Revealed: Secret plans to squeeze hundreds of homes on green land between two Brighton villages

A wild meadow in the area where developers want to build up to 315 homes

A map showing the outline of one of the possible schemes

Mo Carter

Ken Abell

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After Brighton and Hove's housing plans were thrown out by the Government and the council was ordered to allow building on green spaces - chief reporter Emily Walker looks at the secret proposal to bring a huge housing estate to the edge of the South Downs National Park.

Developers could be planning on building up to 315 homes bordering the South Downs National Park, squeezed between Ovingdean and Woodingdean.

Residents have been invited to see the plans for the proposed development which would fill the green gap between the two villages next month (March 11).

Developers Lightwood Property have drawn up five different proposals which could see between 140 and 315 houses build on the site.

A spokesman for the company refused to reveal exactly what they are planning and said the precise proposal would only be revealed at a series of public meetings next month.

However, detailed documents on the company's website list extensive plans for their various options - including suggestions of building on the playing fields of Longhill High School and constructing up to 300 homes.

The site of the potential new housing estate lies between The Vale at the northern edge of Ovingdean and Cowley Drive at the southern side of Woodingdean - effectively joining the two areas.

James Sorrentino director of Lightwood Strategic said: “Lightwood Strategic is looking to deliver a high quality, housing development at Meadow Vale, Ovingdean Road.

“Before we submit a planning application, we are keen to consult with the local community on our plans and will be holding public exhibitions on March 11 and 12 at Longhill High School.

“We are really keen to speak to local residents and hear their views on our plans. Following the exhibition we will review our proposals before submitting an application to Brighton and Hove City Council.”

Residents on both sides have expressed concern at the proposal to build homes on green land - on the cusp of the South Downs National Park.

The area in question was inside the South Downs National Park until the boundary was changed in 2009.

Local residents said they had understood that the land could not be built on for 15 years as a condition of the boundary change.

Some people living in The Vale and Ovingdean Road have been sent letters from the developers telling them about the meetings - however many neighbours said they had not been told anything about it.

Sue Ancell, chairwoman of the residents association, who lives in The Vale said: “All we know is that they are proposing something.

“They are saying they are going to make it very green - but this area is already very green.

“There are just 21 houses along here, but the whole of Ovingdean would be affected.

“There isn't the infrastructure for this many homes - where are all the children from all these families going to go to school?

"We just don't want it.”

Another Ovingdean resident Jonathon La Roux said: “I live on the back of this field and they are planning a major development.

“I am against it and the natural environment. It is terrible for this area.”

Ward councillor Mary Mears said she had only just been told that there was a development planned for the area and had no idea of the extent of the proposal yet.

She said: “I would be very sceptical of a large scale development. It doesn't seem the developers have been in discussion with the council planning officers so far.

“I have been invited to a private viewing of the plans on March 11 but that is the first I heard. This has come out of the blue.

“Once I have seen the full plans I will make my position very clear, but initially I am concerned “Brighton and Hove has 18,000 people on the housing waiting list but even if you cleared that whole waiting list there would be more people wanting to live here.

“People want to move here, so we will never ever have enough housing.”

The developers have not yet submitted a formal planning application to Brighton and Hove City Council - but the proposals have been drawn up based on the City Plan to increase the number of houses.

Brighton and Hove was criticised by Government inspectors and order to find room for more housing in December.

Brighton and Hove City Council spent two years drawing up the City Plan which aimed to create 11,300 homes - thousands below the expected demand of 20,000 houses.

But Government inspector Laura Graham sent the council's plan back in December, demanding more space was found - creating a potential threat to fields at Ovingdean as well as Mile Oak, Coldean and Hollingbury.

Lightwood Property conclude in their proposals on their website: “The local authority are unable to demonstrate a five year land supply and are unprepared to defend against inappropriate sites coming forward under the National Planning Policy Framework guidelines.

“Meadow Vale offers significant opportunity in the form of multiple options to deliver a mix of family housing without impacting on the South Downs National Park.”

Simon Kirby, MP for Ovingdean and Woodingdean, urged his constituents to attend the public meetings on March 11 and 12.

Mr Kirby said: “Immediately I have a number of serious concerns about these plans and I will therefore be studying the information very carefully.

“I hope residents will use this opportunity to make their views known and, when the time comes, to make further representations to Brighton and Hove City Council.

“Ovingdean and Woodingdean are long-standing villages with their own unique characters and history.

“Residents will be naturally concerned if these proposals may change that and, alongside local councillors, I will be sure to work closely with residents on this matter.”

A Brighton and Hove City Council spokesman said he could not comment on proposals before they were filed to the authority.

What do Ovingdean and Woodingdean residents think?

Helen Trundle, of The Vale, Ovingdean said: “We moved to this house to have the countryside aspect.

“It certainly came out of the blue. We hadn't heard anything before. It was a surprise.

“There have been a lot of emails and everybody is opposed to it.”

Joan Telfer of The Vale said: “It is way too big. It is a real aberration. It will become like a new town.

“The worry is the traffic as everything has to go through Rottingdean which is very small. There is enough with the school.

“It will be too much for the area.”

Mo Carter, 54, qualified nurse, of The Vale: “I am devastated as we have this beautiful view and we would lose it all.

“I have spoken to our neighbours and we are all really opposed. And where are they going to put the horses?

“Our house is up for sale and this is going to devalue the property but the biggest worry is the traffic.

“All the cars coming through here the increase would be tremendous.”

Ken Abell, 48, retired driving instructor, Cowley Drive resident: “I would be opposed to it. I haven't heard anything about it. I'd have thought a lot of people would be against it.

“I used to live in Newhaven and it was too busy so I moved here for the peace and quiet. That would go if this happened.

"Where is the access road going to be?”

Lyn Satinet, housewife, of Cowley Drive, said: “I would fight tooth and nail against it. We also have problems with subsidence from the hill so this would only make it worse.

“I think it's disgusting they want to build on the land.”

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4:59am Thu 27 Feb 14

Dealing with idiots says...

Just one more reason to leave B&H.
Just one more reason to leave B&H. Dealing with idiots
  • Score: 14

5:08am Thu 27 Feb 14

twonk says...

It sounds as good a place as any.
It sounds as good a place as any. twonk
  • Score: -9

7:31am Thu 27 Feb 14

medianscore says...

A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London.

Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space.

Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.
A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London. Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space. Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity. medianscore
  • Score: 52

7:34am Thu 27 Feb 14

mimseycal says...

So now we know why BHCC is planning to put in a bid for that EU funding ...
So now we know why BHCC is planning to put in a bid for that EU funding ... mimseycal
  • Score: 33

7:49am Thu 27 Feb 14

Plantpot says...

I used to have sympathy for people in this position. I have virtually none since the stadium planning debacle.
I used to have sympathy for people in this position. I have virtually none since the stadium planning debacle. Plantpot
  • Score: -8

7:59am Thu 27 Feb 14

Withdean-er says...

One major problem with this one. The traffic routes from that locality are already engulfed in vast traffic jams in extended rush 'hours' twice a day. The Falmer Road from the Woodingdean lights, A259 to/from Rottindean, Rottingdean high street heading South and so on. In addition to avoid the A259 hell every evening, 1,000s of cars making their way east to Saltdean, Peacehaven and Newhaven make a preposterous and un- green detour through Ovingdean and back South to Rottingdean to avoid the bus land mayhem. Cowley/Bexhill Roads are also a popular rat run despite chicanes and bumps. X hundred numbers of cars leaving this new estate would add to those problems.
One major problem with this one. The traffic routes from that locality are already engulfed in vast traffic jams in extended rush 'hours' twice a day. The Falmer Road from the Woodingdean lights, A259 to/from Rottindean, Rottingdean high street heading South and so on. In addition to avoid the A259 hell every evening, 1,000s of cars making their way east to Saltdean, Peacehaven and Newhaven make a preposterous and un- green detour through Ovingdean and back South to Rottingdean to avoid the bus land mayhem. Cowley/Bexhill Roads are also a popular rat run despite chicanes and bumps. X hundred numbers of cars leaving this new estate would add to those problems. Withdean-er
  • Score: 93

8:00am Thu 27 Feb 14

den2il says...

Dealing with idiots wrote:
Just one more reason to leave B&H.
I'm alright jack!
[quote][p][bold]Dealing with idiots[/bold] wrote: Just one more reason to leave B&H.[/p][/quote]I'm alright jack! den2il
  • Score: -16

8:15am Thu 27 Feb 14

ronrostog says...

You get a bit of decent green land to have around to avoid the concrete jungle and look what happens. Pity the people from Ovingdean and Cowley Drive area. Now let's see: More housing=more people= more pressure on local services. More jobs will be needed which will eventually cause more wages to be driven down. A soon to be country in general of part-timers supplemented by handouts from the Government. It's simple: Too many people coming into a country with not enough decent paid jobs to have a decent standard of living.
You get a bit of decent green land to have around to avoid the concrete jungle and look what happens. Pity the people from Ovingdean and Cowley Drive area. Now let's see: More housing=more people= more pressure on local services. More jobs will be needed which will eventually cause more wages to be driven down. A soon to be country in general of part-timers supplemented by handouts from the Government. It's simple: Too many people coming into a country with not enough decent paid jobs to have a decent standard of living. ronrostog
  • Score: 49

8:20am Thu 27 Feb 14

Juleyanne says...

God help our national parks and green spaces. Enjoy now whilst you still can!
God help our national parks and green spaces. Enjoy now whilst you still can! Juleyanne
  • Score: 46

8:31am Thu 27 Feb 14

argchat says...

