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Backing for free Sunday parking in Brighton and Hove

The Argus: Backing for free Sunday parking in Brighton and Hove Backing for free Sunday parking in Brighton and Hove

Hundreds of people have backed a petition calling for free parking in Brighton and Hove on Sundays.

Brighton and Hove City councillors are set to discuss the plans after a petition calling for the move reached 1,255 signatures – triggering a debate.

The petition was launched last year by local Liberal Democrat members and will be discussed at a full council meeting next  Thursday.

 

 

While Lib Dem member Jeremy Gale has led the calls for the free parking, the party has no seats on the city council, leaving the Green Party, Labour and Conservatives to have the final decision.

But Mr Gale said introducing free parking would have a major benefit for the city and help the local economy.

He said: “It is clear that residents and visitors are being penalised by the Green administration for wanting to use and park their car. 

“Scrapping Sunday parking charges will encourage people to visit Brighton and Hove and spend their money in the shops and with  retailers across our city, helping out local economy to prosper.

“Not only do our plans help businesses, they will save residents money as well allowing them to travel across the city, visiting friends or family, safe in the knowledge that they will not be charged for on-street parking.

“That said, I urge councillors from across the chamber to fully engage in the debate the signatures of the petition have triggered.

“Given we have no political representation on the council it seems there’s a really strong public feeling for this measure to go forward.”

Last year the local council raised £16.25 million through parking revenues and fines, the highest in Britain outside London.

Conservative councillor Graham Cox said the idea did have some merit, but to offer blanket free parking would need much more work.

He said: “We think there’s some scope for some free parking on Sundays but it needs to be targeted at the underused car parks and other areas like the seafront in the winter.

“To introduce blanket free parking on a Sunday we’d need to know the full costs, because I suspect it would be extremely expensive.”

According to the council papers for next week, councillors are expected to refer the petition to the policy and resource committee for further consideration.

No one from the Green Party or Labour was available to comment.

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11:28am Thu 20 Mar 14

fredaj says...

Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants.

What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue.

It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.
Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants. What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue. It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is. fredaj
  • Score: 25

11:34am Thu 20 Mar 14

Fairfax Aches says...

There is no chance on Gods green earth that anything will happen that reduces the cost of parking in Brighton.
Having said that, if any party has the balls to pledge this within their election campaigning, they will be receiving my vote.
There is no chance on Gods green earth that anything will happen that reduces the cost of parking in Brighton. Having said that, if any party has the balls to pledge this within their election campaigning, they will be receiving my vote. Fairfax Aches
  • Score: 29

12:05pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Eugenius says...

fredaj wrote:
Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants.

What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue.

It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.
Sure, call it loss of revenue. If you make parking free on Sunday then you have to make cuts of (at a guess) £2 million from somewhere else to balance the budget. Most of the parking revenue covers the cost of concessionary bus passes for pensioners and disabled residents.
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants. What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue. It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.[/p][/quote]Sure, call it loss of revenue. If you make parking free on Sunday then you have to make cuts of (at a guess) £2 million from somewhere else to balance the budget. Most of the parking revenue covers the cost of concessionary bus passes for pensioners and disabled residents. Eugenius
  • Score: -27

12:13pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Fight_Back says...

Eugenius wrote:
fredaj wrote:
Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants.

What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue.

It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.
Sure, call it loss of revenue. If you make parking free on Sunday then you have to make cuts of (at a guess) £2 million from somewhere else to balance the budget. Most of the parking revenue covers the cost of concessionary bus passes for pensioners and disabled residents.
And once again, as a Green, you decided to use the emotional argument of it affecting the vulnerable. Why not make the cut from the other £6m ?

