Poyet: Play-off place is there for the taking (From The Argus)
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Poyet: Play-off place is there for the taking
10:30am Tuesday 8th January 2013 in Albion By Andy Naylor
Gus Poyet
GUS Poyet says Albion will have only themselves to blame if they do not make the play-offs.
The boss believes there are only “three or four” sides better than the Seagulls in the Championship and wants his players to grab a “great opportunity” to finish in the top six.
The Seagulls turn their attention back to the league, with key games at home to Derby on Saturday and away to Birmingham a week later, after knocking Newcastle out of the FA Cup again.
They are ninth, above Derby on goal difference and three points outside the play-offs with a game in hand on the majority of their rivals, as they bid for only their third league win at The Amex since mid-September against Nigel Clough’s County.
Poyet said: “We have had six or seven games at home that we didn’t win that I’m sure won’t happen in the next 20 years of my managerial career. We were so much better than the opposition it was scary.
“We are better than last year but it hasn’t shown in the table and that is our fault. It’s a great opportunity this year for many, many teams to be in the top six.
“I’m sure the only ones to blame if we are not there is us. Of course, there are opposition players but there are three or four teams better than the rest.
“The rest of the table we are all very similar and it is up to us to make sure we win. The opportunity is there, let’s see if we can take it.”
Albion will know their FA Cup fourth round opponents a week tomorrow, when Arsenal face Swansea in their replay at The Emirates. Poyet is keen to ensure another cup run does not detract from the priority of sustaining a promotion challenge.
He said: “It can go either way, help you to keep the momentum or against you if you expend too much energy. Last year in the beginning it was bad for us. We gave everything against Sunderland and Liverpool (League Cup) and then we were terrible for two months. I hope it doesn’t happen.”
Albion’s last 32 collision with Arsenal or Swansea coincides with the scheduled completion of stage two of The Amex expansion, an extra 500 seats in the South Stand hospitality area.
Meanwhile, the Seagulls and Derby could both drop a place before locking horns – but only if their former striker Dean Saunders makes a losing start to his reign as Wolves manager against Blackburn Rovers at Molineux on Friday night.
Albion's promotion challenge could soon be boosted by the return to contention of Vicente after the Spanish playmaker resumed training with the first team squad today.
* See tomorrow's Argus for the full story.
Comments(67)
ballantrrae
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11:28am Tue 8 Jan 13
Poyet needs to go out and sign the striker he has been wanting for the last 18 months.
There is little to be gained and much to lose waiting for Ulloa's passport situation to be resolved. The Spanish 'red tape' is notoriously slow in dealing with things so it could be some time before he is given one.
With only 3 weeks until the Transfer Window closes we can't afford to miss out on those other options Poyet mentioned a week ago that BHA had under consideration.
I am pretty confident that had the Albion had the type of striker Poyet is seeking that we would have won quite a few of those games we dominated but drew earlier this season.
Comments anyone ?
klemaniac
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12:35pm Tue 8 Jan 13
VegasSeagull
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12:53pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Two strikers are needed, IMHO, and I hope we are moving toward the second whilst we wait for the first.
Even a quick glance at the table tells us that a playoff place is within reach. The amount of points we have dropped to draws is huge and yet we are still in a good place.
championshipgull
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1:11pm Tue 8 Jan 13
ballantrrae wrote:I think plan A at the beginning of the season was for the midfield to come up and support CMS. Plan B was for a big supporting striker. Plan A for what ever reason has not quite worked out although 3 points behind the playoffs with 20 games to play ain’t bad. If we are going to make up points and win the playoffs plan B must now have more of a priority than it had earlier in the season.
There is one thing Poyet could do now to improve our chances of getting to the play-offs. As he says in the above report we will only have ourselves to blame if we don't make them.
Poyet needs to go out and sign the striker he has been wanting for the last 18 months.
There is little to be gained and much to lose waiting for Ulloa's passport situation to be resolved. The Spanish 'red tape' is notoriously slow in dealing with things so it could be some time before he is given one.
With only 3 weeks until the Transfer Window closes we can't afford to miss out on those other options Poyet mentioned a week ago that BHA had under consideration.
I am pretty confident that had the Albion had the type of striker Poyet is seeking that we would have won quite a few of those games we dominated but drew earlier this season.
Comments anyone ?
ballantrrae
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1:15pm Tue 8 Jan 13
klemaniac wrote:All good points klemaniac but it was Poyet who when the Ulloa story broke said the club had other (striking) options under consideration. I am simply suggesting a week later that perhaps it would be wise to start pursuing those other optios now.
It's all very well saying go out and get a striker but first of all, is there a suitable striker available, secondly is he willing to come here and third can we afford him, his wages and the agents fees
It shouldn't take long to establish if they are available and if they are the price. I agree negotiating on the price and persuading someone to join takes time. It is for those reasons that I feel we need to look to players other than Ulloa now. Apart from anything else we don't know that if and when Ulloa gets his passport that he will decide to join us.
VegasSeagull I see that you are still suggesting getting two strikers in. Pursuing that thought perhaps getting a young striker of the same sort of calibre as the young Latvian defender Vita (shortened first name) could be a good first option with a second more experienced player also joining (hopefully). What do you think ?
By the way both Dickerson and Barker are back training with the club now that their loan spells have finished.
Freeloaders
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1:30pm Tue 8 Jan 13
VegasSeagull
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1:31pm Tue 8 Jan 13
If we get a new striker and CMS or Hoskins gets injured, we are back to square one.
Right now Gus can't rest a striker, we don't have others, no more can he replace an injured striker.
We don't have our target man so one would hope that is being rectified. Let's say that we got our target/hold up, striker and no one else, do we not need both CMS and Hoskins on the park to feed off him. If either were out for what ever reason, the benefit of having the target/hold up striker is deminished. We must have a vialble option up front other than CMS or Hoskins.
I could go with one experienced striker and one younger but only if the younger were able to step in when needed. I don't want a developement striker signed just to boost us for next year or the year after. Yes build the quality of the DS but also have that extra option up front to ensure that we don't take to the park playing certain players just because we have no one else.
