Lewes prisoner on hunger strike after row over vegan diet

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A prisoner who claims he is not getting a strict vegan diet in jail has gone on hunger strike.

Graham Martin who is on remand at Lewes Prison awaiting trial for conspiracy to murder had yesterday refused to eat for 20 days.

He claims prison bosses will only give him crisps, onions or food contaminated with animal products to eat.

Mr Martin, who follows the ancient Indian religion Jainism, said that the prison’s refusal to provide him with suitable nutritious food in accordance with his religion is a breach of his human rights. He said that after weeks of being given the wrong foods he grew so frustrated he decided to stop eating altogether on July 11.

Describing the conditions he claims he has been subjected to at HMP Lewes, Mr Graham said: “The state of the kitchens is horrendous, there is no hygiene, no separation of foods, no separate areas for meat and veg. There are not even separate utensils.

“I am denied fruit, fruit juice, most veg and anything that could constitute a balanced and nutritious diet. So I feel it better I do not eat. My hunger strike is a protest until I get an apology from the Governor.

“I was given cheese, chocolate, milk powder – all wrong. I complained and said I wished to have a proper Jain diet. They agreed and finally the day after agreeing, they fed me onions and potato crisps.”

Mr Martin said he believes that not providing him with the proper diet so he can effectively practise his religion is a breach of Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights, which provides a right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

He also believes he has had his food used as a punishment – which would come under Article 3 which prohibits “inhuman and degrading treatment and torture”.

A Prison Service spokesperson said: “We respect and cater for the dietary needs of prisoners. Food refusal is taken very seriously and healthcare staff in prisons monitor the physical and mental health of anyone refusing to eat.”

In 2011 the prison was praised by the Independent Monitoring Board for offering vegan options in the canteen.

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2:03pm Thu 31 Jul 14

calro75 says...

Interesting that this lowlife is in prison for conspiracy to commit murder yet one of the fundamental beliefs of Joining is non violence and not to harm any living thing. Glad he remembered the diet though. Let this dipstick starve.
Interesting that this lowlife is in prison for conspiracy to commit murder yet one of the fundamental beliefs of Joining is non violence and not to harm any living thing. Glad he remembered the diet though. Let this dipstick starve. calro75
  • Score: 28

2:03pm Thu 31 Jul 14

RottingdeanRant says...

So?
So? RottingdeanRant
  • Score: 11

2:05pm Thu 31 Jul 14

calro75 says...

Typo, sorry should say Jainism not joining.
Typo, sorry should say Jainism not joining. calro75
  • Score: 9

2:12pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Adrien Bischoff-Dyson says...

Firstly, calro75, does it not occur to you that Graham might have been trying to rid the world of an animal abuser, the lowest form of human there is? Whilst this does indeed go against Jainism it is certainly justifiable to hardcore vegans, and vegan principles outweigh everything else.
Secondly, not giving Graham proper vegan food and drink is indeed a breach of his basic human rights. And it is yet another example of how behind the times some prisons are. vegan food and drink should be available in all prisons all the time.
Firstly, calro75, does it not occur to you that Graham might have been trying to rid the world of an animal abuser, the lowest form of human there is? Whilst this does indeed go against Jainism it is certainly justifiable to hardcore vegans, and vegan principles outweigh everything else. Secondly, not giving Graham proper vegan food and drink is indeed a breach of his basic human rights. And it is yet another example of how behind the times some prisons are. vegan food and drink should be available in all prisons all the time. Adrien Bischoff-Dyson
  • Score: -33

2:26pm Thu 31 Jul 14

calro75 says...

