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Hunting ban

I AM writing out of interest with regard to the fox hunting ban that has recently come under scrutiny again.

The Conservative Party recently stated it was extremely likely that a vote for the Tories was a vote to bring back fox hunting.

As the Conservatives have been getting a lot of good press lately I think it is important to remind everyone what a vote for fox hunting means.

Fox hunting is a cruel sport. You do not win by getting a ball in a net or by swimming a length the fastest. You win by killing a fox. It is inhumane, unnecessary and very sad that it may be allowed back into England.

There are three reasons often given as to why fox hunting should be allowed: it is a tradition, a form of countryside control and that we as humans should be able to do as we please as long as we do not harm other humans.

Firstly, it may be a traditional sport but that does not give it any rights. It was once acceptable to keep slaves and for women to be banned from voting, both terrible historic facts and both things we have been able to overcome as a nation, so why can we not overcome something as obviously cruel as fox hunting?

Secondly, if the countryside needs to be controlled it can be done humanely with professional marksmen. There’s no need for fox hunting where foxes, despite claims of an instant death, often suffer for a long time before they finally die.

Finally, yes people should be entitled to freedom, but causing cruelty and unnecessary suffering should not be a freedom.

Ghandi said that a country can be judged by the way it treats its animals and so far England has set a high standard for other countries with animal welfare. We should be proud of that and continue to move forward and not go backwards.

To oppose fox hunting is not prejudice and it is not out of lack of understanding of rural life. It is out of compassion and respect for all living creatures and a strong belief in right and wrong. Killing for sport is wrong.

Stephanie Bray Western Road Hove

Comments(10)

Bog Fox says...
9:12am Thu 13 Aug 09

I think that it is one of the UKs last great traditions and I say Long Live the Hunt! Our culture and heratiage is very importnat. My friend is huntsman and he looks after hounds 24/7. He is paid a very small salary and gets to live at kennels with hounds for free. His home is provided and so this really is a way of life for him, the 1st Whip/kennelman and the hunt horse grooms. All find themselves in this position. Foxhunting does ensure a quick death. I have seen it. I'll bet money that Stephanie Bray has not! There must be an element of cruelty involved as to kill somethinng will produce this. The real question we should ask is...Is it any more cruel than other methods of control. The answer is no. Anyone who has seen someone shoot a fox with a 12 bore will be able to tell you this!

fascinator says...
9:30am Thu 13 Aug 09

I have no idea, nor do i care if Stephanie Bray has seen a fox hunt, but in my opinion, fox hunting is something that should be consigned to the dustbin of history - like ****-fighting, bearbaiting and other cruel sports. The killing of animals for sport is just plain uncivilised!. I'm sorry that some people may have to change their employment as a result, but that's the way of the world. People could still dress up and gallivant through the countryside - just leave the hounds at home!

salty_pete says...
11:32am Thu 13 Aug 09

The fox is still legally recognised as vermin. So you can apply any cruel, lingering method of death you like and not be prosecuted; except if you hunt it with dogs. The Law as enacted is absurd, and is an accurate reflection of how incompetent Nu-Labor is. Under the banner of "cultural diversity" all manner of cruel acts against animals are allowed in this country (I still remember the photograph of a sheep having its throat cut in a London street to celebrate some Muslim tradition) but somehow our own British culture has been diminished by this absurd Law.

puddingandpi says...
12:00pm Thu 13 Aug 09

If fox-hunting is re-legalised I'm going to start a campaign to re-legalise bull baiting.

Bull baiting was only banned because toffs didn't like to see peasants having fun (same reason football was banned).

After bull baiting I'm going to campaign for a return of badger baiting.

I mean, it's all the same, isn't it? Badgers are vermin, they spread disease, they dig holes all over the place & I don't see why the plebs shouldn't have their traditional sports reinstated - otherwise you're just picking on the peasants. And foxes.

