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Crofts completes Norwich move

The Argus: On the move: Crofts On the move: Crofts

Albion skipper Andrew Crofts has agreed to sign for Norwich City on a three-year deal.

The Argus understands Crofts, voted player-of-the-season for 2010/11, is moving for a fee which will eventually rise to £300,000.

He signed for the Seagulls as a free agent last summer after parting company with Gillingham

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6:33pm Fri 21 May 10

The Phantom says...

Well done Crofty - 3 year contract, more money and at a higher level. Hope it goes well. 300K seems a decent price for him although not sure what the starting point is before it "eventually rises".
Well done Crofty - 3 year contract, more money and at a higher level. Hope it goes well. 300K seems a decent price for him although not sure what the starting point is before it "eventually rises". The Phantom
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7:03pm Fri 21 May 10

McKenzie says...

Cheerio boyo ;)
Cheerio boyo ;) McKenzie
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7:36pm Fri 21 May 10

russellsnr says...

No offence to the player but yet again we find a player with a bit of quaility and BAM!!!!!! sell him when are we going to go forward if we sell our best produce?
No offence to the player but yet again we find a player with a bit of quaility and BAM!!!!!! sell him when are we going to go forward if we sell our best produce? russellsnr
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7:50pm Fri 21 May 10

Jimmy Langley says...

This is certainly turning into a most odd close season. We've lost our two most consistent performers from last season and we've still got some big issues to sort out. What's going to happen with Liam Dickinson? Poyet clearly doesn't rate him or want him. He cost us circa 300k and his form last season will not enable us to recoup anywhere near that sum. The Albion clearly can't afford to write off losses of 300k so what will happen?
This is certainly turning into a most odd close season. We've lost our two most consistent performers from last season and we've still got some big issues to sort out. What's going to happen with Liam Dickinson? Poyet clearly doesn't rate him or want him. He cost us circa 300k and his form last season will not enable us to recoup anywhere near that sum. The Albion clearly can't afford to write off losses of 300k so what will happen? Jimmy Langley
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7:54pm Fri 21 May 10

Zamora25 says...

£300K seems a fair price. Who will sign as his replacement? Prutton?
£300K seems a fair price. Who will sign as his replacement? Prutton? Zamora25
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8:06pm Fri 21 May 10

Southstander says...

If the rumours are true and LuaLua is unsettled at Newcastle and wants to come South will £300k be enough?
If the rumours are true and LuaLua is unsettled at Newcastle and wants to come South will £300k be enough? Southstander
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8:16pm Fri 21 May 10

BHAFC4EVA says...

i genuinely want to cry
i genuinely want to cry BHAFC4EVA
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8:26pm Fri 21 May 10

mark by the sea says...

listen guys, we had the same last year, when robinson and fraser went, we were going down, let me ask you all one question.. if albion paid 300k for croft last year, was he worth it? again we have the big fish in small pool syndrome.. lets see the starting 11 for first game, then moan. dont write off caldi, or lua lua coming back, the future will reveal itself.. come 5 weeks.
listen guys, we had the same last year, when robinson and fraser went, we were going down, let me ask you all one question.. if albion paid 300k for croft last year, was he worth it? again we have the big fish in small pool syndrome.. lets see the starting 11 for first game, then moan. dont write off caldi, or lua lua coming back, the future will reveal itself.. come 5 weeks. mark by the sea
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8:39pm Fri 21 May 10

Southstander says...

I don't often agree with Mark by the Sea, but I do know.

I think it will be a top squad this year and haven't ruled out Caldi or LuaLua.

Norwich released Docherty the other day who had a blinder against us and Leeeds released Kandol, there will be bargains out there..........

And Gus will attract them if Falmer doesn't!
I don't often agree with Mark by the Sea, but I do know. I think it will be a top squad this year and haven't ruled out Caldi or LuaLua. Norwich released Docherty the other day who had a blinder against us and Leeeds released Kandol, there will be bargains out there.......... And Gus will attract them if Falmer doesn't! Southstander
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9:32pm Fri 21 May 10

MKWirral says...

