Hyypia keen to assess attacking options

Sami Hyypia

Sami Hyypia

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Sami Hyypia has spoken of his excitement about working on an attacking master plan with his new players.

Albion’s recently-appointed manager admits he is determined to improve a goals tally of 55 in the Championship last season.

But he says he will not work on any strategy until he gets a close look at the talent he has at his disposal when players report to their new training base later this month.

Hyypia is expected to stick with the 4-3-3 set-up used by the Seagulls in recent seasons and by Bayer Leverkusen under his command but said: “The striker doesn’t necessarily need to be a big guy, even though with Leverkusen and Brighton that is the case.

“The player above two attacking players can also be a smaller player with good movement, a player who can draw the centre-backs out with his movement.

“My default idea is still the same I had at Leverkusen but I need to see which system fits our player types in the best possible manner.”

He added: “There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.

“First I need to see our players and player types at training and decide if they will be suited to the football I have in mind.

“If they are not, I need to adapt and think about something else or we can enter the transfer market and look for solutions from there. It is quite interesting to see what we find."

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7:10am Fri 20 Jun 14

pannell1 says...

Managers with 1 idea sounds a bit like poyet and oscar to me time for something different how about a b,plan something gus and oscar never did!
Managers with 1 idea sounds a bit like poyet and oscar to me time for something different how about a b,plan something gus and oscar never did! pannell1
  • Score: -6

7:33am Fri 20 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player,
Up the Albion!!
Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player, Up the Albion!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -2

8:09am Fri 20 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player,
Up the Albion!!
I think the whole point of this story is that he isn't simply going to go out and round up a selection of players and see if they work.
While we clearly do need players in, I for one, like the idea that he's prepared to adapt and think carefully about how new players will fit in. I'm sure he'll already have people in mind before he sees training, but it sounds like he's prepared to think a little.
Not so much a plan B, just a plan.
No guarantees of course, but it's a start...
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]I think the whole point of this story is that he isn't simply going to go out and round up a selection of players and see if they work. While we clearly do need players in, I for one, like the idea that he's prepared to adapt and think carefully about how new players will fit in. I'm sure he'll already have people in mind before he sees training, but it sounds like he's prepared to think a little. Not so much a plan B, just a plan. No guarantees of course, but it's a start... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 14

8:09am Fri 20 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player,
Up the Albion!!
I think the whole point of this story is that he isn't simply going to go out and round up a selection of players and see if they work.
While we clearly do need players in, I for one, like the idea that he's prepared to adapt and think carefully about how new players will fit in. I'm sure he'll already have people in mind before he sees training, but it sounds like he's prepared to think a little.
Not so much a plan B, just a plan.
No guarantees of course, but it's a start...
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]I think the whole point of this story is that he isn't simply going to go out and round up a selection of players and see if they work. While we clearly do need players in, I for one, like the idea that he's prepared to adapt and think carefully about how new players will fit in. I'm sure he'll already have people in mind before he sees training, but it sounds like he's prepared to think a little. Not so much a plan B, just a plan. No guarantees of course, but it's a start... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 1

8:14am Fri 20 Jun 14

9 of us says...

pannell1 wrote:
Managers with 1 idea sounds a bit like poyet and oscar to me time for something different how about a b,plan something gus and oscar never did!
keep trying
[quote][p][bold]pannell1[/bold] wrote: Managers with 1 idea sounds a bit like poyet and oscar to me time for something different how about a b,plan something gus and oscar never did![/p][/quote]keep trying 9 of us
  • Score: 8

8:27am Fri 20 Jun 14

keswick says...

Well to see some attacking intent, especially at home, is a step in the right direction. It is early days but I like the way Sami speaks and his ideas on the game. At least he recognises our main deficiency.
Well to see some attacking intent, especially at home, is a step in the right direction. It is early days but I like the way Sami speaks and his ideas on the game. At least he recognises our main deficiency. keswick
  • Score: 17

8:38am Fri 20 Jun 14

pablobrowno says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player,
Up the Albion!!
Chris Woods is working as a goalkeeping coach now. I just don't see him cutting the mustard up front for us. We need to aim for younger players (younger than 50 odd) who are still actively playing, not ones who've been retired for many years.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Chris Woods is working as a goalkeeping coach now. I just don't see him cutting the mustard up front for us. We need to aim for younger players (younger than 50 odd) who are still actively playing, not ones who've been retired for many years. pablobrowno
  • Score: 14

8:38am Fri 20 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

Scoring more goals is a must but I don't think we have to change radically.
The problem IMHO last year is that we were too predictable. We needed to attack much quickly at pace and mix it up a bit. And more accuracy in front of goal would help. What about shooting practice?
A route 1 goal like Louis Suarez's second last night would do me every now and then. All we need is Louis Suarez.
Anyway I'm looking forward to what Sami is planning. UTA
Scoring more goals is a must but I don't think we have to change radically. The problem IMHO last year is that we were too predictable. We needed to attack much quickly at pace and mix it up a bit. And more accuracy in front of goal would help. What about shooting practice? A route 1 goal like Louis Suarez's second last night would do me every now and then. All we need is Louis Suarez. Anyway I'm looking forward to what Sami is planning. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 12

9:20am Fri 20 Jun 14

heathgate says...

I thought we were looking ok last season until Crofts got injured. From that point onward, our striker support was patchy at best from central midfield, probably non existent.
I thought we were looking ok last season until Crofts got injured. From that point onward, our striker support was patchy at best from central midfield, probably non existent. heathgate
  • Score: 16

9:34am Fri 20 Jun 14

Oscar's Chin says...

pablobrowno wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player,
Up the Albion!!
Chris Woods is working as a goalkeeping coach now. I just don't see him cutting the mustard up front for us. We need to aim for younger players (younger than 50 odd) who are still actively playing, not ones who've been retired for many years.
Haha. Very good!
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Chris Woods is working as a goalkeeping coach now. I just don't see him cutting the mustard up front for us. We need to aim for younger players (younger than 50 odd) who are still actively playing, not ones who've been retired for many years.[/p][/quote]Haha. Very good! Oscar's Chin
  • Score: 11

9:44am Fri 20 Jun 14

ringtone says...

pablobrowno wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player,
Up the Albion!!
Chris Woods is working as a goalkeeping coach now. I just don't see him cutting the mustard up front for us. We need to aim for younger players (younger than 50 odd) who are still actively playing, not ones who've been retired for many years.
Pathetic.
[quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Chris Woods is working as a goalkeeping coach now. I just don't see him cutting the mustard up front for us. We need to aim for younger players (younger than 50 odd) who are still actively playing, not ones who've been retired for many years.[/p][/quote]Pathetic. ringtone
  • Score: -20

9:51am Fri 20 Jun 14

Uckfield Seagull says...

Pleased Hyypia not rushing in signing any tom dick or harry, going about things in the right way. His words seem very reassuring, lets hope this continues and his players back up his words. So far so good, Just hope every Brighton fan gives him time, we need a manager for 3 years not just 12 months, I have a good feeling about Hyypia, seems a good fit, be good to have a manager with some personality, liked Oscar but hardly inspiring, players must look up to Hyypua
Pleased Hyypia not rushing in signing any tom dick or harry, going about things in the right way. His words seem very reassuring, lets hope this continues and his players back up his words. So far so good, Just hope every Brighton fan gives him time, we need a manager for 3 years not just 12 months, I have a good feeling about Hyypia, seems a good fit, be good to have a manager with some personality, liked Oscar but hardly inspiring, players must look up to Hyypua Uckfield Seagull
  • Score: 8

9:53am Fri 20 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

If you read Sami's comments carefully it sounds like he is making a case for CMS to play rather than Ulloa. Is Leo going?
If you read Sami's comments carefully it sounds like he is making a case for CMS to play rather than Ulloa. Is Leo going? Claude Back
  • Score: -3

9:55am Fri 20 Jun 14

Kit Napier's Beard says...

Talking about Tom, I wonder whether the club have contacted TK about returning to be our goalkeeper?
Talking about Tom, I wonder whether the club have contacted TK about returning to be our goalkeeper? Kit Napier's Beard
  • Score: 3

10:51am Fri 20 Jun 14

TheWerewolf says...

Claude Back wrote:
If you read Sami's comments carefully it sounds like he is making a case for CMS to play rather than Ulloa. Is Leo going?
I read it as talking up CMS, not sure about Ulloa going though. He has publicly come out saying he wants him to stay and is waiting to chat to him when he gets back from holiday. (about now). Both at full fitness with Hoskins and at least 1 (ideally 2) more then we can be a force. I would expect Hyypia to get the back line very well organised as in previous years. Talks a good game so lets hope it translates well on the pitch. UTA
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: If you read Sami's comments carefully it sounds like he is making a case for CMS to play rather than Ulloa. Is Leo going?[/p][/quote]I read it as talking up CMS, not sure about Ulloa going though. He has publicly come out saying he wants him to stay and is waiting to chat to him when he gets back from holiday. (about now). Both at full fitness with Hoskins and at least 1 (ideally 2) more then we can be a force. I would expect Hyypia to get the back line very well organised as in previous years. Talks a good game so lets hope it translates well on the pitch. UTA TheWerewolf
  • Score: 2

11:10am Fri 20 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

TheWerewolf wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
If you read Sami's comments carefully it sounds like he is making a case for CMS to play rather than Ulloa. Is Leo going?
I read it as talking up CMS, not sure about Ulloa going though. He has publicly come out saying he wants him to stay and is waiting to chat to him when he gets back from holiday. (about now). Both at full fitness with Hoskins and at least 1 (ideally 2) more then we can be a force. I would expect Hyypia to get the back line very well organised as in previous years. Talks a good game so lets hope it translates well on the pitch. UTA
Yes, I think you're right about talking up CMS. I thought that as well. Would be nice to see Leo And CMS up front together but I get the feeling that CMS would be used more towards the wing as S.H. favours 4-3-3 it appears.
[quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: If you read Sami's comments carefully it sounds like he is making a case for CMS to play rather than Ulloa. Is Leo going?[/p][/quote]I read it as talking up CMS, not sure about Ulloa going though. He has publicly come out saying he wants him to stay and is waiting to chat to him when he gets back from holiday. (about now). Both at full fitness with Hoskins and at least 1 (ideally 2) more then we can be a force. I would expect Hyypia to get the back line very well organised as in previous years. Talks a good game so lets hope it translates well on the pitch. UTA[/p][/quote]Yes, I think you're right about talking up CMS. I thought that as well. Would be nice to see Leo And CMS up front together but I get the feeling that CMS would be used more towards the wing as S.H. favours 4-3-3 it appears. Claude Back
  • Score: 8

11:19am Fri 20 Jun 14

Joel'sGrandad says...

