Mystery over Vicente return (From The Argus)
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Mystery over Vicente return
10:18am Tuesday 9th October 2012 in Albion By Andy Naylor
Fallen idol. Will Vicente be ready for Boro?
Albion return to action against Middlesbrough on Saturday week but will Vicente be there to join them?
The Seagulls could certainly do with their chief unlocker of defences, especially now that teams are setting up to stop them both at home and away.
Whether the enigmatic Spaniard will be available though remains a mystery, even to members of the inner sanctum at The Amex.
According to the latest update from manager Gus Poyet, Vicente is scheduled to resume full training with the squad after the international break, together with hamstrung leading marksman Craig Mackail-Smith.
The former Valencia playmaker cut a rather forlorn figure playing as a central striker in Mackail-Smith's absence in the opening match of the season, the Capital One Cup defeat at Swindon on August 14.
He came on a week later for the last eight minutes of Albion's first home game of the campaign, the goalless draw against Cardiff. We have not seen him since, because of a thigh tendon injury.
Poyet and his staff have not seen that much of Vicente either. He has been stuck for much of the time in the treatment room at the other end of the training ground at the University of Sussex sports complex at Falmer, across the road from the Stadium.
Poyet's assistant, Mauricio Taricco, said: "It must be a really difficult time for him, frustrating that he cannot be playing. The important thing is that he keeps looking forward and trying to get back and we are going to be there for him.
"He's quiet. It's difficult. He's not with us a lot of the time as well. We haven't got the greatest facilities in the world. All the injured players are on the other side of the training ground.
"You see him maybe when you are having lunch, not as often as in other places where the medical room is close to where everybody is. It's difficult to have a lot of contact with injured players so you don't really know a lot about it.
"Obviously, you know through the doctor and the physios, but you don't have that daily contact with the players that are fit, so it's difficult to say.
"We imagine that it's difficult for him, because when you are injured that is the worst time for a football player."
Comments(70)
Bob!
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10:49am Tue 9 Oct 12
I'm sure that it will be easier at Lancing as everybody will be in the same building for the majority of the time
4everaseagull
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10:55am Tue 9 Oct 12
Gee Jay wrote:I couldn't agree more Gee Jay. All very odd. I appreciate that during a normal day when the players train at the Uni Vicente is in the treatment room but surely just so as to keep the guys spirits up one of the management team should be dropping in to see how he is doing and with Will H as well. Either that or they have given up on him. Reminds me of how Fabio Capello managed. By all accounts if you are fit and playing great if however you are injured and out of the team Capello viewed it that you "were no good to me" until you were fit!
Tanno, if the management team want contact with players that are in the treatment area, then they should get off their backsides and get themselves over there, or make the time to go over.
Never mind 'We haven't got the best facilities in the world' It's a brand new stadium for heaven's sake!
What will happen at Lancing, if the management team are at the Amex?
If Vincente is viewed as such an important piece of the jigsaw, then surely Gus, Tanno or Charlie should be over in the treatment area on a very regular basis to keep, not only Mr V. but any other players like Will Hoskins, feeling as though they are still very much part of the squad.
ballantrrae
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11:06am Tue 9 Oct 12
Gee Jay wrote:I second your 'common sense' posting Gee Jay.
Tanno, if the management team want contact with players that are in the treatment area, then they should get off their backsides and get themselves over there, or make the time to go over.
Never mind 'We haven't got the best facilities in the world' It's a brand new stadium for heaven's sake!
What will happen at Lancing, if the management team are at the Amex?
If Vincente is viewed as such an important piece of the jigsaw, then surely Gus, Tanno or Charlie should be over in the treatment area on a very regular basis to keep, not only Mr V. but any other players like Will Hoskins, feeling as though they are still very much part of the squad.
Keeping in regular touch with injured players especially someone like Vicente living in a foreign country seems a minimum requirement.
Jonathan Mouette
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11:07am Tue 9 Oct 12
pjwilk
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11:09am Tue 9 Oct 12
Alan G Skinner
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11:32am Tue 9 Oct 12
pjwilk wrote:If you want to "Pull the plug", you have clearly not seen Vicente play!! When he gets fit, watching him is worth the ticket alone. He is breathtaking.
