Poyet: Budget makes the difference

Gus Poyet bellows instructions during Albion's draw with Blackburn

Gus Poyet bellows instructions during Albion's draw with Blackburn

First published in Albion by , Chief sports reporter

Albion boss Gus Poyet insists budget size is the reason his team is on the fringes of the Championship play-offs and not up with the leaders.

He was bursting with pride at the performance against Blackburn Rovers at The Amex last night, even though the Seagulls had to settle for a 1-1 draw.

Poyet said: “I’m very proud. You would have to spend heavily at any level in any country to have those first 20 minutes of football.

“Tactically, technically, speed, position, chances, it was absolutely spectacular and that is through the work we have been doing in the last two or three years and, of course, with the understanding and belief of the players.

“That for me was enough, I wanted to finish the game after 20 minutes. The money was worth it already.”

Albion needed a second-half penalty from man-of-the-match Vicente to cancel out Scott Dann’s first-half header for Blackburn from a corner.

They are now four points off the play-offs after Middlesbrough beat Leeds 1-0 at home but Poyet said: “Maybe we are over-achieving when you are in the bottom half of the budget and play the way we play. Everybody likes Barcelona and Spain but we don’t play like them or copy them, because we don’t have those players.

“But we have a style for the rest of our lives, for as long as the chairman is alive, and it’s unique. The rest? I don’t care how they play.

“You give me the budget of Cardiff, Leicester or Blackburn Rovers and I’ll play this way and beat you week in week out. If not I will give you my money back at the end of the year.

“I promise you, I’d put my contract on it, because it’s not difficult, it’s about quality.”

Albion are waiting for the results of hospital tests on a suspected serious knee injury suffered by recalled striker Will Hoskins, who was stretchered off in the first half.

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10:13am Wed 13 Feb 13

Alan G Skinner says...

Gus we have 45 points to play for and I absolutely believe we will make the play offs. I fancy us to cause an "upset" at Cardiff next week. I am so proud of our Chairman, GP, MT, CO, all the coaching staff and the entire squad. The football we are playing is stunning and we have a genuine footballing identity. I never want to see Brighton and Hove Albion playing differently from how we are now. As for the budget things will get better and better for us, we are playing financial catchup because of our history and the consequences of that. We are the best supported club in the Championship and only nine clubs in the entire country have more season ticket holders than us. The only way is up for us, evidenced by our world class stadium and world class training facility currently under construction. Keep the faith.
Gus we have 45 points to play for and I absolutely believe we will make the play offs. I fancy us to cause an "upset" at Cardiff next week. I am so proud of our Chairman, GP, MT, CO, all the coaching staff and the entire squad. The football we are playing is stunning and we have a genuine footballing identity. I never want to see Brighton and Hove Albion playing differently from how we are now. As for the budget things will get better and better for us, we are playing financial catchup because of our history and the consequences of that. We are the best supported club in the Championship and only nine clubs in the entire country have more season ticket holders than us. The only way is up for us, evidenced by our world class stadium and world class training facility currently under construction. Keep the faith. Alan G Skinner
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10:16am Wed 13 Feb 13

LesBerry says...

You can't help but love him - can you ??

But not sure how the players must feel about essentially being referred to as the "cheaper" options !!
You can't help but love him - can you ?? But not sure how the players must feel about essentially being referred to as the "cheaper" options !! LesBerry
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10:27am Wed 13 Feb 13

fratsomrover says...

Poor Gus, he is funny sometimes. Last night was the best we have played all season. As he says “Tactically, technically, speed, position, chances, it was absolutely spectacular. Although why he wanted it to end after 20 mins when it was 0 v 0, I dont know ?. Budget or not, it was a performance of the highest level and as someone said last night, it could/should have ended up 8 v 2, There were that many chances. Now it could be just down to Vicente, because he was outstanding last night, but I would also suggest that it is down to mindset and that Gus chose to play an attacking line-up, which he has been reluctant to do previously.
I, for one feel that if we had played with the same positive intent over the last 4 months as we did last night, we would be in the top 2. It may still be possible to make the play-offs, but if we dont it will be a travesty of justice as we showed last night that we can be an exceptional team. Dreadful shame about Hoskins, I've been advocating his inclusion for months. Also good game from Hammond, just a pity he failed to convert those 2 chances just before the break, but good to see him getting on the end of those chances.
Still not convinced Bruno is up to pace. He links up well but his final ball in was pretty poor and he also had more passes intercepted than anyone else. Must be a close call between him, Calde and Lopez for that birth.
Poor Gus, he is funny sometimes. Last night was the best we have played all season. As he says “Tactically, technically, speed, position, chances, it was absolutely spectacular. Although why he wanted it to end after 20 mins when it was 0 v 0, I dont know ?. Budget or not, it was a performance of the highest level and as someone said last night, it could/should have ended up 8 v 2, There were that many chances. Now it could be just down to Vicente, because he was outstanding last night, but I would also suggest that it is down to mindset and that Gus chose to play an attacking line-up, which he has been reluctant to do previously. I, for one feel that if we had played with the same positive intent over the last 4 months as we did last night, we would be in the top 2. It may still be possible to make the play-offs, but if we dont it will be a travesty of justice as we showed last night that we can be an exceptional team. Dreadful shame about Hoskins, I've been advocating his inclusion for months. Also good game from Hammond, just a pity he failed to convert those 2 chances just before the break, but good to see him getting on the end of those chances. Still not convinced Bruno is up to pace. He links up well but his final ball in was pretty poor and he also had more passes intercepted than anyone else. Must be a close call between him, Calde and Lopez for that birth. fratsomrover
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11:01am Wed 13 Feb 13

Jonathan Mouette says...

Last night was superb. Keep the faith; as I said in an earlier thread someone is going to be on the end of an almighty thumping before too long.
Without even playing on Saturday our situation may become clearer... Palarse are at home to Boro... They can't both get 3 points and 1 each might, just might, be better. Any bets on us overtaking both Boro and Palarse on March 13..?
Last night was superb. Keep the faith; as I said in an earlier thread someone is going to be on the end of an almighty thumping before too long. Without even playing on Saturday our situation may become clearer... Palarse are at home to Boro... They can't both get 3 points and 1 each might, just might, be better. Any bets on us overtaking both Boro and Palarse on March 13..? Jonathan Mouette
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11:09am Wed 13 Feb 13

fairweathersupporter says...

I echo all the positive comments and was surprised and so nearly delighted at the attacking intent of the 4-3-3.
As regards Hoskins, luck is one of those things that you just can't buy...
With regards to the budget, i don;t think we're over achieving. With the quality that Gus has got in, i think perhaps he is selling himself and the players a bit short. With a bit more luck (there it is again), we all know we would be up the top instead of the scrap for 6th.
I echo all the positive comments and was surprised and so nearly delighted at the attacking intent of the 4-3-3. As regards Hoskins, luck is one of those things that you just can't buy... With regards to the budget, i don;t think we're over achieving. With the quality that Gus has got in, i think perhaps he is selling himself and the players a bit short. With a bit more luck (there it is again), we all know we would be up the top instead of the scrap for 6th. fairweathersupporter
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11:10am Wed 13 Feb 13

Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS) says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
Gus we have 45 points to play for and I absolutely believe we will make the play offs. I fancy us to cause an "upset" at Cardiff next week. I am so proud of our Chairman, GP, MT, CO, all the coaching staff and the entire squad. The football we are playing is stunning and we have a genuine footballing identity. I never want to see Brighton and Hove Albion playing differently from how we are now. As for the budget things will get better and better for us, we are playing financial catchup because of our history and the consequences of that. We are the best supported club in the Championship and only nine clubs in the entire country have more season ticket holders than us. The only way is up for us, evidenced by our world class stadium and world class training facility currently under construction. Keep the faith.
Well said Alan - I totally agree. Let's all remind ourselves how life once was for us and how much brighter our future is now. The faith is well and truly kept by me!

UTA
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: Gus we have 45 points to play for and I absolutely believe we will make the play offs. I fancy us to cause an "upset" at Cardiff next week. I am so proud of our Chairman, GP, MT, CO, all the coaching staff and the entire squad. The football we are playing is stunning and we have a genuine footballing identity. I never want to see Brighton and Hove Albion playing differently from how we are now. As for the budget things will get better and better for us, we are playing financial catchup because of our history and the consequences of that. We are the best supported club in the Championship and only nine clubs in the entire country have more season ticket holders than us. The only way is up for us, evidenced by our world class stadium and world class training facility currently under construction. Keep the faith.[/p][/quote]Well said Alan - I totally agree. Let's all remind ourselves how life once was for us and how much brighter our future is now. The faith is well and truly kept by me! UTA Seagulls Over Surrey (SOS)
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11:11am Wed 13 Feb 13

Eddy B says...

Don't really know what Gus is talking about there. He hasn't exactly had his hands tied in the transfer market and has assembled quite an awesome squad (not that I agree with all his transactions). Also a bit disingenuous to the new players he has brought in. If he was making a sideways swipe at Blackburn able to spend so many million on Rhodes then personally on last night's showing I'd stick with our "bargain basement" purchases.

The first 20 mins was indeed a joy to watch and I was thinking if Brighton keep this up Blackburn are going to be exhausted playing chase ball.

Interesting that our best quarter of the season coincided with Hoskins playing in a very attacking line up but it was more to do with Vicente than anyone else. He was a pleasure to watch. Pulling the strings, beating their midfield hackers at will. Calling for the ball, recieving it short from Bridders and Hammond, before accelerating off on a run, taking all the corners, penalties!, free kicks, most short so he could receive the ball straight back and then beat a few more defenders before delivering the ball on a plate into the box with either foot. He really looked up for it.

But YET AGAIN the breakaway goal took the wind out of our sails and although we were always the better team we were never quite as on top again.

One last point - it could have been alot worse. Did anyone notice how close we were to going 2 nil down with that El Abd handball in the box just before our penalty? Would be interested to see that on telly (i may be wrong but it looked like he virtually made a diving save!).
Don't really know what Gus is talking about there. He hasn't exactly had his hands tied in the transfer market and has assembled quite an awesome squad (not that I agree with all his transactions). Also a bit disingenuous to the new players he has brought in. If he was making a sideways swipe at Blackburn able to spend so many million on Rhodes then personally on last night's showing I'd stick with our "bargain basement" purchases. The first 20 mins was indeed a joy to watch and I was thinking if Brighton keep this up Blackburn are going to be exhausted playing chase ball. Interesting that our best quarter of the season coincided with Hoskins playing in a very attacking line up but it was more to do with Vicente than anyone else. He was a pleasure to watch. Pulling the strings, beating their midfield hackers at will. Calling for the ball, recieving it short from Bridders and Hammond, before accelerating off on a run, taking all the corners, penalties!, free kicks, most short so he could receive the ball straight back and then beat a few more defenders before delivering the ball on a plate into the box with either foot. He really looked up for it. But YET AGAIN the breakaway goal took the wind out of our sails and although we were always the better team we were never quite as on top again. One last point - it could have been alot worse. Did anyone notice how close we were to going 2 nil down with that El Abd handball in the box just before our penalty? Would be interested to see that on telly (i may be wrong but it looked like he virtually made a diving save!). Eddy B
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11:13am Wed 13 Feb 13

LACHANCE says...

We just need that bit of luck infront of goal.The bounce of the ball etc.It will come.
We just need that bit of luck infront of goal.The bounce of the ball etc.It will come. LACHANCE
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11:28am Wed 13 Feb 13

jockithenoo says...

LACHANCE wrote:
We just need that bit of luck infront of goal.The bounce of the ball etc.It will come.
And so say all of us !
I thought last night was fantastic attacking game we had far more chances with that line up than on Saturday against hull and Blackburn are much stronger than hull.
Keep it up and keep the faith.
UTA
[quote][p][bold]LACHANCE[/bold] wrote: We just need that bit of luck infront of goal.The bounce of the ball etc.It will come.[/p][/quote]And so say all of us ! I thought last night was fantastic attacking game we had far more chances with that line up than on Saturday against hull and Blackburn are much stronger than hull. Keep it up and keep the faith. UTA jockithenoo
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11:45am Wed 13 Feb 13

WestStander17 says...

Alan G Skinner wrote:
Gus we have 45 points to play for and I absolutely believe we will make the play offs. I fancy us to cause an "upset" at Cardiff next week. I am so proud of our Chairman, GP, MT, CO, all the coaching staff and the entire squad. The football we are playing is stunning and we have a genuine footballing identity. I never want to see Brighton and Hove Albion playing differently from how we are now. As for the budget things will get better and better for us, we are playing financial catchup because of our history and the consequences of that. We are the best supported club in the Championship and only nine clubs in the entire country have more season ticket holders than us. The only way is up for us, evidenced by our world class stadium and world class training facility currently under construction. Keep the faith.
Top post, Alan. Totally agree!

Got to love Gus. He has made us one of the best footballing sides around. Still outside chance of making those play-offs. Keep playing like last night and we can't be far away. And, if we don't make it, we will be thoroughly entertained anyway!

Keep up the good work, Gus!
[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: Gus we have 45 points to play for and I absolutely believe we will make the play offs. I fancy us to cause an "upset" at Cardiff next week. I am so proud of our Chairman, GP, MT, CO, all the coaching staff and the entire squad. The football we are playing is stunning and we have a genuine footballing identity. I never want to see Brighton and Hove Albion playing differently from how we are now. As for the budget things will get better and better for us, we are playing financial catchup because of our history and the consequences of that. We are the best supported club in the Championship and only nine clubs in the entire country have more season ticket holders than us. The only way is up for us, evidenced by our world class stadium and world class training facility currently under construction. Keep the faith.[/p][/quote]Top post, Alan. Totally agree! Got to love Gus. He has made us one of the best footballing sides around. Still outside chance of making those play-offs. Keep playing like last night and we can't be far away. And, if we don't make it, we will be thoroughly entertained anyway! Keep up the good work, Gus! WestStander17
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12:06pm Wed 13 Feb 13

SMF20 says...

It certainly was a fantastic performance last night.

