No bids for Albion ace Mackail-Smith

Gus Poyet wants to play Craig Mackail-Smith (left) with new signing Leonardo Ulloa, not lose him.

Gus Poyet wants to play Craig Mackail-Smith (left) with new signing Leonardo Ulloa, not lose him.

First published in Albion by , Chief sports reporter

 Albion have received no offers for Craig Mackail-Smith and have no desire to lose their top scorer this month after signing Leonardo Ulloa.


  Boss Gus Poyet clarified the club's stance on the future of Mackail-Smith at his regular Thursday morning press conference at The Amex.


  Ulloa has been bought from Spanish club Almeria to play with Mackail-Smith, not instead of him.


  Poyet told The Argus: "I have been asked 150,000 times that Macca needed this kind of striker (Ulloa) to play with him and now that we have got him we are going to send him away!


  "At the moment there is nothing. There are constantly a lot of rumours everywhere that people are going and coming but in reality there's nothing at all."


  Norwich tried to sign Mackail-Smith during the August transfer window. Leeds have been linked with him in the past and The Argus understands Leicester also remain admirers after losing out when the former Peterborough marksman joined the Seagulls two summers ago.


  Poyet said: "With 13 or 14 days left of the transfer window we are on standby, just in case things happen.


  "Until now nobody has made any offer so we are nice and happy but you need to be ready, because you don't know what is going to happen.


  "We are ready, because I don't want any surprises by the end of the month and then to be in a bad situation with any player, because you know how it is.


  "Somebody goes for someone, put all the money on the table and then you have got a problem."

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11:25am Thu 17 Jan 13

northstand4 says...

Yes! CMS and Ulloa up front, Goals and plenty of them are going to start smashing into the opposition's net!!! So excited to see the pair play together at the Amex, Seagulls!!! UTA
Yes! CMS and Ulloa up front, Goals and plenty of them are going to start smashing into the opposition's net!!! So excited to see the pair play together at the Amex, Seagulls!!! UTA northstand4
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11:32am Thu 17 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

Lets hope it remains this way.

If Ulloa is the foil we all hope he is then there is no reason at all why he won't help Cms achieve 20+ goals this season as well as chipping in with 10+ himself.

Uta
Lets hope it remains this way. If Ulloa is the foil we all hope he is then there is no reason at all why he won't help Cms achieve 20+ goals this season as well as chipping in with 10+ himself. Uta SMF20
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11:35am Thu 17 Jan 13

LAWgull says...

Will ullloa get us ullhigher ??
Will ullloa get us ullhigher ?? LAWgull
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11:42am Thu 17 Jan 13

Bob! says...

'No bids for CMS'

What about Hoskins or Dobbie?
Are we looking to get rid of one of these?
'No bids for CMS' What about Hoskins or Dobbie? Are we looking to get rid of one of these? Bob!
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11:44am Thu 17 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

Great for CMS as this is likely to allow him to play much more to his own strengths. Would hate to see him leave the club, certainly at this stage and likewise Barnes and Hoskins, although I'd guess that the the most likely leaver would be the latter if a decent offer was made. I like him as a player, but not convinced Gus does.
Great for CMS as this is likely to allow him to play much more to his own strengths. Would hate to see him leave the club, certainly at this stage and likewise Barnes and Hoskins, although I'd guess that the the most likely leaver would be the latter if a decent offer was made. I like him as a player, but not convinced Gus does. dave from bexill
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11:55am Thu 17 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

The Dobbie situation is interesting. Would be interesting to hear Gus's thoughts regarding the signing of this player and his subsequent lack of appearances. In view of his age and the lengthy period of contract, would Gus now consider him a less than successful purchase?
The Dobbie situation is interesting. Would be interesting to hear Gus's thoughts regarding the signing of this player and his subsequent lack of appearances. In view of his age and the lengthy period of contract, would Gus now consider him a less than successful purchase? dave from bexill
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11:56am Thu 17 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

The Dobbie situation is interesting. Would be interesting to hear Gus's thoughts regarding the signing of this player and his subsequent lack of appearances. In view of his age and the lengthy period of contract, would Gus now consider him a less than successful purchase?
The Dobbie situation is interesting. Would be interesting to hear Gus's thoughts regarding the signing of this player and his subsequent lack of appearances. In view of his age and the lengthy period of contract, would Gus now consider him a less than successful purchase? dave from bexill
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11:59am Thu 17 Jan 13

Dr Baldhead says...

I'd be happy for us to sell CMS. I don't think he's performed that well in the 18 months we've had him. If another team is willing to pay us what we initially outlaid - or more - I hope the club takes it.

Before anyone says it, I'm not be negative, just offering a different, honest, opinion. I love the Albion and I was chuffed when we first signed CMS, but I just don't think it's worked out for him or BHA quite as we hoped it would.
I'd be happy for us to sell CMS. I don't think he's performed that well in the 18 months we've had him. If another team is willing to pay us what we initially outlaid - or more - I hope the club takes it. Before anyone says it, I'm not be negative, just offering a different, honest, opinion. I love the Albion and I was chuffed when we first signed CMS, but I just don't think it's worked out for him or BHA quite as we hoped it would. Dr Baldhead
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12:09pm Thu 17 Jan 13

geomians says...

Why on earth do they tag this as 'breaking news'??

Can we have more breaking news like 'It's cold out there today!'
Why on earth do they tag this as 'breaking news'?? Can we have more breaking news like 'It's cold out there today!' geomians
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12:12pm Thu 17 Jan 13

heathgate says...

Ulloa and CMS up top, with Hoskins on the bench to come on and Orlandi in the hole just behind them with Dobbie to come off the bench as needed. Save some money by shifting Barnes.
Ulloa and CMS up top, with Hoskins on the bench to come on and Orlandi in the hole just behind them with Dobbie to come off the bench as needed. Save some money by shifting Barnes. heathgate
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12:14pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

heathgate wrote:
Ulloa and CMS up top, with Hoskins on the bench to come on and Orlandi in the hole just behind them with Dobbie to come off the bench as needed. Save some money by shifting Barnes.
And who will do what Barnes does so effectively?
[quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: Ulloa and CMS up top, with Hoskins on the bench to come on and Orlandi in the hole just behind them with Dobbie to come off the bench as needed. Save some money by shifting Barnes.[/p][/quote]And who will do what Barnes does so effectively? Old Scrote of the Amex
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12:20pm Thu 17 Jan 13

heathgate says...

...all of them but with added skill and goals.
...all of them but with added skill and goals. heathgate
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12:22pm Thu 17 Jan 13

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Dr Baldhead wrote:
I'd be happy for us to sell CMS. I don't think he's performed that well in the 18 months we've had him. If another team is willing to pay us what we initially outlaid - or more - I hope the club takes it.