Regardless, the Lib Dems are entirely out of touch in this city ( ask any Albion fan ! ). I would suggest that most people using the car parks on a Sunday are tourists. Thus most the savings would be made by tourists not residents. It would be far better to provide discounted parking during the working week to local residents ( similar to the discounted admission fee to the Royal Pavilion ).
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants. What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue. It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.[/p][/quote]Sure, call it loss of revenue. If you make parking free on Sunday then you have to make cuts of (at a guess) £2 million from somewhere else to balance the budget. Most of the parking revenue covers the cost of concessionary bus passes for pensioners and disabled residents.[/p][/quote]And once again, as a Green, you decided to use the emotional argument of it affecting the vulnerable. Why not make the cut from the other £6m ? Regardless, the Lib Dems are entirely out of touch in this city ( ask any Albion fan ! ). I would suggest that most people using the car parks on a Sunday are tourists. Thus most the savings would be made by tourists not residents. It would be far better to provide discounted parking during the working week to local residents ( similar to the discounted admission fee to the Royal Pavilion ). Fight_Back
  • Score: 19

12:44pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Dealing with idiots says...

What no comment from the smug t**d Ian Davey? Too busy sending out his CV for a new job or is he going to set up another charity to ponse off ?
( Bike for life which was closed down as soon a the subsidy went but could have been run as a business but Ian didn't know how )
What no comment from the smug t**d Ian Davey? Too busy sending out his CV for a new job or is he going to set up another charity to ponse off ? ( Bike for life which was closed down as soon a the subsidy went but could have been run as a business but Ian didn't know how ) Dealing with idiots
  • Score: 22

1:03pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Bob_The_Ferret says...

Free or reduced price parking should not be a 'cost' necessitating cuts to other budgets, since they shouldn't be making a surplus on the parking charges anyway.
Free or reduced price parking should not be a 'cost' necessitating cuts to other budgets, since they shouldn't be making a surplus on the parking charges anyway. Bob_The_Ferret
  • Score: 23

1:13pm Thu 20 Mar 14

fredaj says...

Eugenius wrote:
fredaj wrote:
Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants.

What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue.

It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.
Sure, call it loss of revenue. If you make parking free on Sunday then you have to make cuts of (at a guess) £2 million from somewhere else to balance the budget. Most of the parking revenue covers the cost of concessionary bus passes for pensioners and disabled residents.
It is only those who cynically wish to manipulate the public who keep trotting put the old chestnut that cuts can only ever effect services to the disabled, the elderly and vulnerable or those for small children.

Have you not figured out yet that most of us really aren't that stupid?
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants. What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue. It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.[/p][/quote]Sure, call it loss of revenue. If you make parking free on Sunday then you have to make cuts of (at a guess) £2 million from somewhere else to balance the budget. Most of the parking revenue covers the cost of concessionary bus passes for pensioners and disabled residents.[/p][/quote]It is only those who cynically wish to manipulate the public who keep trotting put the old chestnut that cuts can only ever effect services to the disabled, the elderly and vulnerable or those for small children. Have you not figured out yet that most of us really aren't that stupid? fredaj
  • Score: 22

1:17pm Thu 20 Mar 14

havendweller says...

Eugenius wrote:
fredaj wrote:
Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants.

What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue.

It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.
Sure, call it loss of revenue. If you make parking free on Sunday then you have to make cuts of (at a guess) £2 million from somewhere else to balance the budget. Most of the parking revenue covers the cost of concessionary bus passes for pensioners and disabled residents.
The revenue from parking can only be used on improving transport. Maybe scraping the planned widening of the 20mph zone could cover any loss of income from introducing free parking on a Sunday. Encouraging visitors to Brighton would also give a much needed boost to the local economy.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants. What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue. It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.[/p][/quote]Sure, call it loss of revenue. If you make parking free on Sunday then you have to make cuts of (at a guess) £2 million from somewhere else to balance the budget. Most of the parking revenue covers the cost of concessionary bus passes for pensioners and disabled residents.[/p][/quote]The revenue from parking can only be used on improving transport. Maybe scraping the planned widening of the 20mph zone could cover any loss of income from introducing free parking on a Sunday. Encouraging visitors to Brighton would also give a much needed boost to the local economy. havendweller
  • Score: 24

1:21pm Thu 20 Mar 14

gheese77 says...

