. Six of these players out, and two players in, would be considered an overhaul. Not the regular members of the first team.

I would recommend to everyone who would like a fair translation of any interviews, to sign up to the seagulls iplayer. It's only £6 a month and worth every penny to avoid confusion.
If you listen to the full press conference on the seagulls iplayer it comes over very different from this written article. The club has to be prepared for every scenario but our top players are not for sale unless we get crazy offers for them. He is not overhauling the main squad but prefers to work with 24 players rather than 34. Six of these players out, and two players in, would be considered an overhaul. Not the regular members of the first team. I would recommend to everyone who would like a fair translation of any interviews, to sign up to the seagulls iplayer. It's only £6 a month and worth every penny to avoid confusion. Hovite

8:19pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Grendel says...

Mackail-Smith was awful on Tuesday, but remember Burnley? I think it's too soon to offload him unless we get some one better. Dobbie has been a big disappointment so far, but I wonder if it is Gus's tactics that need an overhaul, not the squad.
Mackail-Smith was awful on Tuesday, but remember Burnley? I think it's too soon to offload him unless we get some one better. Dobbie has been a big disappointment so far, but I wonder if it is Gus's tactics that need an overhaul, not the squad. Grendel

8:26pm Fri 21 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Ok so is this article a tacit admission that some of the new guys have not lived up to expectations so they can go?
Is Gus also saying that some of the guys from last year can go too, I would imagine that he is.

When I last, 'overhauled,' my back yard I built a wooden deck, laid some paving and put up a gazebo. When I last 'revamped,' my front yard I planted a couple of new shrubs and added some extra rock to the areas that were thin.

Is Gus overhauling or revamping the squad/team.This article uses both words, did they come fromt he mouth of Gus or is Andy doing some of his own interpretation?
Ok so is this article a tacit admission that some of the new guys have not lived up to expectations so they can go? Is Gus also saying that some of the guys from last year can go too, I would imagine that he is. When I last, 'overhauled,' my back yard I built a wooden deck, laid some paving and put up a gazebo. When I last 'revamped,' my front yard I planted a couple of new shrubs and added some extra rock to the areas that were thin. Is Gus overhauling or revamping the squad/team.This article uses both words, did they come fromt he mouth of Gus or is Andy doing some of his own interpretation? VegasSeagull

8:30pm Fri 21 Dec 12

SMF20 says...

Gus as you would expect is absolutely spot on here. We may only have a very similar points tally to that which we had at the same point last season but I think we would all agree that we have got to this points tally in a very different way. Last season we were lucky to get a point here and there where this season we have been very unlucky to get just a point.. Games likes Leeds, Bolton, Wolves and Forest spring straight to mind. There's 8 points.
I for one am glad to hear news of a potential overhaul, there are players in the squad that are quite simply not up to the task of a top 6 finish, there are others that have of course excelled beyond expectation and then there are those that we still wait to judge as we haven't seen enough of them. I just hope that GP has the courage to admit where mistakes have been made and clears out those if it is right to do so even if they have only been here a few months.
In my mind the following are very much up to top 6 standards or bordering it. The others? Perhaps it's time to move on.
Kuz, Bruno, Bridge, Bridcutt, Lua Lua, Buckley, Orlandi, Vicente and Cms (if supported). The bordering players again only in my mind are Greer, El abd, Dunk, Hammond and Hoskins, possibly Dobbie but yet to see.
The others although good pros on the whole are not up to the next level GP wants.
As always this is only my opinion and everyone will have their own.
Uta
Gus as you would expect is absolutely spot on here. We may only have a very similar points tally to that which we had at the same point last season but I think we would all agree that we have got to this points tally in a very different way. Last season we were lucky to get a point here and there where this season we have been very unlucky to get just a point.. Games likes Leeds, Bolton, Wolves and Forest spring straight to mind. There's 8 points. I for one am glad to hear news of a potential overhaul, there are players in the squad that are quite simply not up to the task of a top 6 finish, there are others that have of course excelled beyond expectation and then there are those that we still wait to judge as we haven't seen enough of them. I just hope that GP has the courage to admit where mistakes have been made and clears out those if it is right to do so even if they have only been here a few months. In my mind the following are very much up to top 6 standards or bordering it. The others? Perhaps it's time to move on. Kuz, Bruno, Bridge, Bridcutt, Lua Lua, Buckley, Orlandi, Vicente and Cms (if supported). The bordering players again only in my mind are Greer, El abd, Dunk, Hammond and Hoskins, possibly Dobbie but yet to see. The others although good pros on the whole are not up to the next level GP wants. As always this is only my opinion and everyone will have their own. Uta SMF20

