Poyet calls for transfer window shake-up (From The Argus)

There`s that dirty word again"Agent`s" Can`t fault the logic behind Gus` arguement,all the required pieces of the jigsaw should be in place ahead of the opening game.Player`s want the best deal they can get,but they must know their preferance from the start.If we don`t wrap up the signing of a striker before the end of August it will be another month before he fit`s in,by which time it could be the difference between getting off to flyer or playing catch-up.It would be nice to see player`s take some responsiblity away from agent`s and think for themselve`s! Go on Gus get stuck in! UTA

I read this report on the club website yesterday.
Whilst I have some sympathy for Poyet's current frustrations the scenario he faces is not exactly new and is one the club (David Burke) need to deal with.
Echoes of last season with Buckley, Hoskins and LuaLua all carrying injuries to one degree or another and Poyet once again looking for a striker.
If memory serves me right he tried to sign Paynter from Leeds as the window closed fortunately without success. The rabbitt he did pull out of the hat of course was Vicente. Very much 'deja vu' so don't be surprised by another unanticipated arrival.
Pleased that 2 out of our 3 top striking targets are still available - I assume the third was the Uruguayan Ribas. Any thoughts Captain Haddock, Hovite, Gordongull and others as to whom they might be ?
Hopefully we will also see another CB joining and possibly a midfielder (either someone like Balmy or Judge or a midfield powerhouse type).
Thank goodness for TV which means I can watch tonight's match. After non stop sport for the last 2 weeks with the Olympics here in London, I need to return to the normal fare !

tug509 wrote:
There`s that dirty word again"Agent`s" Can`t fault the logic behind Gus` arguement,all the required pieces of the jigsaw should be in place ahead of the opening game.Player`s want the best deal they can get,but they must know their preferance from the start.If we don`t wrap up the signing of a striker before the end of August it will be another month before he fit`s in,by which time it could be the difference between getting off to flyer or playing catch-up.It would be nice to see player`s take some responsiblity away from agent`s and think for themselve`s! Go on Gus get stuck in! UTA

Yep, I agree with all the above! If a player doesn't want to sign straight away and play for the club from the start of the season,then it's bloody obvious he's not bothered about club or future team mates. Crofts is the opposite to this and good on him...give me players with the passion of people like El Abd over alot of the salary chasers any day!

Conelli98 wrote:

tug509 wrote:
There`s that dirty word again"Agent`s" Can`t fault the logic behind Gus` arguement,all the required pieces of the jigsaw should be in place ahead of the opening game.Player`s want the best deal they can get,but they must know their preferance from the start.If we don`t wrap up the signing of a striker before the end of August it will be another month before he fit`s in,by which time it could be the difference between getting off to flyer or playing catch-up.It would be nice to see player`s take some responsiblity away from agent`s and think for themselve`s! Go on Gus get stuck in! UTA

Yep, I agree with all the above! If a player doesn't want to sign straight away and play for the club from the start of the season,then it's bloody obvious he's not bothered about club or future team mates. Crofts is the opposite to this and good on him...give me players with the passion of people like El Abd over alot of the salary chasers any day!

100%

You have to remember though.. we support this club (we are passionate about it) a club to a player is their employer. 9 out of 10 times a player would not choose to go to a club as they are passionate about it. They go to a club which will give them a chance to reach their goals (whether it be winning Champs league.. winning div 2 or even just getting a regular game), maybe a good manager, set up and stadium BUT most importantly a club that can give them security for them and family (good contract terms, pay and packages). How many players do we have that were "albion fans" and came here as it was their dream to play in the mighty stripes!??! I know we all like to think that is the case.. but in reality its not! Even Adam Elabd is actually a Notts Forest Fan (but he loves his home town club and plays with pride and passion). Kuipers is a legend and clearly loves the club.. but he came here as the timing was right 12 years ago (and prob looked like a great opportunity). Even Bobby Z left us and ended up going to his childhood heroes!
So as much as we like to think players want to play for us - unfortunately if Palace are willing to pay more (Glenn Murray) then you know what is going to happen.. whether a passionate player/fan/journeyma
n footballer.. It boils down to the contract (and we all know who sorts that out for players dont we..)

