Poyet: Cup thrashing is reality check (From The Argus)
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Poyet: Cup thrashing is reality check
10:30am Monday 20th February 2012 in Albion By Andy Naylor
Poyet and Dalglish at the final whistle
GUS Poyet has warned Albion’s FA Cup thrashing at Liverpool proves they are not ready for the Premier League.
The manager regards the 6-1 defeat at Anfield as a reality check for the Seagulls.
He insists they are not equipped yet to cope with the top-flight if they go up from the Championship this season.
Poyet declared: “I’ve said for the last two or three months I want to be ready (for promotion). I don’t want to come to Anfield and lose 6-1 or 7-1 and we are not ready.
“People think I am being negative. Maybe they will say now he was right, so we need to be ready.
“The best way to get to the Premiership is when you are ready, when you have got strength, power, technical ability, understanding and you can deal with one v one situations and make good decisions.
“If not you should forget about playing against the top six because you are going to suffer. It doesn’t matter how many players you put behind the ball or if you play long or short. They have got quality and you need to defend."
More FA Cup reaction and analysis in The Argus today
Comments(85)
heathgate
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10:46am Mon 20 Feb 12
I expected to lose yesterday, probably 3-1, but we were undone by the sheer pace of the liverpool attacking movement, a lesson for us in fact, you have to support your forward players else they will struggle, as is the case with us and CMS in particular.
Lets get the central midfield populated by players that have that ability, and give Hull a lesson this week.
Willie, Willie Irvine
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10:51am Mon 20 Feb 12
SelseyBoy wrote:Yes, but last week he added two players with the express intent of trying to push for promotion THIS season. So honesty is good, I agree, but expressions of 'honesty' day by day can change. So don't expect Albion to capitulate and forego promotion if it's possible any day soon.
Well said GP. Nice to see honesty comming from a club manager. Que armchair managers calling for his head or statiing why we are ready blah blah blah
suffolkseagull
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10:54am Mon 20 Feb 12
the money promotion will generate will enable gus to find the funds to make us a serious premiership preposition in the future even if we do go down immediately.
with 3 years parachute payments for those dropping down we will be at a serious disadvantage the longer it takes us to go up.
thewhitehawker
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11:00am Mon 20 Feb 12
7Rookie
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11:03am Mon 20 Feb 12
beanyeye
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11:04am Mon 20 Feb 12
rusty dave
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11:05am Mon 20 Feb 12
suffolkseagull
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11:07am Mon 20 Feb 12
thewhitehawker wrote:TWO WORDS FOR THIS RUBBISH
PATHETIC RESULT !! WE GAVE LIVERPOOL TOO MUCH RESPECT AND WERE SCARED OF THEM !AT TIMES WE WERE ABUNDLE OF NERVES!! WE BEAT NEWCASTLE AND SUNDERLAND . AND CRAWLEY ONLY LOST TO STOKE 2-0 AND THEY ARE 2 LEAGUES DOWN FROM US . ALBION NEED A FEW WEEKS IN THE BRITISH ARMY TO GIVE THEM SOME STAMINA AND BOTTLE TO STOP THEM QUAKING IN THEIR BOOTS TO THE ENEMY . THEY NEED THE NEVER SAY DIE ATTITUDE AND FIGHT FOR THE CAUSE . NOW PULL YOUR SOCKS UP ALBION AND GET STUCK INTO HULL !!!
caps lock!!!
woodeanseagull
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11:14am Mon 20 Feb 12
Liverpool outclassed us, passing more accurate and so much faster than us.
Could easily have been a bigger scoreline.
Well done as usual to the Albion fans; still singing even after the 6th went in.
The Kop was disappointingly quiet until 4-1 up!
ballantrrae
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11:32am Mon 20 Feb 12
One thought that I posted on another thread earlier. Albion were missing at least 4 (Possibly 5) players who will probably be in the squad against Hull - Reyes, Mattock, Razac, Assulin and Sparrow. Very few Premiership sides could go to Anfield to play that Liverpool side with almost half a side missing and expect to win. At present Man City is the only side I can think of that might even be in a position to contemplate it.
I am not saying we would have won had those players been included (most couldn't be,) only that we might have been more competitive.
Let's hope the Albion bounce back on Wednesday.
Weploughandmow
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11:40am Mon 20 Feb 12
Dr Baldhead
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11:42am Mon 20 Feb 12
I fully expect the WBA boys to be back on Wednesday along with Razak (who was on the pitch warming up with the team yesterday). Yesterday and recent games over the last few weeks have shown that one or two of our established players have limitations that perhaps mean they may lose thier place in the match day squad. I guess this is evolution and as Gus suggests, there is still much work to be done before we can really stake a genuine claim to go up and stay up.
Gazza by the sea
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11:53am Mon 20 Feb 12
Ken in Spain
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12:08pm Mon 20 Feb 12
It won't only be in our hands if we go up. We try to win every game and if other teams are better than us and finish in the top 6 so be it. If we were to get there and win the lottery of the play-offs we will have to deal with it. I reckon TB and Gus would give it good go.