The whole team and in particular Vicente were on top of their games, we made a very good (on paper) Blackburn side look below average.

For anyone that has not seen Vicente play, i would strongly suggest that if you get the opportunity to attend a match soon, you will not be sorry. I dont think i have ever seen a better individual performance than the one he delighted us all with only yesterday.

Rather than say the same as everyone else who are spot on i thought id bring up another slightly different question...

With El abd puttting in 2 very decent performances and Upson bringing a wealth of experience to the team, do you think that our skipper is going to get back in the side when fit?
I very much rate GG but i have to say that i would feel pretty gutted if i was one of the other 2 and suddenly found myself making way to accommodate him.

Thoughts guys?
.
It certainly was a fantastic performance last night. The whole team and in particular Vicente were on top of their games, we made a very good (on paper) Blackburn side look below average. For anyone that has not seen Vicente play, i would strongly suggest that if you get the opportunity to attend a match soon, you will not be sorry. I dont think i have ever seen a better individual performance than the one he delighted us all with only yesterday. Rather than say the same as everyone else who are spot on i thought id bring up another slightly different question... With El abd puttting in 2 very decent performances and Upson bringing a wealth of experience to the team, do you think that our skipper is going to get back in the side when fit? I very much rate GG but i have to say that i would feel pretty gutted if i was one of the other 2 and suddenly found myself making way to accommodate him. Thoughts guys? . SMF20
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12:21pm Wed 13 Feb 13

tooncgull says...

Id keep Upson in rather than bring back Greer. Upson is only year older than Greer, has slotted in well, and has played in World Cups, premiership etc..
Greer is a great pro, but, this is his highest level, arguably, and he is 32.

I think Upson has done well - I'd keep him in when both are fit.
Id keep Upson in rather than bring back Greer. Upson is only year older than Greer, has slotted in well, and has played in World Cups, premiership etc.. Greer is a great pro, but, this is his highest level, arguably, and he is 32. I think Upson has done well - I'd keep him in when both are fit. tooncgull
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12:21pm Wed 13 Feb 13

allbarnunn says...

If indeed our budget is less than others then credit surely to the manager and coaching staff to produce to bring the best out in our players. It's still all to play for and I wonder whether away games will be better for us with home sides having to come out and perform rather than defend en masse
If indeed our budget is less than others then credit surely to the manager and coaching staff to produce to bring the best out in our players. It's still all to play for and I wonder whether away games will be better for us with home sides having to come out and perform rather than defend en masse allbarnunn
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12:39pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Freeloaders says...

But like when i got home Saturday night and watched it back on tv the sky guys had it spot on.Whats the point of playing like that they don't get anywhere?Plus all that possession but they can't score goals.Its been the same now for two season's.What you all saying same again next season?CMS & Hoskins LOL.They will never get the club into the prem-league.Good of Gus to let the players know their not upto much,which makes you ask why spend so many millions on them in the first place.With Hoskins thats 7 million on strikes alone.A few other clubs in the champonship would like that.Lets be honest the last two games have been the Vicente show,his in a different league to the rest of them.We would have lost the last two games 100% without him.Which makes us a mid table team know better than last season.More to the point how many really see him & Bridge here next season.
But like when i got home Saturday night and watched it back on tv the sky guys had it spot on.Whats the point of playing like that they don't get anywhere?Plus all that possession but they can't score goals.Its been the same now for two season's.What you all saying same again next season?CMS & Hoskins LOL.They will never get the club into the prem-league.Good of Gus to let the players know their not upto much,which makes you ask why spend so many millions on them in the first place.With Hoskins thats 7 million on strikes alone.A few other clubs in the champonship would like that.Lets be honest the last two games have been the Vicente show,his in a different league to the rest of them.We would have lost the last two games 100% without him.Which makes us a mid table team know better than last season.More to the point how many really see him & Bridge here next season. Freeloaders
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12:48pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Freeloaders wrote:
But like when i got home Saturday night and watched it back on tv the sky guys had it spot on.Whats the point of playing like that they don't get anywhere?Plus all that possession but they can't score goals.Its been the same now for two season's.What you all saying same again next season?CMS & Hoskins LOL.They will never get the club into the prem-league.Good of Gus to let the players know their not upto much,which makes you ask why spend so many millions on them in the first place.With Hoskins thats 7 million on strikes alone.A few other clubs in the champonship would like that.Lets be honest the last two games have been the Vicente show,his in a different league to the rest of them.We would have lost the last two games 100% without him.Which makes us a mid table team know better than last season.More to the point how many really see him & Bridge here next season.
Where do you get £7m from? (Genuine question - I am perplexed.) And I'm not sure how Vicente stopped us losing against Hull. Granted, he helped us win, but I thought TK was in goal?
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: But like when i got home Saturday night and watched it back on tv the sky guys had it spot on.Whats the point of playing like that they don't get anywhere?Plus all that possession but they can't score goals.Its been the same now for two season's.What you all saying same again next season?CMS & Hoskins LOL.They will never get the club into the prem-league.Good of Gus to let the players know their not upto much,which makes you ask why spend so many millions on them in the first place.With Hoskins thats 7 million on strikes alone.A few other clubs in the champonship would like that.Lets be honest the last two games have been the Vicente show,his in a different league to the rest of them.We would have lost the last two games 100% without him.Which makes us a mid table team know better than last season.More to the point how many really see him & Bridge here next season.[/p][/quote]Where do you get £7m from? (Genuine question - I am perplexed.) And I'm not sure how Vicente stopped us losing against Hull. Granted, he helped us win, but I thought TK was in goal? Old Scrote of the Amex
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12:56pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Neillo says...

Does GP have an agent or does he do his own negotiating ? Because if you read between the lines it's all about Him isn't it ? '' Over achieving '' '' Spectacular '' '' Give me the Cardiff etc budget ''....sounds like he's talking himself up for the Chelsea / West Ham job.
Does GP have an agent or does he do his own negotiating ? Because if you read between the lines it's all about Him isn't it ? '' Over achieving '' '' Spectacular '' '' Give me the Cardiff etc budget ''....sounds like he's talking himself up for the Chelsea / West Ham job. Neillo
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1:02pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Eddy B says...

Agree SMF. Thought Upson and El Abd were fine last night so don't even expect GG would expect to walk straight back in. It is amazing to consider the abundance of multi national stars we have in our ranks these days. We've come a long way since Withdean.
Agree SMF. Thought Upson and El Abd were fine last night so don't even expect GG would expect to walk straight back in. It is amazing to consider the abundance of multi national stars we have in our ranks these days. We've come a long way since Withdean. Eddy B
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1:02pm Wed 13 Feb 13

jockithenoo says...

Neillo wrote:
Does GP have an agent or does he do his own negotiating ? Because if you read between the lines it's all about Him isn't it ? '' Over achieving '' '' Spectacular '' '' Give me the Cardiff etc budget ''....sounds like he's talking himself up for the Chelsea / West Ham job.
Don't see Gus at west ham
Chelsea maybe !
bug jump though to Chelsea he's not at that level yet.
Keep the faith
UTA
[quote][p][bold]Neillo[/bold] wrote: Does GP have an agent or does he do his own negotiating ? Because if you read between the lines it's all about Him isn't it ? '' Over achieving '' '' Spectacular '' '' Give me the Cardiff etc budget ''....sounds like he's talking himself up for the Chelsea / West Ham job.[/p][/quote]Don't see Gus at west ham Chelsea maybe ! bug jump though to Chelsea he's not at that level yet. Keep the faith UTA jockithenoo
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1:11pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

jockithenoo wrote:
Neillo wrote:
Does GP have an agent or does he do his own negotiating ? Because if you read between the lines it's all about Him isn't it ? '' Over achieving '' '' Spectacular '' '' Give me the Cardiff etc budget ''....sounds like he's talking himself up for the Chelsea / West Ham job.
Don't see Gus at west ham
Chelsea maybe !
bug jump though to Chelsea he's not at that level yet.
Keep the faith
UTA
Just think what he could do with the players at Roberto Mancini's disposal.
[quote][p][bold]jockithenoo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Neillo[/bold] wrote: Does GP have an agent or does he do his own negotiating ? Because if you read between the lines it's all about Him isn't it ? '' Over achieving '' '' Spectacular '' '' Give me the Cardiff etc budget ''....sounds like he's talking himself up for the Chelsea / West Ham job.[/p][/quote]Don't see Gus at west ham Chelsea maybe ! bug jump though to Chelsea he's not at that level yet. Keep the faith UTA[/p][/quote]Just think what he could do with the players at Roberto Mancini's disposal. Old Scrote of the Amex
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1:23pm Wed 13 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Freeloaders wrote:
But like when i got home Saturday night and watched it back on tv the sky guys had it spot on.Whats the point of playing like that they don't get anywhere?Plus all that possession but they can't score goals.Its been the same now for two season's.What you all saying same again next season?CMS & Hoskins LOL.They will never get the club into the prem-league.Good of Gus to let the players know their not upto much,which makes you ask why spend so many millions on them in the first place.With Hoskins thats 7 million on strikes alone.A few other clubs in the champonship would like that.Lets be honest the last two games have been the Vicente show,his in a different league to the rest of them.We would have lost the last two games 100% without him.Which makes us a mid table team know better than last season.More to the point how many really see him & Bridge here next season.
Where do you get £7m from? (Genuine question - I am perplexed.) And I'm not sure how Vicente stopped us losing against Hull. Granted, he helped us win, but I thought TK was in goal?
Yes sorry freeloader, the 7 million is spent on three strikers? 500k Hoskins, 2.5 million cms and 1.5 million ulloa?
I honestly think the budget is wages not buying power, lots of great players out of contract this summer, but it's about the wage that counts ..
Think Gus is thinking about the Dutch lad, when we are struggling to up our spend.
Point freeloader is making is not valid, for instance the premiership like arsenal have lost players because they won't bust there wage structure..
I hate to think where Qpr will end up,
The club is being run on sound business ideals, yes we could spend on this player or that! Big clear out coming in summer, then Gus can tweak his side.
Also some silly comments already regarding ulloa, Gus stated he was tired at the weekend, the guy can't speak English, never played in the Gus style, and has not played first team football till his arrival this season.
Give him a break, he will score bags of goals.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: But like when i got home Saturday night and watched it back on tv the sky guys had it spot on.Whats the point of playing like that they don't get anywhere?Plus all that possession but they can't score goals.Its been the same now for two season's.What you all saying same again next season?CMS & Hoskins LOL.They will never get the club into the prem-league.Good of Gus to let the players know their not upto much,which makes you ask why spend so many millions on them in the first place.With Hoskins thats 7 million on strikes alone.A few other clubs in the champonship would like that.Lets be honest the last two games have been the Vicente show,his in a different league to the rest of them.We would have lost the last two games 100% without him.Which makes us a mid table team know better than last season.More to the point how many really see him & Bridge here next season.[/p][/quote]Where do you get £7m from? (Genuine question - I am perplexed.) And I'm not sure how Vicente stopped us losing against Hull. Granted, he helped us win, but I thought TK was in goal?[/p][/quote]Yes sorry freeloader, the 7 million is spent on three strikers? 500k Hoskins, 2.5 million cms and 1.5 million ulloa? I honestly think the budget is wages not buying power, lots of great players out of contract this summer, but it's about the wage that counts .. Think Gus is thinking about the Dutch lad, when we are struggling to up our spend. Point freeloader is making is not valid, for instance the premiership like arsenal have lost players because they won't bust there wage structure.. I hate to think where Qpr will end up, The club is being run on sound business ideals, yes we could spend on this player or that! Big clear out coming in summer, then Gus can tweak his side. Also some silly comments already regarding ulloa, Gus stated he was tired at the weekend, the guy can't speak English, never played in the Gus style, and has not played first team football till his arrival this season. Give him a break, he will score bags of goals. mark by the sea
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1:25pm Wed 13 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

Budget, it all comes down to the budget. If the budget was bigger our success levels would be greater but with what he has to spend, last night was an example of how good Gus is at his job.

That to me is basically what Gus is saying, I don't have the budget of other clubs but I have found quality at a price we can afford and better than the budget would have been expected to deliver.

This article almost reads as a, 'come and get me,' invite to the prem clubs. 'If I can do this with little resources just think what I could do with more,' and he is right.

Many on here, myself included, were so worried about losing one or more of our gems during the transfer window, the most valuable gem we have at BHA is Gus Poyet, he is the gem we have to keep hold of.
People have asked why we didn't sign this player or that player, suggesting that Gus missed a chance, the answer is the budget.

It looks like we have some new money coming to the club via new sponsorship deals, I just hope that we still have Gus when that money arrives.

For those that would claim that Gus spent badly on a striker costing three million or more, I would say, a three million striker needs a ten million support group to provide. Does anyone think that the top strikers in football would be what they are without those playing behind them, Gus doesn't have the budget for that to happen.

I don't think Gus is insulting hi splayers when he suggests that with a bigger budget he would have better players to choose from. What I think he is saying is, thanks for coming to Brighton on the wages we can pay you and thanks for working so hard. Wages not purchase price is the problem and some of the sisnings could have got more elsewhere but they chose to come to Brighton.

You are wrong Mr. Freeloader, IMHO.
Budget, it all comes down to the budget. If the budget was bigger our success levels would be greater but with what he has to spend, last night was an example of how good Gus is at his job. That to me is basically what Gus is saying, I don't have the budget of other clubs but I have found quality at a price we can afford and better than the budget would have been expected to deliver. This article almost reads as a, 'come and get me,' invite to the prem clubs. 'If I can do this with little resources just think what I could do with more,' and he is right. Many on here, myself included, were so worried about losing one or more of our gems during the transfer window, the most valuable gem we have at BHA is Gus Poyet, he is the gem we have to keep hold of. People have asked why we didn't sign this player or that player, suggesting that Gus missed a chance, the answer is the budget. It looks like we have some new money coming to the club via new sponsorship deals, I just hope that we still have Gus when that money arrives. For those that would claim that Gus spent badly on a striker costing three million or more, I would say, a three million striker needs a ten million support group to provide. Does anyone think that the top strikers in football would be what they are without those playing behind them, Gus doesn't have the budget for that to happen. I don't think Gus is insulting hi splayers when he suggests that with a bigger budget he would have better players to choose from. What I think he is saying is, thanks for coming to Brighton on the wages we can pay you and thanks for working so hard. Wages not purchase price is the problem and some of the sisnings could have got more elsewhere but they chose to come to Brighton. You are wrong Mr. Freeloader, IMHO. VegasSeagull
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1:27pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Poplar Seagull says...

