Gus wants to learn lessons (From The Argus)
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Gus wants to learn lessons
11:32pm Tuesday 14th August 2012 in Albion By Brian Owen
Gus Poyet insists he has learnt about his Albion side in tonight’s cup exit at Swindon.
Now he has set his sights on the Championship season, starting with the trip to Hull on Saturday.
Albion crashed to a 3-0 defeat in the Capital One Cup after controlling the game in the first half.
Poyet said: “Swindon had a plan but they didn’t have a shot on target in the first half.
“You know sooner or later they are going to have one chance.
“I was talking to (goalkeeper) Tomasz (Kuszczak) that maybe he would have to make one save because maybe they would have one shot on target.
“We made too many bad decisions.
“Today I asked the players to make decisions, to assume their responsibilities. A few did it, a few didn’t.
“I was just watching the game and trying to see things we need to learn for the future. “It doesn’t matter who you beat in pre-season, it’s about when everybody is playing for something.
“The only good news about the result is there no more games (in this competition).
“There is no more distraction, no more big games, no more two games in two days, the silly things we did last year.
“For me it is finished, over. Our season really starts on Saturday.”
Comments(44)
oldwalbertonian
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12:13am Wed 15 Aug 12
The Real Ryfish
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12:15am Wed 15 Aug 12
Claude Back wrote:Because Gus doesn't want to play two strikers unless he has a strong midfielder and we don't have one. Also, no CMS, Buckley, Lua-Lua, Hoskins or Crofts, so I'm not reading too much into a fairly meaningless cup game.
The problem is that Gus does not seem to learn from the mistakes of last season. He never plays two strikers together. He may have two on the pitch but always makes one play on the wing like Barnes and Agdestein tonight, or CMS previously. It does not work. Use wingers as wingers and strikers as strikers.
paul the hill
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1:00am Wed 15 Aug 12
Need crofts with Bridcutt time to get Forster caskey back from Oxford.
upfront
Cms plus why not try Dickinson alongside him or the likes of Rhodes / becchio / beckford / Owen /mclean or Zamora
Midfield
Lualua or Buckley Vicente Bridcutt crofts plus McCormack Boyd trotter jamie ward or Hargreaves
Defence
Bridge Greer elalb Bruno calderon
Kuz
Bench :- jfc barker oakway dunk Noone plus others
Promotion this season guys the Gus bus is ready to roll keep the faith.
Seagulls!!!!
HOVEPARKRESIDENT
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5:21am Wed 15 Aug 12
MikeTheMan
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7:20am Wed 15 Aug 12
wardste
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7:28am Wed 15 Aug 12
Lawro woz God
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7:53am Wed 15 Aug 12
Ken from Beamish
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8:14am Wed 15 Aug 12
Dr Baldhead
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8:32am Wed 15 Aug 12
I'd go with much of what is said above. El-Abd alongside Greer in defence and the midfield will be better with Crofts replacing Harley and Lua Lua, Noone (Nooney tried hard but the end product was missing. I think he is better as the impact sub than a starter). I see a lot of potential in Barnes but we clearly need other options alongside him and CMS up front. Hope a new striker (or two) still comes in during the remainder of the window AND am looking forward to seeing a fully fit Hosky doing his stuff.
Today's Argus says that Vincelot and Sparrow have been told their future lies elsewhere. I feel this is particularly harsh on Vincelot as I thinks he showed glimpses of something good last year. That said, not everyone in the squad will be able to make the step up and I don't think Harley, Dicker or Painter have enough at Champs level.
The opening two league games look tough!
Mark Dixon
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8:43am Wed 15 Aug 12
Yes we did have players missing for one reason or another but come on we didn't get a decent cross into the box, Barnes as usual was isolated, Calderon came on and seemed to play in the middle of the park when he should of been going down the wing.
Agree we need a new striker but if whoever it is plays upfront on his own and gets as much services as Barnes did it's not going to solve the problem of goals.
SMF20
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8:48am Wed 15 Aug 12
Alfie T
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8:49am Wed 15 Aug 12
Dr Baldhead wrote:Vincelot & Sparrow, surely they mean Dicker & Harley? Scratching my head at that one, the latter looked way of Championship standard last night. I hope Gus doesn't panic and bring in another Paynter or Vokes. Jason Roberts would be fantastic for us, a real power house up front.
Was a bit of a shock last night but it may turn out to be a blessing in disguise as it seems Gus (and the rest of us) learned much in defeat.