About time we pulled the plug on Vicente he is obviously a liability,should have let him stay where he was.We need players who are not injury prone.OK he is good when fit but when is he fit.
wiseman of hove
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11:42am Tue 9 Oct 12
The comments attributed to the assistant manager are quite ludicrous - must be some mistake in the reporting.
Gibseagull
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11:49am Tue 9 Oct 12
SMF20
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11:56am Tue 9 Oct 12
heathgate
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12:18pm Tue 9 Oct 12
kentseagull
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12:24pm Tue 9 Oct 12
wiseman of hove
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12:56pm Tue 9 Oct 12
heathgate wrote:Yes - we have been told that we have fantastic people in place, Chief Executive, Head of Football Operations , Head of Sports Medicine etc etc and then along comes a report like this which quite rightly has been treated with derision.
Its appalling that the club dont give us a decent injury update once week or fortnight. They make a big song and dance about signing up all these high flying medical personnel, surely the progress or otherwise of the injured players is just a matter of record?..... come on Albion, what's the flam in score?
seagullsays
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12:58pm Tue 9 Oct 12
I'm not sure he wants to be here after the contract issues of the summer, and his injury record, which has been an issue for him for years, just doesn't seem to improve. Whilst I agree with Alan Skinner, he is a terrific player to watch, he just doesn't play enough. Is it time to move on, cancel his contract and let him go to Elche (or wherever it was that he wanted to go to). Maybe this would free up some extra funds for the big striker.
Just my thoughts, which count for nothing, but there they are anyway!
rolivan
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1:12pm Tue 9 Oct 12
wiseman of hove wrote:This report was pulled from the Interview Tanno did last week before the Derby game if you want to see it in full just go to the seagulls site.As for the updates re injuries Gus and Tanno always give updates if the questions are asked by the reporters at the press conferences on a weekly basis.Most of what you read on here is available on the website there is never any real news that is unavailable.I mentioned about Vicente to Johnny and Warren in a phone in a couple of weeks ago when I asked if there was something other than an injury that was keeping him from playing and Warren said straight away it was a Tendon problem.Although I am a great admirer of Vicente we were doing well without him up until Macca got injured.It seems Macca has become the Talisman.
As everybody has posted, ridiculous state of affairs. Excellent post by Gee Jay.
The comments attributed to the assistant manager are quite ludicrous - must be some mistake in the reporting.
mark5
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1:16pm Tue 9 Oct 12
wiseman of hove
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1:27pm Tue 9 Oct 12
rolivan wrote:Thanks - will do.
wiseman of hove wrote:This report was pulled from the Interview Tanno did last week before the Derby game if you want to see it in full just go to the seagulls site.As for the updates re injuries Gus and Tanno always give updates if the questions are asked by the reporters at the press conferences on a weekly basis.Most of what you read on here is available on the website there is never any real news that is unavailable.I mentioned about Vicente to Johnny and Warren in a phone in a couple of weeks ago when I asked if there was something other than an injury that was keeping him from playing and Warren said straight away it was a Tendon problem.Although I am a great admirer of Vicente we were doing well without him up until Macca got injured.It seems Macca has become the Talisman.
As everybody has posted, ridiculous state of affairs. Excellent post by Gee Jay.
The comments attributed to the assistant manager are quite ludicrous - must be some mistake in the reporting.
As for mark 5's posting, hard to dsagree with his comments. The saga just seems to drag on endlessly.
VegasSeagull
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1:51pm Tue 9 Oct 12
CMS, Hoskins and Vicente, all getting treatment at the same facility and the facility is not in the same place as the training facilities. Does anyone really think that Gus is not on the ball regarding how CMS is doing?
Schedules are almost certainly the problem. Training starts at a fixed time, medical treatment is scheduled to suit the staff and equipment availability. Vicente might get 2 hours treatment at a time when the squad, coaches and management are all out on the field. CMS might get his treatment earlier or later and Hoskins too, and there will be time when they overlap.
If Gus is not making the trip to check on CMS then why would he make the trip to check on nayone else when right now we really need CMS back at work.
Schedules and location are the problem and I guess when we get our new training ground these issues will go away. I don't think that Vicente is being sidelined any more than CMS or Hoskins is, it's just a matter of logistics.