Both cup runs were ended by Liverpool. It was fun and lucrative while it lasted but now we have to build for the future. Fantastic times lie ahead, with a few lows as well, of that I am sure.
lordenglandofsussex
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12:09pm Mon 20 Feb 12
The Albion would be better off consolidating themselves in the Championship for the next 2 or 3 years before they think about the Premiership.
Small steps!
Rhodes Seagull
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12:17pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Hovite
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12:31pm Mon 20 Feb 12
What I want to know is, are our players capable of playing the way Gus wants them to, and should we be playing more to our our players strength rather than a specific system.
Does just playing one way make us too predictable. There is a good reason why CMS hasn't been scoring freely.
We don't manage to get it up to him!
When I watch Swansea, who I beleive we are trying to emulate, they work in neat quick triangles all up the pitch. I don't see any of this with us and right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.
We rarely get corners, when other teams play for them. Corners are set peices and are as valuable as free kicks.
This is training ground stuff.
To be a great manager you have to be able to adapt to your opponents weaknesses, but all we seem to consistently do is let them adapt to ours.
Weploughandmow
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12:39pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Hovite wrote:My God! The answer has been staring us in the face! Put Hovite in charge of training and all our problems will be solved and our dreams realised! We'll be European champions in two years! If only he'd been in charge of the stadium we wouldn't have been waiting so long for that either. Hang on, phone's ringing. . . hello? Who's that? Hovite, it's for you. It's the Greek prime minister. He wants your help.
The next 3 games will show us were we will be at the end of the season.
What I want to know is, are our players capable of playing the way Gus wants them to, and should we be playing more to our our players strength rather than a specific system.
Does just playing one way make us too predictable. There is a good reason why CMS hasn't been scoring freely.
We don't manage to get it up to him!
When I watch Swansea, who I beleive we are trying to emulate, they work in neat quick triangles all up the pitch. I don't see any of this with us and right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.
We rarely get corners, when other teams play for them. Corners are set peices and are as valuable as free kicks.
This is training ground stuff.
To be a great manager you have to be able to adapt to your opponents weaknesses, but all we seem to consistently do is let them adapt to ours.
Dr Baldhead
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12:45pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Ken in Spain wrote:Ken
Respect for Gus. He was smiling after the game but you knew it hurt. Brighton are trying to play like a Premiership club, like others in this division, but don't quite have the quality just yet. It won't only be in our hands if we go up. We try to win every game and if other teams are better than us and finish in the top 6 so be it. If we were to get there and win the lottery of the play-offs we will have to deal with it. I reckon TB and Gus would give it good go. Both cup runs were ended by Liverpool. It was fun and lucrative while it lasted but now we have to build for the future. Fantastic times lie ahead, with a few lows as well, of that I am sure.
You encapsulated it perfectly, thank you. I hope the costas are beginning to warm up.
jyan
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12:51pm Mon 20 Feb 12
seagulljoe
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12:53pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Weploughandmow wrote:Great post, the best of the last couple of days and most sensible analysis of yesterday's events. Good man!
We don't yet NEED to be good enough to beat Liverpool at Anfield. We won't need that for many, many years - several years after we get to the Premiership, probably. We need to be good enough to beat Hull, Ipswich, Doncaster - and maybe Southampton and West Ham. Then, when we're good enough to do that regularly and consistently, we'll be ready to move up to the next level and then (and only then) we'll need to be good enough to beat the likes of Bolton, Wolves, Blackburn, Wigan or whoever's in their position at the time. Sunday was enjoyable and the best thing about it is seeing where we might be in the future. In the meantime, let's concentrate on what we need to be doing now and if we get promotion somehow then fine. We may spend a season or two bouncing between Premiership and Championship as we did between League 1 and Championship for a while, but now I feel as though we're where we deserve to be. Wouldn't it be great to be like Newcastle, Sunderland, West Ham, Reading, etc? Not out of the question but you have to eat an elephant bit by bit, not in one mouthful. Patience, my friends. A team is being built for the long term and how great is it to have a manager (and chairman) that has that distance of vision and the sense to put all the pieces in place thoughtfully and systematically. AND delivering great games on any given Saturday afternoon that we win as often as not . . .
davidinsouthampton
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1:00pm Mon 20 Feb 12
I don't see this as being totally out of kilter with the possibility of promotion this season. Que sera sera, but if the possibility is there, we won't roll over and play dead. Gus and (recruitment) team would just realise they would have a lot of strengthening to do.
Hovite
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1:06pm Mon 20 Feb 12
As Gus said it is a reality check.
Do you think that Tony Bloom wouldn't say to Gus,"where do you think we went wrong or are going wrong"?
Swansea weren't equipped lavishly with star players, they went up to the Prem as a well rehearsed team.
