How Vicente's comeback chance was missed

9:00am Friday 18th January 2013 in Albion By Andy Naylor

Vicente was left out in the cold after Orlandi failed to make it 3-0 against Derby Vicente was left out in the cold after Orlandi failed to make it 3-0 against Derby

VICENTE’S Albion comeback is creeping ever closer – but he should already have played.

The Spanish playmaker is in the squad again for the game at Birmingham tomorrow after returning from five months out with thigh trouble as an unused substitute in last Saturday’s 2-1 win against Derby at The Amex.

Vicente was primed for a cameo role if fellow countryman Andrea Orlandi had converted a glaring opportunity to score his second goal of the game and put Albion 3-0 up in the second half.

Manager Gus Poyet said: “He has trained all week. I said to Andrea if he had scored the third goal when he had that chance in the second half Vicente would have played for 25 minutes.

“Then they scored, it became a little bit of a tricky situation and I didn’t think it was the right moment to play him, because we need to control the game for Vicente to be important and we were not in control.

“Just to put him on to defend I don’t think is the idea. I am sure there is going to be a time when we play him, either from the beginning giving him an hour or making sure he can play 45 or 30 minutes.”

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saraman says...
9:10am Fri 18 Jan 13

Looks well happy as to say, I don't really want to be here.

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Clean Sheet says...
9:25am Fri 18 Jan 13

Looks to me like someone who is fed up of sitting on the sidelines in the cold, and who wants to get out there on the pitch!

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Albion fan in London says...
9:43am Fri 18 Jan 13

I don't blame him. I actually think he is going to make a massive impact in the play offs...yes I did say playoffs I reckon we will get here and win in the final.... Vicente with a mazey solo run in the 90th minute...I can see it now...anyone buying into this dream?

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russellsnr2 says...
9:46am Fri 18 Jan 13

Online Daly Mirror 18/01/13:- Brighton have made a £2million bid for FC Groningen defender Virgil van Dijk.

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albionfan33 says...
9:54am Fri 18 Jan 13

http://www.express.c
o.uk/posts/view/3715
68/Gus-Poyet-would-m
end-broken-Bridge-at
-Chelsea not part of the thread but an interesting read

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SMF20 says...
9:56am Fri 18 Jan 13

Chalk and cheese springs to mind when looking at the picture attached to this story.
On the one hand you have a chirpy looking chap, smiling and without any protective clothing against the weather aside from a coat and on the other, a guy wrapped up for the winter freeze looking like he would rather be anywhere than where he is.
Guess which is Dicker and which is Vicente? Answers on a postcard to BHAFC, Why am i here competion....

Just a bit of light heartedness of course.

This guy is immensely talented and may well be the difference betweeen us making the garde and not.
I for one want to see him back and playing asap, hopefully with a smile on his face.

Uta

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the taffster says...
10:02am Fri 18 Jan 13

she cant play as its too cold and snowing.

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mikeygit says...
10:03am Fri 18 Jan 13

IF Vicente plays again for Albion I really do hope he comes good---but really with all the other things going on with Albion at ppresent--Ullao etc I have to say that Vicente is rather like 'yesterdays news'--but then agian if V does play and more regularly then I hope I am proved wrong. Have yet to see photo of Vicente smiling---not like most of the others in the squad!!

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Dr Baldhead says...
10:12am Fri 18 Jan 13

I thought that at the time... if we'd gone 3-0 we would have been cruising and I felt Gus would have given Vicente and Hoskins game time. As it was, Albion made it hard for themselves and more defensive minded subs were made.

It's a shame for both players as Hoskins needed the chance to stake his claim ahead of increased competition up front and it would have been easier for Vicente to stroll around against a demoralised derby team than it will be away from home against Brum and Blackburn.

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heathgate says...
10:19am Fri 18 Jan 13

He simply wants to head back to the Med...... wouldnt you given the same circumstances?

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SMF20 says...
10:29am Fri 18 Jan 13

Off topic slightly.

Is anyone in the know regarding Stephen Dobbie?

I was so excited when he signed for us. A class act wherever he has been, GP stating more than once that we would love this guy and of course a 3 year contract.

