Forster frozen out (From The Argus)

what fozzie was obviously Elabd getting a deal! lets be honest, we will need fozzie if we go down, and we will need fozzie if we stay up.. i also see his step son was not playing for the youth saturday, move for them both now looks likely.. what i dont get is why give elabd a deal, i cant see him getting a start now paynter and the spaniard are here.

mark by the sea wrote:
what fozzie was obviously Elabd getting a deal! lets be honest, we will need fozzie if we go down, and we will need fozzie if we stay up.. i also see his step son was not playing for the youth saturday, move for them both now looks likely.. what i dont get is why give elabd a deal, i cant see him getting a start now paynter and the spaniard are here.

Its because Poyet clearly rates him and likes him as a player. I agree that Forster deserves and deal but to hang out his dirty laundry via Sky Sports lacks class in my opinion.

I still hope things are resolved and I would like to get contracts resolved sooner but we do not know which division we will be in next year. We can't commit to League 1 contracts if we are in League 2.

It is becoming abundantly clear that Nicky Forster does believe he is the most important member of the squad ....
It is also quite clear that he has thrown his dummy out and made the whole action public, going behind GP's and the clubs' backs ....
These are not the actions of the articulate and academic member of the squad we all believed in. These are the actions of a rather petulant and pompous person who believes that he is more important than the club and other players ....
Yes, he has played exceptionally well for the team, but he is not bigger than the team, and it is not his God given right to make demands on the Manager with reference to a new contract.
Gus Poyet is the Albion Manager, not Nicky Forster, and I now hope that a hard line is taken over the issue, even if it means the latter never playing for the team again ....
The team position in the league is perilous enough without someone trying to rock the boat and turn perilous into relegation ....
I am 100% with GP and what he is trying to achieve. All these calls for giving NF a contract after his very selfish actions, are ridiculous in the extreme. He is not the guy I thought he was, and the club may well be better off without him.

I would like to hear Nicky's side of the story before passing comment. The statements we have been fed are lacking cohesion and continuity and are mostly assumptions. Innocent until proven guilty in my court.

I should have added that I am not having a dig at anyone, merely that you cannot trust what you read in the papers.

claude back....well said bring on the forster.

Claude Back wrote:
I would like to hear Nicky's side of the story before passing comment. The statements we have been fed are lacking cohesion and continuity and are mostly assumptions. Innocent until proven guilty in my court.

I understand .... but the fact is that Nicky Forster went public through Sky Sports News, with his interpretation of GP's stance. This was without the prior knowledge of the club or the Manager ....
It makes whatever he actually said as irrelevant, because it was quite clear that he wanted a new contract. No, it was quite clear that he was demanding a new contract, otherwise he would have been on the bus to the Orient match.
Gus Poyet is the Manager, Gus Poyet decides who stays and who goes from the squad.

MKWirral wrote:

Claude Back wrote: I would like to hear Nicky's side of the story before passing comment. The statements we have been fed are lacking cohesion and continuity and are mostly assumptions. Innocent until proven guilty in my court.

I understand .... but the fact is that Nicky Forster went public through Sky Sports News, with his interpretation of GP's stance. This was without the prior knowledge of the club or the Manager .... It makes whatever he actually said as irrelevant, because it was quite clear that he wanted a new contract. No, it was quite clear that he was demanding a new contract, otherwise he would have been on the bus to the Orient match. Gus Poyet is the Manager, Gus Poyet decides who stays and who goes from the squad.

but lets assume, forster was told before xmas that contracts would be sorted for ALL players end of season, i dont think there would be a problem, had forster demanded a contract, dont you think he would have done so on the first of jan? after all he was allowed to sign for another club in jan, what i wonder is did forster read the argus thursday? saying elabd was given a new contract? he then storms into gus and asks why is there a rule for one, and not him? i can see both sides of this , but to take what the argus prints as true would be a mistake.. on another point.. would you keep gus for next season if we go down?

mk wirral, i just read your remarks regarding elabd getting a new deal last thursday... from what you say, you were expecting others to follow elabd on receiving a new deal?

mark by the sea wrote:

MKWirral wrote:

Claude Back wrote: I would like to hear Nicky's side of the story before passing comment. The statements we have been fed are lacking cohesion and continuity and are mostly assumptions. Innocent until proven guilty in my court.