“They keep going and going, then you get to the 31st and if you don't have the player then maybe deals always go through in the last few minutes. Somebody is winning, somebody is losing.”

A bit like the CMS scenario last year when we effectively hijacked him at the airport in order to get his signature - some ya win some ya lose.

Agree with all the above and would like to add, in line with Gus, that it is detrimental to all clubs for players not joining before the season kicks off. Crofts got this timing perfect and I can only respect him for that.

I hope that any players who are holding out on last minute dot com end up without a club to go to when the transfer deadline closes.

Interesting debate above and I can see both sides. One point I'd raise is how we courted Ryan Harley last year - at first it didn't seem certain that he fancied BHA but we arranged for him to be at the Cardiff game, we had a stormer and he saw something he fancied being a part of. Unfortunately however he never displayed that raw passion of a player giving his all for his team.

Yes players have to safeguard their interests, but I hope that the club is becoming adept at picking up the less than positive vibes of some of the mercenaries out there and drops its interest in such cases.

Many of the best players we have jumped at the chance of joining us - Buckley, Greer, Bridcutt for example - and it shows when they play. Brighton & Hove is a great city, Sussex is made up of two beautiful counties, BHAFC is a club on the up and the Amex is officially the best new build stadium in the world. If any player and his agent needs weeks or as it seems in this case, months to commit to the club, perhaps he's not the player we want in any case!

Offer the player what you can afford and tell him if he doesnt sign within 48 hours thats it and walk away. To do otherwise smacks of desperation and is no good in the long run.

Saul G P Tong wrote:
“They keep going and going, then you get to the 31st and if you don't have the player then maybe deals always go through in the last few minutes. Somebody is winning, somebody is losing.”

A bit like the CMS scenario last year when we effectively hijacked him at the airport in order to get his signature - some ya win some ya lose.

Sorry Saul but i can remember CMS on the box descibing the circumstances that led to him choosing us over ,amongst other`s West Ham and Liecester.He stated that Gus told him to look at what we were offering and make his own choice,and we were the club he chose.We most deffinately did not hijack him.Seperately it is amazing how many ex Seagull`s player`s choose to remain living in or around the Brighton area,and to keep connection`s with us.UTA

Dr baldhead and pte ,if only they would see it that way.Can never hear too many compliment`s for OUR Great City,Beautiful County,Magnificent Stadium and the blood that run`s through the vein`s..B.H.A.F.C. Don`t get me started!UTA

There is no doubt that the majority of players once they are here will love it (compare it to some of the other clubs within our wage structure). Also, look at who we have managed to attract (Bruno would not have come if his best mate Vicente had not have put in a good word). We have a lot of players that are still connected - look at the ones that now work for the club/in the community etc.
The problem is - GETTING THEM HERE in the first place!! Yes we have a nice new ground (so do Doncaster) Yes we have a great night life (so does Sheffield) We have a nice beach (so does Blackpool) We have a great manager and board etc etc.. but the key is the "PACKAGE". Why should i move my family 200 miles to a place i dont know, with people i dont know in the hope it will work out. If the money is good.. then that is a start. We would all do the same i am sure..
Tommy Elphick is a brighton fan and loves the club.. but opportunity for first team football (and a good deal) came up in Bournemouth... what did he do???

Typical!! Descent thread and i`ve got to go somewhere!