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tedmonds60@hotmail.com says...
10:32am Fri 18 Jan 13

Brighton have made a £2million bid for FC Groningen defender Virgil van Dijk.
Source the mirror

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russellsnr2 says...
10:32am Fri 18 Jan 13

Seems to me that he, Vicente, has used the club, When we first heard of him coming to B&HA FC he stated all he wanted to do was play football, we all no he has had an injury but as stated above he looks like he does not want to be sitting there never mind wanting to play football. I no people say he is probably the best player ever to play for the Seagulls but that does not make him the best player we have had at the club and again many will have there favorites. The best players IMO are the ones who put the club first, work hard on the pitch and to date we have not really seen Vicente do this. I like many would like to be proved wrong but from what we read on here and the very little we read about Vicente on The Seagulls site I do not hold out to much hope.

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Yogi says...
10:40am Fri 18 Jan 13

SMF20 wrote:
Off topic slightly.

Is anyone in the know regarding Stephen Dobbie?

I was so excited when he signed for us. A class act wherever he has been, GP stating more than once that we would love this guy and of course a 3 year contract.
Rumours of him out to B City/ Palace.

Shame as he hasn't performed in his few chances to shine as he's a far better player than his performances have shown.

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mikeygit says...
10:45am Fri 18 Jan 13

With Dobbie it is a bit of a Catch 22--Gus thought/thinks he is the best thing since 'sliced bread' but when he plays him he does not really perform, so Gus has to drop him. Probably the sort of player who needs some consistent 1st team play but when given the chance he does not come up to the mark. How long do you give someone. Maybe he really does not fit in with BHA??

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SMF20 says...
10:45am Fri 18 Jan 13

Yogi,

I don't know the ins and outs about why it hasn't worked for him here but perhaps he isn't the best in training or perhaps a rumour about his family being unable to settle are the reason.

Like you I think it's a shame as he really is a very good player. I feel for him a bit to be honest.

Good luck to him no matter what.

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markymark03 says...
10:46am Fri 18 Jan 13

I think that people have totally forgotten just how spectacular Vicente is. He is easily the best player in the Championship. If you need a reminder just look up Brighton and Hove Albion Vicente on youtube. The guy is on another planet. If we get four months out of him this season I will be happy. If I were Gus I would leave him out until mid Feb when the weather will be getting better, Why risk his injury again?

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the taffster says...
10:47am Fri 18 Jan 13

i think dobbie will come good.hes scored plenty of goals at blackpool.perservere
nce is the name of the game.and for him its taking his chance when asked to perform.

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SMF20 says...
10:48am Fri 18 Jan 13

mikeygit wrote:
With Dobbie it is a bit of a Catch 22--Gus thought/thinks he is the best thing since 'sliced bread' but when he plays him he does not really perform, so Gus has to drop him. Probably the sort of player who needs some consistent 1st team play but when given the chance he does not come up to the mark. How long do you give someone. Maybe he really does not fit in with BHA??
Do you think the few minutes Dobbie has had are ample to make judgement?

Football is tough these days and instant success seems to be what is required. I just feel that he hasn't had enough opportunity to establish himself.

Tough one to call

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Yogi says...
10:54am Fri 18 Jan 13

SMF20 wrote:
Yogi,

I don't know the ins and outs about why it hasn't worked for him here but perhaps he isn't the best in training or perhaps a rumour about his family being unable to settle are the reason.

Like you I think it's a shame as he really is a very good player. I feel for him a bit to be honest.

Good luck to him no matter what.
Yes, years ago we had a proper Reserve team fixture list but these days it's gone so there are many players who have to rely on their training sessions to impress the boss when often they show more in proper match play.

I used to kick a ball around most days of the week when not playing but, must admit, used to hate training

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dave from bexill says...
10:54am Fri 18 Jan 13

albionfan33 wrote:
http://www.express.c

o.uk/posts/view/3715

68/Gus-Poyet-would-m

end-broken-Bridge-at

-Chelsea not part of the thread but an interesting read
Thanks Albionfan33, but isn't this just a regurgitated piece from the paper to fill some space?

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SMF20 says...
11:01am Fri 18 Jan 13

Yogi wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Yogi,

I don't know the ins and outs about why it hasn't worked for him here but perhaps he isn't the best in training or perhaps a rumour about his family being unable to settle are the reason.

Like you I think it's a shame as he really is a very good player. I feel for him a bit to be honest.

Good luck to him no matter what.
Yes, years ago we had a proper Reserve team fixture list but these days it's gone so there are many players who have to rely on their training sessions to impress the boss when often they show more in proper match play.

I used to kick a ball around most days of the week when not playing but, must admit, used to hate training
Agree 100% I was thinking the same myself.