Old Scrote of the Amex
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1:47pm Tue 8 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:But we have four players who can naturally play up front, yet we play only one. I'm not sure why we need to increase that to six just because of numbers. If we get two new players who are completely different to what we already have then great - more options - but getting bodies in for the sake of having more players to choose from seems... excessive.
Ballantrrae, yes I am still banging on about the need for two strikers. As I have said before, if we get a new striker and he gets injured we are back to square one.
If we get a new striker and CMS or Hoskins gets injured, we are back to square one.
Right now Gus can't rest a striker, we don't have others, no more can he replace an injured striker.
We don't have our target man so one would hope that is being rectified. Let's say that we got our target/hold up, striker and no one else, do we not need both CMS and Hoskins on the park to feed off him. If either were out for what ever reason, the benefit of having the target/hold up striker is deminished. We must have a vialble option up front other than CMS or Hoskins.
I could go with one experienced striker and one younger but only if the younger were able to step in when needed. I don't want a developement striker signed just to boost us for next year or the year after. Yes build the quality of the DS but also have that extra option up front to ensure that we don't take to the park playing certain players just because we have no one else.
And if the new guy comes in and gets injured we are left with what we have, which is not exactly shabby.
Freeloaders
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1:53pm Tue 8 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:You are banging on about two strikers Vagas because you have a football brain & can think for yourself.Like im sure you know Vagas the scouting net-work that brought Hoskins to the club Gus got rid of long ago.Thats not to say Hoskins is a bad player.But there is history with the lad,and its clear Poyet is not 100% sure about it yet.Most of these people can't think for themselfs like you Vagas.So they take action against the poster because thats all they care about in their small world,or can even get upset about.As you must have read Vagas Hovite went to wait at a bandstand in the cold for half hour.To have a fight i should think lol,over a football post with someone he does not even know,or even know what the person looks like LOL.What kind of people do you really think you are talking with Vagas LOL.They are not in your league thats for sure.
Ballantrrae, yes I am still banging on about the need for two strikers. As I have said before, if we get a new striker and he gets injured we are back to square one.
If we get a new striker and CMS or Hoskins gets injured, we are back to square one.
Right now Gus can't rest a striker, we don't have others, no more can he replace an injured striker.
We don't have our target man so one would hope that is being rectified. Let's say that we got our target/hold up, striker and no one else, do we not need both CMS and Hoskins on the park to feed off him. If either were out for what ever reason, the benefit of having the target/hold up striker is deminished. We must have a vialble option up front other than CMS or Hoskins.
I could go with one experienced striker and one younger but only if the younger were able to step in when needed. I don't want a developement striker signed just to boost us for next year or the year after. Yes build the quality of the DS but also have that extra option up front to ensure that we don't take to the park playing certain players just because we have no one else.
VegasSeagull
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1:53pm Tue 8 Jan 13
I am of the opinion that young lads such as these can benefit from going out on loan but I do wish that their placements could be better handled.
JFC showed promise with us, he started for the senior eleven and scored, but at Oxford he became a bench warmer far too often.
If our youngsters are going out on loan then they need to go where they will get playing time. I doubt we know any more about the three of them than we knew before they went out on loan. I am sure that some of these clubs that take youngsters on loan see them as nothing more than third string options, low priced cover for their own first and second string players.
Freeloaders
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1:54pm Tue 8 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:You are banging on about two strikers Vagas because you have a football brain & can think for yourself.Like im sure you know Vagas the scouting net-work that brought Hoskins to the club Gus got rid of long ago.Thats not to say Hoskins is a bad player.But there is history with the lad,and its clear Poyet is not 100% sure about it yet.Most of these people can't think for themselfs like you Vagas.So they take action against the poster because thats all they care about in their small world,or can even get upset about.As you must have read Vagas Hovite went to wait at a bandstand in the cold for half hour.To have a fight i should think lol,over a football post with someone he does not even know,or even know what the person looks like LOL.What kind of people do you really think you are talking with Vagas LOL.They are not in your league thats for sure.
Ballantrrae, yes I am still banging on about the need for two strikers. As I have said before, if we get a new striker and he gets injured we are back to square one.
If we get a new striker and CMS or Hoskins gets injured, we are back to square one.
Right now Gus can't rest a striker, we don't have others, no more can he replace an injured striker.
We don't have our target man so one would hope that is being rectified. Let's say that we got our target/hold up, striker and no one else, do we not need both CMS and Hoskins on the park to feed off him. If either were out for what ever reason, the benefit of having the target/hold up striker is deminished. We must have a vialble option up front other than CMS or Hoskins.
I could go with one experienced striker and one younger but only if the younger were able to step in when needed. I don't want a developement striker signed just to boost us for next year or the year after. Yes build the quality of the DS but also have that extra option up front to ensure that we don't take to the park playing certain players just because we have no one else.
CantUseNSCatWork
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1:59pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:I somehow doubt Mr Clough jnr would fall into that trap unfortunately.
Just been reading on a Derby forum and they seem to have been fooled by the match against Newcastle: "they have very slow wingers". Buckley and LuaLua are not Barnes and Orlandi, when it comes to pace. They could be in for a rude awakening.
Old Scrote of the Amex
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2:09pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Final thoughts on Freeloaders (just using his current antagonistic name) as I will not be reading his posts from now on (I'm assuming it's a guy): he has now started to ingratiate himself with a poster by using the other person's name in almost every sentence - precisely the same way that 'another' contributor did recently, and 'another' some time before that. I can't remember which pseudonym he was using but the sentence structure, grammar, punctuation (ie no spaces after commas and full stops) and phrases (think for yourself) are absolutely identical. Oh, and he replied to himself under a different username, just to have someone agree with him. One person, several pseudonyms.