I'd go with much of what is said above. El-Abd alongside Greer in defence and the midfield will be better with Crofts replacing Harley and Lua Lua, Noone (Nooney tried hard but the end product was missing. I think he is better as the impact sub than a starter). I see a lot of potential in Barnes but we clearly need other options alongside him and CMS up front. Hope a new striker (or two) still comes in during the remainder of the window AND am looking forward to seeing a fully fit Hosky doing his stuff.
Today's Argus says that Vincelot and Sparrow have been told their future lies elsewhere. I feel this is particularly harsh on Vincelot as I thinks he showed glimpses of something good last year. That said, not everyone in the squad will be able to make the step up and I don't think Harley, Dicker or Painter have enough at Champs level.
The opening two league games look tough!
Conelli98
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9:03am Wed 15 Aug 12
Hovite
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9:09am Wed 15 Aug 12
gordongull
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9:13am Wed 15 Aug 12
Conelli98 wrote:If you're not panicking, you don't understand the situation!
Morning All, STOP PANICKING EVERYBODY...worry a little yes...but DON'T PANIC. Yes we were poor and yes we will be that poor again at times this season. But to suggest GP gets his p45 already is a LUDICROUS. I agree with some points I've read above me this morning ie, Noone and playing two up front, one wide. I think this moment in time maybe El Abd would be better than Dunk because Lewis has his mind else where, Vicente is not a forward and sorry Ryan you just don't cut it! Crofts, CMS, Lualua, Buckley and a hit man will improve our team greatly. If I have one message for Gus, if you do sign a hit man our CROSSING has got to improve dramatically or it will be a waste of money! Sign Boyd, winger and frontman. All this being said, let's Back GUS! Seagulls!
FC Inter ya Nan
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9:16am Wed 15 Aug 12
GosportGull
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9:18am Wed 15 Aug 12
Conelli98
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9:31am Wed 15 Aug 12
gordongull wrote:You obviously don't have to much to worry about in life then! We lost to Northampton in 1st round a few years ago and got promoted same season. We see it differently Gordon but we will have a better league campaign this season than last.
Conelli98 wrote:If you're not panicking, you don't understand the situation!
Morning All, STOP PANICKING EVERYBODY...worry a little yes...but DON'T PANIC. Yes we were poor and yes we will be that poor again at times this season. But to suggest GP gets his p45 already is a LUDICROUS. I agree with some points I've read above me this morning ie, Noone and playing two up front, one wide. I think this moment in time maybe El Abd would be better than Dunk because Lewis has his mind else where, Vicente is not a forward and sorry Ryan you just don't cut it! Crofts, CMS, Lualua, Buckley and a hit man will improve our team greatly. If I have one message for Gus, if you do sign a hit man our CROSSING has got to improve dramatically or it will be a waste of money! Sign Boyd, winger and frontman. All this being said, let's Back GUS! Seagulls!
tug509
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9:42am Wed 15 Aug 12
oldwalbertonian wrote:With noone`s crosse`s he will still need to bring a ladder!
Panic not Claude. I have it in good authority that a seven foot, eleven inch striker will sign shortly, giving our wizardry wing play a target to aim for. This signing must be imminent as noone has obviously been honing his final ball. El gigantico will obviously sign before Saturday. Can't think what else noone has been practising aiming at. Different subject, but did you used to be a solicitor?
Willie, Willie Irvine
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9:45am Wed 15 Aug 12
tooncgull
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9:46am Wed 15 Aug 12
However - lets look back at this game from the middle of September and see how much it matters then... I bet most will have forgotten this... after all, we were missing Buckley, KLL, CMS, Crofts.
The League Cup - its a competition you only take seriously if you reach the semis... and we never do that.
Poor start, but thats all it is. 2000-01 we were well beaten on the opening day at Southend, debut keeper (a former dutch marine) was so poor he was taken off and nobody ever thought we'd see him again.... we ended up storming that league.
Two seasons ago, knocked out of the league cup at Northampton... we ended up storming the league.
Not saying we are going to "storm" the league this year - just saying its far far too early to make assumptions about the season ahead.
Give it a few weeks before throwing your hands in the air...
tug509
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9:48am Wed 15 Aug 12
HOVEPARKRESIDENT wrote:Hovite ,Gordongull,Conelli9
More utter rubbish from Poyet. He should have learnt his lesson from last season. Remove him now before it's too late otherwise it will be relegation and League One football next year for sure.
8,Rhodes Seagull,to name but a few will be shaking their heads because i bothered to answer .....But you know the bit in Men in Black when Will Smith steps on the cockroache`s....alwa
y`s think of you hpr when i see it,cant think why?
Conelli98
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9:55am Wed 15 Aug 12
tug509 wrote:I will take your word for it??????