If this is to be done it should be in winter only. Those who think that there is a lack of visitors should take a look at the traffic tailbacks on London road on a sunny sunday. We certainly do not need to encourage more cars into town, it is congested enough anyway.
If this is to be done it should be in winter only. Those who think that there is a lack of visitors should take a look at the traffic tailbacks on London road on a sunny sunday. We certainly do not need to encourage more cars into town, it is congested enough anyway. gheese77
  • Score: -16

2:20pm Thu 20 Mar 14

qm says...

"Conservative councillor Graham Cox said the idea did have some merit, but to offer blanket free parking would need much more work."
“To introduce blanket free parking on a Sunday we’d need to know the full costs, because I suspect it would be extremely expensive.”

It wouldn't cost anything Councillor Cox! It would only mean a restoration to how it used to be before the Council sought every way possible with the enthusiasm of hungry ferrets to alleviate the community of as much 'hard-earned' as possible to inflate the Council bureaucracy, wallow in vanity projects and strut about like self-important pigeons.
Putting it simply for you - it would mean thieving a little less!!!
"Conservative councillor Graham Cox said the idea did have some merit, but to offer blanket free parking would need much more work." “To introduce blanket free parking on a Sunday we’d need to know the full costs, because I suspect it would be extremely expensive.” It wouldn't cost anything Councillor Cox! It would only mean a restoration to how it used to be before the Council sought every way possible with the enthusiasm of hungry ferrets to alleviate the community of as much 'hard-earned' as possible to inflate the Council bureaucracy, wallow in vanity projects and strut about like self-important pigeons. Putting it simply for you - it would mean thieving a little less!!! qm
  • Score: 16

2:44pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Gaz the great says...

Will never happen, think how much money is being made espically at weekends. Also it would hamper the further introductions of more 20 mph zones, bus lanes & cycle lanes. If this revenue were to cease, what would happen to these great Green policies then?
Will never happen, think how much money is being made espically at weekends. Also it would hamper the further introductions of more 20 mph zones, bus lanes & cycle lanes. If this revenue were to cease, what would happen to these great Green policies then? Gaz the great
  • Score: 10

3:10pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Joshiman says...

Common sense .The word is out that Brighton is just not interested in promoting tourism.Their Mantra is "We hate cars" so we will make it very difficult for tourists in cars by playing games with traffic lights .
Vistors last week were twittering about the long traffic jams from the seafront to the A23.Apparently it was just crawling traffic.
Common sense .The word is out that Brighton is just not interested in promoting tourism.Their Mantra is "We hate cars" so we will make it very difficult for tourists in cars by playing games with traffic lights . Vistors last week were twittering about the long traffic jams from the seafront to the A23.Apparently it was just crawling traffic. Joshiman
  • Score: 9

3:15pm Thu 20 Mar 14

bug eye says...

Free parking on Sunday would be good from October to March for ALL, then during the summer months it could just be for the most eco friendly cars i.e. those that do not pay vehicle excise duty with the lowest emissions. Any lost revenue would be made up by increase in trade with less businesses closing and therefore more business rates etc., more users of the i360 with a ;percentage going to the council and other council run attractions. This would certainly encourage anyone coming by car to use an eco car, and also encourage residents to do the same. We have had the stick now the carrot please.
Free parking on Sunday would be good from October to March for ALL, then during the summer months it could just be for the most eco friendly cars i.e. those that do not pay vehicle excise duty with the lowest emissions. Any lost revenue would be made up by increase in trade with less businesses closing and therefore more business rates etc., more users of the i360 with a ;percentage going to the council and other council run attractions. This would certainly encourage anyone coming by car to use an eco car, and also encourage residents to do the same. We have had the stick now the carrot please. bug eye
  • Score: -14

3:33pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Richada says...

Eugenius wrote:
fredaj wrote:
Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants.

What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue.