When the three of them get back to light training it won't be with the coaches the medical team will supervise that work. I am sure that Gus gets a daily report on his players and that for him there are no mysteries.
BobbyLaverick
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1:54pm Tue 9 Oct 12
Jonathan Mouette
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1:58pm Tue 9 Oct 12
Jonathan Mouette wrote:I wonder if the top management team has the same communication problems with the development squad - are they aware, for example, that there are not one but two strikers who would appreciate the confidence boost of squad selection particlarly when automatic first team regulars are unavailable...
This attitude certainly explains a lot with regard to Will Hoskins who hasn't been mentioned in dispatches for quite a while... If it is indeed true that there is little or no contact with the injured then he has probably forgotten who he is even playing for... Much as there are so many things to admire at the club there are things which come to light and never cease to amaze me. Oh well.
pjwilk
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2:02pm Tue 9 Oct 12
Alan G Skinner wrote:Yes i have seen Vicente and very good he is,but he has not influenced results very much.He is another Michael Owen,once he leaves Brighton no body will take a risk on sighning him.Once you get a lame duck name, even if he is playing the situation,it sticks.
pjwilk wrote:If you want to "Pull the plug", you have clearly not seen Vicente play!! When he gets fit, watching him is worth the ticket alone. He is breathtaking.
About time we pulled the plug on Vicente he is obviously a liability,should have let him stay where he was.We need players who are not injury prone.OK he is good when fit but when is he fit.
wiseman of hove
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2:06pm Tue 9 Oct 12
pjwilk wrote:Hardly a surprise that Owen is out injured again. All those ridulous stories how playing with Crouch would get him back into the England team.
Alan G Skinner wrote:Yes i have seen Vicente and very good he is,but he has not influenced results very much.He is another Michael Owen,once he leaves Brighton no body will take a risk on sighning him.Once you get a lame duck name, even if he is playing the situation,it sticks.
pjwilk wrote:If you want to "Pull the plug", you have clearly not seen Vicente play!! When he gets fit, watching him is worth the ticket alone. He is breathtaking.
About time we pulled the plug on Vicente he is obviously a liability,should have let him stay where he was.We need players who are not injury prone.OK he is good when fit but when is he fit.
VegasSeagull
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2:09pm Tue 9 Oct 12
SMF20
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2:19pm Tue 9 Oct 12
mikeygit
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2:57pm Tue 9 Oct 12
rolivan
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3:09pm Tue 9 Oct 12
namgo49
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3:13pm Tue 9 Oct 12
Alan G Skinner wrote:The guy clearly doesn't want to be here that's why he doesn't join in. What the Assistant Manager said was a thin disguise of the truth.
pjwilk wrote:If you want to "Pull the plug", you have clearly not seen Vicente play!! When he gets fit, watching him is worth the ticket alone. He is breathtaking.
About time we pulled the plug on Vicente he is obviously a liability,should have let him stay where he was.We need players who are not injury prone.OK he is good when fit but when is he fit.
Yes he's good when he plays but the trouble is he don't play enough. We were ill advised to take up the option but then perhaps we thought we would get a fee for him from the Spanish club.
Time to let him go for everyones sake!!
saraman
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3:22pm Tue 9 Oct 12
seagullsays wrote:Hi, Seagullsays, I agree with your thoughts about Elche but moreover it is my belief that is was all of a big smoke screen and Gus unfortunately did't see through it. He never did want to come back so colluded with Elche on the basis that they wanted to sign him. Vicente didn't have the guts to tell GP that he didn't want to come back. Out of sheer bloodymindedness I would keep Vicente here until season end just to frustrate him as he has us. There I know it appears to be petty but the blokes driving me nuts.
Won't bother adding my thoughts regarding this lack of man-management skill, as they are along the same lines as those posted above. However, and I may be in the minority, but I've virtually given up on Vicente anyway. I'm not sure he wants to be here after the contract issues of the summer, and his injury record, which has been an issue for him for years, just doesn't seem to improve. Whilst I agree with Alan Skinner, he is a terrific player to watch, he just doesn't play enough. Is it time to move on, cancel his contract and let him go to Elche (or wherever it was that he wanted to go to). Maybe this would free up some extra funds for the big striker. Just my thoughts, which count for nothing, but there they are anyway!
