Disgust over dearth of dog fouling fines

The Argus: Disgust over dearth of dog fouling fines Disgust over dearth of dog fouling fines

Just one prosecution has been made for dog fouling in the past two years despite hundreds of complaints.

Brighton and Hove City Council received 827 complaints from fed-up residents in 2012 and 2013 about pet owners who did not pick up their dogs’ mess.

But just one person was fined during that period – despite the authority having the power to issue £80 fixed penalty notices.

The council said its animal welfare team currently handles dog fouling complaints but prosecutions could only be brought if they were in the “right place at the right time”.

The figures have been dubbed “disgusting” by Hangleton and Knoll councillor Dawn Barnett, who suggested culprits are named and shamed in town halls.

She said: “A colleague suggested we should be testing the mess for DNA because in all honesty it is a dirty, disgusting mess. If the council employs a warden to fine people, and their wages are paid by the fines, I think it would help.

“Naming and shaming people with pictures in Hove Town Hall and in The Argus would also put people off.”

Councillor Graham Cox, who represents Westbourne ward, said: “In principal I would support the idea of a warden.

"I think it has got worse over the years, especially in winter when people think they won’t be seen under the cover of darkness.”

Mike Weatherley, MP for Hove, suggested last year that using private firms to enforce on-the-spot fines for dog fouling would be a deterrent and would raise much-needed revenue for councils.

Elsewhere Mid Sussex District Council fined only four people from 112 complaints, Eastbourne Borough Council fined one person from 472 complaints and Chichester District Council failed to hand out any fines at all from 349 complaints.

Worthing Borough Council received 157 complaints and issued only six fines for the two years. But the authority has recently started spray-painting the town’s pavements in dog-mess hotspots with yellowstencils instructing people to “pick it up”.

Hastings Borough Council handed out the most fixed penalty notices when it fined 51 people out of 57 complaints.

A Brighton and Hove City Council spokesman said: “Successful prosecutions can only be brought if the offence has been witnessed by the enforcement officer – this relies on enforcement officers being in the right place at the right time to witness the offence – or if a witness to the offence is prepared to write a statement and appear in court.”

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11:02am Sat 22 Feb 14

From beer to uncertainty says...

I thought PCSOs were actively ignoring dogs off leads crapping all over the beach and Pavillion Gardens. Surely these dogs and the street-drinking pets they own are exercising their right to this form of protest. Dogs have evaluated the evidence regarding fracking and are firmly (sometimes not so firmly) demonstrating their squatting prowess.

Besides, even the oiks feeding their banned-breed dogs with bits of their petrified neighbours aren't being punished...
I thought PCSOs were actively ignoring dogs off leads crapping all over the beach and Pavillion Gardens. Surely these dogs and the street-drinking pets they own are exercising their right to this form of protest. Dogs have evaluated the evidence regarding fracking and are firmly (sometimes not so firmly) demonstrating their squatting prowess. Besides, even the oiks feeding their banned-breed dogs with bits of their petrified neighbours aren't being punished... From beer to uncertainty

11:02am Sat 22 Feb 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

The council officers in that department will say things such as: even if you have photographed the offender we can't prosecute as they may have returned to the poo and collected it.
The culture at the council is one of defeat in every department yet other councils execute their duties.
Maybe it's time to outsource some of the councils services.
The council officers in that department will say things such as: even if you have photographed the offender we can't prosecute as they may have returned to the poo and collected it. The culture at the council is one of defeat in every department yet other councils execute their duties. Maybe it's time to outsource some of the councils services. Maxwell's Ghost

11:08am Sat 22 Feb 14

keswick says...

Maxwell's Ghost wrote:
The council officers in that department will say things such as: even if you have photographed the offender we can't prosecute as they may have returned to the poo and collected it.
The culture at the council is one of defeat in every department yet other councils execute their duties.
Maybe it's time to outsource some of the councils services.
Excellent idea to outsource and I for one would start at Adult Social Services and get rid of any Social Worker who is not fit for purpose.
[quote][p][bold]Maxwell's Ghost[/bold] wrote: The council officers in that department will say things such as: even if you have photographed the offender we can't prosecute as they may have returned to the poo and collected it. The culture at the council is one of defeat in every department yet other councils execute their duties. Maybe it's time to outsource some of the councils services.[/p][/quote]Excellent idea to outsource and I for one would start at Adult Social Services and get rid of any Social Worker who is not fit for purpose. keswick

11:14am Sat 22 Feb 14

qm says...

The amount of dog poop compared to the amount of Green poop littering our environment is insignificant and will take considerably more than a few rain showers and a broom to eradicate!
The amount of dog poop compared to the amount of Green poop littering our environment is insignificant and will take considerably more than a few rain showers and a broom to eradicate! qm

11:25am Sat 22 Feb 14

Gary @ says...

My son tried to play football at Homefield Park in Worthing with some friends yesterday, but they had to abandon it due to the amount of dog mess on the pitch.

The pick it up stencils seemed to work for a couple of weeks but now are largely ignored.

The only way to stop it is to catch the owners and fine them.
My son tried to play football at Homefield Park in Worthing with some friends yesterday, but they had to abandon it due to the amount of dog mess on the pitch. The pick it up stencils seemed to work for a couple of weeks but now are largely ignored. The only way to stop it is to catch the owners and fine them. Gary @

12:17pm Sat 22 Feb 14

aat99 says...

First time you're caught 50 hours community service picking up dog poo, next time 100, next time 200 etc.