I hate it when Gus starts talking about budgets – what is he trying to do here? Try and tell us what a great job he is doing on a shoe-string budget, and justify why we haven’t beaten the mighty rich Blackburn!

We have CMS and Ulloa, and they are 5 million between them. Then we have the likes of Bridge and Upson on loan, not to mention Vicente and kuszczak – who I am sure are all very well paid!

So what is he exactly on about!? We have a great chairman who has put lots of money into the club and given Gus a substantial amount on transfer fees and wages, so we should be doing well and we should have beaten Blackburn – simple as that. I for one do not feel sorry for Gus, if that’s what he wants from us
I hate it when Gus starts talking about budgets – what is he trying to do here? Try and tell us what a great job he is doing on a shoe-string budget, and justify why we haven’t beaten the mighty rich Blackburn! We have CMS and Ulloa, and they are 5 million between them. Then we have the likes of Bridge and Upson on loan, not to mention Vicente and kuszczak – who I am sure are all very well paid! So what is he exactly on about!? We have a great chairman who has put lots of money into the club and given Gus a substantial amount on transfer fees and wages, so we should be doing well and we should have beaten Blackburn – simple as that. I for one do not feel sorry for Gus, if that’s what he wants from us Poplar Seagull
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1:37pm Wed 13 Feb 13

graham w says...

I totally agree with, alan g skinner comments, and soon it will all click into place ,and someone will get a real spanking.... uta ...
I totally agree with, alan g skinner comments, and soon it will all click into place ,and someone will get a real spanking.... uta ... graham w
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1:44pm Wed 13 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

Poplar Seagull wrote:
I hate it when Gus starts talking about budgets – what is he trying to do here? Try and tell us what a great job he is doing on a shoe-string budget, and justify why we haven’t beaten the mighty rich Blackburn!

We have CMS and Ulloa, and they are 5 million between them. Then we have the likes of Bridge and Upson on loan, not to mention Vicente and kuszczak – who I am sure are all very well paid!

So what is he exactly on about!? We have a great chairman who has put lots of money into the club and given Gus a substantial amount on transfer fees and wages, so we should be doing well and we should have beaten Blackburn – simple as that. I for one do not feel sorry for Gus, if that’s what he wants from us
When we signed cms we all said what a coup!!!! Now that player would be wow great, we have moved on so quickly in 18 months, imagine 12 months ago saying TK bridge and upson would be playing in defence, and caldi can't get in the side! Even GG will battle for a start now! Cms is fighting for a start! Gus now has to find more money to go to the next level .
Which means club finding more for him, seat prices to go up next year sound likely, surely a announcement about next years price structures.
[quote][p][bold]Poplar Seagull[/bold] wrote: I hate it when Gus starts talking about budgets – what is he trying to do here? Try and tell us what a great job he is doing on a shoe-string budget, and justify why we haven’t beaten the mighty rich Blackburn! We have CMS and Ulloa, and they are 5 million between them. Then we have the likes of Bridge and Upson on loan, not to mention Vicente and kuszczak – who I am sure are all very well paid! So what is he exactly on about!? We have a great chairman who has put lots of money into the club and given Gus a substantial amount on transfer fees and wages, so we should be doing well and we should have beaten Blackburn – simple as that. I for one do not feel sorry for Gus, if that’s what he wants from us[/p][/quote]When we signed cms we all said what a coup!!!! Now that player would be wow great, we have moved on so quickly in 18 months, imagine 12 months ago saying TK bridge and upson would be playing in defence, and caldi can't get in the side! Even GG will battle for a start now! Cms is fighting for a start! Gus now has to find more money to go to the next level . Which means club finding more for him, seat prices to go up next year sound likely, surely a announcement about next years price structures. mark by the sea
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1:48pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Albion23 says...

We have as a club shown how far we,.ve come. Terrific efffort last night,, Again our main problem as always finding the target.We still stand a shout at the play offs.As long as we go out to attack teams with a 2up front line up.If eventually G.P.stays or goese (hope he stays).he,s changed Albions style ofplay & cred beyond belief.
U.T.A
We have as a club shown how far we,.ve come. Terrific efffort last night,, Again our main problem as always finding the target.We still stand a shout at the play offs.As long as we go out to attack teams with a 2up front line up.If eventually G.P.stays or goese (hope he stays).he,s changed Albions style ofplay & cred beyond belief. U.T.A Albion23
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2:12pm Wed 13 Feb 13

tug509 says...

Although disappointing not to take all 3 points last night, after comfortably being the better team,i dont think too much damage has been caused. I think most of us had Brighton to beat Hull then Blackburn=6points,bu
t we have taken 4. If we can get at least 1 away at Cardiff,we will only be 1 point off what was expected,and 3 behind M,boro,take all 3 at the Riverside,and we are back on track.

But there are so many games until then that we may have made a win there a luxury,by having made up ground on the interim games. In other words,i agree with all those who still believe we will make the play-offs. IN BRIGHTON & HOVE ALBION I TRUST.
Although disappointing not to take all 3 points last night, after comfortably being the better team,i dont think too much damage has been caused. I think most of us had Brighton to beat Hull then Blackburn=6points,bu t we have taken 4. If we can get at least 1 away at Cardiff,we will only be 1 point off what was expected,and 3 behind M,boro,take all 3 at the Riverside,and we are back on track. But there are so many games until then that we may have made a win there a luxury,by having made up ground on the interim games. In other words,i agree with all those who still believe we will make the play-offs. IN BRIGHTON & HOVE ALBION I TRUST. tug509
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2:18pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Poplar Seagull wrote:
I hate it when Gus starts talking about budgets – what is he trying to do here? Try and tell us what a great job he is doing on a shoe-string budget, and justify why we haven’t beaten the mighty rich Blackburn!

We have CMS and Ulloa, and they are 5 million between them. Then we have the likes of Bridge and Upson on loan, not to mention Vicente and kuszczak – who I am sure are all very well paid!

So what is he exactly on about!? We have a great chairman who has put lots of money into the club and given Gus a substantial amount on transfer fees and wages, so we should be doing well and we should have beaten Blackburn – simple as that. I for one do not feel sorry for Gus, if that’s what he wants from us
If you think that are wages mean we should have beaten Blackburn Rovers, it's worth bearing in mind they are in a whole different ball park with players on 2-3 times what ours are. THEY should be beating US with their squad, so give Gus a break. The fact we were all over them like a rash is testament to Gus and his team.
[quote][p][bold]Poplar Seagull[/bold] wrote: I hate it when Gus starts talking about budgets – what is he trying to do here? Try and tell us what a great job he is doing on a shoe-string budget, and justify why we haven’t beaten the mighty rich Blackburn! We have CMS and Ulloa, and they are 5 million between them. Then we have the likes of Bridge and Upson on loan, not to mention Vicente and kuszczak – who I am sure are all very well paid! So what is he exactly on about!? We have a great chairman who has put lots of money into the club and given Gus a substantial amount on transfer fees and wages, so we should be doing well and we should have beaten Blackburn – simple as that. I for one do not feel sorry for Gus, if that’s what he wants from us[/p][/quote]If you think that are wages mean we should have beaten Blackburn Rovers, it's worth bearing in mind they are in a whole different ball park with players on 2-3 times what ours are. THEY should be beating US with their squad, so give Gus a break. The fact we were all over them like a rash is testament to Gus and his team. Old Scrote of the Amex
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2:20pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

mark by the sea wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Freeloaders wrote:
But like when i got home Saturday night and watched it back on tv the sky guys had it spot on.Whats the point of playing like that they don't get anywhere?Plus all that possession but they can't score goals.Its been the same now for two season's.What you all saying same again next season?CMS & Hoskins LOL.They will never get the club into the prem-league.Good of Gus to let the players know their not upto much,which makes you ask why spend so many millions on them in the first place.With Hoskins thats 7 million on strikes alone.A few other clubs in the champonship would like that.Lets be honest the last two games have been the Vicente show,his in a different league to the rest of them.We would have lost the last two games 100% without him.Which makes us a mid table team know better than last season.More to the point how many really see him & Bridge here next season.
Where do you get £7m from? (Genuine question - I am perplexed.) And I'm not sure how Vicente stopped us losing against Hull. Granted, he helped us win, but I thought TK was in goal?
Yes sorry freeloader, the 7 million is spent on three strikers? 500k Hoskins, 2.5 million cms and 1.5 million ulloa?
I honestly think the budget is wages not buying power, lots of great players out of contract this summer, but it's about the wage that counts ..
Think Gus is thinking about the Dutch lad, when we are struggling to up our spend.
Point freeloader is making is not valid, for instance the premiership like arsenal have lost players because they won't bust there wage structure..
I hate to think where Qpr will end up,
The club is being run on sound business ideals, yes we could spend on this player or that! Big clear out coming in summer, then Gus can tweak his side.
Also some silly comments already regarding ulloa, Gus stated he was tired at the weekend, the guy can't speak English, never played in the Gus style, and has not played first team football till his arrival this season.
Give him a break, he will score bags of goals.
I thought Ulloa played well last night. He linked up nicely, held the ball up, dropped back, flicked it on etc. As you say, if this is how he is in a new country just think what he'll be like when he settles in.
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: But like when i got home Saturday night and watched it back on tv the sky guys had it spot on.Whats the point of playing like that they don't get anywhere?Plus all that possession but they can't score goals.Its been the same now for two season's.What you all saying same again next season?CMS & Hoskins LOL.They will never get the club into the prem-league.Good of Gus to let the players know their not upto much,which makes you ask why spend so many millions on them in the first place.With Hoskins thats 7 million on strikes alone.A few other clubs in the champonship would like that.Lets be honest the last two games have been the Vicente show,his in a different league to the rest of them.We would have lost the last two games 100% without him.Which makes us a mid table team know better than last season.More to the point how many really see him & Bridge here next season.[/p][/quote]Where do you get £7m from? (Genuine question - I am perplexed.) And I'm not sure how Vicente stopped us losing against Hull. Granted, he helped us win, but I thought TK was in goal?[/p][/quote]Yes sorry freeloader, the 7 million is spent on three strikers? 500k Hoskins, 2.5 million cms and 1.5 million ulloa? I honestly think the budget is wages not buying power, lots of great players out of contract this summer, but it's about the wage that counts .. Think Gus is thinking about the Dutch lad, when we are struggling to up our spend. Point freeloader is making is not valid, for instance the premiership like arsenal have lost players because they won't bust there wage structure.. I hate to think where Qpr will end up, The club is being run on sound business ideals, yes we could spend on this player or that! Big clear out coming in summer, then Gus can tweak his side. Also some silly comments already regarding ulloa, Gus stated he was tired at the weekend, the guy can't speak English, never played in the Gus style, and has not played first team football till his arrival this season. Give him a break, he will score bags of goals.[/p][/quote]I thought Ulloa played well last night. He linked up nicely, held the ball up, dropped back, flicked it on etc. As you say, if this is how he is in a new country just think what he'll be like when he settles in. Old Scrote of the Amex
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2:21pm Wed 13 Feb 13

tug509 says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Poplar Seagull wrote:
I hate it when Gus starts talking about budgets – what is he trying to do here? Try and tell us what a great job he is doing on a shoe-string budget, and justify why we haven’t beaten the mighty rich Blackburn!

We have CMS and Ulloa, and they are 5 million between them. Then we have the likes of Bridge and Upson on loan, not to mention Vicente and kuszczak – who I am sure are all very well paid!

So what is he exactly on about!? We have a great chairman who has put lots of money into the club and given Gus a substantial amount on transfer fees and wages, so we should be doing well and we should have beaten Blackburn – simple as that. I for one do not feel sorry for Gus, if that’s what he wants from us
If you think that are wages mean we should have beaten Blackburn Rovers, it's worth bearing in mind they are in a whole different ball park with players on 2-3 times what ours are. THEY should be beating US with their squad, so give Gus a break. The fact we were all over them like a rash is testament to Gus and his team.
Quite right,not enough credit given for Gus` shopping acumen!. Imagine what he could do for us with 90m,when we go up. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poplar Seagull[/bold] wrote: I hate it when Gus starts talking about budgets – what is he trying to do here? Try and tell us what a great job he is doing on a shoe-string budget, and justify why we haven’t beaten the mighty rich Blackburn! We have CMS and Ulloa, and they are 5 million between them. Then we have the likes of Bridge and Upson on loan, not to mention Vicente and kuszczak – who I am sure are all very well paid! So what is he exactly on about!? We have a great chairman who has put lots of money into the club and given Gus a substantial amount on transfer fees and wages, so we should be doing well and we should have beaten Blackburn – simple as that. I for one do not feel sorry for Gus, if that’s what he wants from us[/p][/quote]If you think that are wages mean we should have beaten Blackburn Rovers, it's worth bearing in mind they are in a whole different ball park with players on 2-3 times what ours are. THEY should be beating US with their squad, so give Gus a break. The fact we were all over them like a rash is testament to Gus and his team.[/p][/quote]Quite right,not enough credit given for Gus` shopping acumen!. Imagine what he could do for us with 90m,when we go up. UTA tug509
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2:33pm Wed 13 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

Think about the budget that Cradiff work with. The names below are the signings since the summer of last year, players now in their first season, and I have not included any that came thru their accadamy.

Filip Kiss
Etien Velikonja
Matthew Connolly
Bo Kyng Kim
Tommy Smith
Craig Noone
Jordon Mutch
Heidar Helguson
Nicky Maynard
Simon Lappin
Fraizer Canpbell
Joe Lewis
Craig Bellamy.