KeefyH44
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3:38pm Tue 9 Oct 12
seagullsays wrote:My thoughts exactly. When Gus invoked that clause I fully expected this to happen. You can take a horse to water...... Bit like trying to force that glove on O J Simpson's hand!!!
Won't bother adding my thoughts regarding this lack of man-management skill, as they are along the same lines as those posted above. However, and I may be in the minority, but I've virtually given up on Vicente anyway.
I'm not sure he wants to be here after the contract issues of the summer, and his injury record, which has been an issue for him for years, just doesn't seem to improve. Whilst I agree with Alan Skinner, he is a terrific player to watch, he just doesn't play enough. Is it time to move on, cancel his contract and let him go to Elche (or wherever it was that he wanted to go to). Maybe this would free up some extra funds for the big striker.
Just my thoughts, which count for nothing, but there they are anyway!
seagullsays
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3:42pm Tue 9 Oct 12
saraman
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3:49pm Tue 9 Oct 12
KeefyH44 wrote:Have I missed something there Keefy? What's the O J Simpson thing with gloves?
seagullsays wrote: Won't bother adding my thoughts regarding this lack of man-management skill, as they are along the same lines as those posted above. However, and I may be in the minority, but I've virtually given up on Vicente anyway. I'm not sure he wants to be here after the contract issues of the summer, and his injury record, which has been an issue for him for years, just doesn't seem to improve. Whilst I agree with Alan Skinner, he is a terrific player to watch, he just doesn't play enough. Is it time to move on, cancel his contract and let him go to Elche (or wherever it was that he wanted to go to). Maybe this would free up some extra funds for the big striker. Just my thoughts, which count for nothing, but there they are anyway!My thoughts exactly. When Gus invoked that clause I fully expected this to happen. You can take a horse to water...... Bit like trying to force that glove on O J Simpson's hand!!!
Hugo-Worthing
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4:36pm Tue 9 Oct 12
Why NOT speculate continuely and at great length, on the possible issues involved, I see the same comments,by the same people, repeatedly regurgitating the same old concerns regarding Vicente's attitude/commitment/
injury.
Lets just wait until we have a statement from the club which reveals the full situation?
Far gull
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5:02pm Tue 9 Oct 12
born again seagull
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5:34pm Tue 9 Oct 12
namgo49
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5:45pm Tue 9 Oct 12
Hugo-Worthing wrote:You won't get the facts from the club. We are left to make our own judgements.
Here's a novel thought......
Why NOT speculate continuely and at great length, on the possible issues involved, I see the same comments,by the same people, repeatedly regurgitating the same old concerns regarding Vicente's attitude/commitment/
injury.
Lets just wait until we have a statement from the club which reveals the full situation?
born again seagull
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6:00pm Tue 9 Oct 12
namgo49 wrote:The article gives the facts from the club, you just have to choose whether to accept them.
Hugo-Worthing wrote:You won't get the facts from the club. We are left to make our own judgements.
Here's a novel thought......
Why NOT speculate continuely and at great length, on the possible issues involved, I see the same comments,by the same people, repeatedly regurgitating the same old concerns regarding Vicente's attitude/commitment/
injury.
Lets just wait until we have a statement from the club which reveals the full situation?
saraman
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6:00pm Tue 9 Oct 12
namgo49 wrote:Quite right Hugo. Vicente has become an embarressment to the Albion. That's why we will not get a definitive report.
Hugo-Worthing wrote: Here's a novel thought...... Why NOT speculate continuely and at great length, on the possible issues involved, I see the same comments,by the same people, repeatedly regurgitating the same old concerns regarding Vicente's attitude/commitment/ injury. Lets just wait until we have a statement from the club which reveals the full situation?You won't get the facts from the club. We are left to make our own judgements.
fratsomrover
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6:03pm Tue 9 Oct 12
On another note, why are professional sportsmen like Vicente, Hoskins and to a degree, Buckley, so prone to injury. They get the greatest medical treatment possible yet are so seldom fit to do a days work. Barnes, Bridcutt, Greer play week in week out, always in the thick of things and are able to maintain their fitness and health, whilst others play a game or two and are then crocked for weeks. It's not as if they have broken legs, it's always something muscular. Professional sportsmen should be able to maintain their fitness longer than normal people.