It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.
Sure, call it loss of revenue. If you make parking free on Sunday then you have to make cuts of (at a guess) £2 million from somewhere else to balance the budget. Most of the parking revenue covers the cost of concessionary bus passes for pensioners and disabled residents.
There really is a nasty, vindictive streak running through the administration here in Brighton & Hove.

Any challenge to their blinkered ideological policies is met with the same emotional blackmail line. Just as with the 4.75% increase there are plenty of other ways to accomodate a reduction in revenue through free Sunday parking.

Indeed, this is a measure that would find favour with the great majority of residents here - for many of the elderly, it may even restore some semblance of family and social life - allowing visitors to actually freely visit on one day out of seven.
[quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants. What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue. It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.[/p][/quote]Sure, call it loss of revenue. If you make parking free on Sunday then you have to make cuts of (at a guess) £2 million from somewhere else to balance the budget. Most of the parking revenue covers the cost of concessionary bus passes for pensioners and disabled residents.[/p][/quote]There really is a nasty, vindictive streak running through the administration here in Brighton & Hove. Any challenge to their blinkered ideological policies is met with the same emotional blackmail line. Just as with the 4.75% increase there are plenty of other ways to accomodate a reduction in revenue through free Sunday parking. Indeed, this is a measure that would find favour with the great majority of residents here - for many of the elderly, it may even restore some semblance of family and social life - allowing visitors to actually freely visit on one day out of seven. Richada
  • Score: 7

3:56pm Thu 20 Mar 14

cynic_the says...

bug eye wrote:
Free parking on Sunday would be good from October to March for ALL, then during the summer months it could just be for the most eco friendly cars i.e. those that do not pay vehicle excise duty with the lowest emissions. Any lost revenue would be made up by increase in trade with less businesses closing and therefore more business rates etc., more users of the i360 with a ;percentage going to the council and other council run attractions. This would certainly encourage anyone coming by car to use an eco car, and also encourage residents to do the same. We have had the stick now the carrot please.
"eco car" !!

Brilliant! What's your next joke?
[quote][p][bold]bug eye[/bold] wrote: Free parking on Sunday would be good from October to March for ALL, then during the summer months it could just be for the most eco friendly cars i.e. those that do not pay vehicle excise duty with the lowest emissions. Any lost revenue would be made up by increase in trade with less businesses closing and therefore more business rates etc., more users of the i360 with a ;percentage going to the council and other council run attractions. This would certainly encourage anyone coming by car to use an eco car, and also encourage residents to do the same. We have had the stick now the carrot please.[/p][/quote]"eco car" !! Brilliant! What's your next joke? cynic_the
  • Score: 7

5:33pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Herbertfarquarson says...

How are we ever going to pay councillors £40,000pa if people keep asking to get things for free. What about the salaries for the beaureaucrats in their seafront offices that need to catch up with levels of city bankers. Residents must stop causing trouble and just accept being robbed and conned by the good councillors.
How are we ever going to pay councillors £40,000pa if people keep asking to get things for free. What about the salaries for the beaureaucrats in their seafront offices that need to catch up with levels of city bankers. Residents must stop causing trouble and just accept being robbed and conned by the good councillors. Herbertfarquarson
  • Score: 10

6:59pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Maxwell's Ghost says...

My missus has an Eco car and she still gets walloped by this council and this shows that their policies have nothing to do with the environment at all, it's all about disliking cars or moving vehicles of any sort.
Remember this is the party which has allowed travellers to sit on wild park for three weeks, yes three weeks with no court action to remove them.
This is the group of people riding a quad bike through the woods at the weekend during the key breeding season of many rare species in wild park without any intervention.
This is the party which has allowed the recycling rate to drop to its lowest level since 2007 and the council to fall down the carbon table.
It is not an Eco party. It's a party of individuals with their own hobby horse issues which campaigned under the Green Party flag
Eco nomical with the truth is the nearest they get to Eco.
My missus has an Eco car and she still gets walloped by this council and this shows that their policies have nothing to do with the environment at all, it's all about disliking cars or moving vehicles of any sort. Remember this is the party which has allowed travellers to sit on wild park for three weeks, yes three weeks with no court action to remove them. This is the group of people riding a quad bike through the woods at the weekend during the key breeding season of many rare species in wild park without any intervention. This is the party which has allowed the recycling rate to drop to its lowest level since 2007 and the council to fall down the carbon table. It is not an Eco party. It's a party of individuals with their own hobby horse issues which campaigned under the Green Party flag Eco nomical with the truth is the nearest they get to Eco. Maxwell's Ghost
  • Score: 14

10:22pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Ania Green says...

