Poyet's challenge to Hoskins (From The Argus)
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Poyet's challenge to Hoskins
9:30am Monday 15th October 2012 in Albion
Will Hoskins
Gus Poyet has challenged Will Hoskins to force his way back into the Albion first team.
But he does not expect the striker to be ready to compete for a place in the home game against Middlesbrough on Saturday.
Hoskins returns to full training with the rest of the squad tomorrow after recovering from a broken foot sustained in pre-season.
Poyet was disappointed to see the striker opt to join Sheffield United on loan for the second half of last season.
But the Albion boss said: “There is nothing for or against. He is under contract and it depends on a lot of options.
“He left last January, he never played for us again.
“It depends on him now, not on me. It is not in my hands, it’s in his hands.
“It depends if he is good enough to perform.
“If you can do better than someone else, you can play.”
Hoskins has not been listed in the Albion squad printed on the back of the match programme for home games.
The same applies to out of favour Matt Sparrow and Romain Vincelot.
Poyet said: “When he deserves to be there he will get a number.
“If in December or January, if the best player on the pitch in training for weeks is Matt Sparrow, he will get a number and he will play.”
Hoskins had made a bright start to pre-season before he was injured on the trip to Spain.
Poyet said: “Last week he was doing everything you can do but on his own – sprinting, jumping, turning, kicking the ball, passing. “From Tuesday he joins in with the team.
“That doesn’t mean he is going to be available to play straight away.”
Craig Mackail-Smith, Andrew Crofts, Will Buckley and Vicente are also due to rejoin the squad when work resumes tomorrow.
Comments(37)
Gibseagull
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9:54am Mon 15 Oct 12
the taffster
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10:03am Mon 15 Oct 12
Captain Haddock
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10:33am Mon 15 Oct 12
Secondly, I think Gus's comments above sound very stern (albeit with a carrot being dangled) but actually I have heard from my source that Gus has a blanket policy of not wanting players included in the programme team listings etc unless and until they are in first team squad contention.
He could perhaps have articulated that in a slightly gentler fashion here but then this is Gus we are talking about! (Said more with bemused endearment than as a dig btw).
Clean Sheet
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10:52am Mon 15 Oct 12
Dr Baldhead
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11:08am Mon 15 Oct 12
The irony is that his deal with us runs out next May. If he has a good second half of the season, as we all hope he will, the chances are he'll leave on a free anyway - I think it was take something very special to entice him to re-sign for Albion after the way he's been treated.
dave from bexill
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11:24am Mon 15 Oct 12
I think it's good that Hoskins seem on the way back at last(again) as he looked a decent player in a position where we we remain short of good options, especially when CMS is injured. I'm not sure off hand how many games Will has played since arriving at the Albion, either for us or whilst on loan at Sheffield Utd,but it's obviously very few. I wonder how it is then that he's not had the sort of anti feeling that Vicente has had to suffer on here from some quarters.
I was away for a few days last week and looked forward to catching up with all things Albion on my return, only to find the Vicente saga was back on the agenda to the point where frankly it's boring and in some cases stupid, in particular those who seem to think he's pulling a fast one because he wants away. With regard to what Taricco was saying about not knowing for sure Vicente's fitness situation, it seems to me all he's stating is that the club awaits information from the medics, which is not the same as saying neither he nor Gus have had contact or conversations with Vicente or any other injured player.
I do think also that on occasion Gus and Mauricio's words get taken out of context. The are Spanish speakers and though their English is excellent, interpretation can be misleading and perhaps the Argus would be better suited to confirming things rather than quoting their words verbatim.
Anyway it's nice to be back and have a moan. My wfe says I'm a miserable so and so when there's no game for a fortnight. UTA
dave from bexill
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11:27am Mon 15 Oct 12
Clean Sheet wrote:Absolutely Clean Sheet
I think we need to remind ourselves that while GP speaks good English, it is not his first, or probably his second language, so sometimes his comments may not be as he means them. I can stumble by in Italian, but I'm not sure I could convey all my thoughts.
tug509
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12:14pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Claude Back
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12:22pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Captain Haddock wrote:I agree with you Cap'n also with Clean Sheet. Gus seems to have taken it personally because Hoskins wanted to go out on loan when he could not get a game here.