All players signed for the current season. BUDGET!
Think about the budget that Cradiff work with. The names below are the signings since the summer of last year, players now in their first season, and I have not included any that came thru their accadamy. Filip Kiss Etien Velikonja Matthew Connolly Bo Kyng Kim Tommy Smith Craig Noone Jordon Mutch Heidar Helguson Nicky Maynard Simon Lappin Fraizer Canpbell Joe Lewis Craig Bellamy. All players signed for the current season. BUDGET! VegasSeagull
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2:48pm Wed 13 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
Think about the budget that Cradiff work with. The names below are the signings since the summer of last year, players now in their first season, and I have not included any that came thru their accadamy.

Filip Kiss
Etien Velikonja
Matthew Connolly
Bo Kyng Kim
Tommy Smith
Craig Noone
Jordon Mutch
Heidar Helguson
Nicky Maynard
Simon Lappin
Fraizer Canpbell
Joe Lewis
Craig Bellamy.

All players signed for the current season. BUDGET!
You forget the defender they bought from Coventry, Gus wanted him, big tall lad.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: Think about the budget that Cradiff work with. The names below are the signings since the summer of last year, players now in their first season, and I have not included any that came thru their accadamy. Filip Kiss Etien Velikonja Matthew Connolly Bo Kyng Kim Tommy Smith Craig Noone Jordon Mutch Heidar Helguson Nicky Maynard Simon Lappin Fraizer Canpbell Joe Lewis Craig Bellamy. All players signed for the current season. BUDGET![/p][/quote]You forget the defender they bought from Coventry, Gus wanted him, big tall lad. mark by the sea
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2:49pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Tommy11 says...

tug509 wrote:
Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
Poplar Seagull wrote: I hate it when Gus starts talking about budgets – what is he trying to do here? Try and tell us what a great job he is doing on a shoe-string budget, and justify why we haven’t beaten the mighty rich Blackburn! We have CMS and Ulloa, and they are 5 million between them. Then we have the likes of Bridge and Upson on loan, not to mention Vicente and kuszczak – who I am sure are all very well paid! So what is he exactly on about!? We have a great chairman who has put lots of money into the club and given Gus a substantial amount on transfer fees and wages, so we should be doing well and we should have beaten Blackburn – simple as that. I for one do not feel sorry for Gus, if that’s what he wants from us
If you think that are wages mean we should have beaten Blackburn Rovers, it's worth bearing in mind they are in a whole different ball park with players on 2-3 times what ours are. THEY should be beating US with their squad, so give Gus a break. The fact we were all over them like a rash is testament to Gus and his team.
Quite right,not enough credit given for Gus` shopping acumen!. Imagine what he could do for us with 90m,when we go up. UTA
Sorry - lets not get OTT about Gus's bargains....

Harley £250k, Vincelot £150k, CMS 3.25m, Hoskins £500k, Crofts (£god knows how much he cost, £500k to £1m) Ulloa (unproven at £2m, as much as I want him to be a success - really we could have got someone well known at £2m, but I'm backing him)

So in honesty - great bargains??

Not really.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Poplar Seagull[/bold] wrote: I hate it when Gus starts talking about budgets – what is he trying to do here? Try and tell us what a great job he is doing on a shoe-string budget, and justify why we haven’t beaten the mighty rich Blackburn! We have CMS and Ulloa, and they are 5 million between them. Then we have the likes of Bridge and Upson on loan, not to mention Vicente and kuszczak – who I am sure are all very well paid! So what is he exactly on about!? We have a great chairman who has put lots of money into the club and given Gus a substantial amount on transfer fees and wages, so we should be doing well and we should have beaten Blackburn – simple as that. I for one do not feel sorry for Gus, if that’s what he wants from us[/p][/quote]If you think that are wages mean we should have beaten Blackburn Rovers, it's worth bearing in mind they are in a whole different ball park with players on 2-3 times what ours are. THEY should be beating US with their squad, so give Gus a break. The fact we were all over them like a rash is testament to Gus and his team.[/p][/quote]Quite right,not enough credit given for Gus` shopping acumen!. Imagine what he could do for us with 90m,when we go up. UTA[/p][/quote]Sorry - lets not get OTT about Gus's bargains.... Harley £250k, Vincelot £150k, CMS 3.25m, Hoskins £500k, Crofts (£god knows how much he cost, £500k to £1m) Ulloa (unproven at £2m, as much as I want him to be a success - really we could have got someone well known at £2m, but I'm backing him) So in honesty - great bargains?? Not really. Tommy11
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2:49pm Wed 13 Feb 13

ballantrrae says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
I echo all the positive comments and was surprised and so nearly delighted at the attacking intent of the 4-3-3.
As regards Hoskins, luck is one of those things that you just can't buy...
With regards to the budget, i don;t think we're over achieving. With the quality that Gus has got in, i think perhaps he is selling himself and the players a bit short. With a bit more luck (there it is again), we all know we would be up the top instead of the scrap for 6th.
Good, interesting post FWS.
Poyet has assembled a talented squad even if it is with a moderate Budget.
What we don't know is exactly who he hoped to bring in who potentially might have been even more talented but our budget wouldn't allow.
Your point about Lady Luck is also valid.
If we had won 6 of the 13 matches we've drawn we would be in second place. Even if we had lost two we'd have 10 more points and be in either 2nd or 3rd place alongside Hull (we have the same goal difference but have scored 1 more goal - with 6 more wins our goal difference would be better).
Moving on to Fratsomrover's post re Hosko it really is a shame about his injury. I felt his contribution yesterday helped open up the Blackburn defence by creating space Vicente could exploit to set up the chances we had. No doubt once his suspension is over Barnes will be playing in the wide left position.
I have seen a number of comments re Bruno and would just like to point out that he is first equal in the 'assists' stats with Orlandi - they both have 5.
Clearly Bruno is not back to his best but his understanding with Buckley has value which I think will pay off when both players are back to full fitness. Buckley doesn't seem to be back firing on all cylinders since his latest hamstring problem.
One final thought about Bruno. Might it be worth trying him in midfield with Calde ar RB ?
Thoughts anyone eg VegasSeagull, MBTS, Hovite, Captain Haddock, Dr Baldhead, WestStander 17, Alan G Skinner, Tug 509, SMF20 etc ?
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: I echo all the positive comments and was surprised and so nearly delighted at the attacking intent of the 4-3-3. As regards Hoskins, luck is one of those things that you just can't buy... With regards to the budget, i don;t think we're over achieving. With the quality that Gus has got in, i think perhaps he is selling himself and the players a bit short. With a bit more luck (there it is again), we all know we would be up the top instead of the scrap for 6th.[/p][/quote]Good, interesting post FWS. Poyet has assembled a talented squad even if it is with a moderate Budget. What we don't know is exactly who he hoped to bring in who potentially might have been even more talented but our budget wouldn't allow. Your point about Lady Luck is also valid. If we had won 6 of the 13 matches we've drawn we would be in second place. Even if we had lost two we'd have 10 more points and be in either 2nd or 3rd place alongside Hull (we have the same goal difference but have scored 1 more goal - with 6 more wins our goal difference would be better). Moving on to Fratsomrover's post re Hosko it really is a shame about his injury. I felt his contribution yesterday helped open up the Blackburn defence by creating space Vicente could exploit to set up the chances we had. No doubt once his suspension is over Barnes will be playing in the wide left position. I have seen a number of comments re Bruno and would just like to point out that he is first equal in the 'assists' stats with Orlandi - they both have 5. Clearly Bruno is not back to his best but his understanding with Buckley has value which I think will pay off when both players are back to full fitness. Buckley doesn't seem to be back firing on all cylinders since his latest hamstring problem. One final thought about Bruno. Might it be worth trying him in midfield with Calde ar RB ? Thoughts anyone eg VegasSeagull, MBTS, Hovite, Captain Haddock, Dr Baldhead, WestStander 17, Alan G Skinner, Tug 509, SMF20 etc ? ballantrrae
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2:54pm Wed 13 Feb 13

WestStander17 says...

Freeloaders wrote:
But like when i got home Saturday night and watched it back on tv the sky guys had it spot on.Whats the point of playing like that they don't get anywhere?Plus all that possession but they can't score goals.Its been the same now for two season's.What you all saying same again next season?CMS & Hoskins LOL.They will never get the club into the prem-league.Good of Gus to let the players know their not upto much,which makes you ask why spend so many millions on them in the first place.With Hoskins thats 7 million on strikes alone.A few other clubs in the champonship would like that.Lets be honest the last two games have been the Vicente show,his in a different league to the rest of them.We would have lost the last two games 100% without him.Which makes us a mid table team know better than last season.More to the point how many really see him & Bridge here next season.
The Sky pundits asked "What is the point of playing like that if you don't get anywhere?"? That's exactly what they said? Meaning when you don't score at the end of it? And they couldn't come up with an answer?!

If that's what they genuinely asked, isn't it a fairly easy question to answer?

Obviously, you are hoping to score as many times as you can at the end of it but no team does that. The rest of the time you are simply stopping the opposition scoring without having to defend. Simples!

Who were the pundits? If they were asking that and not coming up with any answer, i'm guessing they were British and old school!
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: But like when i got home Saturday night and watched it back on tv the sky guys had it spot on.Whats the point of playing like that they don't get anywhere?Plus all that possession but they can't score goals.Its been the same now for two season's.What you all saying same again next season?CMS & Hoskins LOL.They will never get the club into the prem-league.Good of Gus to let the players know their not upto much,which makes you ask why spend so many millions on them in the first place.With Hoskins thats 7 million on strikes alone.A few other clubs in the champonship would like that.Lets be honest the last two games have been the Vicente show,his in a different league to the rest of them.We would have lost the last two games 100% without him.Which makes us a mid table team know better than last season.More to the point how many really see him & Bridge here next season.[/p][/quote]The Sky pundits asked "What is the point of playing like that if you don't get anywhere?"? That's exactly what they said? Meaning when you don't score at the end of it? And they couldn't come up with an answer?! If that's what they genuinely asked, isn't it a fairly easy question to answer? Obviously, you are hoping to score as many times as you can at the end of it but no team does that. The rest of the time you are simply stopping the opposition scoring without having to defend. Simples! Who were the pundits? If they were asking that and not coming up with any answer, i'm guessing they were British and old school! WestStander17
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2:58pm Wed 13 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

ballantrrae wrote:
fairweathersupporter wrote:
I echo all the positive comments and was surprised and so nearly delighted at the attacking intent of the 4-3-3.
As regards Hoskins, luck is one of those things that you just can't buy...
With regards to the budget, i don;t think we're over achieving. With the quality that Gus has got in, i think perhaps he is selling himself and the players a bit short. With a bit more luck (there it is again), we all know we would be up the top instead of the scrap for 6th.
Good, interesting post FWS.
Poyet has assembled a talented squad even if it is with a moderate Budget.
What we don't know is exactly who he hoped to bring in who potentially might have been even more talented but our budget wouldn't allow.
Your point about Lady Luck is also valid.
If we had won 6 of the 13 matches we've drawn we would be in second place. Even if we had lost two we'd have 10 more points and be in either 2nd or 3rd place alongside Hull (we have the same goal difference but have scored 1 more goal - with 6 more wins our goal difference would be better).
Moving on to Fratsomrover's post re Hosko it really is a shame about his injury. I felt his contribution yesterday helped open up the Blackburn defence by creating space Vicente could exploit to set up the chances we had. No doubt once his suspension is over Barnes will be playing in the wide left position.
I have seen a number of comments re Bruno and would just like to point out that he is first equal in the 'assists' stats with Orlandi - they both have 5.
Clearly Bruno is not back to his best but his understanding with Buckley has value which I think will pay off when both players are back to full fitness. Buckley doesn't seem to be back firing on all cylinders since his latest hamstring problem.
One final thought about Bruno. Might it be worth trying him in midfield with Calde ar RB ?
Thoughts anyone eg VegasSeagull, MBTS, Hovite, Captain Haddock, Dr Baldhead, WestStander 17, Alan G Skinner, Tug 509, SMF20 etc ?
I thought same, caldi to mark noone next week, and give him benefit of someone with defensive ideals in front,
I would imagine noone is well up for this one
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: I echo all the positive comments and was surprised and so nearly delighted at the attacking intent of the 4-3-3. As regards Hoskins, luck is one of those things that you just can't buy... With regards to the budget, i don;t think we're over achieving. With the quality that Gus has got in, i think perhaps he is selling himself and the players a bit short. With a bit more luck (there it is again), we all know we would be up the top instead of the scrap for 6th.[/p][/quote]Good, interesting post FWS. Poyet has assembled a talented squad even if it is with a moderate Budget. What we don't know is exactly who he hoped to bring in who potentially might have been even more talented but our budget wouldn't allow. Your point about Lady Luck is also valid. If we had won 6 of the 13 matches we've drawn we would be in second place. Even if we had lost two we'd have 10 more points and be in either 2nd or 3rd place alongside Hull (we have the same goal difference but have scored 1 more goal - with 6 more wins our goal difference would be better). Moving on to Fratsomrover's post re Hosko it really is a shame about his injury. I felt his contribution yesterday helped open up the Blackburn defence by creating space Vicente could exploit to set up the chances we had. No doubt once his suspension is over Barnes will be playing in the wide left position. I have seen a number of comments re Bruno and would just like to point out that he is first equal in the 'assists' stats with Orlandi - they both have 5. Clearly Bruno is not back to his best but his understanding with Buckley has value which I think will pay off when both players are back to full fitness. Buckley doesn't seem to be back firing on all cylinders since his latest hamstring problem. One final thought about Bruno. Might it be worth trying him in midfield with Calde ar RB ? Thoughts anyone eg VegasSeagull, MBTS, Hovite, Captain Haddock, Dr Baldhead, WestStander 17, Alan G Skinner, Tug 509, SMF20 etc ?[/p][/quote]I thought same, caldi to mark noone next week, and give him benefit of someone with defensive ideals in front, I would imagine noone is well up for this one mark by the sea
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3:03pm Wed 13 Feb 13

WestStander17 says...