You get what you voted for at the end of day. If we didn't have immigration on the scale that it has been over the last 10 - 15 years, we wouldn't have such a shifting of people, therefore we wouldn't need to build so many new houses. It's common sense. What's done is done we cannot turn back the clock.
You get what you voted for at the end of day. If we didn't have immigration on the scale that it has been over the last 10 - 15 years, we wouldn't have such a shifting of people, therefore we wouldn't need to build so many new houses. It's common sense. What's done is done we cannot turn back the clock. argchat
  • Score: 30

8:41am Thu 27 Feb 14

Quiterie says...

How are these plans "secret" when you've provided a link to the developers website outlining the plans?!? Plus residents are being encouraged to attend public meetings to discuss the plans. Where's the secrecy?

You always get some clever dick saying there isn't the infrastructure for this many homes... in this case Sue Ancell, chairwoman of the residents association. In answer to your question "where are all the children from all these families going to go to school?", the nearest primary school (Rudyard Kipling) and the nearest secondary school (Longhill) are both massively undersubscribed. Given that you live right next to Longhill I'm a little surprised you don't know that.
How are these plans "secret" when you've provided a link to the developers website outlining the plans?!? Plus residents are being encouraged to attend public meetings to discuss the plans. Where's the secrecy? You always get some clever dick saying there isn't the infrastructure for this many homes... in this case Sue Ancell, chairwoman of the residents association. In answer to your question "where are all the children from all these families going to go to school?", the nearest primary school (Rudyard Kipling) and the nearest secondary school (Longhill) are both massively undersubscribed. Given that you live right next to Longhill I'm a little surprised you don't know that. Quiterie
  • Score: 11

8:52am Thu 27 Feb 14

nkwbtn says...

This is such a beautiful area. It must be stopped!
This is such a beautiful area. It must be stopped! nkwbtn
  • Score: 29

8:56am Thu 27 Feb 14

Terry K says...

Where will the large mosque and travellers site fit in?
Where will the large mosque and travellers site fit in? Terry K
  • Score: 38

9:03am Thu 27 Feb 14

Alison Smith says...

Woodingdean isn't a village
Woodingdean isn't a village Alison Smith
  • Score: 15

9:04am Thu 27 Feb 14

HJarrs says...

A bit rich for the seldom seen or heard local MP Simon Kirby to complain. This is, after all, free market forces at work and the developers know that Simon Kirby's government is placing pressure on B&H council to accept more than 10000 more homes than planned.

Some building on green field sites is inevitable, but the free for all demended by a government that is the pockets of wealthy developers, is not. Vote Kirby and the rest of the Tories out if you don't like it.
A bit rich for the seldom seen or heard local MP Simon Kirby to complain. This is, after all, free market forces at work and the developers know that Simon Kirby's government is placing pressure on B&H council to accept more than 10000 more homes than planned. Some building on green field sites is inevitable, but the free for all demended by a government that is the pockets of wealthy developers, is not. Vote Kirby and the rest of the Tories out if you don't like it. HJarrs
  • Score: -4

9:07am Thu 27 Feb 14

WooahWooah says...

retired taxi driver aged 48? I've been tipping too generously.
retired taxi driver aged 48? I've been tipping too generously. WooahWooah
  • Score: 27

9:08am Thu 27 Feb 14

WooahWooah says...

Sorry, should be retired driving instructor. But still....
Sorry, should be retired driving instructor. But still.... WooahWooah
  • Score: 1

9:14am Thu 27 Feb 14

her professional says...

Nasty, petty racism on the site again. Crowley Drive was beautiful down land once, shall we demolish that and all the other 30s estates around Brighton and other towns and cities? I hope all the people complaining on here live in houses that are centuries old, otherwise it's pretty hypocritical to moan about new building.
Nasty, petty racism on the site again. Crowley Drive was beautiful down land once, shall we demolish that and all the other 30s estates around Brighton and other towns and cities? I hope all the people complaining on here live in houses that are centuries old, otherwise it's pretty hypocritical to moan about new building. her professional
  • Score: 8

9:36am Thu 27 Feb 14

RottingdeanRant says...

Although I live in the area I have no fundamental objection to this area being developed. However, I do wonder how the extra traffic will me managed in the surrounding busy roads. Also I wonder how they will deal with the already full sewage and drainage system.
Although I live in the area I have no fundamental objection to this area being developed. However, I do wonder how the extra traffic will me managed in the surrounding busy roads. Also I wonder how they will deal with the already full sewage and drainage system. RottingdeanRant
  • Score: 25

9:49am Thu 27 Feb 14

pwlr1966 says...

Do you want homes for your children to live in or not?
Do you want homes for your children to live in or not? pwlr1966
  • Score: -7

10:18am Thu 27 Feb 14

The Real Phil says...

I all the neo-nazis bleating on about immigration stopped to consider how overcrowded we could be if all Brits were forcibly returned to the UK perhaps they would change their minds about cross border movement.
As for the housing shortage, it's not the fault of the immigrants, or the single mums who supposedly got pregnant just to get a house but the fault of the Thatcher government who sold off the housing stock in the eighties. And much of the sold off housing stock now rests in the hands of private landlords renting out mainly to students.
And in the past, students quite happily rented rooms from families which worked much better than throwing them all together in a house (often ex-council) creating, in some cases, hotbeds of anti social behavior, which anyone who has lived near an all weekend party will understand.
So, it's not one thing crating the housing problem, it;s several issues, or if it needs to be identified as a single cause, then it's the tories.
I all the neo-nazis bleating on about immigration stopped to consider how overcrowded we could be if all Brits were forcibly returned to the UK perhaps they would change their minds about cross border movement. As for the housing shortage, it's not the fault of the immigrants, or the single mums who supposedly got pregnant just to get a house but the fault of the Thatcher government who sold off the housing stock in the eighties. And much of the sold off housing stock now rests in the hands of private landlords renting out mainly to students. And in the past, students quite happily rented rooms from families which worked much better than throwing them all together in a house (often ex-council) creating, in some cases, hotbeds of anti social behavior, which anyone who has lived near an all weekend party will understand. So, it's not one thing crating the housing problem, it;s several issues, or if it needs to be identified as a single cause, then it's the tories. The Real Phil
  • Score: 4

10:20am Thu 27 Feb 14

The Real Phil says...

pwlr1966 wrote:
Do you want homes for your children to live in or not?
Absolutely, but it will be a long time before my children can afford 400k+ for a house.
[quote][p][bold]pwlr1966[/bold] wrote: Do you want homes for your children to live in or not?[/p][/quote]Absolutely, but it will be a long time before my children can afford 400k+ for a house. The Real Phil
  • Score: 36

10:37am Thu 27 Feb 14

s_james says...

The Real Phil wrote:
I all the neo-nazis bleating on about immigration stopped to consider how overcrowded we could be if all Brits were forcibly returned to the UK perhaps they would change their minds about cross border movement.
As for the housing shortage, it's not the fault of the immigrants, or the single mums who supposedly got pregnant just to get a house but the fault of the Thatcher government who sold off the housing stock in the eighties. And much of the sold off housing stock now rests in the hands of private landlords renting out mainly to students.
And in the past, students quite happily rented rooms from families which worked much better than throwing them all together in a house (often ex-council) creating, in some cases, hotbeds of anti social behavior, which anyone who has lived near an all weekend party will understand.
So, it's not one thing crating the housing problem, it;s several issues, or if it needs to be identified as a single cause, then it's the tories.
Very true. Plus factors such as more single-person households, and elderly people living longer and staying in their own homes for longer. Even with zero immigration we would still need a lot of new homes.
[quote][p][bold]The Real Phil[/bold] wrote: I all the neo-nazis bleating on about immigration stopped to consider how overcrowded we could be if all Brits were forcibly returned to the UK perhaps they would change their minds about cross border movement. As for the housing shortage, it's not the fault of the immigrants, or the single mums who supposedly got pregnant just to get a house but the fault of the Thatcher government who sold off the housing stock in the eighties. And much of the sold off housing stock now rests in the hands of private landlords renting out mainly to students. And in the past, students quite happily rented rooms from families which worked much better than throwing them all together in a house (often ex-council) creating, in some cases, hotbeds of anti social behavior, which anyone who has lived near an all weekend party will understand. So, it's not one thing crating the housing problem, it;s several issues, or if it needs to be identified as a single cause, then it's the tories.[/p][/quote]Very true. Plus factors such as more single-person households, and elderly people living longer and staying in their own homes for longer. Even with zero immigration we would still need a lot of new homes. s_james
  • Score: 5

11:05am Thu 27 Feb 14

Saltdean Resident says...

Quiterie wrote:
How are these plans "secret" when you've provided a link to the developers website outlining the plans?!? Plus residents are being encouraged to attend public meetings to discuss the plans. Where's the secrecy?

You always get some clever dick saying there isn't the infrastructure for this many homes... in this case Sue Ancell, chairwoman of the residents association. In answer to your question "where are all the children from all these families going to go to school?", the nearest primary school (Rudyard Kipling) and the nearest secondary school (Longhill) are both massively undersubscribed. Given that you live right next to Longhill I'm a little surprised you don't know that.
If you look at the plans they do say these houses will not be high density but will be family homes. If this is the case then you could expect about 400 extra children, more likely more than that. The two Rottingdean primaries are over subscribed, massively and there is no room for expansion. As pointed out earlier traffic is a massive problem through Rottingdean, this will only be made worse. I think you will find there will be massive oposition for this throughout Rottingdean, Ovingdean and Woodingdean.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: How are these plans "secret" when you've provided a link to the developers website outlining the plans?!? Plus residents are being encouraged to attend public meetings to discuss the plans. Where's the secrecy? You always get some clever dick saying there isn't the infrastructure for this many homes... in this case Sue Ancell, chairwoman of the residents association. In answer to your question "where are all the children from all these families going to go to school?", the nearest primary school (Rudyard Kipling) and the nearest secondary school (Longhill) are both massively undersubscribed. Given that you live right next to Longhill I'm a little surprised you don't know that.[/p][/quote]If you look at the plans they do say these houses will not be high density but will be family homes. If this is the case then you could expect about 400 extra children, more likely more than that. The two Rottingdean primaries are over subscribed, massively and there is no room for expansion. As pointed out earlier traffic is a massive problem through Rottingdean, this will only be made worse. I think you will find there will be massive oposition for this throughout Rottingdean, Ovingdean and Woodingdean. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 20

11:08am Thu 27 Feb 14

s&k says...

medianscore wrote:
A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London. Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space. Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.
House prices is B&H have been artifically inflated by the middle classes fleeing London to bring up families near the sea, hence almost impossible for local people to buy here. And London is draining the North of economic growth.
[quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London. Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space. Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.[/p][/quote]House prices is B&H have been artifically inflated by the middle classes fleeing London to bring up families near the sea, hence almost impossible for local people to buy here. And London is draining the North of economic growth. s&k
  • Score: 16

11:21am Thu 27 Feb 14

nosolution says...