We played the same way against Liverpool the same way as we did Wrexham.
Yesterday we exposed all of our weaknesses throughout the season in one go.
I am still giving Gus the thumbs up, but this is a big test on his player management. This is probably the best thing that could have happened to us. Now on with the real business!
7Rookie
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1:06pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Hovite wrote:Teams play for corners? You sure they are not going for goal and the opposition happen to get it away for a corner.
The next 3 games will show us were we will be at the end of the season.
What I want to know is, are our players capable of playing the way Gus wants them to, and should we be playing more to our our players strength rather than a specific system.
Does just playing one way make us too predictable. There is a good reason why CMS hasn't been scoring freely.
We don't manage to get it up to him!
When I watch Swansea, who I beleive we are trying to emulate, they work in neat quick triangles all up the pitch. I don't see any of this with us and right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.
We rarely get corners, when other teams play for them. Corners are set peices and are as valuable as free kicks.
This is training ground stuff.
To be a great manager you have to be able to adapt to your opponents weaknesses, but all we seem to consistently do is let them adapt to ours.
Hove Ex-Pat
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1:18pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Jimmy Langley
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1:29pm Mon 20 Feb 12
a) We must improve at defending corners.
b) We should always start with at least one creative player in midfield.
c) We need to press further up the pitch. We gave Liverpool far too much space in midfield in the second half.
Personally I do not want to see us promoted this season. We were a much stronger team when we were last promoted to the top division and we struggled to retain our place with a team containing such legends as Ward, Horton, Lawrenson, Foster Stevens and Gregory. The Premiership is even stronger now so let's be patient and continue to improve at a sustainable pace and then make the jump when we are ready to hold our own.
Jimmy Langley
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1:30pm Mon 20 Feb 12
a) We must improve at defending corners.
b) We should always start with at least one creative player in midfield.
c) We need to press further up the pitch. We gave Liverpool far too much space in midfield in the second half.
Personally I do not want to see us promoted this season. We were a much stronger team when we were last promoted to the top division and we struggled to retain our place with a team containing such legends as Ward, Horton, Lawrenson, Foster Stevens and Gregory. The Premiership is even stronger now so let's be patient and continue to improve at a sustainable pace and then make the jump when we are ready to hold our own.
ballantrrae
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1:40pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Hove Ex-Pat wrote:Many Happy Returns for your Birthday on Wednesday Hove Ex-Pat. I hope the Seagulls give you an appropriate present ie a Win !
So many managers make such ridiculous comments after losing a game. Not Gus. I admire his honest comments after the game. He & the team will bounce back from this. So after going to "HELL & BACK" on Sunday, get ready for "HULL & BACK" on wednesday. PS, a win would be nice as it's my 63rd birthday.
A number of good realistic yet positive posts on this thread.
As someone said either on this report or the Lua Lua scores one, one only learns from one's mistakes.
No doubt the Albion and Poyet will learn from theirs. Judging from his comments Poyet seems to be whilst at the same time keeping things in perspective.
So Albion a win against Hull to celebrate Hove Ex-Pat's 63rd Birthday !
ballantrrae
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1:49pm Mon 20 Feb 12
I believe he is since he played for the Development squad against Southampton in a friendly last Wednesday. The match ended in a nil - nil draw. There is a report (with team line ups) on the Seagulls website.
seagull31
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1:57pm Mon 20 Feb 12
7Rookie wrote:Also... our corners are generally pretty awful! Really not much point basing our team plan around those. Hovite - Gus plays in a style and is not going to change that for anyone/anything. I don't disagree though - I have always felt that there is a middle ground between our 'trademark' passing game (often involving endless passing round the back to the keeper, then back again), to a more forward looking passing game. I am not, as yet, a football manager though, so have been unable to put this in to practice.
Hovite wrote: The next 3 games will show us were we will be at the end of the season. What I want to know is, are our players capable of playing the way Gus wants them to, and should we be playing more to our our players strength rather than a specific system. Does just playing one way make us too predictable. There is a good reason why CMS hasn't been scoring freely. We don't manage to get it up to him! When I watch Swansea, who I beleive we are trying to emulate, they work in neat quick triangles all up the pitch. I don't see any of this with us and right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. We rarely get corners, when other teams play for them. Corners are set peices and are as valuable as free kicks. This is training ground stuff. To be a great manager you have to be able to adapt to your opponents weaknesses, but all we seem to consistently do is let them adapt to ours.Teams play for corners? You sure they are not going for goal and the opposition happen to get it away for a corner.
bruce beckett
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2:09pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Hovite
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2:19pm Mon 20 Feb 12
seagull31 wrote:I am all for the passing game and at the begining of the season we were practicing this cautiously for the right reasons. I sort of thought that in time we would get faster, more accurate, more direct and most importantly get it up to CMS.