mark by the sea wrote:
listen guys, we had the same last year, when robinson and fraser went, we were going down, let me ask you all one question.. if albion paid 300k for croft last year, was he worth it? again we have the big fish in small pool syndrome.. lets see the starting 11 for first game, then moan. dont write off caldi, or lua lua coming back, the future will reveal itself.. come 5 weeks.
What I really like about you Mark is that, no matter how many adverse comments you have leveled at you, you steadfastly stick to your beliefs. Not only that, but you are one of a select few who post on the Argus site, who do not constantly live in the fearsome days of Division Three football, when any changes to club personnel were viewed with suspicion and dread of the consequences ....
The attitude of some of the comments made since the Albion season ended .... all of two weeks ago .... has swung between losing the Manager, to losing the players who some consider to be utterly indispensable, as far as the club is concerned ....
In reality, all players who leave will be replaced by better quality individuals, who will have the GP stamp of approval, and therefore carry the skill level to guarantee that the club is a force to be reckoned with next season ....
There is still more than a week to go in May, but the Albion moaners are busy carrying out their annual routines, which consist of closely monitoring movements in and out of the club ....
Any early shipping out of former team regulars is often viewed as a catastrophic disaster, from which the Albion will never recover ....
Not forgetting that the Manager has absolutely no time to take an immediate holiday, when he should be considering his own contract, the contracts of others, and provide the names of any players he is expecting to sign, within days of the season end ....
Even the club saviour, Tony Bloom has had his credentials challenged .... He is not on any Rich List, oh tut, tut! .... Is the money he is providing really his? Oh for heaven's sake ....Stop! All these sad, sad people .... who would believe that Brighton are embarking on a Happy and Glorious part of their history?
Thank Goodness for the realistic optimists on here ....
[quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: listen guys, we had the same last year, when robinson and fraser went, we were going down, let me ask you all one question.. if albion paid 300k for croft last year, was he worth it? again we have the big fish in small pool syndrome.. lets see the starting 11 for first game, then moan. dont write off caldi, or lua lua coming back, the future will reveal itself.. come 5 weeks.[/p][/quote]What I really like about you Mark is that, no matter how many adverse comments you have leveled at you, you steadfastly stick to your beliefs. Not only that, but you are one of a select few who post on the Argus site, who do not constantly live in the fearsome days of Division Three football, when any changes to club personnel were viewed with suspicion and dread of the consequences .... The attitude of some of the comments made since the Albion season ended .... all of two weeks ago .... has swung between losing the Manager, to losing the players who some consider to be utterly indispensable, as far as the club is concerned .... In reality, all players who leave will be replaced by better quality individuals, who will have the GP stamp of approval, and therefore carry the skill level to guarantee that the club is a force to be reckoned with next season .... There is still more than a week to go in May, but the Albion moaners are busy carrying out their annual routines, which consist of closely monitoring movements in and out of the club .... Any early shipping out of former team regulars is often viewed as a catastrophic disaster, from which the Albion will never recover .... Not forgetting that the Manager has absolutely no time to take an immediate holiday, when he should be considering his own contract, the contracts of others, and provide the names of any players he is expecting to sign, within days of the season end .... Even the club saviour, Tony Bloom has had his credentials challenged .... He is not on any Rich List, oh tut, tut! .... Is the money he is providing really his? Oh for heaven's sake ....Stop! All these sad, sad people .... who would believe that Brighton are embarking on a Happy and Glorious part of their history? Thank Goodness for the realistic optimists on here .... MKWirral
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9:52pm Fri 21 May 10

dave36 says...

As the squad stands now, we need a gk, 2 r/backs a cb, 2 centre midfielders and at least 2 wingers. On top of that Holroyd an possibly Murray are the only 2 forwards gus will keep. That is ten players we need, now isn't this the same situation we have been in for the last 2 seasons. We can forget the post Xmas improvements as that team is history. Gus is good but will need to be miracle worker to get that many players to gel.
As the squad stands now, we need a gk, 2 r/backs a cb, 2 centre midfielders and at least 2 wingers. On top of that Holroyd an possibly Murray are the only 2 forwards gus will keep. That is ten players we need, now isn't this the same situation we have been in for the last 2 seasons. We can forget the post Xmas improvements as that team is history. Gus is good but will need to be miracle worker to get that many players to gel. dave36
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10:45pm Fri 21 May 10

fretlessbass says...

Murray and Bennett will be gone before the season starts.
Murray and Bennett will be gone before the season starts. fretlessbass
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11:09pm Fri 21 May 10

Leeds Seagull says...

QFT!!!

Let Gus do his job he hasnt let us down yet
QFT!!! Let Gus do his job he hasnt let us down yet Leeds Seagull
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11:24pm Fri 21 May 10

beanyeye says...

I don't buy into this notion that all players who leave 'will be replaced by better quality individuals'. Where is the evidence of that? The sale of Crofts -money that will be drip fed over years and will prove to be insignificant -is a huge loss to the club. He was made captain by GP, who clearly did not want him to leave. It is quite clear that both GP and TB recognise that the club cannot compete with clubs even in our division in attracting players. This sale clearly labels Brighton as a 'selling club'- a message that will not be lost on Bennett, Dicker and others.
I don't buy into this notion that all players who leave 'will be replaced by better quality individuals'. Where is the evidence of that? The sale of Crofts -money that will be drip fed over years and will prove to be insignificant -is a huge loss to the club. He was made captain by GP, who clearly did not want him to leave. It is quite clear that both GP and TB recognise that the club cannot compete with clubs even in our division in attracting players. This sale clearly labels Brighton as a 'selling club'- a message that will not be lost on Bennett, Dicker and others. beanyeye
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11:31pm Fri 21 May 10

mark by the sea says...