Before anyone says it, I'm not be negative, just offering a different, honest, opinion. I love the Albion and I was chuffed when we first signed CMS, but I just don't think it's worked out for him or BHA quite as we hoped it would.
Which is why we just bought Ulloa. Read the article above.. Gus is admitting that CMS needs a CF to play off of and Ulloa was drafted in for that very reason.
If you were making your ditch CMS comment at seasons end after the Ulloa/CMS partnership has failed, then i would have to agree, but to say that now is somewhat daft, when you are about to see the latest and greatest strking experiment that is supposed to fire us into the play-offs.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Baldhead[/bold] wrote: I'd be happy for us to sell CMS. I don't think he's performed that well in the 18 months we've had him. If another team is willing to pay us what we initially outlaid - or more - I hope the club takes it. Before anyone says it, I'm not be negative, just offering a different, honest, opinion. I love the Albion and I was chuffed when we first signed CMS, but I just don't think it's worked out for him or BHA quite as we hoped it would.[/p][/quote]Which is why we just bought Ulloa. Read the article above.. Gus is admitting that CMS needs a CF to play off of and Ulloa was drafted in for that very reason. If you were making your ditch CMS comment at seasons end after the Ulloa/CMS partnership has failed, then i would have to agree, but to say that now is somewhat daft, when you are about to see the latest and greatest strking experiment that is supposed to fire us into the play-offs. PressBoxTeaBoy
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12:27pm Thu 17 Jan 13

calibrade says...

The most important thing is to tie Bridcutt to a long contract. This is crucial for the team to move forward and make the most of the players we have or will get in the future. I would say Bridcutt is good enough for the very best teams and cannot be replaced.
The most important thing is to tie Bridcutt to a long contract. This is crucial for the team to move forward and make the most of the players we have or will get in the future. I would say Bridcutt is good enough for the very best teams and cannot be replaced. calibrade
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12:45pm Thu 17 Jan 13

lmspike says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
heathgate wrote: Ulloa and CMS up top, with Hoskins on the bench to come on and Orlandi in the hole just behind them with Dobbie to come off the bench as needed. Save some money by shifting Barnes.
And who will do what Barnes does so effectively?
BAMBI !!
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: Ulloa and CMS up top, with Hoskins on the bench to come on and Orlandi in the hole just behind them with Dobbie to come off the bench as needed. Save some money by shifting Barnes.[/p][/quote]And who will do what Barnes does so effectively?[/p][/quote]BAMBI !! lmspike
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12:47pm Thu 17 Jan 13

tinker111 says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
heathgate wrote:
Ulloa and CMS up top, with Hoskins on the bench to come on and Orlandi in the hole just behind them with Dobbie to come off the bench as needed. Save some money by shifting Barnes.
And who will do what Barnes does so effectively?
Well said Barnes has the best work rate after Bridcutt at the Albion,Dobbie should be at best with the DEV 'S
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: Ulloa and CMS up top, with Hoskins on the bench to come on and Orlandi in the hole just behind them with Dobbie to come off the bench as needed. Save some money by shifting Barnes.[/p][/quote]And who will do what Barnes does so effectively?[/p][/quote]Well said Barnes has the best work rate after Bridcutt at the Albion,Dobbie should be at best with the DEV 'S tinker111
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12:49pm Thu 17 Jan 13

tinker111 says...

heathgate wrote:
...all of them but with added skill and goals.
Rubbish ,GET TO SPEC SAVERS ASAP
[quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: ...all of them but with added skill and goals.[/p][/quote]Rubbish ,GET TO SPEC SAVERS ASAP tinker111
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1:03pm Thu 17 Jan 13

heathgate says...

No good having workrate if yo have no end product, as you all keep saying about CMS,...... Barnes out please...... and Tinkerbell.. already been.
No good having workrate if yo have no end product, as you all keep saying about CMS,...... Barnes out please...... and Tinkerbell.. already been. heathgate
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1:13pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Vince says...

Playing 4-4-1-1 system

Prob certainties to start but could be replaced:-

Ulloa (Barnes)


CMS (Barnes/Hoskins)


Orlandi (Buckley/Lua Lua/Hoskins/Crofts)

Barnes (Hammond/Crofts/Hosk
ins/Lua Lua/Dobbie)

Lopez (Buckley/Lua Lua/Crofts/Hammond)

Bridcutt (Hammond/Crofts)


Bruno (Calderon/Lopez)

Greer (Dunk)

El Abd (Dunk)

Bridge (Maksimenko/Painter)
Playing 4-4-1-1 system Prob certainties to start but could be replaced:- Ulloa (Barnes) CMS (Barnes/Hoskins) Orlandi (Buckley/Lua Lua/Hoskins/Crofts) Barnes (Hammond/Crofts/Hosk ins/Lua Lua/Dobbie) Lopez (Buckley/Lua Lua/Crofts/Hammond) Bridcutt (Hammond/Crofts) Bruno (Calderon/Lopez) Greer (Dunk) El Abd (Dunk) Bridge (Maksimenko/Painter) Vince
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1:16pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Grendel says...

Breaking news! Nothings happened. Good one, Argus.
Breaking news! Nothings happened. Good one, Argus. Grendel
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1:26pm Thu 17 Jan 13

fairweathersupporter says...

I am intrigued as to how Gus will utilise our new acquisition and this interview would appear to add to this. If I recall rightly, Barn Door Billy and more particularly Vokes were rarely played with CMS in the anticipated role, or indeed in the same starting line up. This was tried with BDB but didn't work out and was quickly dropped. Barnes maintained variations on his deeper theme that have continued this season with Vokes normally replacing rather than playing alongside or in front of CMS. I suspect that this was in part due to the need to accommodate Navarro as extra meat in the midfield and later the creative talents of Vicente.
I would hope that CMS will drop to a deeper role, running on to the ball and utilising his headless chicken routine to far greater effect. The emergence of Orlandi (in the main) and Spanish Dave as creative outlets, along with some tactical experimentation on our established 4-3-3/4-5-1 ( there's a whole argument whether it's 4-1-4-1etc but lets stick to basics) line up, bode well. I would like to see CMS and Buckley playing off Ulloa with Orlandi providing support.
We have made real progress this season. This is belied a little by our league standing which is not much of an improvement. We have leanrt to dominate games and now hopefully, we can start putting teams to the sword. Barnes still has a role to play and is not finished yet… As for Hoskins, I fail to see the attraction in what he has done thus far. The counter to this of course is that he has not had the opportunity but he is in my opinion a poor man's CMS i.e he would play the same role, as opposed to offering anything different.
I would also love to hear my mate Gus's thoughts on Dobbie. He looks increasingly outside of the 'plan'. I sincerely hope that no one else goes now. We wouldn't miss Dobbie but there is now a good balance in the squad. The defence will need addressing at some point but Spanish Dave and Calderon are adequate cover for Bruno and there are a couple of options for left back. I am also presuming that the Latvian lad is not just a make weight. The centre looks solid for now and any signing would have to be a significant improvement and I am not sure we can afford any more quality on the bench...
I am intrigued as to how Gus will utilise our new acquisition and this interview would appear to add to this. If I recall rightly, Barn Door Billy and more particularly Vokes were rarely played with CMS in the anticipated role, or indeed in the same starting line up. This was tried with BDB but didn't work out and was quickly dropped. Barnes maintained variations on his deeper theme that have continued this season with Vokes normally replacing rather than playing alongside or in front of CMS. I suspect that this was in part due to the need to accommodate Navarro as extra meat in the midfield and later the creative talents of Vicente. I would hope that CMS will drop to a deeper role, running on to the ball and utilising his headless chicken routine to far greater effect. The emergence of Orlandi (in the main) and Spanish Dave as creative outlets, along with some tactical experimentation on our established 4-3-3/4-5-1 ( there's a whole argument whether it's 4-1-4-1etc but lets stick to basics) line up, bode well. I would like to see CMS and Buckley playing off Ulloa with Orlandi providing support. We have made real progress this season. This is belied a little by our league standing which is not much of an improvement. We have leanrt to dominate games and now hopefully, we can start putting teams to the sword. Barnes still has a role to play and is not finished yet… As for Hoskins, I fail to see the attraction in what he has done thus far. The counter to this of course is that he has not had the opportunity but he is in my opinion a poor man's CMS i.e he would play the same role, as opposed to offering anything different. I would also love to hear my mate Gus's thoughts on Dobbie. He looks increasingly outside of the 'plan'. I sincerely hope that no one else goes now. We wouldn't miss Dobbie but there is now a good balance in the squad. The defence will need addressing at some point but Spanish Dave and Calderon are adequate cover for Bruno and there are a couple of options for left back. I am also presuming that the Latvian lad is not just a make weight. The centre looks solid for now and any signing would have to be a significant improvement and I am not sure we can afford any more quality on the bench... fairweathersupporter
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1:30pm Thu 17 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

No offers for CMS, thanks for telling us Gus, but I wonder if anyone asked you if any clubs had contacted you regarding CMS, if any feelers were put out.