7Rookie wrote:Also... our corners are generally pretty awful! Really not much point basing our team plan around those. Hovite - Gus plays in a style and is not going to change that for anyone/anything. I don't disagree though - I have always felt that there is a middle ground between our 'trademark' passing game (often involving endless passing round the back to the keeper, then back again), to a more forward looking passing game. I am not, as yet, a football manager though, so have been unable to put this in to practice.
Hovite wrote: The next 3 games will show us were we will be at the end of the season. What I want to know is, are our players capable of playing the way Gus wants them to, and should we be playing more to our our players strength rather than a specific system. Does just playing one way make us too predictable. There is a good reason why CMS hasn't been scoring freely. We don't manage to get it up to him! When I watch Swansea, who I beleive we are trying to emulate, they work in neat quick triangles all up the pitch. I don't see any of this with us and right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. We rarely get corners, when other teams play for them. Corners are set peices and are as valuable as free kicks. This is training ground stuff. To be a great manager you have to be able to adapt to your opponents weaknesses, but all we seem to consistently do is let them adapt to ours.Teams play for corners? You sure they are not going for goal and the opposition happen to get it away for a corner.
We haven't really progressed and in truth it is a bit like giving birth sometimes. Not that I am fully qualified to back up that statement.
I will feel better once we beat Hull and then Cardiff get a similar battering to us on Saturday.
On the bright side looking back it was a very funny match, even Gus couldn't keep a straight face.
I do think that something good can come out of this battering, just a shame that we had to enter the record books and the top 10 football comedy clips blunders at the same time!
WiseOldSeagull
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2:26pm Mon 20 Feb 12
BHAFC151
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2:44pm Mon 20 Feb 12
s.com/football/news/
11688/7531582/Poyet-
up-for-Spurs-test
Fairfax43
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2:58pm Mon 20 Feb 12
seagull31
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3:08pm Mon 20 Feb 12
BHAFC151 wrote:What's your point? This is just the same story that has been doing the rounds for a few days now. As with a lot of these stories it just comes from Gus speaking his mind.
http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11688/7531582/Poyet- up-for-Spurs-test
Hovite
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3:19pm Mon 20 Feb 12
bruce beckett wrote:Thanks for your lift Fairfax43
I actually agree with Hovite about our style of play. We completely overdo the passing game at the back and everyone has got wise to it now, pushing up on to our defenders. We need to mix it up a bit now; we're too predictable and spend half the game going nowhere.
Hovite
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3:21pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Hovite wrote:Whoops wrong quote sorry bruce
bruce beckett wrote:Thanks for your lift Fairfax43
I actually agree with Hovite about our style of play. We completely overdo the passing game at the back and everyone has got wise to it now, pushing up on to our defenders. We need to mix it up a bit now; we're too predictable and spend half the game going nowhere.
tandseagalsamantha
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3:22pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Weploughandmow wrote:great post, common sense and very insightful. Agree with you 100%. Just hope the players have the sense and capability to put that game down to experience and remember that in the Championship we are unbeaten this year!
We don't yet NEED to be good enough to beat Liverpool at Anfield. We won't need that for many, many years - several years after we get to the Premiership, probably. We need to be good enough to beat Hull, Ipswich, Doncaster - and maybe Southampton and West Ham. Then, when we're good enough to do that regularly and consistently, we'll be ready to move up to the next level and then (and only then) we'll need to be good enough to beat the likes of Bolton, Wolves, Blackburn, Wigan or whoever's in their position at the time. Sunday was enjoyable and the best thing about it is seeing where we might be in the future. In the meantime, let's concentrate on what we need to be doing now and if we get promotion somehow then fine. We may spend a season or two bouncing between Premiership and Championship as we did between League 1 and Championship for a while, but now I feel as though we're where we deserve to be. Wouldn't it be great to be like Newcastle, Sunderland, West Ham, Reading, etc? Not out of the question but you have to eat an elephant bit by bit, not in one mouthful. Patience, my friends. A team is being built for the long term and how great is it to have a manager (and chairman) that has that distance of vision and the sense to put all the pieces in place thoughtfully and systematically. AND delivering great games on any given Saturday afternoon that we win as often as not . . .
BHAFC151
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3:28pm Mon 20 Feb 12
seagull31 wrote:All right. Chill seagull31. I was just posting it so that people who where interested could read it. If you dont wanna read it, then don't comment...im not interested in what you have to say.
BHAFC151 wrote: http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11688/7531582/Poyet- up-for-Spurs-testWhat's your point? This is just the same story that has been doing the rounds for a few days now. As with a lot of these stories it just comes from Gus speaking his mind.
Hovite
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3:35pm Mon 20 Feb 12
BHAFC151 wrote:I think this will be a dream of Gus's for a while longer now.
seagull31 wrote:All right. Chill seagull31. I was just posting it so that people who where interested could read it. If you dont wanna read it, then don't comment...im not interested in what you have to say.
