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Orlandi: We need 11 wins

The Argus: Andrea Orlandi has scored four goals in his last ten games Andrea Orlandi has scored four goals in his last ten games

Andrea Orlandi insists he has got the legs for a play-off push But the Spanish midfielder admits Albion probably need 11 wins from their last 17 matches if they are to finish in the top six.

The Seagulls host Hull City in a televised Championship tussle on Saturday evening with Blackburn due at The Amex next Tuesday.

Albion could be eight points off the top six by the time they kick off at 5.20pm against the Tigers.

Orlandi admitted: “These next two games are fundamental for us. We need six points.

“We have said we need 11 wins and we will go for it.”

Orlandi has revealed he was feeling the pace after his early return from a rib injury.

He was taken off in his first six games back, then left out of the FA Cup tie against Arsenal.

But he managed the full 90 minutes in last Saturday’s defeat at Sheffield Wednesday, when his fourth goal in his last ten games gave the Seagulls hope of a point.

Orlandi said: “It was just the legs. I came back quite early and there were a lot of games.

“Maybe your body doesn’t settle as well as it should but it’s not an excuse. I felt better in the second half on Saturday so I’m quite happy.

“I’ve got a target for myself in terms of goals but I really want to play better football and help the team to the play-offs.”

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9:46am Wed 6 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals..
Over complication is costing us points.
We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals.. Over complication is costing us points. mark by the sea
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9:49am Wed 6 Feb 13

MHubbs says...

I think this Saturdays tie will tell us if we have any shout. We need to be able to beat teams above us to get in the playoffs, in addition to grinding out the results against those below us (which we failed to do last weekend)

Please let Gus play an attacking formation and go for it!

Draw is not what we need at home at this point so we should set up, going for a win 😐
I think this Saturdays tie will tell us if we have any shout. We need to be able to beat teams above us to get in the playoffs, in addition to grinding out the results against those below us (which we failed to do last weekend) Please let Gus play an attacking formation and go for it! Draw is not what we need at home at this point so we should set up, going for a win 😐 MHubbs
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9:57am Wed 6 Feb 13

falmer seagull says...

I agree with above, but Gus says he always plays to win, so no different this week? There is, however, an opportunity with Barnes suspension, either two wingers, two up front or set up to include Vicente; go for it Gus I'm sure the fans are with you!
I agree with above, but Gus says he always plays to win, so no different this week? There is, however, an opportunity with Barnes suspension, either two wingers, two up front or set up to include Vicente; go for it Gus I'm sure the fans are with you! falmer seagull
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10:05am Wed 6 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

mark by the sea wrote:
We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals..
Over complication is costing us points.
What exactly do you mean by over-complication? Exactly how complicated does something have to be before it becomes over-complicated? I never took you for someone who thought they knew better than GP.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals.. Over complication is costing us points.[/p][/quote]What exactly do you mean by over-complication? Exactly how complicated does something have to be before it becomes over-complicated? I never took you for someone who thought they knew better than GP. Old Scrote of the Amex
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10:08am Wed 6 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

PS: I see in our play an elegant 'simplicity' - each player keeps the ball unless they can give it to someone in a better position. If there is no-one suitably placed ahead, they will go sideways and probe elsewhere.
PS: I see in our play an elegant 'simplicity' - each player keeps the ball unless they can give it to someone in a better position. If there is no-one suitably placed ahead, they will go sideways and probe elsewhere. Old Scrote of the Amex
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10:11am Wed 6 Feb 13

WoodingdeanDS says...

I don't think 11 wins will be enough, but let's take a better look at this. We need to overhaul Middlesbrough at least, so we need two more wins than they manage - and we have to go to their place in April, so that's potentially three wins more than them. That's without others having their say in the 6th spot.
My prediction is 9 wins and 4 draws - so 33 pts as per Andrea's 11 wins. 75 Points? Not enough this year I fear.
I don't think 11 wins will be enough, but let's take a better look at this. We need to overhaul Middlesbrough at least, so we need two more wins than they manage - and we have to go to their place in April, so that's potentially three wins more than them. That's without others having their say in the 6th spot. My prediction is 9 wins and 4 draws - so 33 pts as per Andrea's 11 wins. 75 Points? Not enough this year I fear. WoodingdeanDS
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10:12am Wed 6 Feb 13

russellsnr2 says...

We will be lucky to get into the play off position this season. I feel that the club was a little slow in getting players in that we all seem to think we needed (Striker and Defender) in saying that our defense has certainly tightened up from last season.
Seems to me that Gus did not have an eye on promotion this time round but was and is looking at next season for an automatic promotion place. A signing or two in the summer months and we as a club with solid support will be ready to go up and make a good account of ourselves in the premiere div.
We will be lucky to get into the play off position this season. I feel that the club was a little slow in getting players in that we all seem to think we needed (Striker and Defender) in saying that our defense has certainly tightened up from last season. Seems to me that Gus did not have an eye on promotion this time round but was and is looking at next season for an automatic promotion place. A signing or two in the summer months and we as a club with solid support will be ready to go up and make a good account of ourselves in the premiere div. russellsnr2
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10:18am Wed 6 Feb 13

Gibseagull says...

We need to replicate the way we played against Bolton but ensure we also score a few goals too. That said, and based on our form over the last 15-20 games getting 11 wins from our remaining games is a tall order.
We need to replicate the way we played against Bolton but ensure we also score a few goals too. That said, and based on our form over the last 15-20 games getting 11 wins from our remaining games is a tall order. Gibseagull
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10:23am Wed 6 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals..
Over complication is costing us points.
What exactly do you mean by over-complication? Exactly how complicated does something have to be before it becomes over-complicated? I never took you for someone who thought they knew better than GP.
We give to much respect to sides, especially at the Amex, Gus in my opinion picks sides tactically, the Blackburn away a perfect example.
I personally think that's over complicating team selection, to much respect to sides , means we change our team far to much. Blackburn having a poor season, we pick a side without cms starting? Gus admitted he got that one wrong, he has done it several times.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals.. Over complication is costing us points.[/p][/quote]What exactly do you mean by over-complication? Exactly how complicated does something have to be before it becomes over-complicated? I never took you for someone who thought they knew better than GP.[/p][/quote]We give to much respect to sides, especially at the Amex, Gus in my opinion picks sides tactically, the Blackburn away a perfect example. I personally think that's over complicating team selection, to much respect to sides , means we change our team far to much. Blackburn having a poor season, we pick a side without cms starting? Gus admitted he got that one wrong, he has done it several times. mark by the sea
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10:23am Wed 6 Feb 13

7Rookie says...

mark by the sea wrote:
We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals..
Over complication is costing us points.
The football we play is not complicated. We create chances it is frankly poor finishing that is costing us hopefully with Ulloa that will be solved.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals.. Over complication is costing us points.[/p][/quote]The football we play is not complicated. We create chances it is frankly poor finishing that is costing us hopefully with Ulloa that will be solved. 7Rookie
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10:30am Wed 6 Feb 13

Hovite says...

We have just got to carry on as we are, but get better at it.
We have just got to carry on as we are, but get better at it. Hovite
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10:31am Wed 6 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals..
Over complication is costing us points.
What exactly do you mean by over-complication? Exactly how complicated does something have to be before it becomes over-complicated? I never took you for someone who thought they knew better than GP.
We give to much respect to sides, especially at the Amex, Gus in my opinion picks sides tactically, the Blackburn away a perfect example.
I personally think that's over complicating team selection, to much respect to sides , means we change our team far to much. Blackburn having a poor season, we pick a side without cms starting? Gus admitted he got that one wrong, he has done it several times.
Of course Gus picks his sides tactically based on the opposition - to do otherwise is folly. Of course he gets it wrong every now and then, but to not even try? We are not the best side in this division, so 'letting the opposition worry about us' is hubris.

As 7Rookie says above, it is not the tactics that has let us down, it's not taking our chances and killing off teams when we have them by the throat.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals.. Over complication is costing us points.[/p][/quote]What exactly do you mean by over-complication? Exactly how complicated does something have to be before it becomes over-complicated? I never took you for someone who thought they knew better than GP.[/p][/quote]We give to much respect to sides, especially at the Amex, Gus in my opinion picks sides tactically, the Blackburn away a perfect example. I personally think that's over complicating team selection, to much respect to sides , means we change our team far to much. Blackburn having a poor season, we pick a side without cms starting? Gus admitted he got that one wrong, he has done it several times.[/p][/quote]Of course Gus picks his sides tactically based on the opposition - to do otherwise is folly. Of course he gets it wrong every now and then, but to not even try? We are not the best side in this division, so 'letting the opposition worry about us' is hubris. As 7Rookie says above, it is not the tactics that has let us down, it's not taking our chances and killing off teams when we have them by the throat. Old Scrote of the Amex
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10:37am Wed 6 Feb 13

MHubbs says...

russellsnr2 wrote:
We will be lucky to get into the play off position this season. I feel that the club was a little slow in getting players in that we all seem to think we needed (Striker and Defender) in saying that our defense has certainly tightened up from last season.
Seems to me that Gus did not have an eye on promotion this time round but was and is looking at next season for an automatic promotion place. A signing or two in the summer months and we as a club with solid support will be ready to go up and make a good account of ourselves in the premiere div.
I would agree with Russell up to a point regarding Gus's view preseason.

But we were top of the league at one point (lest we forget) before the goals dried up. We were playing good football and dominating sides every week at the Amex. If we had a 20 goals a season striker on board in October I think we would have stayed up around the top 3.

As it is, we now need an exceptional finish just to make 5 or 6. I have felt for some time that we would finish around 9 or 10th come the finish. None the less, all the time we are in with an outside shout the team can still believe and keep pressing.

The footballs good enough. If the goals go in there is an outside chance, but on balance I agree with Russell that making good changes in the summer will give us out best chance next year if we can hang on to Bridcutt and a couple of other key players.

Win the next 2 games and then we might dream of the playoffs👀
[quote][p][bold]russellsnr2[/bold] wrote: We will be lucky to get into the play off position this season. I feel that the club was a little slow in getting players in that we all seem to think we needed (Striker and Defender) in saying that our defense has certainly tightened up from last season. Seems to me that Gus did not have an eye on promotion this time round but was and is looking at next season for an automatic promotion place. A signing or two in the summer months and we as a club with solid support will be ready to go up and make a good account of ourselves in the premiere div.[/p][/quote]I would agree with Russell up to a point regarding Gus's view preseason. But we were top of the league at one point (lest we forget) before the goals dried up. We were playing good football and dominating sides every week at the Amex. If we had a 20 goals a season striker on board in October I think we would have stayed up around the top 3. As it is, we now need an exceptional finish just to make 5 or 6. I have felt for some time that we would finish around 9 or 10th come the finish. None the less, all the time we are in with an outside shout the team can still believe and keep pressing. The footballs good enough. If the goals go in there is an outside chance, but on balance I agree with Russell that making good changes in the summer will give us out best chance next year if we can hang on to Bridcutt and a couple of other key players. Win the next 2 games and then we might dream of the playoffs👀 MHubbs
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10:46am Wed 6 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals..
Over complication is costing us points.
What exactly do you mean by over-complication? Exactly how complicated does something have to be before it becomes over-complicated? I never took you for someone who thought they knew better than GP.
We give to much respect to sides, especially at the Amex, Gus in my opinion picks sides tactically, the Blackburn away a perfect example.
I personally think that's over complicating team selection, to much respect to sides , means we change our team far to much. Blackburn having a poor season, we pick a side without cms starting? Gus admitted he got that one wrong, he has done it several times.
Of course Gus picks his sides tactically based on the opposition - to do otherwise is folly. Of course he gets it wrong every now and then, but to not even try? We are not the best side in this division, so 'letting the opposition worry about us' is hubris.

As 7Rookie says above, it is not the tactics that has let us down, it's not taking our chances and killing off teams when we have them by the throat.
If we are the best side in the division, pick a side to win, so many times Gus has pulled out a surprise selection that frankly did not work, yes pick a team to counter another sides strength or weakness , but doing so against poor sides has cost us.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals.. Over complication is costing us points.[/p][/quote]What exactly do you mean by over-complication? Exactly how complicated does something have to be before it becomes over-complicated? I never took you for someone who thought they knew better than GP.[/p][/quote]We give to much respect to sides, especially at the Amex, Gus in my opinion picks sides tactically, the Blackburn away a perfect example. I personally think that's over complicating team selection, to much respect to sides , means we change our team far to much. Blackburn having a poor season, we pick a side without cms starting? Gus admitted he got that one wrong, he has done it several times.[/p][/quote]Of course Gus picks his sides tactically based on the opposition - to do otherwise is folly. Of course he gets it wrong every now and then, but to not even try? We are not the best side in this division, so 'letting the opposition worry about us' is hubris. As 7Rookie says above, it is not the tactics that has let us down, it's not taking our chances and killing off teams when we have them by the throat.[/p][/quote]If we are the best side in the division, pick a side to win, so many times Gus has pulled out a surprise selection that frankly did not work, yes pick a team to counter another sides strength or weakness , but doing so against poor sides has cost us. mark by the sea
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10:51am Wed 6 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

But MBTS, we are NOT the best side in the division! Gus, I have no doubt, picks whichever team and tactics he believes has the best chance in THAT particular match. Gus likes to exert control on games, so picking an all-out attacking side is never going to happen, as it exposes too much soft underbelly.
But MBTS, we are NOT the best side in the division! Gus, I have no doubt, picks whichever team and tactics he believes has the best chance in THAT particular match. Gus likes to exert control on games, so picking an all-out attacking side is never going to happen, as it exposes too much soft underbelly. Old Scrote of the Amex
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10:59am Wed 6 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
But MBTS, we are NOT the best side in the division! Gus, I have no doubt, picks whichever team and tactics he believes has the best chance in THAT particular match. Gus likes to exert control on games, so picking an all-out attacking side is never going to happen, as it exposes too much soft underbelly.
What was his thinking on Blackburn away? In my mind, a side fragile with fans not content! His selection was negative .. Maybe he lacks faith in our defending? We are the best footballing side in the division, we convert far to few chances, and lack pace in midfield, his selection of crofts, Hammond ... Leaving dicker out has been baffling at times.
It's all about opinions.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: But MBTS, we are NOT the best side in the division! Gus, I have no doubt, picks whichever team and tactics he believes has the best chance in THAT particular match. Gus likes to exert control on games, so picking an all-out attacking side is never going to happen, as it exposes too much soft underbelly.[/p][/quote]What was his thinking on Blackburn away? In my mind, a side fragile with fans not content! His selection was negative .. Maybe he lacks faith in our defending? We are the best footballing side in the division, we convert far to few chances, and lack pace in midfield, his selection of crofts, Hammond ... Leaving dicker out has been baffling at times. It's all about opinions. mark by the sea
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11:19am Wed 6 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