TheWerewolf wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
If you read Sami's comments carefully it sounds like he is making a case for CMS to play rather than Ulloa. Is Leo going?
I read it as talking up CMS, not sure about Ulloa going though. He has publicly come out saying he wants him to stay and is waiting to chat to him when he gets back from holiday. (about now). Both at full fitness with Hoskins and at least 1 (ideally 2) more then we can be a force. I would expect Hyypia to get the back line very well organised as in previous years. Talks a good game so lets hope it translates well on the pitch. UTA
I'm pretty sure Will Hoskins has been released, which is a shame because I feel he can still offer something to the team.
Maybe we could offer Will a short term contract for him to prove his fitness because some club is going to pick up a very good player. Trouble is his fitness record but he did have 2 bad injuries unlike others who had intermittent injuries which don't seem quite so bad. UTA
[quote][p][bold]TheWerewolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: If you read Sami's comments carefully it sounds like he is making a case for CMS to play rather than Ulloa. Is Leo going?[/p][/quote]I read it as talking up CMS, not sure about Ulloa going though. He has publicly come out saying he wants him to stay and is waiting to chat to him when he gets back from holiday. (about now). Both at full fitness with Hoskins and at least 1 (ideally 2) more then we can be a force. I would expect Hyypia to get the back line very well organised as in previous years. Talks a good game so lets hope it translates well on the pitch. UTA[/p][/quote]I'm pretty sure Will Hoskins has been released, which is a shame because I feel he can still offer something to the team. Maybe we could offer Will a short term contract for him to prove his fitness because some club is going to pick up a very good player. Trouble is his fitness record but he did have 2 bad injuries unlike others who had intermittent injuries which don't seem quite so bad. UTA Joel'sGrandad
  • Score: 2

12:00pm Fri 20 Jun 14

pablobrowno says...

ringtone wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player,
Up the Albion!!
Chris Woods is working as a goalkeeping coach now. I just don't see him cutting the mustard up front for us. We need to aim for younger players (younger than 50 odd) who are still actively playing, not ones who've been retired for many years.
Pathetic.
Ring piece, you would need a half intelligent sense of humour to appreciate the irony in my comment.

Clearly you are...well....rather odd. I mean that genuinely too, it's like having a 9 year old idiot popping up with your comments. I would love to think you had the balls to meet some of is face to face but you are obviously hiding behind your laptop in a dark room. God knows what else you get up to?
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Chris Woods is working as a goalkeeping coach now. I just don't see him cutting the mustard up front for us. We need to aim for younger players (younger than 50 odd) who are still actively playing, not ones who've been retired for many years.[/p][/quote]Pathetic.[/p][/quote]Ring piece, you would need a half intelligent sense of humour to appreciate the irony in my comment. Clearly you are...well....rather odd. I mean that genuinely too, it's like having a 9 year old idiot popping up with your comments. I would love to think you had the balls to meet some of is face to face but you are obviously hiding behind your laptop in a dark room. God knows what else you get up to? pablobrowno
  • Score: 8

12:10pm Fri 20 Jun 14

pte says...

To say: "The striker doesn’t necessarily need to be a big guy" means Sami is preparing for Leo to go. So it's pointless making plans just yet until he knows who he has at his disposal.

History has shown that the club's attitude is that when a player is near to the end of his contract he is let go before going on a Bosman. Which means CMS will be sold, either now or in January as they don't like being held to ransom on the wages. Makes sense to wait till January before deciding, if he performs well sell him for a fat fee or keep him on increased wages

If they don't manage to get two or three strikers plus a winger it will be very interesting to see what happens. But you would think that a hefty fee for Ulloa would be enough for a club if it is well run to find and afford replacements
To say: "The striker doesn’t necessarily need to be a big guy" means Sami is preparing for Leo to go. So it's pointless making plans just yet until he knows who he has at his disposal. History has shown that the club's attitude is that when a player is near to the end of his contract he is let go before going on a Bosman. Which means CMS will be sold, either now or in January as they don't like being held to ransom on the wages. Makes sense to wait till January before deciding, if he performs well sell him for a fat fee or keep him on increased wages If they don't manage to get two or three strikers plus a winger it will be very interesting to see what happens. But you would think that a hefty fee for Ulloa would be enough for a club if it is well run to find and afford replacements pte
  • Score: 0

12:56pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

What concerns me is that all this conjecture over players/systems etc should have been done weeks ago and by now we should be writing cheques and welcoming new players in. There's been no 'proper' signings only speculation about some Finnish players that may or may not be looked at. The new season is less than 2 months away, urgency is needed. It almost feels like the club is resigned to being happy with a mid table finish, we should be targeting promotion. It's all far far too quiet, hopefully the club will spring in to life before it's too late.
What concerns me is that all this conjecture over players/systems etc should have been done weeks ago and by now we should be writing cheques and welcoming new players in. There's been no 'proper' signings only speculation about some Finnish players that may or may not be looked at. The new season is less than 2 months away, urgency is needed. It almost feels like the club is resigned to being happy with a mid table finish, we should be targeting promotion. It's all far far too quiet, hopefully the club will spring in to life before it's too late. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -18

1:15pm Fri 20 Jun 14

pjwilk says...

Dont think that have wanted promotion or want promotion.Mid table for a few more years.Promotion will cost too much in transfers and wages.We are so frugal it hurts.
Dont think that have wanted promotion or want promotion.Mid table for a few more years.Promotion will cost too much in transfers and wages.We are so frugal it hurts. pjwilk
  • Score: -10

1:21pm Fri 20 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

I get the impression that Sami, one item at a time, is drawing up a, 'to do list,' and what we are reading in these articles are his thoughts, thoughts that are darting in differnt directions because right now he can't get going. Pace will be the next item to add to his list.

Untill Sami gets the guys together, talks with those he needs to, and works with all of them, not a lot can happen. The pleasing thing for me is that we haven't gone out and spent chunks of money just yet, panic is not setting in, even if we do need more than half a team signed up. Bring in the right players to do the job, so much better than signing a player simply because he was on a so called, 'free.'
I get the impression that Sami, one item at a time, is drawing up a, 'to do list,' and what we are reading in these articles are his thoughts, thoughts that are darting in differnt directions because right now he can't get going. Pace will be the next item to add to his list. Untill Sami gets the guys together, talks with those he needs to, and works with all of them, not a lot can happen. The pleasing thing for me is that we haven't gone out and spent chunks of money just yet, panic is not setting in, even if we do need more than half a team signed up. Bring in the right players to do the job, so much better than signing a player simply because he was on a so called, 'free.' VegasSeagull
  • Score: -2

2:09pm Fri 20 Jun 14

AlanDuffy says...

I don't know for a fact, so am open to correction, but it seems to me that Sami, on holiday in Finland, has given an interview to the Finnish press, sections of which are being drip-fed to us by the Argus ( as soon as they can get them translated! ). That being the case, I'm a little disappointed that the new manager is not in situ and working with the recruitment team on targets and a back-up team. My apologies if I'm wrong, but my reading is that the club's on holiday and nothing will happen till they come back. Meanwhile, Birmingham, for example, have signed 7 players, so there is business being done. Just hope we're not leaving it too late.
I don't know for a fact, so am open to correction, but it seems to me that Sami, on holiday in Finland, has given an interview to the Finnish press, sections of which are being drip-fed to us by the Argus ( as soon as they can get them translated! ). That being the case, I'm a little disappointed that the new manager is not in situ and working with the recruitment team on targets and a back-up team. My apologies if I'm wrong, but my reading is that the club's on holiday and nothing will happen till they come back. Meanwhile, Birmingham, for example, have signed 7 players, so there is business being done. Just hope we're not leaving it too late. AlanDuffy
  • Score: -3

2:26pm Fri 20 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
I don't know for a fact, so am open to correction, but it seems to me that Sami, on holiday in Finland, has given an interview to the Finnish press, sections of which are being drip-fed to us by the Argus ( as soon as they can get them translated! ). That being the case, I'm a little disappointed that the new manager is not in situ and working with the recruitment team on targets and a back-up team. My apologies if I'm wrong, but my reading is that the club's on holiday and nothing will happen till they come back. Meanwhile, Birmingham, for example, have signed 7 players, so there is business being done. Just hope we're not leaving it too late.
Did we really want players signed before a new manager was installed? Is it not better for Hyypia to at least meet with his players before he sets out on a rebuild? We might well get into pre-season training prior to new players arriving, but shoudn't Sami evaluate his squad before buying or borrowing new?
How many times have I, and others, been told by some that attend matches, 'if you see them in the flesh you get a better idea, TV-video, can only give part of the story.'
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: I don't know for a fact, so am open to correction, but it seems to me that Sami, on holiday in Finland, has given an interview to the Finnish press, sections of which are being drip-fed to us by the Argus ( as soon as they can get them translated! ). That being the case, I'm a little disappointed that the new manager is not in situ and working with the recruitment team on targets and a back-up team. My apologies if I'm wrong, but my reading is that the club's on holiday and nothing will happen till they come back. Meanwhile, Birmingham, for example, have signed 7 players, so there is business being done. Just hope we're not leaving it too late.[/p][/quote]Did we really want players signed before a new manager was installed? Is it not better for Hyypia to at least meet with his players before he sets out on a rebuild? We might well get into pre-season training prior to new players arriving, but shoudn't Sami evaluate his squad before buying or borrowing new? How many times have I, and others, been told by some that attend matches, 'if you see them in the flesh you get a better idea, TV-video, can only give part of the story.' VegasSeagull
  • Score: -1

