Poyet: We'll put Birmingham setback right (From The Argus)
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Poyet: We'll put Birmingham setback right
10:08am Monday 1st October 2012 in Albion By Andy Naylor
Gus Poyet is not happy on the touchline
GUS Poyet has urged Albion to grab a quick chance of redemption at The Amex.
The Seagulls are still top of the Championship on goal difference, despite their 1-0 home defeat by Birmingham on Saturday night.
The visit of Ipswich tomorrow night provides an early opportunity to put the setback behind them and Poyet wants his side to seize it.
The Uruguayan told The Argus: “With all respect to all the other teams, it’s up to us to go and perform from the first minute, not wait and think sooner or later we are going to win.
“We have got a chance on Tuesday. That is one of the good things, that we have got a great chance so quickly.
“We need to recover, see who is available and if we have got any players coming back. That will help, no doubt.”
Bruno is expected to return from a groin injury and Albion are hopeful fellow Spaniard Andre Orlandi will be well enough after flu-type symptoms ruled him out against Birmingham.
Poyet said: “Bruno has got a big chance. Andrea just woke up ill. He has done very well for us on the ball and we missed that.”
Leading marksman Craig Mackail-Smith (hamstring) is still missing and Andrew Crofts remains doubtful with a similar injury, which has sidelined him from the last four matches.
Vicente is poised to resume full training today, as scheduled, but the Spanish playmaker is some way short of match fitness.
Comments(48)
Clean Sheet
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10:27am Mon 1 Oct 12
Hoarder12345444
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10:37am Mon 1 Oct 12
Up the Albion.
pjwilk
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10:39am Mon 1 Oct 12
Clean Sheet wrote:Fair enough,but he looked a lot better than Dobbie and he got a place in the team.
I don't think you would naturally translate success in the Dev Squad to the Championship. Happy to have someone like Barker on the bench for a run out if the match is won, but a big risk to pin your faith on him.
Dr Baldhead
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10:39am Mon 1 Oct 12
Out style of football is attractive and usually breaks teams down, but on Saturday it had the contrary effect of giving Brum time to play themselves into the match. Our second half performance was brighter but by then Brum were playing with more confidence and to be fair to them, dealt competently with what were threw at them.
Dr Baldhead
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10:39am Mon 1 Oct 12
Our style of football is attractive and usually breaks teams down, but on Saturday it had the contrary effect of giving Brum time to play themselves into the match. Our second half performance was brighter but by then Brum were playing with more confidence and to be fair to them, dealt competently with what were threw at them.
mark by the sea
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10:59am Mon 1 Oct 12
As for Barker, let him go out on loan,
hastingsgull
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11:00am Mon 1 Oct 12
Hovite
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11:19am Mon 1 Oct 12
Obviously we missed CMS and Bruno, but we are also missing the big target man option for our game to be more adaptable.
wiseman of hove
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11:39am Mon 1 Oct 12
SMF20
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11:50am Mon 1 Oct 12
HOVEPARKRESIDENT
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11:56am Mon 1 Oct 12
Far gull
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12:07pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Chi Gull
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12:21pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Mars Crater Resident
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12:23pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Sadly, your holiday's left you looking very dim and distant, but as hilarious as ever. :-))
What planet are you currently on?
wiseman of hove
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12:28pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Chi Gull wrote:The problem last year was that both Paynter and Vokes were simply not up to the required standard. Good to have different opinions - I think a mobile big target man is going to prove critical over the next few month. I am confident we will see Ipswich off but we are not going to run away with this league. I'm a big fan of CMS like everybody else but notwithstanding his early flurry of goals, we will not see the best of him in my view unless he has a big fella alongside him who can hold the ball up etc etc.