I understand .... but the fact is that Nicky Forster went public through Sky Sports News, with his interpretation of GP's stance. This was without the prior knowledge of the club or the Manager .... It makes whatever he actually said as irrelevant, because it was quite clear that he wanted a new contract. No, it was quite clear that he was demanding a new contract, otherwise he would have been on the bus to the Orient match. Gus Poyet is the Manager, Gus Poyet decides who stays and who goes from the squad.

but lets assume, forster was told before xmas that contracts would be sorted for ALL players end of season, i dont think there would be a problem, had forster demanded a contract, dont you think he would have done so on the first of jan? after all he was allowed to sign for another club in jan, what i wonder is did forster read the argus thursday? saying elabd was given a new contract? he then storms into gus and asks why is there a rule for one, and not him? i can see both sides of this , but to take what the argus prints as true would be a mistake.. on another point.. would you keep gus for next season if we go down?

On the matter of contracts Mark, it is entirely up to the Manager to sort that aspect out ....
El-Abd was awarded for his effort and endeavour with a contract until the end of next season ....
Forster can read what he likes about AE receiving his award, it is how he handles himself as a result that matters, as it is for all the others who will be awaiting their own fates in the summer ....
Are you saying that it is right for anyone to storm into the Manager and make demands based on another employees situation? .... And do you think that any Manager in their right mind would simply bow to that pressure and award a contract renewal as a result? Hardly!
You keep on about Adam El-Abd as though you are obsessed with the guy,. Can you please accept that he has been awarded for hard work and consistency .... Oh, and ability! ....
As for keeping Gus Poyet if we were relegated, I do not think that is an issue. The guy is contracted until the end of next season, if he walks meantime, then it would not be any good for him or his Managerial career, so he would not walk. Would I keep him on? Why ever not?
We will not go down though ....

if one albion player deserves a extra years contract,its nf.i dont agree with the way its been handled.but a quick resolution is needed .sort it gus. otherwise i fear its div2 next season.nf is class.

MKWirral - I think you're missing the point. If the Manager and the club declare that their position is that all players out of contract at the end of the season must wait until then to know whether they will be offered a new contract then fair enough. But to state this position and then go and offer one of the players who will be out of contract a new deal seems hypocritical and bound to cause unrest. In these circumstances I can understand why Forster. was miffed.

agree with the above too,g.poyets first mistake was offering el-abd a contract before anyone else.he must see things different from the 7,000 spectators at withdean.next it will be navarro club captain. only forster,murray and kuipers are worthy of contract extensions.the others havent done enough,yet.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation, who deserves what, the timing is all wrong!!! At 36, he will want to know what his future holds, fair enough but, if reported correctly, he's lost his head and had a go at the manager then he's out of order. I seems that there is some kind of barrier between players and management, that they don't discuss these things together which is amazing. Perhaps his agent has something sorted already and he's trying to quicken it all up. Seems a shame after the goals he's scored but the club and supporters must come first especially the league position we're in. Sort it and win some games before it's all too late!!!

Poyet - stop being such ar5e, swallow your pride and put Nicky back in the side. He deserves some respect after all these years. Not least because he's the only player worth keeping and repeatedly kept us in this division. Now we're about to get relegated and you drop him - and all because he has the balls to take a stand against the albion's continuing shambolic contracts saga which happens year in year out. Nicky, if you're reading this, you have the support of the majority of this clubs fans. Hope you're back soon and stay with us for many years to come. Gus, if you're reading this, then if we go down then it's because you've screwed up here. You've handled your first man-management test like a novice. Time to turn the other cheek and give Nicky a cuddle before gates fall even further. He's your best player and a model professional for many many years. SORT IT OUT AND DON'T TAKE US DOWN DUE TO YOUR HISPANIC PRIDE!!

Jimmy Langley wrote:
MKWirral - I think you're missing the point. If the Manager and the club declare that their position is that all players out of contract at the end of the season must wait until then to know whether they will be offered a new contract then fair enough. But to state this position and then go and offer one of the players who will be out of contract a new deal seems hypocritical and bound to cause unrest. In these circumstances I can understand why Forster. was miffed.