2:43pm Fri 20 Jun 14

novascotiagull says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
What concerns me is that all this conjecture over players/systems etc should have been done weeks ago and by now we should be writing cheques and welcoming new players in. There's been no 'proper' signings only speculation about some Finnish players that may or may not be looked at. The new season is less than 2 months away, urgency is needed. It almost feels like the club is resigned to being happy with a mid table finish, we should be targeting promotion. It's all far far too quiet, hopefully the club will spring in to life before it's too late.
Did everyone not read the statement from this club and many others that said the players and most of the club staff are on vacation until 23 June. There has been no action because it was planned that way. Why do people want to invent problems where there are none.
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: What concerns me is that all this conjecture over players/systems etc should have been done weeks ago and by now we should be writing cheques and welcoming new players in. There's been no 'proper' signings only speculation about some Finnish players that may or may not be looked at. The new season is less than 2 months away, urgency is needed. It almost feels like the club is resigned to being happy with a mid table finish, we should be targeting promotion. It's all far far too quiet, hopefully the club will spring in to life before it's too late.[/p][/quote]Did everyone not read the statement from this club and many others that said the players and most of the club staff are on vacation until 23 June. There has been no action because it was planned that way. Why do people want to invent problems where there are none. novascotiagull
  • Score: 11

2:49pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
I don't know for a fact, so am open to correction, but it seems to me that Sami, on holiday in Finland, has given an interview to the Finnish press, sections of which are being drip-fed to us by the Argus ( as soon as they can get them translated! ). That being the case, I'm a little disappointed that the new manager is not in situ and working with the recruitment team on targets and a back-up team. My apologies if I'm wrong, but my reading is that the club's on holiday and nothing will happen till they come back. Meanwhile, Birmingham, for example, have signed 7 players, so there is business being done. Just hope we're not leaving it too late.
I don't know this for a fact either, but it seems to me he was sitting with his feet under a desk at The Amex, positively discussing plans for the new season.
Apologies for my mildly cynical response, but you have based your negative premise on complete supposition on your part.
One fact we can be sure of is that the whole club doesn't shut up and go on holiday at the same time and even if that were the case, mobile phones and computers would probably be part of their packing.
What we've had is a small series of pieces which outline some early basics of thinking. I's all probably come from the same conversation but that doesn't matter a jot. As with the selection of the manager himself, act in haste repent at leisure.
So... Back to my interpretation of your last sentence......
Meanwhile, Leicester, for example, are still trying to sign Ulloa, so major business clearly ISN'T being done. I just hope they leave it too late....
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: I don't know for a fact, so am open to correction, but it seems to me that Sami, on holiday in Finland, has given an interview to the Finnish press, sections of which are being drip-fed to us by the Argus ( as soon as they can get them translated! ). That being the case, I'm a little disappointed that the new manager is not in situ and working with the recruitment team on targets and a back-up team. My apologies if I'm wrong, but my reading is that the club's on holiday and nothing will happen till they come back. Meanwhile, Birmingham, for example, have signed 7 players, so there is business being done. Just hope we're not leaving it too late.[/p][/quote]I don't know this for a fact either, but it seems to me he was sitting with his feet under a desk at The Amex, positively discussing plans for the new season. Apologies for my mildly cynical response, but you have based your negative premise on complete supposition on your part. One fact we can be sure of is that the whole club doesn't shut up and go on holiday at the same time and even if that were the case, mobile phones and computers would probably be part of their packing. What we've had is a small series of pieces which outline some early basics of thinking. I's all probably come from the same conversation but that doesn't matter a jot. As with the selection of the manager himself, act in haste repent at leisure. So... Back to my interpretation of your last sentence...... Meanwhile, Leicester, for example, are still trying to sign Ulloa, so major business clearly ISN'T being done. I just hope they leave it too late.... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

3:04pm Fri 20 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
I don't know for a fact, so am open to correction, but it seems to me that Sami, on holiday in Finland, has given an interview to the Finnish press, sections of which are being drip-fed to us by the Argus ( as soon as they can get them translated! ). That being the case, I'm a little disappointed that the new manager is not in situ and working with the recruitment team on targets and a back-up team. My apologies if I'm wrong, but my reading is that the club's on holiday and nothing will happen till they come back. Meanwhile, Birmingham, for example, have signed 7 players, so there is business being done. Just hope we're not leaving it too late.
Did we really want players signed before a new manager was installed? Is it not better for Hyypia to at least meet with his players before he sets out on a rebuild? We might well get into pre-season training prior to new players arriving, but shoudn't Sami evaluate his squad before buying or borrowing new?
How many times have I, and others, been told by some that attend matches, 'if you see them in the flesh you get a better idea, TV-video, can only give part of the story.'
The part,sigining new players if a new manager comes to the club my dog knows.

He has not been able to persuade his number 2 from Germany to join him,
shows Jones was is not his first choice.

If we have to wait till preseason training tosee who is what.

God help us,but then half the England squad are for sale.

Fancy Rooney(joke),

The clock is ticking,remember a photo of Poyet just before the deadline mobile in hand and we got ???.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: I don't know for a fact, so am open to correction, but it seems to me that Sami, on holiday in Finland, has given an interview to the Finnish press, sections of which are being drip-fed to us by the Argus ( as soon as they can get them translated! ). That being the case, I'm a little disappointed that the new manager is not in situ and working with the recruitment team on targets and a back-up team. My apologies if I'm wrong, but my reading is that the club's on holiday and nothing will happen till they come back. Meanwhile, Birmingham, for example, have signed 7 players, so there is business being done. Just hope we're not leaving it too late.[/p][/quote]Did we really want players signed before a new manager was installed? Is it not better for Hyypia to at least meet with his players before he sets out on a rebuild? We might well get into pre-season training prior to new players arriving, but shoudn't Sami evaluate his squad before buying or borrowing new? How many times have I, and others, been told by some that attend matches, 'if you see them in the flesh you get a better idea, TV-video, can only give part of the story.'[/p][/quote]The part,sigining new players if a new manager comes to the club my dog knows. He has not been able to persuade his number 2 from Germany to join him, shows Jones was is not his first choice. If we have to wait till preseason training tosee who is what. God help us,but then half the England squad are for sale. Fancy Rooney(joke), The clock is ticking,remember a photo of Poyet just before the deadline mobile in hand and we got ???. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 5

3:43pm Fri 20 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!! JeffLomer
  • Score: 0

3:56pm Fri 20 Jun 14

gordongull says...

JeffLomer wrote:
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!![/p][/quote]The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract. gordongull
  • Score: 2

4:02pm Fri 20 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

The clock may be ticking but it's ticking on our schedule, one that the club knew they had to plan for and in deed did plan for.
Players may be moving around at other clubs and any of those that have gone to the prem would never have been coming to us. A lot of business has been carried out by clubs in the lower divisions, rarely would any of those dealings have much to do with us.
For those who think that we are missing out on quality signings, players we reasonable might have wanted and could have got, take a look at the BBC's daily list of completed transfers, I don't think you will see too many genuine missed chances.

As things stand today I don't think Sami knows who he wants to bring in, he might know of positions that need filling, but we all know some of those. Until he forms an opinion re the strengths and weaknesses of those still with the club, how can he possibly identify targets. All of the DS lads, and the remaining senior squad, need to get back to training, only then will Sami start to get a true idea of what he has to work with.
The clock may be ticking but it's ticking on our schedule, one that the club knew they had to plan for and in deed did plan for. Players may be moving around at other clubs and any of those that have gone to the prem would never have been coming to us. A lot of business has been carried out by clubs in the lower divisions, rarely would any of those dealings have much to do with us. For those who think that we are missing out on quality signings, players we reasonable might have wanted and could have got, take a look at the BBC's daily list of completed transfers, I don't think you will see too many genuine missed chances. As things stand today I don't think Sami knows who he wants to bring in, he might know of positions that need filling, but we all know some of those. Until he forms an opinion re the strengths and weaknesses of those still with the club, how can he possibly identify targets. All of the DS lads, and the remaining senior squad, need to get back to training, only then will Sami start to get a true idea of what he has to work with. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 0

4:05pm Fri 20 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

gordongull wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.
So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books.

Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!![/p][/quote]The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.[/p][/quote]So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books. Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -1

4:12pm Fri 20 Jun 14

JeffLomer says...

gordongull wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.
Thank You Gordon I go to a lot off away games and his brother and mate are at a lot off games especially his mate, and heard Millwall are interested in him, not sure about the other club, but if we have invoked his extension then great to be honest, one thing i can tell you Gordon is that he does not get on with Jones, just passing on what i have been told!!
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!![/p][/quote]The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.[/p][/quote]Thank You Gordon I go to a lot off away games and his brother and mate are at a lot off games especially his mate, and heard Millwall are interested in him, not sure about the other club, but if we have invoked his extension then great to be honest, one thing i can tell you Gordon is that he does not get on with Jones, just passing on what i have been told!! JeffLomer
  • Score: -1

4:13pm Fri 20 Jun 14

gordongull says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
gordongull wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.
So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books.

Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.
Vicente wasn't overjoyed after he was stitched up under similar circumstances.
Let's hope LuaLua wasn't told that he can leave if he wants to, prior to the extension being invoked.
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!![/p][/quote]The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.[/p][/quote]So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books. Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.[/p][/quote]Vicente wasn't overjoyed after he was stitched up under similar circumstances. Let's hope LuaLua wasn't told that he can leave if he wants to, prior to the extension being invoked. gordongull
  • Score: 5

4:18pm Fri 20 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

VegasSeagull wrote:
The clock may be ticking but it's ticking on our schedule, one that the club knew they had to plan for and in deed did plan for.
Players may be moving around at other clubs and any of those that have gone to the prem would never have been coming to us. A lot of business has been carried out by clubs in the lower divisions, rarely would any of those dealings have much to do with us.
For those who think that we are missing out on quality signings, players we reasonable might have wanted and could have got, take a look at the BBC's daily list of completed transfers, I don't think you will see too many genuine missed chances.

As things stand today I don't think Sami knows who he wants to bring in, he might know of positions that need filling, but we all know some of those. Until he forms an opinion re the strengths and weaknesses of those still with the club, how can he possibly identify targets. All of the DS lads, and the remaining senior squad, need to get back to training, only then will Sami start to get a true idea of what he has to work with.
The club had not planned for the Gus fiasco,had not planned the OG ???.

Albion are now looking at players(agents) holding out and bottom of the barrel.