First, I agree with you Taffster.
Secondly, I think Gus's comments above sound very stern (albeit with a carrot being dangled) but actually I have heard from my source that Gus has a blanket policy of not wanting players included in the programme team listings etc unless and until they are in first team squad contention.
He could perhaps have articulated that in a slightly gentler fashion here but then this is Gus we are talking about! (Said more with bemused endearment than as a dig btw).
Claude Back
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12:22pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Captain Haddock wrote:I agree with you Cap'n also with Clean Sheet. Gus seems to have taken it personally because Hoskins wanted to go out on loan when he could not get a game here.
First, I agree with you Taffster.
Secondly, I think Gus's comments above sound very stern (albeit with a carrot being dangled) but actually I have heard from my source that Gus has a blanket policy of not wanting players included in the programme team listings etc unless and until they are in first team squad contention.
He could perhaps have articulated that in a slightly gentler fashion here but then this is Gus we are talking about! (Said more with bemused endearment than as a dig btw).
IRISHGULL
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1:14pm Mon 15 Oct 12
tinker000
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1:17pm Mon 15 Oct 12
BITE on this you non stop posters
Tommy11
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1:28pm Mon 15 Oct 12
I work in Croydon and just seen Hoskins in a CPFC tracksuit having a coffee and chin wag with Glen Murray.
pte
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2:42pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Tommy11 wrote:Was that at Greggs the Bakers? Coffee and a bacon roll for £1.99
I have just seen on the Albion website that you can buy the live game Albion 0-1 Birmingham on DVD for £9.99!!....what a bargain!!
I work in Croydon and just seen Hoskins in a CPFC tracksuit having a coffee and chin wag with Glen Murray.
markymark03
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3:02pm Mon 15 Oct 12
The Man,
The Myth (very much so),
The legend?
Saul G P Tong
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3:05pm Mon 15 Oct 12
pablobrowno
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4:33pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Bish May Turn
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5:27pm Mon 15 Oct 12
VegasSeagull
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7:37pm Mon 15 Oct 12
To look to go out on loan because you can't force your way onto the sheet says more about the player than it does Gus.
When Hoskins chose a loan deal he took away an option for Gus, not a clever move if Gus asked him not to go. The loan deal over he now has to prove himself again for if he doesn't then his next move might turn out to be permanent.
Players have to commit to clubs, clubs don't have to commit to players. It's all about performances and performances are all about the player. Hoskins will get his chance, there will be matches for him but only he can deliver what is needed to keep him on the sheet.
I don't care who it is, CMS, Bridge or Tom, if your form goes away then it is up to you to get it back, there are enough in the squad to replace you. Those that get their chance to shine must take it when they can, nobody is owed anything by Gus, anything other than the chance to deliver.
Jonathan Mouette
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8:17pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Good luck Will, I sincerely hope it works out for you (and, as a result, for us). Fingers crossed.
Hovite
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8:38pm Mon 15 Oct 12
tug509
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11:25pm Mon 15 Oct 12
Jonathan Mouette
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7:57am Tue 16 Oct 12
dave from bexill
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8:24am Tue 16 Oct 12
hoskins a winner
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9:08am Tue 16 Oct 12
Just needs to be fit and have pitch time
Cabin fever
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9:18am Tue 16 Oct 12
Jonathan Mouette wrote:It was lost on me, because I don't bother reading his drivel.
To anyone who is confused, my previous posting referred to the contribution made immediately before me, not to GP or other contributors. And no, supercilious isn't too strong in this particular case. Voilà!
What's the problem?
Hovite
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10:06am Tue 16 Oct 12
Baldseagull
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10:08am Tue 16 Oct 12
The player first heard of the deal at the same time as the rest of the world, when Bournemouth announced it in the press.