Ballantrrae - I think Bruno could play in midfield. On the right or even centrally but I don't think you'd generally pick him ahead of the midfielders we have unless we needed to play particularly defensively at some point i.e. holding on in the play-off final!!!
Ballantrrae - I think Bruno could play in midfield. On the right or even centrally but I don't think you'd generally pick him ahead of the midfielders we have unless we needed to play particularly defensively at some point i.e. holding on in the play-off final!!! WestStander17
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3:14pm Wed 13 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

Ballantrrae - I think Bruno in midfield is possible but if it were to happen I would have David at right back.

As Westander says, this would work if we had a need to be more defensive but right now that is not the aim.
Buckley signed a new cntract, got injured has hasn't looked the same player since, bummer.



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Ballantrrae - I think Bruno in midfield is possible but if it were to happen I would have David at right back. As Westander says, this would work if we had a need to be more defensive but right now that is not the aim. Buckley signed a new cntract, got injured has hasn't looked the same player since, bummer. . VegasSeagull
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3:21pm Wed 13 Feb 13

tug509 says...

Ballantrrae,tough call without knowing,can Bruno only play on the right?.
Ballantrrae,tough call without knowing,can Bruno only play on the right?. tug509
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3:59pm Wed 13 Feb 13

mikeygit says...

mikeygit says...
3:42pm Wed 13 Feb 13
Whilst a lot of comments above make sense--many are saying how unlucky we have been---you make your own luck and cannot continue making this the excuse. I support BHA 100% but am also a realist. Last nights game may have included periods of play when we played our best ever---however, if that was the best, we STILL could not score in open play. Many other teams are scoring 3 and 4 goals, we rarely do. I want Albion to go up but only when we are fit to do so, not just for the sake of it. We have players this season we will not have next--Upson, Bridge, maybe Vicente--others are getting to the 'twilight' of their careers. When we go up we have to have a team that stands a good chance of staying up. We have 13 draws this season and as Ken from Beamish says, although we have quality players --fit maybe for the Premiership---our goalscoring striker dept is sadly lacking. CMS puts in a full shift but just cannot score and no matter how well they play if they cannot score goals freely and consistantly then we will not win matches or gain promotion. If we struggle to get into the playoffs, we will certainly struggle in the Premiership.
mikeygit says... 3:42pm Wed 13 Feb 13 Whilst a lot of comments above make sense--many are saying how unlucky we have been---you make your own luck and cannot continue making this the excuse. I support BHA 100% but am also a realist. Last nights game may have included periods of play when we played our best ever---however, if that was the best, we STILL could not score in open play. Many other teams are scoring 3 and 4 goals, we rarely do. I want Albion to go up but only when we are fit to do so, not just for the sake of it. We have players this season we will not have next--Upson, Bridge, maybe Vicente--others are getting to the 'twilight' of their careers. When we go up we have to have a team that stands a good chance of staying up. We have 13 draws this season and as Ken from Beamish says, although we have quality players --fit maybe for the Premiership---our goalscoring striker dept is sadly lacking. CMS puts in a full shift but just cannot score and no matter how well they play if they cannot score goals freely and consistantly then we will not win matches or gain promotion. If we struggle to get into the playoffs, we will certainly struggle in the Premiership. mikeygit
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4:04pm Wed 13 Feb 13

bruce beckett says...

Goals win games...and the bottom line is we don't score enough of them. It's all very well playing a pretty passing game and dominating possession but the Sky pundits are right: you need an end product.



I love Gus. He has rejuvenated our football club. But I think Tony Bloom has been more than generous in the funds he has provided to spend on the squad. Okay, so we haven't spent 8 million on a striker, but the wage bill has risen considerably in the last two years and Gus has been allowed to spend before each and every transfer window.

To be absolutely honest, I don't think Gus has been that successful in the transfer market. Was CMS worth 3.5 mill, not to mention the likes of Crofts, Dobbie, Harley, Hoskins, Sparrow, Vincelot?

Remember, our best player was signed on a free transfer!
Goals win games...and the bottom line is we don't score enough of them. It's all very well playing a pretty passing game and dominating possession but the Sky pundits are right: you need an end product. I love Gus. He has rejuvenated our football club. But I think Tony Bloom has been more than generous in the funds he has provided to spend on the squad. Okay, so we haven't spent 8 million on a striker, but the wage bill has risen considerably in the last two years and Gus has been allowed to spend before each and every transfer window. To be absolutely honest, I don't think Gus has been that successful in the transfer market. Was CMS worth 3.5 mill, not to mention the likes of Crofts, Dobbie, Harley, Hoskins, Sparrow, Vincelot? Remember, our best player was signed on a free transfer! bruce beckett
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4:09pm Wed 13 Feb 13

mikeygit says...

I have copied my post above from The Hammond article--so I may get some reaction posts.
Poplar Seagull--agree with some of your points BUT is it true Bloom has given Gus money for wages--is this permitted uner FA rules or is that rule yet to come in on Fair Play rules??
I have copied my post above from The Hammond article--so I may get some reaction posts. Poplar Seagull--agree with some of your points BUT is it true Bloom has given Gus money for wages--is this permitted uner FA rules or is that rule yet to come in on Fair Play rules?? mikeygit
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4:13pm Wed 13 Feb 13

dave from bexill says...

Ballantrrae, who would you leave out to accommodate Bruno in midfield?
Ballantrrae, who would you leave out to accommodate Bruno in midfield? dave from bexill
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4:15pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Bruce Beckett - you're being very selective with your choice of Gus's transfers, insofar as you've ignored all the more successful ones: Kuszczak, Bruno, Bridge, Calde, Buckley, Barnes, Spanish Dave, Vicente, Orlandi, and to a lesser expent, LuaLua. I would weigh these up against your list and be well pleased.
Bruce Beckett - you're being very selective with your choice of Gus's transfers, insofar as you've ignored all the more successful ones: Kuszczak, Bruno, Bridge, Calde, Buckley, Barnes, Spanish Dave, Vicente, Orlandi, and to a lesser expent, LuaLua. I would weigh these up against your list and be well pleased. Old Scrote of the Amex
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4:27pm Wed 13 Feb 13

bruce beckett says...

Old Scrote.

Yes, I am being selective, but only to a certain extent.

Bridge is a loan player, albeit a very successful one. Vicente has played only a handful of games in his two years with the club and I would also argue that LuaLua is not worth the money we spent on him seeing as he can hardly get a game.

I could also add that we gave away our best player for nothing.

If you stick your rod in the ocean often enough, you're going to catch a fish sooner or later.

The point I'm trying to make is that although Gus and the club have made some excellent signings, there have been quite a few blunders too.

I think it's a bit early to be blowing your own trumpet about what a fantastic job you have done on the budget you were given. We might easily have the 9th or 10th highest wage bill in the Championship. We might easily finish below that, although I certainly hope not.
Old Scrote. Yes, I am being selective, but only to a certain extent. Bridge is a loan player, albeit a very successful one. Vicente has played only a handful of games in his two years with the club and I would also argue that LuaLua is not worth the money we spent on him seeing as he can hardly get a game. I could also add that we gave away our best player for nothing. If you stick your rod in the ocean often enough, you're going to catch a fish sooner or later. The point I'm trying to make is that although Gus and the club have made some excellent signings, there have been quite a few blunders too. I think it's a bit early to be blowing your own trumpet about what a fantastic job you have done on the budget you were given. We might easily have the 9th or 10th highest wage bill in the Championship. We might easily finish below that, although I certainly hope not. bruce beckett
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4:42pm Wed 13 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

I find it hard to understand why some might think that if we don't get promotion this year we have had a bad year. Even those that say reaching that not the playoffs would also be a bad year.

If we end up with a top 8 position this year that would be better than last year.
If we have the basis of a better squad for next season, after the summer clear out, than we had after the clear out last year, that too is an improvement.
Our stadium has more seats than last year, that's an improvement.
We will have our new training facility, another improvement.
We have already signed some new young talent for the DS, further improvement.
New sponsors are coming in, again improvement.

The only possible down side to this year would be if we don't make the playoffs and or don't get promoted. Should we really expect either having reached the Championship division less than two seasons ago?

Rome wasn't built in a day but once it was, it lasted quite a long time.






,
I find it hard to understand why some might think that if we don't get promotion this year we have had a bad year. Even those that say reaching that not the playoffs would also be a bad year. If we end up with a top 8 position this year that would be better than last year. If we have the basis of a better squad for next season, after the summer clear out, than we had after the clear out last year, that too is an improvement. Our stadium has more seats than last year, that's an improvement. We will have our new training facility, another improvement. We have already signed some new young talent for the DS, further improvement. New sponsors are coming in, again improvement. The only possible down side to this year would be if we don't make the playoffs and or don't get promoted. Should we really expect either having reached the Championship division less than two seasons ago? Rome wasn't built in a day but once it was, it lasted quite a long time. , VegasSeagull
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4:44pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Was it ever announced how much we paid for LuaLua? The guy is still only 22 and will only get better IMO. But you name me a single manager who hasn't made some transfer blunders - even SAF has made some howlers in his time. And given the amount of recently ex-Premier League sides in the Championship I would be astounded if we were as high as 10th in the wages league.
Was it ever announced how much we paid for LuaLua? The guy is still only 22 and will only get better IMO. But you name me a single manager who hasn't made some transfer blunders - even SAF has made some howlers in his time. And given the amount of recently ex-Premier League sides in the Championship I would be astounded if we were as high as 10th in the wages league. Old Scrote of the Amex
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5:18pm Wed 13 Feb 13

WestStander17 says...

bruce beckett wrote:
Old Scrote. Yes, I am being selective, but only to a certain extent. Bridge is a loan player, albeit a very successful one. Vicente has played only a handful of games in his two years with the club and I would also argue that LuaLua is not worth the money we spent on him seeing as he can hardly get a game. I could also add that we gave away our best player for nothing. If you stick your rod in the ocean often enough, you're going to catch a fish sooner or later. The point I'm trying to make is that although Gus and the club have made some excellent signings, there have been quite a few blunders too. I think it's a bit early to be blowing your own trumpet about what a fantastic job you have done on the budget you were given. We might easily have the 9th or 10th highest wage bill in the Championship. We might easily finish below that, although I certainly hope not.
"I could also add that we gave away our best player for nothing".

Who? Navarro? Sparrow? Vincelot? Please don't say you mean Murray?!?

:-/
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: Old Scrote. Yes, I am being selective, but only to a certain extent. Bridge is a loan player, albeit a very successful one. Vicente has played only a handful of games in his two years with the club and I would also argue that LuaLua is not worth the money we spent on him seeing as he can hardly get a game. I could also add that we gave away our best player for nothing. If you stick your rod in the ocean often enough, you're going to catch a fish sooner or later. The point I'm trying to make is that although Gus and the club have made some excellent signings, there have been quite a few blunders too. I think it's a bit early to be blowing your own trumpet about what a fantastic job you have done on the budget you were given. We might easily have the 9th or 10th highest wage bill in the Championship. We might easily finish below that, although I certainly hope not.[/p][/quote]"I could also add that we gave away our best player for nothing". Who? Navarro? Sparrow? Vincelot? Please don't say you mean Murray?!? :-/ WestStander17
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5:40pm Wed 13 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

Jesus guys, some comments on here are constantly negative ... We can still make play offs with ease, we need a goal scorer ... How about Owen from stoke on a three month loan? Yes he is a injury nightmare, but like Vicente, a half fit Owen would be top scorer if he played the remaining games .. Maybe stoke would pay his wages? With a wages back if he scored say 7 goals? Side need a experienced goal scorer.
Jesus guys, some comments on here are constantly negative ... We can still make play offs with ease, we need a goal scorer ... How about Owen from stoke on a three month loan? Yes he is a injury nightmare, but like Vicente, a half fit Owen would be top scorer if he played the remaining games .. Maybe stoke would pay his wages? With a wages back if he scored say 7 goals? Side need a experienced goal scorer. mark by the sea
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5:48pm Wed 13 Feb 13

bruce beckett says...

MBTS. Are you being serious? How many more strikers do we need to sign? There's more chance of Teddy Maybank joining us than Michael Owen.

If Gus had played his cards rights, we could have had Murray playing alongside Wood for less than two mill. Instead, we have CMS and Ulloa for 5.5 mill.

They've only played one full game together so let's at least give them until the end of the season to see if they can form a partnership.
MBTS. Are you being serious? How many more strikers do we need to sign? There's more chance of Teddy Maybank joining us than Michael Owen. If Gus had played his cards rights, we could have had Murray playing alongside Wood for less than two mill. Instead, we have CMS and Ulloa for 5.5 mill. They've only played one full game together so let's at least give them until the end of the season to see if they can form a partnership. bruce beckett
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5:56pm Wed 13 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

bruce beckett wrote:
MBTS. Are you being serious? How many more strikers do we need to sign? There's more chance of Teddy Maybank joining us than Michael Owen.

If Gus had played his cards rights, we could have had Murray playing alongside Wood for less than two mill. Instead, we have CMS and Ulloa for 5.5 mill.

They've only played one full game together so let's at least give them until the end of the season to see if they can form a partnership.
Yes we now have only two forwards who are fit. Palace signed Dobbie and Phillips .. Experience is everything in the play offs...
I would go for a experienced goal scorer, Owen if fit, would change everything.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: MBTS. Are you being serious? How many more strikers do we need to sign? There's more chance of Teddy Maybank joining us than Michael Owen. If Gus had played his cards rights, we could have had Murray playing alongside Wood for less than two mill. Instead, we have CMS and Ulloa for 5.5 mill. They've only played one full game together so let's at least give them until the end of the season to see if they can form a partnership.[/p][/quote]Yes we now have only two forwards who are fit. Palace signed Dobbie and Phillips .. Experience is everything in the play offs... I would go for a experienced goal scorer, Owen if fit, would change everything. mark by the sea
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6:02pm Wed 13 Feb 13

fairweathersupporter says...

bruce beckett wrote:
MBTS. Are you being serious? How many more strikers do we need to sign? There's more chance of Teddy Maybank joining us than Michael Owen.