They might fit in if that is what BBB and last of all SH think is worth a (risk)
gamble.
[quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The clock may be ticking but it's ticking on our schedule, one that the club knew they had to plan for and in deed did plan for. Players may be moving around at other clubs and any of those that have gone to the prem would never have been coming to us. A lot of business has been carried out by clubs in the lower divisions, rarely would any of those dealings have much to do with us. For those who think that we are missing out on quality signings, players we reasonable might have wanted and could have got, take a look at the BBC's daily list of completed transfers, I don't think you will see too many genuine missed chances. As things stand today I don't think Sami knows who he wants to bring in, he might know of positions that need filling, but we all know some of those. Until he forms an opinion re the strengths and weaknesses of those still with the club, how can he possibly identify targets. All of the DS lads, and the remaining senior squad, need to get back to training, only then will Sami start to get a true idea of what he has to work with.[/p][/quote]The club had not planned for the Gus fiasco,had not planned the OG ???. Albion are now looking at players(agents) holding out and bottom of the barrel. They might fit in if that is what BBB and last of all SH think is worth a (risk) gamble. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 2

4:25pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

novascotiagull wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
What concerns me is that all this conjecture over players/systems etc should have been done weeks ago and by now we should be writing cheques and welcoming new players in. There's been no 'proper' signings only speculation about some Finnish players that may or may not be looked at. The new season is less than 2 months away, urgency is needed. It almost feels like the club is resigned to being happy with a mid table finish, we should be targeting promotion. It's all far far too quiet, hopefully the club will spring in to life before it's too late.
Did everyone not read the statement from this club and many others that said the players and most of the club staff are on vacation until 23 June. There has been no action because it was planned that way. Why do people want to invent problems where there are none.
Other clubs are doing business while the likes of the Burke brigade and the players sip sangria on a sunlounger or whatever. It sounds like Sami is chomping at the bit to go and sign up the players he knows are needed because he knows the urgency of the matter. Even on holiday the suits and the players can use phone or laptop to do business so there should be no problem. If you snooze you lose and it seems some at the Amex need waking up, we could be stealing a march on everybody else.
[quote][p][bold]novascotiagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: What concerns me is that all this conjecture over players/systems etc should have been done weeks ago and by now we should be writing cheques and welcoming new players in. There's been no 'proper' signings only speculation about some Finnish players that may or may not be looked at. The new season is less than 2 months away, urgency is needed. It almost feels like the club is resigned to being happy with a mid table finish, we should be targeting promotion. It's all far far too quiet, hopefully the club will spring in to life before it's too late.[/p][/quote]Did everyone not read the statement from this club and many others that said the players and most of the club staff are on vacation until 23 June. There has been no action because it was planned that way. Why do people want to invent problems where there are none.[/p][/quote]Other clubs are doing business while the likes of the Burke brigade and the players sip sangria on a sunlounger or whatever. It sounds like Sami is chomping at the bit to go and sign up the players he knows are needed because he knows the urgency of the matter. Even on holiday the suits and the players can use phone or laptop to do business so there should be no problem. If you snooze you lose and it seems some at the Amex need waking up, we could be stealing a march on everybody else. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -6

4:26pm Fri 20 Jun 14

AlanDuffy says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
I don't know for a fact, so am open to correction, but it seems to me that Sami, on holiday in Finland, has given an interview to the Finnish press, sections of which are being drip-fed to us by the Argus ( as soon as they can get them translated! ). That being the case, I'm a little disappointed that the new manager is not in situ and working with the recruitment team on targets and a back-up team. My apologies if I'm wrong, but my reading is that the club's on holiday and nothing will happen till they come back. Meanwhile, Birmingham, for example, have signed 7 players, so there is business being done. Just hope we're not leaving it too late.
I don't know this for a fact either, but it seems to me he was sitting with his feet under a desk at The Amex, positively discussing plans for the new season.
Apologies for my mildly cynical response, but you have based your negative premise on complete supposition on your part.
One fact we can be sure of is that the whole club doesn't shut up and go on holiday at the same time and even if that were the case, mobile phones and computers would probably be part of their packing.
What we've had is a small series of pieces which outline some early basics of thinking. I's all probably come from the same conversation but that doesn't matter a jot. As with the selection of the manager himself, act in haste repent at leisure.
So... Back to my interpretation of your last sentence......
Meanwhile, Leicester, for example, are still trying to sign Ulloa, so major business clearly ISN'T being done. I just hope they leave it too late....
So, neither of us knows anything for a fact........
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: I don't know for a fact, so am open to correction, but it seems to me that Sami, on holiday in Finland, has given an interview to the Finnish press, sections of which are being drip-fed to us by the Argus ( as soon as they can get them translated! ). That being the case, I'm a little disappointed that the new manager is not in situ and working with the recruitment team on targets and a back-up team. My apologies if I'm wrong, but my reading is that the club's on holiday and nothing will happen till they come back. Meanwhile, Birmingham, for example, have signed 7 players, so there is business being done. Just hope we're not leaving it too late.[/p][/quote]I don't know this for a fact either, but it seems to me he was sitting with his feet under a desk at The Amex, positively discussing plans for the new season. Apologies for my mildly cynical response, but you have based your negative premise on complete supposition on your part. One fact we can be sure of is that the whole club doesn't shut up and go on holiday at the same time and even if that were the case, mobile phones and computers would probably be part of their packing. What we've had is a small series of pieces which outline some early basics of thinking. I's all probably come from the same conversation but that doesn't matter a jot. As with the selection of the manager himself, act in haste repent at leisure. So... Back to my interpretation of your last sentence...... Meanwhile, Leicester, for example, are still trying to sign Ulloa, so major business clearly ISN'T being done. I just hope they leave it too late....[/p][/quote]So, neither of us knows anything for a fact........ AlanDuffy
  • Score: -1

4:32pm Fri 20 Jun 14

gordongull says...

JeffLomer wrote:
gordongull wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.
Thank You Gordon I go to a lot off away games and his brother and mate are at a lot off games especially his mate, and heard Millwall are interested in him, not sure about the other club, but if we have invoked his extension then great to be honest, one thing i can tell you Gordon is that he does not get on with Jones, just passing on what i have been told!!
When asked by the Argus about the extension in February, LuaLua said it was up to the Club, and that he was happy and keen to stay.
Hopefully that is still the case, and if interest is only from other Championship teams he will not look for a move.
He and Jones will just have to get along if Sami wants him in the team. It isn't easy to get players who can scare defenders, and we already have enough team rebuilding to do.
[quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!![/p][/quote]The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.[/p][/quote]Thank You Gordon I go to a lot off away games and his brother and mate are at a lot off games especially his mate, and heard Millwall are interested in him, not sure about the other club, but if we have invoked his extension then great to be honest, one thing i can tell you Gordon is that he does not get on with Jones, just passing on what i have been told!![/p][/quote]When asked by the Argus about the extension in February, LuaLua said it was up to the Club, and that he was happy and keen to stay. Hopefully that is still the case, and if interest is only from other Championship teams he will not look for a move. He and Jones will just have to get along if Sami wants him in the team. It isn't easy to get players who can scare defenders, and we already have enough team rebuilding to do. gordongull
  • Score: 3

4:41pm Fri 20 Jun 14

OldGull says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
gordongull wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.
So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books.

Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.
Blimey an impersonation of the crocodile from Hook
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!![/p][/quote]The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.[/p][/quote]So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books. Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.[/p][/quote]Blimey an impersonation of the crocodile from Hook OldGull
  • Score: 1

4:42pm Fri 20 Jun 14

ringtone says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
VegasSeagull wrote:
The clock may be ticking but it's ticking on our schedule, one that the club knew they had to plan for and in deed did plan for.
Players may be moving around at other clubs and any of those that have gone to the prem would never have been coming to us. A lot of business has been carried out by clubs in the lower divisions, rarely would any of those dealings have much to do with us.
For those who think that we are missing out on quality signings, players we reasonable might have wanted and could have got, take a look at the BBC's daily list of completed transfers, I don't think you will see too many genuine missed chances.

As things stand today I don't think Sami knows who he wants to bring in, he might know of positions that need filling, but we all know some of those. Until he forms an opinion re the strengths and weaknesses of those still with the club, how can he possibly identify targets. All of the DS lads, and the remaining senior squad, need to get back to training, only then will Sami start to get a true idea of what he has to work with.
The club had not planned for the Gus fiasco,had not planned the OG ???.

Albion are now looking at players(agents) holding out and bottom of the barrel.

They might fit in if that is what BBB and last of all SH think is worth a (risk)
gamble.
The club caused the Gus Fiasco by agreeing to the Installation of the glass ceiling above the Amex.

Maybe Barber was able to argue the glass ceilings merits by claiming it would ensure the Albion would not lose any games to bad weather
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]VegasSeagull[/bold] wrote: The clock may be ticking but it's ticking on our schedule, one that the club knew they had to plan for and in deed did plan for. Players may be moving around at other clubs and any of those that have gone to the prem would never have been coming to us. A lot of business has been carried out by clubs in the lower divisions, rarely would any of those dealings have much to do with us. For those who think that we are missing out on quality signings, players we reasonable might have wanted and could have got, take a look at the BBC's daily list of completed transfers, I don't think you will see too many genuine missed chances. As things stand today I don't think Sami knows who he wants to bring in, he might know of positions that need filling, but we all know some of those. Until he forms an opinion re the strengths and weaknesses of those still with the club, how can he possibly identify targets. All of the DS lads, and the remaining senior squad, need to get back to training, only then will Sami start to get a true idea of what he has to work with.[/p][/quote]The club had not planned for the Gus fiasco,had not planned the OG ???. Albion are now looking at players(agents) holding out and bottom of the barrel. They might fit in if that is what BBB and last of all SH think is worth a (risk) gamble.[/p][/quote]The club caused the Gus Fiasco by agreeing to the Installation of the glass ceiling above the Amex. Maybe Barber was able to argue the glass ceilings merits by claiming it would ensure the Albion would not lose any games to bad weather ringtone
  • Score: 5

4:49pm Fri 20 Jun 14

ringtone says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
novascotiagull wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
What concerns me is that all this conjecture over players/systems etc should have been done weeks ago and by now we should be writing cheques and welcoming new players in. There's been no 'proper' signings only speculation about some Finnish players that may or may not be looked at. The new season is less than 2 months away, urgency is needed. It almost feels like the club is resigned to being happy with a mid table finish, we should be targeting promotion. It's all far far too quiet, hopefully the club will spring in to life before it's too late.
Did everyone not read the statement from this club and many others that said the players and most of the club staff are on vacation until 23 June. There has been no action because it was planned that way. Why do people want to invent problems where there are none.
Other clubs are doing business while the likes of the Burke brigade and the players sip sangria on a sunlounger or whatever. It sounds like Sami is chomping at the bit to go and sign up the players he knows are needed because he knows the urgency of the matter. Even on holiday the suits and the players can use phone or laptop to do business so there should be no problem. If you snooze you lose and it seems some at the Amex need waking up, we could be stealing a march on everybody else.
Stealing a Solly even.