THIS is why other sites use real names - and to avoid hypocrisy, my real name is Ryan. Hello to most of you, goodbye to a few.
fratsomrover
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2:10pm Tue 8 Jan 13
ballantrrae wrote:Whilst agreeing that Gus needs to go out and acquire that striker he keeps talking about, I also feel that many of those drawn games he refers to could have been won had he played a more attacking formation. We do have forwards, but he is reluctant to start games with them. Ulloah may be an asset, if he comes, or maybe not. He's a little unproven at this level so I think it will be a gamble in any case. Hoskins finally had the opportunity to show us he can be a stylish finisher. Starting a game with him alongside Buckley and one of CMS, Lua Lua, Orlandi might also bring about a more positive outcome. Got to be an improvement on Greer, Dunk, El Abd ?.
There is one thing Poyet could do now to improve our chances of getting to the play-offs. As he says in the above report we will only have ourselves to blame if we don't make them.
Poyet needs to go out and sign the striker he has been wanting for the last 18 months.
There is little to be gained and much to lose waiting for Ulloa's passport situation to be resolved. The Spanish 'red tape' is notoriously slow in dealing with things so it could be some time before he is given one.
With only 3 weeks until the Transfer Window closes we can't afford to miss out on those other options Poyet mentioned a week ago that BHA had under consideration.
I am pretty confident that had the Albion had the type of striker Poyet is seeking that we would have won quite a few of those games we dominated but drew earlier this season.
Comments anyone ?
One other thought that struck me was I wonder if Gus has ever considered playing Lua Lua down the middle. With his sharp turns, instant ball control, speed and fierce shot, I could imagine him causing big centre halves far more trouble than CMS or Barnes. Just as Walcott wants to play CF at Arsenal, I reckon Kaz could do a job there for us. We would still have Will B, Orlandi/Lopez to provide width. It would also suit Gus's idea of playing everything on the ground. Comments anyone ?
VegasSeagull
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2:12pm Tue 8 Jan 13
When the game is big we have a habit of performing, history tells us that. One could argue that the upcoming match against Derby is bigger than the FA Cup game against Newcastle.
Brighton are on the up right now. Ipswich were on a roll, we dealt with them. Newcastle, a depleated team yes, but we dominated them.
A couple of weeks back our heads were drooping, morale was not good, on the park or in the stands but today, well today we are back. Any winning streak starts with just one game, and we now have two.
Old Scrote of the Amex
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2:17pm Tue 8 Jan 13
fratsomrover wrote:TBH, I'm not sure the lack of attacking formations stopped us beating Bolton or Forest - we could easily have won both of those games by five clear goals. Chance after chance spurned or saved. Really, there is VERY little wrong with the current set-up, just one or two minor tweaks and a bit more luck could be all that's needs to get us comfortably in the play-offs.
ballantrrae wrote:Whilst agreeing that Gus needs to go out and acquire that striker he keeps talking about, I also feel that many of those drawn games he refers to could have been won had he played a more attacking formation. We do have forwards, but he is reluctant to start games with them. Ulloah may be an asset, if he comes, or maybe not. He's a little unproven at this level so I think it will be a gamble in any case. Hoskins finally had the opportunity to show us he can be a stylish finisher. Starting a game with him alongside Buckley and one of CMS, Lua Lua, Orlandi might also bring about a more positive outcome. Got to be an improvement on Greer, Dunk, El Abd ?.
There is one thing Poyet could do now to improve our chances of getting to the play-offs. As he says in the above report we will only have ourselves to blame if we don't make them.
Poyet needs to go out and sign the striker he has been wanting for the last 18 months.
There is little to be gained and much to lose waiting for Ulloa's passport situation to be resolved. The Spanish 'red tape' is notoriously slow in dealing with things so it could be some time before he is given one.
With only 3 weeks until the Transfer Window closes we can't afford to miss out on those other options Poyet mentioned a week ago that BHA had under consideration.
I am pretty confident that had the Albion had the type of striker Poyet is seeking that we would have won quite a few of those games we dominated but drew earlier this season.
Comments anyone ?
One other thought that struck me was I wonder if Gus has ever considered playing Lua Lua down the middle. With his sharp turns, instant ball control, speed and fierce shot, I could imagine him causing big centre halves far more trouble than CMS or Barnes. Just as Walcott wants to play CF at Arsenal, I reckon Kaz could do a job there for us. We would still have Will B, Orlandi/Lopez to provide width. It would also suit Gus's idea of playing everything on the ground. Comments anyone ?
Bish May Turn
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2:42pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Gus said the impact Jason Roberts made, got Reading promoted,Alex Fergusson knew Van Persie would win the league for them, lets go for it and get that striker in now.
VegasSeagull
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2:44pm Tue 8 Jan 13
He will be one of a kind in our squad, we will have zero cover for him. By obtaining two new strikers we just might end up with cover for our target man and a person that can challenge CMS or Hoskins for their place on the park.
Competition for places is good.
Being able to rest players is good.
Having options tailored to your oposition is good.
Having cover for lack of form, injury or suspensions is good.
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Freeloaders
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2:51pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:That would be Hovite then 4 different names they told me.You couldn't anser one point could you.Lets face it unlike me & Vagas you didn't even know Gus changed the scouting net-work long ago since the Hoskins deal.Like MBTS will tell you go & have chat with Dave Allen if you think you know so much about football.Your friend Barker didn't do to well at Barnet did he lol.Just one app & three as a unused sub.No goals.They don't want him back.Im 100% sure apart from if we have nothing to play for at the end of the season.Your friends Barker,Anton Rodgers,Oatway Jr,Dickenson,and JFC will not play for the first team.Its so clear im so spot on most of the time it really hurts you.Like i said,"im sure Dave would help point you in the right way."But you would never talk with him because you know your wrong already.You didn't even know Gus changed the scouting net-work after the Hoskins deal. LOL
If we get two more strikers in without letting any go, how will we keep them happy? CMS, Hoskins, Dobbie, Barnes + two more, for a team that rarely plays with more than one at a time (although in Barnes's case, he is more of a wide attacking midfielder now).
Final thoughts on Freeloaders (just using his current antagonistic name) as I will not be reading his posts from now on (I'm assuming it's a guy): he has now started to ingratiate himself with a poster by using the other person's name in almost every sentence - precisely the same way that 'another' contributor did recently, and 'another' some time before that. I can't remember which pseudonym he was using but the sentence structure, grammar, punctuation (ie no spaces after commas and full stops) and phrases (think for yourself) are absolutely identical. Oh, and he replied to himself under a different username, just to have someone agree with him. One person, several pseudonyms.
