Poyet considers plan B

Leonardo Ulloa, centre, is wanted by Granada as well as Albion

Leonardo Ulloa, centre, is wanted by Granada as well as Albion

First published in Albion by , Chief sports reporter

Albion are plotting a short-term solution to their search for a target man if they cannot land Leonardo Ulloa.

The Seagulls will look towards a loan option if their hopes of securing Ulloa on a long-term deal are dashed.

La Liga toilers Granada have entered the race for the services of Almeria’s 26-year-old Argentinian striker.

According to one report from Almeria, Ulloa would prefer to remain in Spain, although Granada also need him to get a Spanish passport as they have no vacancy in their squad for a non-EU passport holder.

Albion boss Gus Poyet told The Argus: “It is something that we cannot control. If he gets the passport, then he wants to stay there (in Spain) we cannot do anything about it.

“We have got other options but a different type of player, not that kind of striker. To buy there are not many and not many that we can afford.

“The other options are loans, short-term options. We were looking to try to get one (Ulloa) for the next three or four years.

“It’s the same with other positions we are looking at. If we cannot get one for long-term then you go for a loan. We are just trying to make sure that we get the right players.”

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9:42am Wed 9 Jan 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

If the Spanish contingent at the Albion cannot convince him then maybe it's better to drop the idea... We can probably do without another one looking for excuses to get out. It surely leaves Will Hoskins with the chance to prove a point whilst the search goes on...

Interesting overnight news... According to The Independent, Blackburn have been told the Albion would require at least £2M compensation for Gus... Too much for the Rovers but chicken feed to some of the bigger clubs who may now be reviewing their options... and there is growing interest growing in the land of the Tractor Boy in Lewis Dunk who is, according to blogs up there, considered a giveaway at just £1M - I am inclined to agree with them. It should be added that Bristol City also showed interest and were politely told where to go... Fingers crossed that neither of these stories has any legs...
If the Spanish contingent at the Albion cannot convince him then maybe it's better to drop the idea... We can probably do without another one looking for excuses to get out. It surely leaves Will Hoskins with the chance to prove a point whilst the search goes on... Interesting overnight news... According to The Independent, Blackburn have been told the Albion would require at least £2M compensation for Gus... Too much for the Rovers but chicken feed to some of the bigger clubs who may now be reviewing their options... and there is growing interest growing in the land of the Tractor Boy in Lewis Dunk who is, according to blogs up there, considered a giveaway at just £1M - I am inclined to agree with them. It should be added that Bristol City also showed interest and were politely told where to go... Fingers crossed that neither of these stories has any legs... Jonathan Mouette
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9:53am Wed 9 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

Perhaps ignorance is indeed bliss. I find myself disappointed reading this story. It looked like a done deal only a few days ago and I was looking forward to seeing this guy play. It now looks increasingly unlikely that he will be coming our way though.
To the loan system it is. Lets hope GP has a few names in mind that will arrive soon.
Uta
Perhaps ignorance is indeed bliss. I find myself disappointed reading this story. It looked like a done deal only a few days ago and I was looking forward to seeing this guy play. It now looks increasingly unlikely that he will be coming our way though. To the loan system it is. Lets hope GP has a few names in mind that will arrive soon. Uta SMF20
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9:56am Wed 9 Jan 13

the taffster says...

get 2million for poyet and spend it on a new striker.then a promotion push with a new manager.
get 2million for poyet and spend it on a new striker.then a promotion push with a new manager. the taffster
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9:57am Wed 9 Jan 13

BobbyZamoraIsALegend says...

Have seen the Gus link to Blackburn, it is in the transfer section on bbc sport as well, can't see him wanting to join them over us especially with the Venky's in charge!!!

Back to the post, a loan option may be the way to go if we cannot secure the long term target man (Ulloa etc), not sure who the options are now, but like Jonathan above i'd like to see Hoskins and CMS get a run of 3-4 games together and see if they can gel especially at home where we should ditch the one up top philosophy as it clearly does not work when teams come and park the bus and hit us on the break.
Have seen the Gus link to Blackburn, it is in the transfer section on bbc sport as well, can't see him wanting to join them over us especially with the Venky's in charge!!! Back to the post, a loan option may be the way to go if we cannot secure the long term target man (Ulloa etc), not sure who the options are now, but like Jonathan above i'd like to see Hoskins and CMS get a run of 3-4 games together and see if they can gel especially at home where we should ditch the one up top philosophy as it clearly does not work when teams come and park the bus and hit us on the break. BobbyZamoraIsALegend
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10:03am Wed 9 Jan 13

mark5 says...

same old,same old.................
..................! Would not read too much into any of it, until, an official announcerment is made. Alloa opportunity does not particularly excite me anyway! I would have thought that the Albion would expect more than 2 mill compensation if Gus goes, however, it is all nonsense anyway written by journalists filling their column quota. Believe nothing until it is done, talk is cheap!
same old,same old................. ..................! Would not read too much into any of it, until, an official announcerment is made. Alloa opportunity does not particularly excite me anyway! I would have thought that the Albion would expect more than 2 mill compensation if Gus goes, however, it is all nonsense anyway written by journalists filling their column quota. Believe nothing until it is done, talk is cheap! mark5
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10:07am Wed 9 Jan 13

pjwilk says...

I see Hull have spent another 3.5m on two players,they mean business with their promotion push.
I see Hull have spent another 3.5m on two players,they mean business with their promotion push. pjwilk
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10:15am Wed 9 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

pjwilk wrote:
I see Hull have spent another 3.5m on two players,they mean business with their promotion push.
And your point is?
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: I see Hull have spent another 3.5m on two players,they mean business with their promotion push.[/p][/quote]And your point is? dave from bexill
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10:16am Wed 9 Jan 13

Alan G Skinner says...

Why would any manager of any note join Blackburn now. The current custodians have turned that once important club into a national laughing stock, a joke, frankly its embarrassing to watch.
Why would any manager of any note join Blackburn now. The current custodians have turned that once important club into a national laughing stock, a joke, frankly its embarrassing to watch. Alan G Skinner
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10:22am Wed 9 Jan 13

Albion fan in London says...

Massive gamble to get this player in. Playing at second rate team in the segunda not exactly prolific this season... literally unheard of before this widow. He might be a target man but this is not Spanish football and he may find it tough to adjust. I thought GP wanted impact similar to Roberts at Reading last year. I know everyone is looking for the next Michu but is it not better to gamble on a lower league player of this style that we can afford. I hope I am wrong but can anyone see my point?
Massive gamble to get this player in. Playing at second rate team in the segunda not exactly prolific this season... literally unheard of before this widow. He might be a target man but this is not Spanish football and he may find it tough to adjust. I thought GP wanted impact similar to Roberts at Reading last year. I know everyone is looking for the next Michu but is it not better to gamble on a lower league player of this style that we can afford. I hope I am wrong but can anyone see my point? Albion fan in London
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10:30am Wed 9 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

Albion fan in London wrote:
Massive gamble to get this player in. Playing at second rate team in the segunda not exactly prolific this season... literally unheard of before this widow. He might be a target man but this is not Spanish football and he may find it tough to adjust. I thought GP wanted impact similar to Roberts at Reading last year. I know everyone is looking for the next Michu but is it not better to gamble on a lower league player of this style that we can afford. I hope I am wrong but can anyone see my point?
I can see your point, but we have to trust that Gus and the Albion scouting network always do their homework, thereby lessening the level of risk (I hope)
[quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Massive gamble to get this player in. Playing at second rate team in the segunda not exactly prolific this season... literally unheard of before this widow. He might be a target man but this is not Spanish football and he may find it tough to adjust. I thought GP wanted impact similar to Roberts at Reading last year. I know everyone is looking for the next Michu but is it not better to gamble on a lower league player of this style that we can afford. I hope I am wrong but can anyone see my point?[/p][/quote]I can see your point, but we have to trust that Gus and the Albion scouting network always do their homework, thereby lessening the level of risk (I hope) dave from bexill
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10:31am Wed 9 Jan 13

Gibseagull says...

Gus and strikers - what is it?!!
Gus and strikers - what is it?!! Gibseagull
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11:13am Wed 9 Jan 13

tug509 says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Massive gamble to get this player in. Playing at second rate team in the segunda not exactly prolific this season... literally unheard of before this widow. He might be a target man but this is not Spanish football and he may find it tough to adjust. I thought GP wanted impact similar to Roberts at Reading last year. I know everyone is looking for the next Michu but is it not better to gamble on a lower league player of this style that we can afford. I hope I am wrong but can anyone see my point?
I can see your point, but we have to trust that Gus and the Albion scouting network always do their homework, thereby lessening the level of risk (I hope)
I totally agree with you AFiL this is a gamble ,and one we cant afford to get wrong. While we are waiting for a striker that may or may not get a passport,and if he does may well decide to stay in Spain. All the clubs around us are picking of all the good strikers that are still available.