Adrien Bischoff-Dyson wrote:
Firstly, calro75, does it not occur to you that Graham might have been trying to rid the world of an animal abuser, the lowest form of human there is? Whilst this does indeed go against Jainism it is certainly justifiable to hardcore vegans, and vegan principles outweigh everything else.
Secondly, not giving Graham proper vegan food and drink is indeed a breach of his basic human rights. And it is yet another example of how behind the times some prisons are. vegan food and drink should be available in all prisons all the time.
You're making a bit of a jump there. I didn't read anywhere about him trying to rid the world of an animal abuser, unless you know something I don't. So in theory he may well have committed a crime against an innocent. What about their human rights? I bet if I we're that person reading this I wouldn't feel much sympathy. Also, why bring religion in to it, he clearly doesn't follow Jainism, he's basically trying to use this excuse to strengthen his argument. He's a vegan and that's all there is to it. Life's tough sometimes with or without human rights.
[quote][p][bold]Adrien Bischoff-Dyson[/bold] wrote: Firstly, calro75, does it not occur to you that Graham might have been trying to rid the world of an animal abuser, the lowest form of human there is? Whilst this does indeed go against Jainism it is certainly justifiable to hardcore vegans, and vegan principles outweigh everything else. Secondly, not giving Graham proper vegan food and drink is indeed a breach of his basic human rights. And it is yet another example of how behind the times some prisons are. vegan food and drink should be available in all prisons all the time.[/p][/quote]You're making a bit of a jump there. I didn't read anywhere about him trying to rid the world of an animal abuser, unless you know something I don't. So in theory he may well have committed a crime against an innocent. What about their human rights? I bet if I we're that person reading this I wouldn't feel much sympathy. Also, why bring religion in to it, he clearly doesn't follow Jainism, he's basically trying to use this excuse to strengthen his argument. He's a vegan and that's all there is to it. Life's tough sometimes with or without human rights. calro75
  • Score: 17

3:29pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Youlikemyjugs says...

It beggars belief. Shove a marrow up his **** and push 5 onions down his throat and let him enjoy his vegan diet.

That's my solution, anyway.
It beggars belief. Shove a marrow up his **** and push 5 onions down his throat and let him enjoy his vegan diet. That's my solution, anyway. Youlikemyjugs
  • Score: 18

3:48pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Enid Anderson says...

I find it astonishing that none of you understand what REMAND means. Graham is a personal friend of mine and a more gentle, kind and pacific person you could not meet. A man whom he employed, and ultimately sacked for theft, implicated him in a crime that he himself had committed as revenge for the sacking after he was caught trying to escape to France.

Graham is indeed a Jainist - why do you doubt it? What other reason could he have for starving himself in a prison system that doesn't give a hoot what he does.

Please do not jump to conclusions - it is ignorant and stupid.
I find it astonishing that none of you understand what REMAND means. Graham is a personal friend of mine and a more gentle, kind and pacific person you could not meet. A man whom he employed, and ultimately sacked for theft, implicated him in a crime that he himself had committed as revenge for the sacking after he was caught trying to escape to France. Graham is indeed a Jainist - why do you doubt it? What other reason could he have for starving himself in a prison system that doesn't give a hoot what he does. Please do not jump to conclusions - it is ignorant and stupid. Enid Anderson
  • Score: 1

4:22pm Thu 31 Jul 14

calro75 says...

Enid Anderson wrote:
I find it astonishing that none of you understand what REMAND means. Graham is a personal friend of mine and a more gentle, kind and pacific person you could not meet. A man whom he employed, and ultimately sacked for theft, implicated him in a crime that he himself had committed as revenge for the sacking after he was caught trying to escape to France.

Graham is indeed a Jainist - why do you doubt it? What other reason could he have for starving himself in a prison system that doesn't give a hoot what he does.

Please do not jump to conclusions - it is ignorant and stupid.
Enid put yourself into the minds of the people who will read this article and you might understand the reaction. Most weeks there is some story in the papers about prisoners complaining. To most people this is just another one. If this man is truly innocent and facing a huge injustice then I can really sympathise. The fact is though the CPS felt there was more than enough evidence against him to put him on remand otherwise he'd be out on bail.
[quote][p][bold]Enid Anderson[/bold] wrote: I find it astonishing that none of you understand what REMAND means. Graham is a personal friend of mine and a more gentle, kind and pacific person you could not meet. A man whom he employed, and ultimately sacked for theft, implicated him in a crime that he himself had committed as revenge for the sacking after he was caught trying to escape to France. Graham is indeed a Jainist - why do you doubt it? What other reason could he have for starving himself in a prison system that doesn't give a hoot what he does. Please do not jump to conclusions - it is ignorant and stupid.[/p][/quote]Enid put yourself into the minds of the people who will read this article and you might understand the reaction. Most weeks there is some story in the papers about prisoners complaining. To most people this is just another one. If this man is truly innocent and facing a huge injustice then I can really sympathise. The fact is though the CPS felt there was more than enough evidence against him to put him on remand otherwise he'd be out on bail. calro75
  • Score: 9

4:24pm Thu 31 Jul 14

stevensavage says...