THIS is why other sites use real names - and to avoid hypocrisy, my real name is Ryan. Hello to most of you, goodbye to a few.
the taffster
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3:16pm Tue 8 Jan 13
sussexram40
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3:32pm Tue 8 Jan 13
I'd rather see us hoofing up to a big centre forward than playing pretty patterns across the park and it fizzling out .
Goals are what count. You don't get anything for possession and passing. Not in this game.
Freeloaders
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3:44pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:Like i said yesterday would you feel so sure about yourself saying this to Charlie Oatway or Harry Redknapp.Who both admit Reading & writing is not their strong point.But its not stopped them getting to the top of their game.At the end of the day this is a football post site & not a English degree.Im sure Charlie & Harry have done a lot better in life than you,and me come to that.So what does that make you."Just one very sad little man."Now get a life & see it for what it is.A football site for everyone,thats just a bit of fun.Its funny there is never people like you on other clubs sites.
If we get two more strikers in without letting any go, how will we keep them happy? CMS, Hoskins, Dobbie, Barnes + two more, for a team that rarely plays with more than one at a time (although in Barnes's case, he is more of a wide attacking midfielder now).
Final thoughts on Freeloaders (just using his current antagonistic name) as I will not be reading his posts from now on (I'm assuming it's a guy): he has now started to ingratiate himself with a poster by using the other person's name in almost every sentence - precisely the same way that 'another' contributor did recently, and 'another' some time before that. I can't remember which pseudonym he was using but the sentence structure, grammar, punctuation (ie no spaces after commas and full stops) and phrases (think for yourself) are absolutely identical. Oh, and he replied to himself under a different username, just to have someone agree with him. One person, several pseudonyms.
THIS is why other sites use real names - and to avoid hypocrisy, my real name is Ryan. Hello to most of you, goodbye to a few.
Freeloaders
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3:46pm Tue 8 Jan 13
sussexram40 wrote:Outstanding post from yet another fan with their own brain.Spot on my friend.
Hoof it up can work well. It doesnt have to be pretty. Mick McCarthy and Big Sam Allardyce have proved that.
I'd rather see us hoofing up to a big centre forward than playing pretty patterns across the park and it fizzling out .
Goals are what count. You don't get anything for possession and passing. Not in this game.
VegasSeagull
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4:02pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Route one can work if used sparingly as can the big cross field ball, saturday showed that, but at the end of the day skillfull ground players get you the silverware.
dave from bexill
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4:11pm Tue 8 Jan 13
sussexram40 wrote:. "You don't get anything for possession and passing. Not in this game"
Hoof it up can work well. It doesnt have to be pretty. Mick McCarthy and Big Sam Allardyce have proved that.
I'd rather see us hoofing up to a big centre forward than playing pretty patterns across the park and it fizzling out .
Goals are what count. You don't get anything for possession and passing. Not in this game.
You're joking right sussexram40?
reagull
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4:16pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:.....I too have decided to stop reading posts from a select few as I am very bored of reading the same old rubbish - day in, day out that appears to be saturating every story these days, I used to enjoy reading all posts but it has recently spiralled into repetative, boring ****. yawn.
If we get two more strikers in without letting any go, how will we keep them happy? CMS, Hoskins, Dobbie, Barnes + two more, for a team that rarely plays with more than one at a time (although in Barnes's case, he is more of a wide attacking midfielder now). Final thoughts on Freeloaders (just using his current antagonistic name) as I will not be reading his posts from now on (I'm assuming it's a guy): he has now started to ingratiate himself with a poster by using the other person's name in almost every sentence - precisely the same way that 'another' contributor did recently, and 'another' some time before that. I can't remember which pseudonym he was using but the sentence structure, grammar, punctuation (ie no spaces after commas and full stops) and phrases (think for yourself) are absolutely identical. Oh, and he replied to himself under a different username, just to have someone agree with him. One person, several pseudonyms. THIS is why other sites use real names - and to avoid hypocrisy, my real name is Ryan. Hello to most of you, goodbye to a few.
Old Scrote of the Amex
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4:48pm Tue 8 Jan 13
CantUseNSCatWork wrote:Yeah, although it would be sweet if he DID use his less-clued-up supporters for his pre-match scouting reports :-)
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:I somehow doubt Mr Clough jnr would fall into that trap unfortunately.
Just been reading on a Derby forum and they seem to have been fooled by the match against Newcastle: "they have very slow wingers". Buckley and LuaLua are not Barnes and Orlandi, when it comes to pace. They could be in for a rude awakening.
DESLYNHAMSMOUSTACHE
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5:06pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:Not Gerry by any chance?
If we get two more strikers in without letting any go, how will we keep them happy? CMS, Hoskins, Dobbie, Barnes + two more, for a team that rarely plays with more than one at a time (although in Barnes's case, he is more of a wide attacking midfielder now).
Final thoughts on Freeloaders (just using his current antagonistic name) as I will not be reading his posts from now on (I'm assuming it's a guy): he has now started to ingratiate himself with a poster by using the other person's name in almost every sentence - precisely the same way that 'another' contributor did recently, and 'another' some time before that. I can't remember which pseudonym he was using but the sentence structure, grammar, punctuation (ie no spaces after commas and full stops) and phrases (think for yourself) are absolutely identical. Oh, and he replied to himself under a different username, just to have someone agree with him. One person, several pseudonyms.
THIS is why other sites use real names - and to avoid hypocrisy, my real name is Ryan. Hello to most of you, goodbye to a few.
Alfie T
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5:17pm Tue 8 Jan 13
DESLYNHAMSMOUSTACHE wrote:No, Ryan Scrote who is obviously not in the first flush of youth.
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:Not Gerry by any chance?
If we get two more strikers in without letting any go, how will we keep them happy? CMS, Hoskins, Dobbie, Barnes + two more, for a team that rarely plays with more than one at a time (although in Barnes's case, he is more of a wide attacking midfielder now).