If I was off work sick as much as these two guys, I'd get the sack.
KeefyH44
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6:23pm Tue 9 Oct 12
saraman wrote:The case against OJ collapsed because a glove found at the scene was handed to him, and ad when you try to dress a child who resists, OJ made it look just as awkward as if the glove couldn't possibly have belonged to him and made the prosecution look stupid. As I said, You can take a horse to water....... Forcing Vicente to abide by the contract may have kept him here but can't make him willingly play for us. Sorry for the oblique reference, seemed to make sense at the time.
KeefyH44 wrote:Have I missed something there Keefy? What's the O J Simpson thing with gloves?
seagullsays wrote: Won't bother adding my thoughts regarding this lack of man-management skill, as they are along the same lines as those posted above. However, and I may be in the minority, but I've virtually given up on Vicente anyway. I'm not sure he wants to be here after the contract issues of the summer, and his injury record, which has been an issue for him for years, just doesn't seem to improve. Whilst I agree with Alan Skinner, he is a terrific player to watch, he just doesn't play enough. Is it time to move on, cancel his contract and let him go to Elche (or wherever it was that he wanted to go to). Maybe this would free up some extra funds for the big striker. Just my thoughts, which count for nothing, but there they are anyway!My thoughts exactly. When Gus invoked that clause I fully expected this to happen. You can take a horse to water...... Bit like trying to force that glove on O J Simpson's hand!!!
VegasSeagull
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6:54pm Tue 9 Oct 12
VegasSeagull
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7:09pm Tue 9 Oct 12
I don't think that there is a mystery about him, I am sure Gus knows the situation, but I do wonder why, as this article suggests, he chooses to keep himself to himself.
I am left wondering if there isn't a huge rift between him and the club and that his current injury is nothing more than an excuse. I guess that can't be right because we have been told to expect him back on the park, but I do wonder.
wiseman of hove
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7:17pm Tue 9 Oct 12
VegasSeagull wrote:And I'm afaid Vegas that there will be another false dawn after the international break. Month after month last season and now this season, the club have held out the promise of seeing Vicente again in action. Why do they do it? There is now just a dwindling group of supporters who still expect that he will be back. I will now refrain from commenting on this saga further.
Were we not told some weeks ago that Vicente would be back in training after the Birmingham match, this article now tells us that it won't be until after this two week international break.
IRISHGULL
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7:36pm Tue 9 Oct 12
BobbyLaverick wrote:Probably as good a player as any to don an albion shirt. Whilst understanding all the negativity surrounding vincente, the last two home games were simply crying out for his creativity. One cameo like the second half against pompey, and he will once again be our messi. The man is quality, and i for one would love him back .
Vicente? Who is Vicente?
born again seagull
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7:45pm Tue 9 Oct 12
wiseman of hove wrote:I suppose it is human nature to take the negative view when the expected excitement of seeing a star on the pitch does not materialise. Too much to expect that maybe, just maybe he is shy and injury prone. My glass remains over half full on this and if Vicente returns for the last 10 games of the season, to see us over the line I will be chuffed, as will you all. UTA
VegasSeagull wrote:And I'm afaid Vegas that there will be another false dawn after the international break. Month after month last season and now this season, the club have held out the promise of seeing Vicente again in action. Why do they do it? There is now just a dwindling group of supporters who still expect that he will be back. I will now refrain from commenting on this saga further.
Were we not told some weeks ago that Vicente would be back in training after the Birmingham match, this article now tells us that it won't be until after this two week international break.
ballantrrae
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8:32pm Tue 9 Oct 12
BobbyLaverick wrote:Hopefully in the next 4 to 5 weeks Vicente will get fully fit (wishful thinking) and then we will all know 'who Vicente is'.
Vicente? Who is Vicente?
He certainly looked both the player we know he can be and fit against Chelsea in preseason. Mark you the prospect of playing the Champions League winners must have been a great incentive.
hannover seagull
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8:58pm Tue 9 Oct 12
Urrm ...go and see him then
Or is this code for other side of the water ?
