Poyet says Albion skipper is not for sale (From The Argus)

I consider that an insult rather than an offer.

rolivan wrote:
I consider that an insult rather than an offer.

indeed hehe at least its been cleared up swiftly. Now lets hope we start seeing incoming players. Rather than the other way.

Gus in "saying all the right things" shock!

Excellent

Gordon will be silly to move on for at least another season.

100k!!!??? I can't believe that there are people with less brain cells than HPR!!

Greer is one of our premiership class players. Bids over £ 3.1 million or don’t bother, he should be in the Scotland team.

Well if theres not going to be a contact extension then Gus is prepared to run the contract down to the end of the season when he can go on a Bosman. Doesnt look like he's in Gus's long term plans. No wonder his agent has been active behind the scenes

pte wrote:
Well if theres not going to be a contact extension then Gus is prepared to run the contract down to the end of the season when he can go on a Bosman. Doesnt look like he's in Gus's long term plans. No wonder his agent has been active behind the scenes

Thats how i read this too my friend.
If Gus is looking at GG long term then he really must stop with these silly games and show a little respect to a top class professional.

Sounds like a very generous offer to me for a two bob defender.
Gus will be off very soon to bigger and better things anyway, so what does he care. Maybe he doesn't want to sell him now because Poyet himself will try and sign Greer at his new club.
One thing is for sure, Poyet, Vicente and Greer will be gone before the start of the season. You know I am always right so move on and think bigger and better than these three has-beens.

Sounds like a very generous offer to me for a two bob defender.
Gus will be off very soon to bigger and better things anyway, so what does he care. Maybe he doesn't want to sell him now because Poyet himself will try and sign Greer at his new club.
One thing is for sure, Poyet, Vicente and Greer will be gone before the start of the season. You know I am always right so move on and think bigger and better than these three has-beens.

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SMF20 wrote:

pte wrote:
Well if theres not going to be a contact extension then Gus is prepared to run the contract down to the end of the season when he can go on a Bosman. Doesnt look like he's in Gus's long term plans. No wonder his agent has been active behind the scenes

Thats how i read this too my friend.
If Gus is looking at GG long term then he really must stop with these silly games and show a little respect to a top class professional.

What silly games would they be then?

As I read this GG not going unless really substantial offer is made and Mattock unlikely to come in unless other suitors for his services don't materialise.
Any more news following the Scotsman's report that BHA are having talks with Dundee United's Danny Swanson ?

So many sycophantic ostriches on this site that if you say the bl**ding obvious you get called a troll

HOVEPARKRESIDENT wrote:
Sounds like a very generous offer to me for a two bob defender.
Gus will be off very soon to bigger and better things anyway, so what does he care. Maybe he doesn't want to sell him now because Poyet himself will try and sign Greer at his new club.
One thing is for sure, Poyet, Vicente and Greer will be gone before the start of the season. You know I am always right so move on and think bigger and better than these three has-beens.

So he's a two-bob defender, but when Gus goes on to bigger and better things he'll try and sign him!

Very, very poor trolling!!

seagulljoe wrote:

SMF20 wrote:

pte wrote:
Well if theres not going to be a contact extension then Gus is prepared to run the contract down to the end of the season when he can go on a Bosman. Doesnt look like he's in Gus's long term plans. No wonder his agent has been active behind the scenes

Thats how i read this too my friend.
If Gus is looking at GG long term then he really must stop with these silly games and show a little respect to a top class professional.

What silly games would they be then?

Its each to their own view of course but the way i see it is that Gus states it would take a huge offer to entice him to sell GG but then goes on to say that he wont be talking about a new deal with this man of worth even though he has only 1 year left on is contract. i would call this game playing.
We are all entitled to our opinion.

Poyet, greer, and vicente to stay, guaranteed. Quality attracts quality. Onwards and upwards.

pte wrote:
So many sycophantic ostriches on this site that if you say the bl**ding obvious you get called a troll

Don't see anyone calling you a troll (as this is frequently used after HPR's posts I think we can safely assume who it was intended for) but then again nor do I agree with your comments. I guess I must be an ostrich.