Whether or not Gus Poyet declared that all players would have to wait until the summer for contract renewals, and it is contentious that he did actually say that, what does it matter? ....
It was probably an off the cuff comment anyway, and certainly there is nothing in stone to say that "I swear that all expired contracts will be reviewed in the summer, and only in the summer". Do you believe that anyone would make such a condition and then have to abide by it, for fear of players reprisals? I think not.
Furthermore, the fact that a new contract is given to Adam El-Abd is entirely up to the Manager. The guy has awarded the contract on merit, being a reward for hard work and effort shown ....
So, because AE receives his contract, NF has no rights to demand one of his own, especially in the manner with which he did. In fact no player should be making demands of any nature concerning their contracts, because they would no doubt be contravening the very essence of these documents by doing so.
Brilliant player and club servant that Nicky Forster has been, his petulance has shown him up for what he truly is, and it is something that I do not like.

MKWirral - So whatever the Manager says the players should take it with a pinch of salt because he probably doesn't mean it and will be quite happy to do an about turn if it suits him! How not to manage!!

Jimmy Langley wrote:
MKWirral - So whatever the Manager says the players should take it with a pinch of salt because he probably doesn't mean it and will be quite happy to do an about turn if it suits him! How not to manage!!

No, I did not say that ....
I said that it was contentious that he made the statement at all.
No Manager would put his head on the block by making such a statement .... but a Manager would certainly give a contract to someone he considers is deserving of it, because that is his prerogative, he is the boss .... unless you didn't realise that?
GP is an excellent Manager .... he deserves a lot of credit for his stand here. He doesn't deserve the wrath he is receiving from a section of Albion fans, who would, at this moment in time, only wish to see Nicky Forster back in the team, and with a new contract .... If that happened, we would once again be looking for another Manager ....

Probably one of my favourite albion players for years and someone who struck me as a good pro. However, no player is bigger than the club. Look at MUFC. Far bigger names have been shipped out of there for lesser offences

mark by the sea wrote:
mk wirral, i just read your remarks regarding elabd getting a new deal last thursday... from what you say, you were expecting others to follow elabd on receiving a new deal?

Is this the wording you are referring to Mark? ....
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"I like the way the article mentions that AE is the first of eleven, out of contract in the summer, to be handed a new deal ....
The betting has already begun as to which of the remaining ten players will receive similar offers when the time comes". ....
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If it is, and this is the only comment of this nature I made, then where did I suggest that I expected others to follow AE with receiving a new deal?????

MKWirral wrote:

mark by the sea wrote: mk wirral, i just read your remarks regarding elabd getting a new deal last thursday... from what you say, you were expecting others to follow elabd on receiving a new deal?

Is this the wording you are referring to Mark? .... . "I like the way the article mentions that AE is the first of eleven, out of contract in the summer, to be handed a new deal .... The betting has already begun as to which of the remaining ten players will receive similar offers when the time comes". .... . If it is, and this is the only comment of this nature I made, then where did I suggest that I expected others to follow AE with receiving a new deal?????

my point is by offering a contract to elabd, it raises the question for players if tey are going to get a offer, thats my point... forster could have signed for another club, from the first of jan.. wether that means he could have gone there and then i am not certain.. but forster i imagine believed as club captain, and player spokesman, contracts would be sorted end of season.. or why kick off 4 days after the "window" closes? why should there be a acception to what was said to players ie " they have till jan to prove they have a future" tha was one of gus remarks.. waht i fear is a witch hunt if results go bad oveer next ten days.. i can see us going down, and many will point to this joke of management spoiling our hope of staying up.. i agree NF should have kept his mouth shut, but if he was told contracts would be sorted end of season, after his efforts he is entitled to some respect.. what is a bigger joke is elabd will be lucky to get a start in side!

mark by the sea wrote:

MKWirral wrote:

mark by the sea wrote: mk wirral, i just read your remarks regarding elabd getting a new deal last thursday... from what you say, you were expecting others to follow elabd on receiving a new deal?