Final thoughts on Freeloaders (just using his current antagonistic name) as I will not be reading his posts from now on (I'm assuming it's a guy): he has now started to ingratiate himself with a poster by using the other person's name in almost every sentence - precisely the same way that 'another' contributor did recently, and 'another' some time before that. I can't remember which pseudonym he was using but the sentence structure, grammar, punctuation (ie no spaces after commas and full stops) and phrases (think for yourself) are absolutely identical. Oh, and he replied to himself under a different username, just to have someone agree with him. One person, several pseudonyms.
THIS is why other sites use real names - and to avoid hypocrisy, my real name is Ryan. Hello to most of you, goodbye to a few.
mark by the sea
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5:39pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Oatway jr, again somewhat is a joke, signed from a virtual pub team, with what chance of getting first team football? The clubs developement squad should have players with the ability after developing to play premiership football ! Is that seriously likely in either player?
However mr free loader, you state your involved in white hawk fc, but slate players who like a beer or two! ( pot kettle springs to mind)
On the matter of scouting and coaching, your spot on things are far from perfect, but look back 3 years ago, hInsh, white Bragg in scouting and coaching, sports teachers coaching at the centre of excellence, things have changed beyond belief,
With regards to scouting, the club are about to bring in a dozen or more kids from Italy and Spain, or should I say with Spanish or Italian passports, this is all in the pipeline, a 30 million pound academy training ground, with 4 star hotel standard facilities .
Lets remember, another 4000 seats available soon, decent players now at the club.. Things are not perfect, but the club Gus took over 3 years ago is a dinosaur.
Basically support the club .
Old Scrote of the Amex
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5:52pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Alfie T wrote:;-) Still playing though, which is why Ii don't get to the Amex as much as I'd like.
DESLYNHAMSMOUSTACHE wrote:No, Ryan Scrote who is obviously not in the first flush of youth.
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:Not Gerry by any chance?
If we get two more strikers in without letting any go, how will we keep them happy? CMS, Hoskins, Dobbie, Barnes + two more, for a team that rarely plays with more than one at a time (although in Barnes's case, he is more of a wide attacking midfielder now).
Final thoughts on Freeloaders (just using his current antagonistic name) as I will not be reading his posts from now on (I'm assuming it's a guy): he has now started to ingratiate himself with a poster by using the other person's name in almost every sentence - precisely the same way that 'another' contributor did recently, and 'another' some time before that. I can't remember which pseudonym he was using but the sentence structure, grammar, punctuation (ie no spaces after commas and full stops) and phrases (think for yourself) are absolutely identical. Oh, and he replied to himself under a different username, just to have someone agree with him. One person, several pseudonyms.
THIS is why other sites use real names - and to avoid hypocrisy, my real name is Ryan. Hello to most of you, goodbye to a few.
saraman
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6:12pm Tue 8 Jan 13
mark by the sea
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6:16pm Tue 8 Jan 13
saraman wrote:What Gus says, and what happens is a gulf, two wins is just that, we can't forget the games where we played so well, and to be honest should have scored a dozen, but either lost or sadly drew game after game.. We need another option, will Gus play two up front? Or is Barnes the only option in that team roll? Maybe cms will play it with a target man on loan duty, interesting days ahead.
The Spanish striker may or may not come off. No worries. I know I will be shot down in flames for this, but here goes. What if Gus was to announce that due to the overal improvements in all departments during the last two games he has reconsidered the urgency for an additional striker. He also goes on to say that he believes that the current squad is good enough to reach the play offs. Just think what that would do for the morale of the players. They will be busting a gut for the rest of the season. Football is as much to do with mind games as any other attribute. I've got my tin hat on.
MHubbs
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6:26pm Tue 8 Jan 13
A target man, as has often been mentioned, brings different options for example. Someone to cross the ball to, someone for CMS or Hoskins to play off.
It's not simply the need of a striker, or the silver bullet approach that a new face will bring goals. Management is about moulding the construct of the team as a whole to function as a complete unit. Our goal shortage will not be solved by one player miraculously scoring each time he gets the ball in the 18 yard box.
As Gus has previously stated, this is one of the drawbacks in buying abroad as it is often difficult to get overseas players to integrate well.
My feeling is that getting the right player to give us options beyond what we currently have is the key, not just the addition of more goalposts fodder!
Alfie T
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6:29pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:Good for you matey.
Alfie T wrote:;-) Still playing though, which is why Ii don't get to the Amex as much as I'd like.
DESLYNHAMSMOUSTACHE wrote:No, Ryan Scrote who is obviously not in the first flush of youth.
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:Not Gerry by any chance?
If we get two more strikers in without letting any go, how will we keep them happy? CMS, Hoskins, Dobbie, Barnes + two more, for a team that rarely plays with more than one at a time (although in Barnes's case, he is more of a wide attacking midfielder now).
Final thoughts on Freeloaders (just using his current antagonistic name) as I will not be reading his posts from now on (I'm assuming it's a guy): he has now started to ingratiate himself with a poster by using the other person's name in almost every sentence - precisely the same way that 'another' contributor did recently, and 'another' some time before that. I can't remember which pseudonym he was using but the sentence structure, grammar, punctuation (ie no spaces after commas and full stops) and phrases (think for yourself) are absolutely identical. Oh, and he replied to himself under a different username, just to have someone agree with him. One person, several pseudonyms.
THIS is why other sites use real names - and to avoid hypocrisy, my real name is Ryan. Hello to most of you, goodbye to a few.
Alfie T
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6:40pm Tue 8 Jan 13
mark by the sea wrote:Fair point Saraman, however Gus stated Reading and Jason Roberts as an example of what a side can achieve with the right striker. Look at Fergusson, he knew that landing Van Persie would deliver the title, and who would argue?
saraman wrote:What Gus says, and what happens is a gulf, two wins is just that, we can't forget the games where we played so well, and to be honest should have scored a dozen, but either lost or sadly drew game after game.. We need another option, will Gus play two up front? Or is Barnes the only option in that team roll? Maybe cms will play it with a target man on loan duty, interesting days ahead.