8:36pm Fri 21 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite wrote:
If you listen to the full press conference on the seagulls iplayer it comes over very different from this written article. The club has to be prepared for every scenario but our top players are not for sale unless we get crazy offers for them. He is not overhauling the main squad but prefers to work with 24 players rather than 34. Six of these players out, and two players in, would be considered an overhaul. Not the regular members of the first team. I would recommend to everyone who would like a fair translation of any interviews, to sign up to the seagulls iplayer. It's only £6 a month and worth every penny to avoid confusion.
Thanks Hovite, you have thinned some of the mist. Six out and two in would not constitute a, 'overhaul,' not to my way of thinking.
Those that go can't change anyhting on the park once gone so they are not overhauling our performance.
Two players in, if both strikers could, 'revamp,' our attack.

I still have some confusion but as I say, you have thinned the mist but some still lingers.


,
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: If you listen to the full press conference on the seagulls iplayer it comes over very different from this written article. The club has to be prepared for every scenario but our top players are not for sale unless we get crazy offers for them. He is not overhauling the main squad but prefers to work with 24 players rather than 34. Six of these players out, and two players in, would be considered an overhaul. Not the regular members of the first team. I would recommend to everyone who would like a fair translation of any interviews, to sign up to the seagulls iplayer. It's only £6 a month and worth every penny to avoid confusion.[/p][/quote]Thanks Hovite, you have thinned some of the mist. Six out and two in would not constitute a, 'overhaul,' not to my way of thinking. Those that go can't change anyhting on the park once gone so they are not overhauling our performance. Two players in, if both strikers could, 'revamp,' our attack. I still have some confusion but as I say, you have thinned the mist but some still lingers. , VegasSeagull

8:39pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Hovite says...

That's a fair assessment SMF20
That's a fair assessment SMF20 Hovite

8:43pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Hovite says...

Vegas, sign up to the seagulls iplayer it's well worth it. Open the window and the mist dissipate.

SMF20, that's a fair assessment.
Vegas, sign up to the seagulls iplayer it's well worth it. Open the window and the mist dissipate. SMF20, that's a fair assessment. Hovite

8:46pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Hovite says...

Thought me first post didn't process if you wondered why I repeated myself above.
Thought me first post didn't process if you wondered why I repeated myself above. Hovite

8:55pm Fri 21 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

So Hovite if we read all the recent articles and, as you advise, listen to seagulls iplayer, the end result is, some fringe players will go and one or two better players will come in.
Further more, we are not interested in selling our stars but if a offer comes in that is too hard to decline, we will take it. This selling proviso, along with not standing in players way of stepping up, has always been our stance, so no news there.

Correct?
So Hovite if we read all the recent articles and, as you advise, listen to seagulls iplayer, the end result is, some fringe players will go and one or two better players will come in. Further more, we are not interested in selling our stars but if a offer comes in that is too hard to decline, we will take it. This selling proviso, along with not standing in players way of stepping up, has always been our stance, so no news there. Correct? VegasSeagull

9:24pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Seagull John says...