If Gus had played his cards rights, we could have had Murray playing alongside Wood for less than two mill. Instead, we have CMS and Ulloa for 5.5 mill.

They've only played one full game together so let's at least give them until the end of the season to see if they can form a partnership.
Bruce... PLEASE. Murray NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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OOOOOOOOOO. There you go. Response you wanted Get a life.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: MBTS. Are you being serious? How many more strikers do we need to sign? There's more chance of Teddy Maybank joining us than Michael Owen. If Gus had played his cards rights, we could have had Murray playing alongside Wood for less than two mill. Instead, we have CMS and Ulloa for 5.5 mill. They've only played one full game together so let's at least give them until the end of the season to see if they can form a partnership.[/p][/quote]Bruce... PLEASE. Murray NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO. There you go. Response you wanted Get a life. fairweathersupporter
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6:14pm Wed 13 Feb 13

saraman says...

I'm totally bemused. How can we have so much attacking flair and possession and not score a goal or two in open play? Please don't think I'm criticising Gus but this was the first time in one and a half years of championship football that we have had an out and out attacking formation. So, were the players and forwards in particular so unused to it that they themselves could not adapt. I do hope that I have not made myself too obscure. I feel that the same set up against Cardiff will yield 3 points.
I'm totally bemused. How can we have so much attacking flair and possession and not score a goal or two in open play? Please don't think I'm criticising Gus but this was the first time in one and a half years of championship football that we have had an out and out attacking formation. So, were the players and forwards in particular so unused to it that they themselves could not adapt. I do hope that I have not made myself too obscure. I feel that the same set up against Cardiff will yield 3 points. saraman
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6:22pm Wed 13 Feb 13

ballantrrae says...

dave from bexill wrote:
Ballantrrae, who would you leave out to accommodate Bruno in midfield?
Dave from Bexhill Hi !
In answer to your question Bruno might be an alternative to Hammond.
Consider this scenario. Bridcutt is only one yellow card away from a 2 match ban. When that happens Poyet will probably drop Hammond back to the 'holding' midfielder role. With Crofts injured I wondered if Bruno might be an option. He offers some physical presence, makes some good surging forward runs and sometimes produces an excellent pass witness that chip earlier this season which led to Buckley scoring.
Another possibility would be for Bruno to play wide on the right if Buckley doesn't return to form with Calde as MBTS suggests playing behind him although I have to say I quite like David on that flank. (this is also in reply to Tug509 's query).
What I was trying to explore was whether there might be a potential team selection which could accomodate both Bruno and Calde rather than just one or the other.
Apologies for the longwinded reply.
[quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: Ballantrrae, who would you leave out to accommodate Bruno in midfield?[/p][/quote]Dave from Bexhill Hi ! In answer to your question Bruno might be an alternative to Hammond. Consider this scenario. Bridcutt is only one yellow card away from a 2 match ban. When that happens Poyet will probably drop Hammond back to the 'holding' midfielder role. With Crofts injured I wondered if Bruno might be an option. He offers some physical presence, makes some good surging forward runs and sometimes produces an excellent pass witness that chip earlier this season which led to Buckley scoring. Another possibility would be for Bruno to play wide on the right if Buckley doesn't return to form with Calde as MBTS suggests playing behind him although I have to say I quite like David on that flank. (this is also in reply to Tug509 's query). What I was trying to explore was whether there might be a potential team selection which could accomodate both Bruno and Calde rather than just one or the other. Apologies for the longwinded reply. ballantrrae
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6:31pm Wed 13 Feb 13

mikeygit says...

Vegas--how right how are and how many times have I said on here that Rome was not built in a day. Rather have SOLID foundations and go upt o the Premiership when the time is right--ie when we have the right players to be able to keep us there. Keep reminding posters where we were a very few short years ago and how far we have come, with The Team The Amex and the Development and Training Ground.
Vegas--how right how are and how many times have I said on here that Rome was not built in a day. Rather have SOLID foundations and go upt o the Premiership when the time is right--ie when we have the right players to be able to keep us there. Keep reminding posters where we were a very few short years ago and how far we have come, with The Team The Amex and the Development and Training Ground. mikeygit
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6:35pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

bruce beckett wrote:
MBTS. Are you being serious? How many more strikers do we need to sign? There's more chance of Teddy Maybank joining us than Michael Owen.

If Gus had played his cards rights, we could have had Murray playing alongside Wood for less than two mill. Instead, we have CMS and Ulloa for 5.5 mill.

They've only played one full game together so let's at least give them until the end of the season to see if they can form a partnership.
Having seen both of them play, I would personally rather have Ulloa than Wood. Ulloa is the more gifted and when he settles in will score plenty. And when are we EVER going to give it a rest about flipping Glenn Murray! Time to move on, chaps... and I think you've over-estimated how much we have actually spent on CMS so far. Those top-ups won't have come to pass yet.
[quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: MBTS. Are you being serious? How many more strikers do we need to sign? There's more chance of Teddy Maybank joining us than Michael Owen. If Gus had played his cards rights, we could have had Murray playing alongside Wood for less than two mill. Instead, we have CMS and Ulloa for 5.5 mill. They've only played one full game together so let's at least give them until the end of the season to see if they can form a partnership.[/p][/quote]Having seen both of them play, I would personally rather have Ulloa than Wood. Ulloa is the more gifted and when he settles in will score plenty. And when are we EVER going to give it a rest about flipping Glenn Murray! Time to move on, chaps... and I think you've over-estimated how much we have actually spent on CMS so far. Those top-ups won't have come to pass yet. Old Scrote of the Amex
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6:40pm Wed 13 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

Old Scrote of the Amex wrote:
bruce beckett wrote:
MBTS. Are you being serious? How many more strikers do we need to sign? There's more chance of Teddy Maybank joining us than Michael Owen.

If Gus had played his cards rights, we could have had Murray playing alongside Wood for less than two mill. Instead, we have CMS and Ulloa for 5.5 mill.

They've only played one full game together so let's at least give them until the end of the season to see if they can form a partnership.
Having seen both of them play, I would personally rather have Ulloa than Wood. Ulloa is the more gifted and when he settles in will score plenty. And when are we EVER going to give it a rest about flipping Glenn Murray! Time to move on, chaps... and I think you've over-estimated how much we have actually spent on CMS so far. Those top-ups won't have come to pass yet.
Point about Murray is palace fans thought he was useless last season, having great season now, as for ulloa, he may not score many this year, but give him a cHance to grasp the language and settle, I have seen enough to suggest 20 next year, what we don't have now or last season is experience up front at this level.
[quote][p][bold]Old Scrote of the Amex[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bruce beckett[/bold] wrote: MBTS. Are you being serious? How many more strikers do we need to sign? There's more chance of Teddy Maybank joining us than Michael Owen. If Gus had played his cards rights, we could have had Murray playing alongside Wood for less than two mill. Instead, we have CMS and Ulloa for 5.5 mill. They've only played one full game together so let's at least give them until the end of the season to see if they can form a partnership.[/p][/quote]Having seen both of them play, I would personally rather have Ulloa than Wood. Ulloa is the more gifted and when he settles in will score plenty. And when are we EVER going to give it a rest about flipping Glenn Murray! Time to move on, chaps... and I think you've over-estimated how much we have actually spent on CMS so far. Those top-ups won't have come to pass yet.[/p][/quote]Point about Murray is palace fans thought he was useless last season, having great season now, as for ulloa, he may not score many this year, but give him a cHance to grasp the language and settle, I have seen enough to suggest 20 next year, what we don't have now or last season is experience up front at this level. mark by the sea
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6:44pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Chi Gull says...

I know this is a forum for all views, but I do get astounded at some of the negative views, other than those from the serial offenders - who I just ignore.

MBTS is right when he says this is more about salaries than transfer fees. We have played Bolton and Blackburn and others off the park (result aside!). They have a far hgher wage structure than us, and that is what Gus is competing against. How many of their high paid players would fans like to have in our side? Not many I suspect. What Gus has achieved on more limited resources is remarkable. We are entertained, we have some quality players and a way of playing that most fans love.

Quality in the box comes at a very high price unless the talent is home grown or we spot prem potential in a lower league player (always risky). Two years ago we had the Withdean and a League 1 set up. It will take time for the academy to produce and for the club to fully understand what's needed to get to the Prem.

For now I just love being at the Amex with 25,000 fantastic and supportive home fans, watching great football.
I know this is a forum for all views, but I do get astounded at some of the negative views, other than those from the serial offenders - who I just ignore. MBTS is right when he says this is more about salaries than transfer fees. We have played Bolton and Blackburn and others off the park (result aside!). They have a far hgher wage structure than us, and that is what Gus is competing against. How many of their high paid players would fans like to have in our side? Not many I suspect. What Gus has achieved on more limited resources is remarkable. We are entertained, we have some quality players and a way of playing that most fans love. Quality in the box comes at a very high price unless the talent is home grown or we spot prem potential in a lower league player (always risky). Two years ago we had the Withdean and a League 1 set up. It will take time for the academy to produce and for the club to fully understand what's needed to get to the Prem. For now I just love being at the Amex with 25,000 fantastic and supportive home fans, watching great football. Chi Gull
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6:44pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Chi Gull says...

I know this is a forum for all views, but I do get astounded at some of the negative views, other than those from the serial offenders - who I just ignore.

MBTS is right when he says this is more about salaries than transfer fees. We have played Bolton and Blackburn and others off the park (result aside!). They have a far hgher wage structure than us, and that is what Gus is competing against. How many of their high paid players would fans like to have in our side? Not many I suspect. What Gus has achieved on more limited resources is remarkable. We are entertained, we have some quality players and a way of playing that most fans love.

Quality in the box comes at a very high price unless the talent is home grown or we spot prem potential in a lower league player (always risky). Two years ago we had the Withdean and a League 1 set up. It will take time for the academy to produce and for the club to fully understand what's needed to get to the Prem.

For now I just love being at the Amex with 25,000 fantastic and supportive home fans, watching great football.
I know this is a forum for all views, but I do get astounded at some of the negative views, other than those from the serial offenders - who I just ignore. MBTS is right when he says this is more about salaries than transfer fees. We have played Bolton and Blackburn and others off the park (result aside!). They have a far hgher wage structure than us, and that is what Gus is competing against. How many of their high paid players would fans like to have in our side? Not many I suspect. What Gus has achieved on more limited resources is remarkable. We are entertained, we have some quality players and a way of playing that most fans love. Quality in the box comes at a very high price unless the talent is home grown or we spot prem potential in a lower league player (always risky). Two years ago we had the Withdean and a League 1 set up. It will take time for the academy to produce and for the club to fully understand what's needed to get to the Prem. For now I just love being at the Amex with 25,000 fantastic and supportive home fans, watching great football. Chi Gull
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6:45pm Wed 13 Feb 13

bruce beckett says...

Hope you're both right about Ulloa. I've always thought 2013-14 will be our optimum year to reach the promised land and I still believe that. The progress has been amazing – and I'm really enjoying the ride – but human nature is such that we always want a little bit more (like the three points our performance deserved last night).
Hope you're both right about Ulloa. I've always thought 2013-14 will be our optimum year to reach the promised land and I still believe that. The progress has been amazing – and I'm really enjoying the ride – but human nature is such that we always want a little bit more (like the three points our performance deserved last night). bruce beckett
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6:46pm Wed 13 Feb 13

PressBoxTeaBoy says...

Only half the story Gus ?

Budget is important and very helpful, yes. But so is picking right players even if you have the budget.

In our case, we chose CMS at 2 Mill, (11 goals this season), very much a hot and cold display.

We chose Ulloa at 2 Mill, (1 goal but still early days, probably needs 4 months to settle to the English game)

Leicester chose Chris Wood at 2 Mill, (16 goals this season) 6 of those for Leicester already I think, and he hit the ground running, literally?

Watford chose Vydra (On Loan), 19 goals this season. A real budget friendly signing there and a star of the Championship.

And dare I say it - Crystal Palace chose Murray for free, (24 goals this season), and a real workhorse.

None of the above were budget busters, and only time will tell if Leicester, Palace, Watford and the rest of them made better decisions than Gus ? I'm sure there's more but I dont have time to look.

I'm just saying !

I still believe its not a striker problem, as much as it is a midfield problem, especially now with CMS, Barnes, Ulloa to chose from.

Looks better now that Vicente is back but for me, Lopez and Orlandi are too lightweight and drift in and out of games too often, Hammond is a defensive midfielder and a yard off the pace "sometimes".

What we need is the Brighton version of Giggs & Scholes to play in front of the back 4/5, thats what drives the forward line into productivity and I really dont see that type of player in our squad.
Only half the story Gus ? Budget is important and very helpful, yes. But so is picking right players even if you have the budget. In our case, we chose CMS at 2 Mill, (11 goals this season), very much a hot and cold display. We chose Ulloa at 2 Mill, (1 goal but still early days, probably needs 4 months to settle to the English game) Leicester chose Chris Wood at 2 Mill, (16 goals this season) 6 of those for Leicester already I think, and he hit the ground running, literally? Watford chose Vydra (On Loan), 19 goals this season. A real budget friendly signing there and a star of the Championship. And dare I say it - Crystal Palace chose Murray for free, (24 goals this season), and a real workhorse. None of the above were budget busters, and only time will tell if Leicester, Palace, Watford and the rest of them made better decisions than Gus ? I'm sure there's more but I dont have time to look. I'm just saying ! I still believe its not a striker problem, as much as it is a midfield problem, especially now with CMS, Barnes, Ulloa to chose from. Looks better now that Vicente is back but for me, Lopez and Orlandi are too lightweight and drift in and out of games too often, Hammond is a defensive midfielder and a yard off the pace "sometimes". What we need is the Brighton version of Giggs & Scholes to play in front of the back 4/5, thats what drives the forward line into productivity and I really dont see that type of player in our squad. PressBoxTeaBoy
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7:05pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

To be fair, PBTB, Watford didn't CHOOSE Vydra, he was forced on them by the owners. It has worked out very nicely for them, but he is only on loan and will disappear soon enough.
To be fair, PBTB, Watford didn't CHOOSE Vydra, he was forced on them by the owners. It has worked out very nicely for them, but he is only on loan and will disappear soon enough. Old Scrote of the Amex
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7:21pm Wed 13 Feb 13

tug509 says...