fretlessbass wrote:
Murray and Bennett will be gone before the season starts.
who goes is not important, fact is we have one or two championship players here, murray two a penny, bennet a quality player, who under gus will become better.. yes leeds and qpr might come for them.. or thats what i have heard.. but its the squad that is here come kick off in three months.. play off final not over and your all worried... give it a month and we will be saying crofty who?
[quote][p][bold]fretlessbass[/bold] wrote: Murray and Bennett will be gone before the season starts.[/p][/quote]who goes is not important, fact is we have one or two championship players here, murray two a penny, bennet a quality player, who under gus will become better.. yes leeds and qpr might come for them.. or thats what i have heard.. but its the squad that is here come kick off in three months.. play off final not over and your all worried... give it a month and we will be saying crofty who? mark by the sea
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11:58pm Fri 21 May 10

dave36 says...

Sorry but losing your best two players since gus arrived in Crofts and Calderon is not a positive start, let's face it when we looked at additions after the last day those two were not accounted for. If the Prutton rumours are true we would be signing a player that has stepped down in league placings each time he has moved yet was, I think england u21(pls advise if I'm wrong) and is still only 28. I see that gus is back home scouting but how many south amercians have made it in prem league let alone league one.
Sorry but losing your best two players since gus arrived in Crofts and Calderon is not a positive start, let's face it when we looked at additions after the last day those two were not accounted for. If the Prutton rumours are true we would be signing a player that has stepped down in league placings each time he has moved yet was, I think england u21(pls advise if I'm wrong) and is still only 28. I see that gus is back home scouting but how many south amercians have made it in prem league let alone league one. dave36
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12:50am Sat 22 May 10

Crumpldinho says...

Aaaagh! Sure a couple of players going - but you really need to look back at the situation a couple of seasons ago - when things really were dire. Go back a few more years and we were homeless and right in the turd. Lest we forget...

Why would Bloom bankroll a new stadium if he thought we'd be stuck in division one forever? That would be utterly senseless.

It is as if some people think they know more about football, business and the club than Poyet and Bloom. The fact is they don't and should understand that this is a club that is still in transition. It's been a matter of months since our fortunes have turned, yet everyone expects wonders overnight.

Of course Crofty would choose Norwich and Calderon would listen to his agent for the carrot of more money at Southampton too(and surely Calderon won't be back if GP is still in charge - that really is a dodgy rumour).

Let's see who comes in and look at form early next season. There may be big signings to come but who's to say we can't pick up more great players for peanuts. When we splash the cash do we get value? - Seems to me it doesn't make a lot of difference. The two players we have lost came on frees and so why can't we do it again? Who's to say that there may not already be more promising players on our list of targets that could do a better job?
Aaaagh! Sure a couple of players going - but you really need to look back at the situation a couple of seasons ago - when things really were dire. Go back a few more years and we were homeless and right in the turd. Lest we forget... Why would Bloom bankroll a new stadium if he thought we'd be stuck in division one forever? That would be utterly senseless. It is as if some people think they know more about football, business and the club than Poyet and Bloom. The fact is they don't and should understand that this is a club that is still in transition. It's been a matter of months since our fortunes have turned, yet everyone expects wonders overnight. Of course Crofty would choose Norwich and Calderon would listen to his agent for the carrot of more money at Southampton too(and surely Calderon won't be back if GP is still in charge - that really is a dodgy rumour). Let's see who comes in and look at form early next season. There may be big signings to come but who's to say we can't pick up more great players for peanuts. When we splash the cash do we get value? - Seems to me it doesn't make a lot of difference. The two players we have lost came on frees and so why can't we do it again? Who's to say that there may not already be more promising players on our list of targets that could do a better job? Crumpldinho
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12:55am Sat 22 May 10

Vince says...

I'm mystified by this sale. Either Gus didn't rate Crofts that highly and sees Prutton as a more than adequate replacement with an extra 300k in the pot, or he only has a limited budget for new players and needs the extra cash.
If Poyet intends to draft in a few South American players, I agree that there is a big question mark over whether they will fit in and adapt to our game let alone learn the language. I hope that we can get Barnes and Lua Lua back, but maybe we will have to sell Bennett/Murray to fund them. It seems to be a difficult juggling act, and it could all go pear-shaped if we are not careful. I'm slightly disappointed at the inflexible attitude of Gus to Fossie and Calderon. Fossie was a great servant to the club, and without him we would have been in Div2. Reportedly no-one has seen fit to contact him. I hope the Calderon situation can be resolved in our favour, but its all gone quiet over his move to Saints. Anyone know what's going on? I'm sure Gus's improvements to the squad will outweigh the losses, so I think its a bit early to get too twitchy yet!
I'm mystified by this sale. Either Gus didn't rate Crofts that highly and sees Prutton as a more than adequate replacement with an extra 300k in the pot, or he only has a limited budget for new players and needs the extra cash. If Poyet intends to draft in a few South American players, I agree that there is a big question mark over whether they will fit in and adapt to our game let alone learn the language. I hope that we can get Barnes and Lua Lua back, but maybe we will have to sell Bennett/Murray to fund them. It seems to be a difficult juggling act, and it could all go pear-shaped if we are not careful. I'm slightly disappointed at the inflexible attitude of Gus to Fossie and Calderon. Fossie was a great servant to the club, and without him we would have been in Div2. Reportedly no-one has seen fit to contact him. I hope the Calderon situation can be resolved in our favour, but its all gone quiet over his move to Saints. Anyone know what's going on? I'm sure Gus's improvements to the squad will outweigh the losses, so I think its a bit early to get too twitchy yet! Vince
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2:37am Sat 22 May 10