BHAFC151 wrote: http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11688/7531582/Poyet- up-for-Spurs-testWhat's your point? This is just the same story that has been doing the rounds for a few days now. As with a lot of these stories it just comes from Gus speaking his mind.
mikeygit
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3:36pm Mon 20 Feb 12
seagull31
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4:00pm Mon 20 Feb 12
BHAFC151 wrote:Just don't see the point of posting links to old stories, unrelated to the main story. If you are then going to add your own point of view to something, then fine. But all you did was post a link, just seems a bit pointless.
seagull31 wrote:All right. Chill seagull31. I was just posting it so that people who where interested could read it. If you dont wanna read it, then don't comment...im not interested in what you have to say.BHAFC151 wrote: http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11688/7531582/Poyet- up-for-Spurs-testWhat's your point? This is just the same story that has been doing the rounds for a few days now. As with a lot of these stories it just comes from Gus speaking his mind.
amexarena
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4:08pm Mon 20 Feb 12
tinker000
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4:43pm Mon 20 Feb 12
LACHANCE
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4:43pm Mon 20 Feb 12
ballantrrae
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4:43pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Hovite wrote:Hovite and 7Rookie regarding your comments on Gus Poyet's
seagull31 wrote:I am all for the passing game and at the begining of the season we were practicing this cautiously for the right reasons. I sort of thought that in time we would get faster, more accurate, more direct and most importantly get it up to CMS.
7Rookie wrote:Also... our corners are generally pretty awful! Really not much point basing our team plan around those. Hovite - Gus plays in a style and is not going to change that for anyone/anything. I don't disagree though - I have always felt that there is a middle ground between our 'trademark' passing game (often involving endless passing round the back to the keeper, then back again), to a more forward looking passing game. I am not, as yet, a football manager though, so have been unable to put this in to practice.
Hovite wrote: The next 3 games will show us were we will be at the end of the season. What I want to know is, are our players capable of playing the way Gus wants them to, and should we be playing more to our our players strength rather than a specific system. Does just playing one way make us too predictable. There is a good reason why CMS hasn't been scoring freely. We don't manage to get it up to him! When I watch Swansea, who I beleive we are trying to emulate, they work in neat quick triangles all up the pitch. I don't see any of this with us and right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. We rarely get corners, when other teams play for them. Corners are set peices and are as valuable as free kicks. This is training ground stuff. To be a great manager you have to be able to adapt to your opponents weaknesses, but all we seem to consistently do is let them adapt to ours.Teams play for corners? You sure they are not going for goal and the opposition happen to get it away for a corner.
We haven't really progressed and in truth it is a bit like giving birth sometimes. Not that I am fully qualified to back up that statement.
I will feel better once we beat Hull and then Cardiff get a similar battering to us on Saturday.
On the bright side looking back it was a very funny match, even Gus couldn't keep a straight face.
I do think that something good can come out of this battering, just a shame that we had to enter the record books and the top 10 football comedy clips blunders at the same time!
'possession/passing' style the Albion play you are right I feel about the tempo the team play at.
I have noticed that when we up the tempo and get the ball forward to the opposition penalty area quicker not only are we alot more compact but also more dangerous. This was well illustrated in the second half at the first Liverpool game (at the Amex) when we began to dominate. The same could be said of the Leeds game two days later but only after we had gone 2 goals down. Incidently on both occasions CMS looked very sharp.
I suspect that this lack of tempo is down to the fact that some players are slightly lacking technically and feel more comfortable with executing everything more slowly.
Hopefully with the players Poyet has brought in on loan and with Vicente able to make a contribution at least for part of a game we should now be able to play at a faster tempo than we have been.
Taking 7Rookie's point about corners (but ignoring the point about how many) the problem has been the quality of delivery. Bennett was great last season and Vicente this season in the last couple of league games he has played. However all too often free kicks in to danger areas have been disappointing. Again one hopes that the recent recruitment might help. Certainly having Vokes up front seems to have added an extra dimension.
beanyeye
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4:45pm Mon 20 Feb 12
seagull31 wrote:I think the point is that Gus talks too much. First we had how much he loved Leeds and would want to manage there, now its Spurs, wait for the Chelsea charm offensive soon! Does he still think he is equipped after his errors on Sunday to manage in the Prem? I think not!
BHAFC151 wrote:What's your point? This is just the same story that has been doing the rounds for a few days now. As with a lot of these stories it just comes from Gus speaking his mind.
http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11688/7531582/Poyet- up-for-Spurs-test
The Real Ryfish
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4:54pm Mon 20 Feb 12
tinker000 wrote:Yeah, lets give him no credit at all and just repeat what Chris Waddle (incorrectly, IMHO) spouted all match. Brez looked nervous, but he was in front of the Kop, FFS! Still, he only saved a poor penalty from a multimillion pound striker, so sack him.
Bad ,no one has said how BAD our keeper was even if he saved a POOR pen,think Gus needs to look for much better last line of defence.
brightonup
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4:58pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Jimmy Langley wrote:It's obvious that the Noone substitution was a 'heart over head' move. It might also have been a thank-you for the way Noone handled the Cardiff bid.