I'm a dog owner and sick of the mess as well !
First time you're caught 50 hours community service picking up dog poo, next time 100, next time 200 etc. I'm a dog owner and sick of the mess as well ! aat99

12:34pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Poem58 says...

I travel the UK extensively and the unfortunate truth is that Brighton and Hove is the dog excrement capital of Britain - by a considerable margin.

Reasons for this are a high concentration of dog inhabiting flats in the town center coupled with a 'don't give a ****' attitude of some selfish owners and a reluctance of the authorities (plus local media) to take this filthy problem seriously.

Until there is a change in attitude towards fouling we will all have to continue to walk with heads bowed concentrating on where we are putting our feet.
I travel the UK extensively and the unfortunate truth is that Brighton and Hove is the dog excrement capital of Britain - by a considerable margin. Reasons for this are a high concentration of dog inhabiting flats in the town center coupled with a 'don't give a ****' attitude of some selfish owners and a reluctance of the authorities (plus local media) to take this filthy problem seriously. Until there is a change in attitude towards fouling we will all have to continue to walk with heads bowed concentrating on where we are putting our feet. Poem58

12:41pm Sat 22 Feb 14

tweety72 says...

i complained about doo poo in hangleton road a few years back.we ran the gaunlet of **** with the kids every day.
was told that they couldnt see any evidence even though a resident had drawn huge chalk circles around the piles.
also i made a point about the lack of dog poo bins,which they repiled there was one nr the grenadier.erm yes there is but its in the grounds of some flats not in the road area.
didnt even think we had dog wardens anymore as ive never seen one about town??
i complained about doo poo in hangleton road a few years back.we ran the gaunlet of **** with the kids every day. was told that they couldnt see any evidence even though a resident had drawn huge chalk circles around the piles. also i made a point about the lack of dog poo bins,which they repiled there was one nr the grenadier.erm yes there is but its in the grounds of some flats not in the road area. didnt even think we had dog wardens anymore as ive never seen one about town?? tweety72

1:12pm Sat 22 Feb 14

emma_barnes says...

People power is needed here - cant leave it all to authorities who will never be in the right place at the right time. This seemed to embarrass owners in being more responsible. Worked in other areas too. http://www.mansfield
.gov.uk/index.aspx?a
rticleid=5117
People power is needed here - cant leave it all to authorities who will never be in the right place at the right time. This seemed to embarrass owners in being more responsible. Worked in other areas too. http://www.mansfield .gov.uk/index.aspx?a rticleid=5117 emma_barnes

3:14pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Vigilia says...

I'm infinitely more alarmed by the amount of human excrement deposited in most of our parks and open recreational spaces by the assorted travellers throughout each year and for which the authorities seem totally unconcerned
I'm infinitely more alarmed by the amount of human excrement deposited in most of our parks and open recreational spaces by the assorted travellers throughout each year and for which the authorities seem totally unconcerned Vigilia

4:48pm Sat 22 Feb 14

angrymonkey says...

if see it happen take pic of them and put it up in parks to show the low life that leave dog mess about . its sad now so many low life people think it ok to leave it stopping kids playing and could blind them if get on them and then rub eyes.
should be people out to fine them and name and shame them.
if see it happen take pic of them and put it up in parks to show the low life that leave dog mess about . its sad now so many low life people think it ok to leave it stopping kids playing and could blind them if get on them and then rub eyes. should be people out to fine them and name and shame them. angrymonkey

5:52pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Gary @ wrote:
My son tried to play football at Homefield Park in Worthing with some friends yesterday, but they had to abandon it due to the amount of dog mess on the pitch.

The pick it up stencils seemed to work for a couple of weeks but now are largely ignored.

The only way to stop it is to catch the owners and fine them.
Catching the owners would be extremely difficult as they would probably not let their dogs foul if a warden was present, plus the fact that members of the public aren't required to give personal details to a warden, who can only call the police to complain of 'non-compliance'. Like drivers who park inconsiderately, or cyclists who ride on the pavement there will always be a core of ignorant lazy dog walkers.
[quote][p][bold]Gary @[/bold] wrote: My son tried to play football at Homefield Park in Worthing with some friends yesterday, but they had to abandon it due to the amount of dog mess on the pitch. The pick it up stencils seemed to work for a couple of weeks but now are largely ignored. The only way to stop it is to catch the owners and fine them.[/p][/quote]Catching the owners would be extremely difficult as they would probably not let their dogs foul if a warden was present, plus the fact that members of the public aren't required to give personal details to a warden, who can only call the police to complain of 'non-compliance'. Like drivers who park inconsiderately, or cyclists who ride on the pavement there will always be a core of ignorant lazy dog walkers. Bill in Hanover

5:54pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Bill in Hanover says...

Vigilia wrote:
I'm infinitely more alarmed by the amount of human excrement deposited in most of our parks and open recreational spaces by the assorted travellers throughout each year and for which the authorities seem totally unconcerned
Apparently it is a human right of travellers to treat taxpayers and residents like dogcr*p
[quote][p][bold]Vigilia[/bold] wrote: I'm infinitely more alarmed by the amount of human excrement deposited in most of our parks and open recreational spaces by the assorted travellers throughout each year and for which the authorities seem totally unconcerned[/p][/quote]Apparently it is a human right of travellers to treat taxpayers and residents like dogcr*p Bill in Hanover

10:14am Sun 23 Feb 14

Dealing with idiots says...

I always give them the option of picking it up or having it wiped on them. It generally does the trick.
I always give them the option of picking it up or having it wiped on them. It generally does the trick. Dealing with idiots

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