Talking Point: Should more be done to clamp down on benefit cheats?

Talking Point: Should more be done to clamp down on benefit cheats?

Talking Point: Should more be done to clamp down on benefit cheats?

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Today, The Argus revealed Sussex councils prosecuted more than 80 people last year for housing and council tax benefit fraud. Around £1 million was defrauded in a year.

Read the full story by clicking here to see our original report in today's paper.

But what do you think of the figures? To what extent does benefit fraud harm our communities and should more be done to target cheats?

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11:11am Mon 3 Mar 14

We are the 99% says...

If we're going to proceed with this benefits bashing, let's have some facts first, even though the truth and facts, is something headlines such these don't want to hear, as they WANT to perpetuate the myth about benefit claimants!

1) Most Benefits ARE claimed by pensioners. FACT!
2) Most Benefit Claims are from people IN WORK. FACT!
But what's the point!

Facts is not what the benefit bashers, those with money want to hear!
Take the few luxuries these peasants have (brought when they were working) away!
Make them look poor and see them in rags!
Oh my god!
Can't have all these beggars in rags, littering our lovely streets can we?
We don't want to cast our eyes down from our designer clothes to look at these riff-raff!
Must sweep them off the streets!
But where do we put them?
I know!
Let's put the away from our eyes, into slum ghettos pending the final solution for them!
And if the Tories and their supporters get their way, the final solution will eventually be the gas chambers if it carries on like this with this constant, constant persecution, of people who are paying the price for the greed of the rich and what the bankers caused!
If we're going to proceed with this benefits bashing, let's have some facts first, even though the truth and facts, is something headlines such these don't want to hear, as they WANT to perpetuate the myth about benefit claimants! 1) Most Benefits ARE claimed by pensioners. FACT! 2) Most Benefit Claims are from people IN WORK. FACT! But what's the point! Facts is not what the benefit bashers, those with money want to hear! Take the few luxuries these peasants have (brought when they were working) away! Make them look poor and see them in rags! Oh my god! Can't have all these beggars in rags, littering our lovely streets can we? We don't want to cast our eyes down from our designer clothes to look at these riff-raff! Must sweep them off the streets! But where do we put them? I know! Let's put the away from our eyes, into slum ghettos pending the final solution for them! And if the Tories and their supporters get their way, the final solution will eventually be the gas chambers if it carries on like this with this constant, constant persecution, of people who are paying the price for the greed of the rich and what the bankers caused! We are the 99%
  • Score: 5

11:34am Mon 3 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

Further, if you think that the sole recipients of public funding are benefit claimants ... think again. It is a question of semantics. All those large corporations that employ all those low wage earners that then have to go and claim in work benefits ... The poor get benefits, the rich get tax breaks.
Further, if you think that the sole recipients of public funding are benefit claimants ... think again. It is a question of semantics. All those large corporations that employ all those low wage earners that then have to go and claim in work benefits ... The poor get benefits, the rich get tax breaks. mimseycal
  • Score: 11

11:41am Mon 3 Mar 14

Barcy Dussell says...

Classic misdirection. They've managed to get the whole country talking about benefit cheats when a vast amount more is missed through tax evasion and avoidance (Tax avoidance is totally legal of course). The amount "cheated" through benefits is infinitesimal in comparison, but of course that's what we concentrate on. Benefit fraud is of course wrong, but I don't think it harms our communities as much as the huge amounts of money being lost by the banks or the huge amounts of tax being evaded by the big corporations. The more we have articles and editorial leaders like this the more we contribute to the myth that benefit fraud is the main cause of the country's financial problems.
Classic misdirection. They've managed to get the whole country talking about benefit cheats when a vast amount more is missed through tax evasion and avoidance (Tax avoidance is totally legal of course). The amount "cheated" through benefits is infinitesimal in comparison, but of course that's what we concentrate on. Benefit fraud is of course wrong, but I don't think it harms our communities as much as the huge amounts of money being lost by the banks or the huge amounts of tax being evaded by the big corporations. The more we have articles and editorial leaders like this the more we contribute to the myth that benefit fraud is the main cause of the country's financial problems. Barcy Dussell
  • Score: 8

11:43am Mon 3 Mar 14

Barcy Dussell says...

mimseycal wrote:
Further, if you think that the sole recipients of public funding are benefit claimants ... think again. It is a question of semantics. All those large corporations that employ all those low wage earners that then have to go and claim in work benefits ... The poor get benefits, the rich get tax breaks.
Exactly. We should be looking at WHY people working 35 to 40 hours a week need benefits in order to pay rent, eat, pay bills.
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Further, if you think that the sole recipients of public funding are benefit claimants ... think again. It is a question of semantics. All those large corporations that employ all those low wage earners that then have to go and claim in work benefits ... The poor get benefits, the rich get tax breaks.[/p][/quote]Exactly. We should be looking at WHY people working 35 to 40 hours a week need benefits in order to pay rent, eat, pay bills. Barcy Dussell
  • Score: 11

12:43pm Mon 3 Mar 14

tykemison says...