Apart from fringe players I see no reason for the club to sell anyone. If one had to go then I would suggest Dobbie simply because I haven't got a clue as to what his role is.

The Argus has made a headline out of the fact that no bids have come in for CMS, I'm thinking that the rest of the interview must have been pretty dull if this is the best they can come up with.
Mr. Naylor must surely have asked if any other players might be coming in, what was the answer?
Did anyone ask Gus if offers have been recieved for, 'any,' of our players, what was the answer?
No offers for CMS, thanks for telling us Gus, but I wonder if anyone asked you if any clubs had contacted you regarding CMS, if any feelers were put out. Apart from fringe players I see no reason for the club to sell anyone. If one had to go then I would suggest Dobbie simply because I haven't got a clue as to what his role is. The Argus has made a headline out of the fact that no bids have come in for CMS, I'm thinking that the rest of the interview must have been pretty dull if this is the best they can come up with. Mr. Naylor must surely have asked if any other players might be coming in, what was the answer? Did anyone ask Gus if offers have been recieved for, 'any,' of our players, what was the answer? VegasSeagull
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1:38pm Thu 17 Jan 13

ballantrrae says...

Having acquired Ulloa to play alongside CMS it will be interesting to see (a) who is selected for the (other) 4 midfield positions and (b) who else Poyet signs this month and where he wants to utilise them.
Bridcutt obviously would fulfil the holding role and I imagine Orlandi the attacking one or even Vicente if fit.. A fit and on form Buckley the wide/wing position (although I wouldn't be surprised to see Barnes starting sometimes) which leaves one slot free.
Currently the choice lies between David Lopez, Hammond, Crofts, Dicker and possibly JFC. None are ideally suited to this position in a potential 4-4-2 formation or a 4-4-1-1 one.
David has the passing ability, Hammond more physical presence and Crofts potentially the enegy. Dicker fits in effectively but is not really a ball winner and JFC lacks experience. What we lack is a powerhouse midfielder, the sort of player Poyet has in the past said he wanted.
The other position Poyet might wish to strengthen is CB where we lack pace. This might be pertinent now as GG's contract expires in the summer. Finally the club might wish to look ahead and potentially plan for life without Bridge at LB.
2 Weeks of the window are left which really isn't very long. However having secured the much sort after striker (Ulloa) Poyet should now be free to address other priorities.
I am really looking forward to the Arsenal game and keeping fingers crossed for Saturday.
Having acquired Ulloa to play alongside CMS it will be interesting to see (a) who is selected for the (other) 4 midfield positions and (b) who else Poyet signs this month and where he wants to utilise them. Bridcutt obviously would fulfil the holding role and I imagine Orlandi the attacking one or even Vicente if fit.. A fit and on form Buckley the wide/wing position (although I wouldn't be surprised to see Barnes starting sometimes) which leaves one slot free. Currently the choice lies between David Lopez, Hammond, Crofts, Dicker and possibly JFC. None are ideally suited to this position in a potential 4-4-2 formation or a 4-4-1-1 one. David has the passing ability, Hammond more physical presence and Crofts potentially the enegy. Dicker fits in effectively but is not really a ball winner and JFC lacks experience. What we lack is a powerhouse midfielder, the sort of player Poyet has in the past said he wanted. The other position Poyet might wish to strengthen is CB where we lack pace. This might be pertinent now as GG's contract expires in the summer. Finally the club might wish to look ahead and potentially plan for life without Bridge at LB. 2 Weeks of the window are left which really isn't very long. However having secured the much sort after striker (Ulloa) Poyet should now be free to address other priorities. I am really looking forward to the Arsenal game and keeping fingers crossed for Saturday. ballantrrae
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2:01pm Thu 17 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure.

My very genuine question is, Why?

Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt.
Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all.
I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent.

As always, just my opinion.

Uta
I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure. My very genuine question is, Why? Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt. Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all. I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent. As always, just my opinion. Uta SMF20
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2:06pm Thu 17 Jan 13

gusset snatcher says...

I can't believe the same idiots spending hours posting drivel on here....... don't any of you have jobs?.... no, I thought not
I can't believe the same idiots spending hours posting drivel on here....... don't any of you have jobs?.... no, I thought not gusset snatcher
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2:12pm Thu 17 Jan 13

pjwilk says...

geomians wrote:
Why on earth do they tag this as 'breaking news'??

Can we have more breaking news like 'It's cold out there today!'
Breaking news = no news.
[quote][p][bold]geomians[/bold] wrote: Why on earth do they tag this as 'breaking news'?? Can we have more breaking news like 'It's cold out there today!'[/p][/quote]Breaking news = no news. pjwilk
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2:20pm Thu 17 Jan 13

heathgate says...

gusset snatcher wrote:
I can't believe the same idiots spending hours posting drivel on here....... don't any of you have jobs?.... no, I thought not
We are sorry m'lud, we didnt realise you were so high brow and important.
[quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: I can't believe the same idiots spending hours posting drivel on here....... don't any of you have jobs?.... no, I thought not[/p][/quote]We are sorry m'lud, we didnt realise you were so high brow and important. heathgate
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2:23pm Thu 17 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Ballantrrae it would seem that you and I are largely on the same page regarding our squad.

Gus has got his man, we now have the target man, but is one player enough to make the squad contenders.
Vicente surely will play, when fit, in midfield, how could you not use him.
I agree with you regarding the, 'power house,' midfield player, we appear to lack someone who will drive forward with the ball, the Modrich (spell check) type player.

I am with you on the center back too, as is Poyet, I would like to see a big and powerful CB join us, someone to dominate in the air and be a strong physical presence.

You and I differ on the front end, I would still like to see another Ulloa arrive.

Gus said that the club was ready to, 'spend big,' one new player at around 2 million is not exactly spending big. I hope for more to come. ,
Ballantrrae it would seem that you and I are largely on the same page regarding our squad. Gus has got his man, we now have the target man, but is one player enough to make the squad contenders. Vicente surely will play, when fit, in midfield, how could you not use him. I agree with you regarding the, 'power house,' midfield player, we appear to lack someone who will drive forward with the ball, the Modrich (spell check) type player. I am with you on the center back too, as is Poyet, I would like to see a big and powerful CB join us, someone to dominate in the air and be a strong physical presence. You and I differ on the front end, I would still like to see another Ulloa arrive. Gus said that the club was ready to, 'spend big,' one new player at around 2 million is not exactly spending big. I hope for more to come. , VegasSeagull
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2:30pm Thu 17 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

heathgate wrote:
gusset snatcher wrote: I can't believe the same idiots spending hours posting drivel on here....... don't any of you have jobs?.... no, I thought not
We are sorry m'lud, we didnt realise you were so high brow and important.
and I guess your job allows you time to post drivel on here.

