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Vicente in reserve for Albion (From The Argus)
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Vicente in reserve for Albion
10:48am Thursday 18th October 2012 in Albion By Andy Naylor
Vicente, primed for an outing with Albion's second string
Vicente could step up his recovery from injury with a run-out in the reserves, as long as Albion can find a suitable match for the Spanish playmaker.
A thigh tendon injury has limited the former Valencia star's Championship involvement for the Seagulls to one brief appearance as a substitute at the start of the season.
Boss Gus Poyet said: "It's very close. He was nearly training with us this week. It was just a matter of doing some extra work on his fitness and not to force him.
"As soon as he comes back he would like to play, that's the other issue with Vicente. He's not going to come back, train for three days, and expect to be out for another two or three weeks, so we are trying to manage that in a way that as soon as he joins training he is fit enough to cope with it and start being part of the squad.
"Then we'll see if we have got a very good game for the reserves at that time. It would be perfect for him to play but it would have to be a nice one. We don't want to send him anywhere where it's going to be an ugly Monday night, raining and cold. I don't think he would like that."
Leading marksman Craig Mackail-Smith should be back to lead the attack against Middlesbrough at The Amex on Saturday after recovering from a hamstring injury.
Poyet said: "When your top scorer is fit you have got a better chance to win the game. Macca has been impressive, absolutely different class this year.
"The idea is to make sure he is fit enough to start the game and for how long you can use him. That is going to depend on today and tomorrow."
Andrew Crofts and Will Buckley (both hamstring) are also available for Boro's visit.
Comments(52)
championshipgull
says...
11:34am Thu 18 Oct 12
seagullsays
says...
11:53am Thu 18 Oct 12
For goodness sake, who's in charge? If he's fit enough and the club want him to play, he should be doing as he's told. I don't care whether he fancies it or not.
Ken in Spain
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11:56am Thu 18 Oct 12
wiseman of hove
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12:14pm Thu 18 Oct 12
seagullsays wrote:Problem is that with winter approaching we might get an ugly Saturday afternoon, raining and cold. the manager will have to call the squad together to get volunteers to step out into it.
"We don't want to send him anywhere where it's going to be an ugly Monday night, raining and cold. I don't think he would like that."
For goodness sake, who's in charge? If he's fit enough and the club want him to play, he should be doing as he's told. I don't care whether he fancies it or not.
Rhodes Seagull
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12:20pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Quote:- Vicente could step up!!
I COULD win the lottery and buy us a couple of top class players.
Brighton COULD get promotion.
It may rain tomorrow or it COULD be 80 Deg with sunshine.
Speculation not hard facts!!!!
Dr Baldhead
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12:27pm Thu 18 Oct 12
In short, with VR it's a case of no pain no gain, but he'll enhance the team no end once he's back playing. UTA
Jonathan Mouette
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12:52pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Cabin fever
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1:08pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Ken in Spain wrote:You reckon wrong then, Ken.
I reckon Michael Owen plays more often that Vicente!
Since the start of the 2011/2012 season until now, MO has played six games, scoring three goals; 21 appearances
and also three goals for Vicente.
Dr Baldhead sums the situation up perfectly in his comment above. VR is a very special talent, who has been injury prone and needs to be treated differently to other players.
If that treatment in any way, shape or form helps him to produce performances on a par with Derby or Portsmouth last season, then I'm all for it.
7oakscgull
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1:40pm Thu 18 Oct 12
tinker000
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2:14pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Rhodes Seagull wrote:YES AND HE NEARLY TRAINED ,GUS YOU ARE A JOKE get a grip would you bend over for any other team member NO double standered and he is NOT WORTH IT
Sorry but another joke in reporting.
Quote:- Vicente could step up!!
I COULD win the lottery and buy us a couple of top class players.
Brighton COULD get promotion.
It may rain tomorrow or it COULD be 80 Deg with sunshine.
Speculation not hard facts!!!!
MarkBrighton
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2:20pm Thu 18 Oct 12
tinker000 wrote:He is worth it.