I think he IS concerned about our defence, or rather the lack of pace through the middle of it, hence trying to protect it. Crofts/Hammond give more protection, Dicker gives us more options going forward. It's a balance, and unsurprisingly, playing away at an expensively constructed (if previously underperforming) side, Gus chose to go a touch defensive. He is not the first manage to do that.
I think he IS concerned about our defence, or rather the lack of pace through the middle of it, hence trying to protect it. Crofts/Hammond give more protection, Dicker gives us more options going forward. It's a balance, and unsurprisingly, playing away at an expensively constructed (if previously underperforming) side, Gus chose to go a touch defensive. He is not the first manage to do that. Old Scrote of the Amex
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11:23am Wed 6 Feb 13

tug509 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals..
Over complication is costing us points.
What exactly do you mean by over-complication? Exactly how complicated does something have to be before it becomes over-complicated? I never took you for someone who thought they knew better than GP.
We give to much respect to sides, especially at the Amex, Gus in my opinion picks sides tactically, the Blackburn away a perfect example.
I personally think that's over complicating team selection, to much respect to sides , means we change our team far to much. Blackburn having a poor season, we pick a side without cms starting? Gus admitted he got that one wrong, he has done it several times.
Totally agree mbts,the more components you add to something,the more there is to go wrong,sometimes the easiest and more direct way is the best way. UTA
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals.. Over complication is costing us points.[/p][/quote]What exactly do you mean by over-complication? Exactly how complicated does something have to be before it becomes over-complicated? I never took you for someone who thought they knew better than GP.[/p][/quote]We give to much respect to sides, especially at the Amex, Gus in my opinion picks sides tactically, the Blackburn away a perfect example. I personally think that's over complicating team selection, to much respect to sides , means we change our team far to much. Blackburn having a poor season, we pick a side without cms starting? Gus admitted he got that one wrong, he has done it several times.[/p][/quote]Totally agree mbts,the more components you add to something,the more there is to go wrong,sometimes the easiest and more direct way is the best way. UTA tug509
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11:35am Wed 6 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

tug509 wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals..
Over complication is costing us points.
What exactly do you mean by over-complication? Exactly how complicated does something have to be before it becomes over-complicated? I never took you for someone who thought they knew better than GP.
We give to much respect to sides, especially at the Amex, Gus in my opinion picks sides tactically, the Blackburn away a perfect example.
I personally think that's over complicating team selection, to much respect to sides , means we change our team far to much. Blackburn having a poor season, we pick a side without cms starting? Gus admitted he got that one wrong, he has done it several times.
Totally agree mbts,the more components you add to something,the more there is to go wrong,sometimes the easiest and more direct way is the best way. UTA
It's not complicated, it's just passing the ball and not letting the other team have it :-)
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals.. Over complication is costing us points.[/p][/quote]What exactly do you mean by over-complication? Exactly how complicated does something have to be before it becomes over-complicated? I never took you for someone who thought they knew better than GP.[/p][/quote]We give to much respect to sides, especially at the Amex, Gus in my opinion picks sides tactically, the Blackburn away a perfect example. I personally think that's over complicating team selection, to much respect to sides , means we change our team far to much. Blackburn having a poor season, we pick a side without cms starting? Gus admitted he got that one wrong, he has done it several times.[/p][/quote]Totally agree mbts,the more components you add to something,the more there is to go wrong,sometimes the easiest and more direct way is the best way. UTA[/p][/quote]It's not complicated, it's just passing the ball and not letting the other team have it :-) Old Scrote of the Amex
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11:36am Wed 6 Feb 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

There won't be any surprises on Saturday evening... Hull will come to press high, stop us from building from the back... Nothing new, they have done it before (as have others, and profited) so we know what to expect... so tactically we should be ready (shouldn't we?). Let's wait and see... Fingers crossed.
There won't be any surprises on Saturday evening... Hull will come to press high, stop us from building from the back... Nothing new, they have done it before (as have others, and profited) so we know what to expect... so tactically we should be ready (shouldn't we?). Let's wait and see... Fingers crossed. Jonathan Mouette
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11:44am Wed 6 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
I think he IS concerned about our defence, or rather the lack of pace through the middle of it, hence trying to protect it. Crofts/Hammond give more protection, Dicker gives us more options going forward. It's a balance, and unsurprisingly, playing away at an expensively constructed (if previously underperforming) side, Gus chose to go a touch defensive. He is not the first manage to do that.
It's easy for fans after games to say what was wrong, but some selections have been more about the oposition than about us, yes you have to take other sides pro and cons, but that must not alter your own sides ability to win the game. I also agree squad rotation is a good idea, only thing is players coming in must be as capable as those they replace, or your throwing away possible points.
Bit like last year when he slated the FA for only allowing 5 subs, and how it would damage youth players coming through! This year 7 subs, and only the lad march on the bench, who you could say was in the area Gus had mention the previous year.
Time we concentrated on what we do on the pitch, and for some what they do off it.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: I think he IS concerned about our defence, or rather the lack of pace through the middle of it, hence trying to protect it. Crofts/Hammond give more protection, Dicker gives us more options going forward. It's a balance, and unsurprisingly, playing away at an expensively constructed (if previously underperforming) side, Gus chose to go a touch defensive. He is not the first manage to do that.[/p][/quote]It's easy for fans after games to say what was wrong, but some selections have been more about the oposition than about us, yes you have to take other sides pro and cons, but that must not alter your own sides ability to win the game. I also agree squad rotation is a good idea, only thing is players coming in must be as capable as those they replace, or your throwing away possible points. Bit like last year when he slated the FA for only allowing 5 subs, and how it would damage youth players coming through! This year 7 subs, and only the lad march on the bench, who you could say was in the area Gus had mention the previous year. Time we concentrated on what we do on the pitch, and for some what they do off it. mark by the sea
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11:51am Wed 6 Feb 13

tug509 says...

I know its not complicated Old Scrote,and i can see your point,my gripe is about the amount of time a build up play takes us,by the time we are in a position for an effort on goal we have allowed them to recover,and they have ten men back behind the ball!. UTA
I know its not complicated Old Scrote,and i can see your point,my gripe is about the amount of time a build up play takes us,by the time we are in a position for an effort on goal we have allowed them to recover,and they have ten men back behind the ball!. UTA tug509
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12:22pm Wed 6 Feb 13

mr punch says...

we are in a position where we have to go for a win in every single game now, basically that means scoring more than the opposition. Yes, I know that is stating the obvious but teams constantly set up against us to make us continue with the crab game (going sideways) and it's time to get a bit more agressive in our attacking play. The Hull game is a must win, no doubt about it and surely we are due to give someone a good whacking so let's start now.
I have been positive and optimistic all season and remain so. Unless we go goal mad the auto places are out of our reach bt the play-off's are still there in what is a highly entertaining division. Gus has to take the shackles off some players and go for it big time now, I would rather see Vicente start rather than come off the bench on a rescue mission, if he allows us to get ahead then come off, so be it but whatever happens, we can't afford any more poor soporific displays.
Personally, the ultimate end to the season will be beating P-P-P... them.. in the play-off final. You know you all want it! UTA
we are in a position where we have to go for a win in every single game now, basically that means scoring more than the opposition. Yes, I know that is stating the obvious but teams constantly set up against us to make us continue with the crab game (going sideways) and it's time to get a bit more agressive in our attacking play. The Hull game is a must win, no doubt about it and surely we are due to give someone a good whacking so let's start now. I have been positive and optimistic all season and remain so. Unless we go goal mad the auto places are out of our reach bt the play-off's are still there in what is a highly entertaining division. Gus has to take the shackles off some players and go for it big time now, I would rather see Vicente start rather than come off the bench on a rescue mission, if he allows us to get ahead then come off, so be it but whatever happens, we can't afford any more poor soporific displays. Personally, the ultimate end to the season will be beating P-P-P... them.. in the play-off final. You know you all want it! UTA mr punch
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12:25pm Wed 6 Feb 13

GosportGull says...

We build play too slow and too predicitable .. when was the last time we hit a team on the counter attack ? And for all of you who say , we are not about that we are not a counter attack team .. well we have the pace to do it with Buckley , Lua Lua and CMS ..but it just wont happen because of our stiffling tactics ... I am all in favour of the passing game , its good to watch ..but we go sideways more than forwards too much , its too predicatable and teams press high up the field and we end up getting bogged down ...
That said , i think we have the quality players now to really open up teams and win games ... if we play a little more attack minded instead of defensive ... play to our strengths and not to counter other teams..especially at home !

On another issue , really good to see us trying to bring in youngsters with talent , all looking good for the future as i think GG and Adam have worked wonders but are slowing up a bit of late .... Hope we get the Dutch lad .. He will be an asset for the future ....
We build play too slow and too predicitable .. when was the last time we hit a team on the counter attack ? And for all of you who say , we are not about that we are not a counter attack team .. well we have the pace to do it with Buckley , Lua Lua and CMS ..but it just wont happen because of our stiffling tactics ... I am all in favour of the passing game , its good to watch ..but we go sideways more than forwards too much , its too predicatable and teams press high up the field and we end up getting bogged down ... That said , i think we have the quality players now to really open up teams and win games ... if we play a little more attack minded instead of defensive ... play to our strengths and not to counter other teams..especially at home ! On another issue , really good to see us trying to bring in youngsters with talent , all looking good for the future as i think GG and Adam have worked wonders but are slowing up a bit of late .... Hope we get the Dutch lad .. He will be an asset for the future .... GosportGull
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12:30pm Wed 6 Feb 13

dave from bexill says...

Over the months I keep seeing on here that we are the best team in our league. Obviously that's a nice thought, but very much a matter of opinion and probably supporters of at least a dozen clubs have the same thoughts about their own sides. Realistically, I would think it's difficult to argue against those who think Cardiff are the best team, but for certain we will all know come May.
Over the months I keep seeing on here that we are the best team in our league. Obviously that's a nice thought, but very much a matter of opinion and probably supporters of at least a dozen clubs have the same thoughts about their own sides. Realistically, I would think it's difficult to argue against those who think Cardiff are the best team, but for certain we will all know come May. dave from bexill
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12:39pm Wed 6 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Over the months I keep seeing on here that we are the best team in our league. Obviously that's a nice thought, but very much a matter of opinion and probably supporters of at least a dozen clubs have the same thoughts about their own sides. Realistically, I would think it's difficult to argue against those who think Cardiff are the best team, but for certain we will all know come May.
Best team or best football? We play great football, but lack a change of pace to our game, we need to up the tempo in our passing, we can't ponder and allow sides to pin our defenders into mistakes, we need to move the ball forward quicker, that's not hoofing it, but arsenal did it without the ball coming off the turf.
Buckley needs to find his form, since Gus said he was worth a fortune his game has gone to pot. Or is the loss of Bruno the factor?
Hammond needs to get involved more.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: Over the months I keep seeing on here that we are the best team in our league. Obviously that's a nice thought, but very much a matter of opinion and probably supporters of at least a dozen clubs have the same thoughts about their own sides. Realistically, I would think it's difficult to argue against those who think Cardiff are the best team, but for certain we will all know come May.[/p][/quote]Best team or best football? We play great football, but lack a change of pace to our game, we need to up the tempo in our passing, we can't ponder and allow sides to pin our defenders into mistakes, we need to move the ball forward quicker, that's not hoofing it, but arsenal did it without the ball coming off the turf. Buckley needs to find his form, since Gus said he was worth a fortune his game has gone to pot. Or is the loss of Bruno the factor? Hammond needs to get involved more. mark by the sea
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12:51pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Far gull says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Over the months I keep seeing on here that we are the best team in our league. Obviously that's a nice thought, but very much a matter of opinion and probably supporters of at least a dozen clubs have the same thoughts about their own sides. Realistically, I would think it's difficult to argue against those who think Cardiff are the best team, but for certain we will all know come May.
Yes fully agree. We are not the top team in the league where we are in the table is about right .
Got to go fot it on saturday we all know that. We have been undoubtedly unlucky in some games at hm but consistency in all areas has been missing a little.
Back to the main thread good to hear albeit 2 wks late that andrea was unfit for the arsenal game , that was forced on gus rather than i thought was a gus tinkering. Apologies Gus.
We on here just aren't in possesion of all the facts annoyingly :-)
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: Over the months I keep seeing on here that we are the best team in our league. Obviously that's a nice thought, but very much a matter of opinion and probably supporters of at least a dozen clubs have the same thoughts about their own sides. Realistically, I would think it's difficult to argue against those who think Cardiff are the best team, but for certain we will all know come May.[/p][/quote]Yes fully agree. We are not the top team in the league where we are in the table is about right . Got to go fot it on saturday we all know that. We have been undoubtedly unlucky in some games at hm but consistency in all areas has been missing a little. Back to the main thread good to hear albeit 2 wks late that andrea was unfit for the arsenal game , that was forced on gus rather than i thought was a gus tinkering. Apologies Gus. We on here just aren't in possesion of all the facts annoyingly :-) Far gull
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1:08pm Wed 6 Feb 13

pte says...

people have said that the passing game is overcomplicated and gets us nowhere when often we have to go sideways and back more often than not. But if we whave to go sideways and backwards, isnt that through a defficiency of the playing staff and the management? Players not being organised, getting into the right positions and picking the right pass or having the ability to make that pass.

I can see us just creeping into the last playoff spot but not doing anything in them. Cant see us getting past either Watford or Palace and I would think Gus unlike the fans dreads the thought of a Palace final and Glen Murrey or Dobie scoring the winning goal.

The Only hope is that the Argie can score a hatfull and give Gus the opportunity to mix it up just a little bit. Quite a few Prem teams mix it up even though they are considered "footballing" clubs
people have said that the passing game is overcomplicated and gets us nowhere when often we have to go sideways and back more often than not. But if we whave to go sideways and backwards, isnt that through a defficiency of the playing staff and the management? Players not being organised, getting into the right positions and picking the right pass or having the ability to make that pass. I can see us just creeping into the last playoff spot but not doing anything in them. Cant see us getting past either Watford or Palace and I would think Gus unlike the fans dreads the thought of a Palace final and Glen Murrey or Dobie scoring the winning goal. The Only hope is that the Argie can score a hatfull and give Gus the opportunity to mix it up just a little bit. Quite a few Prem teams mix it up even though they are considered "footballing" clubs pte
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1:12pm Wed 6 Feb 13

LesBerry says...

So many experts - if only Gus read this site then I am sure he would know what to do !!!

All we need now is to hear from VegasSeagull with his insight on how we perform on the pitch every week - from Las Vegas ??? then I am sure Gus would be able to work out the best way of getting automatic promotion, let alone play-off's..
So many experts - if only Gus read this site then I am sure he would know what to do !!! All we need now is to hear from VegasSeagull with his insight on how we perform on the pitch every week - from Las Vegas ??? then I am sure Gus would be able to work out the best way of getting automatic promotion, let alone play-off's.. LesBerry
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1:13pm Wed 6 Feb 13

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Sack Poyet. Recruit Zola.
Sack Poyet. Recruit Zola. PressBoxTeaBoy
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1:14pm Wed 6 Feb 13

ballantrrae says...

GosportGull wrote:
We build play too slow and too predicitable .. when was the last time we hit a team on the counter attack ? And for all of you who say , we are not about that we are not a counter attack team .. well we have the pace to do it with Buckley , Lua Lua and CMS ..but it just wont happen because of our stiffling tactics ... I am all in favour of the passing game , its good to watch ..but we go sideways more than forwards too much , its too predicatable and teams press high up the field and we end up getting bogged down ...
That said , i think we have the quality players now to really open up teams and win games ... if we play a little more attack minded instead of defensive ... play to our strengths and not to counter other teams..especially at home !

On another issue , really good to see us trying to bring in youngsters with talent , all looking good for the future as i think GG and Adam have worked wonders but are slowing up a bit of late .... Hope we get the Dutch lad .. He will be an asset for the future ....
I agree GosportGull that generally we move the ball forward to slowly. When we move the ball quickly as we did against Arsenal for Ulloa's goal we look good and make the game look simple.
Our possession style is great but it needs more variety ie we need to move the ball forward quickly more frequently than we do at present.
Russellsrn2 I agree with your thought about signing a couple of players in the Summer but I am concerned at the number of players who will be out of contract or whose loans will have ended eg Greer, Hammond, Bridge, Hoskins, David, Vicente, as well as Calde & Dicker (I think), Painter, Barnes and I am not sure about El Arb and of course Upson. In addition there is Brezovan and possibly Ankergren. I may have got one or two wrong but it looks as if the squad might be very different by next August.
Thoughts anyone ?
[quote][p][bold]GosportGull[/bold] wrote: We build play too slow and too predicitable .. when was the last time we hit a team on the counter attack ? And for all of you who say , we are not about that we are not a counter attack team .. well we have the pace to do it with Buckley , Lua Lua and CMS ..but it just wont happen because of our stiffling tactics ... I am all in favour of the passing game , its good to watch ..but we go sideways more than forwards too much , its too predicatable and teams press high up the field and we end up getting bogged down ... That said , i think we have the quality players now to really open up teams and win games ... if we play a little more attack minded instead of defensive ... play to our strengths and not to counter other teams..especially at home ! On another issue , really good to see us trying to bring in youngsters with talent , all looking good for the future as i think GG and Adam have worked wonders but are slowing up a bit of late .... Hope we get the Dutch lad .. He will be an asset for the future ....[/p][/quote]I agree GosportGull that generally we move the ball forward to slowly. When we move the ball quickly as we did against Arsenal for Ulloa's goal we look good and make the game look simple. Our possession style is great but it needs more variety ie we need to move the ball forward quickly more frequently than we do at present. Russellsrn2 I agree with your thought about signing a couple of players in the Summer but I am concerned at the number of players who will be out of contract or whose loans will have ended eg Greer, Hammond, Bridge, Hoskins, David, Vicente, as well as Calde & Dicker (I think), Painter, Barnes and I am not sure about El Arb and of course Upson. In addition there is Brezovan and possibly Ankergren. I may have got one or two wrong but it looks as if the squad might be very different by next August. Thoughts anyone ? ballantrrae
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1:15pm Wed 6 Feb 13

pte says...