As Eugenius has said there would have to be cuts in other places to make up for the loss of parking revenue if this was implemented.

I'm afraid it's not a bottomless pit and the money has to come from somewhere. Many people come to visit Brighton and Hove on Sundays and the revenue raised is needed for many essential services in the city.
As Eugenius has said there would have to be cuts in other places to make up for the loss of parking revenue if this was implemented. I'm afraid it's not a bottomless pit and the money has to come from somewhere. Many people come to visit Brighton and Hove on Sundays and the revenue raised is needed for many essential services in the city. Ania Green
  • Score: -13

10:47pm Thu 20 Mar 14

fredaj says...

Ania Green wrote:
As Eugenius has said there would have to be cuts in other places to make up for the loss of parking revenue if this was implemented.

I'm afraid it's not a bottomless pit and the money has to come from somewhere. Many people come to visit Brighton and Hove on Sundays and the revenue raised is needed for many essential services in the city.
Or the council could just spend less money on non-essential services or spend money more efficiently on essential services.

And at the same time rejoice that the town is reaping bigger benefits.
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: As Eugenius has said there would have to be cuts in other places to make up for the loss of parking revenue if this was implemented. I'm afraid it's not a bottomless pit and the money has to come from somewhere. Many people come to visit Brighton and Hove on Sundays and the revenue raised is needed for many essential services in the city.[/p][/quote]Or the council could just spend less money on non-essential services or spend money more efficiently on essential services. And at the same time rejoice that the town is reaping bigger benefits. fredaj
  • Score: 7

10:51pm Thu 20 Mar 14

rayellerton says...

Ania Green wrote:
As Eugenius has said there would have to be cuts in other places to make up for the loss of parking revenue if this was implemented.

I'm afraid it's not a bottomless pit and the money has to come from somewhere. Many people come to visit Brighton and Hove on Sundays and the revenue raised is needed for many essential services in the city.
we get told all the time that parking revenues can only be spent on traffic related projects, it does not and should not affect other services.... so get your story straight, which way is it?
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: As Eugenius has said there would have to be cuts in other places to make up for the loss of parking revenue if this was implemented. I'm afraid it's not a bottomless pit and the money has to come from somewhere. Many people come to visit Brighton and Hove on Sundays and the revenue raised is needed for many essential services in the city.[/p][/quote]we get told all the time that parking revenues can only be spent on traffic related projects, it does not and should not affect other services.... so get your story straight, which way is it? rayellerton
  • Score: 10

1:35am Fri 21 Mar 14

whatevernext2013 says...

rayellerton wrote:
Ania Green wrote:
As Eugenius has said there would have to be cuts in other places to make up for the loss of parking revenue if this was implemented.

I'm afraid it's not a bottomless pit and the money has to come from somewhere. Many people come to visit Brighton and Hove on Sundays and the revenue raised is needed for many essential services in the city.
we get told all the time that parking revenues can only be spent on traffic related projects, it does not and should not affect other services.... so get your story straight, which way is it?
well its not been spent on road upkeep or potholes
[quote][p][bold]rayellerton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: As Eugenius has said there would have to be cuts in other places to make up for the loss of parking revenue if this was implemented. I'm afraid it's not a bottomless pit and the money has to come from somewhere. Many people come to visit Brighton and Hove on Sundays and the revenue raised is needed for many essential services in the city.[/p][/quote]we get told all the time that parking revenues can only be spent on traffic related projects, it does not and should not affect other services.... so get your story straight, which way is it?[/p][/quote]well its not been spent on road upkeep or potholes whatevernext2013
  • Score: 5

2:06am Fri 21 Mar 14

Zeta Function says...