Knees up mother brown
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]novascotiagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: What concerns me is that all this conjecture over players/systems etc should have been done weeks ago and by now we should be writing cheques and welcoming new players in. There's been no 'proper' signings only speculation about some Finnish players that may or may not be looked at. The new season is less than 2 months away, urgency is needed. It almost feels like the club is resigned to being happy with a mid table finish, we should be targeting promotion. It's all far far too quiet, hopefully the club will spring in to life before it's too late.[/p][/quote]Did everyone not read the statement from this club and many others that said the players and most of the club staff are on vacation until 23 June. There has been no action because it was planned that way. Why do people want to invent problems where there are none.[/p][/quote]Other clubs are doing business while the likes of the Burke brigade and the players sip sangria on a sunlounger or whatever. It sounds like Sami is chomping at the bit to go and sign up the players he knows are needed because he knows the urgency of the matter. Even on holiday the suits and the players can use phone or laptop to do business so there should be no problem. If you snooze you lose and it seems some at the Amex need waking up, we could be stealing a march on everybody else.[/p][/quote]Stealing a Solly even. Knees up mother brown ringtone
  • Score: 3

4:57pm Fri 20 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

OldGull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
gordongull wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.
So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books.

Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.
Blimey an impersonation of the crocodile from Hook
It is more Alice(Albion) in wonderland tea party "what time is it".
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!![/p][/quote]The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.[/p][/quote]So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books. Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.[/p][/quote]Blimey an impersonation of the crocodile from Hook[/p][/quote]It is more Alice(Albion) in wonderland tea party "what time is it". don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: -1

4:58pm Fri 20 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

OldGull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
gordongull wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.
So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books.

Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.
Blimey an impersonation of the crocodile from Hook
It is more Alice(Albion) in wonderland tea party "what time is it".
[quote][p][bold]OldGull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!![/p][/quote]The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.[/p][/quote]So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books. Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.[/p][/quote]Blimey an impersonation of the crocodile from Hook[/p][/quote]It is more Alice(Albion) in wonderland tea party "what time is it". don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 1

5:22pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
I don't know for a fact, so am open to correction, but it seems to me that Sami, on holiday in Finland, has given an interview to the Finnish press, sections of which are being drip-fed to us by the Argus ( as soon as they can get them translated! ). That being the case, I'm a little disappointed that the new manager is not in situ and working with the recruitment team on targets and a back-up team. My apologies if I'm wrong, but my reading is that the club's on holiday and nothing will happen till they come back. Meanwhile, Birmingham, for example, have signed 7 players, so there is business being done. Just hope we're not leaving it too late.
I don't know this for a fact either, but it seems to me he was sitting with his feet under a desk at The Amex, positively discussing plans for the new season.
Apologies for my mildly cynical response, but you have based your negative premise on complete supposition on your part.
One fact we can be sure of is that the whole club doesn't shut up and go on holiday at the same time and even if that were the case, mobile phones and computers would probably be part of their packing.
What we've had is a small series of pieces which outline some early basics of thinking. I's all probably come from the same conversation but that doesn't matter a jot. As with the selection of the manager himself, act in haste repent at leisure.
So... Back to my interpretation of your last sentence......
Meanwhile, Leicester, for example, are still trying to sign Ulloa, so major business clearly ISN'T being done. I just hope they leave it too late....
So, neither of us knows anything for a fact........
Pretty much. It's the mushroom effect which is what inspires most of the stuff on here!!!
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: I don't know for a fact, so am open to correction, but it seems to me that Sami, on holiday in Finland, has given an interview to the Finnish press, sections of which are being drip-fed to us by the Argus ( as soon as they can get them translated! ). That being the case, I'm a little disappointed that the new manager is not in situ and working with the recruitment team on targets and a back-up team. My apologies if I'm wrong, but my reading is that the club's on holiday and nothing will happen till they come back. Meanwhile, Birmingham, for example, have signed 7 players, so there is business being done. Just hope we're not leaving it too late.[/p][/quote]I don't know this for a fact either, but it seems to me he was sitting with his feet under a desk at The Amex, positively discussing plans for the new season. Apologies for my mildly cynical response, but you have based your negative premise on complete supposition on your part. One fact we can be sure of is that the whole club doesn't shut up and go on holiday at the same time and even if that were the case, mobile phones and computers would probably be part of their packing. What we've had is a small series of pieces which outline some early basics of thinking. I's all probably come from the same conversation but that doesn't matter a jot. As with the selection of the manager himself, act in haste repent at leisure. So... Back to my interpretation of your last sentence...... Meanwhile, Leicester, for example, are still trying to sign Ulloa, so major business clearly ISN'T being done. I just hope they leave it too late....[/p][/quote]So, neither of us knows anything for a fact........[/p][/quote]Pretty much. It's the mushroom effect which is what inspires most of the stuff on here!!! Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

5:26pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

gordongull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
gordongull wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.
So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books.

Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.
Vicente wasn't overjoyed after he was stitched up under similar circumstances.
Let's hope LuaLua wasn't told that he can leave if he wants to, prior to the extension being invoked.
Stitched up? You're talking about players who were happy to sign contracts with the clauses incorporated in the first place. The club is merely exercising it's right and protecting its interests. Nothing wrong in that.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!![/p][/quote]The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.[/p][/quote]So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books. Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.[/p][/quote]Vicente wasn't overjoyed after he was stitched up under similar circumstances. Let's hope LuaLua wasn't told that he can leave if he wants to, prior to the extension being invoked.[/p][/quote]Stitched up? You're talking about players who were happy to sign contracts with the clauses incorporated in the first place. The club is merely exercising it's right and protecting its interests. Nothing wrong in that. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: -3

5:27pm Fri 20 Jun 14

ringtone says...

AlanDuffy wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
AlanDuffy wrote:
I don't know for a fact, so am open to correction, but it seems to me that Sami, on holiday in Finland, has given an interview to the Finnish press, sections of which are being drip-fed to us by the Argus ( as soon as they can get them translated! ). That being the case, I'm a little disappointed that the new manager is not in situ and working with the recruitment team on targets and a back-up team. My apologies if I'm wrong, but my reading is that the club's on holiday and nothing will happen till they come back. Meanwhile, Birmingham, for example, have signed 7 players, so there is business being done. Just hope we're not leaving it too late.
I don't know this for a fact either, but it seems to me he was sitting with his feet under a desk at The Amex, positively discussing plans for the new season.
Apologies for my mildly cynical response, but you have based your negative premise on complete supposition on your part.
One fact we can be sure of is that the whole club doesn't shut up and go on holiday at the same time and even if that were the case, mobile phones and computers would probably be part of their packing.
What we've had is a small series of pieces which outline some early basics of thinking. I's all probably come from the same conversation but that doesn't matter a jot. As with the selection of the manager himself, act in haste repent at leisure.
So... Back to my interpretation of your last sentence......
Meanwhile, Leicester, for example, are still trying to sign Ulloa, so major business clearly ISN'T being done. I just hope they leave it too late....
So, neither of us knows anything for a fact........
True story
[quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AlanDuffy[/bold] wrote: I don't know for a fact, so am open to correction, but it seems to me that Sami, on holiday in Finland, has given an interview to the Finnish press, sections of which are being drip-fed to us by the Argus ( as soon as they can get them translated! ). That being the case, I'm a little disappointed that the new manager is not in situ and working with the recruitment team on targets and a back-up team. My apologies if I'm wrong, but my reading is that the club's on holiday and nothing will happen till they come back. Meanwhile, Birmingham, for example, have signed 7 players, so there is business being done. Just hope we're not leaving it too late.[/p][/quote]I don't know this for a fact either, but it seems to me he was sitting with his feet under a desk at The Amex, positively discussing plans for the new season. Apologies for my mildly cynical response, but you have based your negative premise on complete supposition on your part. One fact we can be sure of is that the whole club doesn't shut up and go on holiday at the same time and even if that were the case, mobile phones and computers would probably be part of their packing. What we've had is a small series of pieces which outline some early basics of thinking. I's all probably come from the same conversation but that doesn't matter a jot. As with the selection of the manager himself, act in haste repent at leisure. So... Back to my interpretation of your last sentence...... Meanwhile, Leicester, for example, are still trying to sign Ulloa, so major business clearly ISN'T being done. I just hope they leave it too late....[/p][/quote]So, neither of us knows anything for a fact........[/p][/quote]True story ringtone
  • Score: 1

5:36pm Fri 20 Jun 14

gordongull says...

A camel is a horse designed by a committee.
If Sami is given time to select the players that he knows he will need to play in his preferred system, we will get the required horse.
If, on the other hand, there is a scramble to acquire anything on two legs, we are going to find ourselves in a similar situation to last season.
To quote Sami, - ''“There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.''
Could that be anything other than a veiled reference to Oscar's relentless perseverance last season with a system entirely inappropriate to the players at his disposal?
Burke's discoveries will provide us with two players for each position, so that we start the season with a full squad of players. He and his scouting team have no doubt been working hard behind the scenes, but it is not going to be their team, and they have no real idea who will fit into Sami's 'default system'.
If Sami is to be given the best chance of success, he needs to be the one selecting players that are right for how he wants to play.
Otherwise we are going to be riding into next season on a camel.
A camel is a horse designed by a committee. If Sami is given time to select the players that he knows he will need to play in his preferred system, we will get the required horse. If, on the other hand, there is a scramble to acquire anything on two legs, we are going to find ourselves in a similar situation to last season. To quote Sami, - ''“There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.'' Could that be anything other than a veiled reference to Oscar's relentless perseverance last season with a system entirely inappropriate to the players at his disposal? Burke's discoveries will provide us with two players for each position, so that we start the season with a full squad of players. He and his scouting team have no doubt been working hard behind the scenes, but it is not going to be their team, and they have no real idea who will fit into Sami's 'default system'. If Sami is to be given the best chance of success, he needs to be the one selecting players that are right for how he wants to play. Otherwise we are going to be riding into next season on a camel. gordongull
  • Score: 3

5:53pm Fri 20 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
gordongull wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.
So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books.

Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.
Vicente wasn't overjoyed after he was stitched up under similar circumstances.
Let's hope LuaLua wasn't told that he can leave if he wants to, prior to the extension being invoked.
Stitched up? You're talking about players who were happy to sign contracts with the clauses incorporated in the first place. The club is merely exercising it's right and protecting its interests. Nothing wrong in that.
In April 2012, Gus told the Argus, "I am not going to use any options if he doesn't want to stay, because he's too good and because maybe he deserves to be playing at a better level.''
In June 2012, Poyet said: “We were trying to negotiate a new contract and unfortunately we couldn’t agree so we needed to activate the option. That is common sense.
If that is not a case of being stitched up, I don't know what is!
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!![/p][/quote]The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.[/p][/quote]So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books. Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.[/p][/quote]Vicente wasn't overjoyed after he was stitched up under similar circumstances. Let's hope LuaLua wasn't told that he can leave if he wants to, prior to the extension being invoked.[/p][/quote]Stitched up? You're talking about players who were happy to sign contracts with the clauses incorporated in the first place. The club is merely exercising it's right and protecting its interests. Nothing wrong in that.[/p][/quote]In April 2012, Gus told the Argus, "I am not going to use any options if he doesn't want to stay, because he's too good and because maybe he deserves to be playing at a better level.'' In June 2012, Poyet said: “We were trying to negotiate a new contract and unfortunately we couldn’t agree so we needed to activate the option. That is common sense. If that is not a case of being stitched up, I don't know what is! gordongull
  • Score: 2

5:54pm Fri 20 Jun 14

don't wanna do it like that says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
gordongull wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.
So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books.

Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.
Vicente wasn't overjoyed after he was stitched up under similar circumstances.
Let's hope LuaLua wasn't told that he can leave if he wants to, prior to the extension being invoked.
Stitched up? You're talking about players who were happy to sign contracts with the clauses incorporated in the first place. The club is merely exercising it's right and protecting its interests. Nothing wrong in that.
Not stitched up font on the contract to small,agent just wanting his cut.
Do Albion any club want a player who is not happy.

A.I.S it is no way round money talks.

There are no more NORMAN GALL'S loyal whatever you want to call it.
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!![/p][/quote]The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.[/p][/quote]So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books. Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.[/p][/quote]Vicente wasn't overjoyed after he was stitched up under similar circumstances. Let's hope LuaLua wasn't told that he can leave if he wants to, prior to the extension being invoked.[/p][/quote]Stitched up? You're talking about players who were happy to sign contracts with the clauses incorporated in the first place. The club is merely exercising it's right and protecting its interests. Nothing wrong in that.[/p][/quote]Not stitched up font on the contract to small,agent just wanting his cut. Do Albion any club want a player who is not happy. A.I.S it is no way round money talks. There are no more NORMAN GALL'S loyal whatever you want to call it. don't wanna do it like that
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

gordongull wrote:
A camel is a horse designed by a committee.
If Sami is given time to select the players that he knows he will need to play in his preferred system, we will get the required horse.
If, on the other hand, there is a scramble to acquire anything on two legs, we are going to find ourselves in a similar situation to last season.
To quote Sami, - ''“There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.''
Could that be anything other than a veiled reference to Oscar's relentless perseverance last season with a system entirely inappropriate to the players at his disposal?
Burke's discoveries will provide us with two players for each position, so that we start the season with a full squad of players. He and his scouting team have no doubt been working hard behind the scenes, but it is not going to be their team, and they have no real idea who will fit into Sami's 'default system'.
If Sami is to be given the best chance of success, he needs to be the one selecting players that are right for how he wants to play.
Otherwise we are going to be riding into next season on a camel.
Brilliant post; in my view.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: A camel is a horse designed by a committee. If Sami is given time to select the players that he knows he will need to play in his preferred system, we will get the required horse. If, on the other hand, there is a scramble to acquire anything on two legs, we are going to find ourselves in a similar situation to last season. To quote Sami, - ''“There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.'' Could that be anything other than a veiled reference to Oscar's relentless perseverance last season with a system entirely inappropriate to the players at his disposal? Burke's discoveries will provide us with two players for each position, so that we start the season with a full squad of players. He and his scouting team have no doubt been working hard behind the scenes, but it is not going to be their team, and they have no real idea who will fit into Sami's 'default system'. If Sami is to be given the best chance of success, he needs to be the one selecting players that are right for how he wants to play. Otherwise we are going to be riding into next season on a camel.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post; in my view. Claude Back
  • Score: 0

6:35pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

gordongull wrote:
A camel is a horse designed by a committee.
If Sami is given time to select the players that he knows he will need to play in his preferred system, we will get the required horse.
If, on the other hand, there is a scramble to acquire anything on two legs, we are going to find ourselves in a similar situation to last season.
To quote Sami, - ''“There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.''
Could that be anything other than a veiled reference to Oscar's relentless perseverance last season with a system entirely inappropriate to the players at his disposal?
Burke's discoveries will provide us with two players for each position, so that we start the season with a full squad of players. He and his scouting team have no doubt been working hard behind the scenes, but it is not going to be their team, and they have no real idea who will fit into Sami's 'default system'.
If Sami is to be given the best chance of success, he needs to be the one selecting players that are right for how he wants to play.
Otherwise we are going to be riding into next season on a camel.
Brilliant post; in my view.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: A camel is a horse designed by a committee. If Sami is given time to select the players that he knows he will need to play in his preferred system, we will get the required horse. If, on the other hand, there is a scramble to acquire anything on two legs, we are going to find ourselves in a similar situation to last season. To quote Sami, - ''“There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.'' Could that be anything other than a veiled reference to Oscar's relentless perseverance last season with a system entirely inappropriate to the players at his disposal? Burke's discoveries will provide us with two players for each position, so that we start the season with a full squad of players. He and his scouting team have no doubt been working hard behind the scenes, but it is not going to be their team, and they have no real idea who will fit into Sami's 'default system'. If Sami is to be given the best chance of success, he needs to be the one selecting players that are right for how he wants to play. Otherwise we are going to be riding into next season on a camel.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post; in my view. Claude Back
  • Score: 0

6:38pm Fri 20 Jun 14

ringtone says...

Claude Back wrote:
gordongull wrote:
A camel is a horse designed by a committee.
If Sami is given time to select the players that he knows he will need to play in his preferred system, we will get the required horse.
If, on the other hand, there is a scramble to acquire anything on two legs, we are going to find ourselves in a similar situation to last season.
To quote Sami, - ''“There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.''
Could that be anything other than a veiled reference to Oscar's relentless perseverance last season with a system entirely inappropriate to the players at his disposal?
Burke's discoveries will provide us with two players for each position, so that we start the season with a full squad of players. He and his scouting team have no doubt been working hard behind the scenes, but it is not going to be their team, and they have no real idea who will fit into Sami's 'default system'.
If Sami is to be given the best chance of success, he needs to be the one selecting players that are right for how he wants to play.
Otherwise we are going to be riding into next season on a camel.
Brilliant post; in my view.
So good you posted twice
[quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: A camel is a horse designed by a committee. If Sami is given time to select the players that he knows he will need to play in his preferred system, we will get the required horse. If, on the other hand, there is a scramble to acquire anything on two legs, we are going to find ourselves in a similar situation to last season. To quote Sami, - ''“There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.'' Could that be anything other than a veiled reference to Oscar's relentless perseverance last season with a system entirely inappropriate to the players at his disposal? Burke's discoveries will provide us with two players for each position, so that we start the season with a full squad of players. He and his scouting team have no doubt been working hard behind the scenes, but it is not going to be their team, and they have no real idea who will fit into Sami's 'default system'. If Sami is to be given the best chance of success, he needs to be the one selecting players that are right for how he wants to play. Otherwise we are going to be riding into next season on a camel.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post; in my view.[/p][/quote]So good you posted twice ringtone
  • Score: -1

6:46pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Claude Back says...

ringtone wrote:
Claude Back wrote:
gordongull wrote:
A camel is a horse designed by a committee.
If Sami is given time to select the players that he knows he will need to play in his preferred system, we will get the required horse.
If, on the other hand, there is a scramble to acquire anything on two legs, we are going to find ourselves in a similar situation to last season.
To quote Sami, - ''“There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.''
Could that be anything other than a veiled reference to Oscar's relentless perseverance last season with a system entirely inappropriate to the players at his disposal?
Burke's discoveries will provide us with two players for each position, so that we start the season with a full squad of players. He and his scouting team have no doubt been working hard behind the scenes, but it is not going to be their team, and they have no real idea who will fit into Sami's 'default system'.
If Sami is to be given the best chance of success, he needs to be the one selecting players that are right for how he wants to play.
Otherwise we are going to be riding into next season on a camel.
Brilliant post; in my view.
So good you posted twice
Sorry about that. Phone went on the blink. X2. :-)
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claude Back[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: A camel is a horse designed by a committee. If Sami is given time to select the players that he knows he will need to play in his preferred system, we will get the required horse. If, on the other hand, there is a scramble to acquire anything on two legs, we are going to find ourselves in a similar situation to last season. To quote Sami, - ''“There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.'' Could that be anything other than a veiled reference to Oscar's relentless perseverance last season with a system entirely inappropriate to the players at his disposal? Burke's discoveries will provide us with two players for each position, so that we start the season with a full squad of players. He and his scouting team have no doubt been working hard behind the scenes, but it is not going to be their team, and they have no real idea who will fit into Sami's 'default system'. If Sami is to be given the best chance of success, he needs to be the one selecting players that are right for how he wants to play. Otherwise we are going to be riding into next season on a camel.[/p][/quote]Brilliant post; in my view.[/p][/quote]So good you posted twice[/p][/quote]Sorry about that. Phone went on the blink. X2. :-) Claude Back
  • Score: 0

6:58pm Fri 20 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Praise indeed from our resident philosopher and sardonic wit!
Praise indeed from our resident philosopher and sardonic wit! gordongull
  • Score: -1

7:22pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Mayfield sweeper says...