All successive governments have been in the pockets of greedy developers who are, after all, merely out to make money at the expense of locals who will lose their green spaces. The standard of living is deteriorating fast due to overcrowding and pressure on services. We are now the most heavily developed country in Europe, with Sussex fast becoming a concrete hell fit for neither human nor beast.In any case the proposed site is chalk downland, as rare as chickens teeth on a global scale of things and of International importance just the way it is..
All successive governments have been in the pockets of greedy developers who are, after all, merely out to make money at the expense of locals who will lose their green spaces. The standard of living is deteriorating fast due to overcrowding and pressure on services. We are now the most heavily developed country in Europe, with Sussex fast becoming a concrete hell fit for neither human nor beast.In any case the proposed site is chalk downland, as rare as chickens teeth on a global scale of things and of International importance just the way it is.. nosolution
  • Score: 14

11:55am Thu 27 Feb 14

willshouse says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
How are these plans "secret" when you've provided a link to the developers website outlining the plans?!? Plus residents are being encouraged to attend public meetings to discuss the plans. Where's the secrecy?

You always get some clever dick saying there isn't the infrastructure for this many homes... in this case Sue Ancell, chairwoman of the residents association. In answer to your question "where are all the children from all these families going to go to school?", the nearest primary school (Rudyard Kipling) and the nearest secondary school (Longhill) are both massively undersubscribed. Given that you live right next to Longhill I'm a little surprised you don't know that.
If you look at the plans they do say these houses will not be high density but will be family homes. If this is the case then you could expect about 400 extra children, more likely more than that. The two Rottingdean primaries are over subscribed, massively and there is no room for expansion. As pointed out earlier traffic is a massive problem through Rottingdean, this will only be made worse. I think you will find there will be massive oposition for this throughout Rottingdean, Ovingdean and Woodingdean.
there are no schools in ovingdean
there are two schools in rottingdean both of which are church schools.
longhill has been recently extended to take the children from whitehawk
also on the brighton and hove website it qoutes that ovingdean should retain the surrounding green countryside areas as it acts as a buffer and any further traffic running through ovingdean should be discouraged.Any new development should be in brighton and hove as that is where the homes are needed. A lot of the recent new build development in this area are still empty [ meadow view semi bungalows , cottages on the falmer road,houses on longhill road ovingdean by the post office.
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: How are these plans "secret" when you've provided a link to the developers website outlining the plans?!? Plus residents are being encouraged to attend public meetings to discuss the plans. Where's the secrecy? You always get some clever dick saying there isn't the infrastructure for this many homes... in this case Sue Ancell, chairwoman of the residents association. In answer to your question "where are all the children from all these families going to go to school?", the nearest primary school (Rudyard Kipling) and the nearest secondary school (Longhill) are both massively undersubscribed. Given that you live right next to Longhill I'm a little surprised you don't know that.[/p][/quote]If you look at the plans they do say these houses will not be high density but will be family homes. If this is the case then you could expect about 400 extra children, more likely more than that. The two Rottingdean primaries are over subscribed, massively and there is no room for expansion. As pointed out earlier traffic is a massive problem through Rottingdean, this will only be made worse. I think you will find there will be massive oposition for this throughout Rottingdean, Ovingdean and Woodingdean.[/p][/quote]there are no schools in ovingdean [only nursery and private foreign language] there are two schools in rottingdean both of which are church schools. longhill has been recently extended to take the children from whitehawk [,have you seen the number of 77 double decker buses that block the falmer road] also on the brighton and hove website it qoutes that ovingdean should retain the surrounding green countryside areas as it acts as a buffer and any further traffic running through ovingdean should be discouraged.Any new development should be in brighton and hove as that is where the homes are needed. A lot of the recent new build development in this area are still empty [ meadow view semi bungalows , cottages on the falmer road,houses on longhill road ovingdean by the post office. willshouse
  • Score: 16

12:01pm Thu 27 Feb 14

willshouse says...

her professional wrote:
Nasty, petty racism on the site again. Crowley Drive was beautiful down land once, shall we demolish that and all the other 30s estates around Brighton and other towns and cities? I hope all the people complaining on here live in houses that are centuries old, otherwise it's pretty hypocritical to moan about new building.
that is why important policies to protect the countryside that is left have been made. ovingdean is an conservation village and a lot of the buildings are listed
or have been built on former sites that had fallen derelict
[quote][p][bold]her professional[/bold] wrote: Nasty, petty racism on the site again. Crowley Drive was beautiful down land once, shall we demolish that and all the other 30s estates around Brighton and other towns and cities? I hope all the people complaining on here live in houses that are centuries old, otherwise it's pretty hypocritical to moan about new building.[/p][/quote]that is why important policies to protect the countryside that is left have been made. ovingdean is an conservation village and a lot of the buildings are listed or have been built on former sites that had fallen derelict willshouse
  • Score: 15

12:07pm Thu 27 Feb 14

sl61@sussex.ac.uk says...

In north Rottingdean there have been two new developments - 6 houses on the Falmer road "Winton Cottages" and two semi detached chalet bungalows in MeadowClose. In the centre of the village there are the new townhouses where Deans motors used to be. 6 properties there. These are all new build. Winton Cottages have now been for sale for well over a year. Only one of them has sold and is now occupied. You're telling me there is a shortage of available housing - yet this lot have been empty for months if not years. What about all the two bedroom flats around the station? If you search for properties for sale for under £400,000 in Brighton TODAY there are 500+ available. This proposal is pure greed.
In north Rottingdean there have been two new developments - 6 houses on the Falmer road "Winton Cottages" and two semi detached chalet bungalows in MeadowClose. In the centre of the village there are the new townhouses where Deans motors used to be. 6 properties there. These are all new build. Winton Cottages have now been for sale for well over a year. Only one of them has sold and is now occupied. You're telling me there is a shortage of available housing - yet this lot have been empty for months if not years. What about all the two bedroom flats around the station? If you search for properties for sale for under £400,000 in Brighton TODAY there are 500+ available. This proposal is pure greed. sl61@sussex.ac.uk
  • Score: 30

12:11pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Mr chock says...

YES PLEASE ..let me see what the housing build will look like , the city really really need much more affordable housing this is just 150 to 315 homes , if the green party "environmentists " can make the housing stock the most energy efficient with no real impact on the water table triple glazing and what ever other great innovative building knowledge has been made in the past 100+ years to make homes cosy and cheap to run WE the youth of brighton need really need new housing stock AND Lyn Satinet, housewife, of Cowley Drive, said: “I would fight tooth and nail against it. We also have problems with subsidence from the hill so this would only make it worse.

“I think it's disgusting they want to build on the land.”
YES PLEASE ..let me see what the housing build will look like , the city really really need much more affordable housing this is just 150 to 315 homes , if the green party "environmentists " can make the housing stock the most energy efficient with no real impact on the water table triple glazing and what ever other great innovative building knowledge has been made in the past 100+ years to make homes cosy and cheap to run WE the youth of brighton need really need new housing stock AND Lyn Satinet, housewife, of Cowley Drive, said: “I would fight tooth and nail against it. We also have problems with subsidence from the hill so this would only make it worse. “I think it's disgusting they want to build on the land.” Mr chock
  • Score: -6

12:13pm Thu 27 Feb 14

willshouse says...

RottingdeanRant wrote:
Although I live in the area I have no fundamental objection to this area being developed. However, I do wonder how the extra traffic will me managed in the surrounding busy roads. Also I wonder how they will deal with the already full sewage and drainage system.
if this area is developed it will mean major changes to the existing development and planning policies and then housing could spring up all over, even further down into rottingdean,Ovingdea
n road already floods by the entrance to the vale reducing the traffic to one lane
[quote][p][bold]RottingdeanRant[/bold] wrote: Although I live in the area I have no fundamental objection to this area being developed. However, I do wonder how the extra traffic will me managed in the surrounding busy roads. Also I wonder how they will deal with the already full sewage and drainage system.[/p][/quote]if this area is developed it will mean major changes to the existing development and planning policies and then housing could spring up all over, even further down into rottingdean,Ovingdea n road already floods by the entrance to the vale reducing the traffic to one lane willshouse
  • Score: 12

12:19pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Brian62 says...

sl61@sussex.ac.uk wrote:
In north Rottingdean there have been two new developments - 6 houses on the Falmer road "Winton Cottages" and two semi detached chalet bungalows in MeadowClose. In the centre of the village there are the new townhouses where Deans motors used to be. 6 properties there. These are all new build. Winton Cottages have now been for sale for well over a year. Only one of them has sold and is now occupied. You're telling me there is a shortage of available housing - yet this lot have been empty for months if not years. What about all the two bedroom flats around the station? If you search for properties for sale for under £400,000 in Brighton TODAY there are 500+ available. This proposal is pure greed.
But if you refine search to under £200k then you only have 8 houses and 110 flats with approx 90 flats being 1 bedroom.
Its affordable family housing thats needed.
[quote][p][bold]sl61@sussex.ac.uk[/bold] wrote: In north Rottingdean there have been two new developments - 6 houses on the Falmer road "Winton Cottages" and two semi detached chalet bungalows in MeadowClose. In the centre of the village there are the new townhouses where Deans motors used to be. 6 properties there. These are all new build. Winton Cottages have now been for sale for well over a year. Only one of them has sold and is now occupied. You're telling me there is a shortage of available housing - yet this lot have been empty for months if not years. What about all the two bedroom flats around the station? If you search for properties for sale for under £400,000 in Brighton TODAY there are 500+ available. This proposal is pure greed.[/p][/quote]But if you refine search to under £200k then you only have 8 houses and 110 flats with approx 90 flats being 1 bedroom. Its affordable family housing thats needed. Brian62
  • Score: 9

12:20pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Farawaynow says...