Rhodes Seagull wrote:YES AND HE NEARLY TRAINED ,GUS YOU ARE A JOKE get a grip would you bend over for any other team member NO double standered and he is NOT WORTH IT
Sorry but another joke in reporting.
Quote:- Vicente could step up!!
I COULD win the lottery and buy us a couple of top class players.
Brighton COULD get promotion.
It may rain tomorrow or it COULD be 80 Deg with sunshine.
Speculation not hard facts!!!!
Gus knows what he is doing.
the taffster
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3:02pm Thu 18 Oct 12
wiseman of hove
says...
3:12pm Thu 18 Oct 12
MarkBrighton wrote:A fit Vicente would of course be fantastic. Nobody disputes that (but Mark Lawrenson, incidentally, is by far the best player I have ever seen in an Albion shirt!)
tinker000 wrote:He is worth it.
Rhodes Seagull wrote:YES AND HE NEARLY TRAINED ,GUS YOU ARE A JOKE get a grip would you bend over for any other team member NO double standered and he is NOT WORTH IT
Sorry but another joke in reporting.
Quote:- Vicente could step up!!
I COULD win the lottery and buy us a couple of top class players.
Brighton COULD get promotion.
It may rain tomorrow or it COULD be 80 Deg with sunshine.
Speculation not hard facts!!!!
Gus knows what he is doing.
However ,I do sometimes wonder what the rest of the squad think of the situation. I think the manager knows what he is doing most of the time - look at the terrific progress under his stewardship - but I would suggest that the jury is out on the way this situation is being handled. Vicente is being done no favours by apparent statements that he might not like to play on a raining and cold Monday night. It reinforces the doubts, I'm afraid.
JollyRoger
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3:21pm Thu 18 Oct 12
seagullsays wrote:Couldn't agree more. If he's fit and wants to play here, he needs to be prepared to go out on cold, rainy days. It may have escaped his attention but he's not on the Costa del Sol anymore.
"We don't want to send him anywhere where it's going to be an ugly Monday night, raining and cold. I don't think he would like that."
For goodness sake, who's in charge? If he's fit enough and the club want him to play, he should be doing as he's told. I don't care whether he fancies it or not.
saraman
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3:42pm Thu 18 Oct 12
the herbster
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4:17pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Dr Baldhead wrote:I totally get what you are saying and i agree he is the best player ive ever seen for the Albion but this time round is a tad different.I think and i might be wrong but i dont think he wants to be here.I very much hope i am wrong but its just the vibes i am getting.
Let's just wait and see... frustrating as all this may be, it was like this last season. The thing was, he then made a comeback from injury and was quite simply the best player I, for one, have seen wear the stripes. In short, with VR it's a case of no pain no gain, but he'll enhance the team no end once he's back playing. UTA
Ringmer Rich
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4:28pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Gibseagull
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4:30pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Baldseagull
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4:38pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Ringmer Rich wrote:I concur
Leave the guy alone, he will come good. Couldn't care less if Gus swaddles him in cotton wool, if I get to watch him play more games this season, I'll be happy. I couldn't really give a toss if we get promoted or not, I just want to see classy football.
Bish May Turn
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4:39pm Thu 18 Oct 12
mark5
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4:41pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Baldseagull
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4:50pm Thu 18 Oct 12
JollyRoger wrote:Like it or not, if you want to get the best out of someone you try not to pi55 them off.
seagullsays wrote:Couldn't agree more. If he's fit and wants to play here, he needs to be prepared to go out on cold, rainy days. It may have escaped his attention but he's not on the Costa del Sol anymore.
"We don't want to send him anywhere where it's going to be an ugly Monday night, raining and cold. I don't think he would like that."
For goodness sake, who's in charge? If he's fit enough and the club want him to play, he should be doing as he's told. I don't care whether he fancies it or not.
Gus is saying that he does not think he would like it, that is not the same as Vicente saying he doesn't want to do it.
ballantrrae
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4:55pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Gibseagull wrote:I second your post Gibseagull.