HOVEPARKRESIDENT wrote:Hovite ,Gordongull,Conelli9
More utter rubbish from Poyet. He should have learnt his lesson from last season. Remove him now before it's too late otherwise it will be relegation and League One football next year for sure.
8,Rhodes Seagull,to name but a few will be shaking their heads because i bothered to answer .....But you know the bit in Men in Black when Will Smith steps on the cockroache`s....alwa
y`s think of you hpr when i see it,cant think why?
wiltshire seagull
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10:01am Wed 15 Aug 12
Willie, Willie Irvine wrote:Yes, me too mate. As some one above said, it must be difficult for the players to be motivated when Gus obviously wasn't interested. We should try to win every game no matter who we are playing as a matter of respect to the opposition whoever they are. My Swindon mates were telling me in the Merlin before the game that this would be a difficult one for us as they already knew Gus wasn't bothered about the COC! How right they were, lol. We were diabolical, Swindon fans quite understandably gave GG a hard time and some of the Swindon challenges were a little robust. Our game supposed to be about possession, some of the cross field hoofs (apart from Bruno) were frankly rubbish and lost us hard won possession. At least this game proves what we already know, we need ANOTHER striker NOW....Touches of class from Vicente, Bruno & Bridge other than that very disappointing. Well done Swindon and Alan Navarro, what a way to get your own back. UTA...
Well, I'm bothered by this result. This is supposed to be a manager putting out a team that demonstrates how he's improved tactics during the recess and players showing why they should be in the team come the opening league match. I'm with Claude, it all sounds horribly familiar with Gus blaming the players as usual. There are more questions than answers at the moment, but for now let's hope the real Albion turn up on Saturday in glorious Hull.
gordongull
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10:17am Wed 15 Aug 12
Conelli98 wrote:Yes we desperately need to be better than the team which amassed only four points out of twenty four in our last eight League games.
gordongull wrote:You obviously don't have to much to worry about in life then! We lost to Northampton in 1st round a few years ago and got promoted same season. We see it differently Gordon but we will have a better league campaign this season than last.
Conelli98 wrote:If you're not panicking, you don't understand the situation!
Morning All, STOP PANICKING EVERYBODY...worry a little yes...but DON'T PANIC. Yes we were poor and yes we will be that poor again at times this season. But to suggest GP gets his p45 already is a LUDICROUS. I agree with some points I've read above me this morning ie, Noone and playing two up front, one wide. I think this moment in time maybe El Abd would be better than Dunk because Lewis has his mind else where, Vicente is not a forward and sorry Ryan you just don't cut it! Crofts, CMS, Lualua, Buckley and a hit man will improve our team greatly. If I have one message for Gus, if you do sign a hit man our CROSSING has got to improve dramatically or it will be a waste of money! Sign Boyd, winger and frontman. All this being said, let's Back GUS! Seagulls!
And it would be unrealistic, in fact impossible, to match last season's unbeaten opening 8 matches,- won 5 out of six in the League, + 2 League Cup victories, including Sunderland.
I agree that a more successful league campaign should be possible, and we are unlikely to lose any sleep when our rivals who are still involved in the LC start picking up injuries and suspensions.
Gus recognises the challenge ahead, and is unequivocal in his views about the distractions and fixture congestion of a Cup run.
Now comes the serious business of the League, and fate, (with a little help from Gus), probably dealt us an improved hand at Swindon last night.
pjwilk
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10:27am Wed 15 Aug 12
gordongull
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10:34am Wed 15 Aug 12
pjwilk wrote:Steve Bruce isn't that naive.
Steve Bruce left early,he can sit in the dugout Saturday with a cigar on. Probably thinks he can beat West Hams big score against us.3-0 against a new Div 1 team is a mauling.
tug509
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11:00am Wed 15 Aug 12
gordongull wrote:I will stick my neck on the line and bet that the team that play`s against Hull will be unrecognisable to the side last night.All in all a good result for us if you look on the positive side,no distraction`s,less game`s.Totally agree with above post`(s) would love to see us win every game,but must reiterate a bit of a blessing in disguise.We would`nt have wanted that to be our fist game at Hull,this give`s us a few day`s to address the problem.UTA
pjwilk wrote:Steve Bruce isn't that naive.
Steve Bruce left early,he can sit in the dugout Saturday with a cigar on. Probably thinks he can beat West Hams big score against us.3-0 against a new Div 1 team is a mauling.
fratsomrover
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11:13am Wed 15 Aug 12
“There is no more distraction, no more big games, no more two games in two days, the silly things we did last year.
What kind of a comment is this ?? Disgraceful that a Manager considers a defeat to a team from a lower division is great news !!