If i could put this post in another name i would. But a few years ago those luvable Brummies at St Andrews,called someome in to,how do you say,exorcise something that they believed was destroying their season,actually more than just one season.

We`ve always had the,bury a shirt under the centre circle hoodoo. Just a thought considering how we are murdering teams with little or no reward. Daft i know !!??. UTA
If i could put this post in another name i would. But a few years ago those luvable Brummies at St Andrews,called someome in to,how do you say,exorcise something that they believed was destroying their season,actually more than just one season. We`ve always had the,bury a shirt under the centre circle hoodoo. Just a thought considering how we are murdering teams with little or no reward. Daft i know !!??. UTA tug509
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7:53pm Wed 13 Feb 13

fairweathersupporter says...

tug509 wrote:
If i could put this post in another name i would. But a few years ago those luvable Brummies at St Andrews,called someome in to,how do you say,exorcise something that they believed was destroying their season,actually more than just one season.

We`ve always had the,bury a shirt under the centre circle hoodoo. Just a thought considering how we are murdering teams with little or no reward. Daft i know !!??. UTA
Tug, i think any hoodoo is attached to Hoskins. He has either upset a higher deity or crashed through a mirror shop. i noticed he crossed himself and touched the pitch when he came on yesterday. Didn't do him much good...
Seriously though, as i said earlier, LUCK is a strange mistress.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: If i could put this post in another name i would. But a few years ago those luvable Brummies at St Andrews,called someome in to,how do you say,exorcise something that they believed was destroying their season,actually more than just one season. We`ve always had the,bury a shirt under the centre circle hoodoo. Just a thought considering how we are murdering teams with little or no reward. Daft i know !!??. UTA[/p][/quote]Tug, i think any hoodoo is attached to Hoskins. He has either upset a higher deity or crashed through a mirror shop. i noticed he crossed himself and touched the pitch when he came on yesterday. Didn't do him much good... Seriously though, as i said earlier, LUCK is a strange mistress. fairweathersupporter
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8:04pm Wed 13 Feb 13

tonytowner1 says...

Play a side like that every match then Gus!!
Play a side like that every match then Gus!! tonytowner1
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9:00pm Wed 13 Feb 13

tug509 says...

I have a dream,and that dream is that,Albion shirts will be common place on the streets of Manchester. UTA
I have a dream,and that dream is that,Albion shirts will be common place on the streets of Manchester. UTA tug509
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9:01pm Wed 13 Feb 13

fratsomrover says...

I often agree with you Ballantrrae, but not on Bruno playing midfield. His passing is too erratic for me and I dont think he has the engine to work box to box. There was an occasion last night when he'd supported Buckley on a run, hit in a poor cross and they broke all the way into our box. He was the last of our players to cross the half-way line chasing back. We have enough midfielders in Vincente, Hammond, Dicker, Croft, Lopez, Orlandi, Barnes. Bridcutt is a shoe in and if we lose him to suspension or injury then Hammond would drop into his role and probably Dicker into Hammonds role. I dont see that Bruno offers anything more than the midfielders we already have.
I often agree with you Ballantrrae, but not on Bruno playing midfield. His passing is too erratic for me and I dont think he has the engine to work box to box. There was an occasion last night when he'd supported Buckley on a run, hit in a poor cross and they broke all the way into our box. He was the last of our players to cross the half-way line chasing back. We have enough midfielders in Vincente, Hammond, Dicker, Croft, Lopez, Orlandi, Barnes. Bridcutt is a shoe in and if we lose him to suspension or injury then Hammond would drop into his role and probably Dicker into Hammonds role. I dont see that Bruno offers anything more than the midfielders we already have. fratsomrover
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10:02pm Wed 13 Feb 13

WestStander17 says...

PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Only half the story Gus ? Budget is important and very helpful, yes. But so is picking right players even if you have the budget. In our case, we chose CMS at 2 Mill, (11 goals this season), very much a hot and cold display. We chose Ulloa at 2 Mill, (1 goal but still early days, probably needs 4 months to settle to the English game) Leicester chose Chris Wood at 2 Mill, (16 goals this season) 6 of those for Leicester already I think, and he hit the ground running, literally? Watford chose Vydra (On Loan), 19 goals this season. A real budget friendly signing there and a star of the Championship. And dare I say it - Crystal Palace chose Murray for free, (24 goals this season), and a real workhorse. None of the above were budget busters, and only time will tell if Leicester, Palace, Watford and the rest of them made better decisions than Gus ? I'm sure there's more but I dont have time to look. I'm just saying ! I still believe its not a striker problem, as much as it is a midfield problem, especially now with CMS, Barnes, Ulloa to chose from. Looks better now that Vicente is back but for me, Lopez and Orlandi are too lightweight and drift in and out of games too often, Hammond is a defensive midfielder and a yard off the pace "sometimes". What we need is the Brighton version of Giggs & Scholes to play in front of the back 4/5, thats what drives the forward line into productivity and I really dont see that type of player in our squad.
Didn't think I'd ever see "Glen Murray" and "workhorse" in the same sentence! He always looked tired so maybe you assumed he'd done a lot of work!

Anyway, if "workhorse" is meant as a compliment, isn't CMS the biggest workhorse of them all?!

Unless you go out and pay millions and millions for a proven goalscorer, there is always a bit of luck involved in whether a striker scores goals in different teams. I'm far happier with CMS and Ulloa than Murray and Wood.
[quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Only half the story Gus ? Budget is important and very helpful, yes. But so is picking right players even if you have the budget. In our case, we chose CMS at 2 Mill, (11 goals this season), very much a hot and cold display. We chose Ulloa at 2 Mill, (1 goal but still early days, probably needs 4 months to settle to the English game) Leicester chose Chris Wood at 2 Mill, (16 goals this season) 6 of those for Leicester already I think, and he hit the ground running, literally? Watford chose Vydra (On Loan), 19 goals this season. A real budget friendly signing there and a star of the Championship. And dare I say it - Crystal Palace chose Murray for free, (24 goals this season), and a real workhorse. None of the above were budget busters, and only time will tell if Leicester, Palace, Watford and the rest of them made better decisions than Gus ? I'm sure there's more but I dont have time to look. I'm just saying ! I still believe its not a striker problem, as much as it is a midfield problem, especially now with CMS, Barnes, Ulloa to chose from. Looks better now that Vicente is back but for me, Lopez and Orlandi are too lightweight and drift in and out of games too often, Hammond is a defensive midfielder and a yard off the pace "sometimes". What we need is the Brighton version of Giggs & Scholes to play in front of the back 4/5, thats what drives the forward line into productivity and I really dont see that type of player in our squad.[/p][/quote]Didn't think I'd ever see "Glen Murray" and "workhorse" in the same sentence! He always looked tired so maybe you assumed he'd done a lot of work! Anyway, if "workhorse" is meant as a compliment, isn't CMS the biggest workhorse of them all?! Unless you go out and pay millions and millions for a proven goalscorer, there is always a bit of luck involved in whether a striker scores goals in different teams. I'm far happier with CMS and Ulloa than Murray and Wood. WestStander17
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10:06pm Wed 13 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

WestStander17 wrote:
PressBoxTeaBoy wrote:
Only half the story Gus ? Budget is important and very helpful, yes. But so is picking right players even if you have the budget. In our case, we chose CMS at 2 Mill, (11 goals this season), very much a hot and cold display. We chose Ulloa at 2 Mill, (1 goal but still early days, probably needs 4 months to settle to the English game) Leicester chose Chris Wood at 2 Mill, (16 goals this season) 6 of those for Leicester already I think, and he hit the ground running, literally? Watford chose Vydra (On Loan), 19 goals this season. A real budget friendly signing there and a star of the Championship. And dare I say it - Crystal Palace chose Murray for free, (24 goals this season), and a real workhorse. None of the above were budget busters, and only time will tell if Leicester, Palace, Watford and the rest of them made better decisions than Gus ? I'm sure there's more but I dont have time to look. I'm just saying ! I still believe its not a striker problem, as much as it is a midfield problem, especially now with CMS, Barnes, Ulloa to chose from. Looks better now that Vicente is back but for me, Lopez and Orlandi are too lightweight and drift in and out of games too often, Hammond is a defensive midfielder and a yard off the pace "sometimes". What we need is the Brighton version of Giggs & Scholes to play in front of the back 4/5, thats what drives the forward line into productivity and I really dont see that type of player in our squad.
Didn't think I'd ever see "Glen Murray" and "workhorse" in the same sentence! He always looked tired so maybe you assumed he'd done a lot of work!

Anyway, if "workhorse" is meant as a compliment, isn't CMS the biggest workhorse of them all?!

Unless you go out and pay millions and millions for a proven goalscorer, there is always a bit of luck involved in whether a striker scores goals in different teams. I'm far happier with CMS and Ulloa than Murray and Wood.
Well said, both are yet to come good, but with another providing from midfield.. They will score plenty, please guys lets get positive, had lua lua shot been 10 inches to the left, we
Would not be talking nonsense.
[quote][p][bold]WestStander17[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PressBoxTeaBoy[/bold] wrote: Only half the story Gus ? Budget is important and very helpful, yes. But so is picking right players even if you have the budget. In our case, we chose CMS at 2 Mill, (11 goals this season), very much a hot and cold display. We chose Ulloa at 2 Mill, (1 goal but still early days, probably needs 4 months to settle to the English game) Leicester chose Chris Wood at 2 Mill, (16 goals this season) 6 of those for Leicester already I think, and he hit the ground running, literally? Watford chose Vydra (On Loan), 19 goals this season. A real budget friendly signing there and a star of the Championship. And dare I say it - Crystal Palace chose Murray for free, (24 goals this season), and a real workhorse. None of the above were budget busters, and only time will tell if Leicester, Palace, Watford and the rest of them made better decisions than Gus ? I'm sure there's more but I dont have time to look. I'm just saying ! I still believe its not a striker problem, as much as it is a midfield problem, especially now with CMS, Barnes, Ulloa to chose from. Looks better now that Vicente is back but for me, Lopez and Orlandi are too lightweight and drift in and out of games too often, Hammond is a defensive midfielder and a yard off the pace "sometimes". What we need is the Brighton version of Giggs & Scholes to play in front of the back 4/5, thats what drives the forward line into productivity and I really dont see that type of player in our squad.[/p][/quote]Didn't think I'd ever see "Glen Murray" and "workhorse" in the same sentence! He always looked tired so maybe you assumed he'd done a lot of work! Anyway, if "workhorse" is meant as a compliment, isn't CMS the biggest workhorse of them all?! Unless you go out and pay millions and millions for a proven goalscorer, there is always a bit of luck involved in whether a striker scores goals in different teams. I'm far happier with CMS and Ulloa than Murray and Wood.[/p][/quote]Well said, both are yet to come good, but with another providing from midfield.. They will score plenty, please guys lets get positive, had lua lua shot been 10 inches to the left, we Would not be talking nonsense. mark by the sea
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10:14pm Wed 13 Feb 13

VegasSeagull says...

If we don't go up this season, and if we hang on to Poyet, I would not be at all upset. Yes it would be nice to make it but if we don't, life won't end as we know it.

This season has seen some good signings and some, 'possible good signings,' those bought for the development squad.
We know of at least one target for next season, Dijk, and there will be more, I think it's fair to state that as.fact.

Whilst it's true to say that we have some great players, it's also true that we are not, as yet, a great team, but we are getting better with every good signing.

Even without promotion there will be so much to do in between seasons. Some contracts to re-new, or not as the case may be. Some sold and some let go on a free. We will have the new training facility, the inbuilt acadamy must surely mean that new faces will arrive, 'if you build it they will come,' (borrowed from an old baseball movie).

I know that promotion will also mean all of the above but if we are still in the Championship division it will make it all no less enthralling to me.

Nope, another year in this division won't bother me too much, I just hope that Poyet stays to continue what he and Bloom have started.
If we don't go up this season, and if we hang on to Poyet, I would not be at all upset. Yes it would be nice to make it but if we don't, life won't end as we know it. This season has seen some good signings and some, 'possible good signings,' those bought for the development squad. We know of at least one target for next season, Dijk, and there will be more, I think it's fair to state that as.fact. Whilst it's true to say that we have some great players, it's also true that we are not, as yet, a great team, but we are getting better with every good signing. Even without promotion there will be so much to do in between seasons. Some contracts to re-new, or not as the case may be. Some sold and some let go on a free. We will have the new training facility, the inbuilt acadamy must surely mean that new faces will arrive, 'if you build it they will come,' (borrowed from an old baseball movie). I know that promotion will also mean all of the above but if we are still in the Championship division it will make it all no less enthralling to me. Nope, another year in this division won't bother me too much, I just hope that Poyet stays to continue what he and Bloom have started. VegasSeagull
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10:45pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Brighton Bill says...