Enid Anderson wrote:
I find it astonishing that none of you understand what REMAND means. Graham is a personal friend of mine and a more gentle, kind and pacific person you could not meet. A man whom he employed, and ultimately sacked for theft, implicated him in a crime that he himself had committed as revenge for the sacking after he was caught trying to escape to France.

Graham is indeed a Jainist - why do you doubt it? What other reason could he have for starving himself in a prison system that doesn't give a hoot what he does.

Please do not jump to conclusions - it is ignorant and stupid.
is this why hes accused of conspiracy to murder.in prison they do have seperate utensils for different religions.the kitchens are a lot cleaner than they were 35 years ago.some people just play the system and no doubt he will be putting in for compensation at a later date
[quote][p][bold]Enid Anderson[/bold] wrote: I find it astonishing that none of you understand what REMAND means. Graham is a personal friend of mine and a more gentle, kind and pacific person you could not meet. A man whom he employed, and ultimately sacked for theft, implicated him in a crime that he himself had committed as revenge for the sacking after he was caught trying to escape to France. Graham is indeed a Jainist - why do you doubt it? What other reason could he have for starving himself in a prison system that doesn't give a hoot what he does. Please do not jump to conclusions - it is ignorant and stupid.[/p][/quote]is this why hes accused of conspiracy to murder.in prison they do have seperate utensils for different religions.the kitchens are a lot cleaner than they were 35 years ago.some people just play the system and no doubt he will be putting in for compensation at a later date stevensavage
  • Score: 9

5:25pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Goldenwight says...

Surely a strict Jainist diet would forbid the eating of potato crisps and onions- Jainists don't eat any crop which grows below ground for fear of harming animals such as earthworms living in the vegetable plots. Strict Jainists live on a diet of fruits, nuts and berries. Cheese (vegetarian only), chocolate and milk powder would however all be OK. Is he maybe confusing his religions and beliefs here?

I'm also rather curious as to how he knows so much about the kitchens- did he at some point work there? Working in a kitchen preparing prison meals would CERTAINLY be against strict Jainist principles.
Surely a strict Jainist diet would forbid the eating of potato crisps and onions- Jainists don't eat any crop which grows below ground for fear of harming animals such as earthworms living in the vegetable plots. Strict Jainists live on a diet of fruits, nuts and berries. Cheese (vegetarian only), chocolate and milk powder would however all be OK. Is he maybe confusing his religions and beliefs here? I'm also rather curious as to how he knows so much about the kitchens- did he at some point work there? Working in a kitchen preparing prison meals would CERTAINLY be against strict Jainist principles. Goldenwight
  • Score: 3

6:03pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Enid Anderson says...

calro75 wrote:
Enid Anderson wrote:
I find it astonishing that none of you understand what REMAND means. Graham is a personal friend of mine and a more gentle, kind and pacific person you could not meet. A man whom he employed, and ultimately sacked for theft, implicated him in a crime that he himself had committed as revenge for the sacking after he was caught trying to escape to France.

Graham is indeed a Jainist - why do you doubt it? What other reason could he have for starving himself in a prison system that doesn't give a hoot what he does.

Please do not jump to conclusions - it is ignorant and stupid.
Enid put yourself into the minds of the people who will read this article and you might understand the reaction. Most weeks there is some story in the papers about prisoners complaining. To most people this is just another one. If this man is truly innocent and facing a huge injustice then I can really sympathise. The fact is though the CPS felt there was more than enough evidence against him to put him on remand otherwise he'd be out on bail.
Thanks for the sympathetic hearing, calro75. The reason he is not out on bail is that he lives in France. Despite having volunteered to return to the UK himself when this blew up, the Authorities insisted on his going through an extradition procedure after having been arrested in France and held in Rennes prison for a number of weeks. Of course they will not allow bail.

At the same time, Graham suffers from a serious illness and both prisons have withheld his medicines. As a result he is going blind in one eye and the prison doctor blithely dismisses it as 'cataracts'. What - within a month? Unheard of.

It's just that the press prints what makes a good story in a certain number of words - and they have to give the prison the right of reply. The prison of course has said nothing germane to Graham's case - only issued an anodyne 'statement' of theoretical intent.