The Spanish striker may or may not come off. No worries. I know I will be shot down in flames for this, but here goes. What if Gus was to announce that due to the overal improvements in all departments during the last two games he has reconsidered the urgency for an additional striker. He also goes on to say that he believes that the current squad is good enough to reach the play offs. Just think what that would do for the morale of the players. They will be busting a gut for the rest of the season. Football is as much to do with mind games as any other attribute. I've got my tin hat on.
VegasSeagull
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6:43pm Tue 8 Jan 13
The answer lies in the I.P. address of the person posting comments. It would be simple for the Argus to restrict the users to just one identity per I.P. address, as you know each pc has it's own I.P. address.
Hovite
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6:53pm Tue 8 Jan 13
To be able to throw on Hoskins and Alloa? from the bench after CMS has tired himself and the defense out is one of many combo options.
Could even have all three of them on if we have to throw caution to the wind.
Milesy64
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7:05pm Tue 8 Jan 13
We are a great team, skillful & quick but a small team that lack height and tougness, just these 2 problems addressed and we are the finished article!
the taffster
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7:14pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Milesy64 wrote:exactly right.ive been saying it for months.he never replaced glenda.
It is quite clear that we need a tall striker to hold the ball up and head the ball, when did we last score from a corner? There has been so many games this season crying out for this!
We are a great team, skillful & quick but a small team that lack height and tougness, just these 2 problems addressed and we are the finished article!
VegasSeagull
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7:16pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Lacking toughness, do you mean in midfield, some one to play like Scoles, or do you mean tough as in strength to hold the ball up, up front, my guess is that you mean the latter.
I would dearly like to see our center backs play more of a role when we have a corner, they come up but they rarely have an impact. A smaller guy can jump high if he gets his timing and technique right.
John Terry is not the biggest defender in the prem but he manages to get on the end of corners quite often.
oksouthstander
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7:29pm Tue 8 Jan 13
ballantrrae
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7:32pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Milesy64 wrote:I agree.
It is quite clear that we need a tall striker to hold the ball up and head the ball, when did we last score from a corner? There has been so many games this season crying out for this!
We are a great team, skillful & quick but a small team that lack height and tougness, just these 2 problems addressed and we are the finished article!
However the last time we scored from a corner was against Ipswich last week. Hammond's goal comes to mind. Nonetheless your point is well made.
One other point. If Poyet thinks we need another striker then I suggest we do actually need another striker be it Ulloa or someone else.. One with the attributes you mention Milesy64 seems to be what Poyet wants.
Milesy64
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7:36pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Hovite
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7:36pm Tue 8 Jan 13
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=F_lkik83P
Mc
Bucket feet Duffy
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7:46pm Tue 8 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:Well said Vegas or is it Vagas see you have been Mentoring someone on here or is it just a ploy,lol
To those who would like to see an end to multi identities of those that comment on here, the Argus can deal with it very easily, if it chooses to do.
The answer lies in the I.P. address of the person posting comments. It would be simple for the Argus to restrict the users to just one identity per I.P. address, as you know each pc has it's own I.P. address.
I would also agree ref the centre backs, but feel that set plays are only part of the game, I for one enjoy the type of football we play whereas some teams actually play for free kicks from the halfway line onwards with the intention of slinging the ball into the big man, this is not a bad thing, if you noticed on Saturday this was the ploy NU resorted to later in the game with the goalie taking the free kicks so as to maximise men in the box.
golddene
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8:01pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Milesy64 wrote:Tuesday 1st January 2013.
It is quite clear that we need a tall striker to hold the ball up and head the ball, when did we last score from a corner? There has been so many games this season crying out for this!
We are a great team, skillful & quick but a small team that lack height and tougness, just these 2 problems addressed and we are the finished article!
Claude Back
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8:13pm Tue 8 Jan 13
reagull wrote:Ditto.
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:.....I too have decided to stop reading posts from a select few as I am very bored of reading the same old rubbish - day in, day out that appears to be saturating every story these days, I used to enjoy reading all posts but it has recently spiralled into repetative, boring ****. yawn.
If we get two more strikers in without letting any go, how will we keep them happy? CMS, Hoskins, Dobbie, Barnes + two more, for a team that rarely plays with more than one at a time (although in Barnes's case, he is more of a wide attacking midfielder now). Final thoughts on Freeloaders (just using his current antagonistic name) as I will not be reading his posts from now on (I'm assuming it's a guy): he has now started to ingratiate himself with a poster by using the other person's name in almost every sentence - precisely the same way that 'another' contributor did recently, and 'another' some time before that. I can't remember which pseudonym he was using but the sentence structure, grammar, punctuation (ie no spaces after commas and full stops) and phrases (think for yourself) are absolutely identical. Oh, and he replied to himself under a different username, just to have someone agree with him. One person, several pseudonyms. THIS is why other sites use real names - and to avoid hypocrisy, my real name is Ryan. Hello to most of you, goodbye to a few.
dave from bexill
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8:29pm Tue 8 Jan 13
MHubbs wrote:Absolutely right MHubbs
IMO bringing in another striker is about options, not just a case of having a 5th or 6th player who can play up front.
A target man, as has often been mentioned, brings different options for example. Someone to cross the ball to, someone for CMS or Hoskins to play off.
It's not simply the need of a striker, or the silver bullet approach that a new face will bring goals. Management is about moulding the construct of the team as a whole to function as a complete unit. Our goal shortage will not be solved by one player miraculously scoring each time he gets the ball in the 18 yard box.
As Gus has previously stated, this is one of the drawbacks in buying abroad as it is often difficult to get overseas players to integrate well.
My feeling is that getting the right player to give us options beyond what we currently have is the key, not just the addition of more goalposts fodder!
pappaK
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8:59pm Tue 8 Jan 13
I`m 12,000 clicks away and way off the pulse on whats happening to give a fair comment.Miss the chat`s in the bar.