What Gus does appear to say is that he won't be selling Greer unless someone comes in with a silly offer and clearly that needs to be well above £100K - my guess would be more than 5 times that. He also says he won't discuss any contract extensions at the moment. He is seeking to bring new players in and may then have to sell some existing contracted players. Once all that is done there is time to discuss contract extensions but sensibly that is unlikely to be until the new season is well under way. That is what we did last year with Bridcutt and Barnes. It is the practice for most clubs unless the player is indicating at this stage that they might not renew and therefore need to be sold to maximise income. What Gus seems to be indicating is that none of those whose contracts are up next year have so far said that they don't want to stay.
Regarding Mattock, my reading would be that he is saying to the player's agent that he wont be held to ransom and he will be aware that there is some genuine interest from elsewhere and some being hyped up. What he is also saying is that we are after the player and for once without raising heightened expectation. Ah well. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't I guess.

I cannot for one moment understand why Barnsley would table such a ludicrous offer and expect to be taken seriously! Less than 100k, someone must have missed some noughts off by mistake, surely?

to get back on subject though..............
. I am amazed that Hill has made such a derisory offer, clearly undervaluing the player's market value even in his own fans' estimation let alone ours. To get it quite so spectacularly wrong is unusual, even in football. Mind you, saying that, Cardiff offered what £300K for Noone in January and that rose to £1.7m and was still turned down.

There are a lot of players being released by Premiership clubs. They will not all find other clubs in the Premiership so there will be players looking to find a club in the lower tiers.

Bob! wrote:

HOVEPARKRESIDENT wrote:
Sounds like a very generous offer to me for a two bob defender.
Gus will be off very soon to bigger and better things anyway, so what does he care. Maybe he doesn't want to sell him now because Poyet himself will try and sign Greer at his new club.
One thing is for sure, Poyet, Vicente and Greer will be gone before the start of the season. You know I am always right so move on and think bigger and better than these three has-beens.

So he's a two-bob defender, but when Gus goes on to bigger and better things he'll try and sign him!

Very, very poor trolling!!

You obviously have some serious issues that you don't understand English.
Bigger and better things refer to a Premier League club that he will end up at to the disappointment of their fans. Then the two bob manager will sign the two bob defender. Then they will inflict misery on whatever club it may be.
Think about it........... yes I think you may have got it....go on.....go on........maybe not!
Stick to the Beano mate.

farside wrote:
to get back on subject though..............

. I am amazed that Hill has made such a derisory offer, clearly undervaluing the player's market value even in his own fans' estimation let alone ours. To get it quite so spectacularly wrong is unusual, even in football. Mind you, saying that, Cardiff offered what £300K for Noone in January and that rose to £1.7m and was still turned down.

Wow! Did Cardiff really offer 1.7 mill for Noone? I like the player, and his ability to run at defenders, however, his final ball is awful! To me that does not look a bad offer now!

What Gus is really saying is that he will not be negociating a new contract with Gordon BECAUSE of the Barnsley offer - he's not saying no to a contract, but in his own good time, along with the rest of the players
Waiting with baited breath for new signings - any concrete, not speculative rumours?

This chap from Dundee United looks interesting. Just googled him and he is quoted as saying that he wants to head south of the border and try his luck in the championship despite Hibs wanting to sign him. Hes only 26 and got a Scottish cap last October before getting injured. Looks promising.

Scariest comment of all?.... 'Mattock being considered as cover for Painter'.... We should all pack up and go home now if he can't dislodge Painter.

Danny Swanson from Dundee, Looks tough but he is only 5ft 5in small.

I remember Gus saying last year that players should have confidence in themselves. Too long a contract leads to complacency. They should have the confidence in themselves to say, we go to the end of the season, see where we are and then talk about contracts. I read that as, why tie yourself in to a 2 or 3 year contract, on Championship wages, when next year we could be a Premiership club. Keep your options open.