The travel choices people make are important for local air quality and health especially for the very young and old.

Free parking sends the wrong message.
The travel choices people make are important for local air quality and health especially for the very young and old. Free parking sends the wrong message. Zeta Function
  • Score: -6

7:01am Fri 21 Mar 14

jagiwatch says...

Loss of revenue? Free parking? what about all the "residents" who have to buy permits ... will these charges be reduced also ... I doubt it!
Loss of revenue? Free parking? what about all the "residents" who have to buy permits ... will these charges be reduced also ... I doubt it! jagiwatch
  • Score: 6

7:30am Fri 21 Mar 14

Take it Personally says...

gheese77 wrote:
If this is to be done it should be in winter only. Those who think that there is a lack of visitors should take a look at the traffic tailbacks on London road on a sunny sunday. We certainly do not need to encourage more cars into town, it is congested enough anyway.
There are only tailbacks because the tw4ts have narrowed every road or put in unused cycle lanes.
Main roads in and out of Brighton and they narrow them? F*** off, we're not that stupid
[quote][p][bold]gheese77[/bold] wrote: If this is to be done it should be in winter only. Those who think that there is a lack of visitors should take a look at the traffic tailbacks on London road on a sunny sunday. We certainly do not need to encourage more cars into town, it is congested enough anyway.[/p][/quote]There are only tailbacks because the tw4ts have narrowed every road or put in unused cycle lanes. Main roads in and out of Brighton and they narrow them? F*** off, we're not that stupid Take it Personally
  • Score: 8

9:44am Fri 21 Mar 14

Richada says...

Ania Green wrote:
As Eugenius has said there would have to be cuts in other places to make up for the loss of parking revenue if this was implemented.

I'm afraid it's not a bottomless pit and the money has to come from somewhere. Many people come to visit Brighton and Hove on Sundays and the revenue raised is needed for many essential services in the city.
Essential services in the city?

Wait a minute - as soon as we start talking about spending the parking revenue surplus on services needed in the city you tell us that this revenue is ring fenced for transport projects!

Just which is it? You can't have it both ways.
[quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: As Eugenius has said there would have to be cuts in other places to make up for the loss of parking revenue if this was implemented. I'm afraid it's not a bottomless pit and the money has to come from somewhere. Many people come to visit Brighton and Hove on Sundays and the revenue raised is needed for many essential services in the city.[/p][/quote]Essential services in the city? Wait a minute - as soon as we start talking about spending the parking revenue surplus on services needed in the city you tell us that this revenue is ring fenced for transport projects! Just which is it? You can't have it both ways. Richada
  • Score: 2

9:48am Fri 21 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

fredaj wrote:
Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants. What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue. It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.
Shouldn't your posted be entitled 'Capitalism for Dummies'?
[quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants. What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue. It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.[/p][/quote]Shouldn't your posted be entitled 'Capitalism for Dummies'? theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 0

9:55am Fri 21 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Bob_The_Ferret wrote:
Free or reduced price parking should not be a 'cost' necessitating cuts to other budgets, since they shouldn't be making a surplus on the parking charges anyway.
You happen to live in a town where the council will always make money from parking, even if it was trying not to, because the high demand and limited supply is strong here. Having lived in and close to Brighton for most of my life, I've always been bemused by its appeal to daytrippers etc. It has a beauty that is apparent if you squint your eyes and try to catch its best side. Apart from that, it still has all the appeal of a polished turd, even if Nicholas Hoogstraten isn't running the show. At least it isn't Blackpool.
[quote][p][bold]Bob_The_Ferret[/bold] wrote: Free or reduced price parking should not be a 'cost' necessitating cuts to other budgets, since they shouldn't be making a surplus on the parking charges anyway.[/p][/quote]You happen to live in a town where the council will always make money from parking, even if it was trying not to, because the high demand and limited supply is strong here. Having lived in and close to Brighton for most of my life, I've always been bemused by its appeal to daytrippers etc. It has a beauty that is apparent if you squint your eyes and try to catch its best side. Apart from that, it still has all the appeal of a polished turd, even if Nicholas Hoogstraten isn't running the show. At least it isn't Blackpool. theargusissoinformative
  • Score: 0