The key is to use him as an impact player when he's fit. A lot of teams are going to "park the bus" against us this season, particularly at the Amex, and we need his skills as a master locksmith to unlock these massed defences we have already had problems with.
One comment. I suspect Vicente has a lower pain threshold than most.
dave from bexill
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5:21pm Thu 18 Oct 12
mark5 wrote:Sorry Mark, but how exactly do you know he doesn't want to stay and help the team get promoted?
How much longer must we continue with this crazy Circus?!! Is Vicente a great player? Yes!! Can Vicente add a winning dimension to a game? Yes!! Has Vicente been forced to stay at BHA by exercising a clause in his contract? Yes!! Does Vicente want to stay and help get the team promoted? No!! Time to cut him loose, end of story.
tug509
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5:21pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Baldseagull wrote:Heaven forbid we pi55 off a footballer,by asking him to play football.I would of loved to see how Brian Clough coped with such an unreasonable request!!
JollyRoger wrote:Like it or not, if you want to get the best out of someone you try not to pi55 them off.
seagullsays wrote:Couldn't agree more. If he's fit and wants to play here, he needs to be prepared to go out on cold, rainy days. It may have escaped his attention but he's not on the Costa del Sol anymore.
"We don't want to send him anywhere where it's going to be an ugly Monday night, raining and cold. I don't think he would like that."
For goodness sake, who's in charge? If he's fit enough and the club want him to play, he should be doing as he's told. I don't care whether he fancies it or not.
Gus is saying that he does not think he would like it, that is not the same as Vicente saying he doesn't want to do it.
pjwilk
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5:50pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Alfie T
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5:55pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Bish May Turn wrote:Absolutely Bish, let's look forward to what's important rather than speculate about what's not.
Who cares, all i know is there are just two more sleeps before i go and worship.
born again seagull
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6:12pm Thu 18 Oct 12
lonegull
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6:25pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Have to say I agree with bald seagull's comment above just bring on the classy football.
There are seagulls in Islamabad
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6:28pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Gee Jay
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6:38pm Thu 18 Oct 12
SMF20
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7:10pm Thu 18 Oct 12
wiseman of hove
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7:20pm Thu 18 Oct 12
namgo49
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7:28pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Ringmer Rich wrote:"..............he will come good." Yes and I might win the lottery without getting a ticket!!
Leave the guy alone, he will come good. Couldn't care less if Gus swaddles him in cotton wool, if I get to watch him play more games this season, I'll be happy. I couldn't really give a toss if we get promoted or not, I just want to see classy football.
weststandupperlacostearmy
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7:35pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Rhodes Seagull wrote:...one thing is for sure, my Mrs is ugly today, tomorrow and Saturday but at least then i will be with my first true love. SEAGULLS!
Sorry but another joke in reporting.
Quote:- Vicente could step up!!
I COULD win the lottery and buy us a couple of top class players.
Brighton COULD get promotion.
It may rain tomorrow or it COULD be 80 Deg with sunshine.
Speculation not hard facts!!!!
fairweathersupporter
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7:38pm Thu 18 Oct 12
But seriously, i'd like some context regarding what Gus said. The written word is often misleading...
OzzieGull
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7:48pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Cabin fever
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8:21pm Thu 18 Oct 12
dave from bexill wrote:Exactly what I was about to ask.
mark5 wrote:Sorry Mark, but how exactly do you know he doesn't want to stay and help the team get promoted?
How much longer must we continue with this crazy Circus?!! Is Vicente a great player? Yes!! Can Vicente add a winning dimension to a game? Yes!! Has Vicente been forced to stay at BHA by exercising a clause in his contract? Yes!! Does Vicente want to stay and help get the team promoted? No!! Time to cut him loose, end of story.