Is this the wording you are referring to Mark? .... . "I like the way the article mentions that AE is the first of eleven, out of contract in the summer, to be handed a new deal .... The betting has already begun as to which of the remaining ten players will receive similar offers when the time comes". .... . If it is, and this is the only comment of this nature I made, then where did I suggest that I expected others to follow AE with receiving a new deal?????

my point is by offering a contract to elabd, it raises the question for players if tey are going to get a offer, thats my point... forster could have signed for another club, from the first of jan.. wether that means he could have gone there and then i am not certain.. but forster i imagine believed as club captain, and player spokesman, contracts would be sorted end of season.. or why kick off 4 days after the "window" closes? why should there be a acception to what was said to players ie " they have till jan to prove they have a future" tha was one of gus remarks.. waht i fear is a witch hunt if results go bad oveer next ten days.. i can see us going down, and many will point to this joke of management spoiling our hope of staying up.. i agree NF should have kept his mouth shut, but if he was told contracts would be sorted end of season, after his efforts he is entitled to some respect.. what is a bigger joke is elabd will be lucky to get a start in side!

I am not wasting my time by going over the same ground ....
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Your comment "Joke of management" is a little disturbing. After removing the 'of', because it is not necessary, it is clear that you do not approve of Gus Poyet. Do not attempt to say otherwise, because you would not have used the words you did ....
So what do you want? You are anti-youth setup, anti-El-Abd, anti-Gus Poyet, anti-Cox, anti-Navarro, anti-this and anti-that .... but you are in favour of someone who would totally disrupt the club for his own selfish ends, just because he considers he is so good, that the club cannot do without him, and he will attempt to force their hands to obtain what he wants ....

MKWirral - I think it's even clearer that you do not approve of Nicky Forster!

Jimmy Langley wrote:
MKWirral - I think it's even clearer that you do not approve of Nicky Forster!

As I have already stated many times, I have admired the guy for what he has achieved at the club. His skills and abilities are outstanding as a player, and I did believe that he was academically astute as well ....
The way he has handled this whole charade, can only be described as selfish and mercenary ....
So yes, I did like the guy .... but I do not approve of what he has just done ....

MKWirral wrote:

mark by the sea wrote:

MKWirral wrote:

mark by the sea wrote: mk wirral, i just read your remarks regarding elabd getting a new deal last thursday... from what you say, you were expecting others to follow elabd on receiving a new deal?

Is this the wording you are referring to Mark? .... . "I like the way the article mentions that AE is the first of eleven, out of contract in the summer, to be handed a new deal .... The betting has already begun as to which of the remaining ten players will receive similar offers when the time comes". .... . If it is, and this is the only comment of this nature I made, then where did I suggest that I expected others to follow AE with receiving a new deal?????

my point is by offering a contract to elabd, it raises the question for players if tey are going to get a offer, thats my point... forster could have signed for another club, from the first of jan.. wether that means he could have gone there and then i am not certain.. but forster i imagine believed as club captain, and player spokesman, contracts would be sorted end of season.. or why kick off 4 days after the "window" closes? why should there be a acception to what was said to players ie " they have till jan to prove they have a future" tha was one of gus remarks.. waht i fear is a witch hunt if results go bad oveer next ten days.. i can see us going down, and many will point to this joke of management spoiling our hope of staying up.. i agree NF should have kept his mouth shut, but if he was told contracts would be sorted end of season, after his efforts he is entitled to some respect.. what is a bigger joke is elabd will be lucky to get a start in side!

I am not wasting my time by going over the same ground .... . Your comment "Joke of management" is a little disturbing. After removing the 'of', because it is not necessary, it is clear that you do not approve of Gus Poyet. Do not attempt to say otherwise, because you would not have used the words you did .... So what do you want? You are anti-youth setup, anti-El-Abd, anti-Gus Poyet, anti-Cox, anti-Navarro, anti-this and anti-that .... but you are in favour of someone who would totally disrupt the club for his own selfish ends, just because he considers he is so good, that the club cannot do without him, and he will attempt to force their hands to obtain what he wants ....

no i am not anti gus, but the way this was handled was rubbish, not good for team moral, and was pointless.. elabd was not going anywhere, the timing of the story 4 days after the "window" closes when the contract was sorted month or so ago appears inflamatory to forster.. i am one of a few that actually likes navarro.. his work off the ball goes un-noticed by the majority.. elabd has had a good november.. but like hart last year.. form is not the same as class.. as i said last night.. three defeats in next 11 days and the pressure will he at full steam.. oh coxy. a talent. but the new robinson.. cant deliver for more than ten minutes a game. also your putting all the blame on forster! why when you dont know the facts.. other than what paul camlin tells andy naylor to write!