Personally, the highlights from last season were the victories against Sunderland and Newcastle and the match against Liverpool. Great occasions, great games and fantastic for us supporters. It also spurred the team on in their league games as it increased confidence and self-belief.
Nice to know we have a Manager who "wants no more big games". At least we know where we stand now !!
Perhaps he should have let us all know before we bought our Season Tickets and arranged to travel to Swindon.
the herbster
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11:26am Wed 15 Aug 12
tug509
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11:45am Wed 15 Aug 12
fratsomrover wrote:I agree with most of what you say fratsomrover,but would you still think it was worth it had we gone hell for leather and won 1-0 but picked up several more injurie`s in the process,i`ts the league Gus want`s and he`s got my vote.I might not think the same had it been the F.A. cup,but last night was imho an unnecessary distraction.UTA
“The only good news about the result is there no more games (in this competition).
“There is no more distraction, no more big games, no more two games in two days, the silly things we did last year.
What kind of a comment is this ?? Disgraceful that a Manager considers a defeat to a team from a lower division is great news !!
Personally, the highlights from last season were the victories against Sunderland and Newcastle and the match against Liverpool. Great occasions, great games and fantastic for us supporters. It also spurred the team on in their league games as it increased confidence and self-belief.
Nice to know we have a Manager who "wants no more big games". At least we know where we stand now !!
Perhaps he should have let us all know before we bought our Season Tickets and arranged to travel to Swindon.
raymondo999
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12:09pm Wed 15 Aug 12
shevchenko
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12:41pm Wed 15 Aug 12
Peter Blue
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1:05pm Wed 15 Aug 12
ballantrrae
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3:57pm Wed 15 Aug 12
wardste wrote:I share the same fears.
I fear that we will have 2nd season syndrome in the championship. Granted, Gus has bought in some excellent signings but we need a striker desparately. Barnes is way out of his depth in the Championship, TA is learning and unless we buy a target man soon, CMS isnt going to get many goals this season. Last night highlighted how poor we were.
Judging from what Poyet is quoted as saying in this report he (Poyet) doesn't/didn't really want to be in this competition.
This is not what the 'stakeholders' ie the fans and Tony Bloom should hear from the Manager.
More importantly that attitude gets picked up by the players and surprise surprise a poor performance is the result.
One almost feels that Poyet doesn't want the players to play at all. Following his philosophy through to an extreme conclusion, no doubt he would consider the Champions League equally intrusive as far as the all important 'local national league' is concerned
Every competition the Albion enters should be with the aim of winning it. Last year Cardiff got to Wembley - fantastic.
The worst thing about this is that I find myself (almost) agreeing with HPR !
fratsomrover
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4:32pm Wed 15 Aug 12
tug509 wrote:The league is naturally priority but a few cup games are not going to jeopardise our chances of doing well. Anyway, that's why we have a Squad of players so they can get playing experience instead of sitting on the bench every week. Injuries will always be an issue. Hoskins broke his foot training, its part and parcel of playing pro sport and I dont subscribe to the fact that 2 or 3 midweek cup games could ruin a season. Cup matches are not a distraction, they are an opportunity to play together and maybe get a fantastic result which can boost egos, confidence and self belief. They are also exciting for the fans. I'd rather watch Liverpool or Newcastle down here than Barnsley !
fratsomrover wrote:I agree with most of what you say fratsomrover,but would you still think it was worth it had we gone hell for leather and won 1-0 but picked up several more injurie`s in the process,i`ts the league Gus want`s and he`s got my vote.I might not think the same had it been the F.A. cup,but last night was imho an unnecessary distraction.UTA
“The only good news about the result is there no more games (in this competition).
“There is no more distraction, no more big games, no more two games in two days, the silly things we did last year.
What kind of a comment is this ?? Disgraceful that a Manager considers a defeat to a team from a lower division is great news !!
Personally, the highlights from last season were the victories against Sunderland and Newcastle and the match against Liverpool. Great occasions, great games and fantastic for us supporters. It also spurred the team on in their league games as it increased confidence and self-belief.
Nice to know we have a Manager who "wants no more big games". At least we know where we stand now !!
Perhaps he should have let us all know before we bought our Season Tickets and arranged to travel to Swindon.
gordongull
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5:34pm Wed 15 Aug 12
ballantrrae wrote:We, like many clubs, face the same thorny dilemna every year. Do we go all out for a successful run in the Cups, with the inevitable increase in injuries, suspensions, and fixture congestion?
wardste wrote:I share the same fears.