Too many Harveys
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10:46pm Thu 18 Oct 12
C1 BHA
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11:04pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Too many Harveys wrote:VERY well said (Bruv)
Have totally changed my mind with regard to all things negative related to the Albion. Vicente is one of the top few players ever to wear the Stripes. If he plays let’s enjoy watching him. If he doesn’t let’s not get too stressed – he’s a luxury this season and not an necessity as he was last season. I’ve said a few times before, those of us that stood at Gillingham and then sat in the rain for ten years at Withdean are still pinching ourselves every time we take our seats at the Amex. I don’t care if all l I have to look forward to is a home game against Middleborough for the next few years. That will do me. Saturday for me involves arriving with my brother and nephew at about 1.30pm, a couple of beers at the Hikers, a walk up to the architecturally stunning ground, a pie, and 2 hours of first class entertainment – regardless of the result. Back home to put my kids to bed, a film, and a cuddle with the wife before bed. What’s not to like? – I used to drive 150 miles every other week to watch total cr@p in another club’s awful stadium. Keep smiling folks – these are the days of our lives (until we win the Champions league… ;0) )
UTA
Vicente, best player to wear the stripes
and that includes Mark Lawrenson. He was good but he couldn't turn a game like Vicente can. Get fit soon VR and come and dazzle us!
Too many Harveys
says...
11:11pm Thu 18 Oct 12
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/19
977215
Couldn't agree more with Paul Barber and love that our club are at the forefront of such humane thinking. I only hope that all visiting supporters embrace what we at BHA are doing as if not there is a major incident waiting to happen as soon as the circumstances conspire against our liberal thinking. 0-0 after 91 minutes following a "lively" game v Palarse/Leeds/Millwa
ll and someone bags a controversial 92nd minute winner and I can see the lack of segregation at the Amex making headline news. I wish it wasn’t so, but relying on people to be responsible if treated like intelligent adults unfortunately doesn’t make it so.
Too many Harveys
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11:14pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Alfie T
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11:28pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Too many Harveys wrote:What's not to like, well I haven't seen your wife, but I expect she is lovely, great post TMH, we all need a reality check from time to time. My reality check comes after the hike up the infinite stair case leading to the WSU then out into the stand for a view which does and always will take my breath away.
Have totally changed my mind with regard to all things negative related to the Albion. Vicente is one of the top few players ever to wear the Stripes. If he plays let’s enjoy watching him. If he doesn’t let’s not get too stressed – he’s a luxury this season and not an necessity as he was last season. I’ve said a few times before, those of us that stood at Gillingham and then sat in the rain for ten years at Withdean are still pinching ourselves every time we take our seats at the Amex. I don’t care if all l I have to look forward to is a home game against Middleborough for the next few years. That will do me. Saturday for me involves arriving with my brother and nephew at about 1.30pm, a couple of beers at the Hikers, a walk up to the architecturally stunning ground, a pie, and 2 hours of first class entertainment – regardless of the result. Back home to put my kids to bed, a film, and a cuddle with the wife before bed. What’s not to like? – I used to drive 150 miles every other week to watch total cr@p in another club’s awful stadium. Keep smiling folks – these are the days of our lives (until we win the Champions league… ;0) )
VegasSeagull
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11:36pm Thu 18 Oct 12
I suggested a few weeks back that we could just about field two completely different teams and with that in mind, why not play a training match using out own players.
The guys all train for more than 90 minutes each day, Vicente would come up against the best defense in the division, and Gus would see how he might work with Dobbie and other new faces.
If Vicente does not want to play for Brighton then a new injury is not hard to have, for a guy who has been injured so many times through his career, when playing against an outside team. If Vicente does want to play for Brighton, he is not likely to get chopped by one of our own players, he would have a chance to show it in the all Brighton friendly.
. .
Baldseagull
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11:40pm Thu 18 Oct 12
Great article here:I think there will be no trouble with the majority of fixtures, no matter what happens on the pitch.
But there will always be trouble with a Brighton/Palace fixture on whichever day of the week or whatever time of day it is held.
No invitation for the Croydon boys to stay for a pint for the foreseeable future.
Baldseagull
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11:46pm Thu 18 Oct 12
VegasSeagull wrote:You forget how Hoskins broke his foot.
If Gus want to see how fit Vicente is I am not so sure that putting him in the reserves is the best way to find out, not when considering his perpencity for injury.
I suggested a few weeks back that we could just about field two completely different teams and with that in mind, why not play a training match using out own players.