It is the same for every club, I can see the piont but players need agents they cannot be expected to read,understand
all the little clauses put in the contract by the clubs lawyers.Things have changed since the Bosman ruling.If Bha were still at Withdean I could understand nobody wanting to come down south,but now brand new stadium,a good wealthy ENGLISH chairman,the team doing well in the championship(last season),record support(season ticket holders).Why would a player not want to give the seagulls a try.

it doesn't seem to stop other teams signing players....
Simon Cox has joined Nottingham Forest for an undisclosed fee from West Brom,
the Barclays Premier League club have confirmed.
The Republic of Ireland striker, who scored 18 goals in 79 appearances after
joining Albion in 2009, has put to pen to paper on a three-year deal at the City
Ground after passing a medical.
..... and it's not as if there isn't a big wide world out there to go and sign a player or two.... stop talking and start signing...?

tug509 wrote:

Saul G P Tong wrote: “They keep going and going, then you get to the 31st and if you don't have the player then maybe deals always go through in the last few minutes. Somebody is winning, somebody is losing.” A bit like the CMS scenario last year when we effectively hijacked him at the airport in order to get his signature - some ya win some ya lose.

Sorry Saul but i can remember CMS on the box descibing the circumstances that led to him choosing us over ,amongst other`s West Ham and Liecester.He stated that Gus told him to look at what we were offering and make his own choice,and we were the club he chose.We most deffinately did not hijack him.Seperately it is amazing how many ex Seagull`s player`s choose to remain living in or around the Brighton area,and to keep connection`s with us.UTA

Oh right, that was just what I had heard at the time- thanks for clearing that up.

With Lukaku now off to WBA Chris Woods is now available. Think about it. Knock down price, good height, strength and presence in the box. Experience in the Championship with Bristol City and knowledge of the Seagulls' style of play but no experience of playing alongside CMS... Maybe the ideal target man and foil for our CMS who did a great interview on TalkSport this morning. No hint of an unsettled dressing room. Interested to hear your constructive thoughts...

When you look at what is being put together right now, the quality we have and the quality you hope to get, we might see a possible problem in signing certain players.
Older and experienced players, those that we might get from the Prem teams might see us as promotion candidates and if we make that next move, they might wonder what happens to them. Could we keep an older player if we get promotion or would we let them go as we would need younger and fitter players.
The younger players we might get would love the idea of Brighton entering the Prem but would they be good enough or would they too be shown the exit door once promotion has been gained. If you look at the length of the contracts we give out you can see my point.
I am thinking that Gus would be better off trying to sign quality players, aged between 23 to 28, on loan with a view to buy should we get promoted. These players would be from Prem clubs and at a level that the clubs don't want to lose them but do want them to get regular first team soccor.

pte wrote:
Offer the player what you can afford and tell him if he doesnt sign within 48 hours thats it and walk away. To do otherwise smacks of desperation and is no good in the long run.

Spot on.

Dr Baldhead wrote:
Interesting debate above and I can see both sides. One point I'd raise is how we courted Ryan Harley last year - at first it didn't seem certain that he fancied BHA but we arranged for him to be at the Cardiff game, we had a stormer and he saw something he fancied being a part of. Unfortunately however he never displayed that raw passion of a player giving his all for his team.

Yes players have to safeguard their interests, but I hope that the club is becoming adept at picking up the less than positive vibes of some of the mercenaries out there and drops its interest in such cases.

Many of the best players we have jumped at the chance of joining us - Buckley, Greer, Bridcutt for example - and it shows when they play. Brighton & Hove is a great city, Sussex is made up of two beautiful counties, BHAFC is a club on the up and the Amex is officially the best new build stadium in the world. If any player and his agent needs weeks or as it seems in this case, months to commit to the club, perhaps he's not the player we want in any case!

I agree Dr B as I also do with Pte's posting immediately below yours.
One comment. The club know what the 'game' is since it's the same every year and I expect them to be able to anticipate these problems and deal with them.
Marlon Brando in The Godfather got it right by making 'offers that couldn't be refused' !

According to Sky Leeds are closing in on CMS!

Sorry old news. Followed a Twitter link and thought it was today. Ho Hum. Doh.

I listen to Talk Sport while driving and as much as l can see where GP is coming from on this l haven't heard other mangers or sports reporters even bringing up the subject.