Anyway, during the break (The Scarlet Pimpernel) is always a hot topic
I think the current management at the Amex are a little ecomonic with the truth on player fitness and availability and this leads to a lot of supposition and rumour
Hoskins another example
We should open up a pulled/tight hamstring clinic we must be experts by now
kwaidam
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9:17pm Tue 9 Oct 12
Ringmer Rich
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9:21pm Tue 9 Oct 12
IRISHGULL wrote:He is definitely the best player ever to put on the blue and white stripes. He is top drawer, and the only reason he is playing for us is because of his injury problems. To be totally honest, I couldn't give a toss whether we get to the premier or not, I just want to see quality passing football from technically gifted players. Viva el rey - Vicente!!
BobbyLaverick wrote:Probably as good a player as any to don an albion shirt. Whilst understanding all the negativity surrounding vincente, the last two home games were simply crying out for his creativity. One cameo like the second half against pompey, and he will once again be our messi. The man is quality, and i for one would love him back .
Vicente? Who is Vicente?
hannover seagull
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9:45pm Tue 9 Oct 12
Ringmer Rich wrote:Great player yes
IRISHGULL wrote:He is definitely the best player ever to put on the blue and white stripes. He is top drawer, and the only reason he is playing for us is because of his injury problems. To be totally honest, I couldn't give a toss whether we get to the premier or not, I just want to see quality passing football from technically gifted players. Viva el rey - Vicente!!
BobbyLaverick wrote:Probably as good a player as any to don an albion shirt. Whilst understanding all the negativity surrounding vincente, the last two home games were simply crying out for his creativity. One cameo like the second half against pompey, and he will once again be our messi. The man is quality, and i for one would love him back .
Vicente? Who is Vicente?
Best player?
Needs to show that in a couple of seasons not matches
UTA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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lonegull
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11:10pm Tue 9 Oct 12
Why so many assumptions?
It's obvious the guy loves to play.
I don't believe he would miss the opportunity just to throw a sulk because he wants to go home. He's free to leave in May anyway and I'm sure he'd rather do that with his integrity intact.
I find some of the posts very disrespectful. If the player was to read this what would he think of clubs supposed supporters.
Yes with his history he is a gamble but now is not the time to judge.
We are talking about a player that when fit is still more than capable of lighting up the Premiership or La Liga. In fact if there is a more technically gifted player in the England squad I've not seen him.
If we don't see him to the last six games of the season then he helps get us promoted how many £millions is that worth to the club?
Alfie T
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11:35pm Tue 9 Oct 12
hannover seagull wrote:The exuberance of youth I suspect Hanover, I doubt he saw the legend that was Mark Lawrenson gliding over the Goldstone turf, what a player.
Ringmer Rich wrote:Great player yes
IRISHGULL wrote:He is definitely the best player ever to put on the blue and white stripes. He is top drawer, and the only reason he is playing for us is because of his injury problems. To be totally honest, I couldn't give a toss whether we get to the premier or not, I just want to see quality passing football from technically gifted players. Viva el rey - Vicente!!
BobbyLaverick wrote:Probably as good a player as any to don an albion shirt. Whilst understanding all the negativity surrounding vincente, the last two home games were simply crying out for his creativity. One cameo like the second half against pompey, and he will once again be our messi. The man is quality, and i for one would love him back .
Vicente? Who is Vicente?
Best player?
Needs to show that in a couple of seasons not matches
UTA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Ringmer Rich
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6:56am Wed 10 Oct 12
thruball
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8:14am Wed 10 Oct 12
GP's injury updates are all smoke & mirrors. He's nobody's fool.
El Rey is dead to us. He won't play for us in anger again. Shame.
tug509
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10:12am Wed 10 Oct 12
Hovite
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10:30am Wed 10 Oct 12
lonegull wrote:I do agree with you lonegull and you are not alone, I have spoken out on the negativity many times including when everyone wrote him off last season. But when he played he became the fan's hero.
Why is everyone so negative?
Why so many assumptions?
It's obvious the guy loves to play.
I don't believe he would miss the opportunity just to throw a sulk because he wants to go home. He's free to leave in May anyway and I'm sure he'd rather do that with his integrity intact.
I find some of the posts very disrespectful. If the player was to read this what would he think of clubs supposed supporters.
Yes with his history he is a gamble but now is not the time to judge.
We are talking about a player that when fit is still more than capable of lighting up the Premiership or La Liga. In fact if there is a more technically gifted player in the England squad I've not seen him.