Just please, please do not treat all these stories at their face value. Graham has a great many friends who have been incredulous that this should have happened to someone like him, and we shall keep monitoring and fighting against this monstrous institutional treatment.
[quote][p][bold]calro75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enid Anderson[/bold] wrote: I find it astonishing that none of you understand what REMAND means. Graham is a personal friend of mine and a more gentle, kind and pacific person you could not meet. A man whom he employed, and ultimately sacked for theft, implicated him in a crime that he himself had committed as revenge for the sacking after he was caught trying to escape to France. Graham is indeed a Jainist - why do you doubt it? What other reason could he have for starving himself in a prison system that doesn't give a hoot what he does. Please do not jump to conclusions - it is ignorant and stupid.[/p][/quote]Enid put yourself into the minds of the people who will read this article and you might understand the reaction. Most weeks there is some story in the papers about prisoners complaining. To most people this is just another one. If this man is truly innocent and facing a huge injustice then I can really sympathise. The fact is though the CPS felt there was more than enough evidence against him to put him on remand otherwise he'd be out on bail.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the sympathetic hearing, calro75. The reason he is not out on bail is that he lives in France. Despite having volunteered to return to the UK himself when this blew up, the Authorities insisted on his going through an extradition procedure after having been arrested in France and held in Rennes prison for a number of weeks. Of course they will not allow bail. At the same time, Graham suffers from a serious illness and both prisons have withheld his medicines. As a result he is going blind in one eye and the prison doctor blithely dismisses it as 'cataracts'. What - within a month? Unheard of. It's just that the press prints what makes a good story in a certain number of words - and they have to give the prison the right of reply. The prison of course has said nothing germane to Graham's case - only issued an anodyne 'statement' of theoretical intent. Just please, please do not treat all these stories at their face value. Graham has a great many friends who have been incredulous that this should have happened to someone like him, and we shall keep monitoring and fighting against this monstrous institutional treatment. Enid Anderson
  • Score: 4

6:10pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Enid Anderson says...

Goldenwight wrote:
Surely a strict Jainist diet would forbid the eating of potato crisps and onions- Jainists don't eat any crop which grows below ground for fear of harming animals such as earthworms living in the vegetable plots. Strict Jainists live on a diet of fruits, nuts and berries. Cheese (vegetarian only), chocolate and milk powder would however all be OK. Is he maybe confusing his religions and beliefs here?

I'm also rather curious as to how he knows so much about the kitchens- did he at some point work there? Working in a kitchen preparing prison meals would CERTAINLY be against strict Jainist principles.
That is why he has not eaten for 20 days.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Surely a strict Jainist diet would forbid the eating of potato crisps and onions- Jainists don't eat any crop which grows below ground for fear of harming animals such as earthworms living in the vegetable plots. Strict Jainists live on a diet of fruits, nuts and berries. Cheese (vegetarian only), chocolate and milk powder would however all be OK. Is he maybe confusing his religions and beliefs here? I'm also rather curious as to how he knows so much about the kitchens- did he at some point work there? Working in a kitchen preparing prison meals would CERTAINLY be against strict Jainist principles.[/p][/quote]That is why he has not eaten for 20 days. Enid Anderson
  • Score: 4

6:13pm Thu 31 Jul 14

John9000 says...

1, Better and wiser minds than you or I have decided that prisoners are to be provided with the diet that fits their religions requirements. 2, the prison doesn't look like it's complying with these rules. 3, this man is completely innocent with no stain on his character whatsoever at this time. It's not rocket science.
1, Better and wiser minds than you or I have decided that prisoners are to be provided with the diet that fits their religions requirements. 2, the prison doesn't look like it's complying with these rules. 3, this man is completely innocent with no stain on his character whatsoever at this time. It's not rocket science. John9000
  • Score: 3

6:54pm Thu 31 Jul 14

calro75 says...

Enid Anderson wrote:
calro75 wrote:
Enid Anderson wrote:
I find it astonishing that none of you understand what REMAND means. Graham is a personal friend of mine and a more gentle, kind and pacific person you could not meet. A man whom he employed, and ultimately sacked for theft, implicated him in a crime that he himself had committed as revenge for the sacking after he was caught trying to escape to France.

Graham is indeed a Jainist - why do you doubt it? What other reason could he have for starving himself in a prison system that doesn't give a hoot what he does.