I still think we don't need a big target man. It just encourages the hopeful punt upfield. What we want is good quality crosses and right movement in the box. Big centre backs, like Birmingham had, would not cope with that so easily. As others have said, the crosses were either wayward or we didn't have enough presence in the box. Of course if the big target man was Drogba i might think differently, but our on loan target men last season added very little in my opinion.
the taffster
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12:50pm Mon 1 Oct 12
the taffster
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12:50pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Clean Sheet
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1:02pm Mon 1 Oct 12
the taffster wrote:Taffster, it is always easier to spend other peoples money. I'm sure TB would appreciate your opening your chequebook too!
i do question brightons lack of ambition once more,if they want promotion they have to buy a goalscoer.the reason orlandi.dobbie,lopez were free transfers were theyre not good enough at this standard,put your hand in your pocket mr bloom if you want to realise the clubs ambitions,
I struggle with some peoples perspective on here. We need 2 pts a game to get promotion. So far we are on track. Well done to Gus and TB for bringing some more quality into our squad, and having us top of the table at 1 Oct. Let's keep it going at 2 points a game:)
rolivan
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1:09pm Mon 1 Oct 12
the taffster wrote:We are top of the league in case You hadn't noticed and have the best GD.If that isn't ambitious enough maybe you should support Man City who we are helping everytime we buy petrol.
i do question brightons lack of ambition once more,if they want promotion they have to buy a goalscoer.the reason orlandi.dobbie,lopez were free transfers were theyre not good enough at this standard,put your hand in your pocket mr bloom if you want to realise the clubs ambitions,
MackGull
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1:18pm Mon 1 Oct 12
ballantrrae
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1:32pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Clean Sheet wrote:On a point of fact Taffster we paid fees to Swansee for both Orlandi and Dobbie but how much we paid was not disclosed.
the taffster wrote:Taffster, it is always easier to spend other peoples money. I'm sure TB would appreciate your opening your chequebook too!
i do question brightons lack of ambition once more,if they want promotion they have to buy a goalscoer.the reason orlandi.dobbie,lopez were free transfers were theyre not good enough at this standard,put your hand in your pocket mr bloom if you want to realise the clubs ambitions,
I struggle with some peoples perspective on here. We need 2 pts a game to get promotion. So far we are on track. Well done to Gus and TB for bringing some more quality into our squad, and having us top of the table at 1 Oct. Let's keep it going at 2 points a game:)
However I agree with you that we do need an extra striker, someone with a bit of physical presence and pace who is capable of getting on the end of all those crosses we make.
I think we have strengthened the squad but hope that the newcomers are deployed to their best advantage.
For example I thought Dobbie was much more effective when Poyat moved him deeper just behind Barnes after an hour. From then on it was evident how good he was at linking play and he seemed to find more space. As the Argus said today (not this thread) he really has been signed as an alternative to Vicente not CMS.
A couple of other points.
Firstly I thought Bridge was fantastic on Saturday, a class above everybody else. Secondly I was concerned at the lack of shots which were well down on previous matches this season and more or less at the level of this time last year.
keswick
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4:06pm Mon 1 Oct 12
mark by the sea
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5:21pm Mon 1 Oct 12
the taffster wrote:Yes agree with you, the club spending 29 million on a training ground is clearly a intention of returning to with dean and get mayo, hart and some other hoofers back into the club!
i do question brightons lack of ambition once more,if they want promotion they have to buy a goalscoer.the reason orlandi.dobbie,lopez were free transfers were theyre not good enough at this standard,put your hand in your pocket mr bloom if you want to realise the clubs ambitions,
Simon Mew
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5:39pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Jonathan Mouette
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6:07pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Alfie T
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6:09pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Simon Mew wrote:TB should have put that on Europe to win the Ryder Cup Saturday afternoon.
We paid 350k for Dobbie
the taffster
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6:31pm Mon 1 Oct 12
mark by the sea wrote:spend the money on 1 or 2 classier players and pay them what theyre worth.a goalscorer is a must.pointless having great facilities without a team to match.
the taffster wrote:Yes agree with you, the club spending 29 million on a training ground is clearly a intention of returning to with dean and get mayo, hart and some other hoofers back into the club!
i do question brightons lack of ambition once more,if they want promotion they have to buy a goalscoer.the reason orlandi.dobbie,lopez were free transfers were theyre not good enough at this standard,put your hand in your pocket mr bloom if you want to realise the clubs ambitions,
Claude Back
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6:32pm Mon 1 Oct 12
MackGull wrote:Absolutely right.