The guys all train for more than 90 minutes each day, Vicente would come up against the best defense in the division, and Gus would see how he might work with Dobbie and other new faces.
If Vicente does not want to play for Brighton then a new injury is not hard to have, for a guy who has been injured so many times through his career, when playing against an outside team. If Vicente does want to play for Brighton, he is not likely to get chopped by one of our own players, he would have a chance to show it in the all Brighton friendly.
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Too many Harveys
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12:18am Fri 19 Oct 12
Capt. Sensiblé
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12:23am Fri 19 Oct 12
Baldseagull wrote:agree
Ringmer Rich wrote:I concur
Leave the guy alone, he will come good. Couldn't care less if Gus swaddles him in cotton wool, if I get to watch him play more games this season, I'll be happy. I couldn't really give a toss if we get promoted or not, I just want to see classy football.
Captain Haddock
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3:16am Fri 19 Oct 12
Too many Harveys wrote:Great post TMH, pretty well sums it up for me...albeit I don't go to The Hikers' Rest or cuddle your wife!!!
Have totally changed my mind with regard to all things negative related to the Albion. Vicente is one of the top few players ever to wear the Stripes. If he plays let’s enjoy watching him. If he doesn’t let’s not get too stressed – he’s a luxury this season and not an necessity as he was last season. I’ve said a few times before, those of us that stood at Gillingham and then sat in the rain for ten years at Withdean are still pinching ourselves every time we take our seats at the Amex. I don’t care if all l I have to look forward to is a home game against Middleborough for the next few years. That will do me. Saturday for me involves arriving with my brother and nephew at about 1.30pm, a couple of beers at the Hikers, a walk up to the architecturally stunning ground, a pie, and 2 hours of first class entertainment – regardless of the result. Back home to put my kids to bed, a film, and a cuddle with the wife before bed. What’s not to like? – I used to drive 150 miles every other week to watch total cr@p in another club’s awful stadium. Keep smiling folks – these are the days of our lives (until we win the Champions league… ;0) )
Am loving our stadium and classy football. Life is good.
Bish May Turn
says...
9:23am Fri 19 Oct 12
Captain Haddock wrote:That's not what his wife told me!!
Too many Harveys wrote: Have totally changed my mind with regard to all things negative related to the Albion. Vicente is one of the top few players ever to wear the Stripes. If he plays let’s enjoy watching him. If he doesn’t let’s not get too stressed – he’s a luxury this season and not an necessity as he was last season. I’ve said a few times before, those of us that stood at Gillingham and then sat in the rain for ten years at Withdean are still pinching ourselves every time we take our seats at the Amex. I don’t care if all l I have to look forward to is a home game against Middleborough for the next few years. That will do me. Saturday for me involves arriving with my brother and nephew at about 1.30pm, a couple of beers at the Hikers, a walk up to the architecturally stunning ground, a pie, and 2 hours of first class entertainment – regardless of the result. Back home to put my kids to bed, a film, and a cuddle with the wife before bed. What’s not to like? – I used to drive 150 miles every other week to watch total cr@p in another club’s awful stadium. Keep smiling folks – these are the days of our lives (until we win the Champions league… ;0) )Great post TMH, pretty well sums it up for me...albeit I don't go to The Hikers' Rest or cuddle your wife!!! Am loving our stadium and classy football. Life is good.
tinker000
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5:42pm Fri 19 Oct 12
MarkBrighton wrote:sure there is a school side who would give him a tough game
tinker000 wrote:He is worth it.
Rhodes Seagull wrote:YES AND HE NEARLY TRAINED ,GUS YOU ARE A JOKE get a grip would you bend over for any other team member NO double standered and he is NOT WORTH IT
Sorry but another joke in reporting.
Quote:- Vicente could step up!!
I COULD win the lottery and buy us a couple of top class players.
Brighton COULD get promotion.
It may rain tomorrow or it COULD be 80 Deg with sunshine.
Speculation not hard facts!!!!
Gus knows what he is doing.
Clean Sheet says...
10:54am Thu 18 Oct 12