There is no disgrace in losing to Liverpool at Anfield but what was deeply disappointing was the manner in which we capitulated in the second half. The eventual score could easily have been 8 and that would have been hugely embarrassing. I could understand Gus bringing on M-Smith and Vicente but to withdraw El-Abd and move Noone to left back was reckless. The lessons we will have learned are:- a) We must improve at defending corners. b) We should always start with at least one creative player in midfield. c) We need to press further up the pitch. We gave Liverpool far too much space in midfield in the second half. Personally I do not want to see us promoted this season. We were a much stronger team when we were last promoted to the top division and we struggled to retain our place with a team containing such legends as Ward, Horton, Lawrenson, Foster Stevens and Gregory. The Premiership is even stronger now so let's be patient and continue to improve at a sustainable pace and then make the jump when we are ready to hold our own.
BHAFC151
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4:59pm Mon 20 Feb 12
seagull31 wrote:Ok, ill ty to remember not to do it in future. Sorry.
BHAFC151 wrote:Just don't see the point of posting links to old stories, unrelated to the main story. If you are then going to add your own point of view to something, then fine. But all you did was post a link, just seems a bit pointless.
seagull31 wrote:All right. Chill seagull31. I was just posting it so that people who where interested could read it. If you dont wanna read it, then don't comment...im not interested in what you have to say.BHAFC151 wrote: http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11688/7531582/Poyet- up-for-Spurs-testWhat's your point? This is just the same story that has been doing the rounds for a few days now. As with a lot of these stories it just comes from Gus speaking his mind.
Vince
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5:03pm Mon 20 Feb 12
How many times has a player theatrically juggled the ball on his chest and thigh 6 feet away from the goal line, before accidently knocking it towards and over the line and then clearing the ball from behind the line....3/4 touches of the ball without it at any time touching the ground either before it went into the net or out of it?!!!
Unique in the history of the game I would guess.
Also, it's the first time in 131 years of FA Cup history that one side has scored 3 own goals.
Also the number of times the camera focussed on the Brighton centre back Adam El-Abd and the Liverpool centre forward, Andy Carroll grappling with each other must constitute some sort of record. I would estimate that this happened at least 6 times in the first half alone, and was shown repeatedly afterwards.
El-Abd will be closely watched by referees in future! Any guesses on how many penalties he will concede before the season is out?!!!
Perhaps some more records to be broken!
We have the last laugh from our cup runs, a couple of million quid in the bank, and a number of lessons to be learnt - judging by all the posts since the game.
You gotta laugh sometimes (but cry if your name is Bridcutt, poor chap).
We've had our wings singed by a red mist, but the Seagulls will soon be soaring again! Watch out Hull!
Hovite
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5:05pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Hovite
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5:16pm Mon 20 Feb 12
I wonder if they practice this tactic on the training ground.
dave from bexill
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6:20pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Grendel
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6:35pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Chip of Goring
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6:37pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Ankergren was bad and we thought Brezovan was better after some good performances. However, he just bottled it at Anfield. It will either sort him or Gus will need to bring in the loan goalie from Man City.
falmer seagull
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6:45pm Mon 20 Feb 12
rolivan
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7:23pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Nivek73
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8:43pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Hovite
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8:48pm Mon 20 Feb 12
David Gonzalez
Reyes Greer Dunk Mattock
Bridcutt Assulin Razak Lua Lua
Vokes CMS
Bench
Casper, Caskey. Noone, Barnes, Hall
Hovite
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8:50pm Mon 20 Feb 12
wiltshire seagull
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8:55pm Mon 20 Feb 12
LACHANCE wrote:To be fair mate, re your succinct assessment of our premiership ambitions, I totally agree other than with the timing....
Gus is quite right we are not set up for the top flight yet.We need to build a team that will stay there we dont want to be a one season team like Burnley or Blackpool.To complete with the big clubs it takes money that at the present we don't have.When the extra seats are installed in the Amex and we can fill them every week and the training ground is up and running that's the time to press forward and it will not happen before. 2014-2015 season that will be when.
However, I think it's worth reminding other posters of a few things...
Over the last few months whenever and I mean WHENEVER, anyone (I include myself, MBTS and many others) have dared to question BHA's ability to go straight up into the Premiership, the roof has fallen in on us. Some people that post on these boards have very short memories and get amazingly rude and agressive if they don't like or agree with what people post. I know this sounds like an "I told you so, blah blah" but it isn't at all. I love our club as much as anyone but we have to be patient. Southampton may go up straight away but they wont stay there long. Just have a look at the statistics, newcomers are generally not welcomed for long, are they?