Fact - 60% of food consumed in the UK comes from abroad. Building on prime farmland is an insane idea.What happens when Sterling collapses - huge national debt / personal debt @ 1.5 trillion and growing.

Some idiot mentioned the Brits living abroad - I am one of them. I don't sponge off the French State nor do I demand that they house me. I do not drive down wages of the indigenous French, I bring money into my community.

Brits living in France approx. 600,000, Brits living in Spain 800.000. Foreigners that moved to the UK over the last 15 years approx. 7 million.

Here's a good idea confiscate all the second homes and houses left empty.
Fact - 60% of food consumed in the UK comes from abroad. Building on prime farmland is an insane idea.What happens when Sterling collapses - huge national debt / personal debt @ 1.5 trillion and growing. Some idiot mentioned the Brits living abroad - I am one of them. I don't sponge off the French State nor do I demand that they house me. I do not drive down wages of the indigenous French, I bring money into my community. Brits living in France approx. 600,000, Brits living in Spain 800.000. Foreigners that moved to the UK over the last 15 years approx. 7 million. Here's a good idea confiscate all the second homes and houses left empty. Farawaynow
  • Score: 21

12:22pm Thu 27 Feb 14

efembe123 says...

Withdean-er wrote:
One major problem with this one. The traffic routes from that locality are already engulfed in vast traffic jams in extended rush 'hours' twice a day. The Falmer Road from the Woodingdean lights, A259 to/from Rottindean, Rottingdean high street heading South and so on. In addition to avoid the A259 hell every evening, 1,000s of cars making their way east to Saltdean, Peacehaven and Newhaven make a preposterous and un- green detour through Ovingdean and back South to Rottingdean to avoid the bus land mayhem. Cowley/Bexhill Roads are also a popular rat run despite chicanes and bumps. X hundred numbers of cars leaving this new estate would add to those problems.
Hear hear.......I don't need to repeat this.
Would be more hell than it is already now.
[quote][p][bold]Withdean-er[/bold] wrote: One major problem with this one. The traffic routes from that locality are already engulfed in vast traffic jams in extended rush 'hours' twice a day. The Falmer Road from the Woodingdean lights, A259 to/from Rottindean, Rottingdean high street heading South and so on. In addition to avoid the A259 hell every evening, 1,000s of cars making their way east to Saltdean, Peacehaven and Newhaven make a preposterous and un- green detour through Ovingdean and back South to Rottingdean to avoid the bus land mayhem. Cowley/Bexhill Roads are also a popular rat run despite chicanes and bumps. X hundred numbers of cars leaving this new estate would add to those problems.[/p][/quote]Hear hear.......I don't need to repeat this. Would be more hell than it is already now. efembe123
  • Score: 21

12:41pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Saltdean Resident says...

willshouse wrote:
RottingdeanRant wrote:
Although I live in the area I have no fundamental objection to this area being developed. However, I do wonder how the extra traffic will me managed in the surrounding busy roads. Also I wonder how they will deal with the already full sewage and drainage system.
if this area is developed it will mean major changes to the existing development and planning policies and then housing could spring up all over, even further down into rottingdean,Ovingdea

n road already floods by the entrance to the vale reducing the traffic to one lane
Very true, this should be opposed by people throughout Brighton, not just localy, as sites on green land around the city would be under threat if this is allowed through.
[quote][p][bold]willshouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RottingdeanRant[/bold] wrote: Although I live in the area I have no fundamental objection to this area being developed. However, I do wonder how the extra traffic will me managed in the surrounding busy roads. Also I wonder how they will deal with the already full sewage and drainage system.[/p][/quote]if this area is developed it will mean major changes to the existing development and planning policies and then housing could spring up all over, even further down into rottingdean,Ovingdea n road already floods by the entrance to the vale reducing the traffic to one lane[/p][/quote]Very true, this should be opposed by people throughout Brighton, not just localy, as sites on green land around the city would be under threat if this is allowed through. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 20

12:46pm Thu 27 Feb 14

sl61@sussex.ac.uk says...

Brian62 wrote:
sl61@sussex.ac.uk wrote:
In north Rottingdean there have been two new developments - 6 houses on the Falmer road "Winton Cottages" and two semi detached chalet bungalows in MeadowClose. In the centre of the village there are the new townhouses where Deans motors used to be. 6 properties there. These are all new build. Winton Cottages have now been for sale for well over a year. Only one of them has sold and is now occupied. You're telling me there is a shortage of available housing - yet this lot have been empty for months if not years. What about all the two bedroom flats around the station? If you search for properties for sale for under £400,000 in Brighton TODAY there are 500+ available. This proposal is pure greed.
But if you refine search to under £200k then you only have 8 houses and 110 flats with approx 90 flats being 1 bedroom.
Its affordable family housing thats needed.
My point is that the new houses that have been built are still not occupied. These are 'family' houses but they are too expensive. Do you think they will be planning to build 'affordable' family homes or will it be more of the same, so we destroy the fields and end up with rows of expensive empty buildings. They are not planning to build a new council estate that's for sure.
[quote][p][bold]Brian62[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sl61@sussex.ac.uk[/bold] wrote: In north Rottingdean there have been two new developments - 6 houses on the Falmer road "Winton Cottages" and two semi detached chalet bungalows in MeadowClose. In the centre of the village there are the new townhouses where Deans motors used to be. 6 properties there. These are all new build. Winton Cottages have now been for sale for well over a year. Only one of them has sold and is now occupied. You're telling me there is a shortage of available housing - yet this lot have been empty for months if not years. What about all the two bedroom flats around the station? If you search for properties for sale for under £400,000 in Brighton TODAY there are 500+ available. This proposal is pure greed.[/p][/quote]But if you refine search to under £200k then you only have 8 houses and 110 flats with approx 90 flats being 1 bedroom. Its affordable family housing thats needed.[/p][/quote]My point is that the new houses that have been built are still not occupied. These are 'family' houses but they are too expensive. Do you think they will be planning to build 'affordable' family homes or will it be more of the same, so we destroy the fields and end up with rows of expensive empty buildings. They are not planning to build a new council estate that's for sure. sl61@sussex.ac.uk
  • Score: 16

12:48pm Thu 27 Feb 14

brightonpip says...

'Secret plans' published nearly a year ago and hidden in full public view on the developers' website. 'Revealed' by developers writing to local residents and inviting them to one of TWO public meetings next month. Whatever your views on what is proposed here the Argus has hardly uncovered some devious and underhand plot to concrete over the South Downs.
'Secret plans' published nearly a year ago and hidden in full public view on the developers' website. 'Revealed' by developers writing to local residents and inviting them to one of TWO public meetings next month. Whatever your views on what is proposed here the Argus has hardly uncovered some devious and underhand plot to concrete over the South Downs. brightonpip
  • Score: 8

1:11pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Durango_Splubb says...

This is the 'con-moron' "Big Society" in action.
Local B&H councillors develop plans for new housing. Along comes the Big Society's "Big Brother" over-rides them & instructs on
'where-to-build', 'when-to-build', 'what-to-build', 'who-to-build'.
This is the 'con-moron' "Big Society" in action. Local B&H councillors develop plans for new housing. Along comes the Big Society's "Big Brother" over-rides them & instructs on 'where-to-build', 'when-to-build', 'what-to-build', 'who-to-build'. Durango_Splubb
  • Score: 5

1:29pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Quiterie says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
How are these plans "secret" when you've provided a link to the developers website outlining the plans?!? Plus residents are being encouraged to attend public meetings to discuss the plans. Where's the secrecy?