Sorry DfB,while i have faith in our scouting network,they still couldn`t stop Vicente from sitting on his behind ,do you really want to risk that again. If we get a striker in,whether its on a contract or loan,then we will be able to move forward for a top six place. If we wait for Ulloa to get a passport,and he chooses Spain over us,it will be too late to get in an alternative,and that will almost certainly prove to be the end of our challenge for this year. Personally i am not happy with someone we know nothing about holding our future!.

Even if we did get him,it would take too long for him to adjust,for him to make a difference. Imho we need to stay close to home and find our target man before January 31st,all too often do we end up looking at the last turkey in the shop window. UTA
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Massive gamble to get this player in. Playing at second rate team in the segunda not exactly prolific this season... literally unheard of before this widow. He might be a target man but this is not Spanish football and he may find it tough to adjust. I thought GP wanted impact similar to Roberts at Reading last year. I know everyone is looking for the next Michu but is it not better to gamble on a lower league player of this style that we can afford. I hope I am wrong but can anyone see my point?[/p][/quote]I can see your point, but we have to trust that Gus and the Albion scouting network always do their homework, thereby lessening the level of risk (I hope)[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you AFiL this is a gamble ,and one we cant afford to get wrong. While we are waiting for a striker that may or may not get a passport,and if he does may well decide to stay in Spain. All the clubs around us are picking of all the good strikers that are still available. Sorry DfB,while i have faith in our scouting network,they still couldn`t stop Vicente from sitting on his behind ,do you really want to risk that again. If we get a striker in,whether its on a contract or loan,then we will be able to move forward for a top six place. If we wait for Ulloa to get a passport,and he chooses Spain over us,it will be too late to get in an alternative,and that will almost certainly prove to be the end of our challenge for this year. Personally i am not happy with someone we know nothing about holding our future!. Even if we did get him,it would take too long for him to adjust,for him to make a difference. Imho we need to stay close to home and find our target man before January 31st,all too often do we end up looking at the last turkey in the shop window. UTA tug509
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11:19am Wed 9 Jan 13

JollyRoger says...

Wouldn't the fact that he prefers to stay in Spain have come out quite early on in any talks we had? Why has it only come to light now?

IMHO chasing this guy is not what we need to spend time and effort on - glad to see that we are considering 'plan B' now.
Wouldn't the fact that he prefers to stay in Spain have come out quite early on in any talks we had? Why has it only come to light now? IMHO chasing this guy is not what we need to spend time and effort on - glad to see that we are considering 'plan B' now. JollyRoger
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11:24am Wed 9 Jan 13

Yogi says...

Rumours about Dunk include C Palace too. I think he needs an Army assault course session or 2 to harden him up, then my feeling is he will improve a lot when physically fitter.

Also agree re striker as we should be making a signing ASAP, but Will should also get a good run playing with CMS until we sign someone.
Rumours about Dunk include C Palace too. I think he needs an Army assault course session or 2 to harden him up, then my feeling is he will improve a lot when physically fitter. Also agree re striker as we should be making a signing ASAP, but Will should also get a good run playing with CMS until we sign someone. Yogi
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11:30am Wed 9 Jan 13

the taffster says...

its a shame that one of the development squad cant fill the void of centre forward.its unlikely any of the youngsters will/should be offered new contracts with the club.we,re always looking outside the club for new players. what does that tell you about the current crop of reserves?
its a shame that one of the development squad cant fill the void of centre forward.its unlikely any of the youngsters will/should be offered new contracts with the club.we,re always looking outside the club for new players. what does that tell you about the current crop of reserves? the taffster
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11:32am Wed 9 Jan 13

northstand4 says...

I think I'm right to say Hull are still receiving 'parachute payments' this season and therefore have a bigger budget to work with than ourselves? It's obviously differcult for us to compete with them and many other teams in the division who have these payments/loaded owners! I think GP is doing the best he can with the resourses at his deposal and as other have previously said most of his signings have worked well. I am also hoping Hoskins is given game time in coming matches and do think he'll prove his worth. I think if we can beat Derby on Saturday and get a point or d up at Brum the lads can (with one or two additions) really push on and keep in contention for a playoff spot! In Gus we trust, UTA!
I think I'm right to say Hull are still receiving 'parachute payments' this season and therefore have a bigger budget to work with than ourselves? It's obviously differcult for us to compete with them and many other teams in the division who have these payments/loaded owners! I think GP is doing the best he can with the resourses at his deposal and as other have previously said most of his signings have worked well. I am also hoping Hoskins is given game time in coming matches and do think he'll prove his worth. I think if we can beat Derby on Saturday and get a point or d up at Brum the lads can (with one or two additions) really push on and keep in contention for a playoff spot! In Gus we trust, UTA! northstand4
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11:42am Wed 9 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

tug509 wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Massive gamble to get this player in. Playing at second rate team in the segunda not exactly prolific this season... literally unheard of before this widow. He might be a target man but this is not Spanish football and he may find it tough to adjust. I thought GP wanted impact similar to Roberts at Reading last year. I know everyone is looking for the next Michu but is it not better to gamble on a lower league player of this style that we can afford. I hope I am wrong but can anyone see my point?
I can see your point, but we have to trust that Gus and the Albion scouting network always do their homework, thereby lessening the level of risk (I hope)
I totally agree with you AFiL this is a gamble ,and one we cant afford to get wrong. While we are waiting for a striker that may or may not get a passport,and if he does may well decide to stay in Spain. All the clubs around us are picking of all the good strikers that are still available.

Sorry DfB,while i have faith in our scouting network,they still couldn`t stop Vicente from sitting on his behind ,do you really want to risk that again. If we get a striker in,whether its on a contract or loan,then we will be able to move forward for a top six place. If we wait for Ulloa to get a passport,and he chooses Spain over us,it will be too late to get in an alternative,and that will almost certainly prove to be the end of our challenge for this year. Personally i am not happy with someone we know nothing about holding our future!.

Even if we did get him,it would take too long for him to adjust,for him to make a difference. Imho we need to stay close to home and find our target man before January 31st,all too often do we end up looking at the last turkey in the shop window. UTA
Fair and sound points. Guess we'll have to continue to wait (and hope) to see where we are on 31st. Lots of names have been banded about on here over the last few weeks, including some that at this stage in our evolvement have been totally unrealistic, either because of our financial status or because premiership standard players don't want to drop a division, eg Austin and Graham.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Massive gamble to get this player in. Playing at second rate team in the segunda not exactly prolific this season... literally unheard of before this widow. He might be a target man but this is not Spanish football and he may find it tough to adjust. I thought GP wanted impact similar to Roberts at Reading last year. I know everyone is looking for the next Michu but is it not better to gamble on a lower league player of this style that we can afford. I hope I am wrong but can anyone see my point?[/p][/quote]I can see your point, but we have to trust that Gus and the Albion scouting network always do their homework, thereby lessening the level of risk (I hope)[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you AFiL this is a gamble ,and one we cant afford to get wrong. While we are waiting for a striker that may or may not get a passport,and if he does may well decide to stay in Spain. All the clubs around us are picking of all the good strikers that are still available. Sorry DfB,while i have faith in our scouting network,they still couldn`t stop Vicente from sitting on his behind ,do you really want to risk that again. If we get a striker in,whether its on a contract or loan,then we will be able to move forward for a top six place. If we wait for Ulloa to get a passport,and he chooses Spain over us,it will be too late to get in an alternative,and that will almost certainly prove to be the end of our challenge for this year. Personally i am not happy with someone we know nothing about holding our future!. Even if we did get him,it would take too long for him to adjust,for him to make a difference. Imho we need to stay close to home and find our target man before January 31st,all too often do we end up looking at the last turkey in the shop window. UTA[/p][/quote]Fair and sound points. Guess we'll have to continue to wait (and hope) to see where we are on 31st. Lots of names have been banded about on here over the last few weeks, including some that at this stage in our evolvement have been totally unrealistic, either because of our financial status or because premiership standard players don't want to drop a division, eg Austin and Graham. dave from bexill
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11:42am Wed 9 Jan 13

hannover seagull says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
Why would any manager of any note join Blackburn now. The current custodians have turned that once important club into a national laughing stock, a joke, frankly its embarrassing to watch.
Exactly

The Chicken farmers run the club from India and haven´t got a Vindaloo about football.
Gates have plummeted dramatically and they are more likely to be involved in a relegation scrap than the play-offs

Do feel sorry for the supporters though

UTA.................
.......
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: Why would any manager of any note join Blackburn now. The current custodians have turned that once important club into a national laughing stock, a joke, frankly its embarrassing to watch.[/p][/quote]Exactly The Chicken farmers run the club from India and haven´t got a Vindaloo about football. Gates have plummeted dramatically and they are more likely to be involved in a relegation scrap than the play-offs Do feel sorry for the supporters though UTA................. ....... hannover seagull
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11:44am Wed 9 Jan 13

russellsnr2 says...