Best set of comments ever on this comment's page, well said people:-) the way the poor are hounded is a national disgrace, our country is turning into a intolerable nation who blame the poor for all the corporation greed, it's good to know there are people amongst us who think freely still.
Best set of comments ever on this comment's page, well said people:-) the way the poor are hounded is a national disgrace, our country is turning into a intolerable nation who blame the poor for all the corporation greed, it's good to know there are people amongst us who think freely still. tykemison
  • Score: 8

1:12pm Mon 3 Mar 14

thevoiceoftruth says...

Completely agree with the comments above. Tax evasion costs far more and many of those who claim benefits are in poorly paid jobs. Ironically, those who really benefit from the welfare state include Richard Benyon a Tory MP who gets £625,000 a year in housing benefit from his property portfolio.
Completely agree with the comments above. Tax evasion costs far more and many of those who claim benefits are in poorly paid jobs. Ironically, those who really benefit from the welfare state include Richard Benyon a Tory MP who gets £625,000 a year in housing benefit from his property portfolio. thevoiceoftruth
  • Score: 9

2:34pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Simon Philips says...

A lady friend I know, upon losing a baby, had a complete nervous breakdown! Atos classed her as fit for work?
She committed suicide a month ago!
I hold the ConDems, Atos, and the nasty, vicious pro Tories on here 100% responsible and I swear, I will get her and all the others that have died - justice!
A lady friend I know, upon losing a baby, had a complete nervous breakdown! Atos classed her as fit for work? She committed suicide a month ago! I hold the ConDems, Atos, and the nasty, vicious pro Tories on here 100% responsible and I swear, I will get her and all the others that have died - justice! Simon Philips
  • Score: 8

4:09pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Thay Qon U says...

"1) Most Benefits ARE claimed by pensioners. FACT! "

Not quite true, unfortunately.

I've just looked on the Govt. website for the latest (Jan 2013 -yep the "latest") published national statistics for Council Tax Benefits (Total claims 5.9m of which 2.2m (37%) were for 65+ age group; for Housing Benefit the total claims were 5.07m of which 1.29m (25%) were for 65+ age group.

Source :- https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/publicatio
ns/housing-benefit-a
nd-council-tax-benef
it-summary-statistic
s-january-2013
"1) Most Benefits ARE claimed by pensioners. FACT! " Not quite true, unfortunately. I've just looked on the Govt. website for the latest (Jan 2013 -yep the "latest") published national statistics for Council Tax Benefits (Total claims 5.9m of which 2.2m (37%) were for 65+ age group; for Housing Benefit the total claims were 5.07m of which 1.29m (25%) were for 65+ age group. Source :- https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/housing-benefit-a nd-council-tax-benef it-summary-statistic s-january-2013 Thay Qon U
  • Score: -4

4:16pm Mon 3 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

Thay Qon U wrote:Council tax benefits are not the sole benefits claimed by those in need. The claim regarding benefits is made about all benefits, which includes but does not consist exclusively of Council Tax benefits.

So look by all means but make sure you look at like for like ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Thay Qon U[/bold] wrote:Council tax benefits are not the sole benefits claimed by those in need. The claim regarding benefits is made about all benefits, which includes but does not consist exclusively of Council Tax benefits. So look by all means but make sure you look at like for like ;-) mimseycal
  • Score: 3

4:36pm Mon 3 Mar 14

We are the 99% says...

Thay Qon U wrote:
"1) Most Benefits ARE claimed by pensioners. FACT! "

Not quite true, unfortunately.

I've just looked on the Govt. website for the latest (Jan 2013 -yep the "latest") published national statistics for Council Tax Benefits (Total claims 5.9m of which 2.2m (37%) were for 65+ age group; for Housing Benefit the total claims were 5.07m of which 1.29m (25%) were for 65+ age group.

Source :- https://www.gov.uk/g

overnment/publicatio

ns/housing-benefit-a

nd-council-tax-benef

it-summary-statistic

s-january-2013
These Government statistics, should be printed on toilet paper, as that the only use they're fit for!
[quote][p][bold]Thay Qon U[/bold] wrote: "1) Most Benefits ARE claimed by pensioners. FACT! " Not quite true, unfortunately. I've just looked on the Govt. website for the latest (Jan 2013 -yep the "latest") published national statistics for Council Tax Benefits (Total claims 5.9m of which 2.2m (37%) were for 65+ age group; for Housing Benefit the total claims were 5.07m of which 1.29m (25%) were for 65+ age group. Source :- https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/housing-benefit-a nd-council-tax-benef it-summary-statistic s-january-2013[/p][/quote]These Government statistics, should be printed on toilet paper, as that the only use they're fit for! We are the 99%
  • Score: 0

4:44pm Mon 3 Mar 14

We are the 99% says...