I have already got thru over 2 hours work and it's only 6-30am here.
[quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: I can't believe the same idiots spending hours posting drivel on here....... don't any of you have jobs?.... no, I thought not[/p][/quote]We are sorry m'lud, we didnt realise you were so high brow and important.[/p][/quote]and I guess your job allows you time to post drivel on here. I have already got thru over 2 hours work and it's only 6-30am here. VegasSeagull
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2:36pm Thu 17 Jan 13

fratsomrover says...

Its an intriguing scenario to finally buy the big target man centre forward and then to add that CMS will definitely play alongside. I would assume that Buckley also has to start as Gus rates him better than Zaha and he is our best attacking player, who will now finally have a recipient for his crosses, which really only leaves another three midfield berths. Bidcutt is 100% defo and one would assume that if Vicente is fit, he has to start. That would leave one place for Orlandi, Lopez, Hammond, Croft, Dicker, Barnes, Dobbie, not to mention Lua Lua, Hoskins, Calderon, JKF & Painter
Not an easy choice as even the non chosen would not be a bad team.
It will be interesting to see who he selects and I am sure it is bound to cause a whole lot of controversy. Personally, I'd still prefer to see Hoskins alongside Ulloah. I also hope he will retain Buckley or Lua Lua to give us that width and pace out wide. They keep defences stretched which will allow more room centrally for Ulloah and whoever plays sidekick to exploit. Guess we'll all find out by the weekend.
Its an intriguing scenario to finally buy the big target man centre forward and then to add that CMS will definitely play alongside. I would assume that Buckley also has to start as Gus rates him better than Zaha and he is our best attacking player, who will now finally have a recipient for his crosses, which really only leaves another three midfield berths. Bidcutt is 100% defo and one would assume that if Vicente is fit, he has to start. That would leave one place for Orlandi, Lopez, Hammond, Croft, Dicker, Barnes, Dobbie, not to mention Lua Lua, Hoskins, Calderon, JKF & Painter Not an easy choice as even the non chosen would not be a bad team. It will be interesting to see who he selects and I am sure it is bound to cause a whole lot of controversy. Personally, I'd still prefer to see Hoskins alongside Ulloah. I also hope he will retain Buckley or Lua Lua to give us that width and pace out wide. They keep defences stretched which will allow more room centrally for Ulloah and whoever plays sidekick to exploit. Guess we'll all find out by the weekend. fratsomrover
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2:52pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Seagull83 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Ballantrrae it would seem that you and I are largely on the same page regarding our squad. Gus has got his man, we now have the target man, but is one player enough to make the squad contenders. Vicente surely will play, when fit, in midfield, how could you not use him. I agree with you regarding the, 'power house,' midfield player, we appear to lack someone who will drive forward with the ball, the Modrich (spell check) type player. I am with you on the center back too, as is Poyet, I would like to see a big and powerful CB join us, someone to dominate in the air and be a strong physical presence. You and I differ on the front end, I would still like to see another Ulloa arrive. Gus said that the club was ready to, 'spend big,' one new player at around 2 million is not exactly spending big. I hope for more to come. ,
Errrmmm, he's the second biggest signing this Club has made, ever- it currently reads: CMS2.5-3.5m, Ulloa 2m, Buckley 1m. So if you don't think 2m is spending big for us then you may need to adjust your expectations or otherwise read last Saturday's Argus or Match Programme.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Ballantrrae it would seem that you and I are largely on the same page regarding our squad. Gus has got his man, we now have the target man, but is one player enough to make the squad contenders. Vicente surely will play, when fit, in midfield, how could you not use him. I agree with you regarding the, 'power house,' midfield player, we appear to lack someone who will drive forward with the ball, the Modrich (spell check) type player. I am with you on the center back too, as is Poyet, I would like to see a big and powerful CB join us, someone to dominate in the air and be a strong physical presence. You and I differ on the front end, I would still like to see another Ulloa arrive. Gus said that the club was ready to, 'spend big,' one new player at around 2 million is not exactly spending big. I hope for more to come. ,[/p][/quote]Errrmmm, he's the second biggest signing this Club has made, ever- it currently reads: CMS2.5-3.5m, Ulloa 2m, Buckley 1m. So if you don't think 2m is spending big for us then you may need to adjust your expectations or otherwise read last Saturday's Argus or Match Programme. Seagull83
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2:52pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Murray's Mint says...

SMF20 wrote:
I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure.

My very genuine question is, Why?

Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt.
Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all.
I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent.

As always, just my opinion.

Uta
All about striking a balance between creativity and caution. Chelsea did indeed flood their midfield with a creative, non-defensive, midfield. But then they threw away a two goal lead against an inferior Southampton team!!!
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure. My very genuine question is, Why? Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt. Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all. I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent. As always, just my opinion. Uta[/p][/quote]All about striking a balance between creativity and caution. Chelsea did indeed flood their midfield with a creative, non-defensive, midfield. But then they threw away a two goal lead against an inferior Southampton team!!! Murray's Mint
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3:03pm Thu 17 Jan 13

saraman says...

No bids for CMS, no bids for anyone. So where's the news
No bids for CMS, no bids for anyone. So where's the news saraman
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3:08pm Thu 17 Jan 13

bruce beckett says...

For all those who persist in riding Ashley Barnes, may I just point out that since he has been restored to the team, we have won three successive games. Without him, we went five without a win.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

He seems to be the one attacking player in our squad capable of tracking back and giving the defensive side of our game some stability. Oh, and of course, he's also capable of scoring a goal or two.

Yes, we have players with a better first touch and greater ball skills, but, right now, Barnes appears to be the glue that holds us together.

He would seem to be the most obvious guy to make way for Ulloa (with CMS playing behind him), but I'm not sure Gus will see it that way.
For all those who persist in riding Ashley Barnes, may I just point out that since he has been restored to the team, we have won three successive games. Without him, we went five without a win. Coincidence? I don't think so. He seems to be the one attacking player in our squad capable of tracking back and giving the defensive side of our game some stability. Oh, and of course, he's also capable of scoring a goal or two. Yes, we have players with a better first touch and greater ball skills, but, right now, Barnes appears to be the glue that holds us together. He would seem to be the most obvious guy to make way for Ulloa (with CMS playing behind him), but I'm not sure Gus will see it that way. bruce beckett
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3:15pm Thu 17 Jan 13

saraman says...

gusset snatcher wrote:
I can't believe the same idiots spending hours posting drivel on here....... don't any of you have jobs?.... no, I thought not
No, we are all retired or on benefit.
[quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: I can't believe the same idiots spending hours posting drivel on here....... don't any of you have jobs?.... no, I thought not[/p][/quote]No, we are all retired or on benefit. saraman
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3:30pm Thu 17 Jan 13

albionfan33 says...

SMF20 wrote:
I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure.

My very genuine question is, Why?

Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt.
Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all.
I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent.

As always, just my opinion.