Maybe he offered El Abd a contract so that he didn't lose a young improving player in the Transfer Window. Who knows, all this Forster talk is distracting at a time when we need points and a focus on those players who want to play league 1 football next season ,if they are contracted to the club. We still have the fire power to score goals, from midfield as well as attack so 3 points tomorrow is more important than endless speculation on what NF does next.

Lawro woz God wrote:
Maybe he offered El Abd a contract so that he didn't lose a young improving player in the Transfer Window. Who knows, all this Forster talk is distracting at a time when we need points and a focus on those players who want to play league 1 football next season ,if they are contracted to the club. We still have the fire power to score goals, from midfield as well as attack so 3 points tomorrow is more important than endless speculation on what NF does next.

Well said Lawro, a little sanity on the morning of an important match ....

Quite simply, the situation we are in, the best 12 players should be out on the pitch tonight. If Nicky Forster is one of them he should play. I pay good money to watch the best team BHA have play. I am not interested in petty squabbles that adults should be able to sort !

Make that the best 11......oops. I was angry.

Lawro woz God wrote:
Maybe he offered El Abd a contract so that he didn't lose a young improving player in the Transfer Window. Who knows, all this Forster talk is distracting at a time when we need points and a focus on those players who want to play league 1 football next season ,if they are contracted to the club. We still have the fire power to score goals, from midfield as well as attack so 3 points tomorrow is more important than endless speculation on what NF does next.

sorry guys but elabd wont play in championship, his form is excellent.. but if fit tonight he starts? in which position? if forster was available would he start? yes is the answer.. if elabd is available would he start?

Unless i'm missing something we won't be in the championship next season. He may well start if fit but we will not know until he is and Gus can choose from all the new squad.
Reality is that Forster will probably not play again so why don't we move on and support the Manager and the team he selects tomorrow night.

Lawro woz God wrote:
Unless i'm missing something we won't be in the championship next season. He may well start if fit but we will not know until he is and Gus can choose from all the new squad. Reality is that Forster will probably not play again so why don't we move on and support the Manager and the team he selects tomorrow night.

my point is if gus has made hismind u over elabd, then he must be a first choice player.. clearly he wont getinto this side.. in the bottom 4, so what cance next year when gus has cash to spend, for me it makes no sense, other than dick knight having his fingers in it.. you said he gave elabd a contract to stop other clubs coming in for him? he is contracted till summer.. while forster could have left first of jan.. however the club and the team need 100% support tonight.. lets hope for three points.

For all the fanfare about Gus, and I do like him as a character, we are still sitting in the relegation zone.

Our most consistent, most experienced goal scorer who is still under contract is not in the team, when we DESPERATELY need goals.

I have been to many games where Forster is a different class to any other player where the blue and white stripes, he is a class above many of them.

This is NOT about ability, this is not about winning football matches, it is a childish and peurile "who has the biggest Cohones" moment, and the only losers are the club and the fans.

It is simply not in anyones best interests to have the best attacker dumped out of the squad at this moment in time.

I don't care who did or said what, If Forster is allowed to leave at the end of the season he will be greatly missed but Cest La Vie. For the next 3 months he is under contract and is still the best attacker we have and should remember he is a "professional" and make himself available to play.

If he is still not picked and we go down, I for one would look to Gus for this very moment and hold him accountable, which is in my book a mistake of pride over good judgement.

You put the best 11 football players on the pitch and deal with all this other rubbish off it.

Tonight our best striker, who is not injured will not be playing and that is wholly unacceptable

Gus CANT back down. If he does he will have no authority ever again in his managerial carear. He knows this NF knows this everybody knows this.

Footballers need to realize that they are in a privaliged position that most people would give there right nut for and should act in a proffessional manner ESPECIALY with the media to go on Sky sports and start mouthing off is unexceptable.

Lastly it dosnt matter if you score 50 goals a season until you are out of contract you are employed by the club and you are not biger than the club.