9:59am Fri 21 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

qm wrote:
"Conservative councillor Graham Cox said the idea did have some merit, but to offer blanket free parking would need much more work." “To introduce blanket free parking on a Sunday we’d need to know the full costs, because I suspect it would be extremely expensive.” It wouldn't cost anything Councillor Cox! It would only mean a restoration to how it used to be before the Council sought every way possible with the enthusiasm of hungry ferrets to alleviate the community of as much 'hard-earned' as possible to inflate the Council bureaucracy, wallow in vanity projects and strut about like self-important pigeons. Putting it simply for you - it would mean thieving a little less!!!
As per my comment above, this is not how capitalism works. I wonder how you get by, day to day?
[quote][p][bold]qm[/bold] wrote: "Conservative councillor Graham Cox said the idea did have some merit, but to offer blanket free parking would need much more work." “To introduce blanket free parking on a Sunday we’d need to know the full costs, because I suspect it would be extremely expensive.” It wouldn't cost anything Councillor Cox! It would only mean a restoration to how it used to be before the Council sought every way possible with the enthusiasm of hungry ferrets to alleviate the community of as much 'hard-earned' as possible to inflate the Council bureaucracy, wallow in vanity projects and strut about like self-important pigeons. Putting it simply for you - it would mean thieving a little less!!![/p][/quote]As per my comment above, this is not how capitalism works. I wonder how you get by, day to day? theargusissoinformative
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10:06am Fri 21 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Richada wrote:
Ania Green wrote: As Eugenius has said there would have to be cuts in other places to make up for the loss of parking revenue if this was implemented. I'm afraid it's not a bottomless pit and the money has to come from somewhere. Many people come to visit Brighton and Hove on Sundays and the revenue raised is needed for many essential services in the city.
Essential services in the city? Wait a minute - as soon as we start talking about spending the parking revenue surplus on services needed in the city you tell us that this revenue is ring fenced for transport projects! Just which is it? You can't have it both ways.
I think she means OAP bus passes
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: As Eugenius has said there would have to be cuts in other places to make up for the loss of parking revenue if this was implemented. I'm afraid it's not a bottomless pit and the money has to come from somewhere. Many people come to visit Brighton and Hove on Sundays and the revenue raised is needed for many essential services in the city.[/p][/quote]Essential services in the city? Wait a minute - as soon as we start talking about spending the parking revenue surplus on services needed in the city you tell us that this revenue is ring fenced for transport projects! Just which is it? You can't have it both ways.[/p][/quote]I think she means OAP bus passes theargusissoinformative
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10:13am Fri 21 Mar 14

theargusissoinformative says...