Do we not have the solution in Jake Foster?
Seems it is OK to sign a player from a second div Spanish club before giving our own players a chance. At least JF knows what British football is all about. I don't get to games but from what I have read on here JF is a very good forward.
Do we not have the solution in Jake Foster? Seems it is OK to sign a player from a second div Spanish club before giving our own players a chance. At least JF knows what British football is all about. I don't get to games but from what I have read on here JF is a very good forward. russellsnr2
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11:44am Wed 9 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

pjwilk wrote:
I see Hull have spent another 3.5m on two players,they mean business with their promotion push.
Much, much easier when you're still receiving parachute payments.
[quote][p][bold]pjwilk[/bold] wrote: I see Hull have spent another 3.5m on two players,they mean business with their promotion push.[/p][/quote]Much, much easier when you're still receiving parachute payments. Old Scrote of the Amex
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11:50am Wed 9 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
Do we not have the solution in Jake Foster?
Seems it is OK to sign a player from a second div Spanish club before giving our own players a chance. At least JF knows what British football is all about. I don't get to games but from what I have read on here JF is a very good forward.
Wind up,right russellsnr2?
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Do we not have the solution in Jake Foster? Seems it is OK to sign a player from a second div Spanish club before giving our own players a chance. At least JF knows what British football is all about. I don't get to games but from what I have read on here JF is a very good forward.[/p][/quote]Wind up,right russellsnr2? dave from bexill
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11:53am Wed 9 Jan 13

Yogi says...

Gus won't go to Blackburn but Aston Villa??? Think he'll still be better off with us.
Gus won't go to Blackburn but Aston Villa??? Think he'll still be better off with us. Yogi
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11:55am Wed 9 Jan 13

tug509 says...

dave from bexill wrote:
tug509 wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Massive gamble to get this player in. Playing at second rate team in the segunda not exactly prolific this season... literally unheard of before this widow. He might be a target man but this is not Spanish football and he may find it tough to adjust. I thought GP wanted impact similar to Roberts at Reading last year. I know everyone is looking for the next Michu but is it not better to gamble on a lower league player of this style that we can afford. I hope I am wrong but can anyone see my point?
I can see your point, but we have to trust that Gus and the Albion scouting network always do their homework, thereby lessening the level of risk (I hope)
I totally agree with you AFiL this is a gamble ,and one we cant afford to get wrong. While we are waiting for a striker that may or may not get a passport,and if he does may well decide to stay in Spain. All the clubs around us are picking of all the good strikers that are still available.

Sorry DfB,while i have faith in our scouting network,they still couldn`t stop Vicente from sitting on his behind ,do you really want to risk that again. If we get a striker in,whether its on a contract or loan,then we will be able to move forward for a top six place. If we wait for Ulloa to get a passport,and he chooses Spain over us,it will be too late to get in an alternative,and that will almost certainly prove to be the end of our challenge for this year. Personally i am not happy with someone we know nothing about holding our future!.

Even if we did get him,it would take too long for him to adjust,for him to make a difference. Imho we need to stay close to home and find our target man before January 31st,all too often do we end up looking at the last turkey in the shop window. UTA
Fair and sound points. Guess we'll have to continue to wait (and hope) to see where we are on 31st. Lots of names have been banded about on here over the last few weeks, including some that at this stage in our evolvement have been totally unrealistic, either because of our financial status or because premiership standard players don't want to drop a division, eg Austin and Graham.
Agreed, one of the rumour sites has us giving Marvin Emnes a medical today!. UTA
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Massive gamble to get this player in. Playing at second rate team in the segunda not exactly prolific this season... literally unheard of before this widow. He might be a target man but this is not Spanish football and he may find it tough to adjust. I thought GP wanted impact similar to Roberts at Reading last year. I know everyone is looking for the next Michu but is it not better to gamble on a lower league player of this style that we can afford. I hope I am wrong but can anyone see my point?[/p][/quote]I can see your point, but we have to trust that Gus and the Albion scouting network always do their homework, thereby lessening the level of risk (I hope)[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you AFiL this is a gamble ,and one we cant afford to get wrong. While we are waiting for a striker that may or may not get a passport,and if he does may well decide to stay in Spain. All the clubs around us are picking of all the good strikers that are still available. Sorry DfB,while i have faith in our scouting network,they still couldn`t stop Vicente from sitting on his behind ,do you really want to risk that again. If we get a striker in,whether its on a contract or loan,then we will be able to move forward for a top six place. If we wait for Ulloa to get a passport,and he chooses Spain over us,it will be too late to get in an alternative,and that will almost certainly prove to be the end of our challenge for this year. Personally i am not happy with someone we know nothing about holding our future!. Even if we did get him,it would take too long for him to adjust,for him to make a difference. Imho we need to stay close to home and find our target man before January 31st,all too often do we end up looking at the last turkey in the shop window. UTA[/p][/quote]Fair and sound points. Guess we'll have to continue to wait (and hope) to see where we are on 31st. Lots of names have been banded about on here over the last few weeks, including some that at this stage in our evolvement have been totally unrealistic, either because of our financial status or because premiership standard players don't want to drop a division, eg Austin and Graham.[/p][/quote]Agreed, one of the rumour sites has us giving Marvin Emnes a medical today!. UTA tug509
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12:16pm Wed 9 Jan 13

ballantrrae says...

tug509 wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Massive gamble to get this player in. Playing at second rate team in the segunda not exactly prolific this season... literally unheard of before this widow. He might be a target man but this is not Spanish football and he may find it tough to adjust. I thought GP wanted impact similar to Roberts at Reading last year. I know everyone is looking for the next Michu but is it not better to gamble on a lower league player of this style that we can afford. I hope I am wrong but can anyone see my point?
I can see your point, but we have to trust that Gus and the Albion scouting network always do their homework, thereby lessening the level of risk (I hope)
I totally agree with you AFiL this is a gamble ,and one we cant afford to get wrong. While we are waiting for a striker that may or may not get a passport,and if he does may well decide to stay in Spain. All the clubs around us are picking of all the good strikers that are still available.

Sorry DfB,while i have faith in our scouting network,they still couldn`t stop Vicente from sitting on his behind ,do you really want to risk that again. If we get a striker in,whether its on a contract or loan,then we will be able to move forward for a top six place. If we wait for Ulloa to get a passport,and he chooses Spain over us,it will be too late to get in an alternative,and that will almost certainly prove to be the end of our challenge for this year. Personally i am not happy with someone we know nothing about holding our future!.

Even if we did get him,it would take too long for him to adjust,for him to make a difference. Imho we need to stay close to home and find our target man before January 31st,all too often do we end up looking at the last turkey in the shop window. UTA
I agree with you Tug509 and Albion fan in London. It is exactly what I was saying on a couple of threads yesterday.
Interesting to note that Poyet is looking to strengthen the team in other positions as well (quote 'it is the same with the other positions we are looking at as well...')
Not sure it is good news that we are playing the rescheduled Blackburn away game on the Tuesday before our 4th Round FA Cup match.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Massive gamble to get this player in. Playing at second rate team in the segunda not exactly prolific this season... literally unheard of before this widow. He might be a target man but this is not Spanish football and he may find it tough to adjust. I thought GP wanted impact similar to Roberts at Reading last year. I know everyone is looking for the next Michu but is it not better to gamble on a lower league player of this style that we can afford. I hope I am wrong but can anyone see my point?[/p][/quote]I can see your point, but we have to trust that Gus and the Albion scouting network always do their homework, thereby lessening the level of risk (I hope)[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you AFiL this is a gamble ,and one we cant afford to get wrong. While we are waiting for a striker that may or may not get a passport,and if he does may well decide to stay in Spain. All the clubs around us are picking of all the good strikers that are still available. Sorry DfB,while i have faith in our scouting network,they still couldn`t stop Vicente from sitting on his behind ,do you really want to risk that again. If we get a striker in,whether its on a contract or loan,then we will be able to move forward for a top six place. If we wait for Ulloa to get a passport,and he chooses Spain over us,it will be too late to get in an alternative,and that will almost certainly prove to be the end of our challenge for this year. Personally i am not happy with someone we know nothing about holding our future!. Even if we did get him,it would take too long for him to adjust,for him to make a difference. Imho we need to stay close to home and find our target man before January 31st,all too often do we end up looking at the last turkey in the shop window. UTA[/p][/quote]I agree with you Tug509 and Albion fan in London. It is exactly what I was saying on a couple of threads yesterday. Interesting to note that Poyet is looking to strengthen the team in other positions as well (quote 'it is the same with the other positions we are looking at as well...') Not sure it is good news that we are playing the rescheduled Blackburn away game on the Tuesday before our 4th Round FA Cup match. ballantrrae
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12:22pm Wed 9 Jan 13

sussexram40 says...