Baldseagull says...

dave36 wrote:
Sorry but losing your best two players since gus arrived in Crofts and Calderon is not a positive start, let's face it when we looked at additions after the last day those two were not accounted for. If the Prutton rumours are true we would be signing a player that has stepped down in league placings each time he has moved yet was, I think england u21(pls advise if I'm wrong) and is still only 28. I see that gus is back home scouting but how many south amercians have made it in prem league let alone league one.
We would all love to have hung onto Calderon and Crofts but all players move on sooner or later.
Many were cacking their pants when Forster 'resigned' but we carry on without him.

Gus Poyet was quite successful in the Premier League, but more recently Carlos Tévez has done quite well.
[quote][p][bold]dave36[/bold] wrote: Sorry but losing your best two players since gus arrived in Crofts and Calderon is not a positive start, let's face it when we looked at additions after the last day those two were not accounted for. If the Prutton rumours are true we would be signing a player that has stepped down in league placings each time he has moved yet was, I think england u21(pls advise if I'm wrong) and is still only 28. I see that gus is back home scouting but how many south amercians have made it in prem league let alone league one.[/p][/quote]We would all love to have hung onto Calderon and Crofts but all players move on sooner or later. Many were cacking their pants when Forster 'resigned' but we carry on without him. Gus Poyet was quite successful in the Premier League, but more recently Carlos Tévez has done quite well. Baldseagull
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7:13am Sat 22 May 10

Ringmer Rich says...

Strewth!! You guys need to chill out a bit. Instant success usually leads to instant failure sooner or later. No offence to the previous incumbents at the club, but it wasn't run in a very professional way. We've been on a rollercoaster ride for quite a while. The changes taking place now aren't little ones. Try taking a look at the larger picture.
Strewth!! You guys need to chill out a bit. Instant success usually leads to instant failure sooner or later. No offence to the previous incumbents at the club, but it wasn't run in a very professional way. We've been on a rollercoaster ride for quite a while. The changes taking place now aren't little ones. Try taking a look at the larger picture. Ringmer Rich
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7:32am Sat 22 May 10

fozziesheadband says...

Good luck to you Crofty. However with Calderon & Forster away, the squad is looking very average at best at the moment.

Come on Gus & find us some decent replacements soon, otherwise the start of the football season is going to be like the previous two years - a very poor start & playing catch up.
Good luck to you Crofty. However with Calderon & Forster away, the squad is looking very average at best at the moment. Come on Gus & find us some decent replacements soon, otherwise the start of the football season is going to be like the previous two years - a very poor start & playing catch up. fozziesheadband
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7:58am Sat 22 May 10

Mark Dixon says...

I am 100% behind Gus at the moment but feel there are a few things which need answering so the loyal Albion supporters don't start panicing. (1) The Calderon situation, no reports on the Saints website he has signed for them and SkySports website only reports this as a possibilty but would we want a 'want away' player back anyway? (2) The Croft situation, ok for better or worse he has gone but the fee rising to a reported £300k, is this based on appearences and will the Albion ever see that figure? (3) The Forster situation, odd no-one has come in for him. I can still see another season in him as a back-up but taking into account his falling out with Gus will he be with us next season? (4) The Gus situation and this is the one which concerns me the most at the moment, Gus has pledged his future to the Albion and ok he has been in South America but come on TB get the pen out and get this one rubber stamped.
I am 100% behind Gus at the moment but feel there are a few things which need answering so the loyal Albion supporters don't start panicing. (1) The Calderon situation, no reports on the Saints website he has signed for them and SkySports website only reports this as a possibilty but would we want a 'want away' player back anyway? (2) The Croft situation, ok for better or worse he has gone but the fee rising to a reported £300k, is this based on appearences and will the Albion ever see that figure? (3) The Forster situation, odd no-one has come in for him. I can still see another season in him as a back-up but taking into account his falling out with Gus will he be with us next season? (4) The Gus situation and this is the one which concerns me the most at the moment, Gus has pledged his future to the Albion and ok he has been in South America but come on TB get the pen out and get this one rubber stamped. Mark Dixon
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8:35am Sat 22 May 10

fretlessbass says...