Bog Fox says...
5:46pm Thu 13 Aug 09

You do not understand what happens do you. Lots of people hunt just for the ride. They never see a kill, they don't want to. But to them it is sport. To the hunt officals it is a job. Culling foxes quickly and effectively for the farmers. It is a job. The "sport" slogan only applies to people who ride out for fun like any social riding. You show your ignorance when you compare fox hunting with bear baiting, bull fighting and **** fighting. All of these are sick. The animal has no chance of escape. It is not culling for a purpose and it is not in the natural environment of the animal. Fox hunting culls the weak in an environmentally friendly way, it is the only control method to promote natural selection. Fitter foxes aare more likely to get away. With shootiong you simply blast the first 20 foxes to come along.

Bog Fox says...
5:51pm Thu 13 Aug 09

Antis never mention that the 134 packs of fox hounds in the UK collect millions of fallen stock (dead farm animals) from farmers. The carcass cannot be burned or buried by the farmer. So what is he/she to do with it? To the hounds is the sensible solution. The hounds eat the meat. This is an environmentally helpful solution to the problem.We use live organisms (hounds) to dispose of unwanted and potentailly harmful meat.
There are 20000 hunting hounds in the UK. They are for hunting and cannot live outside of the pack. For their sakes, repeal this stupid law!

puddingandpi says...
7:05pm Thu 13 Aug 09

I am a riding instructor & horse-keeper, I've been riding for 36 years & I know all about fox-hunting!
I've even been fox-hunting. I know the field does not chase for the kill, they chase for the thrill. I know the field doesn't see the kill & wouldn't want to. The chase is addictive, I know that.
But if hunting is all about getting rid of problem foxes, why are hounds bred to hunt by scent? Real hounds are fast, fox-hounds are deliberately slow so there *is* a chase - it would be over too quickly if we still used the type of hounds the Tudors used. In times past, it was all about quantity. When you'd caught one beast you set off again for the next.
Drag hunting is the answer & there is no excuse or reason to relegalise fox-hunting.
It's just using cruelty to animals as entertainment - the same as "dancing" bears, rodeos & bull baiting.

Bog Fox says...
9:15am Fri 14 Aug 09

Are you so sure that you are who you say you are, Puddingandpi? You again show your ignorance with, "real hounds are fast". Thats rubbish. Grey hounds are fast and hunt by sight. The word Grey comes from the word Gaze meaning to use sight. Foxhounds are real hounds. They are not breed to be fast or slow. They go as quick as the scenting conditions aand their noses will let them. They can do 30mph.
Its laughable that you say the tudors had faster foxhounds. Look up the history of foxhounds over the last 300 years and you will see that in fact hounds were much slower in olden days. The would hunt the drag of the fox (his trail left over night back to his resting place (called his kennel). They would put the fox up but not often be quick enought to catch him, unless he was injuried, sick or unwell. Hugo Mynell of the Quorn Hunt in Leciestershire developed faster foxhounds capable of catching foxes. It was a sport but developed into todays pest control service for farmers. Before you presume to re-write history for us, perhaps do the research first or you risk making yourself look silly. Hunt on!

puddingandpi says...
11:35am Fri 14 Aug 09

I know full well the difference between a fox-hound & a "real" hound.
Look at pictures of hunts from times past, the hounds are of a lurcher / greyhound type. It was later that we bred fox-hounds to be sturdy, slower scent-hounds.
This ensures a longer chase. Hunters need to be honest & stop giving it: "oh, if we didn't hunt the countryside would go to rack & ruin; we have to hunt foxes because they're vermin (& who decided that?); we have to kill foxes because they kill things (a: they're animals, they don't kill for pleasure, b: if we killed every animal that killed, what would we have left?) & we don't *enjoy* hunting, it's a duty" (that involves the effort & expense of having at least one horse & all the paraphernalia).
Just be honest - it's fun, you enjoy it & you don't actually give a toss about cruelty & animal suffering. I'm fine with that! I don't have a problem with that but you have to accept that to legalise this pastime would be a retrograde step for our society. Remember, you can judge a society by how it treats the vulnerable - the young, the elderly & animals.

Fight Back says...
1:19pm Mon 17 Aug 09

Fox's do hunt for pleasure or certainly not just for food. That's why farners regularly see a number of dead lambs after a fox attack ( one might be taken for food but the others are always left dead in the field ). The same happens when they get into hen houses - they don't just kill one they kill a number.

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