As for the ludicrous offer from Barnsley. We think the world of him but look at the situation. 29 years old, one year left on his contract and you don't open with your best bid. Dare say their fans are happy that they are bidding for a top teams players!

Interesting news about Danny Swanson at Dundee. In the Scottish squad last October along with CMS you say? On a free? Nothing dodgy there, I'm sure. Joey Mattock is in the same situation. He knows what we are about but has to look after himself first. The best offer wins basically.

100k hahahahaha.
Barnsley, what are they like!

Ken in Spain wrote:
I remember Gus saying last year that players should have confidence in themselves. Too long a contract leads to complacency. They should have the confidence in themselves to say, we go to the end of the season, see where we are and then talk about contracts. I read that as, why tie yourself in to a 2 or 3 year contract, on Championship wages, when next year we could be a Premiership club. Keep your options open.

As for the ludicrous offer from Barnsley. We think the world of him but look at the situation. 29 years old, one year left on his contract and you don't open with your best bid. Dare say their fans are happy that they are bidding for a top teams players!

Interesting news about Danny Swanson at Dundee. In the Scottish squad last October along with CMS you say? On a free? Nothing dodgy there, I'm sure. Joey Mattock is in the same situation. He knows what we are about but has to look after himself first. The best offer wins basically.

He is actually nearly 32 so maybe that is why.Also on reading about Him He hasn't played a lot of football for His age most of his games have been in the last 3-4 years

farside wrote:
to get back on subject though..............

. I am amazed that Hill has made such a derisory offer, clearly undervaluing the player's market value even in his own fans' estimation let alone ours. To get it quite so spectacularly wrong is unusual, even in football. Mind you, saying that, Cardiff offered what £300K for Noone in January and that rose to £1.7m and was still turned down.

and Noone was quickly tied down to a longer term contract to keep predators at bay. But to not offer GG a longer contract with the possibility of him going at the end of the season is a green light to bidders. Even if he stays, all the time he's on a short term contract he's going to pull out of tackles. He could get injured next season and have no chance of getting a decent contract either with BHA or anyone else

Firstly I'm gobsmacked Mattock is only considered by Gus as cover for Painter. Bang goes any chance of signing an excellent left back who will bridge the gulf between Championship and Premier League football. Easliy the best loan signing we had this season.

GG has a year left on his contract, which is the reason BFC have bid £100k. Transfer deals are normally structured around the remaining value of a player's contract, unless you're bidding at the top end of the market.

Centre back is the position where we have a great deal of depth in the squad. I for one wouldn't mind seeing GG moved on, as at times his defending was incredibly poor this season.

Before you all jump on my comment I watched all home games and a dozen away games so did see a fair bit of him.

Can't any of you read? The article clearly says to cover or challenge Painter. We all know its to 'replace', the paper is just rightfully being respectful to Painter who will be a sub at best (would go for Vincelot over him personally) or will probably get sold

we need to keep all our decent players for the season ahead. and bring in more. Gus has unfinished business with us, and i believe he will stay at least one more season.

Whatever Gus says, some of us try to see some hidden meaning in it. No wonder he is not saying much to feed the press at the moment.
As for Barnsley, well, they are Yorkshire, good hearted people, who like to try for a bargain..... 'summat for nowt, thar knows'!

Bob! wrote:

HOVEPARKRESIDENT wrote:
Sounds like a very generous offer to me for a two bob defender.
Gus will be off very soon to bigger and better things anyway, so what does he care. Maybe he doesn't want to sell him now because Poyet himself will try and sign Greer at his new club.
One thing is for sure, Poyet, Vicente and Greer will be gone before the start of the season. You know I am always right so move on and think bigger and better than these three has-beens.

So he's a two-bob defender, but when Gus goes on to bigger and better things he'll try and sign him!

Very, very poor trolling!!