If we don't see him to the last six games of the season then he helps get us promoted how many £millions is that worth to the club?
If I was him and I read what was written on here, it wouldn't inspire me to want to play for us.
I liken it to pooing on your own doorstep.
If anything Andy Naylor wrote the story to have a laugh at the response he has got, ranging from mental health to a criminal behavior.
He is a soft target for anyone wanting shooting practice.
Well done Andy.
tug509
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10:52am Wed 10 Oct 12
Hovite
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11:07am Wed 10 Oct 12
If I were him I certainly wouldn't lower, and defend myself on some of the comments made on here.
tug509
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11:40am Wed 10 Oct 12
mr punch
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12:11pm Wed 10 Oct 12
Hovite
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1:14pm Wed 10 Oct 12
tug509 wrote:What, so if you are sick off work, youve got to write into the Argus and make a statement.
Yes he does,if i decide not to go to work my boss expects a reason and quite right.Fratsomrover pointed out that if he had as much sicktime,he would get the sack! So far from "lowering "himself he is elevating himself above the rest of us.As for respect,well we all know that is earned,you have taken time to put your opinion on this site,why cant he tell the Argus how he is progressing,how hard can it be.UTA
You have quite clearly said that Vicente should make every effort to inform us (the supporters). Inform us of what? What do you want him to tell you?
Anyway I wasn't going to get involved and I was just laughing at the comments on here, especially the OJ Simpson one.
All I did was agree with Lonegull to make him not feel alone. You know, I sort of warmed to his name and he put a smile on my face.
Now youv'e jumped on my back for me agreeing with him, when you should be disagreeing with him, rather than disagreeing with me agreeing with him.
So how would you like to progress with this Tug?
Hovite
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1:27pm Wed 10 Oct 12
tug509
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2:14pm Wed 10 Oct 12
WisdomSpeaks
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2:19pm Wed 10 Oct 12
Ringmer Rich wrote:Hey what about Dennis Windross - now there was a master!!!!
Thank you for the kind comment, I haven't considered myself a youth in many a year - first started watching the Albion in 76-77. Lawro was probably the best central defender in the world at that time. Vicente is the most technically gifted player we've ever had.
VegasSeagull
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2:33pm Wed 10 Oct 12
All who come to this site would wish to see Vicente playing for us, all want his undoubted talents to be on display.
The fans were told about Hoskins, we were given a date for his return and it happened, maybe too quickly but that's another story. The club gives info on Vicente, that is true and fot that reason maybe Vicente doesn't have to, I get that. The problem with what the fans are being told is that it doesn't happen. Vicente, we were told, would be back in training after the Birmingham match, now it's after this break but will that happen?
I get the feeling that you are of the opinion that the club/players do not have a duty to keep the fans informed but they do. If the player doesn't want to speak that's fine but the club should fill the void and fill it with genuine factual statements. "Vicente will get back to full training after the Birmingham match," well yes but Christmas is after the Birmingham match, is that when he will be read?
I think the lack of his services and the tone of the comments on here are linked. The fans on here want him back, even those that say he should be, 'cut loose,' frustration born out of a desire that which is not being met. The fans are asking for clarity that's all.
WisdomSpeaks
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2:37pm Wed 10 Oct 12
I think the more troubling question is how modern are this medical team?
Are they up to date with energy medicine which is the medicine of the 21st Century. Often the medical establishment can be very arrogant and cynical about 'new' ideas - even though these ideas were presented by Einstein nearly 100 years ago - and he was ridiculed then!
To me I've always thought that Vicente, who I love as a player, is kind of depressed - his body language screams that out - and he seems overly concerned at even the slightest of 'knocks' taking time to examine them all carefully.
If you are a manager of men I believe I would do all in my powers to examine every avenue to get the best out of my most gifted employee.
There used to be an attitude amongst the old school of managers that when a player got injured you treated him like a leper to encourage him to get fit.
I'm not sure that is the most sensible way to treat people who you care about - or should care about and we are in a different era.
What does seem strange is that with all this supposed high flying medical assistance we appear to have numerous injuries especially hamstring problems.
I would definitely be looking at that if I were in their position. I like the Chinese system of doctors who only get paid when they have NO patients!!!
That seems a great enlightened idea!!!