Richada wrote:
Eugenius wrote:
fredaj wrote: Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants. What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue. It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.
Sure, call it loss of revenue. If you make parking free on Sunday then you have to make cuts of (at a guess) £2 million from somewhere else to balance the budget. Most of the parking revenue covers the cost of concessionary bus passes for pensioners and disabled residents.
There really is a nasty, vindictive streak running through the administration here in Brighton & Hove. Any challenge to their blinkered ideological policies is met with the same emotional blackmail line. Just as with the 4.75% increase there are plenty of other ways to accomodate a reduction in revenue through free Sunday parking. Indeed, this is a measure that would find favour with the great majority of residents here - for many of the elderly, it may even restore some semblance of family and social life - allowing visitors to actually freely visit on one day out of seven.
'Many of the elderly' have a disabled badge that they can use to take their family out anywhere, anytime. Have you ever noted the Coptic Christians doing this in Davigdor Road? This scenario is also to be noted near mosques. The able bodied elderly get the bus pass that no-one else gets; don't use pensioners as emotional blackmail; they're doing okay from this.
[quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Eugenius[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fredaj[/bold] wrote: Actually it would be free to allow free parking, and it would also save on the wages of parking attendants. What the council is actually worried about is the loss of revenue. It's a bit like when people refer to spending as "investment" when they want to make it sound more palatable than it actually is.[/p][/quote]Sure, call it loss of revenue. If you make parking free on Sunday then you have to make cuts of (at a guess) £2 million from somewhere else to balance the budget. Most of the parking revenue covers the cost of concessionary bus passes for pensioners and disabled residents.[/p][/quote]There really is a nasty, vindictive streak running through the administration here in Brighton & Hove. Any challenge to their blinkered ideological policies is met with the same emotional blackmail line. Just as with the 4.75% increase there are plenty of other ways to accomodate a reduction in revenue through free Sunday parking. Indeed, this is a measure that would find favour with the great majority of residents here - for many of the elderly, it may even restore some semblance of family and social life - allowing visitors to actually freely visit on one day out of seven.[/p][/quote]'Many of the elderly' have a disabled badge that they can use to take their family out anywhere, anytime. Have you ever noted the Coptic Christians doing this in Davigdor Road? This scenario is also to be noted near mosques. The able bodied elderly get the bus pass that no-one else gets; don't use pensioners as emotional blackmail; they're doing okay from this. theargusissoinformative
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10:26am Fri 21 Mar 14

Richada says...

theargusissoinformat
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wrote:
Richada wrote:
Ania Green wrote: As Eugenius has said there would have to be cuts in other places to make up for the loss of parking revenue if this was implemented. I'm afraid it's not a bottomless pit and the money has to come from somewhere. Many people come to visit Brighton and Hove on Sundays and the revenue raised is needed for many essential services in the city.
Essential services in the city? Wait a minute - as soon as we start talking about spending the parking revenue surplus on services needed in the city you tell us that this revenue is ring fenced for transport projects! Just which is it? You can't have it both ways.
I think she means OAP bus passes
Oh I see, it was a clever sidestep then of the 'emotional blackmail' argument - she'll go a long way our Ms Green.......

........did I hear you say the further the better by any chance?
[quote][p][bold]theargusissoinformat ive[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richada[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ania Green[/bold] wrote: As Eugenius has said there would have to be cuts in other places to make up for the loss of parking revenue if this was implemented. I'm afraid it's not a bottomless pit and the money has to come from somewhere. Many people come to visit Brighton and Hove on Sundays and the revenue raised is needed for many essential services in the city.[/p][/quote]Essential services in the city? Wait a minute - as soon as we start talking about spending the parking revenue surplus on services needed in the city you tell us that this revenue is ring fenced for transport projects! Just which is it? You can't have it both ways.[/p][/quote]I think she means OAP bus passes[/p][/quote]Oh I see, it was a clever sidestep then of the 'emotional blackmail' argument - she'll go a long way our Ms Green....... ........did I hear you say the further the better by any chance? Richada
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1:27pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Shore Porter says...

Perhaps the proponents of free parking on Sundays can inform us of how Brighton can possibly accommodate more cars? Just last Sunday the Steine, seafront and adjoining roads were all gridlocked with stationary, lung-choking traffic making life hell for anyone daring to venture outside the pedestrian areas.

Nevertheless, I'm all for experiment so let's have one Sunday a month where parking is free in central Brighton and, just for balance, have one car-free Sunday per month where all cars are banned from central Brighton. Let's see which one is best for tourism.
Perhaps the proponents of free parking on Sundays can inform us of how Brighton can possibly accommodate more cars? Just last Sunday the Steine, seafront and adjoining roads were all gridlocked with stationary, lung-choking traffic making life hell for anyone daring to venture outside the pedestrian areas. Nevertheless, I'm all for experiment so let's have one Sunday a month where parking is free in central Brighton and, just for balance, have one car-free Sunday per month where all cars are banned from central Brighton. Let's see which one is best for tourism. Shore Porter
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