Well the Hull match will either confirm the doubters or leave us with egg on our face
Well the Hull match will either confirm the doubters or leave us with egg on our face pte
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1:25pm Wed 6 Feb 13

brightonup says...

I agree that the Hull game is crucial. I think even the more optimistic fans would lose some hope of the playoffs if we don't get three points on Saturday. We have been profligate all season - we may pay for it......
I agree that the Hull game is crucial. I think even the more optimistic fans would lose some hope of the playoffs if we don't get three points on Saturday. We have been profligate all season - we may pay for it...... brightonup
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2:51pm Wed 6 Feb 13

WestStander17 says...

GosportGull wrote:
We build play too slow and too predicitable .. when was the last time we hit a team on the counter attack ? And for all of you who say , we are not about that we are not a counter attack team .. well we have the pace to do it with Buckley , Lua Lua and CMS ..but it just wont happen because of our stiffling tactics ... I am all in favour of the passing game , its good to watch ..but we go sideways more than forwards too much , its too predicatable and teams press high up the field and we end up getting bogged down ... That said , i think we have the quality players now to really open up teams and win games ... if we play a little more attack minded instead of defensive ... play to our strengths and not to counter other teams..especially at home ! On another issue , really good to see us trying to bring in youngsters with talent , all looking good for the future as i think GG and Adam have worked wonders but are slowing up a bit of late .... Hope we get the Dutch lad .. He will be an asset for the future ....
One question to ask you GosportGull and others that have said similar....

Would you rather play as we do, building up slowly, keeping the ball and trying to pick our way through an organised defence.....

OR

Attack quicker, attempt more expansive forward passes with some success but often losing the ball and having to defend because the oppo has the ball far more often?

Its been mentioned our defence might not be the strongest so surely the less time we are defending for the better. Yes, building up slowly allows the oppo to retreat and get organised but I sit a lot easier in my padded seat when we are keeping possession than I do when the other team have the ball!

In most games, especially at home, creating chances hasn't been a problem, its been taking them that's the issue. Hopefully, Ulloa will improve that problem.

If anyone feels frustrated when we are passing it slowly across the back 4, into midfield and back again, just see it as time we aren't defending. Simples!
[quote][p][bold]GosportGull[/bold] wrote: We build play too slow and too predicitable .. when was the last time we hit a team on the counter attack ? And for all of you who say , we are not about that we are not a counter attack team .. well we have the pace to do it with Buckley , Lua Lua and CMS ..but it just wont happen because of our stiffling tactics ... I am all in favour of the passing game , its good to watch ..but we go sideways more than forwards too much , its too predicatable and teams press high up the field and we end up getting bogged down ... That said , i think we have the quality players now to really open up teams and win games ... if we play a little more attack minded instead of defensive ... play to our strengths and not to counter other teams..especially at home ! On another issue , really good to see us trying to bring in youngsters with talent , all looking good for the future as i think GG and Adam have worked wonders but are slowing up a bit of late .... Hope we get the Dutch lad .. He will be an asset for the future ....[/p][/quote]One question to ask you GosportGull and others that have said similar.... Would you rather play as we do, building up slowly, keeping the ball and trying to pick our way through an organised defence..... OR Attack quicker, attempt more expansive forward passes with some success but often losing the ball and having to defend because the oppo has the ball far more often? Its been mentioned our defence might not be the strongest so surely the less time we are defending for the better. Yes, building up slowly allows the oppo to retreat and get organised but I sit a lot easier in my padded seat when we are keeping possession than I do when the other team have the ball! In most games, especially at home, creating chances hasn't been a problem, its been taking them that's the issue. Hopefully, Ulloa will improve that problem. If anyone feels frustrated when we are passing it slowly across the back 4, into midfield and back again, just see it as time we aren't defending. Simples! WestStander17
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3:00pm Wed 6 Feb 13

pappaK says...

LesBerry wrote:
So many experts - if only Gus read this site then I am sure he would know what to do !!!

All we need now is to hear from VegasSeagull with his insight on how we perform on the pitch every week - from Las Vegas ??? then I am sure Gus would be able to work out the best way of getting automatic promotion, let alone play-off's..
Mate,how can a person 8000 miles away ,unable to watch a match every home game give an insight to how the team should perform.
All Ex pats can do is read opinions and then give their opinions on the read opinions.
LesBerry are you being sarcastic????? in your blog
The best insight is to go to the matches,talk to the people around you,get the feel of the debate,best place is in the bar after the match ,you get the best feel from what people are thinking,lots are relevent,lots not,but you do not dare to try bullying people .Too much emphasis seems to be on rhetoric and battalogy here
Too many Wannabe football Pundits.
Too many Wannabe football Journalists
Too many with lots of time on their hands smother this site with their IMHO
Tony and his backers will do what is best for the club.
Gus will do what he thinks is best for the club.Anything any one says will fall on deaf ears.
If anyone thinks they can do better ,put your CV in
I don`t judge, God does.
I`m the one who makes the appointment.
Football is like a drama
The Amex the stage
Players are the actors
Gus is the Director
Will he win the Oscar ???
[quote][p][bold]LesBerry[/bold] wrote: So many experts - if only Gus read this site then I am sure he would know what to do !!! All we need now is to hear from VegasSeagull with his insight on how we perform on the pitch every week - from Las Vegas ??? then I am sure Gus would be able to work out the best way of getting automatic promotion, let alone play-off's..[/p][/quote]Mate,how can a person 8000 miles away ,unable to watch a match every home game give an insight to how the team should perform. All Ex pats can do is read opinions and then give their opinions on the read opinions. LesBerry are you being sarcastic????? in your blog The best insight is to go to the matches,talk to the people around you,get the feel of the debate,best place is in the bar after the match ,you get the best feel from what people are thinking,lots are relevent,lots not,but you do not dare to try bullying people .Too much emphasis seems to be on rhetoric and battalogy here Too many Wannabe football Pundits. Too many Wannabe football Journalists Too many with lots of time on their hands smother this site with their IMHO Tony and his backers will do what is best for the club. Gus will do what he thinks is best for the club.Anything any one says will fall on deaf ears. If anyone thinks they can do better ,put your CV in I don`t judge, God does. I`m the one who makes the appointment. Football is like a drama The Amex the stage Players are the actors Gus is the Director Will he win the Oscar ??? pappaK
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3:22pm Wed 6 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

LesBerry, the weather in North Las Vegas is pleasant right now, we should see close to 70f today. We will see a drop in temperatures over the next few days due to a few rain clouds moving in.

There was a shooting close to the strip last night, two deaths resulted and the incident was thought to be gang related.

I would comment on the weather in Brighton but how would I know anythiong about that. I guess I could also comment on the armed man that Sussex police arrested but again, how would I know anything about that.

If only I had a computer where I could look these things up, read official reports and what fans are saying.
Witht his internet thingy wouldn't you think that newspapers, television stations and maybe even the clubs would provide information, wouldn't that be good.

Well I guess I will just have to rely on my imagination and dream up results and performance reports.

Wait a minute Les, I am forgetting something, perhaps I could use this new invention, I am sure you have heard of it, it's called the, telephone. Maybe I could call family and friends who attend matches, perhaps they could tell me about the games, yeah that would work.
LesBerry, the weather in North Las Vegas is pleasant right now, we should see close to 70f today. We will see a drop in temperatures over the next few days due to a few rain clouds moving in. There was a shooting close to the strip last night, two deaths resulted and the incident was thought to be gang related. I would comment on the weather in Brighton but how would I know anythiong about that. I guess I could also comment on the armed man that Sussex police arrested but again, how would I know anything about that. If only I had a computer where I could look these things up, read official reports and what fans are saying. Witht his internet thingy wouldn't you think that newspapers, television stations and maybe even the clubs would provide information, wouldn't that be good. Well I guess I will just have to rely on my imagination and dream up results and performance reports. Wait a minute Les, I am forgetting something, perhaps I could use this new invention, I am sure you have heard of it, it's called the, telephone. Maybe I could call family and friends who attend matches, perhaps they could tell me about the games, yeah that would work. VegasSeagull
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3:35pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Clean Sheet says...

I think the "lets see where we are after the next 5 games" brigade are about right. If we are averaging 2 points a game over the next 5, and gaining momentum, then I will start to feel a bit more confident about the play offs. It is not unusual for 1 team to emerge from the pack with a good run at this time of year. It would be most unusual for the current top 6 to reamin to the season end.
I think the "lets see where we are after the next 5 games" brigade are about right. If we are averaging 2 points a game over the next 5, and gaining momentum, then I will start to feel a bit more confident about the play offs. It is not unusual for 1 team to emerge from the pack with a good run at this time of year. It would be most unusual for the current top 6 to reamin to the season end. Clean Sheet
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3:36pm Wed 6 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

pappaK wrote:
LesBerry wrote:
So many experts - if only Gus read this site then I am sure he would know what to do !!!

All we need now is to hear from VegasSeagull with his insight on how we perform on the pitch every week - from Las Vegas ??? then I am sure Gus would be able to work out the best way of getting automatic promotion, let alone play-off's..
Mate,how can a person 8000 miles away ,unable to watch a match every home game give an insight to how the team should perform.
All Ex pats can do is read opinions and then give their opinions on the read opinions.
LesBerry are you being sarcastic????? in your blog
The best insight is to go to the matches,talk to the people around you,get the feel of the debate,best place is in the bar after the match ,you get the best feel from what people are thinking,lots are relevent,lots not,but you do not dare to try bullying people .Too much emphasis seems to be on rhetoric and battalogy here
Too many Wannabe football Pundits.
Too many Wannabe football Journalists
Too many with lots of time on their hands smother this site with their IMHO
Tony and his backers will do what is best for the club.
Gus will do what he thinks is best for the club.Anything any one says will fall on deaf ears.
If anyone thinks they can do better ,put your CV in
I don`t judge, God does.
I`m the one who makes the appointment.
Football is like a drama
The Amex the stage
Players are the actors
Gus is the Director
Will he win the Oscar ???
Think you miss the one thing in your list, the one reason we went to withdean, watched some of the worst football in the worst conditions, paying well over the odds.. It's called passion, I have supported the Albion since my brother took me to a evening game when I was about 8, over 40 years ago, I was fortunate to see us play at wembley, drove with friends over night to see us win at Newcastle.. Passion is what drives us to do it, it's not a soap .
[quote][p][bold]pappaK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LesBerry[/bold] wrote: So many experts - if only Gus read this site then I am sure he would know what to do !!! All we need now is to hear from VegasSeagull with his insight on how we perform on the pitch every week - from Las Vegas ??? then I am sure Gus would be able to work out the best way of getting automatic promotion, let alone play-off's..[/p][/quote]Mate,how can a person 8000 miles away ,unable to watch a match every home game give an insight to how the team should perform. All Ex pats can do is read opinions and then give their opinions on the read opinions. LesBerry are you being sarcastic????? in your blog The best insight is to go to the matches,talk to the people around you,get the feel of the debate,best place is in the bar after the match ,you get the best feel from what people are thinking,lots are relevent,lots not,but you do not dare to try bullying people .Too much emphasis seems to be on rhetoric and battalogy here Too many Wannabe football Pundits. Too many Wannabe football Journalists Too many with lots of time on their hands smother this site with their IMHO Tony and his backers will do what is best for the club. Gus will do what he thinks is best for the club.Anything any one says will fall on deaf ears. If anyone thinks they can do better ,put your CV in I don`t judge, God does. I`m the one who makes the appointment. Football is like a drama The Amex the stage Players are the actors Gus is the Director Will he win the Oscar ???[/p][/quote]Think you miss the one thing in your list, the one reason we went to withdean, watched some of the worst football in the worst conditions, paying well over the odds.. It's called passion, I have supported the Albion since my brother took me to a evening game when I was about 8, over 40 years ago, I was fortunate to see us play at wembley, drove with friends over night to see us win at Newcastle.. Passion is what drives us to do it, it's not a soap . mark by the sea
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3:36pm Wed 6 Feb 13

GosportGull says...

WestStander17 wrote:
GosportGull wrote: We build play too slow and too predicitable .. when was the last time we hit a team on the counter attack ? And for all of you who say , we are not about that we are not a counter attack team .. well we have the pace to do it with Buckley , Lua Lua and CMS ..but it just wont happen because of our stiffling tactics ... I am all in favour of the passing game , its good to watch ..but we go sideways more than forwards too much , its too predicatable and teams press high up the field and we end up getting bogged down ... That said , i think we have the quality players now to really open up teams and win games ... if we play a little more attack minded instead of defensive ... play to our strengths and not to counter other teams..especially at home ! On another issue , really good to see us trying to bring in youngsters with talent , all looking good for the future as i think GG and Adam have worked wonders but are slowing up a bit of late .... Hope we get the Dutch lad .. He will be an asset for the future ....
One question to ask you GosportGull and others that have said similar.... Would you rather play as we do, building up slowly, keeping the ball and trying to pick our way through an organised defence..... OR Attack quicker, attempt more expansive forward passes with some success but often losing the ball and having to defend because the oppo has the ball far more often? Its been mentioned our defence might not be the strongest so surely the less time we are defending for the better. Yes, building up slowly allows the oppo to retreat and get organised but I sit a lot easier in my padded seat when we are keeping possession than I do when the other team have the ball! In most games, especially at home, creating chances hasn't been a problem, its been taking them that's the issue. Hopefully, Ulloa will improve that problem. If anyone feels frustrated when we are passing it slowly across the back 4, into midfield and back again, just see it as time we aren't defending. Simples!
I know what you mean Westander.. In answer to your question , i have no problem with the passing game as i stated earlier but we just need more creativity in midfield or maybe more movement up front and then the forward pass as opposed to the backwards and sideways pass would be more on than not ..I think the addition of Vicente would probably give us that inspiration and as it looks doubtful that he will be at the club next year , we may as well play him now ...

It would be nice to see some counter attacking football sometimes ..but yes i do agree if we are holding the ball ..all be it for long periods in our own half and along the back four , we are in control... we just need options .. either the wingers or the full backs getting forward or the midfield seeing forward runs from the strikers ...sorry STRIKER ! Don't get me started lol ...

I think we will get the last play off place but we will have to finish the season really well ...and up the tempo of our game ... If we played like we did against Arsenal every game , we would easily be top 6 ... i dont know why one game we look sensational and then another we dont look like we could score or even create a chance all match ....