Uta
it seems a good idea im all for attacking teams from the off, but with all that flair would you tell our very effective fullbacks not to get forward for fear of being overran?? i think that is why people want another more defencive minded cm
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure. My very genuine question is, Why? Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt. Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all. I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent. As always, just my opinion. Uta[/p][/quote]it seems a good idea im all for attacking teams from the off, but with all that flair would you tell our very effective fullbacks not to get forward for fear of being overran?? i think that is why people want another more defencive minded cm albionfan33
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3:31pm Thu 17 Jan 13

the taffster says...

i like barnes.most games ive seen him play in hes scored or assisted. i would keep the squad together for the remainder of the season.lets see where we finish and then make decisionns about contracts etc.good luck leo.hope you prove to be the new peter ward and shoot us into the play offs.uta
i like barnes.most games ive seen him play in hes scored or assisted. i would keep the squad together for the remainder of the season.lets see where we finish and then make decisionns about contracts etc.good luck leo.hope you prove to be the new peter ward and shoot us into the play offs.uta the taffster
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3:37pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Hovite says...

bruce beckett wrote:
For all those who persist in riding Ashley Barnes, may I just point out that since he has been restored to the team, we have won three successive games. Without him, we went five without a win.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

He seems to be the one attacking player in our squad capable of tracking back and giving the defensive side of our game some stability. Oh, and of course, he's also capable of scoring a goal or two.

Yes, we have players with a better first touch and greater ball skills, but, right now, Barnes appears to be the glue that holds us together.

He would seem to be the most obvious guy to make way for Ulloa (with CMS playing behind him), but I'm not sure Gus will see it that way.
Gus sees him for the long term future of the Albion and is coaching him to play in any position, left, right, forward, back and upside down.

Gus wouldn't waste his time coaching on this if he didn;t rate Barnes.

He's only 23 and doing a great job in the Championship. Where was Murray at 23? Rochdale.

You improve with experience and this rule works in football too. Every player is learning, thats what humans do.

Apart from the idiots on here, they learn nuffink on a daily basis.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: For all those who persist in riding Ashley Barnes, may I just point out that since he has been restored to the team, we have won three successive games. Without him, we went five without a win. Coincidence? I don't think so. He seems to be the one attacking player in our squad capable of tracking back and giving the defensive side of our game some stability. Oh, and of course, he's also capable of scoring a goal or two. Yes, we have players with a better first touch and greater ball skills, but, right now, Barnes appears to be the glue that holds us together. He would seem to be the most obvious guy to make way for Ulloa (with CMS playing behind him), but I'm not sure Gus will see it that way.[/p][/quote]Gus sees him for the long term future of the Albion and is coaching him to play in any position, left, right, forward, back and upside down. Gus wouldn't waste his time coaching on this if he didn;t rate Barnes. He's only 23 and doing a great job in the Championship. Where was Murray at 23? Rochdale. You improve with experience and this rule works in football too. Every player is learning, thats what humans do. Apart from the idiots on here, they learn nuffink on a daily basis. Hovite
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3:42pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Vince says...

SMF20 wrote:
I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure. My very genuine question is, Why? Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt. Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all. I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent. As always, just my opinion. Uta
I agree. Hammond and Crofts don't merit the shirt. I'd forgotten about Vicente and Dicker in an earlier post in my team selection - which means we are now flooded out with midfielders. Gus should now choose the more skilfull, attack-minded midfielders/wide men like Vicente, Orlandi, Buckley/Lua Lua/ Lopez, and perm 2 from Ulloa, CMS, Barnes, Hoskins and Dobbie up front as we often look unbalanced when we flood the midfield with players like Hammond, Crofts and Dicker and our defence (viz Derby match) looked extremely vulnerable in the last 15 minutes, when we didn't have a striker on the field.

Personally, I would like to see:-
Ulloa/Barnes
CMS/Hoskins
Buckley/Lua Lua
Orlandi/Dicker
Barnes/Vicente
Bridcutt,
Bridge
Greer
El-Abd/Dunk
Lopez/Calderon/Bruno

Kuszac

I too think we need to buy a replacement for Greer - who I think is the defensive weak link at the moment.
Also we need more cover for Bridge.
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure. My very genuine question is, Why? Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt. Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all. I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent. As always, just my opinion. Uta[/p][/quote]I agree. Hammond and Crofts don't merit the shirt. I'd forgotten about Vicente and Dicker in an earlier post in my team selection - which means we are now flooded out with midfielders. Gus should now choose the more skilfull, attack-minded midfielders/wide men like Vicente, Orlandi, Buckley/Lua Lua/ Lopez, and perm 2 from Ulloa, CMS, Barnes, Hoskins and Dobbie up front as we often look unbalanced when we flood the midfield with players like Hammond, Crofts and Dicker and our defence (viz Derby match) looked extremely vulnerable in the last 15 minutes, when we didn't have a striker on the field. Personally, I would like to see:- Ulloa/Barnes CMS/Hoskins Buckley/Lua Lua Orlandi/Dicker Barnes/Vicente Bridcutt, Bridge Greer El-Abd/Dunk Lopez/Calderon/Bruno Kuszac I too think we need to buy a replacement for Greer - who I think is the defensive weak link at the moment. Also we need more cover for Bridge. Vince
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3:44pm Thu 17 Jan 13

lotsofducks says...

I'm amazed that gusset snatcher can use a computer. I guess this must be a care in the community programme...
I'm amazed that gusset snatcher can use a computer. I guess this must be a care in the community programme... lotsofducks
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3:53pm Thu 17 Jan 13

duncan 74 says...

Breaking news. There is no news. On other no news The Albion will not be bidding for Lionel Messi. FFs.
Breaking news. There is no news. On other no news The Albion will not be bidding for Lionel Messi. FFs. duncan 74
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4:02pm Thu 17 Jan 13

dave from bexill says...

Gus doesn't pick a team of eleven each game, he selects a squad of eighteen and changes this from game to game and throughout each match. As such,is the actual starting eleven that significant? Of course some players are likely to start every week and we all have a view about who that should be and it makes for lively debate on here.
Vegas, I take your point about types of players you and probably most would like to see coming in, but to suggest that £2mil 'isn't spending big',taking everything into consideration, is surely a bit off the mark isn't it?
Gus doesn't pick a team of eleven each game, he selects a squad of eighteen and changes this from game to game and throughout each match. As such,is the actual starting eleven that significant? Of course some players are likely to start every week and we all have a view about who that should be and it makes for lively debate on here. Vegas, I take your point about types of players you and probably most would like to see coming in, but to suggest that £2mil 'isn't spending big',taking everything into consideration, is surely a bit off the mark isn't it? dave from bexill
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4:02pm Thu 17 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

So does our new lad get to play against Birmingham, maybe.

For the moment I think we should consider him a non starter and turn our attentions to how we beat Birmingham without him.

Vicente has had a further week to improve his fitness, should he start?

Barnes opened the scoring in our last, should he start, will CMS be fit enough to start?

If Ulloa doesn't get his international clearance thru in time and CMS is not fit, could we see Hoskins and Barnes start, should we?

We have to aim for three points so do we err on the side of caution, select a team that shouldn't lose, one capable of scoring on the break, or go all out for the win by selecting a truly attacking team?

This game might not happen, the weather could stop it.
So does our new lad get to play against Birmingham, maybe. For the moment I think we should consider him a non starter and turn our attentions to how we beat Birmingham without him. Vicente has had a further week to improve his fitness, should he start? Barnes opened the scoring in our last, should he start, will CMS be fit enough to start? If Ulloa doesn't get his international clearance thru in time and CMS is not fit, could we see Hoskins and Barnes start, should we? We have to aim for three points so do we err on the side of caution, select a team that shouldn't lose, one capable of scoring on the break, or go all out for the win by selecting a truly attacking team? This game might not happen, the weather could stop it. VegasSeagull
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4:16pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Alfie T says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
So does our new lad get to play against Birmingham, maybe.