Albion boss Gus Poyet told The Argus: “It is something that we cannot control. If he gets the passport, then he wants to stay there (in Spain) we cannot do anything about it."
So why is GP wasting time onn this?
As I keep saying, get out the cheque book fast and sign an English centre forward or we are doomed.
Albion boss Gus Poyet told The Argus: “It is something that we cannot control. If he gets the passport, then he wants to stay there (in Spain) we cannot do anything about it." So why is GP wasting time onn this? As I keep saying, get out the cheque book fast and sign an English centre forward or we are doomed. sussexram40
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12:31pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Hovite says...

ballantrrae wrote:
tug509 wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Albion fan in London wrote:
Massive gamble to get this player in. Playing at second rate team in the segunda not exactly prolific this season... literally unheard of before this widow. He might be a target man but this is not Spanish football and he may find it tough to adjust. I thought GP wanted impact similar to Roberts at Reading last year. I know everyone is looking for the next Michu but is it not better to gamble on a lower league player of this style that we can afford. I hope I am wrong but can anyone see my point?
I can see your point, but we have to trust that Gus and the Albion scouting network always do their homework, thereby lessening the level of risk (I hope)
I totally agree with you AFiL this is a gamble ,and one we cant afford to get wrong. While we are waiting for a striker that may or may not get a passport,and if he does may well decide to stay in Spain. All the clubs around us are picking of all the good strikers that are still available.

Sorry DfB,while i have faith in our scouting network,they still couldn`t stop Vicente from sitting on his behind ,do you really want to risk that again. If we get a striker in,whether its on a contract or loan,then we will be able to move forward for a top six place. If we wait for Ulloa to get a passport,and he chooses Spain over us,it will be too late to get in an alternative,and that will almost certainly prove to be the end of our challenge for this year. Personally i am not happy with someone we know nothing about holding our future!.

Even if we did get him,it would take too long for him to adjust,for him to make a difference. Imho we need to stay close to home and find our target man before January 31st,all too often do we end up looking at the last turkey in the shop window. UTA
I agree with you Tug509 and Albion fan in London. It is exactly what I was saying on a couple of threads yesterday.
Interesting to note that Poyet is looking to strengthen the team in other positions as well (quote 'it is the same with the other positions we are looking at as well...')
Not sure it is good news that we are playing the rescheduled Blackburn away game on the Tuesday before our 4th Round FA Cup match.
It's not too bad about the Blackburn game ballantrrae, it would be worse if it was the Tuesday after.

The Arsenal game is not one we have to win and the FA Cup shouldn't be taken seriously this season because there is too much at stake in the league. Still want to beat them, but we will more than likely get smashed in this one.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion fan in London[/bold] wrote: Massive gamble to get this player in. Playing at second rate team in the segunda not exactly prolific this season... literally unheard of before this widow. He might be a target man but this is not Spanish football and he may find it tough to adjust. I thought GP wanted impact similar to Roberts at Reading last year. I know everyone is looking for the next Michu but is it not better to gamble on a lower league player of this style that we can afford. I hope I am wrong but can anyone see my point?[/p][/quote]I can see your point, but we have to trust that Gus and the Albion scouting network always do their homework, thereby lessening the level of risk (I hope)[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you AFiL this is a gamble ,and one we cant afford to get wrong. While we are waiting for a striker that may or may not get a passport,and if he does may well decide to stay in Spain. All the clubs around us are picking of all the good strikers that are still available. Sorry DfB,while i have faith in our scouting network,they still couldn`t stop Vicente from sitting on his behind ,do you really want to risk that again. If we get a striker in,whether its on a contract or loan,then we will be able to move forward for a top six place. If we wait for Ulloa to get a passport,and he chooses Spain over us,it will be too late to get in an alternative,and that will almost certainly prove to be the end of our challenge for this year. Personally i am not happy with someone we know nothing about holding our future!. Even if we did get him,it would take too long for him to adjust,for him to make a difference. Imho we need to stay close to home and find our target man before January 31st,all too often do we end up looking at the last turkey in the shop window. UTA[/p][/quote]I agree with you Tug509 and Albion fan in London. It is exactly what I was saying on a couple of threads yesterday. Interesting to note that Poyet is looking to strengthen the team in other positions as well (quote 'it is the same with the other positions we are looking at as well...') Not sure it is good news that we are playing the rescheduled Blackburn away game on the Tuesday before our 4th Round FA Cup match.[/p][/quote]It's not too bad about the Blackburn game ballantrrae, it would be worse if it was the Tuesday after. The Arsenal game is not one we have to win and the FA Cup shouldn't be taken seriously this season because there is too much at stake in the league. Still want to beat them, but we will more than likely get smashed in this one. Hovite
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12:35pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Albion23 says...

How much longer are we going to get all this striker rubbish. 1stly G.P knew we needed a striker. So if Ulloa was having passport problems as in the summer, then drop it & keep looking . If we dont get a descent player up front & go full on for a play off spot we will be robbing ourselves cause we are good enough!!. U.T.A.
How much longer are we going to get all this striker rubbish. 1stly G.P knew we needed a striker. So if Ulloa was having passport problems as in the summer, then drop it & keep looking . If we dont get a descent player up front & go full on for a play off spot we will be robbing ourselves cause we are good enough!!. U.T.A. Albion23
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12:37pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Guernsey c gull says...

In bought 3 tickets for the home game v Blackburn for the 26 th,does anybody know what happens now, are they still valid for the cup game ?
In bought 3 tickets for the home game v Blackburn for the 26 th,does anybody know what happens now, are they still valid for the cup game ? Guernsey c gull
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12:41pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Charismatic Andrew says...

So just to be clear .... If Ulloa gets the Spanish passport, then he wants to stay in Spain, and if he doesn't get the passport then he's errrrrr.... staying in Spain......

If I was a betting man I'd take a punt that he's staying in Spain!!
So just to be clear .... If Ulloa gets the Spanish passport, then he wants to stay in Spain, and if he doesn't get the passport then he's errrrrr.... staying in Spain...... If I was a betting man I'd take a punt that he's staying in Spain!! Charismatic Andrew
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12:41pm Wed 9 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

sussexram40 wrote:
Albion boss Gus Poyet told The Argus: “It is something that we cannot control. If he gets the passport, then he wants to stay there (in Spain) we cannot do anything about it."
So why is GP wasting time onn this?
As I keep saying, get out the cheque book fast and sign an English centre forward or we are doomed.
Ok sussexram,who do you fancy that's in our budget?
[quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Albion boss Gus Poyet told The Argus: “It is something that we cannot control. If he gets the passport, then he wants to stay there (in Spain) we cannot do anything about it." So why is GP wasting time onn this? As I keep saying, get out the cheque book fast and sign an English centre forward or we are doomed.[/p][/quote]Ok sussexram,who do you fancy that's in our budget? dave from bexill
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1:12pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Charismatic Andrew says...

hannover seagull wrote:
Alan G Skinner wrote:
Why would any manager of any note join Blackburn now. The current custodians have turned that once important club into a national laughing stock, a joke, frankly its embarrassing to watch.
Exactly

The Chicken farmers run the club from India and haven´t got a Vindaloo about football.
Gates have plummeted dramatically and they are more likely to be involved in a relegation scrap than the play-offs

Do feel sorry for the supporters though

UTA.................

.......
There's no way Gus would go to Blackburn even if the club would be willing to let him go. They'll struggle to get anyone decent to manage them.