BTW, I,m still hiding at home wondering when it's going to be safe to show my extremely red face down the Pub.:0))
Dr Baldhead
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9:21pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Hovite wrote:Hovite - I seem to remember you poisting after the Newcastle match that you watched the match at home on your telly. I'm interested to know if you went to Anfield on Saturday or indeed watch the Albion live at all?
I just thought I would pick the team for Hull. David Gonzalez Reyes Greer Dunk Mattock Bridcutt Assulin Razak Lua Lua Vokes CMS Bench Casper, Caskey. Noone, Barnes, Hall
What pray tell would you do with El-Abd, Buckley, Barnes, Vicente, Navarro and Sparrow on Wednesday?
Dr Baldhead
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9:47pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Some of our established team will have to make way and I do expect changes on Wednesday, but I don't think we'll see so many players going from first 11 to outside the matchday 16 as you appear to suggest.
beanyeye
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9:52pm Mon 20 Feb 12
rolivan wrote:Apparently the wolves job is not one for a novice. That would seem to rule Gus out - although as we know Gus will talk to anyone about anything, so its complicated.
Wolves are interested in Gus, just read in the DM 7.00pm
seagull31
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9:55pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Dr Baldhead wrote:I dont think Gus will chuck the new guys straight in, I would expect at least one to be on the bench. Surely you give Brez another chance in nets. He didn't cover himself in glory on Sunday but who did! How about KLL, Bridcutt, Razak, Sparrow and Buckley with Vokes (or CMS) up front? I'll go with Hovite's defence. Then Vicente, CMS/Vokes, Vincelot, Assulin and Casper on the bench. Blimey that is hard. Actually it's impossible, we will have to leave some top quality players, and Harley, out of the match day squad!
Hovite wrote:Hovite - I seem to remember you poisting after the Newcastle match that you watched the match at home on your telly. I'm interested to know if you went to Anfield on Saturday or indeed watch the Albion live at all?
I just thought I would pick the team for Hull. David Gonzalez Reyes Greer Dunk Mattock Bridcutt Assulin Razak Lua Lua Vokes CMS Bench Casper, Caskey. Noone, Barnes, Hall
What pray tell would you do with El-Abd, Buckley, Barnes, Vicente, Navarro and Sparrow on Wednesday?
Hovite
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10:06pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Dr Baldhead wrote:If you want to ask me one question at a time I will be happy to answer them but you have given me 8 questions, not because you want answers, but because you want me to defend myself.
Hovite wrote:Hovite - I seem to remember you poisting after the Newcastle match that you watched the match at home on your telly. I'm interested to know if you went to Anfield on Saturday or indeed watch the Albion live at all?
I just thought I would pick the team for Hull. David Gonzalez Reyes Greer Dunk Mattock Bridcutt Assulin Razak Lua Lua Vokes CMS Bench Casper, Caskey. Noone, Barnes, Hall
What pray tell would you do with El-Abd, Buckley, Barnes, Vicente, Navarro and Sparrow on Wednesday?
All I have done above is suggest a fresh selection of players whilst giving others, who have worked hard, a rest. This is no disrespect to any of them.
Who would you like to see start and on the bench against Hull?
Hovite
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10:14pm Mon 20 Feb 12
I am with you with Barnes, he is a trooper, but he deserves a match break. In a good way not for any lack of performance.
seagulljoe
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10:36pm Mon 20 Feb 12
WiseOldSeagull wrote:because of course that makes a difference, as you're awarded a little bit more prize money for losing by less goals aren't you?
If it wasn't for the strange decision to withdraw El-Abd I don't believe we would have lost so heavily. 3-1 would have been the scoreline if not for the 3 own goals brought about by confusion in an unusual defensive setup. Losing 3-1 would have been acceptable and meant we are not too far off being equipped for the premier league.
rolivan
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10:36pm Mon 20 Feb 12
beanyeye wrote:So why the interest if the think he isn't good enough?
rolivan wrote:Apparently the wolves job is not one for a novice. That would seem to rule Gus out - although as we know Gus will talk to anyone about anything, so its complicated.
Wolves are interested in Gus, just read in the DM 7.00pm
seagulljoe
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10:45pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Probably a few JCL's as well, as there's some ridiculous comments re El-Abd. He didn't have a good match yesterday but he tried to cope with multi-million pound strikers as best as he possibly could. He was awesome last season and has been at his best in a lot of games since his come back from injury.
As much as I love him, he's not a Premier League defender so give him a break. He's Brighton through n through and he'd probably be a ball boy if Gus told him that's what he wanted from him.
Bucket feet Duffy
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10:59pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Hovite
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11:06pm Mon 20 Feb 12
Having the job of keeping 6ft 6 Carroll at bay was a mighty task just on height difference alone, I give him credit, he tried every trick in the book. He is a good backup defender.