VegasSeagull
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2:40pm Wed 10 Oct 12
VegasSeagull wrote:Where I write about Hoskins I should have wrote Buckley as that is who I was thinking of.
Hovite I don't think that the posts on here regarding Vicente are written out of some form of dislike for him, they all tell of frustration. All who come to this site would wish to see Vicente playing for us, all want his undoubted talents to be on display. The fans were told about Hoskins, we were given a date for his return and it happened, maybe too quickly but that's another story. The club gives info on Vicente, that is true and fot that reason maybe Vicente doesn't have to, I get that. The problem with what the fans are being told is that it doesn't happen. Vicente, we were told, would be back in training after the Birmingham match, now it's after this break but will that happen? I get the feeling that you are of the opinion that the club/players do not have a duty to keep the fans informed but they do. If the player doesn't want to speak that's fine but the club should fill the void and fill it with genuine factual statements. "Vicente will get back to full training after the Birmingham match," well yes but Christmas is after the Birmingham match, is that when he will be read? I think the lack of his services and the tone of the comments on here are linked. The fans on here want him back, even those that say he should be, 'cut loose,' frustration born out of a desire that which is not being met. The fans are asking for clarity that's all.
Hovite
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3:18pm Wed 10 Oct 12
tug509 wrote:There is no animosity, but you and I know exactly where we stand on V, I'm not going to convince you or change your opinion and likewise you mine.
I thought i was paranoid! ALL of us crave up to date information on OUR team,when a player makes a statement of intent as to his recovery and hopeful return to the squad it gives us something to look forward to and keeps us in the loop so to speak.However,as with V we have nothing! as for Hoskins his situation imo is completely seperate and quite different.I dont know why you get the impression i`ve "jumped on your back" this is after all a forum for an exchange of opinions,for my part there is no animosity and i am happy to be proved wrong if it means i have learned something.My main concern with V is that he is taking up resources which could be better used,and that he will keep being injured until his contract runs out,I`ve heard people say that he could win us promotion with his presence,my worry is he could lose us the chance with his absence.UTA
But for some reason you have drawn me into a debate that won't progress, when I was talking to someone else.
I know your thoughts Tug, I was just agreeing to someone elses.
Baldseagull
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6:18pm Wed 10 Oct 12
mark5 wrote:Vicente could say he is injured and is frustrated at not playing, just like every other injured player who is ever asked does, but I haven't seen one from Hoskins confirming his injury, or Crofts, or CMS and Tommy Elphick only spoke about his year long lay off 10 months into it.
Seagullsays, do not put yourself down! Your thoughts and opinions are in my view spot on! My thoughts on Vicente are very well documented on this site, over a long period, often to the point of attracting derision from my fellow contributers! There is no mystery over Vicente at all. He does not want to play for us as demonstrated in his activities over the summer and Gus has exercised the clause in his contract, effectively making him stay! The result is a pointless stalemate, with Vicente permanently injured or struggling, while making the odd cameo appearance to keep himself in the public eye for when his contract ends! And yes he is a quality player without doubt,and could do a great job for us, but he won't!! Time to end the farce and "mystery" and move him on. I have no insight into the complexities of his contract, but if money could then be allocated for a decent alternative striker, then great!
The guy is injured, he will be back, he may get injured again and he may take a long time to recover but when he is on the pitch he is sublime.
Hovite
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6:24pm Wed 10 Oct 12
VegasSeagull
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7:10pm Wed 10 Oct 12
The club, for what ever reasons, will not want to tell all they know about all that we want to know. We were not told of the injury Buckley was carrying, I use that just as an example.
Those that run this site have a vested interest in keeping us coming back. If you want 60+ responses to a headline then all you need is to do is suggest that there is a, 'mystery,' about Vicente.
We have the rest of this week and all of the next one to get through, I guess that there will be other contentious headlines to come.
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Gee Jay says...
10:35am Tue 9 Oct 12
Never mind 'We haven't got the best facilities in the world' It's a brand new stadium for heaven's sake!
What will happen at Lancing, if the management team are at the Amex?
If Vincente is viewed as such an important piece of the jigsaw, then surely Gus, Tanno or Charlie should be over in the treatment area on a very regular basis to keep, not only Mr V. but any other players like Will Hoskins, feeling as though they are still very much part of the squad.