I know GP isn't going to just bring in a player for the sake of it but am starting to think he's using it as an excuse to why we haven't signed the amount of players he wants in, he should of learnt from the same problem at the start of last season surely.

Looking at Sky Transfer Centre other teams in the Championship don't seem to be having much of a problem signing players, ok yes not the ones GP is looking for maybe but our first game is tonight with one fit regular striker available!

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
With Lukaku now off to WBA Chris Woods is now available. Think about it. Knock down price, good height, strength and presence in the box. Experience in the Championship with Bristol City and knowledge of the Seagulls' style of play but no experience of playing alongside CMS... Maybe the ideal target man and foil for our CMS who did a great interview on TalkSport this morning. No hint of an unsettled dressing room. Interested to hear your constructive thoughts...

I mentioned this on here yesterday but it was treated with derision, they described Woods as a Donkey etc.

I thought he did OK with us last time he was with us, but what do I know?

As you suggest, perfect for CMS.

DC Hove wrote:
You have to remember though.. we support this club (we are passionate about it) a club to a player is their employer. 9 out of 10 times a player would not choose to go to a club as they are passionate about it. They go to a club which will give them a chance to reach their goals (whether it be winning Champs league.. winning div 2 or even just getting a regular game), maybe a good manager, set up and stadium BUT most importantly a club that can give them security for them and family (good contract terms, pay and packages). How many players do we have that were "albion fans" and came here as it was their dream to play in the mighty stripes!??! I know we all like to think that is the case.. but in reality its not! Even Adam Elabd is actually a Notts Forest Fan (but he loves his home town club and plays with pride and passion). Kuipers is a legend and clearly loves the club.. but he came here as the timing was right 12 years ago (and prob looked like a great opportunity). Even Bobby Z left us and ended up going to his childhood heroes!
So as much as we like to think players want to play for us - unfortunately if Palace are willing to pay more (Glenn Murray) then you know what is going to happen.. whether a passionate player/fan/journeyma

n footballer.. It boils down to the contract (and we all know who sorts that out for players dont we..)

DC HOVE, when in Nottingham it's Nottingham Forest and Notts County, you will upset the natives if you say Notts Forest! I do agree on alot of what you said so can we just agree on getting rid of agents as they cause most of the problems with players and transfers.

Sorry.. Writing on a blackberry - so trying to abbreviate where pos (sible)...! Having lived in Derby for a couple of years - i know how upset the locals can get!!
So from all of this - i think we can all agree that the agents are the root of all evil and need to be stopped. Should be interesting watching some of the pro footballers trying to tie up a contract on their own though. It would be great to see the old fashioned Manager/Player one on one conversations happening again ("you sign here for 5 years son and i will make sure your missus has the latest fridge/freezer"). However, i am not too sure as to whether footy managers even have that capability any more (thus why we have legal staff, head of football/scouting/ma
naging directors as well as the chairman and board - and then the manager or Head Coach as some like to be referred too.. ) Just look at Harry Redknapp with his inability to read or write.. but amazing knack at ruining the business side of many a football club.
If a football club has all this legal clout and business know how.. who does a player have??? unfortunately... his agent...

DC Hove wrote:
Sorry.. Writing on a blackberry - so trying to abbreviate where pos (sible)...! Having lived in Derby for a couple of years - i know how upset the locals can get!!
So from all of this - i think we can all agree that the agents are the root of all evil and need to be stopped. Should be interesting watching some of the pro footballers trying to tie up a contract on their own though. It would be great to see the old fashioned Manager/Player one on one conversations happening again ("you sign here for 5 years son and i will make sure your missus has the latest fridge/freezer"). However, i am not too sure as to whether footy managers even have that capability any more (thus why we have legal staff, head of football/scouting/ma

naging directors as well as the chairman and board - and then the manager or Head Coach as some like to be referred too.. ) Just look at Harry Redknapp with his inability to read or write.. but amazing knack at ruining the business side of many a football club.
If a football club has all this legal clout and business know how.. who does a player have??? unfortunately... his agent...