He turned it down almost immediately.
I am pretty sure Hoskins would not have looked to get away on loan if this had not happened.
From the outside, as I see it, Gus did as much, if not more, to sour the relationship.
Hoskins is certainly good enough to have been in the side last season, but spent a lot of time injured, this season he will find it tougher for competition but if he gets a chance I would back him to keep his place, or at least do enough for some of us to wonder why he hasn't.
VegasSeagull
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12:28pm Tue 16 Oct 12
dave from bexill wrote:You assume correctly.The point that the moron missed was, Gus will treat all the same.
Vegas, who exactly are they, these players in the squad who can replace "CMS, Bridge or Tom" I assume you don't mean like for like?
VegasSeagull
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12:29pm Tue 16 Oct 12
VegasSeagull wrote:IMHO of course
dave from bexill wrote: Vegas, who exactly are they, these players in the squad who can replace "CMS, Bridge or Tom" I assume you don't mean like for like?You assume correctly.The point that the moron missed was, Gus will treat all the same.
VegasSeagull
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12:31pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Baldseagull wrote:and I hope you are right as I too think he has something to offer
Vegas, before Hoskins went out on loan, Gus had agreed a deal with Bournemouth to offload him, for the same fee we paid. The player first heard of the deal at the same time as the rest of the world, when Bournemouth announced it in the press. He turned it down almost immediately. I am pretty sure Hoskins would not have looked to get away on loan if this had not happened. From the outside, as I see it, Gus did as much, if not more, to sour the relationship. Hoskins is certainly good enough to have been in the side last season, but spent a lot of time injured, this season he will find it tougher for competition but if he gets a chance I would back him to keep his place, or at least do enough for some of us to wonder why he hasn't.
Sacre Bleu
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1:19pm Tue 16 Oct 12
Baldseagull wrote:Re Hoskins, you do well to remind us of the debacle over the "deal" with Bournemouth.
Vegas, before Hoskins went out on loan, Gus had agreed a deal with Bournemouth to offload him, for the same fee we paid.
The player first heard of the deal at the same time as the rest of the world, when Bournemouth announced it in the press.
He turned it down almost immediately.
I am pretty sure Hoskins would not have looked to get away on loan if this had not happened.
From the outside, as I see it, Gus did as much, if not more, to sour the relationship.
Hoskins is certainly good enough to have been in the side last season, but spent a lot of time injured, this season he will find it tougher for competition but if he gets a chance I would back him to keep his place, or at least do enough for some of us to wonder why he hasn't.
lAnd I don't buy this business of GP/MT's words or intentions being misinterpreted through language shortcomings. More a case of not knowing when to say less show solidarity with the players. Recently we were told that senior management had no regular contact with injured players (eg Vicente) because "the medical room is the other side of the training ground", and now we learn that Will Hoskins' loan to Sheffield United was contrary to the manager's wishes and that as a result seems to be on some kind of probation under which he has to convince the boss that he's still up to the job! Ditto Vincelot. Some things are surely better dealt with in confidence between the parties concerned? All we need to know is whether a player is fit, back in training, fully committed and in contention for selection. And in a similar vein, do we have to be assured repeatedly that we "will love Dobbie" - surely that's up to the supporters to decide? Sounds like someone's not convinced...........
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CAKEBEARD
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1:42pm Tue 16 Oct 12
pablobrowno wrote:Diagree Pablobrowno, Hoskins is way better than Dobie who is limited.
I think Hoskins is probably very similar to Dobbie, and I think Dobbie is probably the better version.
CAKEBEARD
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1:43pm Tue 16 Oct 12
pablobrowno wrote:Diagree Pablobrowno, Hoskins is way better than Dobie who is limited.
I think Hoskins is probably very similar to Dobbie, and I think Dobbie is probably the better version.
Jake-Forster-Caskey-Peng
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1:43pm Tue 16 Oct 12
SecondReserve
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7:24pm Tue 16 Oct 12
7Rookie says...
9:50am Mon 15 Oct 12