Please do not jump to conclusions - it is ignorant and stupid.
Enid put yourself into the minds of the people who will read this article and you might understand the reaction. Most weeks there is some story in the papers about prisoners complaining. To most people this is just another one. If this man is truly innocent and facing a huge injustice then I can really sympathise. The fact is though the CPS felt there was more than enough evidence against him to put him on remand otherwise he'd be out on bail.
Thanks for the sympathetic hearing, calro75. The reason he is not out on bail is that he lives in France. Despite having volunteered to return to the UK himself when this blew up, the Authorities insisted on his going through an extradition procedure after having been arrested in France and held in Rennes prison for a number of weeks. Of course they will not allow bail.

At the same time, Graham suffers from a serious illness and both prisons have withheld his medicines. As a result he is going blind in one eye and the prison doctor blithely dismisses it as 'cataracts'. What - within a month? Unheard of.

It's just that the press prints what makes a good story in a certain number of words - and they have to give the prison the right of reply. The prison of course has said nothing germane to Graham's case - only issued an anodyne 'statement' of theoretical intent.

Just please, please do not treat all these stories at their face value. Graham has a great many friends who have been incredulous that this should have happened to someone like him, and we shall keep monitoring and fighting against this monstrous institutional treatment.
I think I'd be writing an angry letter to the paper, if it were me. Maybe your comments will hopefully give more people a better insight into the case. The story just puts things in a very bad light. There are far too many sensationalised stories in the papers these days concerning prisoners and I believe too many people are just fed up with hearing about it. I don't think this story has done your friend any favours. By the way I'm generally a very level headed, straight forward person who tries to see stories from both sides. I just hate it when others blatantly try to manipulate the system to their own ends. Though on this occasion this may well not be the case. Eating humble pie. Hope he manages to get the right outcome in the end.
[quote][p][bold]Enid Anderson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]calro75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enid Anderson[/bold] wrote: I find it astonishing that none of you understand what REMAND means. Graham is a personal friend of mine and a more gentle, kind and pacific person you could not meet. A man whom he employed, and ultimately sacked for theft, implicated him in a crime that he himself had committed as revenge for the sacking after he was caught trying to escape to France. Graham is indeed a Jainist - why do you doubt it? What other reason could he have for starving himself in a prison system that doesn't give a hoot what he does. Please do not jump to conclusions - it is ignorant and stupid.[/p][/quote]Enid put yourself into the minds of the people who will read this article and you might understand the reaction. Most weeks there is some story in the papers about prisoners complaining. To most people this is just another one. If this man is truly innocent and facing a huge injustice then I can really sympathise. The fact is though the CPS felt there was more than enough evidence against him to put him on remand otherwise he'd be out on bail.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the sympathetic hearing, calro75. The reason he is not out on bail is that he lives in France. Despite having volunteered to return to the UK himself when this blew up, the Authorities insisted on his going through an extradition procedure after having been arrested in France and held in Rennes prison for a number of weeks. Of course they will not allow bail. At the same time, Graham suffers from a serious illness and both prisons have withheld his medicines. As a result he is going blind in one eye and the prison doctor blithely dismisses it as 'cataracts'. What - within a month? Unheard of. It's just that the press prints what makes a good story in a certain number of words - and they have to give the prison the right of reply. The prison of course has said nothing germane to Graham's case - only issued an anodyne 'statement' of theoretical intent. Just please, please do not treat all these stories at their face value. Graham has a great many friends who have been incredulous that this should have happened to someone like him, and we shall keep monitoring and fighting against this monstrous institutional treatment.[/p][/quote]I think I'd be writing an angry letter to the paper, if it were me. Maybe your comments will hopefully give more people a better insight into the case. The story just puts things in a very bad light. There are far too many sensationalised stories in the papers these days concerning prisoners and I believe too many people are just fed up with hearing about it. I don't think this story has done your friend any favours. By the way I'm generally a very level headed, straight forward person who tries to see stories from both sides. I just hate it when others blatantly try to manipulate the system to their own ends. Though on this occasion this may well not be the case. Eating humble pie. Hope he manages to get the right outcome in the end. calro75
  • Score: 2

6:58pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Youlikemyjugs says...