For the moment I think we should consider him a non starter and turn our attentions to how we beat Birmingham without him.

Vicente has had a further week to improve his fitness, should he start?

Barnes opened the scoring in our last, should he start, will CMS be fit enough to start?

If Ulloa doesn't get his international clearance thru in time and CMS is not fit, could we see Hoskins and Barnes start, should we?

We have to aim for three points so do we err on the side of caution, select a team that shouldn't lose, one capable of scoring on the break, or go all out for the win by selecting a truly attacking team?

This game might not happen, the weather could stop it.
Not being critical here Vegas, but there is not much of a game plan at all in your post,or perhaps I'm missing a subtle point? Ulloa's impact could be huge if he lives up to his cyclone billing, a season changer like Jason Roberts. Lets wait and see if CMS thrives as most of us want him to do alongside Ulloa. If he doesn't Craig's days could be numbered, I have a gut feeling its gonna be a great combination though.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So does our new lad get to play against Birmingham, maybe. For the moment I think we should consider him a non starter and turn our attentions to how we beat Birmingham without him. Vicente has had a further week to improve his fitness, should he start? Barnes opened the scoring in our last, should he start, will CMS be fit enough to start? If Ulloa doesn't get his international clearance thru in time and CMS is not fit, could we see Hoskins and Barnes start, should we? We have to aim for three points so do we err on the side of caution, select a team that shouldn't lose, one capable of scoring on the break, or go all out for the win by selecting a truly attacking team? This game might not happen, the weather could stop it.[/p][/quote]Not being critical here Vegas, but there is not much of a game plan at all in your post,or perhaps I'm missing a subtle point? Ulloa's impact could be huge if he lives up to his cyclone billing, a season changer like Jason Roberts. Lets wait and see if CMS thrives as most of us want him to do alongside Ulloa. If he doesn't Craig's days could be numbered, I have a gut feeling its gonna be a great combination though. Alfie T
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4:17pm Thu 17 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Dave when I say that 2 million is not, 'spending big,' I say that simply because 2 million for a striker is what I would expect us to spend if we are taking a run at promotion. If the guy delivers 2 million might look like a cheap deal.

We made a loss of 8 million last year but we don't know how thta loss was made up, and we were doing everything from scratch.
Derby also made a loss of 8 million and just look at how long they have been in their stadium. From Withdene to the Amex must have cost us money aside from buying players.

When a club of our standing and with our aspirations for this season my idea of, 'spending big,' on a promotion run would be in the 5 million range.

Ulloa, a midfield power house and a new CB would probably take us to 5 million.
Dave when I say that 2 million is not, 'spending big,' I say that simply because 2 million for a striker is what I would expect us to spend if we are taking a run at promotion. If the guy delivers 2 million might look like a cheap deal. We made a loss of 8 million last year but we don't know how thta loss was made up, and we were doing everything from scratch. Derby also made a loss of 8 million and just look at how long they have been in their stadium. From Withdene to the Amex must have cost us money aside from buying players. When a club of our standing and with our aspirations for this season my idea of, 'spending big,' on a promotion run would be in the 5 million range. Ulloa, a midfield power house and a new CB would probably take us to 5 million. VegasSeagull
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4:21pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Far gull says...

SMF20 wrote:
I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure.

My very genuine question is, Why?

Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt.
Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all.
I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent.

As always, just my opinion.

Uta
Spot on
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure. My very genuine question is, Why? Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt. Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all. I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent. As always, just my opinion. Uta[/p][/quote]Spot on Far gull
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4:24pm Thu 17 Jan 13

IRISHGULL says...

gusset snatcher wrote:
I can't believe the same idiots spending hours posting drivel on here....... don't any of you have jobs?.... no, I thought not
GUSSET THE LEGEND is back. Must be feeling the pressure mate, your lot are dropping points, wilfred is on his way, and transfer dealings sicknote butterfield on loan from norwich. By the time we play you lot at our fantastic amex, i predict we will be above you in the league. And you will never fill slumhurst
[quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: I can't believe the same idiots spending hours posting drivel on here....... don't any of you have jobs?.... no, I thought not[/p][/quote]GUSSET THE LEGEND is back. Must be feeling the pressure mate, your lot are dropping points, wilfred is on his way, and transfer dealings sicknote butterfield on loan from norwich. By the time we play you lot at our fantastic amex, i predict we will be above you in the league. And you will never fill slumhurst IRISHGULL
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4:26pm Thu 17 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

albionfan33 wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure.

My very genuine question is, Why?

Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt.
Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all.
I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent.

As always, just my opinion.

Uta
it seems a good idea im all for attacking teams from the off, but with all that flair would you tell our very effective fullbacks not to get forward for fear of being overran?? i think that is why people want another more defencive minded cm
Perhaps but then we do have the extra defender (almost) in the very able Bridcutt.

Either way, it's all good stuff.

Uta
[quote][p][bold]albionfan33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure. My very genuine question is, Why? Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt. Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all. I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent. As always, just my opinion. Uta[/p][/quote]it seems a good idea im all for attacking teams from the off, but with all that flair would you tell our very effective fullbacks not to get forward for fear of being overran?? i think that is why people want another more defencive minded cm[/p][/quote]Perhaps but then we do have the extra defender (almost) in the very able Bridcutt. Either way, it's all good stuff. Uta SMF20
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4:28pm Thu 17 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

Murray's Mint wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure.

My very genuine question is, Why?

Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt.
Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all.
I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent.

As always, just my opinion.

Uta
All about striking a balance between creativity and caution. Chelsea did indeed flood their midfield with a creative, non-defensive, midfield. But then they threw away a two goal lead against an inferior Southampton team!!!
No accounting for complacency. Gus would never let this happen :)We do have Bridcutt in there too remember.

Uta
[quote][p][bold]Murray's Mint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure. My very genuine question is, Why? Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt. Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all. I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent. As always, just my opinion. Uta[/p][/quote]All about striking a balance between creativity and caution. Chelsea did indeed flood their midfield with a creative, non-defensive, midfield. But then they threw away a two goal lead against an inferior Southampton team!!![/p][/quote]No accounting for complacency. Gus would never let this happen :)We do have Bridcutt in there too remember. Uta SMF20
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5:24pm Thu 17 Jan 13

VegasSeagull says...

Alfie T wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: So does our new lad get to play against Birmingham, maybe. For the moment I think we should consider him a non starter and turn our attentions to how we beat Birmingham without him. Vicente has had a further week to improve his fitness, should he start? Barnes opened the scoring in our last, should he start, will CMS be fit enough to start? If Ulloa doesn't get his international clearance thru in time and CMS is not fit, could we see Hoskins and Barnes start, should we? We have to aim for three points so do we err on the side of caution, select a team that shouldn't lose, one capable of scoring on the break, or go all out for the win by selecting a truly attacking team? This game might not happen, the weather could stop it.
Not being critical here Vegas, but there is not much of a game plan at all in your post,or perhaps I'm missing a subtle point? Ulloa's impact could be huge if he lives up to his cyclone billing, a season changer like Jason Roberts. Lets wait and see if CMS thrives as most of us want him to do alongside Ulloa. If he doesn't Craig's days could be numbered, I have a gut feeling its gonna be a great combination though.
Alfie I really don't have a game plan, none at all. My post was asking questions to find out what you guys think Poyet might do.

