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Hastings Tories 'defying wishes of voters'

10:16am Friday 16th May 2008

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By Jonathan Stayton »

A new council cabinet is entirely true blue Tory - despite more than half of voters choosing other parties The Conservatives got just 9,530 of a possible 62,083 votes at the elections on May 1.

The Conservatives hold 15 of the 32 seats and won just 42% of votes cast, yet have complete control of the decision making cabinet. Labour have 13 seats, the Liberal Democrats three and there is also one Independent.

At the first council meeting of the year at the White Rock Theatre on Wednesday, councillors voted 17 to 16 to reduce the size of the cabinet to six, comprising only Conservative councillors.

The Liberal Democrats and Labour joined forces to vote against the proposal which was supported by sole Independent and former Conservative, coun Stephen Springhtorpe.

Tory Mayor Maureen Charlesworth's deciding vote tipped the balance in favour of the Conservatives.

Leader of the Labour party coun Jeremy Birch said the move was totally inappropriate.

He said: "The Tories are directly defying the wishes of the voters of the town by bulldozing an all Conservative cabinet through. It is shameful.

"Whether the political parties like it or not the people of Hastings have elected a hung council with no party holding a majority of seats. By taking every seat on the key decision-making cabinet the Tories are saying to the voters we don't care what you think we know better.

"They were only able to get away with this by using the Mayorís casting vote and enticing the one independent to compromise his claim to independence by lining up with them. What sort of independent is it who deliberately allows a single party cabinet?"

Coun Birch had moved an amendment for the cabinet to comprise four Conservatives, four Labour and one Liberal Democrat but it was also voted out.

He said the composition of the cabinet was not about numbers but about policies and having a council leadership that listened to the needs of the electorate.

Coun Birch has put forward a motion to restore the 9am start for pensioners' free bus fares after the previous cabinet changed it to 9.30am.

He added: "Anyone who has now helped the Tories take every seat on the cabinet has voted to keep the 9.30am start for we know they won't change the start time back.

"Anyone who has helped them take every seat on the cabinet has also voted against providing free travel for our disabled residents on dial-a-ride."

Labour's coun Godfrey Daniel said he had wanted to see a balanced cabinet, reminding councillors they were in Hastings, not Zimbabwe.

Council leader Peter Pragnell, who was re-elected, said: "It's called democracy. We got more votes than Labour on Wednesday and of course at the election too.

"We are the largest party yet coun Birch proposed an equal number of Conservative and Labour councillors on the cabinet.

"We have a higher vote and a higher number of members than him.

"When he was last in control he had only four cabinet members and the workload was far too high so we proposed six members."

Hastings Borough Council's new all-Conservative all-male cabinet now comprises couns Peter Pragnell, Matthew Beaver, Peter Finch, Robert Cooke, Matthew Lock, and Roy Tucker.

Is democracy dead in Hastings? Have your say below.

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Roy Hills, Heathfield says...
10:53am Fri 16 May 08

I'd say "Good-oh" seeing what Hastings has become under Labour. It'll also mean an end to the millions from Westminster wasted on cosmetic'improvement
s' to the place!

Andrew, Brighton says...
10:55am Fri 16 May 08

Coun Birch has put forward a motion to restore the 9am start for pensioners' free bus fares after the previous cabinet changed it to 9.30am.

He added: "Anyone who has now helped the Tories take every seat on the cabinet has voted to keep the 9am start for we know they won't change the start time back.


I envy Hastings if the biggest issue they've got is whether free bus travel for pensioners starts at 9:00am or 9:30am!

Stroller, Hove says...
11:36am Fri 16 May 08

But the Labour government continues with this first past the post system and the cabinet set-up. So how can Labour councillors object?

paul, brighton says...
11:38am Fri 16 May 08

Between them all the labour MPs sitting in parliament received a total of 6.6 million votes. The electorate is 44.25 million.

Remind me - how many non-labour ministers are there under gordon brown?

Red Bazza, end of the pier says...
11:54am Fri 16 May 08

What goes around....

Freya, Brighton says...
11:56am Fri 16 May 08

I'll be 18 soon, but don't understand the voting system : e.g. if Labour got 1000 votes, Tories 800 votes & Lib Dems 500 votes, Labour would win even though more people voted against them than for them, is that right ?

nevahwen, at my desk says...
12:55pm Fri 16 May 08

I've always thought our electoral system is a 'demockery' !!

This Hastings situation just exposes it brilliantly.

Add to that the fact that it is the civil servants (for Parliament) and the public servants (for local authorities) who effectively call the shots - just who or what do we vote for?
I don't support this system so I no longer vote.
When the voting turnout gets low enough something will be done about the system.


Nevahwen, at my desk says...
12:58pm Fri 16 May 08

I've always thought our electoral system is a 'demockery' !!

This Hastings situation just exposes it brilliantly.

Add to that the fact that it is the civil servants (for Parliament) and the public servants (for local authorities) who effectively call the shots - just who or what do we vote for?
I don't support this system so I no longer vote.
When the voting turnout gets low enough something will be done about the system.