Well, we shall see...
Well, we shall see... Youlikemyjugs
  • Score: 2

8:08pm Thu 31 Jul 14

stevensavage says...

calro75 wrote:
Enid Anderson wrote:
calro75 wrote:
Enid Anderson wrote:
I find it astonishing that none of you understand what REMAND means. Graham is a personal friend of mine and a more gentle, kind and pacific person you could not meet. A man whom he employed, and ultimately sacked for theft, implicated him in a crime that he himself had committed as revenge for the sacking after he was caught trying to escape to France.

Graham is indeed a Jainist - why do you doubt it? What other reason could he have for starving himself in a prison system that doesn't give a hoot what he does.

Please do not jump to conclusions - it is ignorant and stupid.
Enid put yourself into the minds of the people who will read this article and you might understand the reaction. Most weeks there is some story in the papers about prisoners complaining. To most people this is just another one. If this man is truly innocent and facing a huge injustice then I can really sympathise. The fact is though the CPS felt there was more than enough evidence against him to put him on remand otherwise he'd be out on bail.
Thanks for the sympathetic hearing, calro75. The reason he is not out on bail is that he lives in France. Despite having volunteered to return to the UK himself when this blew up, the Authorities insisted on his going through an extradition procedure after having been arrested in France and held in Rennes prison for a number of weeks. Of course they will not allow bail.

At the same time, Graham suffers from a serious illness and both prisons have withheld his medicines. As a result he is going blind in one eye and the prison doctor blithely dismisses it as 'cataracts'. What - within a month? Unheard of.

It's just that the press prints what makes a good story in a certain number of words - and they have to give the prison the right of reply. The prison of course has said nothing germane to Graham's case - only issued an anodyne 'statement' of theoretical intent.

Just please, please do not treat all these stories at their face value. Graham has a great many friends who have been incredulous that this should have happened to someone like him, and we shall keep monitoring and fighting against this monstrous institutional treatment.
I think I'd be writing an angry letter to the paper, if it were me. Maybe your comments will hopefully give more people a better insight into the case. The story just puts things in a very bad light. There are far too many sensationalised stories in the papers these days concerning prisoners and I believe too many people are just fed up with hearing about it. I don't think this story has done your friend any favours. By the way I'm generally a very level headed, straight forward person who tries to see stories from both sides. I just hate it when others blatantly try to manipulate the system to their own ends. Though on this occasion this may well not be the case. Eating humble pie. Hope he manages to get the right outcome in the end.
calro 75, you must not be of this religeon as i dont think they eat humble pie
[quote][p][bold]calro75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enid Anderson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]calro75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enid Anderson[/bold] wrote: I find it astonishing that none of you understand what REMAND means. Graham is a personal friend of mine and a more gentle, kind and pacific person you could not meet. A man whom he employed, and ultimately sacked for theft, implicated him in a crime that he himself had committed as revenge for the sacking after he was caught trying to escape to France. Graham is indeed a Jainist - why do you doubt it? What other reason could he have for starving himself in a prison system that doesn't give a hoot what he does. Please do not jump to conclusions - it is ignorant and stupid.[/p][/quote]Enid put yourself into the minds of the people who will read this article and you might understand the reaction. Most weeks there is some story in the papers about prisoners complaining. To most people this is just another one. If this man is truly innocent and facing a huge injustice then I can really sympathise. The fact is though the CPS felt there was more than enough evidence against him to put him on remand otherwise he'd be out on bail.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the sympathetic hearing, calro75. The reason he is not out on bail is that he lives in France. Despite having volunteered to return to the UK himself when this blew up, the Authorities insisted on his going through an extradition procedure after having been arrested in France and held in Rennes prison for a number of weeks. Of course they will not allow bail. At the same time, Graham suffers from a serious illness and both prisons have withheld his medicines. As a result he is going blind in one eye and the prison doctor blithely dismisses it as 'cataracts'. What - within a month? Unheard of. It's just that the press prints what makes a good story in a certain number of words - and they have to give the prison the right of reply. The prison of course has said nothing germane to Graham's case - only issued an anodyne 'statement' of theoretical intent. Just please, please do not treat all these stories at their face value. Graham has a great many friends who have been incredulous that this should have happened to someone like him, and we shall keep monitoring and fighting against this monstrous institutional treatment.[/p][/quote]I think I'd be writing an angry letter to the paper, if it were me. Maybe your comments will hopefully give more people a better insight into the case. The story just puts things in a very bad light. There are far too many sensationalised stories in the papers these days concerning prisoners and I believe too many people are just fed up with hearing about it. I don't think this story has done your friend any favours. By the way I'm generally a very level headed, straight forward person who tries to see stories from both sides. I just hate it when others blatantly try to manipulate the system to their own ends. Though on this occasion this may well not be the case. Eating humble pie. Hope he manages to get the right outcome in the end.[/p][/quote]calro 75, you must not be of this religeon as i dont think they eat humble pie stevensavage
  • Score: 4