Jordan Rhodes is reportedly on £42k a week and Danny Murphy is on even more. They've gambled everything on getting promoted this season and if they don't (which they won't) there will be financial Armageddon......
[quote][p][bold]hannover seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: Why would any manager of any note join Blackburn now. The current custodians have turned that once important club into a national laughing stock, a joke, frankly its embarrassing to watch.[/p][/quote]Exactly The Chicken farmers run the club from India and haven´t got a Vindaloo about football. Gates have plummeted dramatically and they are more likely to be involved in a relegation scrap than the play-offs Do feel sorry for the supporters though UTA................. .......[/p][/quote]There's no way Gus would go to Blackburn even if the club would be willing to let him go. They'll struggle to get anyone decent to manage them. Jordan Rhodes is reportedly on £42k a week and Danny Murphy is on even more. They've gambled everything on getting promoted this season and if they don't (which they won't) there will be financial Armageddon...... Charismatic Andrew
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1:14pm Wed 9 Jan 13

wenners says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
Do we not have the solution in Jake Foster?
Seems it is OK to sign a player from a second div Spanish club before giving our own players a chance. At least JF knows what British football is all about. I don't get to games but from what I have read on here JF is a very good forward.
Jake F C is a midfielder ? Maybe that's why he's never played as a striker for us !!
Find put about our squad !
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Do we not have the solution in Jake Foster? Seems it is OK to sign a player from a second div Spanish club before giving our own players a chance. At least JF knows what British football is all about. I don't get to games but from what I have read on here JF is a very good forward.[/p][/quote]Jake F C is a midfielder ? Maybe that's why he's never played as a striker for us !! Find put about our squad ! wenners
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1:17pm Wed 9 Jan 13

wenners says...

Guernsey c gull wrote:
In bought 3 tickets for the home game v Blackburn for the 26 th,does anybody know what happens now, are they still valid for the cup game ?
Blackburn is a league match . Arsenal or Swansea is an FA Cup match .
Blackburn tickets can be used for the rearranged fixture.
You will have to buy tickets for the FA Cup match .
[quote][p][bold]Guernsey c gull[/bold] wrote: In bought 3 tickets for the home game v Blackburn for the 26 th,does anybody know what happens now, are they still valid for the cup game ?[/p][/quote]Blackburn is a league match . Arsenal or Swansea is an FA Cup match . Blackburn tickets can be used for the rearranged fixture. You will have to buy tickets for the FA Cup match . wenners
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1:20pm Wed 9 Jan 13

pauldanno says...

I don't believe that the Club has either the budget or ability within the present wage structure to purchase anyone of the quality that some contributors on here expect. Prolific Premiership strikers are simply way too expensive. (Even ex Prem, such as Drogba) Therefore there will be an element of risk in any potential signing because it will need to be someone not yet proven in the Championship. This is where the Management and Scouting staff earn their money.
I don't believe that the Club has either the budget or ability within the present wage structure to purchase anyone of the quality that some contributors on here expect. Prolific Premiership strikers are simply way too expensive. (Even ex Prem, such as Drogba) Therefore there will be an element of risk in any potential signing because it will need to be someone not yet proven in the Championship. This is where the Management and Scouting staff earn their money. pauldanno
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1:21pm Wed 9 Jan 13

wenners says...

dave from bexill wrote:
sussexram40 wrote:
Albion boss Gus Poyet told The Argus: “It is something that we cannot control. If he gets the passport, then he wants to stay there (in Spain) we cannot do anything about it."
So why is GP wasting time onn this?
As I keep saying, get out the cheque book fast and sign an English centre forward or we are doomed.
Ok sussexram,who do you fancy that's in our budget?
Doomed????
You mean we may have another season in the Championship.... Possibly the best league in the world ?
Explain your definition of doomed ! .... And who you think we can afford in the January transfer window ?
Any decent striker isn't going to be allowed to leave their current club .
Wish people here would get real... Remember where we were two years ago .... And enjoy what is happening at this club of ours !
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sussexram40[/bold] wrote: Albion boss Gus Poyet told The Argus: “It is something that we cannot control. If he gets the passport, then he wants to stay there (in Spain) we cannot do anything about it." So why is GP wasting time onn this? As I keep saying, get out the cheque book fast and sign an English centre forward or we are doomed.[/p][/quote]Ok sussexram,who do you fancy that's in our budget?[/p][/quote]Doomed???? You mean we may have another season in the Championship.... Possibly the best league in the world ? Explain your definition of doomed ! .... And who you think we can afford in the January transfer window ? Any decent striker isn't going to be allowed to leave their current club . Wish people here would get real... Remember where we were two years ago .... And enjoy what is happening at this club of ours ! wenners
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1:23pm Wed 9 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Whilst I am not surprised that the chicken famers in India wanted Poyet, I am surprised at the poultry compensation asked for, 2 million, that's chicken feed.

Ulloa, will he won't he, I am losing interest in this story, it osounds like someone is trying to create an auction for his services.

Borrow a striker, yep this has been my long term prefered option, borrow a couple of other players too. A decent center back and a strong attacking midfield guy, one that can head the ball as well as play quality thru balls.
Whilst I am not surprised that the chicken famers in India wanted Poyet, I am surprised at the poultry compensation asked for, 2 million, that's chicken feed. Ulloa, will he won't he, I am losing interest in this story, it osounds like someone is trying to create an auction for his services. Borrow a striker, yep this has been my long term prefered option, borrow a couple of other players too. A decent center back and a strong attacking midfield guy, one that can head the ball as well as play quality thru balls. VegasSeagull
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1:28pm Wed 9 Jan 13

wenners says...

pauldanno wrote:
I don't believe that the Club has either the budget or ability within the present wage structure to purchase anyone of the quality that some contributors on here expect. Prolific Premiership strikers are simply way too expensive. (Even ex Prem, such as Drogba) Therefore there will be an element of risk in any potential signing because it will need to be someone not yet proven in the Championship. This is where the Management and Scouting staff earn their money.
Agree. Trouble is , most people here and on NSC , are living in cloud cuckoo land , regarding the striker issue. It would be great if Will Hoskins now does the business.... But he's not the 'big target man' that we are after . They are very expensive .... And until we get promotion and the £90mill that goes with it, we ain't going to get that man !
We are caught between a rock and a hard place ... And not a lot we can do about it!
Let's all smell the coffee
[quote][p][bold]pauldanno[/bold] wrote: I don't believe that the Club has either the budget or ability within the present wage structure to purchase anyone of the quality that some contributors on here expect. Prolific Premiership strikers are simply way too expensive. (Even ex Prem, such as Drogba) Therefore there will be an element of risk in any potential signing because it will need to be someone not yet proven in the Championship. This is where the Management and Scouting staff earn their money.[/p][/quote]Agree. Trouble is , most people here and on NSC , are living in cloud cuckoo land , regarding the striker issue. It would be great if Will Hoskins now does the business.... But he's not the 'big target man' that we are after . They are very expensive .... And until we get promotion and the £90mill that goes with it, we ain't going to get that man ! We are caught between a rock and a hard place ... And not a lot we can do about it! Let's all smell the coffee wenners
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1:31pm Wed 9 Jan 13

wenners says...

wenners wrote:
pauldanno wrote:
I don't believe that the Club has either the budget or ability within the present wage structure to purchase anyone of the quality that some contributors on here expect. Prolific Premiership strikers are simply way too expensive. (Even ex Prem, such as Drogba) Therefore there will be an element of risk in any potential signing because it will need to be someone not yet proven in the Championship. This is where the Management and Scouting staff earn their money.
Agree. Trouble is , most people here and on NSC , are living in cloud cuckoo land , regarding the striker issue. It would be great if Will Hoskins now does the business.... But he's not the 'big target man' that we are after . They are very expensive .... And until we get promotion and the £90mill that goes with it, we ain't going to get that man !
We are caught between a rock and a hard place ... And not a lot we can do about it!
Let's all smell the coffee
Oh yes .... Why mention Drogba on here ?..... He's on £200,000 a week in China !!
Why does anyone mention players like him, on this forum ?
[quote][p][bold]wenners[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pauldanno[/bold] wrote: I don't believe that the Club has either the budget or ability within the present wage structure to purchase anyone of the quality that some contributors on here expect. Prolific Premiership strikers are simply way too expensive. (Even ex Prem, such as Drogba) Therefore there will be an element of risk in any potential signing because it will need to be someone not yet proven in the Championship. This is where the Management and Scouting staff earn their money.[/p][/quote]Agree. Trouble is , most people here and on NSC , are living in cloud cuckoo land , regarding the striker issue. It would be great if Will Hoskins now does the business.... But he's not the 'big target man' that we are after . They are very expensive .... And until we get promotion and the £90mill that goes with it, we ain't going to get that man ! We are caught between a rock and a hard place ... And not a lot we can do about it! Let's all smell the coffee[/p][/quote]Oh yes .... Why mention Drogba on here ?..... He's on £200,000 a week in China !! Why does anyone mention players like him, on this forum ? wenners
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1:53pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Good Ol' Hemz by the Sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Whilst I am not surprised that the chicken famers in India wanted Poyet, I am surprised at the poultry compensation asked for, 2 million, that's chicken feed.

Ulloa, will he won't he, I am losing interest in this story, it osounds like someone is trying to create an auction for his services.