You always get some clever dick saying there isn't the infrastructure for this many homes... in this case Sue Ancell, chairwoman of the residents association. In answer to your question "where are all the children from all these families going to go to school?", the nearest primary school (Rudyard Kipling) and the nearest secondary school (Longhill) are both massively undersubscribed. Given that you live right next to Longhill I'm a little surprised you don't know that.
If you look at the plans they do say these houses will not be high density but will be family homes. If this is the case then you could expect about 400 extra children, more likely more than that. The two Rottingdean primaries are over subscribed, massively and there is no room for expansion. As pointed out earlier traffic is a massive problem through Rottingdean, this will only be made worse. I think you will find there will be massive oposition for this throughout Rottingdean, Ovingdean and Woodingdean.
The maximum number of homes that will be built is 315. There have been a lot of studies on the number of school age children generated by new developments. There's no way that this development will generate 400 school age children. Any children from this development can be comfortably accommodated in Rudyard Kipling and Longhill. Although of course some will probably be privately educated anyway.
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: How are these plans "secret" when you've provided a link to the developers website outlining the plans?!? Plus residents are being encouraged to attend public meetings to discuss the plans. Where's the secrecy? You always get some clever dick saying there isn't the infrastructure for this many homes... in this case Sue Ancell, chairwoman of the residents association. In answer to your question "where are all the children from all these families going to go to school?", the nearest primary school (Rudyard Kipling) and the nearest secondary school (Longhill) are both massively undersubscribed. Given that you live right next to Longhill I'm a little surprised you don't know that.[/p][/quote]If you look at the plans they do say these houses will not be high density but will be family homes. If this is the case then you could expect about 400 extra children, more likely more than that. The two Rottingdean primaries are over subscribed, massively and there is no room for expansion. As pointed out earlier traffic is a massive problem through Rottingdean, this will only be made worse. I think you will find there will be massive oposition for this throughout Rottingdean, Ovingdean and Woodingdean.[/p][/quote]The maximum number of homes that will be built is 315. There have been a lot of studies on the number of school age children generated by new developments. There's no way that this development will generate 400 school age children. Any children from this development can be comfortably accommodated in Rudyard Kipling and Longhill. Although of course some will probably be privately educated anyway. Quiterie
  • Score: -14

1:52pm Thu 27 Feb 14

willshouse says...

brightonpip wrote:
'Secret plans' published nearly a year ago and hidden in full public view on the developers' website. 'Revealed' by developers writing to local residents and inviting them to one of TWO public meetings next month. Whatever your views on what is proposed here the Argus has hardly uncovered some devious and underhand plot to concrete over the South Downs.
why has it taken almost a year to inform local residents by writing when the plans were drawn up in april 2013. why would any local resident look at a company based in esher.surrey for developments in ovingdean,woodingdea
n or anywhere in brighton.the public meetings are a requirement for a development of this size
[quote][p][bold]brightonpip[/bold] wrote: 'Secret plans' published nearly a year ago and hidden in full public view on the developers' website. 'Revealed' by developers writing to local residents and inviting them to one of TWO public meetings next month. Whatever your views on what is proposed here the Argus has hardly uncovered some devious and underhand plot to concrete over the South Downs.[/p][/quote]why has it taken almost a year to inform [only some] local residents by writing when the plans were drawn up in april 2013. why would any local resident look at a company based in esher.surrey for developments in ovingdean,woodingdea n or anywhere in brighton.the public meetings are a requirement for a development of this size willshouse
  • Score: 13

2:07pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Fairfax Aches says...

The NIMBY brigade chomping at the bit as usual...about time the so called "residents" need to realise change is necessary. Accept it or move on!
The NIMBY brigade chomping at the bit as usual...about time the so called "residents" need to realise change is necessary. Accept it or move on! Fairfax Aches
  • Score: -26

2:15pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Saltdean Resident says...

Quiterie wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
Quiterie wrote:
How are these plans "secret" when you've provided a link to the developers website outlining the plans?!? Plus residents are being encouraged to attend public meetings to discuss the plans. Where's the secrecy?

You always get some clever dick saying there isn't the infrastructure for this many homes... in this case Sue Ancell, chairwoman of the residents association. In answer to your question "where are all the children from all these families going to go to school?", the nearest primary school (Rudyard Kipling) and the nearest secondary school (Longhill) are both massively undersubscribed. Given that you live right next to Longhill I'm a little surprised you don't know that.
If you look at the plans they do say these houses will not be high density but will be family homes. If this is the case then you could expect about 400 extra children, more likely more than that. The two Rottingdean primaries are over subscribed, massively and there is no room for expansion. As pointed out earlier traffic is a massive problem through Rottingdean, this will only be made worse. I think you will find there will be massive oposition for this throughout Rottingdean, Ovingdean and Woodingdean.
The maximum number of homes that will be built is 315. There have been a lot of studies on the number of school age children generated by new developments. There's no way that this development will generate 400 school age children. Any children from this development can be comfortably accommodated in Rudyard Kipling and Longhill. Although of course some will probably be privately educated anyway.
Read the document from the development company, it says the site will be used for family homes, they even stress there will be a park for children to play in. The average family in the UK has about 2 children, so say a third of the houses don't have children then that's about 400 children. Also take in to account these houses will be marketed at families then i think 400 is pretty close. Then there is traffic etc, but my main concern is that if this is allowed then there will be a free for all on any green field site around the edge of the city.
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: How are these plans "secret" when you've provided a link to the developers website outlining the plans?!? Plus residents are being encouraged to attend public meetings to discuss the plans. Where's the secrecy? You always get some clever dick saying there isn't the infrastructure for this many homes... in this case Sue Ancell, chairwoman of the residents association. In answer to your question "where are all the children from all these families going to go to school?", the nearest primary school (Rudyard Kipling) and the nearest secondary school (Longhill) are both massively undersubscribed. Given that you live right next to Longhill I'm a little surprised you don't know that.[/p][/quote]If you look at the plans they do say these houses will not be high density but will be family homes. If this is the case then you could expect about 400 extra children, more likely more than that. The two Rottingdean primaries are over subscribed, massively and there is no room for expansion. As pointed out earlier traffic is a massive problem through Rottingdean, this will only be made worse. I think you will find there will be massive oposition for this throughout Rottingdean, Ovingdean and Woodingdean.[/p][/quote]The maximum number of homes that will be built is 315. There have been a lot of studies on the number of school age children generated by new developments. There's no way that this development will generate 400 school age children. Any children from this development can be comfortably accommodated in Rudyard Kipling and Longhill. Although of course some will probably be privately educated anyway.[/p][/quote]Read the document from the development company, it says the site will be used for family homes, they even stress there will be a park for children to play in. The average family in the UK has about 2 children, so say a third of the houses don't have children then that's about 400 children. Also take in to account these houses will be marketed at families then i think 400 is pretty close. Then there is traffic etc, but my main concern is that if this is allowed then there will be a free for all on any green field site around the edge of the city. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 11

2:19pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Saltdean Resident says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
The NIMBY brigade chomping at the bit as usual...about time the so called "residents" need to realise change is necessary. Accept it or move on!
I live a fair distance from this, as stated already if this is allowed then planning policy will have to change, that would free the developers to build on any green field site in Brighton and Hove as a presidence would have been set. Accept it and be walked over by any developer wanting to make a quick buck.
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: The NIMBY brigade chomping at the bit as usual...about time the so called "residents" need to realise change is necessary. Accept it or move on![/p][/quote]I live a fair distance from this, as stated already if this is allowed then planning policy will have to change, that would free the developers to build on any green field site in Brighton and Hove as a presidence would have been set. Accept it and be walked over by any developer wanting to make a quick buck. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 19

2:21pm Thu 27 Feb 14

One View says...

I do believe people have the right to comment about changes to where they live. That's not a NIMBY ism, that's common sense!

Any development is a hard one to discuss. One thing is the more that is built will surely lead to even more and more and more and more...

Maybe not today but there really will be the time where there isn't enough room in the habitable areas of this planet to squeeze any more people in. We only seem learn when it's too late.
I do believe people have the right to comment about changes to where they live. That's not a NIMBY ism, that's common sense! Any development is a hard one to discuss. One thing is the more that is built will surely lead to even more and more and more and more... Maybe not today but there really will be the time where there isn't enough room in the habitable areas of this planet to squeeze any more people in. We only seem learn when it's too late. One View
  • Score: 8

3:03pm Thu 27 Feb 14

getThisCoalitionOut says...

First the government and council have to sort out the problems with the hospitals, A&E, dentists, schooling and roads. Until this is done no more houses can be built and that's only common sense.

Any councillor that agrees to more houses being built without getting these sorted first is not representing the people properly.
First the government and council have to sort out the problems with the hospitals, A&E, dentists, schooling and roads. Until this is done no more houses can be built and that's only common sense. Any councillor that agrees to more houses being built without getting these sorted first is not representing the people properly. getThisCoalitionOut
  • Score: 17

3:21pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Bill in Hanover says...

medianscore wrote:
A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London.

Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space.

Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.
There is nothing in the article that states the housing will be social housing, I imagine they will be sold privately and advertised as being adjacent to the South Downs National Park.
[quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London. Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space. Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.[/p][/quote]There is nothing in the article that states the housing will be social housing, I imagine they will be sold privately and advertised as being adjacent to the South Downs National Park. Bill in Hanover
  • Score: 9

3:22pm Thu 27 Feb 14

taxidiy says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
The NIMBY brigade chomping at the bit as usual...about time the so called "residents" need to realise change is necessary. Accept it or move on!
Like "One View" I don't consider the comments to be nybyism just a concern that this is the thin end of the wedge! I don't know where you live but I have lived in Woodingdean for the last 61 years and as far as I am concerned it was and still is a village as are Ovingdean and Rottingdean,
What concerns me most is how long before they want to fill in the gaps between Woodingdean and Whitehawk/Roedean together with Roedean and Rottingdean/Ovingdea
n??
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: The NIMBY brigade chomping at the bit as usual...about time the so called "residents" need to realise change is necessary. Accept it or move on![/p][/quote]Like "One View" I don't consider the comments to be nybyism just a concern that this is the thin end of the wedge! I don't know where you live but I have lived in Woodingdean for the last 61 years and as far as I am concerned it was and still is a village as are Ovingdean and Rottingdean, What concerns me most is how long before they want to fill in the gaps between Woodingdean and Whitehawk/Roedean together with Roedean and Rottingdean/Ovingdea n?? taxidiy
  • Score: 15

3:30pm Thu 27 Feb 14

historyrepeatinig says...