Alot of modern footballers have trouble tieing up their own boot laces,let alone a contract...bless them!

On a slightly different note have just watched a couple of Tommy Elphick tributes on the Seagulls site

ballantrrae wrote:
I read this report on the club website yesterday. Whilst I have some sympathy for Poyet's current frustrations the scenario he faces is not exactly new and is one the club (David Burke) need to deal with. Echoes of last season with Buckley, Hoskins and LuaLua all carrying injuries to one degree or another and Poyet once again looking for a striker. If memory serves me right he tried to sign Paynter from Leeds as the window closed fortunately without success. The rabbitt he did pull out of the hat of course was Vicente. Very much 'deja vu' so don't be surprised by another unanticipated arrival. Pleased that 2 out of our 3 top striking targets are still available - I assume the third was the Uruguayan Ribas. Any thoughts Captain Haddock, Hovite, Gordongull and others as to whom they might be ? Hopefully we will also see another CB joining and possibly a midfielder (either someone like Balmy or Judge or a midfield powerhouse type). Thank goodness for TV which means I can watch tonight's match. After non stop sport for the last 2 weeks with the Olympics here in London, I need to return to the normal fare !

Another London seagull, eh? You should pop along to a Seagulls Over London meeting some time, old chap!

Cardiffcgull wrote:

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
With Lukaku now off to WBA Chris Woods is now available. Think about it. Knock down price, good height, strength and presence in the box. Experience in the Championship with Bristol City and knowledge of the Seagulls' style of play but no experience of playing alongside CMS... Maybe the ideal target man and foil for our CMS who did a great interview on TalkSport this morning. No hint of an unsettled dressing room. Interested to hear your constructive thoughts...

I mentioned this on here yesterday but it was treated with derision, they described Woods as a Donkey etc.

I thought he did OK with us last time he was with us, but what do I know?

As you suggest, perfect for CMS.

Aha my little welsh friend, you missed the vital ingredient in your posting... you must ask only for constructive comments... Failure to do so leaves the door open for every brainless nerd to insult you (and sadly this site has more than its fair share...). In future you should choose your words very carefully if you believe you have made a valid contribution. (This does not of course mean that your opinion is, in the eyes of others, correct but that at least you have made it in good faith and that you have the right to freedom of expression without derision and insult...). Oh dear... Roll on tonight - summertime blues striking again...!!!

Mark Dixon wrote:
I listen to Talk Sport while driving and as much as l can see where GP is coming from on this l haven't heard other mangers or sports reporters even bringing up the subject. I know GP isn't going to just bring in a player for the sake of it but am starting to think he's using it as an excuse to why we haven't signed the amount of players he wants in, he should of learnt from the same problem at the start of last season surely. Looking at Sky Transfer Centre other teams in the Championship don't seem to be having much of a problem signing players, ok yes not the ones GP is looking for maybe but our first game is tonight with one fit regular striker available!

What would you suggest Gus should do differently to learn from last season?

Cardiffcgull wrote:

Jonathan Mouette wrote:
With Lukaku now off to WBA Chris Woods is now available. Think about it. Knock down price, good height, strength and presence in the box. Experience in the Championship with Bristol City and knowledge of the Seagulls' style of play but no experience of playing alongside CMS... Maybe the ideal target man and foil for our CMS who did a great interview on TalkSport this morning. No hint of an unsettled dressing room. Interested to hear your constructive thoughts...

I mentioned this on here yesterday but it was treated with derision, they described Woods as a Donkey etc.

I thought he did OK with us last time he was with us, but what do I know?

As you suggest, perfect for CMS.

The debate on Chris Woods may be academic since I have seen a 'rumour' that he is joining Charlton.
I have also seen postings/rumours saying he is joining Bristol City and others that he is joining the Albion.
Looks as if his agent is trying to generate interest in his client.
Talking about agents whom I know enjoy a 'mixed press' I think it is only fair to point out many do an excellent and much needed job. Young players do need guidance when moving especially with all the legal aspects involved. It is true of course that some are not cut from the same cloth but that is true in any walk of life.