What's all this guff about albion being 'a selling club'? Apart from the top six in the premier league EVERY club is a selling club.
What's all this guff about albion being 'a selling club'? Apart from the top six in the premier league EVERY club is a selling club. fretlessbass
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8:56am Sat 22 May 10

mark by the sea says...

fretlessbass wrote:
What's all this guff about albion being 'a selling club'? Apart from the top six in the premier league EVERY club is a selling club.
really, look at man united, ronaldo? arsenal with henry, and now fabregas.. lets assume we said " sorry crofty you stay and play" would he play with his heart? and 12 months down the road he walks and we get nothing.. lets wait and see what the starting 11 is in three months time! as for gus, he is having a working holiday, because the argus does not report it, gus has probably agreed a deal to stay..and will sign it on his return.. stop the panic wailing!
[quote][p][bold]fretlessbass[/bold] wrote: What's all this guff about albion being 'a selling club'? Apart from the top six in the premier league EVERY club is a selling club.[/p][/quote]really, look at man united, ronaldo? arsenal with henry, and now fabregas.. lets assume we said " sorry crofty you stay and play" would he play with his heart? and 12 months down the road he walks and we get nothing.. lets wait and see what the starting 11 is in three months time! as for gus, he is having a working holiday, because the argus does not report it, gus has probably agreed a deal to stay..and will sign it on his return.. stop the panic wailing! mark by the sea
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9:00am Sat 22 May 10

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

The days are gone, long gone, when a chairman or manager can stand outside the club office, twang their braces, and say "So-and-so will leave this club over my dead body." Nowadays players move on to bigger clubs (and bigger salaries) whenever they can. Deal with it. And whatever our future prospects might be as a professional footballer Crofts would have been mad to turn down the chance of 'jam today'; it's a short career and whilst he did a good job for us you get the feeling that playing in the Championship for Norwich will be the highlight of it for him.
That's assuming he makes the grade of course. Don't forget we signed him on a free from Gillingham and prior to that he hadn't pulled up any trees at the other clubs he'd been at. Was last season a flash in the pan where everything just clicked?
The days are gone, long gone, when a chairman or manager can stand outside the club office, twang their braces, and say "So-and-so will leave this club over my dead body." Nowadays players move on to bigger clubs (and bigger salaries) whenever they can. Deal with it. And whatever our future prospects might be as a professional footballer Crofts would have been mad to turn down the chance of 'jam today'; it's a short career and whilst he did a good job for us you get the feeling that playing in the Championship for Norwich will be the highlight of it for him. That's assuming he makes the grade of course. Don't forget we signed him on a free from Gillingham and prior to that he hadn't pulled up any trees at the other clubs he'd been at. Was last season a flash in the pan where everything just clicked? Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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9:11am Sat 22 May 10

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

Vince from Shoreham: There's nothing to be 'mystified' about. Poyet didn't sell him as such - Norwich bought him from us. In other words Poyet didn't want him to go, but once Norwich showed an interest what was Poyet supposed to do? The alternative was to keep Crofts agaist his will, to deny him his 'dream move'. That might make sense from a pure footballing angle but there's the human factor as well: we'd have an resentful player on our hands which could well damage team spirit. Also it sends a message to the other players that they're 'trapped' at Brighton for the duration of their contracts.
Vince from Shoreham: There's nothing to be 'mystified' about. Poyet didn't sell him as such - Norwich bought him from us. In other words Poyet didn't want him to go, but once Norwich showed an interest what was Poyet supposed to do? The alternative was to keep Crofts agaist his will, to deny him his 'dream move'. That might make sense from a pure footballing angle but there's the human factor as well: we'd have an resentful player on our hands which could well damage team spirit. Also it sends a message to the other players that they're 'trapped' at Brighton for the duration of their contracts. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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9:28am Sat 22 May 10

beanyeye says...

Sadly the message to Bennett and others is that Gus does not believe that holding on to Crofts would have led to promotion next season. The mood music from Gus is all about how difficult the challenge is- constantly down playing expectations. If a championship or top div. 1 side comes in for Bennett he will go and understandably so. If Gus truly had belief perhaps like Holler at Blackpool he would keep his best players and convince them that promotion is only 9 months away. Sadly the club is resigned to another mediocre season.
Sadly the message to Bennett and others is that Gus does not believe that holding on to Crofts would have led to promotion next season. The mood music from Gus is all about how difficult the challenge is- constantly down playing expectations. If a championship or top div. 1 side comes in for Bennett he will go and understandably so. If Gus truly had belief perhaps like Holler at Blackpool he would keep his best players and convince them that promotion is only 9 months away. Sadly the club is resigned to another mediocre season. beanyeye
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9:46am Sat 22 May 10

MKWirral says...