fratsomrover wrote:
Fair assessment I would say Gus. Performances have been better but this has not been reflected in the results because of our inability to score goals. Hope we get that big centre forward and I think we probably need another dominant centre back as Greer is approaching 33, Dunk is looking decidedly dodgy and as committed El Abd is, he is a bit on the short side. Also could do with a rampaging goal scoring midfielder as it doesn't seem that Hammond or Croft fit that role. Vicente would be great, but I cant see us getting mileage out of him unfortunately. Dont know if its his body or his mind that's awry, but for sure something is. Finally, if Gus acknowledges we have to change these draws into wins, let us see him change his approach and select a team with an attacking emphasis and not one with three centre halves, a full back and three holding midfielders like on Tuesday.
Yes but El-Abd is also regarded as having the best spring - something he practises in training.
[quote][p][bold]fratsomrover[/bold] wrote: Fair assessment I would say Gus. Performances have been better but this has not been reflected in the results because of our inability to score goals. Hope we get that big centre forward and I think we probably need another dominant centre back as Greer is approaching 33, Dunk is looking decidedly dodgy and as committed El Abd is, he is a bit on the short side. Also could do with a rampaging goal scoring midfielder as it doesn't seem that Hammond or Croft fit that role. Vicente would be great, but I cant see us getting mileage out of him unfortunately. Dont know if its his body or his mind that's awry, but for sure something is. Finally, if Gus acknowledges we have to change these draws into wins, let us see him change his approach and select a team with an attacking emphasis and not one with three centre halves, a full back and three holding midfielders like on Tuesday.[/p][/quote]Yes but El-Abd is also regarded as having the best spring - something he practises in training. Seagull John

9:26pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Albion fan in London says...

I guess the message is we are holding onto the top players unless amazing offer come in. I reckon possibly around this sort of value might make it happen

Bridcutt £5.5mill +
Buckley £6 million +
CMS £4mill (take £2mill)

Other players who will go are

Harley
Painter
Sparrow
Dicker (unlikely but possible)
Hoskins (if a good offer comes in he will be off)
Barnes

Dobbie HAS to get a run of games just because he was signed on a 3 year deal and has not been given a proper run chance.

On a slightly different note I was so pleased to see Kaz playing with some freedom v Millwall, I forgot how good he is.

These are only my opinions so don't take them as red but thought I would write on here as I find some of the "fans" on NSC unbelievably out of order with some of the over the top abuse (dressed up as banter) people give out.
I guess the message is we are holding onto the top players unless amazing offer come in. I reckon possibly around this sort of value might make it happen Bridcutt £5.5mill + Buckley £6 million + CMS £4mill (take £2mill) Other players who will go are Harley Painter Sparrow Dicker (unlikely but possible) Hoskins (if a good offer comes in he will be off) Barnes Dobbie HAS to get a run of games just because he was signed on a 3 year deal and has not been given a proper run chance. On a slightly different note I was so pleased to see Kaz playing with some freedom v Millwall, I forgot how good he is. These are only my opinions so don't take them as red but thought I would write on here as I find some of the "fans" on NSC unbelievably out of order with some of the over the top abuse (dressed up as banter) people give out. Albion fan in London

9:31pm Fri 21 Dec 12

JUPILER says...

Hovite wrote:
If you listen to the full press conference on the seagulls iplayer it comes over very different from this written article.

The club has to be prepared for every scenario but our top players are not for sale unless we get crazy offers for them. He is not overhauling the main squad but prefers to work with 24 players rather than 34. Six of these players out, and two players in, would be considered an overhaul. Not the regular members of the first team.

I would recommend to everyone who would like a fair translation of any interviews, to sign up to the seagulls iplayer. It's only £6 a month and worth every penny to avoid confusion.
Seagulls player costs £4.49 per month or £37.99 direct debit.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: If you listen to the full press conference on the seagulls iplayer it comes over very different from this written article. The club has to be prepared for every scenario but our top players are not for sale unless we get crazy offers for them. He is not overhauling the main squad but prefers to work with 24 players rather than 34. Six of these players out, and two players in, would be considered an overhaul. Not the regular members of the first team. I would recommend to everyone who would like a fair translation of any interviews, to sign up to the seagulls iplayer. It's only £6 a month and worth every penny to avoid confusion.[/p][/quote]Seagulls player costs £4.49 per month or £37.99 direct debit. JUPILER

9:36pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Hovite says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
So Hovite if we read all the recent articles and, as you advise, listen to seagulls iplayer, the end result is, some fringe players will go and one or two better players will come in.
Further more, we are not interested in selling our stars but if a offer comes in that is too hard to decline, we will take it. This selling proviso, along with not standing in players way of stepping up, has always been our stance, so no news there.