For those that do not have Sky Sports, you should be able to watch the game on your pc. Firstrowsports.com will allow you to do this, it's where I watched the Chelsea game.I checked this morning (8 hour time diff) and it is listed.

nd the rumour mill banners now gone....

Nearly 9 hours since this report was put online and less than 3 hours till our 1st game this season and yet the argus fails to put any news about it, I guess they need a 36 hour day as 24 does is not enough to keep up up to date!!!! Perhaps they have forgotten!!!

VegasSeagull wrote:
For those that do not have Sky Sports, you should be able to watch the game on your pc. Firstrowsports.com will allow you to do this, it's where I watched the Chelsea game.I checked this morning (8 hour time diff) and it is listed.

Good spot Vegas, that site also works under the address 'http://www.thefirst
row.eu/'

There is another, should you have problems, which is
'http://www.sportlem
on.tv/'
Both are worth a try - enjoy...!

ballantrrae wrote:
I read this report on the club website yesterday.
Whilst I have some sympathy for Poyet's current frustrations the scenario he faces is not exactly new and is one the club (David Burke) need to deal with.
Echoes of last season with Buckley, Hoskins and LuaLua all carrying injuries to one degree or another and Poyet once again looking for a striker.
If memory serves me right he tried to sign Paynter from Leeds as the window closed fortunately without success. The rabbitt he did pull out of the hat of course was Vicente. Very much 'deja vu' so don't be surprised by another unanticipated arrival.
Pleased that 2 out of our 3 top striking targets are still available - I assume the third was the Uruguayan Ribas. Any thoughts Captain Haddock, Hovite, Gordongull and others as to whom they might be ?
Hopefully we will also see another CB joining and possibly a midfielder (either someone like Balmy or Judge or a midfield powerhouse type).
Thank goodness for TV which means I can watch tonight's match. After non stop sport for the last 2 weeks with the Olympics here in London, I need to return to the normal fare !

While it was looking like we might get by with the current strikeforce, the injuries are now making us look a little vulnerable. Chris Wood inspires me on about the same level as Sam Vokes, and I don't believe we need average strikers denying Toby Adjestein a first team place for a second season.
I see the requirements up front as either a striker of definite quality for this level, (very expensive, and widely sought after), or reliable back-up for the position, to be called upon when needed, (someone who is comfortable on the bench).
There is a third option, and one which I feel would be both successful and financially astute.
This is the re-signing of Glenn Murray.
Murray's largely unimpressive season with Palace doesn't concern me. He had no problem finding the net for us, and I believe he can do so again.
So in summary: no more average/mediocre strikers, I'm happy with those we've got. If we can't get someone in who's exceptionally good, (I include Murray), go for experienced back-up.

Gordon, CMS was as equally successful in League one as GM. GM left and CMS came in as a like for like replacement. CMS and GM could never partner each other and we need someone to compliment CMS.

GM has only proven to be a good league one player and he hasn’t shown up in the Championship.

Still unproven at this level.

Hovite wrote:
Gordon, CMS was as equally successful in League one as GM. GM left and CMS came in as a like for like replacement. CMS and GM could never partner each other and we need someone to compliment CMS.

GM has only proven to be a good league one player and he hasn’t shown up in the Championship.

Still unproven at this level.

So was Rickie Lambert.
Murray would cost around half a million, and if he and CMS have never partnered each other, how can you be sure they never could?
Either way his acquisition would provide competition and options.
We need goals, and several of the more popular candidates for the position have proved conclusively that they can't finish.
GlennMurray received lamentable service from his colleagues last season at CP.
A realistic statisitic for a forward/goal scorer isn't how many you get per game, but per chance.

I had to look up lamentable in the Thesaurus, but yeah so did CMS.

To be fair to you if the club wanted him back and he wanted to return, I would give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm sure everyone will be happy when the transfer window closes, and I stop banging on about Murray!