beanyeye wrote:
Sadly the message to Bennett and others is that Gus does not believe that holding on to Crofts would have led to promotion next season. The mood music from Gus is all about how difficult the challenge is- constantly down playing expectations. If a championship or top div. 1 side comes in for Bennett he will go and understandably so. If Gus truly had belief perhaps like Holler at Blackpool he would keep his best players and convince them that promotion is only 9 months away. Sadly the club is resigned to another mediocre season.
How ridiculous!
Crofts left of his own accord, there was nothing Gus could have done to persuade him to stay, and the same goes for any other player .... you cannot make anyone play for you if they wish to move on ....
There will always be players who seek a move for the 'betterment' of their careers .... conversely, there are those who will see the benefits of staying, knowing the long-term aims of the club, and the fact that they are considered part of those aims ....
Crofts had his head turned by money and a higher footballing level .... good luck to him, but the move will not guarantee him anything ....
Your last sentence defies any form of logic or true support for the team .... you must be writing the gloomy mood music for the cynics on here ....
[quote][p][bold]beanyeye[/bold] wrote: Sadly the message to Bennett and others is that Gus does not believe that holding on to Crofts would have led to promotion next season. The mood music from Gus is all about how difficult the challenge is- constantly down playing expectations. If a championship or top div. 1 side comes in for Bennett he will go and understandably so. If Gus truly had belief perhaps like Holler at Blackpool he would keep his best players and convince them that promotion is only 9 months away. Sadly the club is resigned to another mediocre season.[/p][/quote]How ridiculous! Crofts left of his own accord, there was nothing Gus could have done to persuade him to stay, and the same goes for any other player .... you cannot make anyone play for you if they wish to move on .... There will always be players who seek a move for the 'betterment' of their careers .... conversely, there are those who will see the benefits of staying, knowing the long-term aims of the club, and the fact that they are considered part of those aims .... Crofts had his head turned by money and a higher footballing level .... good luck to him, but the move will not guarantee him anything .... Your last sentence defies any form of logic or true support for the team .... you must be writing the gloomy mood music for the cynics on here .... MKWirral
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10:32am Sat 22 May 10

lancingseagull says...

Can't see any reason to panic or moan. Every club has "ins and outs" during the close season. Some "outs" at clubs are viewed with scepticism, and defeatism by supporters. Like on here. The important thing is, at the start of next season, we have a quality squad of players, committed to the club, manager, and coaching staff, that are capable of a top six finish. For goodness sake, this season has only just finished. Give it time.
Can't see any reason to panic or moan. Every club has "ins and outs" during the close season. Some "outs" at clubs are viewed with scepticism, and defeatism by supporters. Like on here. The important thing is, at the start of next season, we have a quality squad of players, committed to the club, manager, and coaching staff, that are capable of a top six finish. For goodness sake, this season has only just finished. Give it time. lancingseagull
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10:49am Sat 22 May 10

Vince says...

I agree, and the reason gus didn't dive into the transfrer market in january was because he was saving it all to the close season. instead he brought in a couple of defenders on freebies and got the team playing proper football? Who would have thought that we'd reach halfway in the table without Fossie? Gus is a class act, and I can't wait to see his new acquisitions in action. i just hope he stays with us!!!
I agree, and the reason gus didn't dive into the transfrer market in january was because he was saving it all to the close season. instead he brought in a couple of defenders on freebies and got the team playing proper football? Who would have thought that we'd reach halfway in the table without Fossie? Gus is a class act, and I can't wait to see his new acquisitions in action. i just hope he stays with us!!! Vince
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10:49am Sat 22 May 10

Claude Back says...

beanyeye wrote:
Sadly the message to Bennett and others is that Gus does not believe that holding on to Crofts would have led to promotion next season. The mood music from Gus is all about how difficult the challenge is- constantly down playing expectations. If a championship or top div. 1 side comes in for Bennett he will go and understandably so. If Gus truly had belief perhaps like Holler at Blackpool he would keep his best players and convince them that promotion is only 9 months away. Sadly the club is resigned to another mediocre season.
You must cheer the place up a bit wherever you go.
[quote][p][bold]beanyeye[/bold] wrote: Sadly the message to Bennett and others is that Gus does not believe that holding on to Crofts would have led to promotion next season. The mood music from Gus is all about how difficult the challenge is- constantly down playing expectations. If a championship or top div. 1 side comes in for Bennett he will go and understandably so. If Gus truly had belief perhaps like Holler at Blackpool he would keep his best players and convince them that promotion is only 9 months away. Sadly the club is resigned to another mediocre season.[/p][/quote]You must cheer the place up a bit wherever you go. Claude Back
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1:06pm Sat 22 May 10

wiltshire seagull says...