If we keep the whys and wherefors simple regarding the Birmingham match, there were just two things we need to put right. Learn how to cope with the offside trap, run at them with ball at feet and pick up the free kicks from the fouls that will follow. The crosses were either of poor quality or we didn't have anyone in the box capable of latching onto them. That is an easy fix. If the defenders have height advantage then cut in from the wide spaces and play the ball to feet. If CMS were fit and Gus wanted Dobbie on the field too Dobbie would play in the hole behind CMS so put Barnes in the role of CMS. If Bruno doesn't start then his replacement stays at home and Lua Lua plays wide on that side of the park. Bridge can continue to raid from his side. Dobbie and CMS will become a lethal paring and I see no reason why Barnes and Dobbie should not be the same but Dobbie must play in the hole as he is not an all out striker.
What worries me is Gus' obstinacy in only using one front man and playing people out of position. We all knew (well, the informed judges did) that Dobbie is not a point of attack striker but Gus played him alone up front just like he did Vicente on occasions.
True, we are top but any team can improve and we would be more points clear of rivals if Gus would get the strikers' options correct. Barnes or CMS on the wing is just stupid when we have attackng full-backs like Bridge and Bruno.
mark by the sea
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6:46pm Mon 1 Oct 12
the taffster wrote:Short term success, is wasting money in the hope you get it right with the players getting 20k a week.. Build a youth set up and your be halfway to. Success x
mark by the sea wrote:spend the money on 1 or 2 classier players and pay them what theyre worth.a goalscorer is a must.pointless having great facilities without a team to match.
the taffster wrote:Yes agree with you, the club spending 29 million on a training ground is clearly a intention of returning to with dean and get mayo, hart and some other hoofers back into the club!
i do question brightons lack of ambition once more,if they want promotion they have to buy a goalscoer.the reason orlandi.dobbie,lopez were free transfers were theyre not good enough at this standard,put your hand in your pocket mr bloom if you want to realise the clubs ambitions,
ballantrrae
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6:50pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Jonathan Mouette wrote:I saw that story on the excellent Newsnow Brighton and Hove Albion which you intriduced me to JM. The story is also on the NonLeague daily website.
Just to change course for a second - anyone know what role is being given to Guy Butters. He has aparently left Winchester to take on a high profile job at the Amex... It doesn't apparently warrant a mention in the local media...
I suspect he is taking on Hinshlewood's job or something akin to it.
By all accounts he had Winchester playing some good footaball. They scored around 135 goals last season and conceded less than 40 which was less than one per game !
Thanks to Simon Mew for the info re the £350,000 fee for Dobbie. I think that might turn out to be good value.
Ringmer Rich
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7:18pm Mon 1 Oct 12
the taffster wrote:Are you going to cough up the transfer fee and weekly wage for a top level striker? Don't you think if we had the finances available, we would already have a top drawer striker?
mark by the sea wrote:spend the money on 1 or 2 classier players and pay them what theyre worth.a goalscorer is a must.pointless having great facilities without a team to match.
the taffster wrote:Yes agree with you, the club spending 29 million on a training ground is clearly a intention of returning to with dean and get mayo, hart and some other hoofers back into the club!
i do question brightons lack of ambition once more,if they want promotion they have to buy a goalscoer.the reason orlandi.dobbie,lopez were free transfers were theyre not good enough at this standard,put your hand in your pocket mr bloom if you want to realise the clubs ambitions,
I think that Bloom is fantastic, no one else would have put so much money into the club and is still doing so.
Orlandi, Dobbie and Lopez have not yet had a chance to settle into the team yet - all are very good players - free transfer or not.
The training ground is essential in order to develop young talent - local and from further away - to play decent passing football.