8:57am Fri 1 Aug 14

Enid Anderson says...

calro75 wrote:
Enid Anderson wrote:
calro75 wrote:
Enid Anderson wrote:
I find it astonishing that none of you understand what REMAND means. Graham is a personal friend of mine and a more gentle, kind and pacific person you could not meet. A man whom he employed, and ultimately sacked for theft, implicated him in a crime that he himself had committed as revenge for the sacking after he was caught trying to escape to France.

Graham is indeed a Jainist - why do you doubt it? What other reason could he have for starving himself in a prison system that doesn't give a hoot what he does.

Please do not jump to conclusions - it is ignorant and stupid.
Enid put yourself into the minds of the people who will read this article and you might understand the reaction. Most weeks there is some story in the papers about prisoners complaining. To most people this is just another one. If this man is truly innocent and facing a huge injustice then I can really sympathise. The fact is though the CPS felt there was more than enough evidence against him to put him on remand otherwise he'd be out on bail.
Thanks for the sympathetic hearing, calro75. The reason he is not out on bail is that he lives in France. Despite having volunteered to return to the UK himself when this blew up, the Authorities insisted on his going through an extradition procedure after having been arrested in France and held in Rennes prison for a number of weeks. Of course they will not allow bail.

At the same time, Graham suffers from a serious illness and both prisons have withheld his medicines. As a result he is going blind in one eye and the prison doctor blithely dismisses it as 'cataracts'. What - within a month? Unheard of.

It's just that the press prints what makes a good story in a certain number of words - and they have to give the prison the right of reply. The prison of course has said nothing germane to Graham's case - only issued an anodyne 'statement' of theoretical intent.

Just please, please do not treat all these stories at their face value. Graham has a great many friends who have been incredulous that this should have happened to someone like him, and we shall keep monitoring and fighting against this monstrous institutional treatment.
I think I'd be writing an angry letter to the paper, if it were me. Maybe your comments will hopefully give more people a better insight into the case. The story just puts things in a very bad light. There are far too many sensationalised stories in the papers these days concerning prisoners and I believe too many people are just fed up with hearing about it. I don't think this story has done your friend any favours. By the way I'm generally a very level headed, straight forward person who tries to see stories from both sides. I just hate it when others blatantly try to manipulate the system to their own ends. Though on this occasion this may well not be the case. Eating humble pie. Hope he manages to get the right outcome in the end.
That is why I am delighted to have to opportunity to comment on this story. I spoke to the journalist in the first place and I understand why she has written the piece the way she has. It's an imperative. But I have a forum here to be able to expand on the story in ways that would not make 'news'.

As Graham's friends, we are very concerned that this can happen to him on the say-so of a known criminal and are even more concerned that he may be caught up in the aspect of law called 'Joint Enterprise'.

In any case - he is innocent until and if a court can give evidence to show that he is not. That should not give the prison service the right to withhold food and medication from him, to 'disappear' communications from his family and lawyer and to invade the privacy between him and his lawyer. Parcels of books have not been delivered to him even though they were sent registered.