I think alot of this is down to Gus to change .. we wont go down but we wont get promoted at this rate .. Imho..we should throw some caution to the wind and play CMS and ULLOA upfront ..have Hoskins playing behind them and Hammond, Vicente and Bridcutt play the midfield. Bring on either Buckley or Lua Lua in the second half when teams are getting tired and whip in as many crosses as possible ... Thats just MY opinion and doesnt count for much except i love my club and want us to do well .... GG
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GosportGull[/bold] wrote: We build play too slow and too predicitable .. when was the last time we hit a team on the counter attack ? And for all of you who say , we are not about that we are not a counter attack team .. well we have the pace to do it with Buckley , Lua Lua and CMS ..but it just wont happen because of our stiffling tactics ... I am all in favour of the passing game , its good to watch ..but we go sideways more than forwards too much , its too predicatable and teams press high up the field and we end up getting bogged down ... That said , i think we have the quality players now to really open up teams and win games ... if we play a little more attack minded instead of defensive ... play to our strengths and not to counter other teams..especially at home ! On another issue , really good to see us trying to bring in youngsters with talent , all looking good for the future as i think GG and Adam have worked wonders but are slowing up a bit of late .... Hope we get the Dutch lad .. He will be an asset for the future ....[/p][/quote]One question to ask you GosportGull and others that have said similar.... Would you rather play as we do, building up slowly, keeping the ball and trying to pick our way through an organised defence..... OR Attack quicker, attempt more expansive forward passes with some success but often losing the ball and having to defend because the oppo has the ball far more often? Its been mentioned our defence might not be the strongest so surely the less time we are defending for the better. Yes, building up slowly allows the oppo to retreat and get organised but I sit a lot easier in my padded seat when we are keeping possession than I do when the other team have the ball! In most games, especially at home, creating chances hasn't been a problem, its been taking them that's the issue. Hopefully, Ulloa will improve that problem. If anyone feels frustrated when we are passing it slowly across the back 4, into midfield and back again, just see it as time we aren't defending. Simples![/p][/quote]I know what you mean Westander.. In answer to your question , i have no problem with the passing game as i stated earlier but we just need more creativity in midfield or maybe more movement up front and then the forward pass as opposed to the backwards and sideways pass would be more on than not ..I think the addition of Vicente would probably give us that inspiration and as it looks doubtful that he will be at the club next year , we may as well play him now ... It would be nice to see some counter attacking football sometimes ..but yes i do agree if we are holding the ball ..all be it for long periods in our own half and along the back four , we are in control... we just need options .. either the wingers or the full backs getting forward or the midfield seeing forward runs from the strikers ...sorry STRIKER ! Don't get me started lol ... I think we will get the last play off place but we will have to finish the season really well ...and up the tempo of our game ... If we played like we did against Arsenal every game , we would easily be top 6 ... i dont know why one game we look sensational and then another we dont look like we could score or even create a chance all match .... I think alot of this is down to Gus to change .. we wont go down but we wont get promoted at this rate .. Imho..we should throw some caution to the wind and play CMS and ULLOA upfront ..have Hoskins playing behind them and Hammond, Vicente and Bridcutt play the midfield. Bring on either Buckley or Lua Lua in the second half when teams are getting tired and whip in as many crosses as possible ... Thats just MY opinion and doesnt count for much except i love my club and want us to do well .... GG GosportGull
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3:44pm Wed 6 Feb 13

tug509 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
LesBerry, the weather in North Las Vegas is pleasant right now, we should see close to 70f today. We will see a drop in temperatures over the next few days due to a few rain clouds moving in.

There was a shooting close to the strip last night, two deaths resulted and the incident was thought to be gang related.

I would comment on the weather in Brighton but how would I know anythiong about that. I guess I could also comment on the armed man that Sussex police arrested but again, how would I know anything about that.

If only I had a computer where I could look these things up, read official reports and what fans are saying.
Witht his internet thingy wouldn't you think that newspapers, television stations and maybe even the clubs would provide information, wouldn't that be good.

Well I guess I will just have to rely on my imagination and dream up results and performance reports.

Wait a minute Les, I am forgetting something, perhaps I could use this new invention, I am sure you have heard of it, it's called the, telephone. Maybe I could call family and friends who attend matches, perhaps they could tell me about the games, yeah that would work.
You might not be the Messiah,but your a very naughty boy.....brilliant. UTA
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: LesBerry, the weather in North Las Vegas is pleasant right now, we should see close to 70f today. We will see a drop in temperatures over the next few days due to a few rain clouds moving in. There was a shooting close to the strip last night, two deaths resulted and the incident was thought to be gang related. I would comment on the weather in Brighton but how would I know anythiong about that. I guess I could also comment on the armed man that Sussex police arrested but again, how would I know anything about that. If only I had a computer where I could look these things up, read official reports and what fans are saying. Witht his internet thingy wouldn't you think that newspapers, television stations and maybe even the clubs would provide information, wouldn't that be good. Well I guess I will just have to rely on my imagination and dream up results and performance reports. Wait a minute Les, I am forgetting something, perhaps I could use this new invention, I am sure you have heard of it, it's called the, telephone. Maybe I could call family and friends who attend matches, perhaps they could tell me about the games, yeah that would work.[/p][/quote]You might not be the Messiah,but your a very naughty boy.....brilliant. UTA tug509
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3:46pm Wed 6 Feb 13

tug509 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
pappaK wrote:
LesBerry wrote:
So many experts - if only Gus read this site then I am sure he would know what to do !!!

All we need now is to hear from VegasSeagull with his insight on how we perform on the pitch every week - from Las Vegas ??? then I am sure Gus would be able to work out the best way of getting automatic promotion, let alone play-off's..
Mate,how can a person 8000 miles away ,unable to watch a match every home game give an insight to how the team should perform.
All Ex pats can do is read opinions and then give their opinions on the read opinions.
LesBerry are you being sarcastic????? in your blog
The best insight is to go to the matches,talk to the people around you,get the feel of the debate,best place is in the bar after the match ,you get the best feel from what people are thinking,lots are relevent,lots not,but you do not dare to try bullying people .Too much emphasis seems to be on rhetoric and battalogy here
Too many Wannabe football Pundits.
Too many Wannabe football Journalists
Too many with lots of time on their hands smother this site with their IMHO
Tony and his backers will do what is best for the club.
Gus will do what he thinks is best for the club.Anything any one says will fall on deaf ears.
If anyone thinks they can do better ,put your CV in
I don`t judge, God does.
I`m the one who makes the appointment.
Football is like a drama
The Amex the stage
Players are the actors
Gus is the Director
Will he win the Oscar ???
Think you miss the one thing in your list, the one reason we went to withdean, watched some of the worst football in the worst conditions, paying well over the odds.. It's called passion, I have supported the Albion since my brother took me to a evening game when I was about 8, over 40 years ago, I was fortunate to see us play at wembley, drove with friends over night to see us win at Newcastle.. Passion is what drives us to do it, it's not a soap .
Excellent. UTA
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pappaK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LesBerry[/bold] wrote: So many experts - if only Gus read this site then I am sure he would know what to do !!! All we need now is to hear from VegasSeagull with his insight on how we perform on the pitch every week - from Las Vegas ??? then I am sure Gus would be able to work out the best way of getting automatic promotion, let alone play-off's..[/p][/quote]Mate,how can a person 8000 miles away ,unable to watch a match every home game give an insight to how the team should perform. All Ex pats can do is read opinions and then give their opinions on the read opinions. LesBerry are you being sarcastic????? in your blog The best insight is to go to the matches,talk to the people around you,get the feel of the debate,best place is in the bar after the match ,you get the best feel from what people are thinking,lots are relevent,lots not,but you do not dare to try bullying people .Too much emphasis seems to be on rhetoric and battalogy here Too many Wannabe football Pundits. Too many Wannabe football Journalists Too many with lots of time on their hands smother this site with their IMHO Tony and his backers will do what is best for the club. Gus will do what he thinks is best for the club.Anything any one says will fall on deaf ears. If anyone thinks they can do better ,put your CV in I don`t judge, God does. I`m the one who makes the appointment. Football is like a drama The Amex the stage Players are the actors Gus is the Director Will he win the Oscar ???[/p][/quote]Think you miss the one thing in your list, the one reason we went to withdean, watched some of the worst football in the worst conditions, paying well over the odds.. It's called passion, I have supported the Albion since my brother took me to a evening game when I was about 8, over 40 years ago, I was fortunate to see us play at wembley, drove with friends over night to see us win at Newcastle.. Passion is what drives us to do it, it's not a soap .[/p][/quote]Excellent. UTA tug509
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4:04pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

pappaK wrote:
LesBerry wrote:
So many experts - if only Gus read this site then I am sure he would know what to do !!!

All we need now is to hear from VegasSeagull with his insight on how we perform on the pitch every week - from Las Vegas ??? then I am sure Gus would be able to work out the best way of getting automatic promotion, let alone play-off's..
Mate,how can a person 8000 miles away ,unable to watch a match every home game give an insight to how the team should perform.
All Ex pats can do is read opinions and then give their opinions on the read opinions.
LesBerry are you being sarcastic????? in your blog
The best insight is to go to the matches,talk to the people around you,get the feel of the debate,best place is in the bar after the match ,you get the best feel from what people are thinking,lots are relevent,lots not,but you do not dare to try bullying people .Too much emphasis seems to be on rhetoric and battalogy here
Too many Wannabe football Pundits.
Too many Wannabe football Journalists
Too many with lots of time on their hands smother this site with their IMHO
Tony and his backers will do what is best for the club.
Gus will do what he thinks is best for the club.Anything any one says will fall on deaf ears.
If anyone thinks they can do better ,put your CV in
I don`t judge, God does.
I`m the one who makes the appointment.
Football is like a drama
The Amex the stage
Players are the actors
Gus is the Director
Will he win the Oscar ???
Maybe you can also join in the debate about our club when you return back to Earth?
[quote][p][bold]pappaK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LesBerry[/bold] wrote: So many experts - if only Gus read this site then I am sure he would know what to do !!! All we need now is to hear from VegasSeagull with his insight on how we perform on the pitch every week - from Las Vegas ??? then I am sure Gus would be able to work out the best way of getting automatic promotion, let alone play-off's..[/p][/quote]Mate,how can a person 8000 miles away ,unable to watch a match every home game give an insight to how the team should perform. All Ex pats can do is read opinions and then give their opinions on the read opinions. LesBerry are you being sarcastic????? in your blog The best insight is to go to the matches,talk to the people around you,get the feel of the debate,best place is in the bar after the match ,you get the best feel from what people are thinking,lots are relevent,lots not,but you do not dare to try bullying people .Too much emphasis seems to be on rhetoric and battalogy here Too many Wannabe football Pundits. Too many Wannabe football Journalists Too many with lots of time on their hands smother this site with their IMHO Tony and his backers will do what is best for the club. Gus will do what he thinks is best for the club.Anything any one says will fall on deaf ears. If anyone thinks they can do better ,put your CV in I don`t judge, God does. I`m the one who makes the appointment. Football is like a drama The Amex the stage Players are the actors Gus is the Director Will he win the Oscar ???[/p][/quote]Maybe you can also join in the debate about our club when you return back to Earth? Old Scrote of the Amex
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4:26pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Neville says...

Looking at last 17 fixtures:
Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L
Burnley W Hudd W B/City D
Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D
Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D
Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W
Leeds L Wolves W

Not enough points I fear what do others think
Looking at last 17 fixtures: Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L Burnley W Hudd W B/City D Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W Leeds L Wolves W Not enough points I fear what do others think Neville
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5:02pm Wed 6 Feb 13

LACHANCE says...

Neville wrote:
Looking at last 17 fixtures:
Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L
Burnley W Hudd W B/City D
Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D
Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D
Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W
Leeds L Wolves W

Not enough points I fear what do others think
Anything can happen.One cannot take any game for granted.We could win the lot but we could also loose the lot.How often do the papers get the results correct about 35% when they are lucky.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at last 17 fixtures: Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L Burnley W Hudd W B/City D Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W Leeds L Wolves W Not enough points I fear what do others think[/p][/quote]Anything can happen.One cannot take any game for granted.We could win the lot but we could also loose the lot.How often do the papers get the results correct about 35% when they are lucky. LACHANCE
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5:23pm Wed 6 Feb 13

saraman says...

LACHANCE wrote:
Neville wrote: Looking at last 17 fixtures: Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L Burnley W Hudd W B/City D Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W Leeds L Wolves W Not enough points I fear what do others think
Anything can happen.One cannot take any game for granted.We could win the lot but we could also loose the lot.How often do the papers get the results correct about 35% when they are lucky.
I'm going to have a fiver on us winning the next 5 games. Why? I believe it's now *hit or bust.
[quote][p][bold]LACHANCE[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at last 17 fixtures: Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L Burnley W Hudd W B/City D Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W Leeds L Wolves W Not enough points I fear what do others think[/p][/quote]Anything can happen.One cannot take any game for granted.We could win the lot but we could also loose the lot.How often do the papers get the results correct about 35% when they are lucky.[/p][/quote]I'm going to have a fiver on us winning the next 5 games. Why? I believe it's now *hit or bust. saraman
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5:27pm Wed 6 Feb 13

ballantrrae says...

Neville wrote:
Looking at last 17 fixtures:
Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L
Burnley W Hudd W B/City D
Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D
Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D
Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W
Leeds L Wolves W

Not enough points I fear what do others think
Neville up to the Sheffield game we averaged 1 1/2 points per game. If we hit the same average over the last 16 we would get another 24. Being optimistic (which I rarely am with televised games) for Saturday and we beat Hull we would end up with 69 points but fail to reach the play-offs. However if we start turning some of those draws into wins we might pick up another 6 to 8 points and make the top six.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at last 17 fixtures: Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L Burnley W Hudd W B/City D Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W Leeds L Wolves W Not enough points I fear what do others think[/p][/quote]Neville up to the Sheffield game we averaged 1 1/2 points per game. If we hit the same average over the last 16 we would get another 24. Being optimistic (which I rarely am with televised games) for Saturday and we beat Hull we would end up with 69 points but fail to reach the play-offs. However if we start turning some of those draws into wins we might pick up another 6 to 8 points and make the top six. ballantrrae
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5:27pm Wed 6 Feb 13

championshipgull says...

Neville wrote:
Looking at last 17 fixtures:
Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L
Burnley W Hudd W B/City D
Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D
Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D
Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W
Leeds L Wolves W

Not enough points I fear what do others think
Not bad call Neville, all we would have to do is turn the palace game into a win and it would give us 75 points, which should be enough. Also note we don’t need the win on Saturday
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at last 17 fixtures: Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L Burnley W Hudd W B/City D Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W Leeds L Wolves W Not enough points I fear what do others think[/p][/quote]Not bad call Neville, all we would have to do is turn the palace game into a win and it would give us 75 points, which should be enough. Also note we don’t need the win on Saturday championshipgull
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5:37pm Wed 6 Feb 13

dave from bexill says...

Neville wrote:
Looking at last 17 fixtures:
Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L
Burnley W Hudd W B/City D
Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D
Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D
Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W
Leeds L Wolves W

Not enough points I fear what do others think
I don't think I'll ask you to fill in my Littlewoods coupon after all.
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at last 17 fixtures: Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L Burnley W Hudd W B/City D Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W Leeds L Wolves W Not enough points I fear what do others think[/p][/quote]I don't think I'll ask you to fill in my Littlewoods coupon after all. dave from bexill
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5:40pm Wed 6 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

For those who would have a pop at expats, and me in particular I would remind you of a few things.