Correct?
Absolutely, there may be a surprise but there probably won't be. I don't beleive any club knows for sure what will happen in January. We are no different.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So Hovite if we read all the recent articles and, as you advise, listen to seagulls iplayer, the end result is, some fringe players will go and one or two better players will come in. Further more, we are not interested in selling our stars but if a offer comes in that is too hard to decline, we will take it. This selling proviso, along with not standing in players way of stepping up, has always been our stance, so no news there. Correct?[/p][/quote]Absolutely, there may be a surprise but there probably won't be. I don't beleive any club knows for sure what will happen in January. We are no different. Hovite

10:47pm Fri 21 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: So Hovite if we read all the recent articles and, as you advise, listen to seagulls iplayer, the end result is, some fringe players will go and one or two better players will come in. Further more, we are not interested in selling our stars but if a offer comes in that is too hard to decline, we will take it. This selling proviso, along with not standing in players way of stepping up, has always been our stance, so no news there. Correct?
Absolutely, there may be a surprise but there probably won't be. I don't beleive any club knows for sure what will happen in January. We are no different.
The mist has cleared.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So Hovite if we read all the recent articles and, as you advise, listen to seagulls iplayer, the end result is, some fringe players will go and one or two better players will come in. Further more, we are not interested in selling our stars but if a offer comes in that is too hard to decline, we will take it. This selling proviso, along with not standing in players way of stepping up, has always been our stance, so no news there. Correct?[/p][/quote]Absolutely, there may be a surprise but there probably won't be. I don't beleive any club knows for sure what will happen in January. We are no different.[/p][/quote]The mist has cleared. VegasSeagull

11:06pm Fri 21 Dec 12

VegasSeagull says...

It is true to say that some players may not have performed in the way, 'we,' hoped they would, but I wonder if one or two of them have performed almost exactly how Gus, 'thougth,' they would.

I have lost count of how many times Gus has told us how they are, always looking at, working on and evaluating things.
Dobbie, signed on a three year deal, was this a forward looking deal? Did Gus make a premptive strike knowing that Norwich would probably come back this january for CMS.
The club were able to fight off the attention of Norwich but Gus told us how close they came to getting him, was Dobbie bought with this january in mind. Lightly used so far but we have a lot of matches to go.

David, another who has been lightly used, a player that might see much more playing time should certain players leave and one who appears to be versatile.

Hammond, an experienced mid-field player and a former Brighton captain, another who could get a lot more playing time if certain players leave.

Hoskins, a lightly used striker who only now gets his chance of stringing together a few matches, preparation for what might be to come?

Dobbie, Hammond, David and Hoskins, four players that have been short on playing time and, maybe due to that fact, all low on yellow cards and all have pretty much remained injury free.
If we are quick to sell, crazy offers, but slow to replace, hard to find, then all of the baove could become very important, and could hold the fort whilst new players find their feet.

Have Gus and Tony been very clever and we are just not seeing it?
It is true to say that some players may not have performed in the way, 'we,' hoped they would, but I wonder if one or two of them have performed almost exactly how Gus, 'thougth,' they would. I have lost count of how many times Gus has told us how they are, always looking at, working on and evaluating things. Dobbie, signed on a three year deal, was this a forward looking deal? Did Gus make a premptive strike knowing that Norwich would probably come back this january for CMS. The club were able to fight off the attention of Norwich but Gus told us how close they came to getting him, was Dobbie bought with this january in mind. Lightly used so far but we have a lot of matches to go. David, another who has been lightly used, a player that might see much more playing time should certain players leave and one who appears to be versatile. Hammond, an experienced mid-field player and a former Brighton captain, another who could get a lot more playing time if certain players leave. Hoskins, a lightly used striker who only now gets his chance of stringing together a few matches, preparation for what might be to come? Dobbie, Hammond, David and Hoskins, four players that have been short on playing time and, maybe due to that fact, all low on yellow cards and all have pretty much remained injury free. If we are quick to sell, crazy offers, but slow to replace, hard to find, then all of the baove could become very important, and could hold the fort whilst new players find their feet. Have Gus and Tony been very clever and we are just not seeing it? VegasSeagull

11:16pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Far gull says...