Sorry Gus but your full of excuses, any Manager can blame the budget, it's down to you what you can get out of your players, especially the ones you have bought and then don't decide to play them, and the ones you have bought and then moved on without giving them a chance, take a long hard look at yourself before you keep making these excuses. Supporter for past 52 years. Yorkshire Seagull.
Sorry Gus but your full of excuses, any Manager can blame the budget, it's down to you what you can get out of your players, especially the ones you have bought and then don't decide to play them, and the ones you have bought and then moved on without giving them a chance, take a long hard look at yourself before you keep making these excuses. Supporter for past 52 years. Yorkshire Seagull. Brighton Bill
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10:54pm Wed 13 Feb 13

Godstone Gull says...

fairweathersupporter wrote:
tug509 wrote: If i could put this post in another name i would. But a few years ago those luvable Brummies at St Andrews,called someome in to,how do you say,exorcise something that they believed was destroying their season,actually more than just one season. We`ve always had the,bury a shirt under the centre circle hoodoo. Just a thought considering how we are murdering teams with little or no reward. Daft i know !!??. UTA
Tug, i think any hoodoo is attached to Hoskins. He has either upset a higher deity or crashed through a mirror shop. i noticed he crossed himself and touched the pitch when he came on yesterday. Didn't do him much good... Seriously though, as i said earlier, LUCK is a strange mistress.
Did the club peeve the Witches of Lewes during the planning application for the Amex? Can the Holy Grail be found in Albion Street Lewes?

http://www.badwitch.
co.uk/2009/08/ghosts
-and-grails-of-lewes
.html
[quote][p][bold]fairweathersupporter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: If i could put this post in another name i would. But a few years ago those luvable Brummies at St Andrews,called someome in to,how do you say,exorcise something that they believed was destroying their season,actually more than just one season. We`ve always had the,bury a shirt under the centre circle hoodoo. Just a thought considering how we are murdering teams with little or no reward. Daft i know !!??. UTA[/p][/quote]Tug, i think any hoodoo is attached to Hoskins. He has either upset a higher deity or crashed through a mirror shop. i noticed he crossed himself and touched the pitch when he came on yesterday. Didn't do him much good... Seriously though, as i said earlier, LUCK is a strange mistress.[/p][/quote]Did the club peeve the Witches of Lewes during the planning application for the Amex? Can the Holy Grail be found in Albion Street Lewes? http://www.badwitch. co.uk/2009/08/ghosts -and-grails-of-lewes .html Godstone Gull
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12:13am Thu 14 Feb 13

Old Scrote of the Amex says...

Brighton Bill wrote:
Sorry Gus but your full of excuses, any Manager can blame the budget, it's down to you what you can get out of your players, especially the ones you have bought and then don't decide to play them, and the ones you have bought and then moved on without giving them a chance, take a long hard look at yourself before you keep making these excuses. Supporter for past 52 years. Yorkshire Seagull.
Do you not think he's actually done quite well? And as for those he has not given a chance to, he sees them in training every single day - if they were impressing him they would play! I'm not sure it's HIM who needs to take a long hard look at himself - those who criticize having never done the job should be first in that particular line.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Bill[/bold] wrote: Sorry Gus but your full of excuses, any Manager can blame the budget, it's down to you what you can get out of your players, especially the ones you have bought and then don't decide to play them, and the ones you have bought and then moved on without giving them a chance, take a long hard look at yourself before you keep making these excuses. Supporter for past 52 years. Yorkshire Seagull.[/p][/quote]Do you not think he's actually done quite well? And as for those he has not given a chance to, he sees them in training every single day - if they were impressing him they would play! I'm not sure it's HIM who needs to take a long hard look at himself - those who criticize having never done the job should be first in that particular line. Old Scrote of the Amex
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1:07am Thu 14 Feb 13

Baldseagull says...

Brighton Bill wrote:
Sorry Gus but your full of excuses, any Manager can blame the budget, it's down to you what you can get out of your players, especially the ones you have bought and then don't decide to play them, and the ones you have bought and then moved on without giving them a chance, take a long hard look at yourself before you keep making these excuses. Supporter for past 52 years. Yorkshire Seagull.
I don't read this as an excuse, I read it as Gus asking to be trusted with a bigger budget so he can be certain to deliver promotion.
It will be tough to retain some of the players we have, let alone improve, if we are not closer to paying what the bigger spenders pay.
I don't want the club to spend beyond its means though, and I don't think we will, so Gus will have to find a way to do it on the cheap.
[quote][p][bold]Brighton Bill[/bold] wrote: Sorry Gus but your full of excuses, any Manager can blame the budget, it's down to you what you can get out of your players, especially the ones you have bought and then don't decide to play them, and the ones you have bought and then moved on without giving them a chance, take a long hard look at yourself before you keep making these excuses. Supporter for past 52 years. Yorkshire Seagull.[/p][/quote]I don't read this as an excuse, I read it as Gus asking to be trusted with a bigger budget so he can be certain to deliver promotion. It will be tough to retain some of the players we have, let alone improve, if we are not closer to paying what the bigger spenders pay. I don't want the club to spend beyond its means though, and I don't think we will, so Gus will have to find a way to do it on the cheap. Baldseagull
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8:40am Thu 14 Feb 13

dave from bexill says...

ballantrrae wrote:
dave from bexill wrote:
Ballantrrae, who would you leave out to accommodate Bruno in midfield?
Dave from Bexhill Hi !
In answer to your question Bruno might be an alternative to Hammond.
Consider this scenario. Bridcutt is only one yellow card away from a 2 match ban. When that happens Poyet will probably drop Hammond back to the 'holding' midfielder role. With Crofts injured I wondered if Bruno might be an option. He offers some physical presence, makes some good surging forward runs and sometimes produces an excellent pass witness that chip earlier this season which led to Buckley scoring.
Another possibility would be for Bruno to play wide on the right if Buckley doesn't return to form with Calde as MBTS suggests playing behind him although I have to say I quite like David on that flank. (this is also in reply to Tug509 's query).
What I was trying to explore was whether there might be a potential team selection which could accomodate both Bruno and Calde rather than just one or the other.
Apologies for the longwinded reply.
Interesting selections Ballantrrae and I hadn't realized Bridders is only two away from a further ban.As much as I like Bruno (at his best), I do think Calde has been particularly unlucky to have lost his starting place.
[quote][p][bold]ballantrrae[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dave from bexill[/bold] wrote: Ballantrrae, who would you leave out to accommodate Bruno in midfield?[/p][/quote]Dave from Bexhill Hi ! In answer to your question Bruno might be an alternative to Hammond. Consider this scenario. Bridcutt is only one yellow card away from a 2 match ban. When that happens Poyet will probably drop Hammond back to the 'holding' midfielder role. With Crofts injured I wondered if Bruno might be an option. He offers some physical presence, makes some good surging forward runs and sometimes produces an excellent pass witness that chip earlier this season which led to Buckley scoring. Another possibility would be for Bruno to play wide on the right if Buckley doesn't return to form with Calde as MBTS suggests playing behind him although I have to say I quite like David on that flank. (this is also in reply to Tug509 's query). What I was trying to explore was whether there might be a potential team selection which could accomodate both Bruno and Calde rather than just one or the other. Apologies for the longwinded reply.[/p][/quote]Interesting selections Ballantrrae and I hadn't realized Bridders is only two away from a further ban.As much as I like Bruno (at his best), I do think Calde has been particularly unlucky to have lost his starting place. dave from bexill
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9:37am Thu 14 Feb 13

lequack80 says...

Never commented on the Albion before but thought I'd put my two pence in.

Poyet's comments are straight out of the Harry Redknapp school of management, i.e. give me more money Mr Chairman or I'm off to someone who can. If he were happy with the situation, his comments would read something like: 'Yes, we're playing with a lower budget but we've got some excellent players who can challenge for promotion to the Premiership and ensure that the club has a stable financial footing."

HIs comments are a veiled criticism of the running of the club and he's trying to persuade either Bloom to give him more cash or someone else to give him a position with more cash.

It should be remembered that this is the Championship and budgets don't have as great an affect on team performance as they might in the Premier League. A number of teams have succeeded despite their budgets (Blackburn, Reading, Burnley, Norwich, Watford), while a number of others have failed despite their riches (aka, Leicester, Bolton, Birmingham).

I think we can expect more of these types of comments until Bloom shells out a few more millions or Poyet's offered a (ex-)Premier League job. Personally, I'd prefer the latter.
Never commented on the Albion before but thought I'd put my two pence in. Poyet's comments are straight out of the Harry Redknapp school of management, i.e. give me more money Mr Chairman or I'm off to someone who can. If he were happy with the situation, his comments would read something like: 'Yes, we're playing with a lower budget but we've got some excellent players who can challenge for promotion to the Premiership and ensure that the club has a stable financial footing." HIs comments are a veiled criticism of the running of the club and he's trying to persuade either Bloom to give him more cash or someone else to give him a position with more cash. It should be remembered that this is the Championship and budgets don't have as great an affect on team performance as they might in the Premier League. A number of teams have succeeded despite their budgets (Blackburn, Reading, Burnley, Norwich, Watford), while a number of others have failed despite their riches (aka, Leicester, Bolton, Birmingham). I think we can expect more of these types of comments until Bloom shells out a few more millions or Poyet's offered a (ex-)Premier League job. Personally, I'd prefer the latter. lequack80
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10:30am Thu 14 Feb 13

fairweathersupporter says...

lequack80 wrote:
Never commented on the Albion before but thought I'd put my two pence in. Poyet's comments are straight out of the Harry Redknapp school of management, i.e. give me more money Mr Chairman or I'm off to someone who can. If he were happy with the situation, his comments would read something like: 'Yes, we're playing with a lower budget but we've got some excellent players who can challenge for promotion to the Premiership and ensure that the club has a stable financial footing." HIs comments are a veiled criticism of the running of the club and he's trying to persuade either Bloom to give him more cash or someone else to give him a position with more cash. It should be remembered that this is the Championship and budgets don't have as great an affect on team performance as they might in the Premier League. A number of teams have succeeded despite their budgets (Blackburn, Reading, Burnley, Norwich, Watford), while a number of others have failed despite their riches (aka, Leicester, Bolton, Birmingham). I think we can expect more of these types of comments until Bloom shells out a few more millions or Poyet's offered a (ex-)Premier League job. Personally, I'd prefer the latter.
I suggest you read it again. Whilst Gus could sometimes benefit from an interpreter, i beleive that it is written in English and bears little resemblance to your take on it (taken as a whole). Hey but each to thier own. ; )...
[quote][p][bold]lequack80[/bold] wrote: Never commented on the Albion before but thought I'd put my two pence in. Poyet's comments are straight out of the Harry Redknapp school of management, i.e. give me more money Mr Chairman or I'm off to someone who can. If he were happy with the situation, his comments would read something like: 'Yes, we're playing with a lower budget but we've got some excellent players who can challenge for promotion to the Premiership and ensure that the club has a stable financial footing." HIs comments are a veiled criticism of the running of the club and he's trying to persuade either Bloom to give him more cash or someone else to give him a position with more cash. It should be remembered that this is the Championship and budgets don't have as great an affect on team performance as they might in the Premier League. A number of teams have succeeded despite their budgets (Blackburn, Reading, Burnley, Norwich, Watford), while a number of others have failed despite their riches (aka, Leicester, Bolton, Birmingham). I think we can expect more of these types of comments until Bloom shells out a few more millions or Poyet's offered a (ex-)Premier League job. Personally, I'd prefer the latter.[/p][/quote]I suggest you read it again. Whilst Gus could sometimes benefit from an interpreter, i beleive that it is written in English and bears little resemblance to your take on it (taken as a whole). Hey but each to thier own. ; )... fairweathersupporter
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3:12pm Thu 14 Feb 13

wolf miguel says...

Money should not become an issue as Albion's average attendances this season is around 27,000 per Home game. That could be near a 3/4 Million spectators (25-27 matches played including Cup & play off possibity?) by the end of this season! Multiply this by by an average of £ 30 a seat. Bringing in around £18.000,000 for this season alone! I would however love to know what all the over heads come to?.
Money should not become an issue as Albion's average attendances this season is around 27,000 per Home game. That could be near a 3/4 Million spectators (25-27 matches played including Cup & play off possibity?) by the end of this season! Multiply this by by an average of £ 30 a seat. Bringing in around £18.000,000 for this season alone! I would however love to know what all the over heads come to?. wolf miguel
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4:17pm Thu 14 Feb 13

mark by the sea says...

wolf miguel wrote:
Money should not become an issue as Albion's average attendances this season is around 27,000 per Home game. That could be near a 3/4 Million spectators (25-27 matches played including Cup & play off possibity?) by the end of this season! Multiply this by by an average of £ 30 a seat. Bringing in around £18.000,000 for this season alone! I would however love to know what all the over heads come to?.
Cms 1 million in wages, a dozen others on Half a million.
[quote][p][bold]wolf miguel[/bold] wrote: Money should not become an issue as Albion's average attendances this season is around 27,000 per Home game. That could be near a 3/4 Million spectators (25-27 matches played including Cup & play off possibity?) by the end of this season! Multiply this by by an average of £ 30 a seat. Bringing in around £18.000,000 for this season alone! I would however love to know what all the over heads come to?.[/p][/quote]Cms 1 million in wages, a dozen others on Half a million. mark by the sea
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4:26pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Freeloaders says...

tug509 wrote:
I have a dream,and that dream is that,Albion shirts will be common place on the streets of Manchester. UTA
LOL Now thats a good dream tug509.How about the streets of Liverpool,or even parts of south london ha.I like your thinking tug.
[quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I have a dream,and that dream is that,Albion shirts will be common place on the streets of Manchester. UTA[/p][/quote]LOL Now thats a good dream tug509.How about the streets of Liverpool,or even parts of south london ha.I like your thinking tug. Freeloaders
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7:57pm Thu 14 Feb 13

tradebooker says...

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VOTE THE GREENS OUT THEY ARE ANTI FOOTBALL SUPPORTERS AND NOT INTERESTED IN FOOTBALL. Vote now: http://thelatest.co. uk/brighton/2012/11/ 06/the-vote-who-woul d-you-vote-for-today / tradebooker
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9:14am Fri 15 Feb 13

tug509 says...

Freeloaders wrote:
tug509 wrote:
I have a dream,and that dream is that,Albion shirts will be common place on the streets of Manchester. UTA
LOL Now thats a good dream tug509.How about the streets of Liverpool,or even parts of south london ha.I like your thinking tug.
Thankyou very much,it always makes me cringe to see a glory hunters shirt in our fair city. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Freeloaders[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tug509[/bold] wrote: I have a dream,and that dream is that,Albion shirts will be common place on the streets of Manchester. UTA[/p][/quote]LOL Now thats a good dream tug509.How about the streets of Liverpool,or even parts of south london ha.I like your thinking tug.[/p][/quote]Thankyou very much,it always makes me cringe to see a glory hunters shirt in our fair city. UTA tug509
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