1. We are all fans no matter where we live.
2. Yes you guys have more insight than we do because you get to go to the matches, well lucky you.
3. Apart from seeing the matches we get to find out exactly what you do.
4. You guys comment on away matches, matches most of you don't get to see, that makes us even.
5. Yes us expats may play what might be called, fantasy football or manager for the day, but don't we all do that, isn't that what chat sites are all about.
6. To have an opinion on what you don't actualy see, relying on other's reports, doesn't always make the opinion worthless, we all watch news reports on things other than sport, and we all form opinons based on those reports.
7. Some on here say that some of us have, 'too much time on our hands,' well pardon us for being at an age where we do have a lot of spare time.
8. By making some of the comments that you do, qiestioning whether our comments are valid based on the fact that we don't get to see the matches, smacks of eliteism on your part, how dare we have an opinion if we don't get to the Amex.
9. Evaluating written reports, pulling from them the salient pooints is a profession for many people all over the world. You really shouldn't decry those that have this ability as for some of us it's how we make our living.
10. Your love of our club is no stronger than ours, if anyhting it is easier for you. Try walking in our shoes for a while, think about how you feel when you are away on vacation and can only read written reports. We have that feeling every day.
For those who would have a pop at expats, and me in particular I would remind you of a few things. 1. We are all fans no matter where we live. 2. Yes you guys have more insight than we do because you get to go to the matches, well lucky you. 3. Apart from seeing the matches we get to find out exactly what you do. 4. You guys comment on away matches, matches most of you don't get to see, that makes us even. 5. Yes us expats may play what might be called, fantasy football or manager for the day, but don't we all do that, isn't that what chat sites are all about. 6. To have an opinion on what you don't actualy see, relying on other's reports, doesn't always make the opinion worthless, we all watch news reports on things other than sport, and we all form opinons based on those reports. 7. Some on here say that some of us have, 'too much time on our hands,' well pardon us for being at an age where we do have a lot of spare time. 8. By making some of the comments that you do, qiestioning whether our comments are valid based on the fact that we don't get to see the matches, smacks of eliteism on your part, how dare we have an opinion if we don't get to the Amex. 9. Evaluating written reports, pulling from them the salient pooints is a profession for many people all over the world. You really shouldn't decry those that have this ability as for some of us it's how we make our living. 10. Your love of our club is no stronger than ours, if anyhting it is easier for you. Try walking in our shoes for a while, think about how you feel when you are away on vacation and can only read written reports. We have that feeling every day. VegasSeagull
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5:56pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Freeloaders says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
I think he IS concerned about our defence, or rather the lack of pace through the middle of it, hence trying to protect it. Crofts/Hammond give more protection, Dicker gives us more options going forward. It's a balance, and unsurprisingly, playing away at an expensively constructed (if previously underperforming) side, Gus chose to go a touch defensive. He is not the first manage to do that.
Outstanding post.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: I think he IS concerned about our defence, or rather the lack of pace through the middle of it, hence trying to protect it. Crofts/Hammond give more protection, Dicker gives us more options going forward. It's a balance, and unsurprisingly, playing away at an expensively constructed (if previously underperforming) side, Gus chose to go a touch defensive. He is not the first manage to do that.[/p][/quote]Outstanding post. Freeloaders
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5:58pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Freeloaders says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
But MBTS, we are NOT the best side in the division! Gus, I have no doubt, picks whichever team and tactics he believes has the best chance in THAT particular match. Gus likes to exert control on games, so picking an all-out attacking side is never going to happen, as it exposes too much soft underbelly.
Outstanding yet again.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: But MBTS, we are NOT the best side in the division! Gus, I have no doubt, picks whichever team and tactics he believes has the best chance in THAT particular match. Gus likes to exert control on games, so picking an all-out attacking side is never going to happen, as it exposes too much soft underbelly.[/p][/quote]Outstanding yet again. Freeloaders
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6:02pm Wed 6 Feb 13

raymondo999 says...

What a great set of posts. Yesteryear this would have been a good nights rabbit down the pub, but can't manage that these days, so just read what you guys say. Keep it up. Just one quibble, I'm a football fan not just a bha fan, am I welcome here. Get a lot of dirty looks when I clap good football by the away side at the Amex.
What a great set of posts. Yesteryear this would have been a good nights rabbit down the pub, but can't manage that these days, so just read what you guys say. Keep it up. Just one quibble, I'm a football fan not just a bha fan, am I welcome here. Get a lot of dirty looks when I clap good football by the away side at the Amex. raymondo999
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6:07pm Wed 6 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

raymondo999 wrote:
What a great set of posts. Yesteryear this would have been a good nights rabbit down the pub, but can't manage that these days, so just read what you guys say. Keep it up. Just one quibble, I'm a football fan not just a bha fan, am I welcome here. Get a lot of dirty looks when I clap good football by the away side at the Amex.
Ray good football is good football no matter who displays it, you keep clapping mate.
[quote][p][bold]raymondo999[/bold] wrote: What a great set of posts. Yesteryear this would have been a good nights rabbit down the pub, but can't manage that these days, so just read what you guys say. Keep it up. Just one quibble, I'm a football fan not just a bha fan, am I welcome here. Get a lot of dirty looks when I clap good football by the away side at the Amex.[/p][/quote]Ray good football is good football no matter who displays it, you keep clapping mate. VegasSeagull
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6:08pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Freeloaders says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
LesBerry, the weather in North Las Vegas is pleasant right now, we should see close to 70f today. We will see a drop in temperatures over the next few days due to a few rain clouds moving in.

There was a shooting close to the strip last night, two deaths resulted and the incident was thought to be gang related.

I would comment on the weather in Brighton but how would I know anythiong about that. I guess I could also comment on the armed man that Sussex police arrested but again, how would I know anything about that.

If only I had a computer where I could look these things up, read official reports and what fans are saying.
Witht his internet thingy wouldn't you think that newspapers, television stations and maybe even the clubs would provide information, wouldn't that be good.

Well I guess I will just have to rely on my imagination and dream up results and performance reports.

Wait a minute Les, I am forgetting something, perhaps I could use this new invention, I am sure you have heard of it, it's called the, telephone. Maybe I could call family and friends who attend matches, perhaps they could tell me about the games, yeah that would work.
Don't let them get to you Vegas.Like i said before its here for everyone to use and say what they feel.If we all thought the same there would be know point in the site.You keep going my son.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: LesBerry, the weather in North Las Vegas is pleasant right now, we should see close to 70f today. We will see a drop in temperatures over the next few days due to a few rain clouds moving in. There was a shooting close to the strip last night, two deaths resulted and the incident was thought to be gang related. I would comment on the weather in Brighton but how would I know anythiong about that. I guess I could also comment on the armed man that Sussex police arrested but again, how would I know anything about that. If only I had a computer where I could look these things up, read official reports and what fans are saying. Witht his internet thingy wouldn't you think that newspapers, television stations and maybe even the clubs would provide information, wouldn't that be good. Well I guess I will just have to rely on my imagination and dream up results and performance reports. Wait a minute Les, I am forgetting something, perhaps I could use this new invention, I am sure you have heard of it, it's called the, telephone. Maybe I could call family and friends who attend matches, perhaps they could tell me about the games, yeah that would work.[/p][/quote]Don't let them get to you Vegas.Like i said before its here for everyone to use and say what they feel.If we all thought the same there would be know point in the site.You keep going my son. Freeloaders
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6:11pm Wed 6 Feb 13

saraman says...

raymondo999 wrote:
What a great set of posts. Yesteryear this would have been a good nights rabbit down the pub, but can't manage that these days, so just read what you guys say. Keep it up. Just one quibble, I'm a football fan not just a bha fan, am I welcome here. Get a lot of dirty looks when I clap good football by the away side at the Amex.
Welcome Raymondo, you sound like a level headed fellow.
[quote][p][bold]raymondo999[/bold] wrote: What a great set of posts. Yesteryear this would have been a good nights rabbit down the pub, but can't manage that these days, so just read what you guys say. Keep it up. Just one quibble, I'm a football fan not just a bha fan, am I welcome here. Get a lot of dirty looks when I clap good football by the away side at the Amex.[/p][/quote]Welcome Raymondo, you sound like a level headed fellow. saraman
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6:11pm Wed 6 Feb 13

suede27 says...

11 wins hey? Championship next season it is then.
11 wins hey? Championship next season it is then. suede27
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6:18pm Wed 6 Feb 13

saraman says...

suede27 wrote:
11 wins hey? Championship next season it is then.
Don't you mean PL?
[quote][p][bold]suede27[/bold] wrote: 11 wins hey? Championship next season it is then.[/p][/quote]Don't you mean PL? saraman
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6:23pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Freeloaders says...

raymondo999 wrote:
What a great set of posts. Yesteryear this would have been a good nights rabbit down the pub, but can't manage that these days, so just read what you guys say. Keep it up. Just one quibble, I'm a football fan not just a bha fan, am I welcome here. Get a lot of dirty looks when I clap good football by the away side at the Amex.
You feel welcome my son.Thats what its all about.Like you im a football fan first.BHAFC been my only club 38yrs apart from one odd sick season at Chelsea.But i blame Withdean and Bill Archer for that lol.But deep down i luv all good football.I even thought Murrays second goal on saturday was very good.But would never admit that to palace friends lol.
[quote][p][bold]raymondo999[/bold] wrote: What a great set of posts. Yesteryear this would have been a good nights rabbit down the pub, but can't manage that these days, so just read what you guys say. Keep it up. Just one quibble, I'm a football fan not just a bha fan, am I welcome here. Get a lot of dirty looks when I clap good football by the away side at the Amex.[/p][/quote]You feel welcome my son.Thats what its all about.Like you im a football fan first.BHAFC been my only club 38yrs apart from one odd sick season at Chelsea.But i blame Withdean and Bill Archer for that lol.But deep down i luv all good football.I even thought Murrays second goal on saturday was very good.But would never admit that to palace friends lol. Freeloaders
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6:40pm Wed 6 Feb 13

tug509 says...

Neville wrote:
Looking at last 17 fixtures:
Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L
Burnley W Hudd W B/City D
Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D
Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D
Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W
Leeds L Wolves W

Not enough points I fear what do others think
I tried this the other day,and thought.

Hull-W,Blkn-W,Car-L,
Burn-W,Hudd-W,BC-W,B
ol-D,Bar-W,cp-W,NF-D
,CA,W,LC-D,Mid-L,PU-
D,B,pool-D,LU-D,WW-W
.

this will give us 75 points,but i think that may fall short of what we`ll need. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at last 17 fixtures: Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L Burnley W Hudd W B/City D Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W Leeds L Wolves W Not enough points I fear what do others think[/p][/quote]I tried this the other day,and thought. Hull-W,Blkn-W,Car-L, Burn-W,Hudd-W,BC-W,B ol-D,Bar-W,cp-W,NF-D ,CA,W,LC-D,Mid-L,PU- D,B,pool-D,LU-D,WW-W . this will give us 75 points,but i think that may fall short of what we`ll need. UTA tug509
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6:42pm Wed 6 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

tug509 wrote:
Neville wrote:
Looking at last 17 fixtures:
Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L
Burnley W Hudd W B/City D
Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D
Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D
Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W
Leeds L Wolves W

Not enough points I fear what do others think
I tried this the other day,and thought.

Hull-W,Blkn-W,Car-L,

Burn-W,Hudd-W,BC-W,B

ol-D,Bar-W,cp-W,NF-D

,CA,W,LC-D,Mid-L,PU-

D,B,pool-D,LU-D,WW-W

.

this will give us 75 points,but i think that may fall short of what we`ll need. UTA
We need to win games, need to boss the game better than we have, the only time we have down it this season was Bolton at the Amex, score should been in double figures!
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at last 17 fixtures: Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L Burnley W Hudd W B/City D Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W Leeds L Wolves W Not enough points I fear what do others think[/p][/quote]I tried this the other day,and thought. Hull-W,Blkn-W,Car-L, Burn-W,Hudd-W,BC-W,B ol-D,Bar-W,cp-W,NF-D ,CA,W,LC-D,Mid-L,PU- D,B,pool-D,LU-D,WW-W . this will give us 75 points,but i think that may fall short of what we`ll need. UTA[/p][/quote]We need to win games, need to boss the game better than we have, the only time we have down it this season was Bolton at the Amex, score should been in double figures! mark by the sea
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6:51pm Wed 6 Feb 13

pappaK says...

Freeloaders wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
LesBerry, the weather in North Las Vegas is pleasant right now, we should see close to 70f today. We will see a drop in temperatures over the next few days due to a few rain clouds moving in.

There was a shooting close to the strip last night, two deaths resulted and the incident was thought to be gang related.

I would comment on the weather in Brighton but how would I know anythiong about that. I guess I could also comment on the armed man that Sussex police arrested but again, how would I know anything about that.

If only I had a computer where I could look these things up, read official reports and what fans are saying.
Witht his internet thingy wouldn't you think that newspapers, television stations and maybe even the clubs would provide information, wouldn't that be good.

Well I guess I will just have to rely on my imagination and dream up results and performance reports.

Wait a minute Les, I am forgetting something, perhaps I could use this new invention, I am sure you have heard of it, it's called the, telephone. Maybe I could call family and friends who attend matches, perhaps they could tell me about the games, yeah that would work.
Don't let them get to you Vegas.Like i said before its here for everyone to use and say what they feel.If we all thought the same there would be know point in the site.You keep going my son.
Sigh!!!!! Vagas the amount of technology you have at your finger tips in your neck of the woods I envy you.AT@T ,CNET,COMCAST ,to mention a few phone companies,CNN,FOX ,BLOOMBERG,CNBC for wire news,getting up in the middle of the night to report to us by noon our time

Putting forward hundreds of blogs a week,the sign of true dedicated journalism,I raise my Albion Beani to you.

I am sure when you write you will never forget the three most powerful resources you Journo`s have available to you.

Love ---- Prayer --- Foregiveness.

Champions are not men who never fail
But men who never quit

Have a Beaut day mate.
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: LesBerry, the weather in North Las Vegas is pleasant right now, we should see close to 70f today. We will see a drop in temperatures over the next few days due to a few rain clouds moving in. There was a shooting close to the strip last night, two deaths resulted and the incident was thought to be gang related. I would comment on the weather in Brighton but how would I know anythiong about that. I guess I could also comment on the armed man that Sussex police arrested but again, how would I know anything about that. If only I had a computer where I could look these things up, read official reports and what fans are saying. Witht his internet thingy wouldn't you think that newspapers, television stations and maybe even the clubs would provide information, wouldn't that be good. Well I guess I will just have to rely on my imagination and dream up results and performance reports. Wait a minute Les, I am forgetting something, perhaps I could use this new invention, I am sure you have heard of it, it's called the, telephone. Maybe I could call family and friends who attend matches, perhaps they could tell me about the games, yeah that would work.[/p][/quote]Don't let them get to you Vegas.Like i said before its here for everyone to use and say what they feel.If we all thought the same there would be know point in the site.You keep going my son.[/p][/quote]Sigh!!!!! Vagas the amount of technology you have at your finger tips in your neck of the woods I envy you.AT@T ,CNET,COMCAST ,to mention a few phone companies,CNN,FOX ,BLOOMBERG,CNBC for wire news,getting up in the middle of the night to report to us by noon our time Putting forward hundreds of blogs a week,the sign of true dedicated journalism,I raise my Albion Beani to you. I am sure when you write you will never forget the three most powerful resources you Journo`s have available to you. Love ---- Prayer --- Foregiveness. Champions are not men who never fail But men who never quit Have a Beaut day mate. pappaK
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6:59pm Wed 6 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

Is this our year, the number of points required to make the playoffs does look a tad daunting, but not impossible.

Orlandi has goven us what he thinks is the target points needed but in order to gain them we would have to go on a winning streak that we haven't come close to this season. If we had we wouldn't be having this debate.

Quite a few people on here, myself included, have called for a more attacking line up and approach to the matches to come, but I wonder, with the,Gus wants the guys to play being so entrenched in their minds, can we now suddenly change?

Can a group of players, overnight, adopt a style of play that we haven't seen all this season or last, I am not sure they can or if any club team could.

If we don't make it, and I hope we will, next season should be interesting if only to see if Gus changes his approach. I guess we will get some inlcine as to how Gus thinks by who he signs for next year and who he lets go, and I say that based on if we don't make it.

If we were to play the extra forward would that mean that Bridcutt would have to play more firther forward to prop up the midfield and less supporting the back four, which to me is what he seems to do. If that were to happen would the back four be able to adapt and would we lose the runs made by Bridge and Bruno, if he plays.