MKWirral wrote:
mark by the sea wrote:
listen guys, we had the same last year, when robinson and fraser went, we were going down, let me ask you all one question.. if albion paid 300k for croft last year, was he worth it? again we have the big fish in small pool syndrome.. lets see the starting 11 for first game, then moan. dont write off caldi, or lua lua coming back, the future will reveal itself.. come 5 weeks.
What I really like about you Mark is that, no matter how many adverse comments you have leveled at you, you steadfastly stick to your beliefs. Not only that, but you are one of a select few who post on the Argus site, who do not constantly live in the fearsome days of Division Three football, when any changes to club personnel were viewed with suspicion and dread of the consequences ....
The attitude of some of the comments made since the Albion season ended .... all of two weeks ago .... has swung between losing the Manager, to losing the players who some consider to be utterly indispensable, as far as the club is concerned ....
In reality, all players who leave will be replaced by better quality individuals, who will have the GP stamp of approval, and therefore carry the skill level to guarantee that the club is a force to be reckoned with next season ....
There is still more than a week to go in May, but the Albion moaners are busy carrying out their annual routines, which consist of closely monitoring movements in and out of the club ....
Any early shipping out of former team regulars is often viewed as a catastrophic disaster, from which the Albion will never recover ....
Not forgetting that the Manager has absolutely no time to take an immediate holiday, when he should be considering his own contract, the contracts of others, and provide the names of any players he is expecting to sign, within days of the season end ....
Even the club saviour, Tony Bloom has had his credentials challenged .... He is not on any Rich List, oh tut, tut! .... Is the money he is providing really his? Oh for heaven's sake ....Stop! All these sad, sad people .... who would believe that Brighton are embarking on a Happy and Glorious part of their history?
Thank Goodness for the realistic optimists on here ....
Top Post, MKWirral, another poster who regularly & succinctly says it as it is!
To quote:-Thank Goodness for the realistic optimists on here ....).......:-)
[quote][p][bold]MKWirral[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mark by the sea[/bold] wrote: listen guys, we had the same last year, when robinson and fraser went, we were going down, let me ask you all one question.. if albion paid 300k for croft last year, was he worth it? again we have the big fish in small pool syndrome.. lets see the starting 11 for first game, then moan. dont write off caldi, or lua lua coming back, the future will reveal itself.. come 5 weeks.[/p][/quote]What I really like about you Mark is that, no matter how many adverse comments you have leveled at you, you steadfastly stick to your beliefs. Not only that, but you are one of a select few who post on the Argus site, who do not constantly live in the fearsome days of Division Three football, when any changes to club personnel were viewed with suspicion and dread of the consequences .... The attitude of some of the comments made since the Albion season ended .... all of two weeks ago .... has swung between losing the Manager, to losing the players who some consider to be utterly indispensable, as far as the club is concerned .... In reality, all players who leave will be replaced by better quality individuals, who will have the GP stamp of approval, and therefore carry the skill level to guarantee that the club is a force to be reckoned with next season .... There is still more than a week to go in May, but the Albion moaners are busy carrying out their annual routines, which consist of closely monitoring movements in and out of the club .... Any early shipping out of former team regulars is often viewed as a catastrophic disaster, from which the Albion will never recover .... Not forgetting that the Manager has absolutely no time to take an immediate holiday, when he should be considering his own contract, the contracts of others, and provide the names of any players he is expecting to sign, within days of the season end .... Even the club saviour, Tony Bloom has had his credentials challenged .... He is not on any Rich List, oh tut, tut! .... Is the money he is providing really his? Oh for heaven's sake ....Stop! All these sad, sad people .... who would believe that Brighton are embarking on a Happy and Glorious part of their history? Thank Goodness for the realistic optimists on here ....[/p][/quote]Top Post, MKWirral, another poster who regularly & succinctly says it as it is! To quote:-Thank Goodness for the realistic optimists on here ....).......:-) wiltshire seagull
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6:31pm Sat 22 May 10

the taffster says...

look how long it took last seasons recruits to gel before the team got their act together.3/4 of the season.many teams gain promotion by continuity.keeping the same manager and team.if you want a push for promotion next season,why are we letting our best players go?crofts had another season left on his contract.we could have kept him.he wasnt even in the gills first team when he joined us.we gave him a break and he repays us by moving on.the club always sells its best players and then has to rebuild.why? the club has sound finances.assembling a squad with free transfers again is going to produce similar problems like last season.it makes no sense to me.
look how long it took last seasons recruits to gel before the team got their act together.3/4 of the season.many teams gain promotion by continuity.keeping the same manager and team.if you want a push for promotion next season,why are we letting our best players go?crofts had another season left on his contract.we could have kept him.he wasnt even in the gills first team when he joined us.we gave him a break and he repays us by moving on.the club always sells its best players and then has to rebuild.why? the club has sound finances.assembling a squad with free transfers again is going to produce similar problems like last season.it makes no sense to me. the taffster
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7:32pm Sat 22 May 10

the taffster says...