One loss in six, and you lot are questioning Poyet's decisions and managerial skills.
ballantrrae
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7:38pm Mon 1 Oct 12
ballantrrae wrote:Sorry about the 'literals'.
Jonathan Mouette wrote:I saw that story on the excellent Newsnow Brighton and Hove Albion which you intriduced me to JM. The story is also on the NonLeague daily website.
Just to change course for a second - anyone know what role is being given to Guy Butters. He has aparently left Winchester to take on a high profile job at the Amex... It doesn't apparently warrant a mention in the local media...
I suspect he is taking on Hinshlewood's job or something akin to it.
By all accounts he had Winchester playing some good footaball. They scored around 135 goals last season and conceded less than 40 which was less than one per game !
Thanks to Simon Mew for the info re the £350,000 fee for Dobbie. I think that might turn out to be good value.
Should read 'introduced' and 'Football'
A bit surprised that the club haven't made an announcement regarding Butters returning in a coaching capacity.
I can't see any of our current injury victims being fit for tomorrow's game although Bruno is a possibility.
I don't see any merit in bringing players back in a hurry. With the international break coming up there should be time for them to all get back to full fitness with the probable exceptions of Hosko and Vicente.
Keep wishing Poyet would sign the target man he wants and the Albion need.
mark by the sea
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9:18pm Mon 1 Oct 12
hannover seagull
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9:19pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Mars Crater Resident wrote:Vegas drops out
Welcome back HPR from wherever you've been to wherever you are!
Sadly, your holiday's left you looking very dim and distant, but as hilarious as ever. :-))
What planet are you currently on?
HPR steps in
Nice wind up while it lasted
Congrats
UTA.................
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mark by the sea
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9:22pm Mon 1 Oct 12
The Phantom
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9:35pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Ringmer Rich wrote:Yes, agree that the comments contained in the original post were idiotic to say the least. Brighton are top of the Championship, Hammond and Orlandi have already added quality to the side, Dobbie will also do so before long. Kuszczak, Bruno and Bridge have all been stellar acquisitions.......i
the taffster wrote:Are you going to cough up the transfer fee and weekly wage for a top level striker? Don't you think if we had the finances available, we would already have a top drawer striker?
mark by the sea wrote:spend the money on 1 or 2 classier players and pay them what theyre worth.a goalscorer is a must.pointless having great facilities without a team to match.
the taffster wrote:Yes agree with you, the club spending 29 million on a training ground is clearly a intention of returning to with dean and get mayo, hart and some other hoofers back into the club!
i do question brightons lack of ambition once more,if they want promotion they have to buy a goalscoer.the reason orlandi.dobbie,lopez were free transfers were theyre not good enough at this standard,put your hand in your pocket mr bloom if you want to realise the clubs ambitions,
I think that Bloom is fantastic, no one else would have put so much money into the club and is still doing so.
Orlandi, Dobbie and Lopez have not yet had a chance to settle into the team yet - all are very good players - free transfer or not.
The training ground is essential in order to develop young talent - local and from further away - to play decent passing football.
One loss in six, and you lot are questioning Poyet's decisions and managerial skills.
s that not ambitious enough? Brighton also laid out 2.5 Million on a goalscorer last season - he just happens to be injured. Far too many people on here thought that Birmingham would just roll over on Saturday. Did anyone actually see how many name players there were in the Birmingham side on Saturday?
Jack Butland, Steven Caldwell, Curtis Davies, Jonathan Spectre, Leroy Lita, Chris Burke - all internationals and/or solid ex premiership players. And on the bench, the likes of Hayden Mullins, Darren Ambrose, Marlon King, Nathan Redmond and Nicolas Zigic. A year ago there is no way a side of this quality would have parked the bus like they did on Saturday. If you listen to Lee Clark's comments after the match it is quite clear what he thinks of the respective merits of the two clubs - in his opinion are on the verge of reaching the next level. It truly staggers me some of the comments on here just because they lost narrowly at home to a great strike. What more do people want.
hannover seagull
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9:40pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Mars Crater Resident wrote:Vegas drops out
Welcome back HPR from wherever you've been to wherever you are!