Barcy Dussell wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Further, if you think that the sole recipients of public funding are benefit claimants ... think again. It is a question of semantics. All those large corporations that employ all those low wage earners that then have to go and claim in work benefits ... The poor get benefits, the rich get tax breaks.
Exactly. We should be looking at WHY people working 35 to 40 hours a week need benefits in order to pay rent, eat, pay bills.
I used to be a tax driver.
Journey man is the correct title!
I did this, as I wanted to work less hours and earn more money?
Most weeks, I earnt £500!
Sounds alot doesn't it?
But this is rip-off Britain isn't it!
£120 radio hire!
Down to £380!
Petrol? £100!
Down now to £280!
Car hire or buy and keeping it on the road?
£250!
Left with the princely sum of £30 or £50 if I was lucky!
This................
.for a 60hr week!
Everyone makes money in this country!
Except the poor sod that actually does the work!
He gets screwed!
AS USUAL!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Barcy Dussell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Further, if you think that the sole recipients of public funding are benefit claimants ... think again. It is a question of semantics. All those large corporations that employ all those low wage earners that then have to go and claim in work benefits ... The poor get benefits, the rich get tax breaks.[/p][/quote]Exactly. We should be looking at WHY people working 35 to 40 hours a week need benefits in order to pay rent, eat, pay bills.[/p][/quote]I used to be a tax driver. Journey man is the correct title! I did this, as I wanted to work less hours and earn more money? Most weeks, I earnt £500! Sounds alot doesn't it? But this is rip-off Britain isn't it! £120 radio hire! Down to £380! Petrol? £100! Down now to £280! Car hire or buy and keeping it on the road? £250! Left with the princely sum of £30 or £50 if I was lucky! This................ .for a 60hr week! Everyone makes money in this country! Except the poor sod that actually does the work! He gets screwed! AS USUAL!!!!! We are the 99%
  • Score: 4

4:48pm Mon 3 Mar 14

We are the 99% says...

We are the 99% wrote:
Barcy Dussell wrote:
mimseycal wrote:
Further, if you think that the sole recipients of public funding are benefit claimants ... think again. It is a question of semantics. All those large corporations that employ all those low wage earners that then have to go and claim in work benefits ... The poor get benefits, the rich get tax breaks.
Exactly. We should be looking at WHY people working 35 to 40 hours a week need benefits in order to pay rent, eat, pay bills.
I used to be a tax driver.
Journey man is the correct title!
I did this, as I wanted to work less hours and earn more money?
Most weeks, I earnt £500!
Sounds alot doesn't it?
But this is rip-off Britain isn't it!
£120 radio hire!
Down to £380!
Petrol? £100!
Down now to £280!
Car hire or buy and keeping it on the road?
£250!
Left with the princely sum of £30 or £50 if I was lucky!
This................

.for a 60hr week!
Everyone makes money in this country!
Except the poor sod that actually does the work!
He gets screwed!
AS USUAL!!!!!
Oh! Citizens Advice Bureau told me when I went to them for advice, as I had no money to pay my rent or buy food for working a 60 hr week;
and quote:

" If you don't have money for food, then you can always go to a soup kitchen!"

I truly hate this country, where even genocide is allowed!
[quote][p][bold]We are the 99%[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Barcy Dussell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: Further, if you think that the sole recipients of public funding are benefit claimants ... think again. It is a question of semantics. All those large corporations that employ all those low wage earners that then have to go and claim in work benefits ... The poor get benefits, the rich get tax breaks.[/p][/quote]Exactly. We should be looking at WHY people working 35 to 40 hours a week need benefits in order to pay rent, eat, pay bills.[/p][/quote]I used to be a tax driver. Journey man is the correct title! I did this, as I wanted to work less hours and earn more money? Most weeks, I earnt £500! Sounds alot doesn't it? But this is rip-off Britain isn't it! £120 radio hire! Down to £380! Petrol? £100! Down now to £280! Car hire or buy and keeping it on the road? £250! Left with the princely sum of £30 or £50 if I was lucky! This................ .for a 60hr week! Everyone makes money in this country! Except the poor sod that actually does the work! He gets screwed! AS USUAL!!!!![/p][/quote]Oh! Citizens Advice Bureau told me when I went to them for advice, as I had no money to pay my rent or buy food for working a 60 hr week; and quote: " If you don't have money for food, then you can always go to a soup kitchen!" I truly hate this country, where even genocide is allowed! We are the 99%
  • Score: 3

5:02pm Mon 3 Mar 14

PorkyChopper says...