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote:
Vince from Shoreham: There's nothing to be 'mystified' about. Poyet didn't sell him as such - Norwich bought him from us. In other words Poyet didn't want him to go, but once Norwich showed an interest what was Poyet supposed to do? The alternative was to keep Crofts agaist his will, to deny him his 'dream move'. That might make sense from a pure footballing angle but there's the human factor as well: we'd have an resentful player on our hands which could well damage team spirit. Also it sends a message to the other players that they're 'trapped' at Brighton for the duration of their contracts.
whas the point in having a contractual agreement if no player is going to stick to it.these contracts should be fulfilled.
[quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Vince from Shoreham: There's nothing to be 'mystified' about. Poyet didn't sell him as such - Norwich bought him from us. In other words Poyet didn't want him to go, but once Norwich showed an interest what was Poyet supposed to do? The alternative was to keep Crofts agaist his will, to deny him his 'dream move'. That might make sense from a pure footballing angle but there's the human factor as well: we'd have an resentful player on our hands which could well damage team spirit. Also it sends a message to the other players that they're 'trapped' at Brighton for the duration of their contracts.[/p][/quote]whas the point in having a contractual agreement if no player is going to stick to it.these contracts should be fulfilled. the taffster
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8:46am Sun 23 May 10

Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit says...

the taffster wrote:
Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit wrote: Vince from Shoreham: There's nothing to be 'mystified' about. Poyet didn't sell him as such - Norwich bought him from us. In other words Poyet didn't want him to go, but once Norwich showed an interest what was Poyet supposed to do? The alternative was to keep Crofts agaist his will, to deny him his 'dream move'. That might make sense from a pure footballing angle but there's the human factor as well: we'd have an resentful player on our hands which could well damage team spirit. Also it sends a message to the other players that they're 'trapped' at Brighton for the duration of their contracts.
whas the point in having a contractual agreement if no player is going to stick to it.these contracts should be fulfilled.
But that's not how the world works, and when you've thought it through you'll see why. What if we signed someone better and Crofts lost his place next season? Could we transfer him then? If you say 'Yes' then you're saying that it's ok for him to leave - but only when we say so.
And on the subject of honouring contracts: we didn't give it a second thought when we sacked Slade and Adams - and they were both under contract.
[quote][p][bold]the taffster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit[/bold] wrote: Vince from Shoreham: There's nothing to be 'mystified' about. Poyet didn't sell him as such - Norwich bought him from us. In other words Poyet didn't want him to go, but once Norwich showed an interest what was Poyet supposed to do? The alternative was to keep Crofts agaist his will, to deny him his 'dream move'. That might make sense from a pure footballing angle but there's the human factor as well: we'd have an resentful player on our hands which could well damage team spirit. Also it sends a message to the other players that they're 'trapped' at Brighton for the duration of their contracts.[/p][/quote]whas the point in having a contractual agreement if no player is going to stick to it.these contracts should be fulfilled.[/p][/quote]But that's not how the world works, and when you've thought it through you'll see why. What if we signed someone better and Crofts lost his place next season? Could we transfer him then? If you say 'Yes' then you're saying that it's ok for him to leave - but only when we say so. And on the subject of honouring contracts: we didn't give it a second thought when we sacked Slade and Adams - and they were both under contract. Jimmy Stewart's Imaginary Rabbit
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10:51am Sun 23 May 10

the taffster says...

blackpool yesterday was an example of a team with the odd addition(charlie adam)that have been playing together for a few seasons.thats what this club needs is stability on the field.the club has an ambition that was sold to the players when they joined.dont need to be losing your top players and rebuilding.its one step forward then one back.it seems obvious the clubs wages dont match thier ambitions.you wont get out of this div.without buying quality.
blackpool yesterday was an example of a team with the odd addition(charlie adam)that have been playing together for a few seasons.thats what this club needs is stability on the field.the club has an ambition that was sold to the players when they joined.dont need to be losing your top players and rebuilding.its one step forward then one back.it seems obvious the clubs wages dont match thier ambitions.you wont get out of this div.without buying quality. the taffster
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8:11am Tue 25 May 10

adjacent says...

I hope everyone at Albion, including the players and backroom staff, don't read any of the comments on this site ever. It just takes 3 people out of thousands to make it look like there is a problem and actually sounds serious about it- when there clearly isn't.
Can't believe what I'm hearing sometimes where I go on here, the idea of being a supporter is actually supporting the club. You support it. There's a big difference between following a club and supporting a club.
As a general brighton supporter, my view on the Crofts situation: Unfortunate he had to go, but 300k good price. Gus knows what he's doing.
I hope everyone at Albion, including the players and backroom staff, don't read any of the comments on this site ever. It just takes 3 people out of thousands to make it look like there is a problem and actually sounds serious about it- when there clearly isn't. Can't believe what I'm hearing sometimes where I go on here, the idea of being a supporter is actually supporting the club. You support it. There's a big difference between following a club and supporting a club. As a general brighton supporter, my view on the Crofts situation: Unfortunate he had to go, but 300k good price. Gus knows what he's doing. adjacent
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