Sadly, your holiday's left you looking very dim and distant, but as hilarious as ever. :-))
What planet are you currently on?
HPR steps in
Nice wind up while it lasted HPR
Congrats
UTA.................
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keswick
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10:01pm Mon 1 Oct 12
The Phantom wrote:Excellent post.
Ringmer Rich wrote:Yes, agree that the comments contained in the original post were idiotic to say the least. Brighton are top of the Championship, Hammond and Orlandi have already added quality to the side, Dobbie will also do so before long. Kuszczak, Bruno and Bridge have all been stellar acquisitions.......i s that not ambitious enough? Brighton also laid out 2.5 Million on a goalscorer last season - he just happens to be injured. Far too many people on here thought that Birmingham would just roll over on Saturday. Did anyone actually see how many name players there were in the Birmingham side on Saturday? Jack Butland, Steven Caldwell, Curtis Davies, Jonathan Spectre, Leroy Lita, Chris Burke - all internationals and/or solid ex premiership players. And on the bench, the likes of Hayden Mullins, Darren Ambrose, Marlon King, Nathan Redmond and Nicolas Zigic. A year ago there is no way a side of this quality would have parked the bus like they did on Saturday. If you listen to Lee Clark's comments after the match it is quite clear what he thinks of the respective merits of the two clubs - in his opinion are on the verge of reaching the next level. It truly staggers me some of the comments on here just because they lost narrowly at home to a great strike. What more do people want.the taffster wrote:Are you going to cough up the transfer fee and weekly wage for a top level striker? Don't you think if we had the finances available, we would already have a top drawer striker? I think that Bloom is fantastic, no one else would have put so much money into the club and is still doing so. Orlandi, Dobbie and Lopez have not yet had a chance to settle into the team yet - all are very good players - free transfer or not. The training ground is essential in order to develop young talent - local and from further away - to play decent passing football. One loss in six, and you lot are questioning Poyet's decisions and managerial skills.mark by the sea wrote:spend the money on 1 or 2 classier players and pay them what theyre worth.a goalscorer is a must.pointless having great facilities without a team to match.the taffster wrote: i do question brightons lack of ambition once more,if they want promotion they have to buy a goalscoer.the reason orlandi.dobbie,lopez were free transfers were theyre not good enough at this standard,put your hand in your pocket mr bloom if you want to realise the clubs ambitions,Yes agree with you, the club spending 29 million on a training ground is clearly a intention of returning to with dean and get mayo, hart and some other hoofers back into the club!
football's coming home
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10:03pm Mon 1 Oct 12
HOVEPARKRESIDENT wrote:Where were you when we won five on the trot? You pretend to have a season ticket at the Amex but your comments show that you have not been watching the Albion this season. We won't win every game and sure there will be poor performances along the way but we will win more than we lose for sure and the journey will be exciting wherever it ends.
The rot is setting in and I expect like the end of last season Brighton will struggle to win any more games. Relegation looks likely unless Poyet drastically changes things.
paul the hill
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10:10pm Mon 1 Oct 12
brightonup
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10:41pm Mon 1 Oct 12
football's coming home wrote:No disrespect - but I have asked before - and now ask (wearily) again - why try and reason with a troll - unless of course you actually enjoy his/her drivel?
HOVEPARKRESIDENT wrote: The rot is setting in and I expect like the end of last season Brighton will struggle to win any more games. Relegation looks likely unless Poyet drastically changes things.Where were you when we won five on the trot? You pretend to have a season ticket at the Amex but your comments show that you have not been watching the Albion this season. We won't win every game and sure there will be poor performances along the way but we will win more than we lose for sure and the journey will be exciting wherever it ends.
You do know that is what he/she wants don't you?
Eddy B
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11:35pm Mon 1 Oct 12
Vince
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1:04am Tue 2 Oct 12
Eddy B wrote:Agree with this.