I will remember the Residue prediction quote that Gus, Greer and Vicente will be off before the start of next season.

GG won't be leaving us too soon, Apart from Barnsley with all respect to them no shouts for him yet. G P has obviously learned how to play a good game of poker never show your hand till the last call. IMHO there's plenty going on behind the scenes. T B has invested too much to let things slide. Except the rumour mill for what it is. We will have a strong squad kicking off next season.

SMF20 wrote:

seagulljoe wrote:

SMF20 wrote:

pte wrote:
Well if theres not going to be a contact extension then Gus is prepared to run the contract down to the end of the season when he can go on a Bosman. Doesnt look like he's in Gus's long term plans. No wonder his agent has been active behind the scenes

Thats how i read this too my friend.
If Gus is looking at GG long term then he really must stop with these silly games and show a little respect to a top class professional.

What silly games would they be then?

Its each to their own view of course but the way i see it is that Gus states it would take a huge offer to entice him to sell GG but then goes on to say that he wont be talking about a new deal with this man of worth even though he has only 1 year left on is contract. i would call this game playing.
We are all entitled to our opinion.

I reckon it's more the agents that play games - trying to get other clubs to bid for their players in order to for the club that 'owns' the player to offer a new, more lucrative, contract.

chrisg2000 wrote:
Firstly I'm gobsmacked Mattock is only considered by Gus as cover for Painter. Bang goes any chance of signing an excellent left back who will bridge the gulf between Championship and Premier League football. Easliy the best loan signing we had this season.

GG has a year left on his contract, which is the reason BFC have bid £100k. Transfer deals are normally structured around the remaining value of a player's contract, unless you're bidding at the top end of the market.

Centre back is the position where we have a great deal of depth in the squad. I for one wouldn't mind seeing GG moved on, as at times his defending was incredibly poor this season.

Before you all jump on my comment I watched all home games and a dozen away games so did see a fair bit of him.

Gordon Greer - the big Scot, centre-back, our captain, one of the best defenders in the championship...just trying to jog your memory because I think you may have been talking about the wrong player!

Does a bid have to have any credibility to be called an offer?
If we try to tempt Drogba away from Chelsea for a million, will it make the news in West London?

I have have more confidence in us securing GG's services for at least another season, than some who have commented here.
As with the managerial situation, we are never going to have all the i's dotted and the t's crossed, - football isn't like that.
I suggest that those who require constant reassurance, learn to live with the uncertainty.

seagulljoe wrote:

chrisg2000 wrote:
Firstly I'm gobsmacked Mattock is only considered by Gus as cover for Painter. Bang goes any chance of signing an excellent left back who will bridge the gulf between Championship and Premier League football. Easliy the best loan signing we had this season.

GG has a year left on his contract, which is the reason BFC have bid £100k. Transfer deals are normally structured around the remaining value of a player's contract, unless you're bidding at the top end of the market.

Centre back is the position where we have a great deal of depth in the squad. I for one wouldn't mind seeing GG moved on, as at times his defending was incredibly poor this season.

Before you all jump on my comment I watched all home games and a dozen away games so did see a fair bit of him.

Gordon Greer - the big Scot, centre-back, our captain, one of the best defenders in the championship...just trying to jog your memory because I think you may have been talking about the wrong player!

Still waiting for a retraction from Chrisg2000, - ''Oh THAT Gordon Greer!''

gordongull wrote:

seagulljoe wrote:

chrisg2000 wrote:
Firstly I'm gobsmacked Mattock is only considered by Gus as cover for Painter. Bang goes any chance of signing an excellent left back who will bridge the gulf between Championship and Premier League football. Easliy the best loan signing we had this season.

GG has a year left on his contract, which is the reason BFC have bid £100k. Transfer deals are normally structured around the remaining value of a player's contract, unless you're bidding at the top end of the market.

Centre back is the position where we have a great deal of depth in the squad. I for one wouldn't mind seeing GG moved on, as at times his defending was incredibly poor this season.