I guess it's a trade off but of the goals come then what we lose on the roundabouts we would gain on the swings.
Is this our year, the number of points required to make the playoffs does look a tad daunting, but not impossible. Orlandi has goven us what he thinks is the target points needed but in order to gain them we would have to go on a winning streak that we haven't come close to this season. If we had we wouldn't be having this debate. Quite a few people on here, myself included, have called for a more attacking line up and approach to the matches to come, but I wonder, with the,Gus wants the guys to play being so entrenched in their minds, can we now suddenly change? Can a group of players, overnight, adopt a style of play that we haven't seen all this season or last, I am not sure they can or if any club team could. If we don't make it, and I hope we will, next season should be interesting if only to see if Gus changes his approach. I guess we will get some inlcine as to how Gus thinks by who he signs for next year and who he lets go, and I say that based on if we don't make it. If we were to play the extra forward would that mean that Bridcutt would have to play more firther forward to prop up the midfield and less supporting the back four, which to me is what he seems to do. If that were to happen would the back four be able to adapt and would we lose the runs made by Bridge and Bruno, if he plays. I guess it's a trade off but of the goals come then what we lose on the roundabouts we would gain on the swings. VegasSeagull
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7:11pm Wed 6 Feb 13

johntenerife says...

as I mentioned 3 months ago unless we start to play more attacking football we will never get out of the championship. Since then we still play negative, defensive football. Out of the last 21 league matches we have won just 5 games. This speaks for itself. To win 11 out of the next 17 games we have to play a different way. If Gus insists on carrying on as before we will never make the play offs. I cannot see that happening and in my opinion we will probably end up mid-table.
I am fortunate to be able to see many of the games even though I live abroad so I can give an honest opinion.
Gus is too set in his method to change and unless he leaves to manage another club we will never get promoted.
This is to all the "in Gus we trust" brigade. When he is approached by a premier league club do you honestly believe he will stay with the Albion. If the offer is to his liking he will leave without a second thought.
as I mentioned 3 months ago unless we start to play more attacking football we will never get out of the championship. Since then we still play negative, defensive football. Out of the last 21 league matches we have won just 5 games. This speaks for itself. To win 11 out of the next 17 games we have to play a different way. If Gus insists on carrying on as before we will never make the play offs. I cannot see that happening and in my opinion we will probably end up mid-table. I am fortunate to be able to see many of the games even though I live abroad so I can give an honest opinion. Gus is too set in his method to change and unless he leaves to manage another club we will never get promoted. This is to all the "in Gus we trust" brigade. When he is approached by a premier league club do you honestly believe he will stay with the Albion. If the offer is to his liking he will leave without a second thought. johntenerife
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7:14pm Wed 6 Feb 13

championshipgull says...

tug509 wrote:
Neville wrote:
Looking at last 17 fixtures:
Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L
Burnley W Hudd W B/City D
Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D
Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D
Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W
Leeds L Wolves W

Not enough points I fear what do others think
I tried this the other day,and thought.

Hull-W,Blkn-W,Car-L,

Burn-W,Hudd-W,BC-W,B

ol-D,Bar-W,cp-W,NF-D

,CA,W,LC-D,Mid-L,PU-

D,B,pool-D,LU-D,WW-W

.

this will give us 75 points,but i think that may fall short of what we`ll need. UTA
Over the last 10 years 75 points have been enough. In 2009-2010 Blackpool got in the play offs with 70 points and won them. Keep the faith everyone..
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neville[/bold] wrote: Looking at last 17 fixtures: Hull D Blkburn W Cardiff L Burnley W Hudd W B/City D Bolton W Barnsley D C Palace D Notts F D Charlton W Leicester D Middlesb L Peterboro W Blkp W Leeds L Wolves W Not enough points I fear what do others think[/p][/quote]I tried this the other day,and thought. Hull-W,Blkn-W,Car-L, Burn-W,Hudd-W,BC-W,B ol-D,Bar-W,cp-W,NF-D ,CA,W,LC-D,Mid-L,PU- D,B,pool-D,LU-D,WW-W . this will give us 75 points,but i think that may fall short of what we`ll need. UTA[/p][/quote]Over the last 10 years 75 points have been enough. In 2009-2010 Blackpool got in the play offs with 70 points and won them. Keep the faith everyone.. championshipgull
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7:17pm Wed 6 Feb 13

pappaK says...

Oh,Forgot to tell you Vegas,We had no killings today,just that the council filled in the holes with concrete at the Pitch and Putt at Rottingdean which the OAP`s use.Rumour has it they are marching with their Zimmer frames down North St to Churchill Square Saturday,where they will be burning their Disabled Badges.

Just a bit of trivia for you
Oh,Forgot to tell you Vegas,We had no killings today,just that the council filled in the holes with concrete at the Pitch and Putt at Rottingdean which the OAP`s use.Rumour has it they are marching with their Zimmer frames down North St to Churchill Square Saturday,where they will be burning their Disabled Badges. Just a bit of trivia for you pappaK
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7:23pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Freeloaders says...

johntenerife wrote:
as I mentioned 3 months ago unless we start to play more attacking football we will never get out of the championship. Since then we still play negative, defensive football. Out of the last 21 league matches we have won just 5 games. This speaks for itself. To win 11 out of the next 17 games we have to play a different way. If Gus insists on carrying on as before we will never make the play offs. I cannot see that happening and in my opinion we will probably end up mid-table.
I am fortunate to be able to see many of the games even though I live abroad so I can give an honest opinion.
Gus is too set in his method to change and unless he leaves to manage another club we will never get promoted.
This is to all the "in Gus we trust" brigade. When he is approached by a premier league club do you honestly believe he will stay with the Albion. If the offer is to his liking he will leave without a second thought.
Best post in the history of the world my friend.100% spot on.Same with Buckley.Thank you yet another fan with their own brain.
[quote][p][bold]johntenerife[/bold] wrote: as I mentioned 3 months ago unless we start to play more attacking football we will never get out of the championship. Since then we still play negative, defensive football. Out of the last 21 league matches we have won just 5 games. This speaks for itself. To win 11 out of the next 17 games we have to play a different way. If Gus insists on carrying on as before we will never make the play offs. I cannot see that happening and in my opinion we will probably end up mid-table. I am fortunate to be able to see many of the games even though I live abroad so I can give an honest opinion. Gus is too set in his method to change and unless he leaves to manage another club we will never get promoted. This is to all the "in Gus we trust" brigade. When he is approached by a premier league club do you honestly believe he will stay with the Albion. If the offer is to his liking he will leave without a second thought.[/p][/quote]Best post in the history of the world my friend.100% spot on.Same with Buckley.Thank you yet another fan with their own brain. Freeloaders
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7:26pm Wed 6 Feb 13

WestStander17 says...

GosportGull wrote:
WestStander17 wrote:
GosportGull wrote: We build play too slow and too predicitable .. when was the last time we hit a team on the counter attack ? And for all of you who say , we are not about that we are not a counter attack team .. well we have the pace to do it with Buckley , Lua Lua and CMS ..but it just wont happen because of our stiffling tactics ... I am all in favour of the passing game , its good to watch ..but we go sideways more than forwards too much , its too predicatable and teams press high up the field and we end up getting bogged down ... That said , i think we have the quality players now to really open up teams and win games ... if we play a little more attack minded instead of defensive ... play to our strengths and not to counter other teams..especially at home ! On another issue , really good to see us trying to bring in youngsters with talent , all looking good for the future as i think GG and Adam have worked wonders but are slowing up a bit of late .... Hope we get the Dutch lad .. He will be an asset for the future ....
One question to ask you GosportGull and others that have said similar.... Would you rather play as we do, building up slowly, keeping the ball and trying to pick our way through an organised defence..... OR Attack quicker, attempt more expansive forward passes with some success but often losing the ball and having to defend because the oppo has the ball far more often? Its been mentioned our defence might not be the strongest so surely the less time we are defending for the better. Yes, building up slowly allows the oppo to retreat and get organised but I sit a lot easier in my padded seat when we are keeping possession than I do when the other team have the ball! In most games, especially at home, creating chances hasn't been a problem, its been taking them that's the issue. Hopefully, Ulloa will improve that problem. If anyone feels frustrated when we are passing it slowly across the back 4, into midfield and back again, just see it as time we aren't defending. Simples!
I know what you mean Westander.. In answer to your question , i have no problem with the passing game as i stated earlier but we just need more creativity in midfield or maybe more movement up front and then the forward pass as opposed to the backwards and sideways pass would be more on than not ..I think the addition of Vicente would probably give us that inspiration and as it looks doubtful that he will be at the club next year , we may as well play him now ... It would be nice to see some counter attacking football sometimes ..but yes i do agree if we are holding the ball ..all be it for long periods in our own half and along the back four , we are in control... we just need options .. either the wingers or the full backs getting forward or the midfield seeing forward runs from the strikers ...sorry STRIKER ! Don't get me started lol ... I think we will get the last play off place but we will have to finish the season really well ...and up the tempo of our game ... If we played like we did against Arsenal every game , we would easily be top 6 ... i dont know why one game we look sensational and then another we dont look like we could score or even create a chance all match .... I think alot of this is down to Gus to change .. we wont go down but we wont get promoted at this rate .. Imho..we should throw some caution to the wind and play CMS and ULLOA upfront ..have Hoskins playing behind them and Hammond, Vicente and Bridcutt play the midfield. Bring on either Buckley or Lua Lua in the second half when teams are getting tired and whip in as many crosses as possible ... Thats just MY opinion and doesnt count for much except i love my club and want us to do well .... GG
Agreed, GG. With a fully fit Vicente in this system, I think we'd have a fair few more points than we do now. The quality he has would pick open opposition defences. Hopefully, we have that to look forward to in the last 17 games. If so, I don't think we'll be far away.
[quote][p][bold]GosportGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GosportGull[/bold] wrote: We build play too slow and too predicitable .. when was the last time we hit a team on the counter attack ? And for all of you who say , we are not about that we are not a counter attack team .. well we have the pace to do it with Buckley , Lua Lua and CMS ..but it just wont happen because of our stiffling tactics ... I am all in favour of the passing game , its good to watch ..but we go sideways more than forwards too much , its too predicatable and teams press high up the field and we end up getting bogged down ... That said , i think we have the quality players now to really open up teams and win games ... if we play a little more attack minded instead of defensive ... play to our strengths and not to counter other teams..especially at home ! On another issue , really good to see us trying to bring in youngsters with talent , all looking good for the future as i think GG and Adam have worked wonders but are slowing up a bit of late .... Hope we get the Dutch lad .. He will be an asset for the future ....[/p][/quote]One question to ask you GosportGull and others that have said similar.... Would you rather play as we do, building up slowly, keeping the ball and trying to pick our way through an organised defence..... OR Attack quicker, attempt more expansive forward passes with some success but often losing the ball and having to defend because the oppo has the ball far more often? Its been mentioned our defence might not be the strongest so surely the less time we are defending for the better. Yes, building up slowly allows the oppo to retreat and get organised but I sit a lot easier in my padded seat when we are keeping possession than I do when the other team have the ball! In most games, especially at home, creating chances hasn't been a problem, its been taking them that's the issue. Hopefully, Ulloa will improve that problem. If anyone feels frustrated when we are passing it slowly across the back 4, into midfield and back again, just see it as time we aren't defending. Simples![/p][/quote]I know what you mean Westander.. In answer to your question , i have no problem with the passing game as i stated earlier but we just need more creativity in midfield or maybe more movement up front and then the forward pass as opposed to the backwards and sideways pass would be more on than not ..I think the addition of Vicente would probably give us that inspiration and as it looks doubtful that he will be at the club next year , we may as well play him now ... It would be nice to see some counter attacking football sometimes ..but yes i do agree if we are holding the ball ..all be it for long periods in our own half and along the back four , we are in control... we just need options .. either the wingers or the full backs getting forward or the midfield seeing forward runs from the strikers ...sorry STRIKER ! Don't get me started lol ... I think we will get the last play off place but we will have to finish the season really well ...and up the tempo of our game ... If we played like we did against Arsenal every game , we would easily be top 6 ... i dont know why one game we look sensational and then another we dont look like we could score or even create a chance all match .... I think alot of this is down to Gus to change .. we wont go down but we wont get promoted at this rate .. Imho..we should throw some caution to the wind and play CMS and ULLOA upfront ..have Hoskins playing behind them and Hammond, Vicente and Bridcutt play the midfield. Bring on either Buckley or Lua Lua in the second half when teams are getting tired and whip in as many crosses as possible ... Thats just MY opinion and doesnt count for much except i love my club and want us to do well .... GG[/p][/quote]Agreed, GG. With a fully fit Vicente in this system, I think we'd have a fair few more points than we do now. The quality he has would pick open opposition defences. Hopefully, we have that to look forward to in the last 17 games. If so, I don't think we'll be far away. WestStander17
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7:46pm Wed 6 Feb 13

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Just remembering that on this date last year a team called Reading were lying in 8th place on 45 points, 11 points behind the team in 1st place, and we all know what happened next.

87 points last year would have claimed auto promotion, in 2nd place, Reading did it convincingly by claiming 1st place.

So, on that basis we need at least 45 points from 51 available points or 17 games, and well finish 2nd.

Come on Albion, dont listen to Orlandi, he' s understating our ambition, we could do a Reading at this stage, albeit a fight for 2nd place auto promotion.
Just remembering that on this date last year a team called Reading were lying in 8th place on 45 points, 11 points behind the team in 1st place, and we all know what happened next. 87 points last year would have claimed auto promotion, in 2nd place, Reading did it convincingly by claiming 1st place. So, on that basis we need at least 45 points from 51 available points or 17 games, and well finish 2nd. Come on Albion, dont listen to Orlandi, he' s understating our ambition, we could do a Reading at this stage, albeit a fight for 2nd place auto promotion. PressBoxTeaBoy
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7:53pm Wed 6 Feb 13

tonytowner1 says...

mark by the sea wrote:
We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals..
Over complication is costing us points.
Absolutely agree. Let's not mess about - go all out for wins from the off. It was good to see Andy Murray's tee shirt the day before he whipped Federer in the Aussie Open - "Practise,
Aaggression, Destroy" - he knew/ knows he has the better game now - same with us against virtually any other side in the division - it's just a belief thing (and over complication) that is the missing part broadly now - so, no need Gus to try and be clever or too alternative

I hope Orlandi isn't about to lose his place - so often the case when in charge of the player PR
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: We really have played football to get out of this division, without winning games, 11 wins in 17? I can't see that, however, maybe that will stop the tactical **** footing, and lets the players loose, and go for goals.. Over complication is costing us points.[/p][/quote]Absolutely agree. Let's not mess about - go all out for wins from the off. It was good to see Andy Murray's tee shirt the day before he whipped Federer in the Aussie Open - "Practise, Aaggression, Destroy" - he knew/ knows he has the better game now - same with us against virtually any other side in the division - it's just a belief thing (and over complication) that is the missing part broadly now - so, no need Gus to try and be clever or too alternative I hope Orlandi isn't about to lose his place - so often the case when in charge of the player PR tonytowner1
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8:23pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Far gull says...

Freeloaders wrote:
johntenerife wrote:
as I mentioned 3 months ago unless we start to play more attacking football we will never get out of the championship. Since then we still play negative, defensive football. Out of the last 21 league matches we have won just 5 games. This speaks for itself. To win 11 out of the next 17 games we have to play a different way. If Gus insists on carrying on as before we will never make the play offs. I cannot see that happening and in my opinion we will probably end up mid-table.
I am fortunate to be able to see many of the games even though I live abroad so I can give an honest opinion.
Gus is too set in his method to change and unless he leaves to manage another club we will never get promoted.
This is to all the "in Gus we trust" brigade. When he is approached by a premier league club do you honestly believe he will stay with the Albion. If the offer is to his liking he will leave without a second thought.
Best post in the history of the world my friend.100% spot on.Same with Buckley.Thank you yet another fan with their own brain.
Very good post ,a friend who happens to have supported and watched the Albion for 60 yrs said the same recently.


which surprised me. But I find with the last few games and Saturday against Hull to come thinking he may be right ? Time will tell . Let's hope we can pull this out the bag as I don't think any team is really ready to go up and changes will always be required when there.
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johntenerife[/bold] wrote: as I mentioned 3 months ago unless we start to play more attacking football we will never get out of the championship. Since then we still play negative, defensive football. Out of the last 21 league matches we have won just 5 games. This speaks for itself. To win 11 out of the next 17 games we have to play a different way. If Gus insists on carrying on as before we will never make the play offs. I cannot see that happening and in my opinion we will probably end up mid-table. I am fortunate to be able to see many of the games even though I live abroad so I can give an honest opinion. Gus is too set in his method to change and unless he leaves to manage another club we will never get promoted. This is to all the "in Gus we trust" brigade. When he is approached by a premier league club do you honestly believe he will stay with the Albion. If the offer is to his liking he will leave without a second thought.[/p][/quote]Best post in the history of the world my friend.100% spot on.Same with Buckley.Thank you yet another fan with their own brain.[/p][/quote]Very good post ,a friend who happens to have supported and watched the Albion for 60 yrs said the same recently. which surprised me. But I find with the last few games and Saturday against Hull to come thinking he may be right ? Time will tell . Let's hope we can pull this out the bag as I don't think any team is really ready to go up and changes will always be required when there. Far gull
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8:24pm Wed 6 Feb 13

tug509 says...