sl61@sussex.ac.uk wrote:
In north Rottingdean there have been two new developments - 6 houses on the Falmer road "Winton Cottages" and two semi detached chalet bungalows in MeadowClose. In the centre of the village there are the new townhouses where Deans motors used to be. 6 properties there. These are all new build. Winton Cottages have now been for sale for well over a year. Only one of them has sold and is now occupied. You're telling me there is a shortage of available housing - yet this lot have been empty for months if not years. What about all the two bedroom flats around the station? If you search for properties for sale for under £400,000 in Brighton TODAY there are 500+ available. This proposal is pure greed.
You are so right. The problem is not lack of housing, its bloody affordability otherwise people would be buying and moving into these new houses, rather than the dreaded flats in an instant. I noticed that on the websites about the new builds in Rottingdean. At 375000 a pop who is going to buy them? Not the people who really need the family housing....All the building going on in Brighton now is disgusting, those flats will sit there unoccupied. Hang on, maybe the foreign investors will start to stop buying in London and move to buy in brihgton and then the circle goes on and on viciously until all residents are left on the street!!!
[quote][p][bold]sl61@sussex.ac.uk[/bold] wrote: In north Rottingdean there have been two new developments - 6 houses on the Falmer road "Winton Cottages" and two semi detached chalet bungalows in MeadowClose. In the centre of the village there are the new townhouses where Deans motors used to be. 6 properties there. These are all new build. Winton Cottages have now been for sale for well over a year. Only one of them has sold and is now occupied. You're telling me there is a shortage of available housing - yet this lot have been empty for months if not years. What about all the two bedroom flats around the station? If you search for properties for sale for under £400,000 in Brighton TODAY there are 500+ available. This proposal is pure greed.[/p][/quote]You are so right. The problem is not lack of housing, its bloody affordability otherwise people would be buying and moving into these new houses, rather than the dreaded flats in an instant. I noticed that on the websites about the new builds in Rottingdean. At 375000 a pop who is going to buy them? Not the people who really need the family housing....All the building going on in Brighton now is disgusting, those flats will sit there unoccupied. Hang on, maybe the foreign investors will start to stop buying in London and move to buy in brihgton and then the circle goes on and on viciously until all residents are left on the street!!! historyrepeatinig
  • Score: 11

3:30pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Monkeymoo1 says...

medianscore wrote:
A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London.

Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space.

Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.
Not in my back yard a
[quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London. Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space. Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.[/p][/quote]Not in my back yard a Monkeymoo1
  • Score: -5

3:32pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Monkeymoo1 says...

Terry K wrote:
Where will the large mosque and travellers site fit in?
your back garden
[quote][p][bold]Terry K[/bold] wrote: Where will the large mosque and travellers site fit in?[/p][/quote]your back garden Monkeymoo1
  • Score: 5

3:41pm Thu 27 Feb 14

taxidiy says...

Looking at the planned site it does not come up to Cowley Drive but is purely in Ovingdean, filling the gap between the Longhill playing field , Ovingdean Rd and The Vale, which at the moment is very pleasant pasture land for many of the local horses,
Can't imagine the residents of The Vale will be to pleased about it, will knock a few grand off their house values!!
Looking at the planned site it does not come up to Cowley Drive but is purely in Ovingdean, filling the gap between the Longhill playing field , Ovingdean Rd and The Vale, which at the moment is very pleasant pasture land for many of the local horses, Can't imagine the residents of The Vale will be to pleased about it, will knock a few grand off their house values!! taxidiy
  • Score: 7

3:52pm Thu 27 Feb 14

nosolution says...

Isn't the proposed land publicly owned by the council? That means we own it and I shall be voting against any councillor and MP/political party who wants to build on it as is my democratic right...
Isn't the proposed land publicly owned by the council? That means we own it and I shall be voting against any councillor and MP/political party who wants to build on it as is my democratic right... nosolution
  • Score: 8

4:32pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Saltdean Resident says...

taxidiy wrote:
Looking at the planned site it does not come up to Cowley Drive but is purely in Ovingdean, filling the gap between the Longhill playing field , Ovingdean Rd and The Vale, which at the moment is very pleasant pasture land for many of the local horses,
Can't imagine the residents of The Vale will be to pleased about it, will knock a few grand off their house values!!
Hi if you look at tge second picture at the top of this article you will see the map, Option 5, tge largest would use the very large field running along Cowley Drive.
[quote][p][bold]taxidiy[/bold] wrote: Looking at the planned site it does not come up to Cowley Drive but is purely in Ovingdean, filling the gap between the Longhill playing field , Ovingdean Rd and The Vale, which at the moment is very pleasant pasture land for many of the local horses, Can't imagine the residents of The Vale will be to pleased about it, will knock a few grand off their house values!![/p][/quote]Hi if you look at tge second picture at the top of this article you will see the map, Option 5, tge largest would use the very large field running along Cowley Drive. Saltdean Resident
  • Score: 2

4:39pm Thu 27 Feb 14

tez1959 says...

on the subject of plans the local government need to be looking long term in running a major road from the A259 coast road from say peacehaven or telscombe to falmer the A27 theres enough land to get from a to b. before the roads on the cliffs decide to slip into the sea it will happen eventually one day get it planned now before we all sink ha ha
on the subject of plans the local government need to be looking long term in running a major road from the A259 coast road from say peacehaven or telscombe to falmer the A27 theres enough land to get from a to b. before the roads on the cliffs decide to slip into the sea it will happen eventually one day get it planned now before we all sink ha ha tez1959
  • Score: 3

5:05pm Thu 27 Feb 14

taxidiy says...

Saltdean Resident wrote:
taxidiy wrote:
Looking at the planned site it does not come up to Cowley Drive but is purely in Ovingdean, filling the gap between the Longhill playing field , Ovingdean Rd and The Vale, which at the moment is very pleasant pasture land for many of the local horses,
Can't imagine the residents of The Vale will be to pleased about it, will knock a few grand off their house values!!
Hi if you look at tge second picture at the top of this article you will see the map, Option 5, tge largest would use the very large field running along Cowley Drive.
Yes you are right of course but that is in The South Downs National Park and luck to anyone trying to build on that! I look out on that part and it is very steep!!
[quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]taxidiy[/bold] wrote: Looking at the planned site it does not come up to Cowley Drive but is purely in Ovingdean, filling the gap between the Longhill playing field , Ovingdean Rd and The Vale, which at the moment is very pleasant pasture land for many of the local horses, Can't imagine the residents of The Vale will be to pleased about it, will knock a few grand off their house values!![/p][/quote]Hi if you look at tge second picture at the top of this article you will see the map, Option 5, tge largest would use the very large field running along Cowley Drive.[/p][/quote]Yes you are right of course but that is in The South Downs National Park and luck to anyone trying to build on that! I look out on that part and it is very steep!! taxidiy
  • Score: 5

5:06pm Thu 27 Feb 14

taxidiy says...

Meant GOOD luck!
Meant GOOD luck! taxidiy
  • Score: 1

5:34pm Thu 27 Feb 14

willshouse says...

nosolution wrote:
Isn't the proposed land publicly owned by the council? That means we own it and I shall be voting against any councillor and MP/political party who wants to build on it as is my democratic right...
I think this land is privately owned and is leased to various horse owners
I believe the land has been looked at by the council before but deemed unsuitable for housing
[quote][p][bold]nosolution[/bold] wrote: Isn't the proposed land publicly owned by the council? That means we own it and I shall be voting against any councillor and MP/political party who wants to build on it as is my democratic right...[/p][/quote]I think this land is privately owned and is leased to various horse owners I believe the land has been looked at by the council before but deemed unsuitable for housing willshouse
  • Score: 2

6:46pm Thu 27 Feb 14

nosolution says...

willshouse wrote:
nosolution wrote:
Isn't the proposed land publicly owned by the council? That means we own it and I shall be voting against any councillor and MP/political party who wants to build on it as is my democratic right...
I think this land is privately owned and is leased to various horse owners
I believe the land has been looked at by the council before but deemed unsuitable for housing
Ok thanks for the info...
[quote][p][bold]willshouse[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nosolution[/bold] wrote: Isn't the proposed land publicly owned by the council? That means we own it and I shall be voting against any councillor and MP/political party who wants to build on it as is my democratic right...[/p][/quote]I think this land is privately owned and is leased to various horse owners I believe the land has been looked at by the council before but deemed unsuitable for housing[/p][/quote]Ok thanks for the info... nosolution
  • Score: 2

7:09pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Man With No Name says...

medianscore wrote:
A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London.

Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space.

Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.
I have to start by saying that I am not necessarily pro-immigration, however...... what you are saying is simply not true. I know you would love to blame it on immigrants but take it from someone that enters hundreds of council houses every year that 99% of the people I meet are British. Two of the biggest problems with Social Housing are right to buy, which makes no sense at all, and generations of (British) people seeing how easy it is to just get pregnant, say you have been kicked out of your mums (council) house, and "live off of the social" just like mum did, and Nan (who are both under 50) like its their god given right. Sorry, I know this probably isn't what you want to hear but its the truth as I see it I am afraid...
[quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London. Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space. Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.[/p][/quote]I have to start by saying that I am not necessarily pro-immigration, however...... what you are saying is simply not true. I know you would love to blame it on immigrants but take it from someone that enters hundreds of council houses every year that 99% of the people I meet are British. Two of the biggest problems with Social Housing are right to buy, which makes no sense at all, and generations of (British) people seeing how easy it is to just get pregnant, say you have been kicked out of your mums (council) house, and "live off of the social" just like mum did, and Nan (who are both under 50) like its their god given right. Sorry, I know this probably isn't what you want to hear but its the truth as I see it I am afraid... Man With No Name
  • Score: 13

7:13pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Man With No Name says...

Man With No Name wrote:
medianscore wrote:
A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London.

Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space.

Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.
I have to start by saying that I am not necessarily pro-immigration, however...... what you are saying is simply not true. I know you would love to blame it on immigrants but take it from someone that enters hundreds of council houses every year that 99% of the people I meet are British. Two of the biggest problems with Social Housing are right to buy, which makes no sense at all, and generations of (British) people seeing how easy it is to just get pregnant, say you have been kicked out of your mums (council) house, and "live off of the social" just like mum did, and Nan (who are both under 50) like its their god given right. Sorry, I know this probably isn't what you want to hear but its the truth as I see it I am afraid...
Also, Social Housing should be means tested, so those that need it the most get it, and people who are over housed should be moved into smaller properties with no incentive.
[quote][p][bold]Man With No Name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London. Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space. Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.[/p][/quote]I have to start by saying that I am not necessarily pro-immigration, however...... what you are saying is simply not true. I know you would love to blame it on immigrants but take it from someone that enters hundreds of council houses every year that 99% of the people I meet are British. Two of the biggest problems with Social Housing are right to buy, which makes no sense at all, and generations of (British) people seeing how easy it is to just get pregnant, say you have been kicked out of your mums (council) house, and "live off of the social" just like mum did, and Nan (who are both under 50) like its their god given right. Sorry, I know this probably isn't what you want to hear but its the truth as I see it I am afraid...[/p][/quote]Also, Social Housing should be means tested, so those that need it the most get it, and people who are over housed should be moved into smaller properties with no incentive. Man With No Name
  • Score: 3

8:25pm Thu 27 Feb 14

DCCCCCC says...

Man With No Name wrote:
medianscore wrote:
A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London.

Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space.

Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.
I have to start by saying that I am not necessarily pro-immigration, however...... what you are saying is simply not true. I know you would love to blame it on immigrants but take it from someone that enters hundreds of council houses every year that 99% of the people I meet are British. Two of the biggest problems with Social Housing are right to buy, which makes no sense at all, and generations of (British) people seeing how easy it is to just get pregnant, say you have been kicked out of your mums (council) house, and "live off of the social" just like mum did, and Nan (who are both under 50) like its their god given right. Sorry, I know this probably isn't what you want to hear but its the truth as I see it I am afraid...
I so agree.
[quote][p][bold]Man With No Name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London. Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space. Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.[/p][/quote]I have to start by saying that I am not necessarily pro-immigration, however...... what you are saying is simply not true. I know you would love to blame it on immigrants but take it from someone that enters hundreds of council houses every year that 99% of the people I meet are British. Two of the biggest problems with Social Housing are right to buy, which makes no sense at all, and generations of (British) people seeing how easy it is to just get pregnant, say you have been kicked out of your mums (council) house, and "live off of the social" just like mum did, and Nan (who are both under 50) like its their god given right. Sorry, I know this probably isn't what you want to hear but its the truth as I see it I am afraid...[/p][/quote]I so agree. DCCCCCC
  • Score: 4

8:28pm Thu 27 Feb 14

DCCCCCC says...

Fairfax Aches wrote:
The NIMBY brigade chomping at the bit as usual...about time the so called "residents" need to realise change is necessary. Accept it or move on!
You obviously haven't got a clue what this area is like re traffic congestion or you wouldn't have made such a stupid comment!
[quote][p][bold]Fairfax Aches[/bold] wrote: The NIMBY brigade chomping at the bit as usual...about time the so called "residents" need to realise change is necessary. Accept it or move on![/p][/quote]You obviously haven't got a clue what this area is like re traffic congestion or you wouldn't have made such a stupid comment! DCCCCCC
  • Score: 14

8:31pm Thu 27 Feb 14

DCCCCCC says...

We need to get as many people as possible who are against this development to attend these public meetings next month . It's no good just writing in and commenting, people need to get off their backsides and attend.
We need to get as many people as possible who are against this development to attend these public meetings next month . It's no good just writing in and commenting, people need to get off their backsides and attend. DCCCCCC
  • Score: 13

10:27pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Wageslavemum says...

The Falmer road cannot cope with the current traffic. It has regular long tail backs reaching often up to Warren Road junction northwards and to A259 at Rottingdean southwards. It is riddled with pot holes, drainage is poor and it floods regularly just around the traffic lights near Cowley Drive. No scope to expand the road as South Downs on one side and Longhill School on the other. No infrastructure, local primaries ARE oversubscribed. Lots of siblings split between schools for that reason. Rottingdean one way system is a bottleneck. Ovingdean Road can't take any more traffic and also floods just before the slip road to Ovingdean village itself as well as by the Vale. Ovingdean village itself would be hell. The Vale would have all of their amenity/view blighted. No parking anywhere unless you're a builder and amazingly get to park anywhere. In a valley , so normal phone /tv signals unreliable in many places and would need extensive tunnelling to set up. This is a semi rural area with lots of important and protected wildlife. The areas demarcated represent "green corridors" which are essential to wildlife being sustainable. It should not be made into a highly urbanised area. Lots of elderly, retired, disabled people who sought relative peace and quiet. The property companies are on the grab and have no regard for community as they operate out of an adjoining county in Surrey. House prices of new builds have indeed been extortionate. There is no reason to think those proposed would be much different. Where are the services to support this. A tiny village store in Longhill Road. A dentist in the Ridgeway. A small already crowded doctors surgery in Rottingdean. Why not fix up what there is-improve the local facilities rather than placing the feeble ones under yet more strain.
The Falmer road cannot cope with the current traffic. It has regular long tail backs reaching often up to Warren Road junction northwards and to A259 at Rottingdean southwards. It is riddled with pot holes, drainage is poor and it floods regularly just around the traffic lights near Cowley Drive. No scope to expand the road as South Downs on one side and Longhill School on the other. No infrastructure, local primaries ARE oversubscribed. Lots of siblings split between schools for that reason. Rottingdean one way system is a bottleneck. Ovingdean Road can't take any more traffic and also floods just before the slip road to Ovingdean village itself as well as by the Vale. Ovingdean village itself would be hell. The Vale would have all of their amenity/view blighted. No parking anywhere unless you're a builder and amazingly get to park anywhere. In a valley , so normal phone /tv signals unreliable in many places and would need extensive tunnelling to set up. This is a semi rural area with lots of important and protected wildlife. The areas demarcated represent "green corridors" which are essential to wildlife being sustainable. It should not be made into a highly urbanised area. Lots of elderly, retired, disabled people who sought relative peace and quiet. The property companies are on the grab and have no regard for community as they operate out of an adjoining county in Surrey. House prices of new builds have indeed been extortionate. There is no reason to think those proposed would be much different. Where are the services to support this. A tiny village store in Longhill Road. A dentist in the Ridgeway. A small already crowded doctors surgery in Rottingdean. Why not fix up what there is-improve the local facilities rather than placing the feeble ones under yet more strain. Wageslavemum
  • Score: 15

1:15am Fri 28 Feb 14

MuammarQaddafi says...

More expensive (taxpayer-funded) housing for people who will work for crap wages, if they work at all. Ironically, a few people get rich off of this situation.
More expensive (taxpayer-funded) housing for people who will work for crap wages, if they work at all. Ironically, a few people get rich off of this situation. MuammarQaddafi
  • Score: 3

5:23am Fri 28 Feb 14

MuammarQaddafi says...

"Some people living in The Vale and Ovingdean Road have been sent letters from the developers telling them about the meetings - however many neighbours said they had not been told anything about it." Brings back a memorable conversation:
"But the plans were on display . . ."
"On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them."
"That's the display department."
"With a torch."
"Ah, well the lights had probably gone."
"So had the stairs."
"But look, you found the notice, didn't you?"
"Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard."
"Some people living in The Vale and Ovingdean Road have been sent letters from the developers telling them about the meetings - however many neighbours said they had not been told anything about it." Brings back a memorable conversation: "But the plans were on display . . ." "On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them." "That's the display department." "With a torch." "Ah, well the lights had probably gone." "So had the stairs." "But look, you found the notice, didn't you?" "Yes," said Arthur, "yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard." MuammarQaddafi
  • Score: 7

9:08am Fri 28 Feb 14

s_james says...

Amused at the people saying we don’t need more houses but the problem is affordability. Er… basic supply/demand economics – the reason they are unaffordable is because there are not enough of them
Amused at the people saying we don’t need more houses but the problem is affordability. Er… basic supply/demand economics – the reason they are unaffordable is because there are not enough of them s_james
  • Score: 0

6:14pm Fri 28 Feb 14

ronrostog says...

And there never will be due to mass immigration and the fact a lot of families don't stick together anymore.
And there never will be due to mass immigration and the fact a lot of families don't stick together anymore. ronrostog
  • Score: 1

6:26pm Fri 28 Feb 14

sabbat36 says...

medianscore wrote:
A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London.

Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space.

Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.
LOcal ukip supporters were quick to blame immigrants and eventually gay people, followed quickly by, cyclists, buses, then taxis, bus lanes, cycle lanes and belatedly the i360 and finally green jason kitkat.
Nigel farage said it was all a load of buttocks and blamed heterosexuals en masse
[quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London. Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space. Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.[/p][/quote]LOcal ukip supporters were quick to blame immigrants and eventually gay people, followed quickly by, cyclists, buses, then taxis, bus lanes, cycle lanes and belatedly the i360 and finally green jason kitkat. Nigel farage said it was all a load of buttocks and blamed heterosexuals en masse sabbat36
  • Score: 0

6:29pm Fri 28 Feb 14

sabbat36 says...

DCCCCCC wrote:
Man With No Name wrote:
medianscore wrote:
A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London.

Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space.

Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.
I have to start by saying that I am not necessarily pro-immigration, however...... what you are saying is simply not true. I know you would love to blame it on immigrants but take it from someone that enters hundreds of council houses every year that 99% of the people I meet are British. Two of the biggest problems with Social Housing are right to buy, which makes no sense at all, and generations of (British) people seeing how easy it is to just get pregnant, say you have been kicked out of your mums (council) house, and "live off of the social" just like mum did, and Nan (who are both under 50) like its their god given right. Sorry, I know this probably isn't what you want to hear but its the truth as I see it I am afraid...
I so agree.
never apologise for standing up to ignorant bigots.
[quote][p][bold]DCCCCCC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Man With No Name[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London. Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space. Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.[/p][/quote]I have to start by saying that I am not necessarily pro-immigration, however...... what you are saying is simply not true. I know you would love to blame it on immigrants but take it from someone that enters hundreds of council houses every year that 99% of the people I meet are British. Two of the biggest problems with Social Housing are right to buy, which makes no sense at all, and generations of (British) people seeing how easy it is to just get pregnant, say you have been kicked out of your mums (council) house, and "live off of the social" just like mum did, and Nan (who are both under 50) like its their god given right. Sorry, I know this probably isn't what you want to hear but its the truth as I see it I am afraid...[/p][/quote]I so agree.[/p][/quote]never apologise for standing up to ignorant bigots. sabbat36
  • Score: 1

9:19am Sat 1 Mar 14

willshouse says...

taxidiy wrote:
Saltdean Resident wrote:
taxidiy wrote:
Looking at the planned site it does not come up to Cowley Drive but is purely in Ovingdean, filling the gap between the Longhill playing field , Ovingdean Rd and The Vale, which at the moment is very pleasant pasture land for many of the local horses,
Can't imagine the residents of The Vale will be to pleased about it, will knock a few grand off their house values!!
Hi if you look at tge second picture at the top of this article you will see the map, Option 5, tge largest would use the very large field running along Cowley Drive.
Yes you are right of course but that is in The South Downs National Park and luck to anyone trying to build on that! I look out on that part and it is very steep!!
brighton and hove council have been told to look again at land classed as urban fringe for possible development. even if this proposed development doesn't immediately affect you but you enjoy countryside please look at the map of land classed as urban fringe. sites in this area include further areas in ovingdean, a large piece of land behind the eley drive area,further sites in rottingdean and a large piece of land in saltdean which states that it was excluded from the south downs national park after high court action. there are many sites all over brighton and hove.
[quote][p][bold]taxidiy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saltdean Resident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]taxidiy[/bold] wrote: Looking at the planned site it does not come up to Cowley Drive but is purely in Ovingdean, filling the gap between the Longhill playing field , Ovingdean Rd and The Vale, which at the moment is very pleasant pasture land for many of the local horses, Can't imagine the residents of The Vale will be to pleased about it, will knock a few grand off their house values!![/p][/quote]Hi if you look at tge second picture at the top of this article you will see the map, Option 5, tge largest would use the very large field running along Cowley Drive.[/p][/quote]Yes you are right of course but that is in The South Downs National Park and luck to anyone trying to build on that! I look out on that part and it is very steep!![/p][/quote]brighton and hove council have been told to look again at land classed as urban fringe for possible development. even if this proposed development doesn't immediately affect you but you enjoy countryside please look at the map of land classed as urban fringe. sites in this area include further areas in ovingdean, a large piece of land behind the eley drive area,further sites in rottingdean and a large piece of land in saltdean which states that it was excluded from the south downs national park after high court action. there are many sites all over brighton and hove. willshouse
  • Score: 3

7:19pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Barn5y says...

Quiterie wrote:
How are these plans "secret" when you've provided a link to the developers website outlining the plans?!? Plus residents are being encouraged to attend public meetings to discuss the plans. Where's the secrecy?

You always get some clever dick saying there isn't the infrastructure for this many homes... in this case Sue Ancell, chairwoman of the residents association. In answer to your question "where are all the children from all these families going to go to school?", the nearest primary school (Rudyard Kipling) and the nearest secondary school (Longhill) are both massively undersubscribed. Given that you live right next to Longhill I'm a little surprised you don't know that.
Please update your information. Rudyard Kipling Primary School is almost full and so is Longhill. I have children in BOTH schools!!!
[quote][p][bold]Quiterie[/bold] wrote: How are these plans "secret" when you've provided a link to the developers website outlining the plans?!? Plus residents are being encouraged to attend public meetings to discuss the plans. Where's the secrecy? You always get some clever dick saying there isn't the infrastructure for this many homes... in this case Sue Ancell, chairwoman of the residents association. In answer to your question "where are all the children from all these families going to go to school?", the nearest primary school (Rudyard Kipling) and the nearest secondary school (Longhill) are both massively undersubscribed. Given that you live right next to Longhill I'm a little surprised you don't know that.[/p][/quote]Please update your information. Rudyard Kipling Primary School is almost full and so is Longhill. I have children in BOTH schools!!! Barn5y
  • Score: 2

7:22pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Libertarian Patriot says...

Simon Kirby works for Dave Cameron who oversees mass and uncontrolled immigration into our country, the most overcrowded in Europe next to Malta. The pollution will not get any better as hundreds of thousand pour into our small island and buy cars and use energy.

The pro-Eu fascist liberals who think we should give our hard earned money to people who have paid in nothing and welcome those who think they can come here and demand housing while pushing up prices and filling our green land with mass housing to accommodate them ought to hang their hands in shame. Hitler was in favour of the mass dislocation of entire people groups in the name of cheap and slave labour and the Eu is doing the exactly same thing. No wonder George Orwell warned us in "1984" to be wary of the liberal left as their policies will lead to totalitarianism.

Lets get behind the Greens and UKIP and stop the madness of mass and uncontrolled immigration and the racism that is behind it.
Simon Kirby works for Dave Cameron who oversees mass and uncontrolled immigration into our country, the most overcrowded in Europe next to Malta. The pollution will not get any better as hundreds of thousand pour into our small island and buy cars and use energy. The pro-Eu fascist liberals who think we should give our hard earned money to people who have paid in nothing and welcome those who think they can come here and demand housing while pushing up prices and filling our green land with mass housing to accommodate them ought to hang their hands in shame. Hitler was in favour of the mass dislocation of entire people groups in the name of cheap and slave labour and the Eu is doing the exactly same thing. No wonder George Orwell warned us in "1984" to be wary of the liberal left as their policies will lead to totalitarianism. Lets get behind the Greens and UKIP and stop the madness of mass and uncontrolled immigration and the racism that is behind it. Libertarian Patriot
  • Score: 1

12:20pm Sun 9 Mar 14

wippasnapper says...

medianscore wrote:
A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London.

Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space.

Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.
Are but if you’re a homeless person living in B&H you have the opportunity of moving into a storage container at the bottom of Newengland St and anywhere ells they intend on putting them for those in need of a home, wile any of our good homes go’s to those not of this country.
[quote][p][bold]medianscore[/bold] wrote: A large percentage of social housing in B&H has been given to people with NO local connection. Many have gone to immigrants, particularly from the eastern EU. 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live there. Many have come from London. Like Britain, B&H is full up and no more large scale housing developments should be created, there isn't enough room or the infrastructure to cope. Extra housing should be built in the North of the country because the South East is at breaking point. Not until we get out of the EU and stop the free flow of people will Britons be able to protect their living space. Vote to get out of the EU, support UKIP to end this insanity.[/p][/quote]Are but if you’re a homeless person living in B&H you have the opportunity of moving into a storage container at the bottom of Newengland St and anywhere ells they intend on putting them for those in need of a home, wile any of our good homes go’s to those not of this country. wippasnapper
  • Score: 0

12:28pm Sun 9 Mar 14

wippasnapper says...

pwlr1966 wrote:
Do you want homes for your children to live in or not?
English children yes People that have lived in B&H for more than 20 years + would be nice.
[quote][p][bold]pwlr1966[/bold] wrote: Do you want homes for your children to live in or not?[/p][/quote]English children yes People that have lived in B&H for more than 20 years + would be nice. wippasnapper
  • Score: 0

12:52pm Sun 9 Mar 14

wippasnapper says...

“We are really keen to speak to local residents and hear their views on our plans”.
Wall we all know what that means dote we “Consultation” where by the council pretend to lesson to what local residents have to say and haw they feel about there proposal – then we all read in the local rag – following our “Consultation” with local residents all are happy with our plans – even if the megacity where dead against there plans – sounds formula – that’s the GREEN scum party for you and lets be honest the old Co/op building could have been turned into accommodation for the people of B&H but o’ no its going to be Student lets and the old barracks on the Lewes rd could have been redeveloped for more affordable homes but o’ no its being handed over to the University and what about the old fruit & veg market that’s right another missed opportunity for affordable homes in B&H only to be handed to Sussex Uni for more student lets et – so how many other sites suitable for homes for B&H people will be handed over to the University for housing more students to witch some will remain in this country – but its ok to build on our green open spaces putting an even bigger squeeze on our wildlife O’ and somewhere for people with No local connection & immigrants to live & over the last 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live here. Many have come from London & feather afield.
“We are really keen to speak to local residents and hear their views on our plans”. Wall we all know what that means dote we “Consultation” where by the council pretend to lesson to what local residents have to say and haw they feel about there proposal – then we all read in the local rag – following our “Consultation” with local residents all are happy with our plans – even if the megacity where dead against there plans – sounds formula – that’s the GREEN scum party for you and lets be honest the old Co/op building could have been turned into accommodation for the people of B&H but o’ no its going to be Student lets and the old barracks on the Lewes rd could have been redeveloped for more affordable homes but o’ no its being handed over to the University and what about the old fruit & veg market that’s right another missed opportunity for affordable homes in B&H only to be handed to Sussex Uni for more student lets et – so how many other sites suitable for homes for B&H people will be handed over to the University for housing more students to witch some will remain in this country – but its ok to build on our green open spaces putting an even bigger squeeze on our wildlife O’ and somewhere for people with No local connection & immigrants to live & over the last 20 years of mass immigration has created a shortage of housing in Britain and B&H is plagued by people wanting to live here. Many have come from London & feather afield. wippasnapper
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