This whole debacile is a distraction that the club dosnt need and frankley shouldnt have to put up with

Leeds Seagull wrote:
Gus CANT back down. If he does he will have no authority ever again in his managerial carear. He knows this NF knows this everybody knows this. Footballers need to realize that they are in a privaliged position that most people would give there right nut for and should act in a proffessional manner ESPECIALY with the media to go on Sky sports and start mouthing off is unexceptable. Lastly it dosnt matter if you score 50 goals a season until you are out of contract you are employed by the club and you are not biger than the club. This whole debacile is a distraction that the club dosnt need and frankley shouldnt have to put up with

Well said that man ....

Perhaps El Abdh accepted an offer that was affordable and reasonable regardless of which division we end up in next season. Remember these players are all paid the salary they accepted up until the end of this season to perform to the best of their ability in an Albion shirt. If we get relegated NF is also a member of a squad that "helped" us get relegated. If we do, he may well be pleased that he is not contracted to this club in League 2, and is a free agent in the Summer. Championship level salaries cannot be paid in League 2. How would the supporters feel if we get relegated and incur a price increase to cover unacceptable pay and terms of contract. The club need to know we are safe from relegation before deciding who will stay and who wil go.

Leeds Seagull wrote:
Gus CANT back down. If he does he will have no authority ever again in his managerial carear. He knows this NF knows this everybody knows this. Footballers need to realize that they are in a privaliged position that most people would give there right nut for and should act in a proffessional manner ESPECIALY with the media to go on Sky sports and start mouthing off is unexceptable. Lastly it dosnt matter if you score 50 goals a season until you are out of contract you are employed by the club and you are not biger than the club. This whole debacile is a distraction that the club dosnt need and frankley shouldnt have to put up with

Agree! A bloody shambles brought about by an over-active ego. Nicky F, go & see Gus, eat a small slice of humble pie & then get back to what you do best for BHA, score goals.......
Security Word small-slice

lancingseagull wrote:
Perhaps El Abdh accepted an offer that was affordable and reasonable regardless of which division we end up in next season. Remember these players are all paid the salary they accepted up until the end of this season to perform to the best of their ability in an Albion shirt. If we get relegated NF is also a member of a squad that "helped" us get relegated. If we do, he may well be pleased that he is not contracted to this club in League 2, and is a free agent in the Summer. Championship level salaries cannot be paid in League 2. How would the supporters feel if we get relegated and incur a price increase to cover unacceptable pay and terms of contract. The club need to know we are safe from relegation before deciding who will stay and who wil go.

More common sense ....
From the clubs' point of view there is obviously a concern regarding which League we will be playing in next season ....
This makes the reason for leaving the remaining contracts until the summer even more important ....
I am certain that when others on here think this through they will arrive at the same sensible conclusion.
It probably will not be long before someone will be busting a gut to mention (yet again) the El-Abd contract offer.
Adam El-Abd will play for the club whether we get relegated or not, and he will play where GP decides, not the fans.

wiltshire seagull wrote:

Leeds Seagull wrote: Gus CANT back down. If he does he will have no authority ever again in his managerial carear. He knows this NF knows this everybody knows this. Footballers need to realize that they are in a privaliged position that most people would give there right nut for and should act in a proffessional manner ESPECIALY with the media to go on Sky sports and start mouthing off is unexceptable. Lastly it dosnt matter if you score 50 goals a season until you are out of contract you are employed by the club and you are not biger than the club. This whole debacile is a distraction that the club dosnt need and frankley shouldnt have to put up with

Agree! A bloody shambles brought about by an over-active ego. Nicky F, go & see Gus, eat a small slice of humble pie & then get back to what you do best for BHA, score goals....... Security Word small-slice

Yes wiltshire, my hopes exactly ....

why must El-Abd be a first XI player to have been awarded a contract? Perhaps his demands were sufficiently reasonable to justify a longer contract which recognises his status as a good squad member and utility player who has acted in a professional manner whilst serving the club and over the course of a season will play a big part, no matter how good the first XI is, given suspensions and injuries that will undoubtly always occur.
1 El-Abd is equal to 3 squad players and therefore represents great value for money.

Good luck to the Albion team tonight.