I thought a certain person had spat the dummy last night and decided to give the postings a welcomed miss,but we should be so lucky,13 posts recorded in 6 hrs already,thats got to be an Argus record.Guiness book of records here we come.
I would love to read something with a bit of substance and have a bit of meat in it opposed to regurigitated woffle.
It`s amazing that someone has the Brightons game plans off to a tee, how players are playing when only being able to watch on a laptop on very few matches an then commenting on their game.Watching on a lap top when they are televised does not give justice to players performances...
..It would be good if the Argus gave us the option to be able to delete Woffle and intimidation from posts before we read them.Anyway thats my woffle,I`m off for a body surf.G`Day Bloggers
VegasSeagull
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9:23pm Tue 8 Jan 13
I guess all we can form our opinions on are:
BBC web site post match report.
Sky web site post match report.
Brighton's web site post match report.
Gus's post match comments.
At least one Brighton player's comments.
The opponents manager's post match comments.
The opponents web site match report.
The Argus match report.
The fans that attend the match and then post what they saw on this forum.
Oh yeah, and the odd game we get to see on our computers.
As I say, it's really hard to get an idea of what is going on. Maybe that is why we use the IMHO letters so much.
brightonup
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9:32pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:Is there a more contemptible creature than a troll? They prey on the concerns and discomfort of true supporters, cowardly hiding behind their user names to make libellous comments about the players, management and other posters with impunity, knowing that they will never be properly brought to account. They claim to be 'in the know' (apparently having 'mates' at the club) and they declare that their ceaseless negative drivel is football nous or merely being 'realistic'.
If we get two more strikers in without letting any go, how will we keep them happy? CMS, Hoskins, Dobbie, Barnes + two more, for a team that rarely plays with more than one at a time (although in Barnes's case, he is more of a wide attacking midfielder now). Final thoughts on Freeloaders (just using his current antagonistic name) as I will not be reading his posts from now on (I'm assuming it's a guy): he has now started to ingratiate himself with a poster by using the other person's name in almost every sentence - precisely the same way that 'another' contributor did recently, and 'another' some time before that. I can't remember which pseudonym he was using but the sentence structure, grammar, punctuation (ie no spaces after commas and full stops) and phrases (think for yourself) are absolutely identical. Oh, and he replied to himself under a different username, just to have someone agree with him. One person, several pseudonyms. THIS is why other sites use real names - and to avoid hypocrisy, my real name is Ryan. Hello to most of you, goodbye to a few.
But particularly loathsome trolls pretend to be true supporters themselves, making ingratiating comments to anyone who expresses even vaguely similar sentiments . Finally, they are so ignorant as to make their puerile points with more mechanical errors than a five year old - and are arrogant enough to claim that football experts don't need to bother to punctuate or express themselves accurately. A poster who exhibits all these characteristics deserves pity and contempt in equal measure...... and we have our very own exponent....a true vulgarian!
Alfie T
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9:33pm Tue 8 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:Vegas, will you be coming back to the UK or is this your life long gig?
It is very difficult for expats to comment on our teams matches, we just don't get to the ground and therefore our supply of reliable information is very limited.
I guess all we can form our opinions on are:
BBC web site post match report.
Sky web site post match report.
Brighton's web site post match report.
Gus's post match comments.
At least one Brighton player's comments.
The opponents manager's post match comments.
The opponents web site match report.
The Argus match report.
The fans that attend the match and then post what they saw on this forum.
Oh yeah, and the odd game we get to see on our computers.
As I say, it's really hard to get an idea of what is going on. Maybe that is why we use the IMHO letters so much.
Baldseagull
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10:04pm Tue 8 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:But Freeloaders would call them vile freeloading scum if they did not play regularly.
If we were to get the two strikers that I am calling for, remember one of them would be the target man, the person we plan to sign. When this guys arrives he will remove one of our existing from the starting eleven.
He will be one of a kind in our squad, we will have zero cover for him. By obtaining two new strikers we just might end up with cover for our target man and a person that can challenge CMS or Hoskins for their place on the park.
Competition for places is good.
Being able to rest players is good.
Having options tailored to your oposition is good.
Having cover for lack of form, injury or suspensions is good.
. .
Baldseagull
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10:20pm Tue 8 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:Not quite true I'm afraid.
To those who would like to see an end to multi identities of those that comment on here, the Argus can deal with it very easily, if it chooses to do.
The answer lies in the I.P. address of the person posting comments. It would be simple for the Argus to restrict the users to just one identity per I.P. address, as you know each pc has it's own I.P. address.
championshipgull
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11:06pm Tue 8 Jan 13
VegasSeagull wrote:Not everyone’s cup of tea but I have been getting some good stuff from the links on twitter this season. Latest on there is a picture of Vicente in training today
It is very difficult for expats to comment on our teams matches, we just don't get to the ground and therefore our supply of reliable information is very limited.
I guess all we can form our opinions on are:
BBC web site post match report.
Sky web site post match report.
Brighton's web site post match report.
Gus's post match comments.
At least one Brighton player's comments.
The opponents manager's post match comments.
The opponents web site match report.
The Argus match report.
The fans that attend the match and then post what they saw on this forum.
Oh yeah, and the odd game we get to see on our computers.
As I say, it's really hard to get an idea of what is going on. Maybe that is why we use the IMHO letters so much.
https://twitter.com/
OfficialBHAFC/status
/288685679519621120/
photo/1
and Andy Naylor saying there is a article on Vicente in the Argus tomorrow which will probably end up here. #bhafc. Anyway happy posting for tomorrow, always good to hear what the expats think.
VegasSeagull
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11:06pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Baldseagull wrote:I stand corrected. I made the statement I did because on poker gambling sites they employ this measure to try and ensure that the, 'fix,' is not put in on any one table.
VegasSeagull wrote: To those who would like to see an end to multi identities of those that comment on here, the Argus can deal with it very easily, if it chooses to do. The answer lies in the I.P. address of the person posting comments. It would be simple for the Argus to restrict the users to just one identity per I.P. address, as you know each pc has it's own I.P. address.Not quite true I'm afraid.
The web site Poker Stars will only allow one user on one I.P address.