Won-5,Drew-8,Lost-4,
that was the outcome of the reverse of the 17 games left. If you look at those drawn games,with the exception of Blackpool we should have won the lot.

As johntenerife`s excellent post points out,if we dont play more attack minded football from here on in,we can forget the POs.

Up until recently,i fitted into the "in Gus we trust" brigade,but with each game it becomes apparent that we are not utilizing our best players effectively. Ulloa was meant to play alongside CMS,if this happens on Saturday that would be a start,but i wouldn`t bet on it.

Mbts,and many others,myself included,just want Gus to take the manacles of our best players,give them half a game to express themselves,and see the impact,if it doesn`t work,a nod of the head and its back to normal,no damage done,at the very least our opponents wont expect it. UTA
Won-5,Drew-8,Lost-4, that was the outcome of the reverse of the 17 games left. If you look at those drawn games,with the exception of Blackpool we should have won the lot. As johntenerife`s excellent post points out,if we dont play more attack minded football from here on in,we can forget the POs. Up until recently,i fitted into the "in Gus we trust" brigade,but with each game it becomes apparent that we are not utilizing our best players effectively. Ulloa was meant to play alongside CMS,if this happens on Saturday that would be a start,but i wouldn`t bet on it. Mbts,and many others,myself included,just want Gus to take the manacles of our best players,give them half a game to express themselves,and see the impact,if it doesn`t work,a nod of the head and its back to normal,no damage done,at the very least our opponents wont expect it. UTA tug509
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8:27pm Wed 6 Feb 13

pte says...

Gus got us out of league 1 with his style of play but would he have done this without Glen Murray?

We might still be in league 1 having exactly this debate.

Like would we have got to the Championship without Zamorra?

A manager can be labeled as a genius or a dope but a lot of it is down to luck in having a striker on a hot run. A decent striker will turn a dope into genius
Gus got us out of league 1 with his style of play but would he have done this without Glen Murray? We might still be in league 1 having exactly this debate. Like would we have got to the Championship without Zamorra? A manager can be labeled as a genius or a dope but a lot of it is down to luck in having a striker on a hot run. A decent striker will turn a dope into genius pte
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9:27pm Wed 6 Feb 13

brightonup says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
For those who would have a pop at expats, and me in particular I would remind you of a few things.

1. We are all fans no matter where we live.
2. Yes you guys have more insight than we do because you get to go to the matches, well lucky you.
3. Apart from seeing the matches we get to find out exactly what you do.
4. You guys comment on away matches, matches most of you don't get to see, that makes us even.
5. Yes us expats may play what might be called, fantasy football or manager for the day, but don't we all do that, isn't that what chat sites are all about.
6. To have an opinion on what you don't actualy see, relying on other's reports, doesn't always make the opinion worthless, we all watch news reports on things other than sport, and we all form opinons based on those reports.
7. Some on here say that some of us have, 'too much time on our hands,' well pardon us for being at an age where we do have a lot of spare time.
8. By making some of the comments that you do, qiestioning whether our comments are valid based on the fact that we don't get to see the matches, smacks of eliteism on your part, how dare we have an opinion if we don't get to the Amex.
9. Evaluating written reports, pulling from them the salient pooints is a profession for many people all over the world. You really shouldn't decry those that have this ability as for some of us it's how we make our living.
10. Your love of our club is no stronger than ours, if anyhting it is easier for you. Try walking in our shoes for a while, think about how you feel when you are away on vacation and can only read written reports. We have that feeling every day.
Rock on Vegas Seagull! There are times when the weather is so bad, that Albion is the main reason to remain here! You are a loyal supporter. If anything, I think YOU are too tolerant of the bar stewards who come on here to criticise. Keep up the excellent postings!
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: For those who would have a pop at expats, and me in particular I would remind you of a few things. 1. We are all fans no matter where we live. 2. Yes you guys have more insight than we do because you get to go to the matches, well lucky you. 3. Apart from seeing the matches we get to find out exactly what you do. 4. You guys comment on away matches, matches most of you don't get to see, that makes us even. 5. Yes us expats may play what might be called, fantasy football or manager for the day, but don't we all do that, isn't that what chat sites are all about. 6. To have an opinion on what you don't actualy see, relying on other's reports, doesn't always make the opinion worthless, we all watch news reports on things other than sport, and we all form opinons based on those reports. 7. Some on here say that some of us have, 'too much time on our hands,' well pardon us for being at an age where we do have a lot of spare time. 8. By making some of the comments that you do, qiestioning whether our comments are valid based on the fact that we don't get to see the matches, smacks of eliteism on your part, how dare we have an opinion if we don't get to the Amex. 9. Evaluating written reports, pulling from them the salient pooints is a profession for many people all over the world. You really shouldn't decry those that have this ability as for some of us it's how we make our living. 10. Your love of our club is no stronger than ours, if anyhting it is easier for you. Try walking in our shoes for a while, think about how you feel when you are away on vacation and can only read written reports. We have that feeling every day.[/p][/quote]Rock on Vegas Seagull! There are times when the weather is so bad, that Albion is the main reason to remain here! You are a loyal supporter. If anything, I think YOU are too tolerant of the bar stewards who come on here to criticise. Keep up the excellent postings! brightonup
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10:10pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Hovite says...

Agree brightonup, I get just as much info from the commentary as I do from going to the match, in fact I have tried tuning into Radio Sussex whilst at the Amex, but unfortunately couldn't get a signal.

Reading reports, research and gathering performance stats you can have a view. You can read of any event in history, not just football and you can still come to your own conclusion, whatever the event.
Agree brightonup, I get just as much info from the commentary as I do from going to the match, in fact I have tried tuning into Radio Sussex whilst at the Amex, but unfortunately couldn't get a signal. Reading reports, research and gathering performance stats you can have a view. You can read of any event in history, not just football and you can still come to your own conclusion, whatever the event. Hovite
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10:14pm Wed 6 Feb 13

fratsomrover says...

As optimistic as I like to be, winning 11 of the remaining 17 games when we have only won 5 of the last 21 does appear somewhat unlikely. Would be a brilliant way to end the season, but can we really see it. I think that only Hull and M'boro are the teams we might catch. Neither are as strong as the other 4, which makes winning on Saturday absolutely imperative. I just hope and pray we go for it for a change and start the game with our most creative and attacking players on the field and not on the bench.
As optimistic as I like to be, winning 11 of the remaining 17 games when we have only won 5 of the last 21 does appear somewhat unlikely. Would be a brilliant way to end the season, but can we really see it. I think that only Hull and M'boro are the teams we might catch. Neither are as strong as the other 4, which makes winning on Saturday absolutely imperative. I just hope and pray we go for it for a change and start the game with our most creative and attacking players on the field and not on the bench. fratsomrover
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10:48pm Wed 6 Feb 13

championshipgull says...

Good thread with some widely different views from hopes of finishing in the auto places to expectations of finishing half way down the table. I personally value input from abroad. Sometimes if you stand back from a situation you can see it from an alternative aspect and usually a better overall view.
Not sure the Ulloa factor has been taken fully into account though. Someone has just gambled 2 million on him making a difference and turning a few draws into wins, which is all it will take with our current style to put us in the play offs. Do we want to also to gamble on a more attacking style of play with the risk of conceding more goals? Not for me, not yet.
Good thread with some widely different views from hopes of finishing in the auto places to expectations of finishing half way down the table. I personally value input from abroad. Sometimes if you stand back from a situation you can see it from an alternative aspect and usually a better overall view. Not sure the Ulloa factor has been taken fully into account though. Someone has just gambled 2 million on him making a difference and turning a few draws into wins, which is all it will take with our current style to put us in the play offs. Do we want to also to gamble on a more attacking style of play with the risk of conceding more goals? Not for me, not yet. championshipgull
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11:23pm Wed 6 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

This season Brighton have had 329 shots of which 157 were on target resulting in just 41 goals We have amassed a total of 202 corner kicks.

Cardiff have had 338 shots of which 175 were on target resulting in 51 goals. They have had 184 corner kicks.

Just nine more shots than us but ten goals more and 17 more on target. Think of all the drawn matches we have had and consider those ten goals.

Numbers such as these go some way to explain why we are not in the top six.
This season Brighton have had 329 shots of which 157 were on target resulting in just 41 goals We have amassed a total of 202 corner kicks. Cardiff have had 338 shots of which 175 were on target resulting in 51 goals. They have had 184 corner kicks. Just nine more shots than us but ten goals more and 17 more on target. Think of all the drawn matches we have had and consider those ten goals. Numbers such as these go some way to explain why we are not in the top six. VegasSeagull
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11:25pm Wed 6 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
This season Brighton have had 329 shots of which 157 were on target resulting in just 41 goals We have amassed a total of 202 corner kicks. Cardiff have had 338 shots of which 175 were on target resulting in 51 goals. They have had 184 corner kicks. Just nine more shots than us but ten goals more and 17 more on target. Think of all the drawn matches we have had and consider those ten goals. Numbers such as these go some way to explain why we are not in the top six.
The Watford stats are amazing cpmpared to ours and others.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: This season Brighton have had 329 shots of which 157 were on target resulting in just 41 goals We have amassed a total of 202 corner kicks. Cardiff have had 338 shots of which 175 were on target resulting in 51 goals. They have had 184 corner kicks. Just nine more shots than us but ten goals more and 17 more on target. Think of all the drawn matches we have had and consider those ten goals. Numbers such as these go some way to explain why we are not in the top six.[/p][/quote]The Watford stats are amazing cpmpared to ours and others. VegasSeagull
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11:58pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Hovite says...

Interesting stats Vegas, doesn't seem to be anything wrong with our play, it's just not converting the chances.

If you know the what Watford stats are post em ;o)
Interesting stats Vegas, doesn't seem to be anything wrong with our play, it's just not converting the chances. If you know the what Watford stats are post em ;o) Hovite
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12:11am Thu 7 Feb 13

pte says...

One interesting stat is that over 6 million has been spent on strikers this season and last, over 7 million if you include Buckley.

Quite embarassing if the problem scoring persists
One interesting stat is that over 6 million has been spent on strikers this season and last, over 7 million if you include Buckley. Quite embarassing if the problem scoring persists pte
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12:23am Thu 7 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

Watford.

58 goals
359 shots
182on target
151 corners
Watford. 58 goals 359 shots 182on target 151 corners VegasSeagull
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12:32am Thu 7 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

Hovite the two teams that have scored the most goals, Watford and Palace have a shot on target ration of 50% from shots taken.

Palace 52 goals from a total of 315 shots, of which 154 were on target, 180 corners for Palace.

You are right, we have simply not converted enough of our chaces and sadly, that is down to those taking the shots.
I have been calling for two strikers for months, to hope that Ulloa can turn things around on his own is a lot to ask. Both CMS and Buckley have seen their form dip to a point where if we had the right alternatives we may have scored more goals and we might have had more points.

I hope Ulloa can do it and help others return to form but as I say, it's a big ask.. .
Hovite the two teams that have scored the most goals, Watford and Palace have a shot on target ration of 50% from shots taken. Palace 52 goals from a total of 315 shots, of which 154 were on target, 180 corners for Palace. You are right, we have simply not converted enough of our chaces and sadly, that is down to those taking the shots. I have been calling for two strikers for months, to hope that Ulloa can turn things around on his own is a lot to ask. Both CMS and Buckley have seen their form dip to a point where if we had the right alternatives we may have scored more goals and we might have had more points. I hope Ulloa can do it and help others return to form but as I say, it's a big ask.. . VegasSeagull
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8:46am Thu 7 Feb 13

WestStander17 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite the two teams that have scored the most goals, Watford and Palace have a shot on target ration of 50% from shots taken. Palace 52 goals from a total of 315 shots, of which 154 were on target, 180 corners for Palace. You are right, we have simply not converted enough of our chaces and sadly, that is down to those taking the shots. I have been calling for two strikers for months, to hope that Ulloa can turn things around on his own is a lot to ask. Both CMS and Buckley have seen their form dip to a point where if we had the right alternatives we may have scored more goals and we might have had more points. I hope Ulloa can do it and help others return to form but as I say, it's a big ask.. .
But, Vegas, one of your two strikers would be CMS. Wouldn't he be one of the bigger culprits in missing the target? So, in effect, you would be just adding Ulloa and hoping he hits the target more. I can't see how he would help CMS take his chances better. He may help others a bit because by holding the ball up better the other players' shots maybe from closer range.

Brighton do have analysts watching and breaking down each and every game now so I'm sure Gus will be looking at all the information and working towards a solution much better than any of our's.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hovite the two teams that have scored the most goals, Watford and Palace have a shot on target ration of 50% from shots taken. Palace 52 goals from a total of 315 shots, of which 154 were on target, 180 corners for Palace. You are right, we have simply not converted enough of our chaces and sadly, that is down to those taking the shots. I have been calling for two strikers for months, to hope that Ulloa can turn things around on his own is a lot to ask. Both CMS and Buckley have seen their form dip to a point where if we had the right alternatives we may have scored more goals and we might have had more points. I hope Ulloa can do it and help others return to form but as I say, it's a big ask.. .[/p][/quote]But, Vegas, one of your two strikers would be CMS. Wouldn't he be one of the bigger culprits in missing the target? So, in effect, you would be just adding Ulloa and hoping he hits the target more. I can't see how he would help CMS take his chances better. He may help others a bit because by holding the ball up better the other players' shots maybe from closer range. Brighton do have analysts watching and breaking down each and every game now so I'm sure Gus will be looking at all the information and working towards a solution much better than any of our's. WestStander17
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9:02am Thu 7 Feb 13

Yorkieseagull says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Hovite the two teams that have scored the most goals, Watford and Palace have a shot on target ration of 50% from shots taken.

Palace 52 goals from a total of 315 shots, of which 154 were on target, 180 corners for Palace.

You are right, we have simply not converted enough of our chaces and sadly, that is down to those taking the shots.
I have been calling for two strikers for months, to hope that Ulloa can turn things around on his own is a lot to ask. Both CMS and Buckley have seen their form dip to a point where if we had the right alternatives we may have scored more goals and we might have had more points.

I hope Ulloa can do it and help others return to form but as I say, it's a big ask.. .
Vegas you have my respect as a scholar and a thinker. Keep on posting, I enjoy your clarity and analytical style. This site is not reserved only for those who have stood in the cold at Gillingham and Withdean, it is for fans of football in general and the Albion in particular.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hovite the two teams that have scored the most goals, Watford and Palace have a shot on target ration of 50% from shots taken. Palace 52 goals from a total of 315 shots, of which 154 were on target, 180 corners for Palace. You are right, we have simply not converted enough of our chaces and sadly, that is down to those taking the shots. I have been calling for two strikers for months, to hope that Ulloa can turn things around on his own is a lot to ask. Both CMS and Buckley have seen their form dip to a point where if we had the right alternatives we may have scored more goals and we might have had more points. I hope Ulloa can do it and help others return to form but as I say, it's a big ask.. .[/p][/quote]Vegas you have my respect as a scholar and a thinker. Keep on posting, I enjoy your clarity and analytical style. This site is not reserved only for those who have stood in the cold at Gillingham and Withdean, it is for fans of football in general and the Albion in particular. Yorkieseagull
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11:37am Thu 7 Feb 13

GosportGull says...

Yorkieseagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote: Hovite the two teams that have scored the most goals, Watford and Palace have a shot on target ration of 50% from shots taken. Palace 52 goals from a total of 315 shots, of which 154 were on target, 180 corners for Palace. You are right, we have simply not converted enough of our chaces and sadly, that is down to those taking the shots. I have been calling for two strikers for months, to hope that Ulloa can turn things around on his own is a lot to ask. Both CMS and Buckley have seen their form dip to a point where if we had the right alternatives we may have scored more goals and we might have had more points. I hope Ulloa can do it and help others return to form but as I say, it's a big ask.. .
Vegas you have my respect as a scholar and a thinker. Keep on posting, I enjoy your clarity and analytical style. This site is not reserved only for those who have stood in the cold at Gillingham and Withdean, it is for fans of football in general and the Albion in particular.
Totally agree , i have followed the Albion since i was 6yrs old, even when i joined the Marines and was all over the world i still had my parents send me the reports! Just because your not attending every game doesn't mean you can't have a say and you don't love the club any less... Well done Vegas and all the other expats and true fans who cant get to every match... GG UTA !!
[quote][p][bold]Yorkieseagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Hovite the two teams that have scored the most goals, Watford and Palace have a shot on target ration of 50% from shots taken. Palace 52 goals from a total of 315 shots, of which 154 were on target, 180 corners for Palace. You are right, we have simply not converted enough of our chaces and sadly, that is down to those taking the shots. I have been calling for two strikers for months, to hope that Ulloa can turn things around on his own is a lot to ask. Both CMS and Buckley have seen their form dip to a point where if we had the right alternatives we may have scored more goals and we might have had more points. I hope Ulloa can do it and help others return to form but as I say, it's a big ask.. .[/p][/quote]Vegas you have my respect as a scholar and a thinker. Keep on posting, I enjoy your clarity and analytical style. This site is not reserved only for those who have stood in the cold at Gillingham and Withdean, it is for fans of football in general and the Albion in particular.[/p][/quote]Totally agree , i have followed the Albion since i was 6yrs old, even when i joined the Marines and was all over the world i still had my parents send me the reports! Just because your not attending every game doesn't mean you can't have a say and you don't love the club any less... Well done Vegas and all the other expats and true fans who cant get to every match... GG UTA !! GosportGull
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11:46am Thu 7 Feb 13

wiltshire seagull says...

GosportGull wrote:
We build play too slow and too predicitable .. when was the last time we hit a team on the counter attack ? And for all of you who say , we are not about that we are not a counter attack team .. well we have the pace to do it with Buckley , Lua Lua and CMS ..but it just wont happen because of our stiffling tactics ... I am all in favour of the passing game , its good to watch ..but we go sideways more than forwards too much , its too predicatable and teams press high up the field and we end up getting bogged down ...
That said , i think we have the quality players now to really open up teams and win games ... if we play a little more attack minded instead of defensive ... play to our strengths and not to counter other teams..especially at home !

On another issue , really good to see us trying to bring in youngsters with talent , all looking good for the future as i think GG and Adam have worked wonders but are slowing up a bit of late .... Hope we get the Dutch lad .. He will be an asset for the future ....
A very balanced assessment, GG. Tippy tappy football is great to watch but a resultant goal occassionally from the patient build-up is surely the point of continuous possession? I think most of us part-time managers believe Gus IS far too defence minded with his team selections and it would be great for Gus to prove us wrong on Saturday. Personally, it would be great to start with 2 up front, Ulloa, Cms or Hoskins would be good for me plus Vicente to start at least and Dicker preferred to DH. IMHO only, of course. I would love to see us in the play-offs this year but although a glass half full sort of guy I think its a step to far? Prove me wrong please. BTW, peoples, some really good posts on this thread today, sorry I let the side down, lol.
UTA...
[quote][p][bold]GosportGull[/bold] wrote: We build play too slow and too predicitable .. when was the last time we hit a team on the counter attack ? And for all of you who say , we are not about that we are not a counter attack team .. well we have the pace to do it with Buckley , Lua Lua and CMS ..but it just wont happen because of our stiffling tactics ... I am all in favour of the passing game , its good to watch ..but we go sideways more than forwards too much , its too predicatable and teams press high up the field and we end up getting bogged down ... That said , i think we have the quality players now to really open up teams and win games ... if we play a little more attack minded instead of defensive ... play to our strengths and not to counter other teams..especially at home ! On another issue , really good to see us trying to bring in youngsters with talent , all looking good for the future as i think GG and Adam have worked wonders but are slowing up a bit of late .... Hope we get the Dutch lad .. He will be an asset for the future ....[/p][/quote]A very balanced assessment, GG. Tippy tappy football is great to watch but a resultant goal occassionally from the patient build-up is surely the point of continuous possession? I think most of us part-time managers believe Gus IS far too defence minded with his team selections and it would be great for Gus to prove us wrong on Saturday. Personally, it would be great to start with 2 up front, Ulloa, Cms or Hoskins would be good for me plus Vicente to start at least and Dicker preferred to DH. IMHO only, of course. I would love to see us in the play-offs this year but although a glass half full sort of guy I think its a step to far? Prove me wrong please. BTW, peoples, some really good posts on this thread today, sorry I let the side down, lol. UTA... wiltshire seagull
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1:04pm Thu 7 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

West stander I think I slightly mislead you in my comments.
When I say that I have been bangng on about two strikers what I meant was, bring in Ulloa and another.

We have needed the target man, or if you like, Ulloa, for ages but we didn't find one, but we could have bought a out and out striker whilst waiting to find our target man.
We had Dobbie but we all know that didn't work. I am still of the opinion that we should get another striker and the loan window might give us the chance to.
West stander I think I slightly mislead you in my comments. When I say that I have been bangng on about two strikers what I meant was, bring in Ulloa and another. We have needed the target man, or if you like, Ulloa, for ages but we didn't find one, but we could have bought a out and out striker whilst waiting to find our target man. We had Dobbie but we all know that didn't work. I am still of the opinion that we should get another striker and the loan window might give us the chance to. VegasSeagull
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1:55pm Thu 7 Feb 13

WestStander17 says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
West stander I think I slightly mislead you in my comments. When I say that I have been bangng on about two strikers what I meant was, bring in Ulloa and another. We have needed the target man, or if you like, Ulloa, for ages but we didn't find one, but we could have bought a out and out striker whilst waiting to find our target man. We had Dobbie but we all know that didn't work. I am still of the opinion that we should get another striker and the loan window might give us the chance to.
Oh ok. 2 new strikers! I think Hoskins would feel even more hard done by then!

As things stand, we already have 3 strikers to fill one position. That's not counting Barnes who would probably still name striker as his preferred position despite being moulded into other positions.

However, I support the thinking of getting more clinical attacking players rather than changing the shape of the team. I think the shape and style of the team is about right. Lots of people are focused on us only playing one striker and saying our team is too defensive but how many players stay back at all times? 2 and a half. Both full-backs push right up leaving just the 2 centre-backs and Bridcutt but even he supports the attack. A team that leaves just 2 players out of the attack isn't that defensive, is it?

IMHO, the style and shape are fine. We just need to be more clinical in the attacking third. Creating chances hasn't been a problem, especially at home. Even more will be created if we can keep Vicente fit for the remaining games. It's taking the chances we need to be better at.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: West stander I think I slightly mislead you in my comments. When I say that I have been bangng on about two strikers what I meant was, bring in Ulloa and another. We have needed the target man, or if you like, Ulloa, for ages but we didn't find one, but we could have bought a out and out striker whilst waiting to find our target man. We had Dobbie but we all know that didn't work. I am still of the opinion that we should get another striker and the loan window might give us the chance to.[/p][/quote]Oh ok. 2 new strikers! I think Hoskins would feel even more hard done by then! As things stand, we already have 3 strikers to fill one position. That's not counting Barnes who would probably still name striker as his preferred position despite being moulded into other positions. However, I support the thinking of getting more clinical attacking players rather than changing the shape of the team. I think the shape and style of the team is about right. Lots of people are focused on us only playing one striker and saying our team is too defensive but how many players stay back at all times? 2 and a half. Both full-backs push right up leaving just the 2 centre-backs and Bridcutt but even he supports the attack. A team that leaves just 2 players out of the attack isn't that defensive, is it? IMHO, the style and shape are fine. We just need to be more clinical in the attacking third. Creating chances hasn't been a problem, especially at home. Even more will be created if we can keep Vicente fit for the remaining games. It's taking the chances we need to be better at. WestStander17
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2:18pm Thu 7 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

WestStander I agree, the style is ok it's all down to the fact that we have not finished off enough of the chances created.

Had we acted earlier and bought a new striker, at about the time that Gus realised that Dobbie wasn't going to do it, we migth be better off today.

I am a CMS fan, and he is not the only one to miss chances but his score ratio to shots taken is not high.

It seems very clear that Hoskins, for what ever reason, is not the striker that Gus feels can do the job. I am not saying that is right or wrong, it just seems that way to me.
That said, our number of strikers over the last few months has been poor. Dobbie, didn't happen, Hoskins not happening, Barnes, converted to a utility player, we were short of options. Had we got a new out and out striker it could have helped. Today we have Ulloa but as I said yesterday, hoping that he will score enough goals to get us into the playoffs is a big ask, others have to get on the score sheet too.
WestStander I agree, the style is ok it's all down to the fact that we have not finished off enough of the chances created. Had we acted earlier and bought a new striker, at about the time that Gus realised that Dobbie wasn't going to do it, we migth be better off today. I am a CMS fan, and he is not the only one to miss chances but his score ratio to shots taken is not high. It seems very clear that Hoskins, for what ever reason, is not the striker that Gus feels can do the job. I am not saying that is right or wrong, it just seems that way to me. That said, our number of strikers over the last few months has been poor. Dobbie, didn't happen, Hoskins not happening, Barnes, converted to a utility player, we were short of options. Had we got a new out and out striker it could have helped. Today we have Ulloa but as I said yesterday, hoping that he will score enough goals to get us into the playoffs is a big ask, others have to get on the score sheet too. VegasSeagull
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2:42pm Thu 7 Feb 13

WestStander17 says...

Agree with that, Vegas. I am a CMS fan too (although it may not sound like it at times!) but he isn't a "natural finisher". I keep believing that he could get on a run of goal scoring but it hasn't happened. It's a very different approach to that of the Peterborough team he was in and his goals tally has suffered. He seems to need a lot of chances before he takes one. If we'd had Michael Owen or someone like him playing all season, I think we'd be very near the top.

We are yet to see if Ulloa has the knack of putting it in the net. Hopefully he does but I think he will create more goals for others than CMS does.
Agree with that, Vegas. I am a CMS fan too (although it may not sound like it at times!) but he isn't a "natural finisher". I keep believing that he could get on a run of goal scoring but it hasn't happened. It's a very different approach to that of the Peterborough team he was in and his goals tally has suffered. He seems to need a lot of chances before he takes one. If we'd had Michael Owen or someone like him playing all season, I think we'd be very near the top. We are yet to see if Ulloa has the knack of putting it in the net. Hopefully he does but I think he will create more goals for others than CMS does. WestStander17
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3:53pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
WestStander I agree, the style is ok it's all down to the fact that we have not finished off enough of the chances created.

Had we acted earlier and bought a new striker, at about the time that Gus realised that Dobbie wasn't going to do it, we migth be better off today.

I am a CMS fan, and he is not the only one to miss chances but his score ratio to shots taken is not high.

It seems very clear that Hoskins, for what ever reason, is not the striker that Gus feels can do the job. I am not saying that is right or wrong, it just seems that way to me.
That said, our number of strikers over the last few months has been poor. Dobbie, didn't happen, Hoskins not happening, Barnes, converted to a utility player, we were short of options. Had we got a new out and out striker it could have helped. Today we have Ulloa but as I said yesterday, hoping that he will score enough goals to get us into the playoffs is a big ask, others have to get on the score sheet too.
The problem was, by the time it was obvious Dobbie wasn't the answer we were past the transfer window. Ulloa (paperwork notwithstanding) came as soon as was permissible.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: WestStander I agree, the style is ok it's all down to the fact that we have not finished off enough of the chances created. Had we acted earlier and bought a new striker, at about the time that Gus realised that Dobbie wasn't going to do it, we migth be better off today. I am a CMS fan, and he is not the only one to miss chances but his score ratio to shots taken is not high. It seems very clear that Hoskins, for what ever reason, is not the striker that Gus feels can do the job. I am not saying that is right or wrong, it just seems that way to me. That said, our number of strikers over the last few months has been poor. Dobbie, didn't happen, Hoskins not happening, Barnes, converted to a utility player, we were short of options. Had we got a new out and out striker it could have helped. Today we have Ulloa but as I said yesterday, hoping that he will score enough goals to get us into the playoffs is a big ask, others have to get on the score sheet too.[/p][/quote]The problem was, by the time it was obvious Dobbie wasn't the answer we were past the transfer window. Ulloa (paperwork notwithstanding) came as soon as was permissible. Old Scrote of the Amex
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3:57pm Thu 7 Feb 13

ballantrrae says...

WestStander17 wrote:
Agree with that, Vegas. I am a CMS fan too (although it may not sound like it at times!) but he isn't a "natural finisher". I keep believing that he could get on a run of goal scoring but it hasn't happened. It's a very different approach to that of the Peterborough team he was in and his goals tally has suffered. He seems to need a lot of chances before he takes one. If we'd had Michael Owen or someone like him playing all season, I think we'd be very near the top.

We are yet to see if Ulloa has the knack of putting it in the net. Hopefully he does but I think he will create more goals for others than CMS does.
Good post Westander17, VegasSeagull and others re the Stats, goals scored striker debate.
From the stats it is clear from those quoted that we have had more corners than others - we are the only team of those quoted that have had more than 200.
Gosportgull posted that the Albion move the ball forward too slowly. The corners stat seems to support that view. Simply the opposition is able to get plenty of players behind the ball which means when we attack/shoot more corners result.
Thoughts ?
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: Agree with that, Vegas. I am a CMS fan too (although it may not sound like it at times!) but he isn't a "natural finisher". I keep believing that he could get on a run of goal scoring but it hasn't happened. It's a very different approach to that of the Peterborough team he was in and his goals tally has suffered. He seems to need a lot of chances before he takes one. If we'd had Michael Owen or someone like him playing all season, I think we'd be very near the top. We are yet to see if Ulloa has the knack of putting it in the net. Hopefully he does but I think he will create more goals for others than CMS does.[/p][/quote]Good post Westander17, VegasSeagull and others re the Stats, goals scored striker debate. From the stats it is clear from those quoted that we have had more corners than others - we are the only team of those quoted that have had more than 200. Gosportgull posted that the Albion move the ball forward too slowly. The corners stat seems to support that view. Simply the opposition is able to get plenty of players behind the ball which means when we attack/shoot more corners result. Thoughts ? ballantrrae
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4:44pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
This season Brighton have had 329 shots of which 157 were on target resulting in just 41 goals We have amassed a total of 202 corner kicks. Cardiff have had 338 shots of which 175 were on target resulting in 51 goals. They have had 184 corner kicks. Just nine more shots than us but ten goals more and 17 more on target. Think of all the drawn matches we have had and consider those ten goals. Numbers such as these go some way to explain why we are not in the top six.
The Watford stats are amazing cpmpared to ours and others.
This whole '% of shots on target' stat is a little bit disingenuous, isn't it? You could get all your efforts on target if you aimed down the middle, but to score you have to aim just inside the post, thus increasing your chances of missing altogether. Even shots to goals isn't helpful as that stat favours team who prefer to walk the ball in rather than take a punt. Chances to goals, perhaps?
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: This season Brighton have had 329 shots of which 157 were on target resulting in just 41 goals We have amassed a total of 202 corner kicks. Cardiff have had 338 shots of which 175 were on target resulting in 51 goals. They have had 184 corner kicks. Just nine more shots than us but ten goals more and 17 more on target. Think of all the drawn matches we have had and consider those ten goals. Numbers such as these go some way to explain why we are not in the top six.[/p][/quote]The Watford stats are amazing cpmpared to ours and others.[/p][/quote]This whole '% of shots on target' stat is a little bit disingenuous, isn't it? You could get all your efforts on target if you aimed down the middle, but to score you have to aim just inside the post, thus increasing your chances of missing altogether. Even shots to goals isn't helpful as that stat favours team who prefer to walk the ball in rather than take a punt. Chances to goals, perhaps? Old Scrote of the Amex
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