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You can have your fossil fuel fill, but then what?

I MUST reply to two letters I’ve read recently about cycling and car usage, both from different perspectives.

Steve Percy makes a valid point when he says people need to move around in the manner “which suits them best” (Letters, January 17). In his case, and that of others, he is referring to driving everywhere. Very well, but this doesn’t help us address the fact there are too many cars on the road, and not enough space for everyone to use it as it suits them.

I cycle to work. I enjoy it most of the time but sometimes it becomes a bind, especially in cold weather. What would really suit me best is a fast, powerful car of my own with its own comfortable, personalised interior and a nice sound system. If that was the case, what would also really suit me best is to cut a new road from my house, through the park nearby, directly to my office, where I would have my own parking space to myself. That really would suit me best, but will it ever happen?

It’s not a question of what suits us best – it’s a question of what the roads will realistically look like five or ten years ahead.

This is something I feel D Cook might agree with (Letters, January 20). He/she is 100% correct in pointing out the benefits of cycling and the fact it is the solution to a lot of the problems facing us on Britain’s roads.

Unfortunately, he/she is also correct in stating there is a wall of selfishness and idiocy on the part of some drivers who cannot – or refuse to – see the bigger picture: that roads will only get busier in the future.

But they need not worry, for their voices will be heard the loudest. When everyone has had enough of the Green Party trying to save the planet, every motorist will likely exercise their economic right to gorge on as much fossil fuel as they can manage, until there is none left. And then what?

M Arrowsmith, Dyke Road, Brighton

I FEEL the desecration of a major section of Old Shoreham Road, the main east-west route through the city other than trekking up to the bypass, for a cycle lane ought to go down in history as the stupidest piece of ideological blindness since the pointless semi-destruction of Grand Avenue for the same purpose. In busy times, I think the Old Shoreham Road constriction will give new meaning to the term “bottleneck”, while at the same time creating even heavier traffic problems on alternative routes which at present are relatively minor. It is time we woke up to the fact that “Green” has meanings other than eco-friendly.

M Boyask, New Church Road, Hove

Comments(13)

salty_pete says...
9:33am Thu 2 Feb 12

I have never believed their spiel that the Green Party is "eco friendly". They are so naive they've never heard of the law of unintended consequences. Plus wind turbines kill birds, ruin the countryside, don't work when you need them most AND still need a full complement of power stations to back'em up.

fredaj says...
10:15am Thu 2 Feb 12

Green is just a cover for the extreme left who could not stomach the New Labour brand of socialism.

They know Marxism is unacceptable to the majority but they also know that the majority do not bother to read manifestos or to take more than a passing interest in a political party's ideology beyond the soundbite.

Andy R says...
11:44pm Thu 2 Feb 12

fredaj wrote:
Green is just a cover for the extreme left who could not stomach the New Labour brand of socialism. They know Marxism is unacceptable to the majority but they also know that the majority do not bother to read manifestos or to take more than a passing interest in a political party's ideology beyond the soundbite.
Ooh dear! Has Widdums lost an election, and looking for others to blame? Right-wing free-market Conservatism is what the majority find unacceptable mate! If you add up all the votes cast for Labour, Lib Dem (before anyone knew they'd turn blue), Green and other parties to the left, if far outweighs the Tory vote. There's a natural progressive majority in this country with differences only in terms of degree.

It'll be interesting to see at the next election where all the angry, sold-out Lib Dems go.

Busterblister says...
6:41am Fri 3 Feb 12

Andy R wrote:
fredaj wrote:
Green is just a cover for the extreme left who could not stomach the New Labour brand of socialism. They know Marxism is unacceptable to the majority but they also know that the majority do not bother to read manifestos or to take more than a passing interest in a political party's ideology beyond the soundbite.
Ooh dear! Has Widdums lost an election, and looking for others to blame? Right-wing free-market Conservatism is what the majority find unacceptable mate! If you add up all the votes cast for Labour, Lib Dem (before anyone knew they'd turn blue), Green and other parties to the left, if far outweighs the Tory vote. There's a natural progressive majority in this country with differences only in terms of degree.

It'll be interesting to see at the next election where all the angry, sold-out Lib Dems go.
In England the Tory party regularly receive the Lion's share of the popular vote. The Greens got half the vote of the BNP at the last election.

Hopefully Labour will continue with Ed Balls, one of the architects of our countries current misfortunes, and Ed Millibandwagon, who will only be remembered for stabbing his brother in the back.