I'd like to see a clampdown on people like the odious Philip Green and other tax dodging crooks who take far more out of this country than benefit "cheats".
I'd like to see a clampdown on people like the odious Philip Green and other tax dodging crooks who take far more out of this country than benefit "cheats". PorkyChopper
  • Score: 7

8:08pm Mon 3 Mar 14

ourcoalition says...

Regarding the posts above - pensioners claim most benefits in terms of money, not numbers claiming - it is the largest amount paid out by far - unemployment is the smallest, by far. And all of it is rightly paid out.

Any crack down should be on multi-national companies, such as Glaxo Smith Kline, who are based in this country, except for the payment of tax, when they are based in a little office in Luxembourg - contrast the building there, with their HQ in London.

It is a truly sick society we live in, when this scam is legal.
Regarding the posts above - pensioners claim most benefits in terms of money, not numbers claiming - it is the largest amount paid out by far - unemployment is the smallest, by far. And all of it is rightly paid out. Any crack down should be on multi-national companies, such as Glaxo Smith Kline, who are based in this country, except for the payment of tax, when they are based in a little office in Luxembourg - contrast the building there, with their HQ in London. It is a truly sick society we live in, when this scam is legal. ourcoalition
  • Score: 8

8:39pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Simon Philips says...

ourcoalition wrote:
Regarding the posts above - pensioners claim most benefits in terms of money, not numbers claiming - it is the largest amount paid out by far - unemployment is the smallest, by far. And all of it is rightly paid out. Any crack down should be on multi-national companies, such as Glaxo Smith Kline, who are based in this country, except for the payment of tax, when they are based in a little office in Luxembourg - contrast the building there, with their HQ in London. It is a truly sick society we live in, when this scam is legal.
And exactly what age group votes Conservative?
Heed the words you pensioners from someone from your generation, a Roman Catholic Priest in Nazi occupied Europe!
"First they came for the disabled, and I said nothing - because I wasn't disabled!
Then they came for the communist, and I said nothing because I wasn't a communist!
Then they came for the gypsies, and I said nothing because I wasn't a gypsy!
Then they came for the Jews, and I said nothing, because I wasn't a Jew!
And then they came for me....and by then, there was no one left!"
Be warned you benefit claiming and Tory voting pensioners!
You might feel safe now, but after we've been done away with, when there's no one left to demonise....... this evil will come after you!
[quote][p][bold]ourcoalition[/bold] wrote: Regarding the posts above - pensioners claim most benefits in terms of money, not numbers claiming - it is the largest amount paid out by far - unemployment is the smallest, by far. And all of it is rightly paid out. Any crack down should be on multi-national companies, such as Glaxo Smith Kline, who are based in this country, except for the payment of tax, when they are based in a little office in Luxembourg - contrast the building there, with their HQ in London. It is a truly sick society we live in, when this scam is legal.[/p][/quote]And exactly what age group votes Conservative? Heed the words you pensioners from someone from your generation, a Roman Catholic Priest in Nazi occupied Europe! "First they came for the disabled, and I said nothing - because I wasn't disabled! Then they came for the communist, and I said nothing because I wasn't a communist! Then they came for the gypsies, and I said nothing because I wasn't a gypsy! Then they came for the Jews, and I said nothing, because I wasn't a Jew! And then they came for me....and by then, there was no one left!" Be warned you benefit claiming and Tory voting pensioners! You might feel safe now, but after we've been done away with, when there's no one left to demonise....... this evil will come after you! Simon Philips
  • Score: 3

9:40pm Mon 3 Mar 14

mimseycal says...

There already is talk of taking away the buspasses for old age pensioners.
There already is talk of taking away the buspasses for old age pensioners. mimseycal
  • Score: 3

12:05am Tue 4 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

mimseycal wrote:
There already is talk of taking away the buspasses for old age pensioners.
and rightly so ,the free bus pass is not free as someone has to pay
[quote][p][bold]mimseycal[/bold] wrote: There already is talk of taking away the buspasses for old age pensioners.[/p][/quote]and rightly so ,the free bus pass is not free as someone has to pay whatevernext2013
  • Score: -2

8:51am Tue 4 Mar 14

Plantpot says...

Let's look at the tax dodging cash economy of the self-employed.....
Let's look at the tax dodging cash economy of the self-employed..... Plantpot
  • Score: -3

9:33am Tue 4 Mar 14

We are the 99% says...

Plantpot wrote:
Let's look at the tax dodging cash economy of the self-employed.....
£200 billion in tax evasion from big business!
Let's tackle them first!
[quote][p][bold]Plantpot[/bold] wrote: Let's look at the tax dodging cash economy of the self-employed.....[/p][/quote]£200 billion in tax evasion from big business! Let's tackle them first! We are the 99%
  • Score: 5

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