Borrow a striker, yep this has been my long term prefered option, borrow a couple of other players too. A decent center back and a strong attacking midfield guy, one that can head the ball as well as play quality thru balls.
That's eggsactly the sort of post I like!

Think it's a good plan B, if we do end up promoted this or next year would whoever signed now be good enough at that level? Sides like Watford are proving the right loan signings can be beneficial in the short term but is another question in itself.

Who would we be able to get? Would they still have to be unproven at this level?
Please don't let us end up with another Paynter / Vokes....
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Whilst I am not surprised that the chicken famers in India wanted Poyet, I am surprised at the poultry compensation asked for, 2 million, that's chicken feed. Ulloa, will he won't he, I am losing interest in this story, it osounds like someone is trying to create an auction for his services. Borrow a striker, yep this has been my long term prefered option, borrow a couple of other players too. A decent center back and a strong attacking midfield guy, one that can head the ball as well as play quality thru balls.[/p][/quote]That's eggsactly the sort of post I like! Think it's a good plan B, if we do end up promoted this or next year would whoever signed now be good enough at that level? Sides like Watford are proving the right loan signings can be beneficial in the short term but is another question in itself. Who would we be able to get? Would they still have to be unproven at this level? Please don't let us end up with another Paynter / Vokes.... Good Ol' Hemz by the Sea
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2:00pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Seagullkid says...

one day gus says if we don't make playoffs we only have ourselves to blame, now he is saying we are going to have a plan b?
Does he know what he is doing at all?
God help us if this carrys on because of a couple of wins everyone thinks we are going up again,so shut up and get on with it if not move on and get another man in who can, because maybe it's that the strikers who would like to come to this club would do if gus was not here!
one day gus says if we don't make playoffs we only have ourselves to blame, now he is saying we are going to have a plan b? Does he know what he is doing at all? God help us if this carrys on because of a couple of wins everyone thinks we are going up again,so shut up and get on with it if not move on and get another man in who can, because maybe it's that the strikers who would like to come to this club would do if gus was not here! Seagullkid
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2:03pm Wed 9 Jan 13

wenners says...

Seagullkid wrote:
one day gus says if we don't make playoffs we only have ourselves to blame, now he is saying we are going to have a plan b?
Does he know what he is doing at all?
God help us if this carrys on because of a couple of wins everyone thinks we are going up again,so shut up and get on with it if not move on and get another man in who can, because maybe it's that the strikers who would like to come to this club would do if gus was not here!
Cretin !
[quote][p][bold]Seagullkid[/bold] wrote: one day gus says if we don't make playoffs we only have ourselves to blame, now he is saying we are going to have a plan b? Does he know what he is doing at all? God help us if this carrys on because of a couple of wins everyone thinks we are going up again,so shut up and get on with it if not move on and get another man in who can, because maybe it's that the strikers who would like to come to this club would do if gus was not here![/p][/quote]Cretin ! wenners
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2:03pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Perseus says...

Ulloa: a longer term project as it will take time for him to settle. I think we are OK for players except we have trouble putting the ball in the onion bag against a deep defence. Guile or brute force combined with more clinical finishing needed. Williamson in the Newcastle defence hardly gave Macca a kick. The forward still has to be as quick as the other forwards to get regular games. Does this new forward work hard enough off the ball? I am not so sure Glenn Murray did?
Ulloa: a longer term project as it will take time for him to settle. I think we are OK for players except we have trouble putting the ball in the onion bag against a deep defence. Guile or brute force combined with more clinical finishing needed. Williamson in the Newcastle defence hardly gave Macca a kick. The forward still has to be as quick as the other forwards to get regular games. Does this new forward work hard enough off the ball? I am not so sure Glenn Murray did? Perseus
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2:13pm Wed 9 Jan 13

toe nail says...

I didn't realise that plan b could play football. I knew he was a actor,musician and director. Would like to see the striker in before the cup game, and would really prefer we didn't go down the short term loan deal route but if it helps us push for the play offs then it must be done. In Gus we trust, up the albion!
I didn't realise that plan b could play football. I knew he was a actor,musician and director. Would like to see the striker in before the cup game, and would really prefer we didn't go down the short term loan deal route but if it helps us push for the play offs then it must be done. In Gus we trust, up the albion! toe nail
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2:13pm Wed 9 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Good OL' Hemz I think we need to hatch a new plan, Ulloa seems to have flown the coop.

A tried and tested striker at our level seems to be what many are calling for.
This call would instantly exclude any player from the lower divisions in england and all players currently in the second tiers of the european countries.

To take such a stand would mean that we only buy from our championship rivals, the prem division or the top tiers clubs in europe or beyond.

That approach kinda cuts down our options of who to buy, don't you think?

Why would one of competitors agree to sell us their proven striker?
How can we afford a proven striker from the prem?

I would prefer that we borrow players form the prem, but even that will cost money. I liken that idea to renting a house rather than trying to buy it, you spend a whole lot of money and own nothing at the end of it.

I would prefer that we borrow now rather than spend money we haven't got, and Bloom wouldn't do that anyway. Spend maybe 2 million on loan deals, we have that money, and write it off as part of the costs involved in a run for the top.
If we do that and it works great, if it doesn't, well it's the rent or buy the house situation.
Good OL' Hemz I think we need to hatch a new plan, Ulloa seems to have flown the coop. A tried and tested striker at our level seems to be what many are calling for. This call would instantly exclude any player from the lower divisions in england and all players currently in the second tiers of the european countries. To take such a stand would mean that we only buy from our championship rivals, the prem division or the top tiers clubs in europe or beyond. That approach kinda cuts down our options of who to buy, don't you think? Why would one of competitors agree to sell us their proven striker? How can we afford a proven striker from the prem? I would prefer that we borrow players form the prem, but even that will cost money. I liken that idea to renting a house rather than trying to buy it, you spend a whole lot of money and own nothing at the end of it. I would prefer that we borrow now rather than spend money we haven't got, and Bloom wouldn't do that anyway. Spend maybe 2 million on loan deals, we have that money, and write it off as part of the costs involved in a run for the top. If we do that and it works great, if it doesn't, well it's the rent or buy the house situation. VegasSeagull
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2:38pm Wed 9 Jan 13

mr punch says...

The Gus/Blackburn story is dangly spherical things! He won't go to that place and I personally feel no sorrow for Blackburn as, imo, they are the club that ruined football in this country in the first place! Ridiculous transfer fees, ridiculous wages and going down.
The Gus/Blackburn story is dangly spherical things! He won't go to that place and I personally feel no sorrow for Blackburn as, imo, they are the club that ruined football in this country in the first place! Ridiculous transfer fees, ridiculous wages and going down. mr punch
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2:39pm Wed 9 Jan 13

mr punch says...

Also Gus needs a gameplan B as well as a buying otion plan B
Also Gus needs a gameplan B as well as a buying otion plan B mr punch
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2:41pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Howie2 says...

After what Gus said about Jason Roberts why is he not a possibility for us ? He can no longer get into the Reading team and I doubt whether Reading would require a fee for him. Whether we could afford his wages for the rest of the season is another matter.
After what Gus said about Jason Roberts why is he not a possibility for us ? He can no longer get into the Reading team and I doubt whether Reading would require a fee for him. Whether we could afford his wages for the rest of the season is another matter. Howie2
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2:46pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Gibseagull says...

This is Groundhog Day and while we appear to have been putting all our eggs in one basket, or at least until plan b emerged today, our competitors have been snapping up strikers as if there were no tomorrow!! I'm not sure whether this matters, its a bit like musical chairs with the same faces re-circulating around these clubs and I assume Gus didn't fancy any of them or their wage demands. Whilst a bit of height and "presence" in the opposition's penalty area would no doubt be helpful there have been signs recently that we're playing it more to feet in danger areas and that has to be the way to go because most Championship defenders prefer the ball coming at them through the air. So, Hoskins/CMS/Dobbie (yes, Dobbie) may just be ok.
This is Groundhog Day and while we appear to have been putting all our eggs in one basket, or at least until plan b emerged today, our competitors have been snapping up strikers as if there were no tomorrow!! I'm not sure whether this matters, its a bit like musical chairs with the same faces re-circulating around these clubs and I assume Gus didn't fancy any of them or their wage demands. Whilst a bit of height and "presence" in the opposition's penalty area would no doubt be helpful there have been signs recently that we're playing it more to feet in danger areas and that has to be the way to go because most Championship defenders prefer the ball coming at them through the air. So, Hoskins/CMS/Dobbie (yes, Dobbie) may just be ok. Gibseagull
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3:08pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Tommy11 says...

This is pathetic news. Really pathetic. We have needed a Target Man since the start of the season and Gus for the love of him can not seem to get. Other than Ulloa, there is no one else we can afford?? erm.. yes there is...