And yep Bucket feet Duffy; the future is secure and bright!
tooncgull
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12:08am Tue 21 Feb 12
seagulljoe wrote:@Seagulljoe
Lots of new posters the last couple of days; are you gonna comment when we're winning, or do you just like having a good whinge when we've lost? Probably a few JCL's as well, as there's some ridiculous comments re El-Abd. He didn't have a good match yesterday but he tried to cope with multi-million pound strikers as best as he possibly could. He was awesome last season and has been at his best in a lot of games since his come back from injury. As much as I love him, he's not a Premier League defender so give him a break. He's Brighton through n through and he'd probably be a ball boy if Gus told him that's what he wanted from him.
I believe you may be referring to me in the "ridiculous comments" re El-Abd. I'm not a huge fan - i thought he was a man briefly transformed last season, until the injury, but mostly I think he has shortcomings.
Not a JCL ... Season ticket holder since the 90s... wind and rain, in the theatre of trees. Its an opinion.
saraman
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4:43am Tue 21 Feb 12
MikeTheMan
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7:38am Tue 21 Feb 12
seagulljoe
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7:42am Tue 21 Feb 12
MikeTheMan wrote:We're not too badly with that team though!
Looking back at the Liverpool match, we seem to have signed lots of players since the end of last season but our starting eleven at Anfield only contained 2 players (Buckley and Vokes) who weren't here last season. This season is over 6 months old now and none of our new players has made a sustained significant contribution in that time. CMS works hard and runs around a lot but the fact is he hasn't scored the goals we paid a huge amount of money for him to score, Buckley has certainly contributed at times but he has been injured half the time, Hoskins is out on loan, Vicente has hardly played and the loanees haven't played much yet. Despite all the signings we have relied largely on our Division 1 team.
trickymarble
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7:46am Tue 21 Feb 12
seagull31
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8:30am Tue 21 Feb 12
trickymarble wrote:They don't often get the odds wrong, and Gus (according to William Hill) is now joint favourite. However... I personally don't think he'll go for it. Imagine if he 'does a Shearer' and takes them straight down. I just don't think Wolves is attractive enough an offer to go for. Hopefully Brian McDermott will be announced soon!
Looks like Gus could be off to Wolves
seagulljoe
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9:00am Tue 21 Feb 12
tooncgull wrote:Apologies for the JCL comment, as you're obviously not, and it wasn't only aimed at you. I just felt there were a few too many getting on El-Abd's back, and from what they were saying it was if they hadn't seen him previous to the Liverpool game.
seagulljoe wrote:@Seagulljoe
Lots of new posters the last couple of days; are you gonna comment when we're winning, or do you just like having a good whinge when we've lost? Probably a few JCL's as well, as there's some ridiculous comments re El-Abd. He didn't have a good match yesterday but he tried to cope with multi-million pound strikers as best as he possibly could. He was awesome last season and has been at his best in a lot of games since his come back from injury. As much as I love him, he's not a Premier League defender so give him a break. He's Brighton through n through and he'd probably be a ball boy if Gus told him that's what he wanted from him.
I believe you may be referring to me in the "ridiculous comments" re El-Abd. I'm not a huge fan - i thought he was a man briefly transformed last season, until the injury, but mostly I think he has shortcomings.
Not a JCL ... Season ticket holder since the 90s... wind and rain, in the theatre of trees. Its an opinion.
I believe he still has a role to play at Championship level but it's quite likely that he couldn't cut it at PL level - I wish he could though, as I love seeing him in the stripes! Surely more than a brief transformation though, as he has been a completely different player ever since Gus arrived.
And a pint in the Upper West would be good!
Hove Ex-Pat
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11:33am Tue 21 Feb 12
ballantrrae wrote:Thank you Ballantrrae for your wishes.
Hove Ex-Pat wrote: So many managers make such ridiculous comments after losing a game. Not Gus. I admire his honest comments after the game. He & the team will bounce back from this. So after going to "HELL & BACK" on Sunday, get ready for "HULL & BACK" on wednesday. PS, a win would be nice as it's my 63rd birthday.Many Happy Returns for your Birthday on Wednesday Hove Ex-Pat. I hope the Seagulls give you an appropriate present ie a Win ! A number of good realistic yet positive posts on this thread. As someone said either on this report or the Lua Lua scores one, one only learns from one's mistakes. No doubt the Albion and Poyet will learn from theirs. Judging from his comments Poyet seems to be whilst at the same time keeping things in perspective. So Albion a win against Hull to celebrate Hove Ex-Pat's 63rd Birthday !
I hope to wake up on Wednesday to hear that Gus has said no to moving on. Why would he move to a club that's going down, rather than stay with a club that is going up, albeit slowly?
tooncgull
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12:43pm Tue 21 Feb 12
harveys ok? I'm generally near the G entrance before games - generally there 30 mins before. In realiy, not sure how this would work without hundreds coming up claiming to be you though :-) I obviously didnt think this one through!
reggie kray
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9:36am Wed 22 Feb 12
click2find
SelseyBoy says...
10:36am Mon 20 Feb 12
Que armchair managers calling for his head or statiing why we are ready blah blah blah