Ken Ross, Bucks says...
1:08pm Fri 16 May 08

To nevahwen, so you do not vote, then you have no right to complain about anything that is going on. Even when turnouts are low democracy is still the order of the day and allows you to make a valid non vote. If you were went live in Australia you would find it is compulsory to vote. I was some years ago involved with local elections and as you can purchase the list of who actually went to the polling stations to vote, of course you could not I must add find out how people voted, I always bought the list form the latest election and if anyone complained about anything I would look up on the list to see if they had turned out to the polling station on the day, if they had not I used to say to them why should anyone bother to help you you did not bother to vote. However of course the person elected still had to do what he or she could to respond to the person but I made it clear what I thought of them not botherin to vote jet still demanding help.

nevahwen, at my desk says...
1:21pm Fri 16 May 08

Dear Ken,
My understanding is that all law abiding citizens in this country have the right to abstain.
Also, I understand that in Australia there is a box for saying there is no-one you wish to support so effectively in Australia there is a right to a protest vote.
Even so the Australian system does not register a protest against the first past the post system.
As I see it, not voting is the only way to protest against it - both here and in Australia.
Besides, as I said, we do not choose the officials behind the scenes and neither do the MPs or Councillors.
Until all that changes...

Scorpion, Newhaven says...
1:25pm Fri 16 May 08

Conservatives on Lewes District as the minority party were asking for a share of the pie in LDC on Wednesday. Nice to see just how far they will go out of their way to accommodate other parties when they are the largest party in a hung council. Its a different game isnt it?

Barry Fryingpan, Shoreham says...
1:31pm Fri 16 May 08

"He said the composition of the cabinet was not about numbers but about policies and having a council leadership that listened to the needs of the electorate."

Yes, the needs of 9,530 out of 62,083 of the electorate. Move over, Mugabe.

tumble, weed says...
2:46pm Fri 16 May 08

Its amazing how many peple seem to believe the conservative propaganda.You'd have to be off your rocker to think David Cameron and his like are gonna improve the mess we already have!
Conservative means: 'keeping the good old boys,the aristocrisy and the rich happy and on side'

Dont believe the hype! unless your very rich,you'd be better off voting for 'anyone but' the conservatives!

nevahwen, at my desk says...
4:11pm Fri 16 May 08

I agree about the mess ‘tumble, weed’ but, in my view who you vote for is irrelevant!

This mess we ‘enjoy’ today is the legacy of Mrs. Thatcher’s market forces politics/government which was further developed by the ‘other Tories’ (i.e. New Labour) since they came into power.

Sadly, the modern rules of our electoral system militate against our original democratic ideology of voting for ‘your representative’. The electoral system has evolved to serve career politicians interests alongside political parties’ interests by setting candidates’ permitted electoral expenses so low per capita that only political parties can spread the cost nationwide by having standard publicity cheaply printed. Thus, it is almost impossible for an independent to stand for election.

Meanwhile, unelected and unwanted business interests (through persistent lobbying of MPs, Councillors and civil / public servants) are foisted upon the electorate.

The voting public hardly features (even when they protest through the proper channels – i.e. writing letters during statutory consultation periods and public inquiries - for example, the hugely unpopular proposed incinerator for Newhaven) until voting numbers fall so significantly the establishment starts worrying, which they have been recently.

That worry engenders a U turn from the convention that politics never used to be mixed with standard school education. What we see now is a shoring up of this deeply flawed ‘first past the post’ system by taking politics to adolescents in the form of schools councils, youth councils and youth parliaments.

No doubt I’m cynical but I have no faith that any minority party would change the current system once they are in power since they all bleat “proportional representation” but once in office conveniently forget about it.

Make no mistake; no matter who you vote for, they are all the same (reference the Liberal Democrats at Lewes District Council - Scorpion, Newhaven above).

Until the system enables voters to elect councils and parliaments whose real aim is to serve the electorate rather than the interests already mentioned above then the electorate remains ill served.

Sadly, as I see it the laudable aims of our original democracy have been entirely lost.


Ken Ross, Bucks says...
6:42pm Fri 16 May 08

To nevahwen, really I am surprised you do not date all our problems to 1066 and King Alfred, perhaps that is too far back but to just go to Thatcher era really. You could perhaps blame Gladstone for all the trouble he caused. What you have to look to is the here and now. It is those so called 'in charge' that are doing the damage to this country, there is nothing to stop them making changes to support this country and bring back a situation where we as a Country can make our own minds up not some small group in the EU.

BigUp, EasterHouse says...
7:00pm Fri 16 May 08

ffs dont mention the King Alfred on this site.....
Nice to see other aspects of East Sussex feature in this newspaper for a change.

Nevahwen, at my desk says...
11:01pm Fri 16 May 08

I always find this anti EU stance curious since the UK establishment was so intricately involved in setting up the European Community in the first place.

We were asked to post our views on this thread as to whether democracy was dead in Hastings.

All I did was say how I thought the original concept of democracy has been lost here and now as well as all over the UK; not just in Hastings.

Unless people speak out wherever and whenever they can it will be assumed this eroded state of affairs is acceptable.

frosty image, this world or Hastings says...
10:51am Tue 3 Jun 08

Hastings has lot the plot, just ask any businessman or women. Downward turn, what hope do our grand children have with bad pay and no good industries or jobs. www.hastings-reality

.co.uk

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