If the exit of the national side is anything to go by we need to steer clear of British players and managers, maybe bloom is onto something by going for a succession of foreign managers. If you want success then don't buy British! Suspect the supermarkets will be selling out of eggs in readiness of the England teams return home.
If the exit of the national side is anything to go by we need to steer clear of British players and managers, maybe bloom is onto something by going for a succession of foreign managers. If you want success then don't buy British! Suspect the supermarkets will be selling out of eggs in readiness of the England teams return home. Mayfield sweeper
  • Score: -2

10:44pm Fri 20 Jun 14

Seagull John says...

gordongull wrote:
A camel is a horse designed by a committee.
If Sami is given time to select the players that he knows he will need to play in his preferred system, we will get the required horse.
If, on the other hand, there is a scramble to acquire anything on two legs, we are going to find ourselves in a similar situation to last season.
To quote Sami, - ''“There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.''
Could that be anything other than a veiled reference to Oscar's relentless perseverance last season with a system entirely inappropriate to the players at his disposal?
Burke's discoveries will provide us with two players for each position, so that we start the season with a full squad of players. He and his scouting team have no doubt been working hard behind the scenes, but it is not going to be their team, and they have no real idea who will fit into Sami's 'default system'.
If Sami is to be given the best chance of success, he needs to be the one selecting players that are right for how he wants to play.
Otherwise we are going to be riding into next season on a camel.
A system so inappropriate we reached the playoffs?
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: A camel is a horse designed by a committee. If Sami is given time to select the players that he knows he will need to play in his preferred system, we will get the required horse. If, on the other hand, there is a scramble to acquire anything on two legs, we are going to find ourselves in a similar situation to last season. To quote Sami, - ''“There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.'' Could that be anything other than a veiled reference to Oscar's relentless perseverance last season with a system entirely inappropriate to the players at his disposal? Burke's discoveries will provide us with two players for each position, so that we start the season with a full squad of players. He and his scouting team have no doubt been working hard behind the scenes, but it is not going to be their team, and they have no real idea who will fit into Sami's 'default system'. If Sami is to be given the best chance of success, he needs to be the one selecting players that are right for how he wants to play. Otherwise we are going to be riding into next season on a camel.[/p][/quote]A system so inappropriate we reached the playoffs? Seagull John
  • Score: 2

6:46am Sat 21 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

gordongull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
gordongull wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.
So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books.

Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.
Vicente wasn't overjoyed after he was stitched up under similar circumstances.
Let's hope LuaLua wasn't told that he can leave if he wants to, prior to the extension being invoked.
Stitched up? You're talking about players who were happy to sign contracts with the clauses incorporated in the first place. The club is merely exercising it's right and protecting its interests. Nothing wrong in that.
In April 2012, Gus told the Argus, "I am not going to use any options if he doesn't want to stay, because he's too good and because maybe he deserves to be playing at a better level.''
In June 2012, Poyet said: “We were trying to negotiate a new contract and unfortunately we couldn’t agree so we needed to activate the option. That is common sense.
If that is not a case of being stitched up, I don't know what is!
You're talking about two different scenarios. Your first quote from Gus confirms a decision which was made. i.e. the club decided not to exercise their option.
Your second Gus quote confirms the club tried to offer a NEW contract which wasn't accepted. So they merely exercised the existing option on the current one. More fool the player in that case. He signed it.
That is NOT being stitched up, it's a club adopting an option all parties signed up to. Players can't change their mind when it suits. They CAN request to leave, at which point the club decides what to do, but in the case that inspired this debate, just because a club decides to exercise an option, doesn't automatically reflect a layer is unhappy.
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!![/p][/quote]The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.[/p][/quote]So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books. Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.[/p][/quote]Vicente wasn't overjoyed after he was stitched up under similar circumstances. Let's hope LuaLua wasn't told that he can leave if he wants to, prior to the extension being invoked.[/p][/quote]Stitched up? You're talking about players who were happy to sign contracts with the clauses incorporated in the first place. The club is merely exercising it's right and protecting its interests. Nothing wrong in that.[/p][/quote]In April 2012, Gus told the Argus, "I am not going to use any options if he doesn't want to stay, because he's too good and because maybe he deserves to be playing at a better level.'' In June 2012, Poyet said: “We were trying to negotiate a new contract and unfortunately we couldn’t agree so we needed to activate the option. That is common sense. If that is not a case of being stitched up, I don't know what is![/p][/quote]You're talking about two different scenarios. Your first quote from Gus confirms a decision which was made. i.e. the club decided not to exercise their option. Your second Gus quote confirms the club tried to offer a NEW contract which wasn't accepted. So they merely exercised the existing option on the current one. More fool the player in that case. He signed it. That is NOT being stitched up, it's a club adopting an option all parties signed up to. Players can't change their mind when it suits. They CAN request to leave, at which point the club decides what to do, but in the case that inspired this debate, just because a club decides to exercise an option, doesn't automatically reflect a layer is unhappy. Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 0

6:51am Sat 21 Jun 14

Albion In Staffs says...

don't wanna do it like that wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
gordongull wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.
So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books.

Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.
Vicente wasn't overjoyed after he was stitched up under similar circumstances.
Let's hope LuaLua wasn't told that he can leave if he wants to, prior to the extension being invoked.
Stitched up? You're talking about players who were happy to sign contracts with the clauses incorporated in the first place. The club is merely exercising it's right and protecting its interests. Nothing wrong in that.
Not stitched up font on the contract to small,agent just wanting his cut.
Do Albion any club want a player who is not happy.

A.I.S it is no way round money talks.

There are no more NORMAN GALL'S loyal whatever you want to call it.
Of course money talks, but in exercising an option, the club can dispense with an unhappy player on THEIR terms. If you don't do that and let a contract run out, the player walks for nothing.
I'm sure none of us would want a million pound player to walk free and onto his next pay day because the club didn't do it's job...
[quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!![/p][/quote]The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.[/p][/quote]So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books. Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.[/p][/quote]Vicente wasn't overjoyed after he was stitched up under similar circumstances. Let's hope LuaLua wasn't told that he can leave if he wants to, prior to the extension being invoked.[/p][/quote]Stitched up? You're talking about players who were happy to sign contracts with the clauses incorporated in the first place. The club is merely exercising it's right and protecting its interests. Nothing wrong in that.[/p][/quote]Not stitched up font on the contract to small,agent just wanting his cut. Do Albion any club want a player who is not happy. A.I.S it is no way round money talks. There are no more NORMAN GALL'S loyal whatever you want to call it.[/p][/quote]Of course money talks, but in exercising an option, the club can dispense with an unhappy player on THEIR terms. If you don't do that and let a contract run out, the player walks for nothing. I'm sure none of us would want a million pound player to walk free and onto his next pay day because the club didn't do it's job... Albion In Staffs
  • Score: 2

11:14am Sat 21 Jun 14

pte says...

gordongull wrote:
A camel is a horse designed by a committee.
If Sami is given time to select the players that he knows he will need to play in his preferred system, we will get the required horse.
If, on the other hand, there is a scramble to acquire anything on two legs, we are going to find ourselves in a similar situation to last season.
To quote Sami, - ''“There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.''
Could that be anything other than a veiled reference to Oscar's relentless perseverance last season with a system entirely inappropriate to the players at his disposal?
Burke's discoveries will provide us with two players for each position, so that we start the season with a full squad of players. He and his scouting team have no doubt been working hard behind the scenes, but it is not going to be their team, and they have no real idea who will fit into Sami's 'default system'.
If Sami is to be given the best chance of success, he needs to be the one selecting players that are right for how he wants to play.
Otherwise we are going to be riding into next season on a camel.
Sami should have the ultimate say but I think there has to be checks and balances within a club so that no one individual can single handedly bankrupt a club. If you make player recruitment the sole perogative of the manager he can take bungs from agents to take dud. This has happened in the past

If a manager has a player in mind, possibly suggested by an agent its only right the club as a whole, checks the player out. All they are doing is ensuring the chairman's money in the club is not frittered away. The chairman usually doesn't have much footballing knowledge himself so appoints a DOF to do the checks for him. After all the average tenure of most Championship managers is less than a year so how can you entrust decisions about the long term financial future to one man (the manager) who may be here today and gone tomorrow?

So the DOF can't be a yes man for the manager since he is working for the chairman. Actually the DOF has identified some very good players only for the deals to be scuppered by finance. We have then been forced to scrape the barrel with Obika but that was probably a cheap deal anyway. The only seriously expensive dud was Augustin.

But of course Sami should have a veto. The only case where the manager does not have a veto is when he has lost the confidence of the club and is due for the sack
[quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: A camel is a horse designed by a committee. If Sami is given time to select the players that he knows he will need to play in his preferred system, we will get the required horse. If, on the other hand, there is a scramble to acquire anything on two legs, we are going to find ourselves in a similar situation to last season. To quote Sami, - ''“There are coaches and managers who have one idea, no matter what type of squad they have.'' Could that be anything other than a veiled reference to Oscar's relentless perseverance last season with a system entirely inappropriate to the players at his disposal? Burke's discoveries will provide us with two players for each position, so that we start the season with a full squad of players. He and his scouting team have no doubt been working hard behind the scenes, but it is not going to be their team, and they have no real idea who will fit into Sami's 'default system'. If Sami is to be given the best chance of success, he needs to be the one selecting players that are right for how he wants to play. Otherwise we are going to be riding into next season on a camel.[/p][/quote]Sami should have the ultimate say but I think there has to be checks and balances within a club so that no one individual can single handedly bankrupt a club. If you make player recruitment the sole perogative of the manager he can take bungs from agents to take dud. This has happened in the past If a manager has a player in mind, possibly suggested by an agent its only right the club as a whole, checks the player out. All they are doing is ensuring the chairman's money in the club is not frittered away. The chairman usually doesn't have much footballing knowledge himself so appoints a DOF to do the checks for him. After all the average tenure of most Championship managers is less than a year so how can you entrust decisions about the long term financial future to one man (the manager) who may be here today and gone tomorrow? So the DOF can't be a yes man for the manager since he is working for the chairman. Actually the DOF has identified some very good players only for the deals to be scuppered by finance. We have then been forced to scrape the barrel with Obika but that was probably a cheap deal anyway. The only seriously expensive dud was Augustin. But of course Sami should have a veto. The only case where the manager does not have a veto is when he has lost the confidence of the club and is due for the sack pte
  • Score: 1

6:41pm Sat 21 Jun 14

gordongull says...

Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
Albion In Staffs wrote:
gordongull wrote:
don't wanna do it like that wrote:
gordongull wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!!
The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.
So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books.

Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.
Vicente wasn't overjoyed after he was stitched up under similar circumstances.
Let's hope LuaLua wasn't told that he can leave if he wants to, prior to the extension being invoked.
Stitched up? You're talking about players who were happy to sign contracts with the clauses incorporated in the first place. The club is merely exercising it's right and protecting its interests. Nothing wrong in that.
In April 2012, Gus told the Argus, "I am not going to use any options if he doesn't want to stay, because he's too good and because maybe he deserves to be playing at a better level.''
In June 2012, Poyet said: “We were trying to negotiate a new contract and unfortunately we couldn’t agree so we needed to activate the option. That is common sense.
If that is not a case of being stitched up, I don't know what is!
You're talking about two different scenarios. Your first quote from Gus confirms a decision which was made. i.e. the club decided not to exercise their option.
Your second Gus quote confirms the club tried to offer a NEW contract which wasn't accepted. So they merely exercised the existing option on the current one. More fool the player in that case. He signed it.
That is NOT being stitched up, it's a club adopting an option all parties signed up to. Players can't change their mind when it suits. They CAN request to leave, at which point the club decides what to do, but in the case that inspired this debate, just because a club decides to exercise an option, doesn't automatically reflect a layer is unhappy.
''I am not going to use any options if he doesn't want to stay.''
That looks unequivocal to me..
[quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Albion In Staffs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]don't wanna do it like that[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordongull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Is Lua Lua leaving i have heard he is talking to a couple off championship clubs, I thought we had a option to activate one more year, is he allowed to talk to other clubs if we do activate the extra year, i am not sure that is why i am asking!![/p][/quote]The Club have invoked LuaLua's contract extension, Jeff, so his status is the same as any other player who is under contract.[/p][/quote]So whe might be having amother unhappy player on the books. Sorry to be boring but tick tock tick tock.[/p][/quote]Vicente wasn't overjoyed after he was stitched up under similar circumstances. Let's hope LuaLua wasn't told that he can leave if he wants to, prior to the extension being invoked.[/p][/quote]Stitched up? You're talking about players who were happy to sign contracts with the clauses incorporated in the first place. The club is merely exercising it's right and protecting its interests. Nothing wrong in that.[/p][/quote]In April 2012, Gus told the Argus, "I am not going to use any options if he doesn't want to stay, because he's too good and because maybe he deserves to be playing at a better level.'' In June 2012, Poyet said: “We were trying to negotiate a new contract and unfortunately we couldn’t agree so we needed to activate the option. That is common sense. If that is not a case of being stitched up, I don't know what is![/p][/quote]You're talking about two different scenarios. Your first quote from Gus confirms a decision which was made. i.e. the club decided not to exercise their option. Your second Gus quote confirms the club tried to offer a NEW contract which wasn't accepted. So they merely exercised the existing option on the current one. More fool the player in that case. He signed it. That is NOT being stitched up, it's a club adopting an option all parties signed up to. Players can't change their mind when it suits. They CAN request to leave, at which point the club decides what to do, but in the case that inspired this debate, just because a club decides to exercise an option, doesn't automatically reflect a layer is unhappy.[/p][/quote]''I am not going to use any options if he doesn't want to stay.'' That looks unequivocal to me.. gordongull
  • Score: 2

10:37am Sun 22 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

ringtone wrote:
pablobrowno wrote:
JeffLomer wrote:
Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player,
Up the Albion!!
Chris Woods is working as a goalkeeping coach now. I just don't see him cutting the mustard up front for us. We need to aim for younger players (younger than 50 odd) who are still actively playing, not ones who've been retired for many years.
Pathetic.
The first step to curing yourself of a problem is to recognise it and face it head on. Jolly well done.
[quote][p][bold]ringtone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pablobrowno[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffLomer[/bold] wrote: Morning not sure need a plan b at the moment, what we do need is a striker or two who will contribute scoring 20 plus goals, as we never scored no where enough goals, I think at least two strikers to cover for injuries, I would like Chris Woods, becchio, or the lad from Yeovil Hoskins very good player, Up the Albion!![/p][/quote]Chris Woods is working as a goalkeeping coach now. I just don't see him cutting the mustard up front for us. We need to aim for younger players (younger than 50 odd) who are still actively playing, not ones who've been retired for many years.[/p][/quote]Pathetic.[/p][/quote]The first step to curing yourself of a problem is to recognise it and face it head on. Jolly well done. Captain Haddock
  • Score: 2

1:09pm Sun 22 Jun 14

Captain Haddock says...

Mayfield sweeper wrote:
What concerns me is that all this conjecture over players/systems etc should have been done weeks ago and by now we should be writing cheques and welcoming new players in. There's been no 'proper' signings only speculation about some Finnish players that may or may not be looked at. The new season is less than 2 months away, urgency is needed. It almost feels like the club is resigned to being happy with a mid table finish, we should be targeting promotion. It's all far far too quiet, hopefully the club will spring in to life before it's too late.
Far, far too quiet = not telling you. Doesn't = club are sitting on their backsides watching the sailing boats bob up and down on the shimmering afternoon waves!
[quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: What concerns me is that all this conjecture over players/systems etc should have been done weeks ago and by now we should be writing cheques and welcoming new players in. There's been no 'proper' signings only speculation about some Finnish players that may or may not be looked at. The new season is less than 2 months away, urgency is needed. It almost feels like the club is resigned to being happy with a mid table finish, we should be targeting promotion. It's all far far too quiet, hopefully the club will spring in to life before it's too late.[/p][/quote]Far, far too quiet = not telling you. Doesn't = club are sitting on their backsides watching the sailing boats bob up and down on the shimmering afternoon waves! Captain Haddock
  • Score: 1

2:13pm Sun 22 Jun 14

VegasSeagull says...

Captain Haddock wrote:
Mayfield sweeper wrote:
What concerns me is that all this conjecture over players/systems etc should have been done weeks ago and by now we should be writing cheques and welcoming new players in. There's been no 'proper' signings only speculation about some Finnish players that may or may not be looked at. The new season is less than 2 months away, urgency is needed. It almost feels like the club is resigned to being happy with a mid table finish, we should be targeting promotion. It's all far far too quiet, hopefully the club will spring in to life before it's too late.
Far, far too quiet = not telling you. Doesn't = club are sitting on their backsides watching the sailing boats bob up and down on the shimmering afternoon waves!
You don't know what you need until you know what you have, once known, the list is drawn up in order of priority and then you get down to the serious work of bringing in new players.
Hyypia's assessment of the retained players is pivitol to his plans, he must get it right, and getting it right requires him work with the players on the park. With the first few days of pre-season training being all about conditioning, it is unlikely that he will make snap decisions.
Sami says we need another keeper, well we do, but is that a first, second or third choice keeper, a couple of weeks on the training field should answer that.

Signing Ward seems like a no brainer, but what if we can't get him? Is Chicksen good enough, Maksi as his backup, does Sami need to look elsewhere if we can't get Ward and if he does, could that mean that Maksi or Chicksen goes, the assessment has to be right.

Bruno and Calde would seem to have the right back position covered, and here I could be wrong but, don't both of these guys have to renew their contracts? Chances are that both will renew, but what if one or both don't, does this change the list of priorities for Sami?

There are questions running thru the whole squad. Will Leo go, can we rely on Buckley being fit and available will Crofts be ready to start the season, will Kemmy do the work required to claim a starting spot and will Kaz sign a new deal. Until Hyypia has some answers I think it would be wise to hold back from spending, we don't have money to waste.

In an ideal world we would have all our players signed up and ready for pre-season, but this is football and football doesn't operate in an ideal world. The last few days of the window could be crazy for us, especially if some fool slaps 8 to 10 million cash on the table for Ulloa.
[quote][p][bold]Captain Haddock[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mayfield sweeper[/bold] wrote: What concerns me is that all this conjecture over players/systems etc should have been done weeks ago and by now we should be writing cheques and welcoming new players in. There's been no 'proper' signings only speculation about some Finnish players that may or may not be looked at. The new season is less than 2 months away, urgency is needed. It almost feels like the club is resigned to being happy with a mid table finish, we should be targeting promotion. It's all far far too quiet, hopefully the club will spring in to life before it's too late.[/p][/quote]Far, far too quiet = not telling you. Doesn't = club are sitting on their backsides watching the sailing boats bob up and down on the shimmering afternoon waves![/p][/quote]You don't know what you need until you know what you have, once known, the list is drawn up in order of priority and then you get down to the serious work of bringing in new players. Hyypia's assessment of the retained players is pivitol to his plans, he must get it right, and getting it right requires him work with the players on the park. With the first few days of pre-season training being all about conditioning, it is unlikely that he will make snap decisions. Sami says we need another keeper, well we do, but is that a first, second or third choice keeper, a couple of weeks on the training field should answer that. Signing Ward seems like a no brainer, but what if we can't get him? Is Chicksen good enough, Maksi as his backup, does Sami need to look elsewhere if we can't get Ward and if he does, could that mean that Maksi or Chicksen goes, the assessment has to be right. Bruno and Calde would seem to have the right back position covered, and here I could be wrong but, don't both of these guys have to renew their contracts? Chances are that both will renew, but what if one or both don't, does this change the list of priorities for Sami? There are questions running thru the whole squad. Will Leo go, can we rely on Buckley being fit and available will Crofts be ready to start the season, will Kemmy do the work required to claim a starting spot and will Kaz sign a new deal. Until Hyypia has some answers I think it would be wise to hold back from spending, we don't have money to waste. In an ideal world we would have all our players signed up and ready for pre-season, but this is football and football doesn't operate in an ideal world. The last few days of the window could be crazy for us, especially if some fool slaps 8 to 10 million cash on the table for Ulloa. VegasSeagull
  • Score: 4

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