I fear that we will have 2nd season syndrome in the championship. Granted, Gus has bought in some excellent signings but we need a striker desparately. Barnes is way out of his depth in the Championship, TA is learning and unless we buy a target man soon, CMS isnt going to get many goals this season. Last night highlighted how poor we were.
Judging from what Poyet is quoted as saying in this report he (Poyet) doesn't/didn't really want to be in this competition.
This is not what the 'stakeholders' ie the fans and Tony Bloom should hear from the Manager.
More importantly that attitude gets picked up by the players and surprise surprise a poor performance is the result.
One almost feels that Poyet doesn't want the players to play at all. Following his philosophy through to an extreme conclusion, no doubt he would consider the Champions League equally intrusive as far as the all important 'local national league' is concerned
Every competition the Albion enters should be with the aim of winning it. Last year Cardiff got to Wembley - fantastic.
The worst thing about this is that I find myself (almost) agreeing with HPR !
Yes, the FA Cup run and Wembley appearance were fantastic for Cardiff, but not for the first time, it probably cost them a place in the Premier League.
With limited resources, there has to be a system of priorities, and if we accept that a Cup final combined with a play-off place is unlikely, then the League is where most supporters would vote for success.
gordongull
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5:37pm Wed 15 Aug 12
Hovite
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5:53pm Wed 15 Aug 12
tug509 wrote:Not at all mate, give him as much abuse as you want, just keep it short and funny so you don't waste too much of your own valued time on it ;o)
HOVEPARKRESIDENT wrote:Hovite ,Gordongull,Conelli9
More utter rubbish from Poyet. He should have learnt his lesson from last season. Remove him now before it's too late otherwise it will be relegation and League One football next year for sure.
8,Rhodes Seagull,to name but a few will be shaking their heads because i bothered to answer .....But you know the bit in Men in Black when Will Smith steps on the cockroache`s....alwa
y`s think of you hpr when i see it,cant think why?
ballantrrae
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6:13pm Wed 15 Aug 12
gordongull wrote:I take your point Gordongull it's just that I don't think Poyet's attitude to the competition is right or sends the right message to the players.. A win yesterday would have given a confidence boost to the Team.
ballantrrae wrote:We, like many clubs, face the same thorny dilemna every year. Do we go all out for a successful run in the Cups, with the inevitable increase in injuries, suspensions, and fixture congestion?
wardste wrote:I share the same fears.
I fear that we will have 2nd season syndrome in the championship. Granted, Gus has bought in some excellent signings but we need a striker desparately. Barnes is way out of his depth in the Championship, TA is learning and unless we buy a target man soon, CMS isnt going to get many goals this season. Last night highlighted how poor we were.
Judging from what Poyet is quoted as saying in this report he (Poyet) doesn't/didn't really want to be in this competition.
This is not what the 'stakeholders' ie the fans and Tony Bloom should hear from the Manager.
More importantly that attitude gets picked up by the players and surprise surprise a poor performance is the result.
One almost feels that Poyet doesn't want the players to play at all. Following his philosophy through to an extreme conclusion, no doubt he would consider the Champions League equally intrusive as far as the all important 'local national league' is concerned
Every competition the Albion enters should be with the aim of winning it. Last year Cardiff got to Wembley - fantastic.
The worst thing about this is that I find myself (almost) agreeing with HPR !
Yes, the FA Cup run and Wembley appearance were fantastic for Cardiff, but not for the first time, it probably cost them a place in the Premier League.
With limited resources, there has to be a system of priorities, and if we accept that a Cup final combined with a play-off place is unlikely, then the League is where most supporters would vote for success.
I see from the heading on this thread that 'Gus wants to learn lessons...'.
Since we had 57% of the possession I hope the lessons he has learnt are that we need players with greater physical presence both up front and in midfield and that we need a goal scorer.
Hopefully in the next 15 /16 days (if not sooner) Poyet will sign the players to addess these 'problems' especially since it was he who identified them first last season.
GosportGull
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8:59pm Wed 15 Aug 12
ter..and sparrow put together !! play barnes up front ..he is a striker after all !! but the problem is creating chances ...vicente and jfc in midfield ...crofts and bridcutt and winger on bench !!! even adam el abd in midfield ...but just want too see agression ..passing and forward balls to strikers .... said my bit lol GG
GosportGull
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9:17pm Wed 15 Aug 12
Captain Haddock
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8:19am Thu 16 Aug 12
pjwilk wrote:Let's hope he does as that will be his undoing.
Steve Bruce left early,he can sit in the dugout Saturday with a cigar on. Probably thinks he can beat West Hams big score against us.3-0 against a new Div 1 team is a mauling.

Claude Back says...
11:48pm Tue 14 Aug 12