This is meant to be a 'civilised' country.
[quote][p][bold]calro75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enid Anderson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]calro75[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Enid Anderson[/bold] wrote: I find it astonishing that none of you understand what REMAND means. Graham is a personal friend of mine and a more gentle, kind and pacific person you could not meet. A man whom he employed, and ultimately sacked for theft, implicated him in a crime that he himself had committed as revenge for the sacking after he was caught trying to escape to France. Graham is indeed a Jainist - why do you doubt it? What other reason could he have for starving himself in a prison system that doesn't give a hoot what he does. Please do not jump to conclusions - it is ignorant and stupid.[/p][/quote]Enid put yourself into the minds of the people who will read this article and you might understand the reaction. Most weeks there is some story in the papers about prisoners complaining. To most people this is just another one. If this man is truly innocent and facing a huge injustice then I can really sympathise. The fact is though the CPS felt there was more than enough evidence against him to put him on remand otherwise he'd be out on bail.[/p][/quote]Thanks for the sympathetic hearing, calro75. The reason he is not out on bail is that he lives in France. Despite having volunteered to return to the UK himself when this blew up, the Authorities insisted on his going through an extradition procedure after having been arrested in France and held in Rennes prison for a number of weeks. Of course they will not allow bail. At the same time, Graham suffers from a serious illness and both prisons have withheld his medicines. As a result he is going blind in one eye and the prison doctor blithely dismisses it as 'cataracts'. What - within a month? Unheard of. It's just that the press prints what makes a good story in a certain number of words - and they have to give the prison the right of reply. The prison of course has said nothing germane to Graham's case - only issued an anodyne 'statement' of theoretical intent. Just please, please do not treat all these stories at their face value. Graham has a great many friends who have been incredulous that this should have happened to someone like him, and we shall keep monitoring and fighting against this monstrous institutional treatment.[/p][/quote]I think I'd be writing an angry letter to the paper, if it were me. Maybe your comments will hopefully give more people a better insight into the case. The story just puts things in a very bad light. There are far too many sensationalised stories in the papers these days concerning prisoners and I believe too many people are just fed up with hearing about it. I don't think this story has done your friend any favours. By the way I'm generally a very level headed, straight forward person who tries to see stories from both sides. I just hate it when others blatantly try to manipulate the system to their own ends. Though on this occasion this may well not be the case. Eating humble pie. Hope he manages to get the right outcome in the end.[/p][/quote]That is why I am delighted to have to opportunity to comment on this story. I spoke to the journalist in the first place and I understand why she has written the piece the way she has. It's an imperative. But I have a forum here to be able to expand on the story in ways that would not make 'news'. As Graham's friends, we are very concerned that this can happen to him on the say-so of a known criminal and are even more concerned that he may be caught up in the aspect of law called 'Joint Enterprise'. In any case - he is innocent until and if a court can give evidence to show that he is not. That should not give the prison service the right to withhold food and medication from him, to 'disappear' communications from his family and lawyer and to invade the privacy between him and his lawyer. Parcels of books have not been delivered to him even though they were sent registered. This is meant to be a 'civilised' country. Enid Anderson
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12:33pm Fri 1 Aug 14

Cave Johnson says...

Interesting that the argus publishes the story in this way. I doubt they would have taken the same line if a muslim had his rights curtailed like this. And shame on the commentors who have already convicted him.
Interesting that the argus publishes the story in this way. I doubt they would have taken the same line if a muslim had his rights curtailed like this. And shame on the commentors who have already convicted him. Cave Johnson
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3:00pm Fri 1 Aug 14

just-a-person says...

Goldenwight wrote:
Surely a strict Jainist diet would forbid the eating of potato crisps and onions- Jainists don't eat any crop which grows below ground for fear of harming animals such as earthworms living in the vegetable plots. Strict Jainists live on a diet of fruits, nuts and berries. Cheese (vegetarian only), chocolate and milk powder would however all be OK. Is he maybe confusing his religions and beliefs here?

I'm also rather curious as to how he knows so much about the kitchens- did he at some point work there? Working in a kitchen preparing prison meals would CERTAINLY be against strict Jainist principles.
I'm sure an apple falling from the tree can kills a creature so best all round if he stops eating or moving then he won't tread on a wiggly worm either.
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Surely a strict Jainist diet would forbid the eating of potato crisps and onions- Jainists don't eat any crop which grows below ground for fear of harming animals such as earthworms living in the vegetable plots. Strict Jainists live on a diet of fruits, nuts and berries. Cheese (vegetarian only), chocolate and milk powder would however all be OK. Is he maybe confusing his religions and beliefs here? I'm also rather curious as to how he knows so much about the kitchens- did he at some point work there? Working in a kitchen preparing prison meals would CERTAINLY be against strict Jainist principles.[/p][/quote]I'm sure an apple falling from the tree can kills a creature so best all round if he stops eating or moving then he won't tread on a wiggly worm either. just-a-person
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