It does make you wonder why a couple of friendly matches a month aren't knocked up. It would give an opportunity for the fringe players to get a game and impress in a competitive environment whilst also allowing for some of the development squad to get some experience playing with more seasoned pro's.

Nothing I can change though so onwards and upwards

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Hovite says...
11:07am Fri 18 Jan 13

SMF20 wrote:
mikeygit wrote:
With Dobbie it is a bit of a Catch 22--Gus thought/thinks he is the best thing since 'sliced bread' but when he plays him he does not really perform, so Gus has to drop him. Probably the sort of player who needs some consistent 1st team play but when given the chance he does not come up to the mark. How long do you give someone. Maybe he really does not fit in with BHA??
Do you think the few minutes Dobbie has had are ample to make judgement?

Football is tough these days and instant success seems to be what is required. I just feel that he hasn't had enough opportunity to establish himself.

Tough one to call
He has only played a few minutes, I don't think he deserves being executed yet.

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SMF20 says...
11:11am Fri 18 Jan 13

Hovite,

Who's executing him?

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Jonathan Mouette says...
11:14am Fri 18 Jan 13

With the obviously cold (see Vicente pic) weather setting in take a heartwarming look at the article just published on newsnow.co.uk (worth a squint in any case...). Here's your link :

http://www.givemefoo
tball.com/325192-bri
ghton-aiming-to-beat
-arsenal-by-playing-
the-right-way

Now, tell me you don't feel warmer !!!

PS : I would prefer that Ray Wilkins kept his views on GP replacing Rafa at Chelsea to himself, his arguments are a little too convincing... Fingers crossed Roman is looking at his oil wells or gas pipes or whatever...!!!

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Hovite says...
11:20am Fri 18 Jan 13

SMF20 wrote:
Hovite,

Who's executing him?
No one, yet, I'm just agreeing with you that he needs nore time.

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SMF20 says...
11:23am Fri 18 Jan 13

Hovite wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Hovite,

Who's executing him?
No one, yet, I'm just agreeing with you that he needs nore time.
Gotta feel for the guy.

You only have to see a few YouTube clips and have seen him play to see that he really is a very good player.

I hope he stays and proves himself.

Uta

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LACHANCE says...
11:32am Fri 18 Jan 13

The sooner Vicente is back the better will give the team that bit of class.How true is this just seen on web that we have offered 2mil for Virgil Van Dijk from FC Groningen.He is a very good defender.Paul Barber said on radio Sussex that they are trying to get the seats in the North corners ASP so that more fans can get tickets for the Arsenal game and that Arsenal will take all 4,000 away tickets.Looks like a bumper crowd.

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Hovite says...
11:33am Fri 18 Jan 13

SMF20 wrote:
Hovite wrote:
SMF20 wrote:
Hovite,

Who's executing him?
No one, yet, I'm just agreeing with you that he needs nore time.
Gotta feel for the guy.

You only have to see a few YouTube clips and have seen him play to see that he really is a very good player.

I hope he stays and proves himself.

Uta
Yep he is quality, I'm sure he plays a big part in training.

I don't think a player with his experience gets upset at not playing. As long as he is getting paid and turns up to train that's his job.

Getting on the pitch on matchday is just a bonus and is the same at any club.

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heathgate says...
11:59am Fri 18 Jan 13

Keep CMS, Dobbie and Hoskins,.... they are players who can add value,... I believe Vicente wants to move on, let him.

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wiseman of hove says...
12:43pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Ray Wilkins has ben pushing for some weeks to get our manager installed at Chelsea. I heard him on Gary Williams sports radio show on five live about two months ago, suggesting his appointment. I think the speculation is inevitable, particularly with Rafa's current turmoil. Our manager's stock is pretty high but ponder how high it will soar if Arsenal are seen off at the Amex or we get tothe Emirates for a replay. Not just Chelsea might be interested.

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Hovite says...
1:03pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Ray Wilkins was sacked by Chelsea so I'm not sure if Roman will take much notice of him.

Also for Gus to have convinced Bruno, Orlandi, Lopez, Leo and Vicente to work on our project, and then suddenly leave would show a lack of integrity.

In anycase Chelsea are quite happy to sack managers so it could be a high risk pie in the face moment.

Gus will be here at least until the end of next season, and if we get promoted, he will be here for another year.

The better he does with us the bigger the deal he gets when he moves on.