I can only offer my thoughts on players by reading the written words of others.
I do try to work out what I think our strengths and weaknesses are, game statistics help with that.

Opinions as to our line up, well I leave that to you guys that are much closer to the action.
[quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So does our new lad get to play against Birmingham, maybe. For the moment I think we should consider him a non starter and turn our attentions to how we beat Birmingham without him. Vicente has had a further week to improve his fitness, should he start? Barnes opened the scoring in our last, should he start, will CMS be fit enough to start? If Ulloa doesn't get his international clearance thru in time and CMS is not fit, could we see Hoskins and Barnes start, should we? We have to aim for three points so do we err on the side of caution, select a team that shouldn't lose, one capable of scoring on the break, or go all out for the win by selecting a truly attacking team? This game might not happen, the weather could stop it.[/p][/quote]Not being critical here Vegas, but there is not much of a game plan at all in your post,or perhaps I'm missing a subtle point? Ulloa's impact could be huge if he lives up to his cyclone billing, a season changer like Jason Roberts. Lets wait and see if CMS thrives as most of us want him to do alongside Ulloa. If he doesn't Craig's days could be numbered, I have a gut feeling its gonna be a great combination though.[/p][/quote]Alfie I really don't have a game plan, none at all. My post was asking questions to find out what you guys think Poyet might do. I can only offer my thoughts on players by reading the written words of others. I do try to work out what I think our strengths and weaknesses are, game statistics help with that. Opinions as to our line up, well I leave that to you guys that are much closer to the action. VegasSeagull
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6:35pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Dr Baldhead wrote:
I'd be happy for us to sell CMS. I don't think he's performed that well in the 18 months we've had him. If another team is willing to pay us what we initially outlaid - or more - I hope the club takes it.

Before anyone says it, I'm not be negative, just offering a different, honest, opinion. I love the Albion and I was chuffed when we first signed CMS, but I just don't think it's worked out for him or BHA quite as we hoped it would.
they havent been playing to his strenghts thats why. CMS is a fantastic player, who would be in my starting eleven every time.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Baldhead[/bold] wrote: I'd be happy for us to sell CMS. I don't think he's performed that well in the 18 months we've had him. If another team is willing to pay us what we initially outlaid - or more - I hope the club takes it. Before anyone says it, I'm not be negative, just offering a different, honest, opinion. I love the Albion and I was chuffed when we first signed CMS, but I just don't think it's worked out for him or BHA quite as we hoped it would.[/p][/quote]they havent been playing to his strenghts thats why. CMS is a fantastic player, who would be in my starting eleven every time. Tony the tiger eastbourne
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6:37pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Dolph Ins says...

I hate negative posts but does the non news that no-one has put an offer in for CMS put him in the shopping window?

I have been reading these threads for 3 years but do not know what uta means. Can someone enlighten me please.
I hate negative posts but does the non news that no-one has put an offer in for CMS put him in the shopping window? I have been reading these threads for 3 years but do not know what uta means. Can someone enlighten me please. Dolph Ins
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6:40pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
heathgate wrote:
Ulloa and CMS up top, with Hoskins on the bench to come on and Orlandi in the hole just behind them with Dobbie to come off the bench as needed. Save some money by shifting Barnes.
And who will do what Barnes does so effectively?
we would more time looking at players who stay on their feet instead of laying on the grass
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: Ulloa and CMS up top, with Hoskins on the bench to come on and Orlandi in the hole just behind them with Dobbie to come off the bench as needed. Save some money by shifting Barnes.[/p][/quote]And who will do what Barnes does so effectively?[/p][/quote]we would more time looking at players who stay on their feet instead of laying on the grass Tony the tiger eastbourne
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6:42pm Thu 17 Jan 13

SMF20 says...

Dolph Ins wrote:
I hate negative posts but does the non news that no-one has put an offer in for CMS put him in the shopping window?

I have been reading these threads for 3 years but do not know what uta means. Can someone enlighten me please.
Up the Albion my friend
[quote][p][bold]Dolph Ins[/bold] wrote: I hate negative posts but does the non news that no-one has put an offer in for CMS put him in the shopping window? I have been reading these threads for 3 years but do not know what uta means. Can someone enlighten me please.[/p][/quote]Up the Albion my friend SMF20
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6:48pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Tony the tiger eastbourne says...

heathgate wrote:
gusset snatcher wrote:
I can't believe the same idiots spending hours posting drivel on here....... don't any of you have jobs?.... no, I thought not
We are sorry m'lud, we didnt realise you were so high brow and important.
we may talk drival about our beloved Albion, but at least we dont talk out of our backsides like you!! Go and play with the traffic!!
[quote][p][bold]heathgate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gusset snatcher[/bold] wrote: I can't believe the same idiots spending hours posting drivel on here....... don't any of you have jobs?.... no, I thought not[/p][/quote]We are sorry m'lud, we didnt realise you were so high brow and important.[/p][/quote]we may talk drival about our beloved Albion, but at least we dont talk out of our backsides like you!! Go and play with the traffic!! Tony the tiger eastbourne
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6:59pm Thu 17 Jan 13

tonytowner1 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Alfie T wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: So does our new lad get to play against Birmingham, maybe. For the moment I think we should consider him a non starter and turn our attentions to how we beat Birmingham without him. Vicente has had a further week to improve his fitness, should he start? Barnes opened the scoring in our last, should he start, will CMS be fit enough to start? If Ulloa doesn't get his international clearance thru in time and CMS is not fit, could we see Hoskins and Barnes start, should we? We have to aim for three points so do we err on the side of caution, select a team that shouldn't lose, one capable of scoring on the break, or go all out for the win by selecting a truly attacking team? This game might not happen, the weather could stop it.
Not being critical here Vegas, but there is not much of a game plan at all in your post,or perhaps I'm missing a subtle point? Ulloa's impact could be huge if he lives up to his cyclone billing, a season changer like Jason Roberts. Lets wait and see if CMS thrives as most of us want him to do alongside Ulloa. If he doesn't Craig's days could be numbered, I have a gut feeling its gonna be a great combination though.
Alfie I really don't have a game plan, none at all. My post was asking questions to find out what you guys think Poyet might do.

I can only offer my thoughts on players by reading the written words of others.
I do try to work out what I think our strengths and weaknesses are, game statistics help with that.

Opinions as to our line up, well I leave that to you guys that are much closer to the action.
This part Vegas has a simple answer:

"We have to aim for three points so do we err on the side of caution, select a team that shouldn't lose, one capable of scoring on the break, or go all out for the win by selecting a truly attacking team?"

A truly attacking team - we have to really go for the throats of these lower teams every time - like Cardiff do for example - we are better than them (Birmingham) - very clearly - sometimes it'll go horribly wrong - but most of the time it won't!!