Agree with most posters. Bridge was a class above. Relentless running and our most potent attacking force. Dobbie showed some nice skill and Buckley was a threat until he ran out of steam. Do worry about the workmanlike midfield though - not sure the likes of Dicker, Hammond and Croft have that creative edge to transform possession into actual shots on goal.
Having seen Posh annihilate Hull on their own ground, it was interesting to see 2 Posh players demonstrate what we lacked against Brum:- George Boyd showed excellent creativity and timing in setting up Emile Sinclair for his hatrick which was brilliantly and coolly executed. As for Sinclair's opening goal - most players would have shot when homing in on goal by the near RHS post, but Emile instead coolly rounded the keeper and slotted into the empty net.
It's that sort of class we need up front -the sort who can send the keeper one way and put the ball in the net the other - with a clever feint, players who can chip over, rather than blast shots at, the keeper (most players lack composure and skills to always score in a one-on-one situation), players who can round the keeper with skill and confidence. That's why class strikers are so sought after. Even great players like Suarez don't score nearly as many goals as they should.
Peterborough look to have unearthed a great striking talent in Sinclair, who has "Bobby Charlton like" pace, and tremendous dribbling skill and finishing if his hatrick against Hull is anything to go by.
I'm sure there are more players like him around in the lower leagues. It's up to Gus and our scouts to find them!
Vince
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1:15am Tue 2 Oct 12
With regard to Hoskins, I think he will be a similar player to Dobbie... a link man with good skills and a great shot.
We probably need a target man though, who can hold the ball up, and get on the end of things.
I hope Gus pairs Dobbie and CMS together, AND give them time to gel. We look a bit "sameish" going forward at the moment, despite having players with speed and skill. Clearly the creative player mentioned by Eddy B is important to facilitate this. When Vicente comes back, I'm sure the above players and Buckley will annihilate most Championship defences.
Captain Haddock
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3:19am Tue 2 Oct 12
MackGull wrote:Very much this. Also agree entirely with Dr Baldhead's very succinct appraisal of the situation...saves me writing effectively the same thing in different words, eh?!
If we keep the whys and wherefors simple regarding the Birmingham match, there were just two things we need to put right. Learn how to cope with the offside trap, run at them with ball at feet and pick up the free kicks from the fouls that will follow. The crosses were either of poor quality or we didn't have anyone in the box capable of latching onto them. That is an easy fix. If the defenders have height advantage then cut in from the wide spaces and play the ball to feet. If CMS were fit and Gus wanted Dobbie on the field too Dobbie would play in the hole behind CMS so put Barnes in the role of CMS. If Bruno doesn't start then his replacement stays at home and Lua Lua plays wide on that side of the park. Bridge can continue to raid from his side. Dobbie and CMS will become a lethal paring and I see no reason why Barnes and Dobbie should not be the same but Dobbie must play in the hole as he is not an all out striker.
Eddy B
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10:03am Tue 2 Oct 12
the taffster
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1:59pm Tue 2 Oct 12
mark by the sea wrote:it just seems a shame that with the addition of a proven striker the team will be complete.dobbie desnt look the answer,he doesnt look fit to me.they looked clueless infront of goal on saturday and idont see that changing tonight.strength in depth in all positions is whats needed.without cms its hard to see where the goals are coming from and when he s fit you need a plan b.
the taffster wrote:Short term success, is wasting money in the hope you get it right with the players getting 20k a week.. Build a youth set up and your be halfway to. Success x
mark by the sea wrote:spend the money on 1 or 2 classier players and pay them what theyre worth.a goalscorer is a must.pointless having great facilities without a team to match.
the taffster wrote:Yes agree with you, the club spending 29 million on a training ground is clearly a intention of returning to with dean and get mayo, hart and some other hoofers back into the club!
i do question brightons lack of ambition once more,if they want promotion they have to buy a goalscoer.the reason orlandi.dobbie,lopez were free transfers were theyre not good enough at this standard,put your hand in your pocket mr bloom if you want to realise the clubs ambitions,

pjwilk says...
10:18am Mon 1 Oct 12