As for the Greens in Brighton, there are enough people here with lots of money who can afford to be edgy and trendy in their own minds to vote Green, and plenty of people with no financial stake in society motivated by envy. That might see the Greens re-elected.

fredaj says...
9:54am Fri 3 Feb 12

Andy R wrote:
fredaj wrote:
Green is just a cover for the extreme left who could not stomach the New Labour brand of socialism. They know Marxism is unacceptable to the majority but they also know that the majority do not bother to read manifestos or to take more than a passing interest in a political party's ideology beyond the soundbite.
Ooh dear! Has Widdums lost an election, and looking for others to blame? Right-wing free-market Conservatism is what the majority find unacceptable mate! If you add up all the votes cast for Labour, Lib Dem (before anyone knew they'd turn blue), Green and other parties to the left, if far outweighs the Tory vote. There's a natural progressive majority in this country with differences only in terms of degree.

It'll be interesting to see at the next election where all the angry, sold-out Lib Dems go.
Eh?

I don't understand what a rant about how there are more left-wing voters than there are right-ring voters has to do with an observation that the Greens have very little really interest in the health of the planet.

nicole/bob says...
8:04pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Hi Andy (most people this and most people that) R.

Sorry to once again confound your ill-informed comments with the actual truth.

Read and weep:
1. At the last General election in this country in 2010, the top line results were:
Conservatives 36.1% (+3.8%)
Labour 29.0% (-6.2%)
libDems 23% (+ 1.0%)

The Greens secured a massive 1.0% of the National vote (-0.1%)

Overall just 65.1% of the UK population voted ie 34.9% did not, so it is simply wrong for you to say (unless you have evidence to the contrary that is) that the majority of people in this country voted against the Conservatives...just what are your facts for making this sweeping claim.

A reasoned response would really be appreciated please.

Sorry to have to keep introducing such pesky things like detail to challenge your arguments!

Bob, Hove

nicole/bob says...
8:41pm Fri 3 Feb 12

Correction, sorry but whilst an increasing number of people in the UK voted Conservative at the last General Election (36.1%, an increase of 3.8%),as opposed to a decline of 6.2% for Labour (29.0 %), not to mention the pathetic 1.0% for the Greens (less than half of the BNP Vote) a reduction of 0.1%. it looks as if the voting pattern is actually moving in favour of the Conservatives.

And just who knows what the 34.9% who didn't vote were thinking?

Bob, Hove

graham_Seagull says...
9:54am Sat 4 Feb 12

Bob? Nicole? Which one are you today then eh?

Probably goes along with the standard Tory treatment of the 'average Joe'.....that's to say ready to switch sides and change the story at the drop of a hat

nicole/bob says...
6:35pm Sat 4 Feb 12

Hi Graham...I am Bob and Nicole is my wife. Exactly which sides have we switched and which "stories" have we changed as suggested by you?

Bob, Hove

nicole/bob says...
9:37pm Sat 4 Feb 12

As ever, we never see a reasoned response from the likes of Andy R or Graham Seagull when you ask them to provide a precise response to support their completely fallacious views... they seem unable to comprehend even the most simple published Government statistics which show they are completely wrong in everything they say and seem more intent on pursuing and spouting out more leftist propaganda regardless of the realities of the case!

Bob, Hove

Aquamedic says...
9:49pm Sat 4 Feb 12

Great! Someone (M Arrowsmith) makes the valid point that we are selfishly starving and polluting the planet so our children and grandchildren will have no fossil fuels and live in a far less healthy world due to global warming.
The rest of us can't face talking about important things so we retreat into bickering about politics. Sorry M Arrowsmith!

nicole/bob says...
10:52pm Sun 5 Feb 12

Hi Andy R/Graham Seagull/Aquademics and all other fellow trots.

Just totally admire the fact that you all seem to live in some form of dreamland where you can say whatever you want regardless of the actual facts of life, what bliss!

The reality though is that at the last General Election in 2010, the headline results were as follows:

1. Conservatives 307 seats (100 gain, 3 loss)
2. Labour 258 seats(3 gain, 94 loss)
3. Lib/Dem 57 seats(8 gain, 13 loss)
4. Greens 1 seat
5. DUP 8 seats
6 SNP 6 seats
7. SF 5 seats
8. PC 3 seats
9. SDNP 3 seats
10. Alliance 1 seat
11. UKIP 0.0 seats
12. BNP 0.0 seats

...there are various other minor parties' results recorded on the Government website.

Hardly a massive anti-Tory vote is it?

Am really sorry to have to keep introducing such tiresome facts into our debate. Better surely that we should all simply ignore the truth and carry on regardless!

Bob, Hove

Busterblister says...
11:40am Mon 6 Feb 12

Aquamedic wrote:
Great! Someone (M Arrowsmith) makes the valid point that we are selfishly starving and polluting the planet so our children and grandchildren will have no fossil fuels and live in a far less healthy world due to global warming.
The rest of us can't face talking about important things so we retreat into bickering about politics. Sorry M Arrowsmith!
Not really worth discussing. However it is fuelled, personal transport is here to stay in some form or another. Do you really think that people will swap cars however powered for public transport? This isn't North Korea!

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