Very interesting discussions on both threads here today. I think gus wants proven players for the 2nd half of the season up front similar to close season recruits and I believe woods etc will not figure as he/they do not fit this criteria.
Gus tactics the key here only one up front only Drogba will do(not going to happen).??????
At this level two has to be the key IMHO in which case keep cms plus big centre forward aka Mellor/Robinson - Wardy. If not sell cms(regrettably )and Gus this will make or break him I feel with us and his career else where must then find the Drogba type and a suitable back up if injured, with Dobbie/orlando/ Vicente sat in behind. These are going to be interesting few 35 days my friends.
Sorry for know other player suggestions,personal I would alter our formation a bit to suit our current forward line but I don't think that is Gus. We shall see.
Very interesting discussions on both threads here today. I think gus wants proven players for the 2nd half of the season up front similar to close season recruits and I believe woods etc will not figure as he/they do not fit this criteria. Gus tactics the key here only one up front only Drogba will do(not going to happen).?????? At this level two has to be the key IMHO in which case keep cms plus big centre forward aka Mellor/Robinson - Wardy. If not sell cms(regrettably )and Gus this will make or break him I feel with us and his career else where must then find the Drogba type and a suitable back up if injured, with Dobbie/orlando/ Vicente sat in behind. These are going to be interesting few 35 days my friends. Sorry for know other player suggestions,personal I would alter our formation a bit to suit our current forward line but I don't think that is Gus. We shall see. Far gull

12:00am Sat 22 Dec 12

Bucket feet Duffy says...

The Phantom wrote:
Probably a fair assessment by Gus - they have been far more dominant in most games this season and probably should be about six points better off. Suspect that Dobbie may be one of the first to go in January - doesnt seem to have worked out for him or the club and rarely seems to get a chance now. Would imagine Harley will get picked up by somebody too and hopefully Sparrow will get a move to Scunthorpe. How about Gordon Greer moving on - 32 years old and contract due to run out at the end of the season.
You agree with what Gus says and then single our Greer to go ?

He is saying that we have a better defence
We are dominating most games
But we are not winning

Having watched all home games I also wold agree

He needs a midfield playmaker and a striker
We possibly have the best record bar non for chances created

It's the final ball and the quality up front someone who can put the sxxts up the oposition if Vicente had worked out we would have one element ( jury still out on that one for this season anyway) and the other would be someone that is powerful we don't need a powerfull midfielder just someone wit technique and vision

Vicente has both, sadly he either has a very bad attitude or an unfortunate tendency to pick up nasty injuries or both, we will see
[quote][p][bold]The Phantom[/bold] wrote: Probably a fair assessment by Gus - they have been far more dominant in most games this season and probably should be about six points better off. Suspect that Dobbie may be one of the first to go in January - doesnt seem to have worked out for him or the club and rarely seems to get a chance now. Would imagine Harley will get picked up by somebody too and hopefully Sparrow will get a move to Scunthorpe. How about Gordon Greer moving on - 32 years old and contract due to run out at the end of the season.[/p][/quote]You agree with what Gus says and then single our Greer to go ? He is saying that we have a better defence We are dominating most games But we are not winning Having watched all home games I also wold agree He needs a midfield playmaker and a striker We possibly have the best record bar non for chances created It's the final ball and the quality up front someone who can put the sxxts up the oposition if Vicente had worked out we would have one element ( jury still out on that one for this season anyway) and the other would be someone that is powerful we don't need a powerfull midfielder just someone wit technique and vision Vicente has both, sadly he either has a very bad attitude or an unfortunate tendency to pick up nasty injuries or both, we will see Bucket feet Duffy

12:21am Sat 22 Dec 12

Bucket feet Duffy says...

TB and Gus are playing poker as I have said before

They want to be in touch but not setting other teams a target

20 games from the end of January we will do 12 to 15 more points than our first twenty of the season we will be auto or playoffs this season for a cert

Just hold on to your padded seats and enjoy ! IMO
TB and Gus are playing poker as I have said before They want to be in touch but not setting other teams a target 20 games from the end of January we will do 12 to 15 more points than our first twenty of the season we will be auto or playoffs this season for a cert Just hold on to your padded seats and enjoy ! IMO Bucket feet Duffy

3:43am Sat 22 Dec 12

taman says...