Becuase we can not land Ulloa, we are now not bothering!!! what a joke, why have we wasted our time in this man - there are loads of players available and within our budget. Gus is just too fussy...

Before all you 'do gooders' have a go at my negativity you must remembr that we have needed this for so long....Yes we beat Newcastle, it was great and I loved it. However, just because we beat them people have got so carrid away again - saying how great we are and basically praising Hoskins as the new Jesus Christ. People.. Hoskins is not the answer, he never will be. We need a striker, simple as that - we can not continue in the same way.
This is pathetic news. Really pathetic. We have needed a Target Man since the start of the season and Gus for the love of him can not seem to get. Other than Ulloa, there is no one else we can afford?? erm.. yes there is... Becuase we can not land Ulloa, we are now not bothering!!! what a joke, why have we wasted our time in this man - there are loads of players available and within our budget. Gus is just too fussy... Before all you 'do gooders' have a go at my negativity you must remembr that we have needed this for so long....Yes we beat Newcastle, it was great and I loved it. However, just because we beat them people have got so carrid away again - saying how great we are and basically praising Hoskins as the new Jesus Christ. People.. Hoskins is not the answer, he never will be. We need a striker, simple as that - we can not continue in the same way. Tommy11
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3:24pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Tommy11 wrote:
This is pathetic news. Really pathetic. We have needed a Target Man since the start of the season and Gus for the love of him can not seem to get. Other than Ulloa, there is no one else we can afford?? erm.. yes there is...

Becuase we can not land Ulloa, we are now not bothering!!! what a joke, why have we wasted our time in this man - there are loads of players available and within our budget. Gus is just too fussy...

Before all you 'do gooders' have a go at my negativity you must remembr that we have needed this for so long....Yes we beat Newcastle, it was great and I loved it. However, just because we beat them people have got so carrid away again - saying how great we are and basically praising Hoskins as the new Jesus Christ. People.. Hoskins is not the answer, he never will be. We need a striker, simple as that - we can not continue in the same way.
Yep, LOADS of players available and within our budget. But just how many of them could improve our team? All of a sudden the number is FAR smaller.
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: This is pathetic news. Really pathetic. We have needed a Target Man since the start of the season and Gus for the love of him can not seem to get. Other than Ulloa, there is no one else we can afford?? erm.. yes there is... Becuase we can not land Ulloa, we are now not bothering!!! what a joke, why have we wasted our time in this man - there are loads of players available and within our budget. Gus is just too fussy... Before all you 'do gooders' have a go at my negativity you must remembr that we have needed this for so long....Yes we beat Newcastle, it was great and I loved it. However, just because we beat them people have got so carrid away again - saying how great we are and basically praising Hoskins as the new Jesus Christ. People.. Hoskins is not the answer, he never will be. We need a striker, simple as that - we can not continue in the same way.[/p][/quote]Yep, LOADS of players available and within our budget. But just how many of them could improve our team? All of a sudden the number is FAR smaller. Old Scrote of the Amex
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3:37pm Wed 9 Jan 13

wenners says...

Tommy11 wrote:
This is pathetic news. Really pathetic. We have needed a Target Man since the start of the season and Gus for the love of him can not seem to get. Other than Ulloa, there is no one else we can afford?? erm.. yes there is...

Becuase we can not land Ulloa, we are now not bothering!!! what a joke, why have we wasted our time in this man - there are loads of players available and within our budget. Gus is just too fussy...

Before all you 'do gooders' have a go at my negativity you must remembr that we have needed this for so long....Yes we beat Newcastle, it was great and I loved it. However, just because we beat them people have got so carrid away again - saying how great we are and basically praising Hoskins as the new Jesus Christ. People.. Hoskins is not the answer, he never will be. We need a striker, simple as that - we can not continue in the same way.
Correct...there are loads of strikers out there...and they are the ones clubs are releasing because they are average !!
We need better than average.
We all know weve needed a striker....and no more than our manager . Dont you think he knows that ?
Your correct re Hoskins....he had 20 good minutes on Saturday, so im not sure why everyone is talking about him as being our new saviour.
OK.....so your the new manager of Brighton....please tell me who you think could be our saviour ..within our budget and wage structure. Names please !!
[quote][p][bold]Tommy11[/bold] wrote: This is pathetic news. Really pathetic. We have needed a Target Man since the start of the season and Gus for the love of him can not seem to get. Other than Ulloa, there is no one else we can afford?? erm.. yes there is... Becuase we can not land Ulloa, we are now not bothering!!! what a joke, why have we wasted our time in this man - there are loads of players available and within our budget. Gus is just too fussy... Before all you 'do gooders' have a go at my negativity you must remembr that we have needed this for so long....Yes we beat Newcastle, it was great and I loved it. However, just because we beat them people have got so carrid away again - saying how great we are and basically praising Hoskins as the new Jesus Christ. People.. Hoskins is not the answer, he never will be. We need a striker, simple as that - we can not continue in the same way.[/p][/quote]Correct...there are loads of strikers out there...and they are the ones clubs are releasing because they are average !! We need better than average. We all know weve needed a striker....and no more than our manager . Dont you think he knows that ? Your correct re Hoskins....he had 20 good minutes on Saturday, so im not sure why everyone is talking about him as being our new saviour. OK.....so your the new manager of Brighton....please tell me who you think could be our saviour ..within our budget and wage structure. Names please !! wenners
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3:38pm Wed 9 Jan 13

wenners says...

Howie2 wrote:
After what Gus said about Jason Roberts why is he not a possibility for us ? He can no longer get into the Reading team and I doubt whether Reading would require a fee for him. Whether we could afford his wages for the rest of the season is another matter.
So youve just answered your own question !
[quote][p][bold]Howie2[/bold] wrote: After what Gus said about Jason Roberts why is he not a possibility for us ? He can no longer get into the Reading team and I doubt whether Reading would require a fee for him. Whether we could afford his wages for the rest of the season is another matter.[/p][/quote]So youve just answered your own question ! wenners
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3:42pm Wed 9 Jan 13

wenners says...

mr punch wrote:
The Gus/Blackburn story is dangly spherical things! He won't go to that place and I personally feel no sorrow for Blackburn as, imo, they are the club that ruined football in this country in the first place! Ridiculous transfer fees, ridiculous wages and going down.
No..that was Leeds a few years ago, when O'Leary was manager !
Plenty of other instances well before Blackburn !!!
[quote][p][bold]mr punch[/bold] wrote: The Gus/Blackburn story is dangly spherical things! He won't go to that place and I personally feel no sorrow for Blackburn as, imo, they are the club that ruined football in this country in the first place! Ridiculous transfer fees, ridiculous wages and going down.[/p][/quote]No..that was Leeds a few years ago, when O'Leary was manager ! Plenty of other instances well before Blackburn !!! wenners
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4:07pm Wed 9 Jan 13

albionfan33 says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
Do we not have the solution in Jake Foster?
Seems it is OK to sign a player from a second div Spanish club before giving our own players a chance. At least JF knows what British football is all about. I don't get to games but from what I have read on here JF is a very good forward.
i dont get to games either (living in germany) but i know jfc is a cm not cf
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: Do we not have the solution in Jake Foster? Seems it is OK to sign a player from a second div Spanish club before giving our own players a chance. At least JF knows what British football is all about. I don't get to games but from what I have read on here JF is a very good forward.[/p][/quote]i dont get to games either (living in germany) but i know jfc is a cm not cf albionfan33
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5:25pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Far gull says...

Right forget ulloa then for now, don't believe in blackburn rubbish , gus only move likely to be a top 5 club here or abroad!
Striker issue am still with Vegas ,loan option best.
Hoskins not saviour ,COULD ,I said be next wardy not would, but will if given a few games ,which he will be our real surprise( not the right term) and may take heat off striker situation especially if v comes back which I have a suspicion he will. Not worth getting anyone if no better than vokes.
Remember than we are not awash with cash another season in this league whilst not really what we want there are worse positions to be in.
Talksport topic today? Ticket prices. Let's hope if we get arsenal ,we either win or lose ,£60 + for replay ticket not palatable . Come to that if we get them at ours can't see tickets being less than Newcastle game !!!
Right forget ulloa then for now, don't believe in blackburn rubbish , gus only move likely to be a top 5 club here or abroad! Striker issue am still with Vegas ,loan option best. Hoskins not saviour ,COULD ,I said be next wardy not would, but will if given a few games ,which he will be our real surprise( not the right term) and may take heat off striker situation especially if v comes back which I have a suspicion he will. Not worth getting anyone if no better than vokes. Remember than we are not awash with cash another season in this league whilst not really what we want there are worse positions to be in. Talksport topic today? Ticket prices. Let's hope if we get arsenal ,we either win or lose ,£60 + for replay ticket not palatable . Come to that if we get them at ours can't see tickets being less than Newcastle game !!! Far gull
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5:44pm Wed 9 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

So many opinions as to who we should not sign and very little about who we should sign.