Before you all jump on my comment I watched all home games and a dozen away games so did see a fair bit of him.

Gordon Greer - the big Scot, centre-back, our captain, one of the best defenders in the championship...just trying to jog your memory because I think you may have been talking about the wrong player!

Still waiting for a retraction from Chrisg2000, - ''Oh THAT Gordon Greer!''

I'm not sure Greer is actually one of the best defenders in the championship... But probably the best in our team, and def worth more than 100k

GordonGull I assume you are GG's agent using the tag as one of the best defenders in the Championship to describe him? I didn't see much of this quality away at West Ham!
GG has his strengths i.e. Carrying the ball out from the back as Gus likes it. But when you need him to get involved with the hard nitty gritty side of defending he will shy away from it.
Centre forwards dominate him, he doesn't impose his size and strength when required.
Take a look at Notts Forest's equaliser and how poor a challenge he made for the header which was knocked down to Lynch.
I suggest you watch GG closely next season and you will start to pick up on areas of his game which don't make him one of the best defenders in the Championship.

chrisg2000 wrote:
GordonGull I assume you are GG's agent using the tag as one of the best defenders in the Championship to describe him? I didn't see much of this quality away at West Ham!
GG has his strengths i.e. Carrying the ball out from the back as Gus likes it. But when you need him to get involved with the hard nitty gritty side of defending he will shy away from it.
Centre forwards dominate him, he doesn't impose his size and strength when required.
Take a look at Notts Forest's equaliser and how poor a challenge he made for the header which was knocked down to Lynch.
I suggest you watch GG closely next season and you will start to pick up on areas of his game which don't make him one of the best defenders in the Championship.

That wasn't my comment, Chrisg2000, but only seven sides conceded fewer league goals in the division last season, and GG' was an integral part of that defence.
I agree with your comment about Mattock, but the assessment of Greer did surprise me.

gordongull wrote:

chrisg2000 wrote:
GordonGull I assume you are GG's agent using the tag as one of the best defenders in the Championship to describe him? I didn't see much of this quality away at West Ham!
GG has his strengths i.e. Carrying the ball out from the back as Gus likes it. But when you need him to get involved with the hard nitty gritty side of defending he will shy away from it.
Centre forwards dominate him, he doesn't impose his size and strength when required.
Take a look at Notts Forest's equaliser and how poor a challenge he made for the header which was knocked down to Lynch.
I suggest you watch GG closely next season and you will start to pick up on areas of his game which don't make him one of the best defenders in the Championship.

That wasn't my comment, Chrisg2000, but only seven sides conceded fewer league goals in the division last season, and GG' was an integral part of that defence.
I agree with your comment about Mattock, but the assessment of Greer did surprise me.

But one of the reasons we conceded relatively few goals is that we stacked the midfield. There were a lot of reasons for that, but ultimately came down to a number of weaknesses - gk, def and mid. This obviously cost us in terms of goals scored. That aside, we are relatively strong at centre back (depending on what happens with Dunk as well as Elphick's recovery from injury) and there are def much bigger priorities.

think we should keep greer until the end of his contract as a backup for elphick and dunk

chrisg2000 wrote:
GordonGull I assume you are GG's agent using the tag as one of the best defenders in the Championship to describe him? I didn't see much of this quality away at West Ham!
GG has his strengths i.e. Carrying the ball out from the back as Gus likes it. But when you need him to get involved with the hard nitty gritty side of defending he will shy away from it.
Centre forwards dominate him, he doesn't impose his size and strength when required.
Take a look at Notts Forest's equaliser and how poor a challenge he made for the header which was knocked down to Lynch.
I suggest you watch GG closely next season and you will start to pick up on areas of his game which don't make him one of the best defenders in the Championship.

What I see is GG being a very clever defender that does the work of stopping the attack without having to throw himself into challenges constantly.

The complete opposite to AEA, which is why they work so well together.