Pity we cant buy a little Luck in the January window,How about add hit the woodwork spcialists to the draw specialists,
as John Mcgoven of forest siad the other night "I'd be worried for you if you wern't creating chances
Pity we cant buy a little Luck in the January window,How about add hit the woodwork spcialists to the draw specialists, as John Mcgoven of forest siad the other night "I'd be worried for you if you wern't creating chances taman

8:10am Sat 22 Dec 12

Gibseagull says...

To be honest, on the basis of Gus's most recent contradictory statements, the fact that he constantly tinkers with the team and looking at the lottery of players we got in at the end of the last transfer window, I'm not sure Gus really knows what to do in this window or how to convert draws into wins.
To be honest, on the basis of Gus's most recent contradictory statements, the fact that he constantly tinkers with the team and looking at the lottery of players we got in at the end of the last transfer window, I'm not sure Gus really knows what to do in this window or how to convert draws into wins. Gibseagull

8:40am Sat 22 Dec 12

Bucket feet Duffy says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: So Hovite if we read all the recent articles and, as you advise, listen to seagulls iplayer, the end result is, some fringe players will go and one or two better players will come in. Further more, we are not interested in selling our stars but if a offer comes in that is too hard to decline, we will take it. This selling proviso, along with not standing in players way of stepping up, has always been our stance, so no news there. Correct?
Absolutely, there may be a surprise but there probably won't be. I don't beleive any club knows for sure what will happen in January. We are no different.
The mist has cleared.
You are suggesting exactly what I have been saying on posts before.
I think Gus and TB have been playing poker, I would also say there are a few agents out there that are preparing for their relative players to move in or out,and although he says he doesn't like the loan system that it will be utilised.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So Hovite if we read all the recent articles and, as you advise, listen to seagulls iplayer, the end result is, some fringe players will go and one or two better players will come in. Further more, we are not interested in selling our stars but if a offer comes in that is too hard to decline, we will take it. This selling proviso, along with not standing in players way of stepping up, has always been our stance, so no news there. Correct?[/p][/quote]Absolutely, there may be a surprise but there probably won't be. I don't beleive any club knows for sure what will happen in January. We are no different.[/p][/quote]The mist has cleared.[/p][/quote]You are suggesting exactly what I have been saying on posts before. I think Gus and TB have been playing poker, I would also say there are a few agents out there that are preparing for their relative players to move in or out,and although he says he doesn't like the loan system that it will be utilised. Bucket feet Duffy

9:20am Sat 22 Dec 12

SMF20 says...

Last weekend before the Forest game I predicted the team to start and it happened and so I'm going to try it again this morning :)

Kuz
Bridge
El abd
Greer
David
Buckley
Hammond
Bridcutt
Lua Lua
Hoskins
Cms

Subs:

Brez
Dunk
Crofts
Dobbie
Barnes
Samparo
Toby

I'm assuming that Bruno, Calderon, Dicker, Orlandi and Vicente are all still injured.

Uta
Last weekend before the Forest game I predicted the team to start and it happened and so I'm going to try it again this morning :) Kuz Bridge El abd Greer David Buckley Hammond Bridcutt Lua Lua Hoskins Cms Subs: Brez Dunk Crofts Dobbie Barnes Samparo Toby I'm assuming that Bruno, Calderon, Dicker, Orlandi and Vicente are all still injured. Uta SMF20

10:53am Sat 22 Dec 12

Major Bloodboil says...

I think that one of the most disappointing things about the club is that none of the development squad has developed!

I was listening to Warren Aspinall on the Seagull Player commentary the other day and gained the distinct impression that we had a striker all lined up to sign in the window...but I may be wrong about that.
I think that one of the most disappointing things about the club is that none of the development squad has developed! I was listening to Warren Aspinall on the Seagull Player commentary the other day and gained the distinct impression that we had a striker all lined up to sign in the window...but I may be wrong about that. Major Bloodboil

11:27am Sat 22 Dec 12

Hovite says...

SMF20, I agree with the line up, I posted the same on Thursday minus the bench.

Would like to see Toby on the bench instead of Harley but I think Harley will be on it because he is in the shop window.
SMF20, I agree with the line up, I posted the same on Thursday minus the bench. Would like to see Toby on the bench instead of Harley but I think Harley will be on it because he is in the shop window. Hovite

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