Gus and his team of scouts must be working within the restraints placed upon them buy the size of the budget given. To suggest he should go after players who, by all reports and judging by what Gus has said, are beyond the budget is pointless.

Something I don't understand is why plan, 'A,' would appear to have been signing Ulloa, no other purchases just him. Due to the problems in getting the guy in we are now reported to be going straight to plan, 'B.'

I find it hard to accept that Ulloa was the only player that suited Gus's game plan and also was priced within the budget requirements. If that is the case, and I am not saying it is, then Brighton need to seriously look at the finances.

Either Gus is looking for the, 'perfect,' player to meet our needs, and I doubt such a person exists, or perhaps our budget is too restrictive.

Plan 'A,' buy Ulloa, plan 'B,' borrow a player, not exactly a sutuation to raise one's pulse rate.
So many opinions as to who we should not sign and very little about who we should sign. Gus and his team of scouts must be working within the restraints placed upon them buy the size of the budget given. To suggest he should go after players who, by all reports and judging by what Gus has said, are beyond the budget is pointless. Something I don't understand is why plan, 'A,' would appear to have been signing Ulloa, no other purchases just him. Due to the problems in getting the guy in we are now reported to be going straight to plan, 'B.' I find it hard to accept that Ulloa was the only player that suited Gus's game plan and also was priced within the budget requirements. If that is the case, and I am not saying it is, then Brighton need to seriously look at the finances. Either Gus is looking for the, 'perfect,' player to meet our needs, and I doubt such a person exists, or perhaps our budget is too restrictive. Plan 'A,' buy Ulloa, plan 'B,' borrow a player, not exactly a sutuation to raise one's pulse rate. VegasSeagull
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6:09pm Wed 9 Jan 13

namgo49 says...

1. Ulloa won't happen, just agent agitation me thinks and the passport thing won't be sorted until the summer under the rules.
2. Poyet to Blackburn won't happen even if they weren't in the mess they are in.
3. Dunk to anywhere won't happen until his off field issues are sorted out.
1. Ulloa won't happen, just agent agitation me thinks and the passport thing won't be sorted until the summer under the rules. 2. Poyet to Blackburn won't happen even if they weren't in the mess they are in. 3. Dunk to anywhere won't happen until his off field issues are sorted out. namgo49
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6:26pm Wed 9 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

namgo49 wrote:
1. Ulloa won't happen, just agent agitation me thinks and the passport thing won't be sorted until the summer under the rules. 2. Poyet to Blackburn won't happen even if they weren't in the mess they are in. 3. Dunk to anywhere won't happen until his off field issues are sorted out.
I can go with the first two but think the third will happen.
If the money is right we will sell him, IMHO. This year his role seems to be that of a cover defender and I think we can cover his role.
The lad wants to play, all players do, so I am sure he would move if given the chance.



,
[quote][p][bold]namgo49[/bold] wrote: 1. Ulloa won't happen, just agent agitation me thinks and the passport thing won't be sorted until the summer under the rules. 2. Poyet to Blackburn won't happen even if they weren't in the mess they are in. 3. Dunk to anywhere won't happen until his off field issues are sorted out.[/p][/quote]I can go with the first two but think the third will happen. If the money is right we will sell him, IMHO. This year his role seems to be that of a cover defender and I think we can cover his role. The lad wants to play, all players do, so I am sure he would move if given the chance. , VegasSeagull
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7:43pm Wed 9 Jan 13

golddene says...

northstand4 wrote:
I think I'm right to say Hull are still receiving 'parachute payments' this season and therefore have a bigger budget to work with than ourselves? It's obviously differcult for us to compete with them and many other teams in the division who have these payments/loaded owners! I think GP is doing the best he can with the resourses at his deposal and as other have previously said most of his signings have worked well. I am also hoping Hoskins is given game time in coming matches and do think he'll prove his worth. I think if we can beat Derby on Saturday and get a point or d up at Brum the lads can (with one or two additions) really push on and keep in contention for a playoff spot! In Gus we trust, UTA!
I think that you are correct in your assumption I looked at the past relegated clubs and I concluded that the list is,Birmingham,Burnle
y,Blackpool,Bolton,B
lackburn,Hull,Middle
sborough &Wolves.
[quote][p][bold]northstand4[/bold] wrote: I think I'm right to say Hull are still receiving 'parachute payments' this season and therefore have a bigger budget to work with than ourselves? It's obviously differcult for us to compete with them and many other teams in the division who have these payments/loaded owners! I think GP is doing the best he can with the resourses at his deposal and as other have previously said most of his signings have worked well. I am also hoping Hoskins is given game time in coming matches and do think he'll prove his worth. I think if we can beat Derby on Saturday and get a point or d up at Brum the lads can (with one or two additions) really push on and keep in contention for a playoff spot! In Gus we trust, UTA![/p][/quote]I think that you are correct in your assumption I looked at the past relegated clubs and I concluded that the list is,Birmingham,Burnle y,Blackpool,Bolton,B lackburn,Hull,Middle sborough &Wolves. golddene
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10:12pm Wed 9 Jan 13

the taffster says...

poyets been seen at ewood park talking to the vendys.looks like he could be on his way after all.hes probably pd off with the meagre budget for new players.
poyets been seen at ewood park talking to the vendys.looks like he could be on his way after all.hes probably pd off with the meagre budget for new players. the taffster
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11:48pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Perseus says...

Far gull wrote:
Right forget ulloa then for now, don't believe in blackburn rubbish , gus only move likely to be a top 5 club here or abroad!
Striker issue am still with Vegas ,loan option best.
Hoskins not saviour ,COULD ,I said be next wardy not would, but will if given a few games ,which he will be our real surprise( not the right term) and may take heat off striker situation especially if v comes back which I have a suspicion he will. Not worth getting anyone if no better than vokes.
Remember than we are not awash with cash another season in this league whilst not really what we want there are worse positions to be in.
Talksport topic today? Ticket prices. Let's hope if we get arsenal ,we either win or lose ,£60 + for replay ticket not palatable . Come to that if we get them at ours can't see tickets being less than Newcastle game !!!
Not a bad post. Ulloa would take at least then rest of the season to adapt.

Quick fix ain't there, Everything Gus has said makes sense to me.

He has only be outwitted on a one-off match by Sven at Leicester,.

Hoskins who i had given up on is now llooking good.

Promising but it might be tricky vs Swansea,
[quote][p][bold]Far gull[/bold] wrote: Right forget ulloa then for now, don't believe in blackburn rubbish , gus only move likely to be a top 5 club here or abroad! Striker issue am still with Vegas ,loan option best. Hoskins not saviour ,COULD ,I said be next wardy not would, but will if given a few games ,which he will be our real surprise( not the right term) and may take heat off striker situation especially if v comes back which I have a suspicion he will. Not worth getting anyone if no better than vokes. Remember than we are not awash with cash another season in this league whilst not really what we want there are worse positions to be in. Talksport topic today? Ticket prices. Let's hope if we get arsenal ,we either win or lose ,£60 + for replay ticket not palatable . Come to that if we get them at ours can't see tickets being less than Newcastle game !!![/p][/quote]Not a bad post. Ulloa would take at least then rest of the season to adapt. Quick fix ain't there, Everything Gus has said makes sense to me. He has only be outwitted on a one-off match by Sven at Leicester,. Hoskins who i had given up on is now llooking good. Promising but it might be tricky vs Swansea, Perseus
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5:27pm Thu 10 Jan 13

tinker111 says...

SMF20 wrote:
Perhaps ignorance is indeed bliss. I find myself disappointed reading this story. It looked like a done deal only a few days ago and I was looking forward to seeing this guy play. It now looks increasingly unlikely that he will be coming our way though.
To the loan system it is. Lets hope GP has a few names in mind that will arrive soon.
Uta
Sorry for you but you should get real for your own sake never believe what comes out of this site or the club it's eye wash and planned to deceive and yes have been an Albion fan for years but dont trust ?????
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: Perhaps ignorance is indeed bliss. I find myself disappointed reading this story. It looked like a done deal only a few days ago and I was looking forward to seeing this guy play. It now looks increasingly unlikely that he will be coming our way though. To the loan system it is. Lets hope GP has a few names in mind that will arrive soon. Uta[/p][/quote]Sorry for you but you should get real for your own sake never believe what comes out of this site or the club it's eye wash and planned to deceive and yes have been an Albion fan for years but dont trust ????? tinker111
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