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VegasSeagull says...
1:11pm Fri 18 Jan 13

So many conclusions are being drawn from a split second photo op of Vicente, hardly seems right to me.

To my mind Dobbie is without a role and until he has one he can't be selected. Every point is vital from now to the end of the season, I don't see how we can gamble on Dobbie, maybe next season for him.

2 million bid for Van Dijk, a great move if we can pull it off. From what I have read his club have said any deal for him would not release him until the end of the season. Newcastle are desperate so even if we can persuade his club to let him go now, can we meet the personal terms to compete with Newcastle, Everton are also interested.

Yesterday I said that one player for 2 million was not, 'spending big,' if we get this guy we will be at 4 million plus the Latvian, seems more like it to me.

If Dijk doesn't arrive I guess we can all wait to see who the next CB target is, as there is surely to be one.

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WestStander17 says...
1:23pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Not sure we need to look so deeply into Vicente's expression in the picture. If a photo had been taken of some of us in the stands, I'm sure some would've looked similarly unimpressed with the cold weather!

I for one cannot wait to see Vicente play again. I was old enough to start regularly watching the Albion in the last few years at the Goldstone. You all know what we've all been through since then! Back then I would never had even dreamt that we'd be playing in such a magnificent stadium let alone have the chance to see a player that had graced the Champions League, a player Real Madrid had offered £30m for (and been turned down!!!) playing for us! Even if he only manages another half hour in a Brighton shirt, I think we should all remember where we were 15 years ago and be very very thankful that we have had the opportunity to see such a brilliant player play for us and enjoy every single minute we get to see him.

If he is able to get fit and play even an hour each week, I think our chances of making and winning the play-offs increase incredibly. Just by taking corners, we'd probably score 5 or so more goals! CMS would benefit too. We may never know for sure whether his heart is fully into the cause or not but The Dagger is a class above and even at 75% he'd improve any team in the division.

Olé!

P.S. I'm not his agent!

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VegasSeagull says...
1:42pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Newcastle, Everton and Sunderland are all interested in Van Dijk but it appears we are the only club to have tabled a bid, so far.
If Gus pulls this one off he deserves a new contract and a pay rise. I hope our wage structure does not impede our chances.

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tinker111 says...
2:15pm Fri 18 Jan 13

SMF20 wrote:
Chalk and cheese springs to mind when looking at the picture attached to this story.
On the one hand you have a chirpy looking chap, smiling and without any protective clothing against the weather aside from a coat and on the other, a guy wrapped up for the winter freeze looking like he would rather be anywhere than where he is.
Guess which is Dicker and which is Vicente? Answers on a postcard to BHAFC, Why am i here competion....

Just a bit of light heartedness of course.

This guy is immensely talented and may well be the difference betweeen us making the garde and not.
I for one want to see him back and playing asap, hopefully with a smile on his face.

Uta
GIVE ME DICKER anytime he has BxxLS

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Hovite says...
2:53pm Fri 18 Jan 13

You need to be careful what you say tinker, I didn't know you leaned that way lol

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VegasSeagull says...
3:35pm Fri 18 Jan 13

The general manager of Dijk's club has announced that they have turned down Brighton's 2 million bid.

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Freeloaders says...
6:00pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Well Vicente looked happy to me trainging in the snow on the Amex pitch.Iv got pics to prove it.Time some of you wake up & start understand we are not a Man U,or Chelsea.The club just can't afford to have all these freeloaders on the wage bill doing nothing.If they are not going to be around the first team,or playing their part they need to be out the club & off the wage bill asap.We have not found the only footballers in England that love their wifes or girlfriends.They are just the same as most footballers today.The have the most easy job in the world.The only thing they have to do is play football.His familys not happy down here lol.Really so sad.

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Freeloaders says...
6:07pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Thats Dobbie im talking about.Also let Gus & his staff make their own minds up about Hoskins ok.Like iv said before there is a good reason why know bigger clubs came after him when we did.Yes the lad has some talent thats never been the problem with him.

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Baldseagull says...
6:27pm Fri 18 Jan 13

Freeloaders wrote:
Thats Dobbie im talking about.Also let Gus & his staff make their own minds up about Hoskins ok.Like iv said before there is a good reason why know bigger clubs came after him when we did.Yes the lad has some talent thats never been the problem with him.
Very generous of you to allow Gus and his staff to make up their own minds about Hoskins, but how about letting them do the same with the rest of the players?

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