I am not that clued in to computer software but I simply offered it as a method already in use.
VegasSeagull
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11:15pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Alfie T wrote:Alfie yes I am here for the long haul. I have been here for about 12 years now.
VegasSeagull wrote: It is very difficult for expats to comment on our teams matches, we just don't get to the ground and therefore our supply of reliable information is very limited. I guess all we can form our opinions on are: BBC web site post match report. Sky web site post match report. Brighton's web site post match report. Gus's post match comments. At least one Brighton player's comments. The opponents manager's post match comments. The opponents web site match report. The Argus match report. The fans that attend the match and then post what they saw on this forum. Oh yeah, and the odd game we get to see on our computers. As I say, it's really hard to get an idea of what is going on. Maybe that is why we use the IMHO letters so much.Vegas, will you be coming back to the UK or is this your life long gig?
I do get back from time to time, and of course when I do get back a trip to the Amex is high on my list of things to do, along with have a curry.
I was back for a few months last year, got to see some matches.
Not sure when I will get back again but when ever it is, it will certainly be during the season.
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LeKevo
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11:35pm Tue 8 Jan 13
Someone pointed out Kaz in a central role, this would be great to see, pace, turn left, turn right, powerful shot, maybe needing vision for killer passes. Bucks 'n Orlandi out wide, CMS feeding from cut back/low crosses as both wide players have the attributes to deliver such balls with out the need to pump high to the box. With Bridders tidying up & our defence holding firm, we can continue the Poyet philosophy.
Albeit crisper, sharper passing. If BHA manage to obtain services of a 'hitman' then obviously an option we been missing. I love the way we play, albeit frustrating at times but us fans are a fickle lot. We never seems to be happy. Long may we continue to play 'football'
VegasSeagull
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12:07am Wed 9 Jan 13
Baldseagull wrote:Maybe not. If the players is good, or at least good in the eyes of Freeloader, then he is ok with them not playing week in and week out.
VegasSeagull wrote: If we were to get the two strikers that I am calling for, remember one of them would be the target man, the person we plan to sign. When this guys arrives he will remove one of our existing from the starting eleven. He will be one of a kind in our squad, we will have zero cover for him. By obtaining two new strikers we just might end up with cover for our target man and a person that can challenge CMS or Hoskins for their place on the park. Competition for places is good. Being able to rest players is good. Having options tailored to your oposition is good. Having cover for lack of form, injury or suspensions is good. . .But Freeloaders would call them vile freeloading scum if they did not play regularly.
I asked him yesterday if he felt that Grant Hall was a waste and he said definitely not, now how often does that lad start for Spurs.
VegasSeagull
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12:20am Wed 9 Jan 13
LeKevo wrote:Kaz running at them down the middle, that could cause some havoc.
Not a regular poster, but a regular reader... Someone pointed out Kaz in a central role, this would be great to see, pace, turn left, turn right, powerful shot, maybe needing vision for killer passes. Bucks 'n Orlandi out wide, CMS feeding from cut back/low crosses as both wide players have the attributes to deliver such balls with out the need to pump high to the box. With Bridders tidying up & our defence holding firm, we can continue the Poyet philosophy. Albeit crisper, sharper passing. If BHA manage to obtain services of a 'hitman' then obviously an option we been missing. I love the way we play, albeit frustrating at times but us fans are a fickle lot. We never seems to be happy. Long may we continue to play 'football'
A few weeks back I offered the idea of CMS playing an attacking midfield role, he too might create some serious difficulties when running at defenses.
LeKevo
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1:30am Wed 9 Jan 13
A central Kaz i believe could unlock this dilemma either with a pass or his trickery. Failing that we do have a certain Spaniard who was employed for such a job.
Jonathan Mouette
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5:52am Wed 9 Jan 13
(It should also be borne in mind that Lewis Dunk is out of contract in the summer and the price the club can demand will continue to drop - time to get off the pot or consider the alternative, me thinks...)
Hovite
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1:07pm Wed 9 Jan 13
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:Just a Note.
If we get two more strikers in without letting any go, how will we keep them happy? CMS, Hoskins, Dobbie, Barnes + two more, for a team that rarely plays with more than one at a time (although in Barnes's case, he is more of a wide attacking midfielder now).
Final thoughts on Freeloaders (just using his current antagonistic name) as I will not be reading his posts from now on (I'm assuming it's a guy): he has now started to ingratiate himself with a poster by using the other person's name in almost every sentence - precisely the same way that 'another' contributor did recently, and 'another' some time before that. I can't remember which pseudonym he was using but the sentence structure, grammar, punctuation (ie no spaces after commas and full stops) and phrases (think for yourself) are absolutely identical. Oh, and he replied to himself under a different username, just to have someone agree with him. One person, several pseudonyms.
THIS is why other sites use real names - and to avoid hypocrisy, my real name is Ryan. Hello to most of you, goodbye to a few.
The no spaces after commas and full stops is just a style he uses under some of his pseudonyms. This is deliberately intended for his other styles to blend in and there are other names where he goes to the length of writing correctly.
Charismatic Andrew on the next thread is also Freeloaders, the taffster and I wouldn't be surprised if he is sussexram etc etc etc as well.
mr punch
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2:41pm Wed 9 Jan 13
hannover seagull
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6:59pm Wed 9 Jan 13
Jonathan Mouette wrote:Bit ironic really
Interesting overnight news... Blackburn have been told the Albion would require £2M compensation for Gus... Too much for the Rovers but chicken feed to some of the bigger clubs who may now be reviewing their options... and there is growing interest growing in the land of the Tractor Boy in Lewis Dunk who is, according to blogs up there, considered a giveaway at just £1M - I am inclined to agree with them. It should be added that Bristol City also showed interest and were politely told where to go... Fingers crossed that neither story has any legs...
(It should also be borne in mind that Lewis Dunk is out of contract in the summer and the price the club can demand will continue to drop - time to get off the pot or consider the alternative, me thinks...)
Chicken feed for the chicken farmers
UTA..............
Old Scrote of the Amex says...
10:44am Tue 8 Jan 13