How does Murray (as the Aussie Open is on!) get on when he is tentative, slices and waits for mistakes - both against lesser players and/ or the Federers? Play to win, attack, put them to the sword - mindset - is Gus our "Lendl"?

besides, it's far m ore fun to watch!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alfie T[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: So does our new lad get to play against Birmingham, maybe. For the moment I think we should consider him a non starter and turn our attentions to how we beat Birmingham without him. Vicente has had a further week to improve his fitness, should he start? Barnes opened the scoring in our last, should he start, will CMS be fit enough to start? If Ulloa doesn't get his international clearance thru in time and CMS is not fit, could we see Hoskins and Barnes start, should we? We have to aim for three points so do we err on the side of caution, select a team that shouldn't lose, one capable of scoring on the break, or go all out for the win by selecting a truly attacking team? This game might not happen, the weather could stop it.[/p][/quote]Not being critical here Vegas, but there is not much of a game plan at all in your post,or perhaps I'm missing a subtle point? Ulloa's impact could be huge if he lives up to his cyclone billing, a season changer like Jason Roberts. Lets wait and see if CMS thrives as most of us want him to do alongside Ulloa. If he doesn't Craig's days could be numbered, I have a gut feeling its gonna be a great combination though.[/p][/quote]Alfie I really don't have a game plan, none at all. My post was asking questions to find out what you guys think Poyet might do. I can only offer my thoughts on players by reading the written words of others. I do try to work out what I think our strengths and weaknesses are, game statistics help with that. Opinions as to our line up, well I leave that to you guys that are much closer to the action.[/p][/quote]This part Vegas has a simple answer: "We have to aim for three points so do we err on the side of caution, select a team that shouldn't lose, one capable of scoring on the break, or go all out for the win by selecting a truly attacking team?" A truly attacking team - we have to really go for the throats of these lower teams every time - like Cardiff do for example - we are better than them (Birmingham) - very clearly - sometimes it'll go horribly wrong - but most of the time it won't!! How does Murray (as the Aussie Open is on!) get on when he is tentative, slices and waits for mistakes - both against lesser players and/ or the Federers? Play to win, attack, put them to the sword - mindset - is Gus our "Lendl"? besides, it's far m ore fun to watch! tonytowner1
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8:24pm Thu 17 Jan 13

WestStander17 says...

SMF20 wrote:
I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure. My very genuine question is, Why? Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt. Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all. I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent. As always, just my opinion. Uta
Gus hates the game being "open". It's why we have conceded the second least goals in the division. It's not because we defend particularly well, it's because we keep the ball, take time out of the game and limit the chances the oppo will get. So, there is no way he will open the team right out like that.

The other thing to bear in mind is that our full-backs get forward all the time. With them forward, it would leave the 2 centre-backs and Bridcutt.

It will be very interesting to see how he will get Ulloa and CMS into the same team. Imho, CMS is not suited to playing deeper. He isn't good enough technically. He needs to be up on the shoulder of the last defender for balls to be played through or flicked onto him. If he plays like that, up top with Ulloa, I would think it would be a wide player or the attacking midfielder that gets sacrificed in a normal situation.

Can't wait to see what Gus has on mind though!!!
[quote][p][bold]SMF20[/bold] wrote: I notice from a lot of posts that people still very much edge on the side of caution when thinking about a starting 11, almost everyone would appear to want Crofts or Hammond in to keep things secure. My very genuine question is, Why? Why can't we flood the midfield with attack minded players given that we already have 6 defensive minders players starting the game in Kuz, Bruno, El abd, Greer, Bridge and Bridcutt. Why can't the other 5 berths available be filled by Orlandi, Buckley, Vicente, Cms and Ulloa? In my mind this gives a great balance between defence and attacking flare and there is certainly no harm in asking these more attack minded guys to defend from the front and track back. These are fit guys after all. I made a point of looking at both Manchester Uniteds and Chelsea's starting midfield s last night and there was not one defence minded midfielder on show. Chelsea's was Infact loaded with supremely talented forward thinking players... Ramirez, Lampard, Oscar, Hazard and Mata. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to go as far as Chelsea but with bridcutt sitting in the hole and the 6 to 5 ratio I mention above, I just wonder why we can't load the other 5 positions with attacking intent. As always, just my opinion. Uta[/p][/quote]Gus hates the game being "open". It's why we have conceded the second least goals in the division. It's not because we defend particularly well, it's because we keep the ball, take time out of the game and limit the chances the oppo will get. So, there is no way he will open the team right out like that. The other thing to bear in mind is that our full-backs get forward all the time. With them forward, it would leave the 2 centre-backs and Bridcutt. It will be very interesting to see how he will get Ulloa and CMS into the same team. Imho, CMS is not suited to playing deeper. He isn't good enough technically. He needs to be up on the shoulder of the last defender for balls to be played through or flicked onto him. If he plays like that, up top with Ulloa, I would think it would be a wide player or the attacking midfielder that gets sacrificed in a normal situation. Can't wait to see what Gus has on mind though!!! WestStander17
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9:57pm Thu 17 Jan 13

Hovite says...

Good post WestStander17, looking forward to what Gus will do too. Interesting times.
Good post WestStander17, looking forward to what Gus will do too. Interesting times. Hovite
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8:58am Fri 18 Jan 13

CanfieldRob says...

Hovite wrote:
bruce beckett wrote:
For all those who persist in riding Ashley Barnes, may I just point out that since he has been restored to the team, we have won three successive games. Without him, we went five without a win.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

He seems to be the one attacking player in our squad capable of tracking back and giving the defensive side of our game some stability. Oh, and of course, he's also capable of scoring a goal or two.

Yes, we have players with a better first touch and greater ball skills, but, right now, Barnes appears to be the glue that holds us together.

He would seem to be the most obvious guy to make way for Ulloa (with CMS playing behind him), but I'm not sure Gus will see it that way.
Gus sees him for the long term future of the Albion and is coaching him to play in any position, left, right, forward, back and upside down.

Gus wouldn't waste his time coaching on this if he didn;t rate Barnes.

He's only 23 and doing a great job in the Championship. Where was Murray at 23? Rochdale.

You improve with experience and this rule works in football too. Every player is learning, thats what humans do.

Apart from the idiots on here, they learn nuffink on a daily basis.
Great post Hovite. I agree with all of It.
[quote][p][bold]Hovite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: For all those who persist in riding Ashley Barnes, may I just point out that since he has been restored to the team, we have won three successive games. Without him, we went five without a win. Coincidence? I don't think so. He seems to be the one attacking player in our squad capable of tracking back and giving the defensive side of our game some stability. Oh, and of course, he's also capable of scoring a goal or two. Yes, we have players with a better first touch and greater ball skills, but, right now, Barnes appears to be the glue that holds us together. He would seem to be the most obvious guy to make way for Ulloa (with CMS playing behind him), but I'm not sure Gus will see it that way.[/p][/quote]Gus sees him for the long term future of the Albion and is coaching him to play in any position, left, right, forward, back and upside down. Gus wouldn't waste his time coaching on this if he didn;t rate Barnes. He's only 23 and doing a great job in the Championship. Where was Murray at 23? Rochdale. You improve with experience and this rule works in football too. Every player is learning, thats what humans do. Apart from the idiots on here, they learn nuffink on a daily basis.[/p][/quote]Great post Hovite. I agree with all of It. CanfieldRob
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9:51am Sat 19 Jan 13

Getreal you lot says...

Or it just might be that he is no good......like a lot of other rubbish that plays for Brighton. It's about time they sold their stadium and moved.
Or it just might be that he is no good......like a lot of other rubbish that plays for Brighton. It's about time they sold their stadium and moved. Getreal you lot
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9:52am Sat 19 Jan 13

Getreal you lot says...

Or maybe other clubs have seen sense.
Or maybe other clubs have seen sense. Getreal you lot
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